Re: [kictanet] Yawe for Post Master General
Hi Robert, Thank you for a very well outlined vision. How I wish the appointing authority would give you an opportunity. Meanwhile,I choose to strongly disagree with Bwana PS in regard to the legacy issues he raised. Yawe's vision is comprised of income generating ideas e.g.Renting out banking hall space, Advertising, Selling airtime etc,very minimal resources are required and if anything the organisation would be assured of immediate returns.From the vision I also see numerous job opportunities being created through Ecomerce and the eventual door delivery of mail. Listers, I draw inspiration from how Hon Michuki transformed the public transport sector. He used the same staff his predecessors had used,no retraining,no retrenchment or work force overhaul;just a man who decided to bring sanity on the roads and sanity he brought. Similarly,it also took one man,same task force,same conditions,to undo all what had been done by Hon Michuki at Ministry of Transport. Again Hon Michuki moved to Min of Enviroment,we could have heard excuses of how much resources were needed to clean Nairobi river........................again the river got cleaned. Personally I believe its all dependent on the person at the top. Under our current situation I dont expect Yawe to immediately replace Maj Gen Hussein Ali but the least I would have expected is in the meantime Yawe be introduced to the Post Master General to share on how some of his ideas can be implemented as we wait for the resource and legacy issues to get resolved. Jane Kagiri kagirijane@yahoo.com Its impossible to build a tribute of success on a foundation of excuses.
Jane, You are right to some extent. Ministries do not have unlimited power over their parastatals. You recall as Hon. Michuki cleaned the Transport ministry, the Ports Authority was at the verge of collapse. There are intricacies in the running of state corporations that you are not aware of. They are managed by many agencies such as the State Corporations Advisory Council, Inspector General of State Corporations and not forgetting the unions. It is not as simple as you think. Several variables affect the way they operate. Comprehensive reforms may be necessary. Ndemo.
Hi Robert,
Thank you for a very well outlined vision. How I wish the appointing authority would give you an opportunity.
Meanwhile,I choose to strongly disagree with Bwana PS in regard to the legacy issues he raised.
Yawe's vision is comprised of income generating ideas e.g.Renting out banking hall space, Advertising, Selling airtime etc,very minimal resources are required and if anything the organisation would be assured of immediate returns.From the vision I also see numerous job opportunities being created through Ecomerce and the eventual door delivery of mail.
Listers, I draw inspiration from how Hon Michuki transformed the public transport sector. He used the same staff his predecessors had used,no retraining,no retrenchment or work force overhaul;just a man who decided to bring sanity on the roads and sanity he brought. Similarly,it also took one man,same task force,same conditions,to undo all what had been done by Hon Michuki at Ministry of Transport. Again Hon Michuki moved to Min of Enviroment,we could have heard excuses of how much resources were needed to clean Nairobi river........................again the river got cleaned.
Personally I believe its all dependent on the person at the top. Under our current situation I dont expect Yawe to immediately replace Maj Gen Hussein Ali but the least I would have expected is in the meantime Yawe be introduced to the Post Master General to share on how some of his ideas can be implemented as we wait for the resource and legacy issues to get resolved.
Jane Kagiri kagirijane@yahoo.com
Its impossible to build a tribute of success on a foundation of excuses.
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Dr. Ndemo, you are right that we are overdue for comprehensive reforms when it comes to how we run and manage our parastatals. However, I think that is exactly the kind of change that Yawe is proposing to bring about. I'm delighted that someone like Yawe who obviously has extensive experience in converging ICT with business, can be bold enough to stand up and say I can do it. Barack Obama in his book Dreams of My Father spoke about how leaders seeking the highest elective office must have an outsized ego. They must believe that they can do something better than everyone else, even if that something seems impossible. With Yawe, I can personally say that he has the brains, skills, motivation and ego to meet the challenges of being the post-master general. Look forward to your appointment Yawe. With Kind Regards, Harry Karanja Senior Consultant, EVA Eva - The Executive Virtual Assistant who saves you time and money, and increases your revenue by handling customer care, sales & marketing, website marketing, and appointments at an affordable monthly price. A service by Business Made Simple Genius Executive Centre. 15th Floor View Park Towers, Nairobi Kenya PO Box 40665 Nairobi 00100 Tel: +254-20-2321294 Mobile: +254-751-773-087 Email: sales@eva.co.ke | www.eva.co.ke Thank you for considering the environmental impact of printing emails. -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+kairo=softlaw.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kairo=softlaw.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 10:03 PM To: kairo@softlaw.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Yawe for Post Master General Jane, You are right to some extent. Ministries do not have unlimited power over their parastatals. You recall as Hon. Michuki cleaned the Transport ministry, the Ports Authority was at the verge of collapse. There are intricacies in the running of state corporations that you are not aware of. They are managed by many agencies such as the State Corporations Advisory Council, Inspector General of State Corporations and not forgetting the unions. It is not as simple as you think. Several variables affect the way they operate. Comprehensive reforms may be necessary. Ndemo.
Hi Robert,
Thank you for a very well outlined vision. How I wish the appointing authority would give you an opportunity.
Meanwhile,I choose to strongly disagree with Bwana PS in regard to the legacy issues he raised.
Yawe's vision is comprised of income generating ideas e.g.Renting out banking hall space, Advertising, Selling airtime etc,very minimal resources are required and if anything the organisation would be assured of immediate returns.From the vision I also see numerous job opportunities being created through Ecomerce and the eventual door delivery of mail.
Listers, I draw inspiration from how Hon Michuki transformed the public transport sector. He used the same staff his predecessors had used,no retraining,no retrenchment or work force overhaul;just a man who decided to bring sanity on the roads and sanity he brought. Similarly,it also took one man,same task force,same conditions,to undo all what had been done by Hon Michuki at Ministry of Transport. Again Hon Michuki moved to Min of Enviroment,we could have heard excuses of how much resources were needed to clean Nairobi river........................again the river got cleaned.
Personally I believe its all dependent on the person at the top. Under our current situation I dont expect Yawe to immediately replace Maj Gen Hussein Ali but the least I would have expected is in the meantime Yawe be introduced to the Post Master General to share on how some of his ideas can be implemented as we wait for the resource and legacy issues to get resolved.
Jane Kagiri kagirijane@yahoo.com
Its impossible to build a tribute of success on a foundation of excuses.
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Listers Talking of reforms. We have posted two Bills, that is the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya and the Independent Media Council, on www.information.go.ke. The two far reaching pieces of legislation were necessitated by the new Constitution. I need your input by mid January before we plan a major conference (the constitution requires comprehensive stakeholder participation before any policy proposal becomes law) in Mombasa. After we establish concesus the Bills will be sent to the Kenya Law Reform then Constitutional Implementation Committee then the AG's office and finally to Parliament. We will get another chance to view the Bills after the first reading in Parliament. The whole process is to take less than six months. The Freedom of Information and Data Protection Bills are making progress too and we shall keep you updated. Regards Ndemo.
Dr. Ndemo, you are right that we are overdue for comprehensive reforms when it comes to how we run and manage our parastatals.
However, I think that is exactly the kind of change that Yawe is proposing to bring about. I'm delighted that someone like Yawe who obviously has extensive experience in converging ICT with business, can be bold enough to stand up and say I can do it. Barack Obama in his book Dreams of My Father spoke about how leaders seeking the highest elective office must have an outsized ego. They must believe that they can do something better than everyone else, even if that something seems impossible. With Yawe, I can personally say that he has the brains, skills, motivation and ego to meet the challenges of being the post-master general.
Look forward to your appointment Yawe.
With Kind Regards, Harry Karanja Senior Consultant, EVA
Eva - The Executive Virtual Assistant who saves you time and money, and increases your revenue by handling customer care, sales & marketing, website marketing, and appointments at an affordable monthly price. A service by Business Made Simple Genius Executive Centre. 15th Floor View Park Towers, Nairobi Kenya PO Box 40665 Nairobi 00100 Tel: +254-20-2321294 Mobile: +254-751-773-087 Email: sales@eva.co.ke | www.eva.co.ke ï Thank you for considering the environmental impact of printing emails.
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Jane, You are right to some extent. Ministries do not have unlimited power over their parastatals. You recall as Hon. Michuki cleaned the Transport ministry, the Ports Authority was at the verge of collapse. There are intricacies in the running of state corporations that you are not aware of. They are managed by many agencies such as the State Corporations Advisory Council, Inspector General of State Corporations and not forgetting the unions. It is not as simple as you think. Several variables affect the way they operate. Comprehensive reforms may be necessary.
Ndemo.
Hi Robert,
Thank you for a very well outlined vision. How I wish the appointing authority would give you an opportunity.
Meanwhile,I choose to strongly disagree with Bwana PS in regard to the legacy issues he raised.
Yawe's vision is comprised of income generating ideas e.g.Renting out banking hall space, Advertising, Selling airtime etc,very minimal resources are required and if anything the organisation would be assured of immediate returns.From the vision I also see numerous job opportunities being created through Ecomerce and the eventual door delivery of mail.
Listers, I draw inspiration from how Hon Michuki transformed the public transport sector. He used the same staff his predecessors had used,no retraining,no retrenchment or work force overhaul;just a man who decided to bring sanity on the roads and sanity he brought. Similarly,it also took one man,same task force,same conditions,to undo all what had been done by Hon Michuki at Ministry of Transport. Again Hon Michuki moved to Min of Enviroment,we could have heard excuses of how much resources were needed to clean Nairobi river........................again the river got cleaned.
Personally I believe its all dependent on the person at the top. Under our current situation I dont expect Yawe to immediately replace Maj Gen Hussein Ali but the least I would have expected is in the meantime Yawe be introduced to the Post Master General to share on how some of his ideas can be implemented as we wait for the resource and legacy issues to get resolved.
Jane Kagiri kagirijane@yahoo.com
Its impossible to build a tribute of success on a foundation of excuses.
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Dr. Ndemo, thanks for bringing this matter to the fore. Stakeholders' participation is the only thing that will bring the much needed reforms as required by the constitution. I've got to download the bills and add my input. Thank you, again On 16 November 2010 16:54, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Listers Talking of reforms. We have posted two Bills, that is the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya and the Independent Media Council, on www.information.go.ke. The two far reaching pieces of legislation were necessitated by the new Constitution. I need your input by mid January before we plan a major conference (the constitution requires comprehensive stakeholder participation before any policy proposal becomes law) in Mombasa. After we establish concesus the Bills will be sent to the Kenya Law Reform then Constitutional Implementation Committee then the AG's office and finally to Parliament. We will get another chance to view the Bills after the first reading in Parliament. The whole process is to take less than six months.
The Freedom of Information and Data Protection Bills are making progress too and we shall keep you updated.
Regards
Ndemo.
Dr. Ndemo, you are right that we are overdue for comprehensive reforms when it comes to how we run and manage our parastatals.
However, I think that is exactly the kind of change that Yawe is proposing to bring about. I'm delighted that someone like Yawe who obviously has extensive experience in converging ICT with business, can be bold enough to stand up and say I can do it. Barack Obama in his book Dreams of My Father spoke about how leaders seeking the highest elective office must have an outsized ego. They must believe that they can do something better than everyone else, even if that something seems impossible. With Yawe, I can personally say that he has the brains, skills, motivation and ego to meet the challenges of being the post-master general.
Look forward to your appointment Yawe.
With Kind Regards, Harry Karanja Senior Consultant, EVA
Eva - The Executive Virtual Assistant who saves you time and money, and increases your revenue by handling customer care, sales & marketing, website marketing, and appointments at an affordable monthly price. A service by Business Made Simple Genius Executive Centre. 15th Floor View Park Towers, Nairobi Kenya PO Box 40665 Nairobi 00100 Tel: +254-20-2321294 Mobile: +254-751-773-087 Email: sales@eva.co.ke | www.eva.co.ke ï Thank you for considering the environmental impact of printing emails.
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Jane, You are right to some extent. Ministries do not have unlimited power over their parastatals. You recall as Hon. Michuki cleaned the Transport ministry, the Ports Authority was at the verge of collapse. There are intricacies in the running of state corporations that you are not aware of. They are managed by many agencies such as the State Corporations Advisory Council, Inspector General of State Corporations and not forgetting the unions. It is not as simple as you think. Several variables affect the way they operate. Comprehensive reforms may be necessary.
Ndemo.
Hi Robert,
Thank you for a very well outlined vision. How I wish the appointing authority would give you an opportunity.
Meanwhile,I choose to strongly disagree with Bwana PS in regard to the legacy issues he raised.
Yawe's vision is comprised of income generating ideas e.g.Renting out banking hall space, Advertising, Selling airtime etc,very minimal resources are required and if anything the organisation would be assured of immediate returns.From the vision I also see numerous job opportunities being created through Ecomerce and the eventual door delivery of mail.
Listers, I draw inspiration from how Hon Michuki transformed the public transport sector. He used the same staff his predecessors had used,no retraining,no retrenchment or work force overhaul;just a man who decided to bring sanity on the roads and sanity he brought. Similarly,it also took one man,same task force,same conditions,to undo all what had been done by Hon Michuki at Ministry of Transport. Again Hon Michuki moved to Min of Enviroment,we could have heard excuses of how much resources were needed to clean Nairobi river........................again the river got cleaned.
Personally I believe its all dependent on the person at the top. Under our current situation I dont expect Yawe to immediately replace Maj Gen Hussein Ali but the least I would have expected is in the meantime Yawe be introduced to the Post Master General to share on how some of his ideas can be implemented as we wait for the resource and legacy issues to get resolved.
Jane Kagiri kagirijane@yahoo.com
Its impossible to build a tribute of success on a foundation of excuses.
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Bwana Ndemo, This is "music to my ears". It's gratifying to see that citizens are now placed at the heart of policy-making in Kenya! Incidentally, we have just approved funding for a comprehensive study to review "the right to information and citizen participation in parliamentary affairs in Kenya" - we hope that the findings will inform the review of policies and standing orders to entrench citizen participation in parliament. Can we find more effective and less expensive ways of engaging citizens in policymaking processes, must it be Mombasa? why not a decent hall in the suburbs where ordinary Kenyans can also give their views? Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca ________________________________________ From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 16 November 2010 16:54 To: Edith Adera Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya Listers Talking of reforms. We have posted two Bills, that is the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya and the Independent Media Council, on www.information.go.ke. The two far reaching pieces of legislation were necessitated by the new Constitution. I need your input by mid January before we plan a major conference (the constitution requires comprehensive stakeholder participation before any policy proposal becomes law) in Mombasa. After we establish concesus the Bills will be sent to the Kenya Law Reform then Constitutional Implementation Committee then the AG's office and finally to Parliament. We will get another chance to view the Bills after the first reading in Parliament. The whole process is to take less than six months. The Freedom of Information and Data Protection Bills are making progress too and we shall keep you updated. Regards Ndemo.
Dr. Ndemo, you are right that we are overdue for comprehensive reforms when it comes to how we run and manage our parastatals.
However, I think that is exactly the kind of change that Yawe is proposing to bring about. I'm delighted that someone like Yawe who obviously has extensive experience in converging ICT with business, can be bold enough to stand up and say I can do it. Barack Obama in his book Dreams of My Father spoke about how leaders seeking the highest elective office must have an outsized ego. They must believe that they can do something better than everyone else, even if that something seems impossible. With Yawe, I can personally say that he has the brains, skills, motivation and ego to meet the challenges of being the post-master general.
Look forward to your appointment Yawe.
With Kind Regards, Harry Karanja Senior Consultant, EVA
Eva - The Executive Virtual Assistant who saves you time and money, and increases your revenue by handling customer care, sales & marketing, website marketing, and appointments at an affordable monthly price. A service by Business Made Simple Genius Executive Centre. 15th Floor View Park Towers, Nairobi Kenya PO Box 40665 Nairobi 00100 Tel: +254-20-2321294 Mobile: +254-751-773-087 Email: sales@eva.co.ke | www.eva.co.ke ï Thank you for considering the environmental impact of printing emails.
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Jane, You are right to some extent. Ministries do not have unlimited power over their parastatals. You recall as Hon. Michuki cleaned the Transport ministry, the Ports Authority was at the verge of collapse. There are intricacies in the running of state corporations that you are not aware of. They are managed by many agencies such as the State Corporations Advisory Council, Inspector General of State Corporations and not forgetting the unions. It is not as simple as you think. Several variables affect the way they operate. Comprehensive reforms may be necessary.
Ndemo.
Hi Robert,
Thank you for a very well outlined vision. How I wish the appointing authority would give you an opportunity.
Meanwhile,I choose to strongly disagree with Bwana PS in regard to the legacy issues he raised.
Yawe's vision is comprised of income generating ideas e.g.Renting out banking hall space, Advertising, Selling airtime etc,very minimal resources are required and if anything the organisation would be assured of immediate returns.From the vision I also see numerous job opportunities being created through Ecomerce and the eventual door delivery of mail.
Listers, I draw inspiration from how Hon Michuki transformed the public transport sector. He used the same staff his predecessors had used,no retraining,no retrenchment or work force overhaul;just a man who decided to bring sanity on the roads and sanity he brought. Similarly,it also took one man,same task force,same conditions,to undo all what had been done by Hon Michuki at Ministry of Transport. Again Hon Michuki moved to Min of Enviroment,we could have heard excuses of how much resources were needed to clean Nairobi river........................again the river got cleaned.
Personally I believe its all dependent on the person at the top. Under our current situation I dont expect Yawe to immediately replace Maj Gen Hussein Ali but the least I would have expected is in the meantime Yawe be introduced to the Post Master General to share on how some of his ideas can be implemented as we wait for the resource and legacy issues to get resolved.
Jane Kagiri kagirijane@yahoo.com
Its impossible to build a tribute of success on a foundation of excuses.
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I second Edith, let us have the consultations at Bomas or other hall(s) in the suburbs of Nairobi. We need to move away from the expensive 'default setting' of having all policy discussions at the Sun-and-Sand Beach Resort. *Participation via SMS, web and other modes should be admissible this time round.* Wainaina On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Bwana Ndemo,
This is "music to my ears". It's gratifying to see that citizens are now placed at the heart of policy-making in Kenya!
Incidentally, we have just approved funding for a comprehensive study to review "the right to information and citizen participation in parliamentary affairs in Kenya" - we hope that the findings will inform the review of policies and standing orders to entrench citizen participation in parliament.
Can we find more effective and less expensive ways of engaging citizens in policymaking processes, must it be Mombasa? why not a decent hall in the suburbs where ordinary Kenyans can also give their views?
Edith
________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca ________________________________________ From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke[kictanet-bounces+eadera= idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke [ bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 16 November 2010 16:54 To: Edith Adera Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya
Listers Talking of reforms. We have posted two Bills, that is the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya and the Independent Media Council, on www.information.go.ke. The two far reaching pieces of legislation were necessitated by the new Constitution. I need your input by mid January before we plan a major conference (the constitution requires comprehensive stakeholder participation before any policy proposal becomes law) in Mombasa. After we establish concesus the Bills will be sent to the Kenya Law Reform then Constitutional Implementation Committee then the AG's office and finally to Parliament. We will get another chance to view the Bills after the first reading in Parliament. The whole process is to take less than six months.
The Freedom of Information and Data Protection Bills are making progress too and we shall keep you updated.
Regards
Ndemo.
Dr. Ndemo, you are right that we are overdue for comprehensive reforms when it comes to how we run and manage our parastatals.
However, I think that is exactly the kind of change that Yawe is proposing to bring about. I'm delighted that someone like Yawe who obviously has extensive experience in converging ICT with business, can be bold enough to stand up and say I can do it. Barack Obama in his book Dreams of My Father spoke about how leaders seeking the highest elective office must have an outsized ego. They must believe that they can do something better than everyone else, even if that something seems impossible. With Yawe, I can personally say that he has the brains, skills, motivation and ego to meet the challenges of being the post-master general.
Look forward to your appointment Yawe.
With Kind Regards, Harry Karanja Senior Consultant, EVA
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Jane, You are right to some extent. Ministries do not have unlimited power over their parastatals. You recall as Hon. Michuki cleaned the Transport ministry, the Ports Authority was at the verge of collapse. There are intricacies in the running of state corporations that you are not aware of. They are managed by many agencies such as the State Corporations Advisory Council, Inspector General of State Corporations and not forgetting the unions. It is not as simple as you think. Several variables affect the way they operate. Comprehensive reforms may be necessary.
Ndemo.
Hi Robert,
Thank you for a very well outlined vision. How I wish the appointing authority would give you an opportunity.
Meanwhile,I choose to strongly disagree with Bwana PS in regard to the legacy issues he raised.
Yawe's vision is comprised of income generating ideas e.g.Renting out banking hall space, Advertising, Selling airtime etc,very minimal resources are required and if anything the organisation would be assured of immediate returns.From the vision I also see numerous job opportunities being created through Ecomerce and the eventual door delivery of mail.
Listers, I draw inspiration from how Hon Michuki transformed the public transport sector. He used the same staff his predecessors had used,no retraining,no retrenchment or work force overhaul;just a man who decided to bring sanity on the roads and sanity he brought. Similarly,it also took one man,same task force,same conditions,to undo all what had been done by Hon Michuki at Ministry of Transport. Again Hon Michuki moved to Min of Enviroment,we could have heard excuses of how much resources were needed to clean Nairobi river........................again the river got cleaned.
Personally I believe its all dependent on the person at the top. Under our current situation I dont expect Yawe to immediately replace Maj Gen Hussein Ali but the least I would have expected is in the meantime Yawe be introduced to the Post Master General to share on how some of his ideas can be implemented as we wait for the resource and legacy issues to get resolved.
Jane Kagiri kagirijane@yahoo.com
Its impossible to build a tribute of success on a foundation of excuses.
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And the irony is that thanks to modern communication technologies, the getting-away-from-everything-to-concentrate-on-work argument no longer applies: we all know that no matter where, delegates will still constantly play with their mobile phones and be distracted :) Andrea On 17 November 2010 03:46, Wainaina Mungai <wainaina.mungai@gmail.com>wrote:
I second Edith, let us have the consultations at Bomas or other hall(s) in the suburbs of Nairobi. We need to move away from the expensive 'default setting' of having all policy discussions at the Sun-and-Sand Beach Resort.
*Participation via SMS, web and other modes should be admissible this time round.*
Wainaina
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Bwana Ndemo,
This is "music to my ears". It's gratifying to see that citizens are now placed at the heart of policy-making in Kenya!
Incidentally, we have just approved funding for a comprehensive study to review "the right to information and citizen participation in parliamentary affairs in Kenya" - we hope that the findings will inform the review of policies and standing orders to entrench citizen participation in parliament.
Can we find more effective and less expensive ways of engaging citizens in policymaking processes, must it be Mombasa? why not a decent hall in the suburbs where ordinary Kenyans can also give their views?
Edith
________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca ________________________________________ From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke[kictanet-bounces+eadera= idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke [ bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 16 November 2010 16:54 To: Edith Adera Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya
Listers Talking of reforms. We have posted two Bills, that is the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya and the Independent Media Council, on www.information.go.ke. The two far reaching pieces of legislation were necessitated by the new Constitution. I need your input by mid January before we plan a major conference (the constitution requires comprehensive stakeholder participation before any policy proposal becomes law) in Mombasa. After we establish concesus the Bills will be sent to the Kenya Law Reform then Constitutional Implementation Committee then the AG's office and finally to Parliament. We will get another chance to view the Bills after the first reading in Parliament. The whole process is to take less than six months.
The Freedom of Information and Data Protection Bills are making progress too and we shall keep you updated.
Regards
Ndemo.
Dr. Ndemo, you are right that we are overdue for comprehensive reforms when it comes to how we run and manage our parastatals.
However, I think that is exactly the kind of change that Yawe is proposing to bring about. I'm delighted that someone like Yawe who obviously has extensive experience in converging ICT with business, can be bold enough to stand up and say I can do it. Barack Obama in his book Dreams of My Father spoke about how leaders seeking the highest elective office must have an outsized ego. They must believe that they can do something better than everyone else, even if that something seems impossible. With Yawe, I can personally say that he has the brains, skills, motivation and ego to meet the challenges of being the post-master general.
Look forward to your appointment Yawe.
With Kind Regards, Harry Karanja Senior Consultant, EVA
Eva - The Executive Virtual Assistant who saves you time and money, and increases your revenue by handling customer care, sales & marketing, website marketing, and appointments at an affordable monthly price. A service by Business Made Simple Genius Executive Centre. 15th Floor View Park Towers, Nairobi Kenya PO Box 40665 Nairobi 00100 Tel: +254-20-2321294 Mobile: +254-751-773-087 Email: sales@eva.co.ke | www.eva.co.ke ï Thank you for considering the environmental impact of printing emails.
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Jane, You are right to some extent. Ministries do not have unlimited power over their parastatals. You recall as Hon. Michuki cleaned the Transport ministry, the Ports Authority was at the verge of collapse. There are intricacies in the running of state corporations that you are not aware of. They are managed by many agencies such as the State Corporations Advisory Council, Inspector General of State Corporations and not forgetting the unions. It is not as simple as you think. Several variables affect the way they operate. Comprehensive reforms may be necessary.
Ndemo.
Hi Robert,
Thank you for a very well outlined vision. How I wish the appointing authority would give you an opportunity.
Meanwhile,I choose to strongly disagree with Bwana PS in regard to the legacy issues he raised.
Yawe's vision is comprised of income generating ideas e.g.Renting out banking hall space, Advertising, Selling airtime etc,very minimal resources are required and if anything the organisation would be assured of immediate returns.From the vision I also see numerous job opportunities being created through Ecomerce and the eventual door delivery of mail.
Listers, I draw inspiration from how Hon Michuki transformed the public transport sector. He used the same staff his predecessors had used,no retraining,no retrenchment or work force overhaul;just a man who decided to bring sanity on the roads and sanity he brought. Similarly,it also took one man,same task force,same conditions,to undo all what had been done by Hon Michuki at Ministry of Transport. Again Hon Michuki moved to Min of Enviroment,we could have heard excuses of how much resources were needed to clean Nairobi river........................again the river got cleaned.
Personally I believe its all dependent on the person at the top. Under our current situation I dont expect Yawe to immediately replace Maj Gen Hussein Ali but the least I would have expected is in the meantime Yawe be introduced to the Post Master General to share on how some of his ideas can be implemented as we wait for the resource and legacy issues to get resolved.
Jane Kagiri kagirijane@yahoo.com
Its impossible to build a tribute of success on a foundation of excuses.
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I have also asked the Kenya ICT Board to post this request via Facebook and Twitter to widen the stakeholder awareness. We have been active users of these channels to test ideas and direct audiences to our websites for a while, including to the Ministry website, www.information.go.ke. Kictanet should consider developing a Facebook ((Fan) page and Twitter account to broaden stakeholder input and test ideas and seek views beyond the safe core... The amount and quality of ICT discussions taking place on these media among Kenyans is very high and worth looking at. Asante.. Paul Kukubo Chief Executive Officer, Kenya ICT Board PO Box 27150 - 00100 Nairobi, Kenya 12th Floor, Teleposta Towers Koinange Street Tel +254 20 2089061, +254 20 2211960 Fax: +254 20 2211962 website: www.ict.go.ke local content project: www.tandaa.co.ke, www.facebook.com/tandaakenya twitter:@tandaaKENYA BPO Project: www. doitinkenya.co.ke Digital Villages Project: www.pasha.co.ke personal contacts _______________ Cell: + 254 717 180001 skype: kukubopaul googletalk: pkukubo personal blog: www.paulkukubo.co.ke personal twitter: @pkukubo ____________________ Vision: Kenya becomes a top ten global ICT hub Mission: To champion and actively enable Kenya to adopt and exploit ICT, through promotion of partnerships, investments and infrastructure growth for socio economic enrichment On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 3:46 AM, Wainaina Mungai <wainaina.mungai@gmail.com>wrote:
I second Edith, let us have the consultations at Bomas or other hall(s) in the suburbs of Nairobi. We need to move away from the expensive 'default setting' of having all policy discussions at the Sun-and-Sand Beach Resort.
*Participation via SMS, web and other modes should be admissible this time round.*
Wainaina
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Bwana Ndemo,
This is "music to my ears". It's gratifying to see that citizens are now placed at the heart of policy-making in Kenya!
Incidentally, we have just approved funding for a comprehensive study to review "the right to information and citizen participation in parliamentary affairs in Kenya" - we hope that the findings will inform the review of policies and standing orders to entrench citizen participation in parliament.
Can we find more effective and less expensive ways of engaging citizens in policymaking processes, must it be Mombasa? why not a decent hall in the suburbs where ordinary Kenyans can also give their views?
Edith
________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca ________________________________________ From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke[kictanet-bounces+eadera= idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke [ bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 16 November 2010 16:54 To: Edith Adera Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya
Listers Talking of reforms. We have posted two Bills, that is the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya and the Independent Media Council, on www.information.go.ke. The two far reaching pieces of legislation were necessitated by the new Constitution. I need your input by mid January before we plan a major conference (the constitution requires comprehensive stakeholder participation before any policy proposal becomes law) in Mombasa. After we establish concesus the Bills will be sent to the Kenya Law Reform then Constitutional Implementation Committee then the AG's office and finally to Parliament. We will get another chance to view the Bills after the first reading in Parliament. The whole process is to take less than six months.
The Freedom of Information and Data Protection Bills are making progress too and we shall keep you updated.
Regards
Ndemo.
Dr. Ndemo, you are right that we are overdue for comprehensive reforms when it comes to how we run and manage our parastatals.
However, I think that is exactly the kind of change that Yawe is proposing to bring about. I'm delighted that someone like Yawe who obviously has extensive experience in converging ICT with business, can be bold enough to stand up and say I can do it. Barack Obama in his book Dreams of My Father spoke about how leaders seeking the highest elective office must have an outsized ego. They must believe that they can do something better than everyone else, even if that something seems impossible. With Yawe, I can personally say that he has the brains, skills, motivation and ego to meet the challenges of being the post-master general.
Look forward to your appointment Yawe.
With Kind Regards, Harry Karanja Senior Consultant, EVA
Eva - The Executive Virtual Assistant who saves you time and money, and increases your revenue by handling customer care, sales & marketing, website marketing, and appointments at an affordable monthly price. A service by Business Made Simple Genius Executive Centre. 15th Floor View Park Towers, Nairobi Kenya PO Box 40665 Nairobi 00100 Tel: +254-20-2321294 Mobile: +254-751-773-087 Email: sales@eva.co.ke | www.eva.co.ke ï Thank you for considering the environmental impact of printing emails.
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Jane, You are right to some extent. Ministries do not have unlimited power over their parastatals. You recall as Hon. Michuki cleaned the Transport ministry, the Ports Authority was at the verge of collapse. There are intricacies in the running of state corporations that you are not aware of. They are managed by many agencies such as the State Corporations Advisory Council, Inspector General of State Corporations and not forgetting the unions. It is not as simple as you think. Several variables affect the way they operate. Comprehensive reforms may be necessary.
Ndemo.
Hi Robert,
Thank you for a very well outlined vision. How I wish the appointing authority would give you an opportunity.
Meanwhile,I choose to strongly disagree with Bwana PS in regard to the legacy issues he raised.
Yawe's vision is comprised of income generating ideas e.g.Renting out banking hall space, Advertising, Selling airtime etc,very minimal resources are required and if anything the organisation would be assured of immediate returns.From the vision I also see numerous job opportunities being created through Ecomerce and the eventual door delivery of mail.
Listers, I draw inspiration from how Hon Michuki transformed the public transport sector. He used the same staff his predecessors had used,no retraining,no retrenchment or work force overhaul;just a man who decided to bring sanity on the roads and sanity he brought. Similarly,it also took one man,same task force,same conditions,to undo all what had been done by Hon Michuki at Ministry of Transport. Again Hon Michuki moved to Min of Enviroment,we could have heard excuses of how much resources were needed to clean Nairobi river........................again the river got cleaned.
Personally I believe its all dependent on the person at the top. Under our current situation I dont expect Yawe to immediately replace Maj Gen Hussein Ali but the least I would have expected is in the meantime Yawe be introduced to the Post Master General to share on how some of his ideas can be implemented as we wait for the resource and legacy issues to get resolved.
Jane Kagiri kagirijane@yahoo.com
Its impossible to build a tribute of success on a foundation of excuses.
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Folks, At this rate, I would suggest why not host ALL the environments (Start at Mukurwa-kwa-Njenga, head to Umoja, passby Buru and then Karen and finally Sun n Sand?) I guess its all a matter of what you think is the most efficient and effective way of hearing and collating data from the people (public) - given certain constraints like time, budgets and availability of "knowledgeable" of participants. Which begs the question that many Policy experts on this list could answer: Is the Quality of a Policy a function of the Number of Participants? Alternatively, what are the Key metrics/indicators for a good Government Policy? walu. disclaimer: host environments were randomly selected and not necessarily ordinal ;-) --- On Wed, 11/17/10, Wainaina Mungai <wainaina.mungai@gmail.com> wrote: From: Wainaina Mungai <wainaina.mungai@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 4:46 AM I second Edith, let us have the consultations at Bomas or other hall(s) in the suburbs of Nairobi. We need to move away from the expensive 'default setting' of having all policy discussions at the Sun-and-Sand Beach Resort. Participation via SMS, web and other modes should be admissible this time round. Wainaina On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote: Bwana Ndemo, This is "music to my ears". It's gratifying to see that citizens are now placed at the heart of policy-making in Kenya! Incidentally, we have just approved funding for a comprehensive study to review "the right to information and citizen participation in parliamentary affairs in Kenya" - we hope that the findings will inform the review of policies and standing orders to entrench citizen participation in parliament. Can we find more effective and less expensive ways of engaging citizens in policymaking processes, must it be Mombasa? why not a decent hall in the suburbs where ordinary Kenyans can also give their views? Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca ________________________________________ From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 16 November 2010 16:54 To: Edith Adera Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya Listers Talking of reforms. We have posted two Bills, that is the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya and the Independent Media Council, on www.information.go.ke. The two far reaching pieces of legislation were necessitated by the new Constitution. I need your input by mid January before we plan a major conference (the constitution requires comprehensive stakeholder participation before any policy proposal becomes law) in Mombasa. After we establish concesus the Bills will be sent to the Kenya Law Reform then Constitutional Implementation Committee then the AG's office and finally to Parliament. We will get another chance to view the Bills after the first reading in Parliament. The whole process is to take less than six months. The Freedom of Information and Data Protection Bills are making progress too and we shall keep you updated. Regards Ndemo.
Dr. Ndemo, you are right that we are overdue for comprehensive reforms
when it comes to how we run and manage our parastatals.
However, I think that is exactly the kind of change that Yawe is proposing
to bring about. I'm delighted that someone like Yawe who obviously has
extensive experience in converging ICT with business, can be bold enough
to stand up and say I can do it. Barack Obama in his book Dreams of My
Father spoke about how leaders seeking the highest elective office must
have an outsized ego. They must believe that they can do something better
than everyone else, even if that something seems impossible. With Yawe, I
can personally say that he has the brains, skills, motivation and ego to
meet the challenges of being the post-master general.
Look forward to your appointment Yawe.
With Kind Regards,
Harry Karanja
Senior Consultant, EVA
Eva - The Executive Virtual Assistant who saves you time and money, and
increases your revenue by handling customer care, sales & marketing,
website marketing, and appointments at an affordable monthly price.
A service by Business Made Simple
Genius Executive Centre. 15th Floor View Park Towers, Nairobi Kenya
PO Box 40665 Nairobi 00100 Tel: +254-20-2321294 Mobile: +254-751-773-087
Email: sales@eva.co.ke | www.eva.co.ke
ï Thank you for considering the environmental impact of printing emails.
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Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Yawe for Post Master General
Jane,
You are right to some extent. Ministries do not have unlimited power over
their parastatals. You recall as Hon. Michuki cleaned the Transport
ministry, the Ports Authority was at the verge of collapse. There are
intricacies in the running of state corporations that you are not aware
of. They are managed by many agencies such as the State Corporations
Advisory Council, Inspector General of State Corporations and not
forgetting the unions. It is not as simple as you think. Several
variables affect the way they operate. Comprehensive reforms may be
necessary.
Ndemo.
Hi Robert,
Thank you for a very well outlined vision.
How I wish the appointing authority would give you an opportunity.
Meanwhile,I choose to strongly disagree with Bwana PS in regard to the
legacy
issues he raised.
Yawe's vision is comprised of income generating ideas e.g.Renting out
banking
hall space, Advertising, Selling airtime etc,very minimal resources are
required
and if anything the organisation would be assured of immediate
returns.From the
vision I also see numerous job opportunities being created through
Ecomerce and
the eventual door delivery of mail.
Listers, I draw inspiration from how Hon Michuki transformed the public
transport sector.
He used the same staff his predecessors had used,no retraining,no
retrenchment
or work force overhaul;just a man who decided to bring sanity on the
roads
and
sanity he brought.
Similarly,it also took one man,same task force,same conditions,to undo
all
what
had been done by Hon Michuki at Ministry of Transport.
Again Hon Michuki moved to Min of Enviroment,we could have heard excuses
of how
much resources were needed to clean Nairobi
river........................again
the river got cleaned.
Personally I believe its all dependent on the person at the top.
Under our current situation I dont expect Yawe to immediately replace
Maj
Gen
Hussein Ali but the least I would have expected is in the meantime Yawe
be
introduced to the Post Master General to share on how some of his ideas
can be
implemented as we wait for the resource and legacy issues to get
resolved.
Jane Kagiri
kagirijane@yahoo.com
Its impossible to build a tribute of success on a foundation of excuses.
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A quality policy process should involve: - Good and accessible background research including a vision for the sector. We need to be clear as a country on where we want to go to derive who can get us there. For example we have a 2009 Act that has only been partially implemented...whose vision did that Act represent? Are they represented at the CCK? - All who have a stake (including the 20 million with mobile phones and radios) need to be heard directly or through their representatives. How they want to use their phones and by extension where CCK/Media Council priorities should lie may come as a suprise to experts. - Innovators: all those leading the new IT garages, industries need to be heard as a special category so that insitutions are created for the future and not only for todays problems. - Political support: We need to hear govt. views on the possibilities of the future with independent institutions. Its not enough to simply be conforming to the new Constitution. That said, this is an exciting time - the Constitution is allowing us to kill very many birds with one stone including ICT ones. regards, Wamuyu ________________________________ From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wed, 17 November, 2010 11:14:48 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya-Policy Process Folks, At this rate, I would suggest why not host ALL the environments (Start at Mukurwa-kwa-Njenga, head to Umoja, passby Buru and then Karen and finally Sun n Sand?) I guess its all a matter of what you think is the most efficient and effective way of hearing and collating data from the people (public) - given certain constraints like time, budgets and availability of "knowledgeable" of participants. Which begs the question that many Policy experts on this list could answer: Is the Quality of a Policy a function of the Number of Participants? Alternatively, what are the Key metrics/indicators for a good Government Policy? walu. disclaimer: host environments were randomly selected and not necessarily ordinal ;-) --- On Wed, 11/17/10, Wainaina Mungai <wainaina.mungai@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Wainaina Mungai <wainaina.mungai@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 4:46 AM
I second Edith, let us have the consultations at Bomas or other hall(s) in the suburbs of Nairobi. We need to move away from the expensive 'default setting' of having all policy discussions at the Sun-and-Sand Beach Resort.
Participation via SMS, web and other modes should be admissible this time round.
Wainaina
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Bwana Ndemo,
This is "music to my ears". It's gratifying to see that citizens are now placed at the heart of policy-making in Kenya!
Incidentally, we have just approved funding for a comprehensive study to review "the right to information and citizen participation in parliamentary affairs in Kenya" - we hope that the findings will inform the review of policies and standing orders to entrench citizen participation in parliament.
Can we find more effective and less expensive ways of engaging citizens in policymaking processes, must it be Mombasa? why not a decent hall in the suburbs where ordinary Kenyans can also give their views?
Edith
________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca ________________________________________ From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 16 November 2010 16:54 To: Edith Adera
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Listers Talking of reforms. We have posted two Bills, that is the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya and the Independent Media Council, on www.information.go.ke. The two far reaching pieces of legislation were necessitated by the new Constitution. I need your input by mid January before we plan a major conference (the constitution requires comprehensive stakeholder participation before any policy proposal becomes law) in Mombasa. After we establish concesus the Bills will be sent to the Kenya Law Reform then Constitutional Implementation Committee then the AG's office and finally to Parliament. We will get another chance to view the Bills after the first reading in Parliament. The whole process is to take less than six months.
The Freedom of Information and Data Protection Bills are making progress too and we shall keep you updated.
Regards
Ndemo.
Dr. Ndemo, you are right that we are overdue for comprehensive reforms when it comes to how we run and manage our parastatals.
However, I think that is exactly the kind of change that Yawe is proposing to bring about. I'm delighted that someone like Yawe who obviously has extensive experience in converging ICT with business, can be bold enough to stand up and say I can do it. Barack Obama in his book Dreams of My Father spoke about how leaders seeking the highest elective office must have an outsized ego. They must believe that they can do something better than everyone else, even if that something seems impossible. With Yawe, I can personally say that he has the brains, skills, motivation and ego to meet the challenges of being the post-master general.
Look forward to your appointment Yawe.
With Kind Regards, Harry Karanja Senior Consultant, EVA
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Jane, You are right to some extent. Ministries do not have unlimited power over their parastatals. You recall as Hon. Michuki cleaned the Transport ministry, the Ports Authority was at the verge of collapse. There are intricacies in the running of state corporations that you are not aware of. They are managed by many agencies such as the State Corporations Advisory Council, Inspector General of State Corporations and not forgetting the unions. It is not as simple as you think. Several variables affect the way they operate. Comprehensive reforms may be necessary.
Ndemo.
Hi Robert,
Thank you for a very well outlined vision. How I wish the appointing authority would give you an opportunity.
Meanwhile,I choose to strongly disagree with Bwana PS in regard to the legacy issues he raised.
Yawe's vision is comprised of income generating ideas e.g.Renting out banking hall space, Advertising, Selling airtime etc,very minimal resources are required and if anything the organisation would be assured of immediate returns.From the vision I also see numerous job opportunities being created through Ecomerce and the eventual door delivery of mail.
Listers, I draw inspiration from how Hon Michuki transformed the public transport sector. He used the same staff his predecessors had used,no retraining,no retrenchment or work force overhaul;just a man who decided to bring sanity on the roads and sanity he brought. Similarly,it also took one man,same task force,same conditions,to undo all what had been done by Hon Michuki at Ministry of Transport. Again Hon Michuki moved to Min of Enviroment,we could have heard excuses of how much resources were needed to clean Nairobi river........................again the river got cleaned.
Personally I believe its all dependent on the person at the top. Under our current situation I dont expect Yawe to immediately replace Maj Gen Hussein Ali but the least I would have expected is in the meantime Yawe be introduced to the Post Master General to share on how some of his ideas can be implemented as we wait for the resource and legacy issues to get resolved.
Jane Kagiri kagirijane@yahoo.com
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Wamuyu, We are simply trying to implement what people said in the referendum. To ensure that we have enterpreted the document properly, we seek concurance from many quarters including civil society before sending the policy framework to our representatives. It is therefore very difficult to involve everybody at all levels. Asante. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Wamuyu Gatheru <wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 08:52:05 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya-Policy Process _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: bitange@jambo.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke
Thank you. In terms of wider views, perhaps MP Rege could get an MPs workshop together around this. This may not be ideal (because they may not make good representatives of their constituents views on this matter) but it will be better than having a purely expert led process. Please note that on land, for example, the push is to have wide ranging stakeholders, who were engaged in policy formulation, also participate in the law making. This may go even further in having a few key stakeholders (e.g. women farmers - the overwhelming majority of farm labour but who have been historically disenfranchised) as members of the National Land Commission. This is because the gender element is one of the major transformations in land reform in the new era. I wonder what the key transformation for ICTs is and its implications for CCK in the new era ...(thats what I meant by going beyond simply implementing the Const.) Looking forward to the process and all the best to you in leading this transition. regards, Wamuyu ________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: Wamuyu Gatheru <wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk>; kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wed, 17 November, 2010 13:50:29 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission ofKenya-Policy Process Wamuyu, We are simply trying to implement what people said in the referendum. To ensure that we have enterpreted the document properly, we seek concurance from many quarters including civil society before sending the policy framework to our representatives. It is therefore very difficult to involve everybody at all levels. Asante. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Wamuyu Gatheru <wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 08:52:05 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya-Policy Process _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: bitange@jambo.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke
Hi Folks, May I take this opportunity to sway you away from the monotony of discussing where the next forum for deliberating on the two bills should be to the real issues in the two bills. The two bills are for the creation of independent institutions of the Media Council and the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya. I must pat the drafters of these two bills on their backs for having identified the actual areas of concern and their attempts to realign them with articles 34 (3) & (5) of the constitution. It is important for us to address the issues raised in this bills in an attempt to come up with bills that will guarantee the existence of a wide range of independent and autonomous media in the broadcasting sub-sector. of course proportionate regulation is essential to guarantee the freedom of media while at the same time ensuring a balance between that freedom and other legitimate rights and interests. Perhaps most importantly in order to preserve broadcasting as part of the democratic process, we should aim at creating independence in regulatory institutions dealing with broadcasting in the sector. the question that begs in the minds of many is who is real an independent regulator? According to Eva Solomon, an independent regulator can be obtained by using the following criteria; · Means of appointment: should be clearly set out in law and should be done in a democratic and transparent manner. · Remit of the regulatory authority: duties and responsibilities of an independent regulator should be clearly set out in law as should the means through which they will be held accountable. · Terms for termination of appointment: one of the most invidious ways in which a regulatory authority can be subject to political pressure and influence is through the threat of dismissal. Thus the law must state clearly the factors which may lead to dismissal. · Funding: funding can be used as a means of exerting political pressure. Terms of funding should be set out in law, and whenever possible be kept separate from any potential political interference. · Conflicts of interest: apart from being independent of political forces, members of the regulatory authority must be free from any potential personal conflict of interest with the broadcasting sector. Perhaps, based on the above arguments, folks; you can analyze the two bills and see if they actually meet the above criteria and/or propose appropriate changes in order to expedite the process before the next forum. I want to propose that in order to overcome the potential contravention of chapter 15 of the new constitution, the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya be named Independent Communications Regulatory Authority of Kenya (ICRAK). From: kictanet-bounces+wangusi=cck.go.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+wangusi=cck.go.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Walubengo J Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 11:15 AM To: Wangusi, Francis Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission ofKenya-Policy Process Folks, At this rate, I would suggest why not host ALL the environments (Start at Mukurwa-kwa-Njenga, head to Umoja, passby Buru and then Karen and finally Sun n Sand?) I guess its all a matter of what you think is the most efficient and effective way of hearing and collating data from the people (public) - given certain constraints like time, budgets and availability of "knowledgeable" of participants. Which begs the question that many Policy experts on this list could answer: Is the Quality of a Policy a function of the Number of Participants? Alternatively, what are the Key metrics/indicators for a good Government Policy? walu. disclaimer: host environments were randomly selected and not necessarily ordinal ;-) --- On Wed, 11/17/10, Wainaina Mungai <wainaina.mungai@gmail.com> wrote: From: Wainaina Mungai <wainaina.mungai@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 4:46 AM I second Edith, let us have the consultations at Bomas or other hall(s) in the suburbs of Nairobi. We need to move away from the expensive 'default setting' of having all policy discussions at the Sun-and-Sand Beach Resort. Participation via SMS, web and other modes should be admissible this time round. Wainaina On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote: Bwana Ndemo, This is "music to my ears". It's gratifying to see that citizens are now placed at the heart of policy-making in Kenya! Incidentally, we have just approved funding for a comprehensive study to review "the right to information and citizen participation in parliamentary affairs in Kenya" - we hope that the findings will inform the review of policies and standing orders to entrench citizen participation in parliament. Can we find more effective and less expensive ways of engaging citizens in policymaking processes, must it be Mombasa? why not a decent hall in the suburbs where ordinary Kenyans can also give their views? Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca ________________________________________ From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 16 November 2010 16:54 To: Edith Adera Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya Listers Talking of reforms. We have posted two Bills, that is the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya and the Independent Media Council, on www.information.go.ke. The two far reaching pieces of legislation were necessitated by the new Constitution. I need your input by mid January before we plan a major conference (the constitution requires comprehensive stakeholder participation before any policy proposal becomes law) in Mombasa. After we establish concesus the Bills will be sent to the Kenya Law Reform then Constitutional Implementation Committee then the AG's office and finally to Parliament. We will get another chance to view the Bills after the first reading in Parliament. The whole process is to take less than six months. The Freedom of Information and Data Protection Bills are making progress too and we shall keep you updated. Regards Ndemo.
Dr. Ndemo, you are right that we are overdue for comprehensive reforms when it comes to how we run and manage our parastatals.
However, I think that is exactly the kind of change that Yawe is proposing to bring about. I'm delighted that someone like Yawe who obviously has extensive experience in converging ICT with business, can be bold enough to stand up and say I can do it. Barack Obama in his book Dreams of My Father spoke about how leaders seeking the highest elective office must have an outsized ego. They must believe that they can do something better than everyone else, even if that something seems impossible. With Yawe, I can personally say that he has the brains, skills, motivation and ego to meet the challenges of being the post-master general.
Look forward to your appointment Yawe.
With Kind Regards, Harry Karanja Senior Consultant, EVA
Eva - The Executive Virtual Assistant who saves you time and money, and increases your revenue by handling customer care, sales & marketing, website marketing, and appointments at an affordable monthly price. A service by Business Made Simple Genius Executive Centre. 15th Floor View Park Towers, Nairobi Kenya PO Box 40665 Nairobi 00100 Tel: +254-20-2321294 Mobile: +254-751-773-087 Email: sales@eva.co.ke | www.eva.co.ke ï Thank you for considering the environmental impact of printing emails.
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Jane, You are right to some extent. Ministries do not have unlimited power over their parastatals. You recall as Hon. Michuki cleaned the Transport ministry, the Ports Authority was at the verge of collapse. There are intricacies in the running of state corporations that you are not aware of. They are managed by many agencies such as the State Corporations Advisory Council, Inspector General of State Corporations and not forgetting the unions. It is not as simple as you think. Several variables affect the way they operate. Comprehensive reforms may be necessary.
Ndemo.
Hi Robert,
Thank you for a very well outlined vision. How I wish the appointing authority would give you an opportunity.
Meanwhile,I choose to strongly disagree with Bwana PS in regard to the legacy issues he raised.
Yawe's vision is comprised of income generating ideas e.g.Renting out banking hall space, Advertising, Selling airtime etc,very minimal resources are required and if anything the organisation would be assured of immediate returns.From the vision I also see numerous job opportunities being created through Ecomerce and the eventual door delivery of mail.
Listers, I draw inspiration from how Hon Michuki transformed the public transport sector. He used the same staff his predecessors had used,no retraining,no retrenchment or work force overhaul;just a man who decided to bring sanity on the roads and sanity he brought. Similarly,it also took one man,same task force,same conditions,to undo all what had been done by Hon Michuki at Ministry of Transport. Again Hon Michuki moved to Min of Enviroment,we could have heard excuses of how much resources were needed to clean Nairobi river........................again the river got cleaned.
Personally I believe its all dependent on the person at the top. Under our current situation I dont expect Yawe to immediately replace Maj Gen Hussein Ali but the least I would have expected is in the meantime Yawe be introduced to the Post Master General to share on how some of his ideas can be implemented as we wait for the resource and legacy issues to get resolved.
Jane Kagiri kagirijane@yahoo.com
Its impossible to build a tribute of success on a foundation of excuses.
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Edith, Due to our peculiarities and need for consistent participation Mombasa seems to be the Dawa. Everytime we plan a two day conference around the city, people either choose to attend one day or intermintently while attending to other needs. In the end it takes you longer to get any concesus. I let you to try this because in the end it becomes expensive. Regards Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry� -----Original Message----- From: Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 21:51:30 To: bitange@jambo.co.ke<bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya Bwana Ndemo, This is "music to my ears". It's gratifying to see that citizens are now placed at the heart of policy-making in Kenya! Incidentally, we have just approved funding for a comprehensive study to review "the right to information and citizen participation in parliamentary affairs in Kenya" - we hope that the findings will inform the review of policies and standing orders to entrench citizen participation in parliament. Can we find more effective and less expensive ways of engaging citizens in policymaking processes, must it be Mombasa? why not a decent hall in the suburbs where ordinary Kenyans can also give their views? Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le d�veloppement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/T�l�c: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca ________________________________________ From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 16 November 2010 16:54 To: Edith Adera Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya Listers Talking of reforms. We have posted two Bills, that is the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya and the Independent Media Council, on www.information.go.ke. The two far reaching pieces of legislation were necessitated by the new Constitution. I need your input by mid January before we plan a major conference (the constitution requires comprehensive stakeholder participation before any policy proposal becomes law) in Mombasa. After we establish concesus the Bills will be sent to the Kenya Law Reform then Constitutional Implementation Committee then the AG's office and finally to Parliament. We will get another chance to view the Bills after the first reading in Parliament. The whole process is to take less than six months. The Freedom of Information and Data Protection Bills are making progress too and we shall keep you updated. Regards Ndemo.
Dr. Ndemo, you are right that we are overdue for comprehensive reforms when it comes to how we run and manage our parastatals.
However, I think that is exactly the kind of change that Yawe is proposing to bring about. I'm delighted that someone like Yawe who obviously has extensive experience in converging ICT with business, can be bold enough to stand up and say I can do it. Barack Obama in his book Dreams of My Father spoke about how leaders seeking the highest elective office must have an outsized ego. They must believe that they can do something better than everyone else, even if that something seems impossible. With Yawe, I can personally say that he has the brains, skills, motivation and ego to meet the challenges of being the post-master general.
Look forward to your appointment Yawe.
With Kind Regards, Harry Karanja Senior Consultant, EVA
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Jane, You are right to some extent. Ministries do not have unlimited power over their parastatals. You recall as Hon. Michuki cleaned the Transport ministry, the Ports Authority was at the verge of collapse. There are intricacies in the running of state corporations that you are not aware of. They are managed by many agencies such as the State Corporations Advisory Council, Inspector General of State Corporations and not forgetting the unions. It is not as simple as you think. Several variables affect the way they operate. Comprehensive reforms may be necessary.
Ndemo.
Hi Robert,
Thank you for a very well outlined vision. How I wish the appointing authority would give you an opportunity.
Meanwhile,I choose to strongly disagree with Bwana PS in regard to the legacy issues he raised.
Yawe's vision is comprised of income generating ideas e.g.Renting out banking hall space, Advertising, Selling airtime etc,very minimal resources are required and if anything the organisation would be assured of immediate returns.From the vision I also see numerous job opportunities being created through Ecomerce and the eventual door delivery of mail.
Listers, I draw inspiration from how Hon Michuki transformed the public transport sector. He used the same staff his predecessors had used,no retraining,no retrenchment or work force overhaul;just a man who decided to bring sanity on the roads and sanity he brought. Similarly,it also took one man,same task force,same conditions,to undo all what had been done by Hon Michuki at Ministry of Transport. Again Hon Michuki moved to Min of Enviroment,we could have heard excuses of how much resources were needed to clean Nairobi river........................again the river got cleaned.
Personally I believe its all dependent on the person at the top. Under our current situation I dont expect Yawe to immediately replace Maj Gen Hussein Ali but the least I would have expected is in the meantime Yawe be introduced to the Post Master General to share on how some of his ideas can be implemented as we wait for the resource and legacy issues to get resolved.
Jane Kagiri kagirijane@yahoo.com
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Indeed Bwana Ndemo; but then again having these events in Mombasa significantly reduces valuable stakeholder participation. Consistently holding events in Mombasa is treating symptoms and not the disease -- commitment on the part of policy makers. On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:20 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Edith, Due to our peculiarities and need for consistent participation Mombasa seems to be the Dawa. Everytime we plan a two day conference around the city, people either choose to attend one day or intermintently while attending to other needs. In the end it takes you longer to get any concesus. I let you to try this because in the end it becomes expensive.
Regards
Ndemo.
Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Bwana Ndemo,
This is "music to my ears". It's gratifying to see that citizens are now placed at the heart of policy-making in Kenya!
Incidentally, we have just approved funding for a comprehensive study to review "the right to information and citizen participation in parliamentary affairs in Kenya" - we hope that the findings will inform the review of policies and standing orders to entrench citizen participation in parliament.
Can we find more effective and less expensive ways of engaging citizens in policymaking processes, must it be Mombasa? why not a decent hall in the suburbs where ordinary Kenyans can also give their views?
Edith
________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca ________________________________________ From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke[kictanet-bounces+eadera= idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke [ bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 16 November 2010 16:54 To: Edith Adera Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya
Listers Talking of reforms. We have posted two Bills, that is the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya and the Independent Media Council, on www.information.go.ke. The two far reaching pieces of legislation were necessitated by the new Constitution. I need your input by mid January before we plan a major conference (the constitution requires comprehensive stakeholder participation before any policy proposal becomes law) in Mombasa. After we establish concesus the Bills will be sent to the Kenya Law Reform then Constitutional Implementation Committee then the AG's office and finally to Parliament. We will get another chance to view the Bills after the first reading in Parliament. The whole process is to take less than six months.
The Freedom of Information and Data Protection Bills are making progress too and we shall keep you updated.
Regards
Ndemo.
Dr. Ndemo, you are right that we are overdue for comprehensive reforms when it comes to how we run and manage our parastatals.
However, I think that is exactly the kind of change that Yawe is proposing to bring about. I'm delighted that someone like Yawe who obviously has extensive experience in converging ICT with business, can be bold enough to stand up and say I can do it. Barack Obama in his book Dreams of My Father spoke about how leaders seeking the highest elective office must have an outsized ego. They must believe that they can do something better than everyone else, even if that something seems impossible. With Yawe, I can personally say that he has the brains, skills, motivation and ego to meet the challenges of being the post-master general.
Look forward to your appointment Yawe.
With Kind Regards, Harry Karanja Senior Consultant, EVA
Eva - The Executive Virtual Assistant who saves you time and money, and increases your revenue by handling customer care, sales & marketing, website marketing, and appointments at an affordable monthly price. A service by Business Made Simple Genius Executive Centre. 15th Floor View Park Towers, Nairobi Kenya PO Box 40665 Nairobi 00100 Tel: +254-20-2321294 Mobile: +254-751-773-087 Email: sales@eva.co.ke | www.eva.co.ke ï Thank you for considering the environmental impact of printing emails.
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Jane, You are right to some extent. Ministries do not have unlimited power over their parastatals. You recall as Hon. Michuki cleaned the Transport ministry, the Ports Authority was at the verge of collapse. There are intricacies in the running of state corporations that you are not aware of. They are managed by many agencies such as the State Corporations Advisory Council, Inspector General of State Corporations and not forgetting the unions. It is not as simple as you think. Several variables affect the way they operate. Comprehensive reforms may be necessary.
Ndemo.
Hi Robert,
Thank you for a very well outlined vision. How I wish the appointing authority would give you an opportunity.
Meanwhile,I choose to strongly disagree with Bwana PS in regard to the legacy issues he raised.
Yawe's vision is comprised of income generating ideas e.g.Renting out banking hall space, Advertising, Selling airtime etc,very minimal resources are required and if anything the organisation would be assured of immediate returns.From the vision I also see numerous job opportunities being created through Ecomerce and the eventual door delivery of mail.
Listers, I draw inspiration from how Hon Michuki transformed the public transport sector. He used the same staff his predecessors had used,no retraining,no retrenchment or work force overhaul;just a man who decided to bring sanity on the roads and sanity he brought. Similarly,it also took one man,same task force,same conditions,to undo all what had been done by Hon Michuki at Ministry of Transport. Again Hon Michuki moved to Min of Enviroment,we could have heard excuses of how much resources were needed to clean Nairobi river........................again the river got cleaned.
Personally I believe its all dependent on the person at the top. Under our current situation I dont expect Yawe to immediately replace Maj Gen Hussein Ali but the least I would have expected is in the meantime Yawe be introduced to the Post Master General to share on how some of his ideas can be implemented as we wait for the resource and legacy issues to get resolved.
Jane Kagiri kagirijane@yahoo.com
Its impossible to build a tribute of success on a foundation of excuses.
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Bwana Ps, Must it be in Mombasa? Why not take it to Kisumu or Suba this time round? We might want to promote this *domestic tourism* around the country. Wainaina On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:20 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Edith, Due to our peculiarities and need for consistent participation Mombasa seems to be the Dawa. Everytime we plan a two day conference around the city, people either choose to attend one day or intermintently while attending to other needs. In the end it takes you longer to get any concesus. I let you to try this because in the end it becomes expensive.
Regards
Ndemo.
Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Bwana Ndemo,
This is "music to my ears". It's gratifying to see that citizens are now placed at the heart of policy-making in Kenya!
Incidentally, we have just approved funding for a comprehensive study to review "the right to information and citizen participation in parliamentary affairs in Kenya" - we hope that the findings will inform the review of policies and standing orders to entrench citizen participation in parliament.
Can we find more effective and less expensive ways of engaging citizens in policymaking processes, must it be Mombasa? why not a decent hall in the suburbs where ordinary Kenyans can also give their views?
Edith
________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca ________________________________________ From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke[kictanet-bounces+eadera= idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke [ bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 16 November 2010 16:54 To: Edith Adera Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya
Listers Talking of reforms. We have posted two Bills, that is the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya and the Independent Media Council, on www.information.go.ke. The two far reaching pieces of legislation were necessitated by the new Constitution. I need your input by mid January before we plan a major conference (the constitution requires comprehensive stakeholder participation before any policy proposal becomes law) in Mombasa. After we establish concesus the Bills will be sent to the Kenya Law Reform then Constitutional Implementation Committee then the AG's office and finally to Parliament. We will get another chance to view the Bills after the first reading in Parliament. The whole process is to take less than six months.
The Freedom of Information and Data Protection Bills are making progress too and we shall keep you updated.
Regards
Ndemo.
Dr. Ndemo, you are right that we are overdue for comprehensive reforms when it comes to how we run and manage our parastatals.
However, I think that is exactly the kind of change that Yawe is proposing to bring about. I'm delighted that someone like Yawe who obviously has extensive experience in converging ICT with business, can be bold enough to stand up and say I can do it. Barack Obama in his book Dreams of My Father spoke about how leaders seeking the highest elective office must have an outsized ego. They must believe that they can do something better than everyone else, even if that something seems impossible. With Yawe, I can personally say that he has the brains, skills, motivation and ego to meet the challenges of being the post-master general.
Look forward to your appointment Yawe.
With Kind Regards, Harry Karanja Senior Consultant, EVA
Eva - The Executive Virtual Assistant who saves you time and money, and increases your revenue by handling customer care, sales & marketing, website marketing, and appointments at an affordable monthly price. A service by Business Made Simple Genius Executive Centre. 15th Floor View Park Towers, Nairobi Kenya PO Box 40665 Nairobi 00100 Tel: +254-20-2321294 Mobile: +254-751-773-087 Email: sales@eva.co.ke | www.eva.co.ke ï Thank you for considering the environmental impact of printing emails.
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+kairo=softlaw.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kairo <kictanet-bounces%2Bkairo>=softlaw.co.ke@ lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 10:03 PM To: kairo@softlaw.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Yawe for Post Master General
Jane, You are right to some extent. Ministries do not have unlimited power over their parastatals. You recall as Hon. Michuki cleaned the Transport ministry, the Ports Authority was at the verge of collapse. There are intricacies in the running of state corporations that you are not aware of. They are managed by many agencies such as the State Corporations Advisory Council, Inspector General of State Corporations and not forgetting the unions. It is not as simple as you think. Several variables affect the way they operate. Comprehensive reforms may be necessary.
Ndemo.
Hi Robert,
Thank you for a very well outlined vision. How I wish the appointing authority would give you an opportunity.
Meanwhile,I choose to strongly disagree with Bwana PS in regard to the legacy issues he raised.
Yawe's vision is comprised of income generating ideas e.g.Renting out banking hall space, Advertising, Selling airtime etc,very minimal resources are required and if anything the organisation would be assured of immediate returns.From the vision I also see numerous job opportunities being created through Ecomerce and the eventual door delivery of mail.
Listers, I draw inspiration from how Hon Michuki transformed the public transport sector. He used the same staff his predecessors had used,no retraining,no retrenchment or work force overhaul;just a man who decided to bring sanity on the roads and sanity he brought. Similarly,it also took one man,same task force,same conditions,to undo all what had been done by Hon Michuki at Ministry of Transport. Again Hon Michuki moved to Min of Enviroment,we could have heard excuses of how much resources were needed to clean Nairobi river........................again the river got cleaned.
Personally I believe its all dependent on the person at the top. Under our current situation I dont expect Yawe to immediately replace Maj Gen Hussein Ali but the least I would have expected is in the meantime Yawe be introduced to the Post Master General to share on how some of his ideas can be implemented as we wait for the resource and legacy issues to get resolved.
Jane Kagiri kagirijane@yahoo.com
Its impossible to build a tribute of success on a foundation of excuses.
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http://afrinnovator.com/innovation/new-proposed-kenyan-legislation-for-media... On 17 November 2010 10:38, Wainaina Mungai <wainaina.mungai@gmail.com>wrote:
Bwana Ps,
Must it be in Mombasa? Why not take it to Kisumu or Suba this time round? We might want to promote this *domestic tourism* around the country.
Wainaina
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:20 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Edith, Due to our peculiarities and need for consistent participation Mombasa seems to be the Dawa. Everytime we plan a two day conference around the city, people either choose to attend one day or intermintently while attending to other needs. In the end it takes you longer to get any concesus. I let you to try this because in the end it becomes expensive.
Regards
Ndemo.
Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 21:51:30 To: bitange@jambo.co.ke<bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya
Bwana Ndemo,
This is "music to my ears". It's gratifying to see that citizens are now placed at the heart of policy-making in Kenya!
Incidentally, we have just approved funding for a comprehensive study to review "the right to information and citizen participation in parliamentary affairs in Kenya" - we hope that the findings will inform the review of policies and standing orders to entrench citizen participation in parliament.
Can we find more effective and less expensive ways of engaging citizens in policymaking processes, must it be Mombasa? why not a decent hall in the suburbs where ordinary Kenyans can also give their views?
Edith
________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca ________________________________________ From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke[kictanet-bounces+eadera= idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke [ bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 16 November 2010 16:54 To: Edith Adera Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya
Listers Talking of reforms. We have posted two Bills, that is the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya and the Independent Media Council, on www.information.go.ke. The two far reaching pieces of legislation were necessitated by the new Constitution. I need your input by mid January before we plan a major conference (the constitution requires comprehensive stakeholder participation before any policy proposal becomes law) in Mombasa. After we establish concesus the Bills will be sent to the Kenya Law Reform then Constitutional Implementation Committee then the AG's office and finally to Parliament. We will get another chance to view the Bills after the first reading in Parliament. The whole process is to take less than six months.
The Freedom of Information and Data Protection Bills are making progress too and we shall keep you updated.
Regards
Ndemo.
Dr. Ndemo, you are right that we are overdue for comprehensive reforms when it comes to how we run and manage our parastatals.
However, I think that is exactly the kind of change that Yawe is proposing to bring about. I'm delighted that someone like Yawe who obviously has extensive experience in converging ICT with business, can be bold enough to stand up and say I can do it. Barack Obama in his book Dreams of My Father spoke about how leaders seeking the highest elective office must have an outsized ego. They must believe that they can do something better than everyone else, even if that something seems impossible. With Yawe, I can personally say that he has the brains, skills, motivation and ego to meet the challenges of being the post-master general.
Look forward to your appointment Yawe.
With Kind Regards, Harry Karanja Senior Consultant, EVA
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Jane, You are right to some extent. Ministries do not have unlimited power over their parastatals. You recall as Hon. Michuki cleaned the Transport ministry, the Ports Authority was at the verge of collapse. There are intricacies in the running of state corporations that you are not aware of. They are managed by many agencies such as the State Corporations Advisory Council, Inspector General of State Corporations and not forgetting the unions. It is not as simple as you think. Several variables affect the way they operate. Comprehensive reforms may be necessary.
Ndemo.
Hi Robert,
Thank you for a very well outlined vision. How I wish the appointing authority would give you an opportunity.
Meanwhile,I choose to strongly disagree with Bwana PS in regard to the legacy issues he raised.
Yawe's vision is comprised of income generating ideas e.g.Renting out banking hall space, Advertising, Selling airtime etc,very minimal resources are required and if anything the organisation would be assured of immediate returns.From the vision I also see numerous job opportunities being created through Ecomerce and the eventual door delivery of mail.
Listers, I draw inspiration from how Hon Michuki transformed the public transport sector. He used the same staff his predecessors had used,no retraining,no retrenchment or work force overhaul;just a man who decided to bring sanity on the roads and sanity he brought. Similarly,it also took one man,same task force,same conditions,to undo all what had been done by Hon Michuki at Ministry of Transport. Again Hon Michuki moved to Min of Enviroment,we could have heard excuses of how much resources were needed to clean Nairobi river........................again the river got cleaned.
Personally I believe its all dependent on the person at the top. Under our current situation I dont expect Yawe to immediately replace Maj Gen Hussein Ali but the least I would have expected is in the meantime Yawe be introduced to the Post Master General to share on how some of his ideas can be implemented as we wait for the resource and legacy issues to get resolved.
Jane Kagiri kagirijane@yahoo.com
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Bwana Ndemo, This time around I'm not convinced. The major concern is that Mombasa gives you an "exclusive group of people", the "usual suspects". In the spririt of the new constitution I think we need to cast our net wider...involve more Kenyans. We must lead by example in showing how the latest technology - both old and new - can be used to engage Kenyans. For example your PS colleague from Ministry of Roads was on radio and TV last week being grilled by Kenyans about the plans for our roads and people asked him tough questions (sms feedback was also integrated into the show). We need to see more innovative ways to engage Kenyans. my two cents Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca ________________________________________ From: bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 17 November 2010 10:20 To: Edith Adera Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya Edith, Due to our peculiarities and need for consistent participation Mombasa seems to be the Dawa. Everytime we plan a two day conference around the city, people either choose to attend one day or intermintently while attending to other needs. In the end it takes you longer to get any concesus. I let you to try this because in the end it becomes expensive. Regards Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 21:51:30 To: bitange@jambo.co.ke<bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya Bwana Ndemo, This is "music to my ears". It's gratifying to see that citizens are now placed at the heart of policy-making in Kenya! Incidentally, we have just approved funding for a comprehensive study to review "the right to information and citizen participation in parliamentary affairs in Kenya" - we hope that the findings will inform the review of policies and standing orders to entrench citizen participation in parliament. Can we find more effective and less expensive ways of engaging citizens in policymaking processes, must it be Mombasa? why not a decent hall in the suburbs where ordinary Kenyans can also give their views? Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca ________________________________________ From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 16 November 2010 16:54 To: Edith Adera Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya Listers Talking of reforms. We have posted two Bills, that is the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya and the Independent Media Council, on www.information.go.ke. The two far reaching pieces of legislation were necessitated by the new Constitution. I need your input by mid January before we plan a major conference (the constitution requires comprehensive stakeholder participation before any policy proposal becomes law) in Mombasa. After we establish concesus the Bills will be sent to the Kenya Law Reform then Constitutional Implementation Committee then the AG's office and finally to Parliament. We will get another chance to view the Bills after the first reading in Parliament. The whole process is to take less than six months. The Freedom of Information and Data Protection Bills are making progress too and we shall keep you updated. Regards Ndemo.
Dr. Ndemo, you are right that we are overdue for comprehensive reforms when it comes to how we run and manage our parastatals.
However, I think that is exactly the kind of change that Yawe is proposing to bring about. I'm delighted that someone like Yawe who obviously has extensive experience in converging ICT with business, can be bold enough to stand up and say I can do it. Barack Obama in his book Dreams of My Father spoke about how leaders seeking the highest elective office must have an outsized ego. They must believe that they can do something better than everyone else, even if that something seems impossible. With Yawe, I can personally say that he has the brains, skills, motivation and ego to meet the challenges of being the post-master general.
Look forward to your appointment Yawe.
With Kind Regards, Harry Karanja Senior Consultant, EVA
Eva - The Executive Virtual Assistant who saves you time and money, and increases your revenue by handling customer care, sales & marketing, website marketing, and appointments at an affordable monthly price. A service by Business Made Simple Genius Executive Centre. 15th Floor View Park Towers, Nairobi Kenya PO Box 40665 Nairobi 00100 Tel: +254-20-2321294 Mobile: +254-751-773-087 Email: sales@eva.co.ke | www.eva.co.ke ï Thank you for considering the environmental impact of printing emails.
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Jane, You are right to some extent. Ministries do not have unlimited power over their parastatals. You recall as Hon. Michuki cleaned the Transport ministry, the Ports Authority was at the verge of collapse. There are intricacies in the running of state corporations that you are not aware of. They are managed by many agencies such as the State Corporations Advisory Council, Inspector General of State Corporations and not forgetting the unions. It is not as simple as you think. Several variables affect the way they operate. Comprehensive reforms may be necessary.
Ndemo.
Hi Robert,
Thank you for a very well outlined vision. How I wish the appointing authority would give you an opportunity.
Meanwhile,I choose to strongly disagree with Bwana PS in regard to the legacy issues he raised.
Yawe's vision is comprised of income generating ideas e.g.Renting out banking hall space, Advertising, Selling airtime etc,very minimal resources are required and if anything the organisation would be assured of immediate returns.From the vision I also see numerous job opportunities being created through Ecomerce and the eventual door delivery of mail.
Listers, I draw inspiration from how Hon Michuki transformed the public transport sector. He used the same staff his predecessors had used,no retraining,no retrenchment or work force overhaul;just a man who decided to bring sanity on the roads and sanity he brought. Similarly,it also took one man,same task force,same conditions,to undo all what had been done by Hon Michuki at Ministry of Transport. Again Hon Michuki moved to Min of Enviroment,we could have heard excuses of how much resources were needed to clean Nairobi river........................again the river got cleaned.
Personally I believe its all dependent on the person at the top. Under our current situation I dont expect Yawe to immediately replace Maj Gen Hussein Ali but the least I would have expected is in the meantime Yawe be introduced to the Post Master General to share on how some of his ideas can be implemented as we wait for the resource and legacy issues to get resolved.
Jane Kagiri kagirijane@yahoo.com
Its impossible to build a tribute of success on a foundation of excuses.
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Edith, My Mombasa proposal is not cast in any stonem. It just because I have had more successes there than here in Nairobi. We can have a meeting anywhere if we all are committed to coming up with a good policy framework. I do not know about the net and random catches. I need serious input. Democracy by nature is anarchical and the greater you try to cover more people, the more expensive and the less likely in becomes to progress the law. This is a well founded theory and that is the reason expert opinion is more valuable at this stage. The people will be taken care of by their reps unless you made the mistake to pass the supreme governance document. Ndemo. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry� -----Original Message----- From: Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 23:00:10 To: bitange@jambo.co.ke<bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya Bwana Ndemo, This time around I'm not convinced. The major concern is that Mombasa gives you an "exclusive group of people", the "usual suspects". In the spririt of the new constitution I think we need to cast our net wider...involve more Kenyans. We must lead by example in showing how the latest technology - both old and new - can be used to engage Kenyans. For example your PS colleague from Ministry of Roads was on radio and TV last week being grilled by Kenyans about the plans for our roads and people asked him tough questions (sms feedback was also integrated into the show). We need to see more innovative ways to engage Kenyans. my two cents Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le d�veloppement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/T�l�c: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca ________________________________________ From: bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 17 November 2010 10:20 To: Edith Adera Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya Edith, Due to our peculiarities and need for consistent participation Mombasa seems to be the Dawa. Everytime we plan a two day conference around the city, people either choose to attend one day or intermintently while attending to other needs. In the end it takes you longer to get any concesus. I let you to try this because in the end it becomes expensive. Regards Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry� -----Original Message----- From: Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 21:51:30 To: bitange@jambo.co.ke<bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya Bwana Ndemo, This is "music to my ears". It's gratifying to see that citizens are now placed at the heart of policy-making in Kenya! Incidentally, we have just approved funding for a comprehensive study to review "the right to information and citizen participation in parliamentary affairs in Kenya" - we hope that the findings will inform the review of policies and standing orders to entrench citizen participation in parliament. Can we find more effective and less expensive ways of engaging citizens in policymaking processes, must it be Mombasa? why not a decent hall in the suburbs where ordinary Kenyans can also give their views? Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le d�veloppement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/T�l�c: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca ________________________________________ From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 16 November 2010 16:54 To: Edith Adera Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya Listers Talking of reforms. We have posted two Bills, that is the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya and the Independent Media Council, on www.information.go.ke. The two far reaching pieces of legislation were necessitated by the new Constitution. I need your input by mid January before we plan a major conference (the constitution requires comprehensive stakeholder participation before any policy proposal becomes law) in Mombasa. After we establish concesus the Bills will be sent to the Kenya Law Reform then Constitutional Implementation Committee then the AG's office and finally to Parliament. We will get another chance to view the Bills after the first reading in Parliament. The whole process is to take less than six months. The Freedom of Information and Data Protection Bills are making progress too and we shall keep you updated. Regards Ndemo.
Dr. Ndemo, you are right that we are overdue for comprehensive reforms when it comes to how we run and manage our parastatals.
However, I think that is exactly the kind of change that Yawe is proposing to bring about. I'm delighted that someone like Yawe who obviously has extensive experience in converging ICT with business, can be bold enough to stand up and say I can do it. Barack Obama in his book Dreams of My Father spoke about how leaders seeking the highest elective office must have an outsized ego. They must believe that they can do something better than everyone else, even if that something seems impossible. With Yawe, I can personally say that he has the brains, skills, motivation and ego to meet the challenges of being the post-master general.
Look forward to your appointment Yawe.
With Kind Regards, Harry Karanja Senior Consultant, EVA
Eva - The Executive Virtual Assistant who saves you time and money, and increases your revenue by handling customer care, sales & marketing, website marketing, and appointments at an affordable monthly price. A service by Business Made Simple Genius Executive Centre. 15th Floor View Park Towers, Nairobi Kenya PO Box 40665 Nairobi 00100 Tel: +254-20-2321294 Mobile: +254-751-773-087 Email: sales@eva.co.ke | www.eva.co.ke Thank you for considering the environmental impact of printing emails.
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Jane, You are right to some extent. Ministries do not have unlimited power over their parastatals. You recall as Hon. Michuki cleaned the Transport ministry, the Ports Authority was at the verge of collapse. There are intricacies in the running of state corporations that you are not aware of. They are managed by many agencies such as the State Corporations Advisory Council, Inspector General of State Corporations and not forgetting the unions. It is not as simple as you think. Several variables affect the way they operate. Comprehensive reforms may be necessary.
Ndemo.
Hi Robert,
Thank you for a very well outlined vision. How I wish the appointing authority would give you an opportunity.
Meanwhile,I choose to strongly disagree with Bwana PS in regard to the legacy issues he raised.
Yawe's vision is comprised of income generating ideas e.g.Renting out banking hall space, Advertising, Selling airtime etc,very minimal resources are required and if anything the organisation would be assured of immediate returns.From the vision I also see numerous job opportunities being created through Ecomerce and the eventual door delivery of mail.
Listers, I draw inspiration from how Hon Michuki transformed the public transport sector. He used the same staff his predecessors had used,no retraining,no retrenchment or work force overhaul;just a man who decided to bring sanity on the roads and sanity he brought. Similarly,it also took one man,same task force,same conditions,to undo all what had been done by Hon Michuki at Ministry of Transport. Again Hon Michuki moved to Min of Enviroment,we could have heard excuses of how much resources were needed to clean Nairobi river........................again the river got cleaned.
Personally I believe its all dependent on the person at the top. Under our current situation I dont expect Yawe to immediately replace Maj Gen Hussein Ali but the least I would have expected is in the meantime Yawe be introduced to the Post Master General to share on how some of his ideas can be implemented as we wait for the resource and legacy issues to get resolved.
Jane Kagiri kagirijane@yahoo.com
Its impossible to build a tribute of success on a foundation of excuses.
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Bwana Ndemo, This is "business as usual" to me, nothing has changed. For example the issues raised by Francis Wangusi which is generally touching on "regulatory capture" (and the solutions are well documented in literature and research evidence some of which he has stated) may be articulated by ordinary Kenyans in simple "layman/woman" fashion - but all the same is significant. It is high time Kenyans are involved in Laws that govern them. In this country, ordinary Kenyans NEVER know when Laws are being grafted, what they contain (we must begin to have the capacity to articulate the content of laws in simple ways for ordinary Kenyans to engage - I believe this is the essence of the spirit of the constitution in DEMANDING citizen engagement). If other countries can do it, why can't we? I remember being in South Africa when they were developing their Convergence Law - the portfolio committee (read parliamentary committee) had public forums to solicit submissions (not in exclusive locations) - as their process demands public opinion. In our telecom and regulation class, we scrutinized the draft and actually wrote submissions. While we will give you substance in reviewing the draft Law, let Kenyans have their say! Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca ________________________________________ From: bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 17 November 2010 23:42 To: Edith Adera Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya Edith, My Mombasa proposal is not cast in any stonem. It just because I have had more successes there than here in Nairobi. We can have a meeting anywhere if we all are committed to coming up with a good policy framework. I do not know about the net and random catches. I need serious input. Democracy by nature is anarchical and the greater you try to cover more people, the more expensive and the less likely in becomes to progress the law. This is a well founded theory and that is the reason expert opinion is more valuable at this stage. The people will be taken care of by their reps unless you made the mistake to pass the supreme governance document. Ndemo. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 23:00:10 To: bitange@jambo.co.ke<bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya Bwana Ndemo, This time around I'm not convinced. The major concern is that Mombasa gives you an "exclusive group of people", the "usual suspects". In the spririt of the new constitution I think we need to cast our net wider...involve more Kenyans. We must lead by example in showing how the latest technology - both old and new - can be used to engage Kenyans. For example your PS colleague from Ministry of Roads was on radio and TV last week being grilled by Kenyans about the plans for our roads and people asked him tough questions (sms feedback was also integrated into the show). We need to see more innovative ways to engage Kenyans. my two cents Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca ________________________________________ From: bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 17 November 2010 10:20 To: Edith Adera Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya Edith, Due to our peculiarities and need for consistent participation Mombasa seems to be the Dawa. Everytime we plan a two day conference around the city, people either choose to attend one day or intermintently while attending to other needs. In the end it takes you longer to get any concesus. I let you to try this because in the end it becomes expensive. Regards Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 21:51:30 To: bitange@jambo.co.ke<bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya Bwana Ndemo, This is "music to my ears". It's gratifying to see that citizens are now placed at the heart of policy-making in Kenya! Incidentally, we have just approved funding for a comprehensive study to review "the right to information and citizen participation in parliamentary affairs in Kenya" - we hope that the findings will inform the review of policies and standing orders to entrench citizen participation in parliament. Can we find more effective and less expensive ways of engaging citizens in policymaking processes, must it be Mombasa? why not a decent hall in the suburbs where ordinary Kenyans can also give their views? Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca ________________________________________ From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 16 November 2010 16:54 To: Edith Adera Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya Listers Talking of reforms. We have posted two Bills, that is the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya and the Independent Media Council, on www.information.go.ke. The two far reaching pieces of legislation were necessitated by the new Constitution. I need your input by mid January before we plan a major conference (the constitution requires comprehensive stakeholder participation before any policy proposal becomes law) in Mombasa. After we establish concesus the Bills will be sent to the Kenya Law Reform then Constitutional Implementation Committee then the AG's office and finally to Parliament. We will get another chance to view the Bills after the first reading in Parliament. The whole process is to take less than six months. The Freedom of Information and Data Protection Bills are making progress too and we shall keep you updated. Regards Ndemo.
Dr. Ndemo, you are right that we are overdue for comprehensive reforms when it comes to how we run and manage our parastatals.
However, I think that is exactly the kind of change that Yawe is proposing to bring about. I'm delighted that someone like Yawe who obviously has extensive experience in converging ICT with business, can be bold enough to stand up and say I can do it. Barack Obama in his book Dreams of My Father spoke about how leaders seeking the highest elective office must have an outsized ego. They must believe that they can do something better than everyone else, even if that something seems impossible. With Yawe, I can personally say that he has the brains, skills, motivation and ego to meet the challenges of being the post-master general.
Look forward to your appointment Yawe.
With Kind Regards, Harry Karanja Senior Consultant, EVA
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Jane, You are right to some extent. Ministries do not have unlimited power over their parastatals. You recall as Hon. Michuki cleaned the Transport ministry, the Ports Authority was at the verge of collapse. There are intricacies in the running of state corporations that you are not aware of. They are managed by many agencies such as the State Corporations Advisory Council, Inspector General of State Corporations and not forgetting the unions. It is not as simple as you think. Several variables affect the way they operate. Comprehensive reforms may be necessary.
Ndemo.
Hi Robert,
Thank you for a very well outlined vision. How I wish the appointing authority would give you an opportunity.
Meanwhile,I choose to strongly disagree with Bwana PS in regard to the legacy issues he raised.
Yawe's vision is comprised of income generating ideas e.g.Renting out banking hall space, Advertising, Selling airtime etc,very minimal resources are required and if anything the organisation would be assured of immediate returns.From the vision I also see numerous job opportunities being created through Ecomerce and the eventual door delivery of mail.
Listers, I draw inspiration from how Hon Michuki transformed the public transport sector. He used the same staff his predecessors had used,no retraining,no retrenchment or work force overhaul;just a man who decided to bring sanity on the roads and sanity he brought. Similarly,it also took one man,same task force,same conditions,to undo all what had been done by Hon Michuki at Ministry of Transport. Again Hon Michuki moved to Min of Enviroment,we could have heard excuses of how much resources were needed to clean Nairobi river........................again the river got cleaned.
Personally I believe its all dependent on the person at the top. Under our current situation I dont expect Yawe to immediately replace Maj Gen Hussein Ali but the least I would have expected is in the meantime Yawe be introduced to the Post Master General to share on how some of his ideas can be implemented as we wait for the resource and legacy issues to get resolved.
Jane Kagiri kagirijane@yahoo.com
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Hi Folks, May I take this opportunity to sway you away from the monotony of discussing where the next forum for deliberating on the two bills should be to the real issues in the two bills. The two bills are for the creation of independent institutions of the Media Council and the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya. I must pat the drafters of these two bills on their backs for having identified the actual areas of concern and their attempts to realign them with articles 34 (3) & (5) of the constitution. It is important for us to address the issues raised in this bills in an attempt to come up with bills that will guarantee the existence of a wide range of independent and autonomous media in the broadcasting sub-sector. of course proportionate regulation is essential to guarantee the freedom of media while at the same time ensuring a balance between that freedom and other legitimate rights and interests. Perhaps most importantly in order to preserve broadcasting as part of the democratic process, we should aim at creating independence in regulatory institutions dealing with broadcasting in the sector. the question that begs in the minds of many is who is real an independent regulator? According to Eva Solomon, an independent regulator can be obtained by using the following criteria; * Means of appointment: should be clearly set out in law and should be done in a democratic and transparent manner. * Remit of the regulatory authority: duties and responsibilities of an independent regulator should be clearly set out in law as should the means through which they will be held accountable. * Terms for termination of appointment: one of the most invidious ways in which a regulatory authority can be subject to political pressure and influence is through the threat of dismissal. Thus the law must state clearly the factors which may lead to dismissal. * Funding: funding can be used as a means of exerting political pressure. Terms of funding should be set out in law, and whenever possible be kept separate from any potential political interference. * Conflicts of interest: apart from being independent of political forces, members of the regulatory authority must be free from any potential personal conflict of interest with the broadcasting sector. Perhaps, based on the above arguments, folks; you can analyze the two bills and see if they actually meet the above criteria and/or propose appropriate changes in order to expedite the process before the next forum. I want to propose that in order to overcome the potential contravention of chapter 15 of the new constitution, the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya be named Independent Communications Regulatory Authority of Kenya (ICRAK). -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+wangusi=cck.go.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+wangusi=cck.go.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 11:43 PM To: Wangusi, Francis Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya Edith, My Mombasa proposal is not cast in any stonem. It just because I have had more successes there than here in Nairobi. We can have a meeting anywhere if we all are committed to coming up with a good policy framework. I do not know about the net and random catches. I need serious input. Democracy by nature is anarchical and the greater you try to cover more people, the more expensive and the less likely in becomes to progress the law. This is a well founded theory and that is the reason expert opinion is more valuable at this stage. The people will be taken care of by their reps unless you made the mistake to pass the supreme governance document. Ndemo. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 23:00:10 To: bitange@jambo.co.ke<bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya Bwana Ndemo, This time around I'm not convinced. The major concern is that Mombasa gives you an "exclusive group of people", the "usual suspects". In the spririt of the new constitution I think we need to cast our net wider...involve more Kenyans. We must lead by example in showing how the latest technology - both old and new - can be used to engage Kenyans. For example your PS colleague from Ministry of Roads was on radio and TV last week being grilled by Kenyans about the plans for our roads and people asked him tough questions (sms feedback was also integrated into the show). We need to see more innovative ways to engage Kenyans. my two cents Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca ________________________________________ From: bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 17 November 2010 10:20 To: Edith Adera Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya Edith, Due to our peculiarities and need for consistent participation Mombasa seems to be the Dawa. Everytime we plan a two day conference around the city, people either choose to attend one day or intermintently while attending to other needs. In the end it takes you longer to get any concesus. I let you to try this because in the end it becomes expensive. Regards Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 21:51:30 To: bitange@jambo.co.ke<bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya Bwana Ndemo, This is "music to my ears". It's gratifying to see that citizens are now placed at the heart of policy-making in Kenya! Incidentally, we have just approved funding for a comprehensive study to review "the right to information and citizen participation in parliamentary affairs in Kenya" - we hope that the findings will inform the review of policies and standing orders to entrench citizen participation in parliament. Can we find more effective and less expensive ways of engaging citizens in policymaking processes, must it be Mombasa? why not a decent hall in the suburbs where ordinary Kenyans can also give their views? Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca ________________________________________ From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 16 November 2010 16:54 To: Edith Adera Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya Listers Talking of reforms. We have posted two Bills, that is the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya and the Independent Media Council, on www.information.go.ke. The two far reaching pieces of legislation were necessitated by the new Constitution. I need your input by mid January before we plan a major conference (the constitution requires comprehensive stakeholder participation before any policy proposal becomes law) in Mombasa. After we establish concesus the Bills will be sent to the Kenya Law Reform then Constitutional Implementation Committee then the AG's office and finally to Parliament. We will get another chance to view the Bills after the first reading in Parliament. The whole process is to take less than six months. The Freedom of Information and Data Protection Bills are making progress too and we shall keep you updated. Regards Ndemo.
Dr. Ndemo, you are right that we are overdue for comprehensive reforms when it comes to how we run and manage our parastatals.
However, I think that is exactly the kind of change that Yawe is proposing to bring about. I'm delighted that someone like Yawe who obviously has extensive experience in converging ICT with business, can be bold enough to stand up and say I can do it. Barack Obama in his book Dreams of My Father spoke about how leaders seeking the highest elective office must have an outsized ego. They must believe that they can do something better than everyone else, even if that something seems impossible. With Yawe, I can personally say that he has the brains, skills, motivation and ego to meet the challenges of being the post-master general.
Look forward to your appointment Yawe.
With Kind Regards, Harry Karanja Senior Consultant, EVA
Eva - The Executive Virtual Assistant who saves you time and money, and increases your revenue by handling customer care, sales & marketing, website marketing, and appointments at an affordable monthly price. A service by Business Made Simple Genius Executive Centre. 15th Floor View Park Towers, Nairobi Kenya PO Box 40665 Nairobi 00100 Tel: +254-20-2321294 Mobile: +254-751-773-087 Email: sales@eva.co.ke | www.eva.co.ke ï Thank you for considering the environmental impact of printing emails.
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+kairo=softlaw.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kairo=softlaw.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 10:03 PM To: kairo@softlaw.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Yawe for Post Master General
Jane, You are right to some extent. Ministries do not have unlimited power over their parastatals. You recall as Hon. Michuki cleaned the Transport ministry, the Ports Authority was at the verge of collapse. There are intricacies in the running of state corporations that you are not aware of. They are managed by many agencies such as the State Corporations Advisory Council, Inspector General of State Corporations and not forgetting the unions. It is not as simple as you think. Several variables affect the way they operate. Comprehensive reforms may be necessary.
Ndemo.
Hi Robert,
Thank you for a very well outlined vision. How I wish the appointing authority would give you an opportunity.
Meanwhile,I choose to strongly disagree with Bwana PS in regard to the legacy issues he raised.
Yawe's vision is comprised of income generating ideas e.g.Renting out banking hall space, Advertising, Selling airtime etc,very minimal resources are required and if anything the organisation would be assured of immediate returns.From the vision I also see numerous job opportunities being created through Ecomerce and the eventual door delivery of mail.
Listers, I draw inspiration from how Hon Michuki transformed the public transport sector. He used the same staff his predecessors had used,no retraining,no retrenchment or work force overhaul;just a man who decided to bring sanity on the roads and sanity he brought. Similarly,it also took one man,same task force,same conditions,to undo all what had been done by Hon Michuki at Ministry of Transport. Again Hon Michuki moved to Min of Enviroment,we could have heard excuses of how much resources were needed to clean Nairobi river........................again the river got cleaned.
Personally I believe its all dependent on the person at the top. Under our current situation I dont expect Yawe to immediately replace Maj Gen Hussein Ali but the least I would have expected is in the meantime Yawe be introduced to the Post Master General to share on how some of his ideas can be implemented as we wait for the resource and legacy issues to get resolved.
Jane Kagiri kagirijane@yahoo.com
Its impossible to build a tribute of success on a foundation of excuses.
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Dear Bw Wangusi - thank you for making the effort to articulate the areas that we need to mapped onto the Independent CCK bill. I think this forms an important foundation for discourse and debate on this list and other fora in preparation for the final forum which I expect to be rounding up findings rather than starting discussion from point A. I think the stakeholdler groups should carry out rigourous discussion and preparation before the forum and, from experience and for practical purposes, the forum should be be held as a RETREAT (where there is 100% concentration) for key experts and representatives of the wider communities. Kind Regards, Waudo On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 08:29 +0300, "Wangusi, Francis" <Wangusi@cck.go.ke> wrote:
Hi Folks, May I take this opportunity to sway you away from the monotony of discussing where the next forum for deliberating on the two bills should be to the real issues in the two bills. The two bills are for the creation of independent institutions of the Media Council and the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya. I must pat the drafters of these two bills on their backs for having identified the actual areas of concern and their attempts to realign them with articles 34 (3) & (5) of the constitution. It is important for us to address the issues raised in this bills in an attempt to come up with bills that will guarantee the existence of a wide range of independent and autonomous media in the broadcasting sub-sector. of course proportionate regulation is essential to guarantee the freedom of media while at the same time ensuring a balance between that freedom and other legitimate rights and interests. Perhaps most importantly in order to preserve broadcasting as part of the democratic process, we should aim at creating independence in regulatory institutions dealing with broadcasting in the sector. the question that begs in the minds of many is who is real an independent regulator? According to Eva Solomon, an independent regulator can be obtained by using the following criteria; * Means of appointment: should be clearly set out in law and should be done in a democratic and transparent manner. * Remit of the regulatory authority: duties and responsibilities of an independent regulator should be clearly set out in law as should the means through which they will be held accountable. * Terms for termination of appointment: one of the most invidious ways in which a regulatory authority can be subject to political pressure and influence is through the threat of dismissal. Thus the law must state clearly the factors which may lead to dismissal. * Funding: funding can be used as a means of exerting political pressure. Terms of funding should be set out in law, and whenever possible be kept separate from any potential political interference. * Conflicts of interest: apart from being independent of political forces, members of the regulatory authority must be free from any potential personal conflict of interest with the broadcasting sector. Perhaps, based on the above arguments, folks; you can analyze the two bills and see if they actually meet the above criteria and/or propose appropriate changes in order to expedite the process before the next forum. I want to propose that in order to overcome the potential contravention of chapter 15 of the new constitution, the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya be named Independent Communications Regulatory Authority of Kenya (ICRAK).
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+wangusi=cck.go.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+wangusi=cck.go.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 11:43 PM To: Wangusi, Francis Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya
Edith, My Mombasa proposal is not cast in any stonem. It just because I have had more successes there than here in Nairobi. We can have a meeting anywhere if we all are committed to coming up with a good policy framework. I do not know about the net and random catches. I need serious input.
Democracy by nature is anarchical and the greater you try to cover more people, the more expensive and the less likely in becomes to progress the law. This is a well founded theory and that is the reason expert opinion is more valuable at this stage. The people will be taken care of by their reps unless you made the mistake to pass the supreme governance document.
Ndemo. Ndemo.
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Bwana Ndemo,
This time around I'm not convinced. The major concern is that Mombasa gives you an "exclusive group of people", the "usual suspects".
In the spririt of the new constitution I think we need to cast our net wider...involve more Kenyans. We must lead by example in showing how the latest technology - both old and new - can be used to engage Kenyans. For example your PS colleague from Ministry of Roads was on radio and TV last week being grilled by Kenyans about the plans for our roads and people asked him tough questions (sms feedback was also integrated into the show). We need to see more innovative ways to engage Kenyans.
my two cents
Edith
________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca ________________________________________ From: bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 17 November 2010 10:20 To: Edith Adera Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya
Edith, Due to our peculiarities and need for consistent participation Mombasa seems to be the Dawa. Everytime we plan a two day conference around the city, people either choose to attend one day or intermintently while attending to other needs. In the end it takes you longer to get any concesus. I let you to try this because in the end it becomes expensive.
Regards
Ndemo.
Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Bwana Ndemo,
This is "music to my ears". It's gratifying to see that citizens are now placed at the heart of policy-making in Kenya!
Incidentally, we have just approved funding for a comprehensive study to review "the right to information and citizen participation in parliamentary affairs in Kenya" - we hope that the findings will inform the review of policies and standing orders to entrench citizen participation in parliament.
Can we find more effective and less expensive ways of engaging citizens in policymaking processes, must it be Mombasa? why not a decent hall in the suburbs where ordinary Kenyans can also give their views?
Edith
________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca ________________________________________ From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 16 November 2010 16:54 To: Edith Adera Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya
Listers Talking of reforms. We have posted two Bills, that is the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya and the Independent Media Council, on www.information.go.ke. The two far reaching pieces of legislation were necessitated by the new Constitution. I need your input by mid January before we plan a major conference (the constitution requires comprehensive stakeholder participation before any policy proposal becomes law) in Mombasa. After we establish concesus the Bills will be sent to the Kenya Law Reform then Constitutional Implementation Committee then the AG's office and finally to Parliament. We will get another chance to view the Bills after the first reading in Parliament. The whole process is to take less than six months.
The Freedom of Information and Data Protection Bills are making progress too and we shall keep you updated.
Regards
Ndemo.
Dr. Ndemo, you are right that we are overdue for comprehensive reforms when it comes to how we run and manage our parastatals.
However, I think that is exactly the kind of change that Yawe is proposing to bring about. I'm delighted that someone like Yawe who obviously has extensive experience in converging ICT with business, can be bold enough to stand up and say I can do it. Barack Obama in his book Dreams of My Father spoke about how leaders seeking the highest elective office must have an outsized ego. They must believe that they can do something better than everyone else, even if that something seems impossible. With Yawe, I can personally say that he has the brains, skills, motivation and ego to meet the challenges of being the post-master general.
Look forward to your appointment Yawe.
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Jane, You are right to some extent. Ministries do not have unlimited power over their parastatals. You recall as Hon. Michuki cleaned the Transport ministry, the Ports Authority was at the verge of collapse. There are intricacies in the running of state corporations that you are not aware of. They are managed by many agencies such as the State Corporations Advisory Council, Inspector General of State Corporations and not forgetting the unions. It is not as simple as you think. Several variables affect the way they operate. Comprehensive reforms may be necessary.
Ndemo.
Hi Robert,
Thank you for a very well outlined vision. How I wish the appointing authority would give you an opportunity.
Meanwhile,I choose to strongly disagree with Bwana PS in regard to the legacy issues he raised.
Yawe's vision is comprised of income generating ideas e.g.Renting out banking hall space, Advertising, Selling airtime etc,very minimal resources are required and if anything the organisation would be assured of immediate returns.From the vision I also see numerous job opportunities being created through Ecomerce and the eventual door delivery of mail.
Listers, I draw inspiration from how Hon Michuki transformed the public transport sector. He used the same staff his predecessors had used,no retraining,no retrenchment or work force overhaul;just a man who decided to bring sanity on the roads and sanity he brought. Similarly,it also took one man,same task force,same conditions,to undo all what had been done by Hon Michuki at Ministry of Transport. Again Hon Michuki moved to Min of Enviroment,we could have heard excuses of how much resources were needed to clean Nairobi river........................again the river got cleaned.
Personally I believe its all dependent on the person at the top. Under our current situation I dont expect Yawe to immediately replace Maj Gen Hussein Ali but the least I would have expected is in the meantime Yawe be introduced to the Post Master General to share on how some of his ideas can be implemented as we wait for the resource and legacy issues to get resolved.
Jane Kagiri kagirijane@yahoo.com
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Mr Wangusi, This is very informative and would help steer the discussion in the right direction. It may help to trickle it down further with a few clear questions . My experience with Kictanet is that if issues are just lumped together people will talk 'above each others heads' and also 'above the issues'. My proposal is maybe to start with one Bill and break down what the key issues are that may require further discussion. Hopefully someone will be collating these with a view to the wider discussions whether in Mombasa, Siaya or Seychelles :-). Therefore, you could break the discussions with the following two headings so it is clear what people are focusing on: Bill 1: The creation of Independent Institutions of the Media Council Bill 2: The creation of the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya. There would also be a little background information, such as, reminding people what is contained in Articles 34 (3) & (5) of the Constitution...even in summary form. I can already see a question tucked in what you wrote....Who is real an independent regulator? It is good you give some guideline based on one author and this could be a basis of discussion but open to Stakeholder's opinions as they will put the local context in mind. This could be discussed over 1 or 2 days. Another question I see that could come at the tail end is: Is there a need to rename CCK or what you refer to as the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya? The background to this would be to overcome what you believe to be the potential contravention of Chapter 15 of the new constitution...which would be nice to summarize as well, just key highlights of concern that directly impact on the question. I hope I am on the right track with these as I have not looked at the Bills yet but just drawing from your email. Alice and Walu...your 2 cents worth here would be valuable so we can steer these discussions in the right direction. Best, Nyaki ________________________________ From: "Wangusi, Francis" <Wangusi@cck.go.ke> To: elizaslider@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 8:29:28 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya Hi Folks, May I take this opportunity to sway you away from the monotony of discussing where the next forum for deliberating on the two bills should be to the real issues in the two bills. The two bills are for the creation of independent institutions of the Media Council and the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya. I must pat the drafters of these two bills on their backs for having identified the actual areas of concern and their attempts to realign them with articles 34 (3) & (5) of the constitution. It is important for us to address the issues raised in this bills in an attempt to come up with bills that will guarantee the existence of a wide range of independent and autonomous media in the broadcasting sub-sector. of course proportionate regulation is essential to guarantee the freedom of media while at the same time ensuring a balance between that freedom and other legitimate rights and interests. Perhaps most importantly in order to preserve broadcasting as part of the democratic process, we should aim at creating independence in regulatory institutions dealing with broadcasting in the sector. the question that begs in the minds of many is who is real an independent regulator? According to Eva Solomon, an independent regulator can be obtained by using the following criteria; * Means of appointment: should be clearly set out in law and should be done in a democratic and transparent manner. * Remit of the regulatory authority: duties and responsibilities of an independent regulator should be clearly set out in law as should the means through which they will be held accountable. * Terms for termination of appointment: one of the most invidious ways in which a regulatory authority can be subject to political pressure and influence is through the threat of dismissal. Thus the law must state clearly the factors which may lead to dismissal. * Funding: funding can be used as a means of exerting political pressure. Terms of funding should be set out in law, and whenever possible be kept separate from any potential political interference. * Conflicts of interest: apart from being independent of political forces, members of the regulatory authority must be free from any potential personal conflict of interest with the broadcasting sector. Perhaps, based on the above arguments, folks; you can analyze the two bills and see if they actually meet the above criteria and/or propose appropriate changes in order to expedite the process before the next forum. I want to propose that in order to overcome the potential contravention of chapter 15 of the new constitution, the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya be named Independent Communications Regulatory Authority of Kenya (ICRAK). -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+wangusi=cck.go.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+wangusi=cck.go.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 11:43 PM To: Wangusi, Francis Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya Edith, My Mombasa proposal is not cast in any stonem. It just because I have had more successes there than here in Nairobi. We can have a meeting anywhere if we all are committed to coming up with a good policy framework. I do not know about the net and random catches. I need serious input. Democracy by nature is anarchical and the greater you try to cover more people, the more expensive and the less likely in becomes to progress the law. This is a well founded theory and that is the reason expert opinion is more valuable at this stage. The people will be taken care of by their reps unless you made the mistake to pass the supreme governance document. Ndemo. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 23:00:10 To: bitange@jambo.co.ke<bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya Bwana Ndemo, This time around I'm not convinced. The major concern is that Mombasa gives you an "exclusive group of people", the "usual suspects". In the spririt of the new constitution I think we need to cast our net wider...involve more Kenyans. We must lead by example in showing how the latest technology - both old and new - can be used to engage Kenyans. For example your PS colleague from Ministry of Roads was on radio and TV last week being grilled by Kenyans about the plans for our roads and people asked him tough questions (sms feedback was also integrated into the show). We need to see more innovative ways to engage Kenyans. my two cents Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca ________________________________________ From: bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 17 November 2010 10:20 To: Edith Adera Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya Edith, Due to our peculiarities and need for consistent participation Mombasa seems to be the Dawa. Everytime we plan a two day conference around the city, people either choose to attend one day or intermintently while attending to other needs. In the end it takes you longer to get any concesus. I let you to try this because in the end it becomes expensive. Regards Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 21:51:30 To: bitange@jambo.co.ke<bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya Bwana Ndemo, This is "music to my ears". It's gratifying to see that citizens are now placed at the heart of policy-making in Kenya! Incidentally, we have just approved funding for a comprehensive study to review "the right to information and citizen participation in parliamentary affairs in Kenya" - we hope that the findings will inform the review of policies and standing orders to entrench citizen participation in parliament. Can we find more effective and less expensive ways of engaging citizens in policymaking processes, must it be Mombasa? why not a decent hall in the suburbs where ordinary Kenyans can also give their views? Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke| www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca ________________________________________ From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 16 November 2010 16:54 To: Edith Adera Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya Listers Talking of reforms. We have posted two Bills, that is the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya and the Independent Media Council, on www.information.go.ke. The two far reaching pieces of legislation were necessitated by the new Constitution. I need your input by mid January before we plan a major conference (the constitution requires comprehensive stakeholder participation before any policy proposal becomes law) in Mombasa. After we establish concesus the Bills will be sent to the Kenya Law Reform then Constitutional Implementation Committee then the AG's office and finally to Parliament. We will get another chance to view the Bills after the first reading in Parliament. The whole process is to take less than six months. The Freedom of Information and Data Protection Bills are making progress too and we shall keep you updated. Regards Ndemo.
Dr. Ndemo, you are right that we are overdue for comprehensive reforms when it comes to how we run and manage our parastatals.
However, I think that is exactly the kind of change that Yawe is proposing to bring about. I'm delighted that someone like Yawe who obviously has extensive experience in converging ICT with business, can be bold enough to stand up and say I can do it. Barack Obama in his book Dreams of My Father spoke about how leaders seeking the highest elective office must have an outsized ego. They must believe that they can do something better than everyone else, even if that something seems impossible. With Yawe, I can personally say that he has the brains, skills, motivation and ego to meet the challenges of being the post-master general.
Look forward to your appointment Yawe.
With Kind Regards, Harry Karanja Senior Consultant, EVA
Eva - The Executive Virtual Assistant who saves you time and money, and increases your revenue by handling customer care, sales & marketing, website marketing, and appointments at an affordable monthly price. A service by Business Made Simple Genius Executive Centre. 15th Floor View Park Towers, Nairobi Kenya PO Box 40665 Nairobi 00100 Tel: +254-20-2321294 Mobile: +254-751-773-087 Email: sales@eva.co.ke | www.eva.co.ke � Thank you for considering the environmental impact of printing emails.
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Jane, You are right to some extent. Ministries do not have unlimited power over their parastatals. You recall as Hon. Michuki cleaned the Transport ministry, the Ports Authority was at the verge of collapse. There are intricacies in the running of state corporations that you are not aware of. They are managed by many agencies such as the State Corporations Advisory Council, Inspector General of State Corporations and not forgetting the unions. It is not as simple as you think. Several variables affect the way they operate. Comprehensive reforms may be necessary.
Ndemo.
Hi Robert,
Thank you for a very well outlined vision. How I wish the appointing authority would give you an opportunity.
Meanwhile,I choose to strongly disagree with Bwana PS in regard to the legacy issues he raised.
Yawe's vision is comprised of income generating ideas e.g.Renting out banking hall space, Advertising, Selling airtime etc,very minimal resources are required and if anything the organisation would be assured of immediate returns.From the vision I also see numerous job opportunities being created through Ecomerce and the eventual door delivery of mail.
Listers, I draw inspiration from how Hon Michuki transformed the public transport sector. He used the same staff his predecessors had used,no retraining,no retrenchment or work force overhaul;just a man who decided to bring sanity on the roads and sanity he brought. Similarly,it also took one man,same task force,same conditions,to undo all what had been done by Hon Michuki at Ministry of Transport. Again Hon Michuki moved to Min of Enviroment,we could have heard excuses of how much resources were needed to clean Nairobi river........................again the river got cleaned.
Personally I believe its all dependent on the person at the top. Under our current situation I dont expect Yawe to immediately replace Maj Gen Hussein Ali but the least I would have expected is in the meantime Yawe be introduced to the Post Master General to share on how some of his ideas can be implemented as we wait for the resource and legacy issues to get resolved.
Jane Kagiri kagirijane@yahoo.com
Its impossible to build a tribute of success on a foundation of excuses.
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I agree with Nyaki on the need for a structured discussion, as outlined. Regards. tm On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 5:02 AM, Catherine Adeya <elizaslider@yahoo.com>wrote:
Mr Wangusi,
This is very informative and would help steer the discussion in the right direction. It may help to trickle it down further with a few clear questions . My experience with Kictanet is that if issues are just lumped together people will talk 'above each others heads' and also 'above the issues'. My proposal is maybe to start with one Bill and break down what the key issues are that may require further discussion. Hopefully someone will be collating these with a view to the wider discussions whether in Mombasa, Siaya or Seychelles :-).
Therefore, you could break the discussions with the following two headings so it is clear what people are focusing on:
Bill 1: The creation of Independent Institutions of the Media Council Bill 2: The creation of the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya.
There would also be a little background information, such as, reminding people what is contained in Articles 34 (3) & (5) of the Constitution...even in summary form.
I can already see a question tucked in what you wrote....Who is real an independent regulator? It is good you give some guideline based on one author and this could be a basis of discussion but open to Stakeholder's opinions as they will put the local context in mind. This could be discussed over 1 or 2 days.
Another question I see that could come at the tail end is: Is there a need to rename CCK or what you refer to as the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya? The background to this would be to overcome what you believe to be the potential contravention of Chapter 15 of the new constitution...which would be nice to summarize as well, just key highlights of concern that directly impact on the question.
I hope I am on the right track with these as I have not looked at the Bills yet but just drawing from your email. Alice and Walu...your 2 cents worth here would be valuable so we can steer these discussions in the right direction.
Best,
Nyaki
------------------------------ *From:* "Wangusi, Francis" <Wangusi@cck.go.ke> *To:* elizaslider@yahoo.com
*Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Thu, November 18, 2010 8:29:28 AM
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya
Hi Folks, May I take this opportunity to sway you away from the monotony of discussing where the next forum for deliberating on the two bills should be to the real issues in the two bills. The two bills are for the creation of independent institutions of the Media Council and the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya. I must pat the drafters of these two bills on their backs for having identified the actual areas of concern and their attempts to realign them with articles 34 (3) & (5) of the constitution. It is important for us to address the issues raised in this bills in an attempt to come up with bills that will guarantee the existence of a wide range of independent and autonomous media in the broadcasting sub-sector. of course proportionate regulation is essential to guarantee the freedom of media while at the same time ensuring a balance between that freedom and other legitimate rights and interests. Perhaps most importantly in order to preserve broadcasting as part of the democratic process, we should aim at creating independence in regulatory institutions dealing with broadcasting in the sector. the question that begs in the minds of many is who is real an independent regulator? According to Eva Solomon, an independent regulator can be obtained by using the following criteria; * Means of appointment: should be clearly set out in law and should be done in a democratic and transparent manner. * Remit of the regulatory authority: duties and responsibilities of an independent regulator should be clearly set out in law as should the means through which they will be held accountable. * Terms for termination of appointment: one of the most invidious ways in which a regulatory authority can be subject to political pressure and influence is through the threat of dismissal. Thus the law must state clearly the factors which may lead to dismissal. * Funding: funding can be used as a means of exerting political pressure. Terms of funding should be set out in law, and whenever possible be kept separate from any potential political interference. * Conflicts of interest: apart from being independent of political forces, members of the regulatory authority must be free from any potential personal conflict of interest with the broadcasting sector. Perhaps, based on the above arguments, folks; you can analyze the two bills and see if they actually meet the above criteria and/or propose appropriate changes in order to expedite the process before the next forum. I want to propose that in order to overcome the potential contravention of chapter 15 of the new constitution, the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya be named Independent Communications Regulatory Authority of Kenya (ICRAK).
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+wangusi=cck.go.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto: kictanet-bounces+wangusi <kictanet-bounces%2Bwangusi>= cck.go.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 11:43 PM To: Wangusi, Francis Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya
Edith, My Mombasa proposal is not cast in any stonem. It just because I have had more successes there than here in Nairobi. We can have a meeting anywhere if we all are committed to coming up with a good policy framework. I do not know about the net and random catches. I need serious input.
Democracy by nature is anarchical and the greater you try to cover more people, the more expensive and the less likely in becomes to progress the law. This is a well founded theory and that is the reason expert opinion is more valuable at this stage. The people will be taken care of by their reps unless you made the mistake to pass the supreme governance document.
Ndemo. Ndemo.
Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Bwana Ndemo,
This time around I'm not convinced. The major concern is that Mombasa gives you an "exclusive group of people", the "usual suspects".
In the spririt of the new constitution I think we need to cast our net wider...involve more Kenyans. We must lead by example in showing how the latest technology - both old and new - can be used to engage Kenyans. For example your PS colleague from Ministry of Roads was on radio and TV last week being grilled by Kenyans about the plans for our roads and people asked him tough questions (sms feedback was also integrated into the show). We need to see more innovative ways to engage Kenyans.
my two cents
Edith
________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca________________________________________ From: bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 17 November 2010 10:20 To: Edith Adera Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya
Edith, Due to our peculiarities and need for consistent participation Mombasa seems to be the Dawa. Everytime we plan a two day conference around the city, people either choose to attend one day or intermintently while attending to other needs. In the end it takes you longer to get any concesus. I let you to try this because in the end it becomes expensive.
Regards
Ndemo.
Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Bwana Ndemo,
This is "music to my ears". It's gratifying to see that citizens are now placed at the heart of policy-making in Kenya!
Incidentally, we have just approved funding for a comprehensive study to review "the right to information and citizen participation in parliamentary affairs in Kenya" - we hope that the findings will inform the review of policies and standing orders to entrench citizen participation in parliament.
Can we find more effective and less expensive ways of engaging citizens in policymaking processes, must it be Mombasa? why not a decent hall in the suburbs where ordinary Kenyans can also give their views?
Edith
________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca________________________________________ From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke[kictanet-bounces+eadera= idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke [ bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 16 November 2010 16:54 To: Edith Adera Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya
Listers Talking of reforms. We have posted two Bills, that is the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya and the Independent Media Council, on www.information.go.ke. The two far reaching pieces of legislation were necessitated by the new Constitution. I need your input by mid January before we plan a major conference (the constitution requires comprehensive stakeholder participation before any policy proposal becomes law) in Mombasa. After we establish concesus the Bills will be sent to the Kenya Law Reform then Constitutional Implementation Committee then the AG's office and finally to Parliament. We will get another chance to view the Bills after the first reading in Parliament. The whole process is to take less than six months.
The Freedom of Information and Data Protection Bills are making progress too and we shall keep you updated.
Regards
Ndemo.
Dr. Ndemo, you are right that we are overdue for comprehensive reforms when it comes to how we run and manage our parastatals.
However, I think that is exactly the kind of change that Yawe is proposing to bring about. I'm delighted that someone like Yawe who obviously has extensive experience in converging ICT with business, can be bold enough to stand up and say I can do it. Barack Obama in his book Dreams of My Father spoke about how leaders seeking the highest elective office must have an outsized ego. They must believe that they can do something better than everyone else, even if that something seems impossible. With Yawe, I can personally say that he has the brains, skills, motivation and ego to meet the challenges of being the post-master general.
Look forward to your appointment Yawe.
With Kind Regards, Harry Karanja Senior Consultant, EVA
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Jane, You are right to some extent. Ministries do not have unlimited power over their parastatals. You recall as Hon. Michuki cleaned the Transport ministry, the Ports Authority was at the verge of collapse. There are intricacies in the running of state corporations that you are not aware of. They are managed by many agencies such as the State Corporations Advisory Council, Inspector General of State Corporations and not forgetting the unions. It is not as simple as you think. Several variables affect the way they operate. Comprehensive reforms may be necessary.
Ndemo.
Hi Robert,
Thank you for a very well outlined vision. How I wish the appointing authority would give you an opportunity.
Meanwhile,I choose to strongly disagree with Bwana PS in regard to the legacy issues he raised.
Yawe's vision is comprised of income generating ideas e.g.Renting out banking hall space, Advertising, Selling airtime etc,very minimal resources are required and if anything the organisation would be assured of immediate returns.From the vision I also see numerous job opportunities being created through Ecomerce and the eventual door delivery of mail.
Listers, I draw inspiration from how Hon Michuki transformed the public transport sector. He used the same staff his predecessors had used,no retraining,no retrenchment or work force overhaul;just a man who decided to bring sanity on the roads and sanity he brought. Similarly,it also took one man,same task force,same conditions,to undo all what had been done by Hon Michuki at Ministry of Transport. Again Hon Michuki moved to Min of Enviroment,we could have heard excuses of how much resources were needed to clean Nairobi river........................again the river got cleaned.
Personally I believe its all dependent on the person at the top. Under our current situation I dont expect Yawe to immediately replace Maj Gen Hussein Ali but the least I would have expected is in the meantime Yawe be introduced to the Post Master General to share on how some of his ideas can be implemented as we wait for the resource and legacy issues to get resolved.
Jane Kagiri kagirijane@yahoo.com
Its impossible to build a tribute of success on a foundation of excuses.
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I kindly request that who ever has the soft copies of the Bills attach the same. ________________________________ From: waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> To: volunga@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnetICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Sun, November 21, 2010 12:05:58 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya Would appreciate is someone who has the bills can email them to me. The links at information.go.ke seem not to lead me there. Kind Regards, Waudo On Sat, 20 Nov 2010 19:47 -0800, "Mwololo Tim" <timwololo@gmail.com> wrote: I agree with Nyaki on the need for a structured discussion, as outlined. Regards. tm
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 5:02 AM, Catherine Adeya <elizaslider@yahoo.com> wrote:
Mr Wangusi,
This is very informative and would help steer the discussion in the right direction. It may help to trickle it down further with a few clear questions . My experience with Kictanet is that if issues are just lumped together people will talk 'above each others heads' and also 'above the issues'. My proposal is maybe to start with one Bill and break down what the key issues are that may require further discussion. Hopefully someone will be collating these with a view to the wider discussions whether in Mombasa, Siaya or Seychelles :-).
Therefore, you could break the discussions with the following two headings so it is clear what people are focusing on: Bill 1: The creation of Independent Institutions of the Media Council Bill 2: The creation of the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya.
There would also be a little background information, such as, reminding people what is contained in Articles 34 (3) & (5) of the Constitution...even in summary form.
I can already see a question tucked in what you wrote....Who is real an independent regulator? It is good you give some guideline based on one author and this could be a basis of discussion but open to Stakeholder's opinions as they will put the local context in mind. This could be discussed over 1 or 2 days.
Another question I see that could come at the tail end is: Is there a need to rename CCK or what you refer to as the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya? The background to this would be to overcome what you believe to be the potential contravention of Chapter 15 of the new constitution...which would be nice to summarize as well, just key highlights of concern that directly impact on the question. I hope I am on the right track with these as I have not looked at the Bills yet but just drawing from your email.
Alice and Walu...your 2 cents worth here would be valuable so we can steer these discussions in the right direction.
Best,
Nyaki
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Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 8:29:28 AM
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya
Hi Folks, May I take this opportunity to sway you away from the monotony of discussing where the next forum for deliberating on the two bills should be to the real issues in the two bills. The two bills are for the creation of independent institutions of the Media Council and the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya. I must pat the drafters of these two bills on their backs for having identified the actual areas of concern and their attempts to realign them with articles 34 (3) & (5) of the constitution. It is important for us to address the issues raised in this bills in an attempt to come up with bills that will guarantee the existence of a wide range of independent and autonomous media in the broadcasting sub-sector. of course proportionate regulation is essential to guarantee the freedom of media while at the same time ensuring a balance between that freedom and other legitimate rights and interests. Perhaps most importantly in order to preserve broadcasting as part of the democratic process, we should aim at creating independence in regulatory institutions dealing with broadcasting in the sector. the question that begs in the minds of many is who is real an independent regulator? According to Eva Solomon, an independent regulator can be obtained by using the following criteria; * Means of appointment: should be clearly set out in law and should be done in a democratic and transparent manner. * Remit of the regulatory authority: duties and responsibilities of an independent regulator should be clearly set out in law as should the means through which they will be held accountable. * Terms for termination of appointment: one of the most invidious ways in which a regulatory authority can be subject to political pressure and influence is through the threat of dismissal. Thus the law must state clearly the factors which may lead to dismissal. * Funding: funding can be used as a means of exerting political pressure. Terms of funding should be set out in law, and whenever possible be kept separate from any potential political interference. * Conflicts of interest: apart from being independent of political forces, members of the regulatory authority must be free from any potential personal conflict of interest with the broadcasting sector. Perhaps, based on the above arguments, folks; you can analyze the two bills and see if they actually meet the above criteria and/or propose appropriate changes in order to expedite the process before the next forum. I want to propose that in order to overcome the potential contravention of chapter 15 of the new constitution, the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya be named Independent Communications Regulatory Authority of Kenya (ICRAK).
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Edith, My Mombasa proposal is not cast in any stonem. It just because I have had more successes there than here in Nairobi. We can have a meeting anywhere if we all are committed to coming up with a good policy framework. I do not know about the net and random catches. I need serious input.
Democracy by nature is anarchical and the greater you try to cover more people, the more expensive and the less likely in becomes to progress the law. This is a well founded theory and that is the reason expert opinion is more valuable at this stage. The people will be taken care of by their reps unless you made the mistake to pass the supreme governance document.
Ndemo. Ndemo.
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Bwana Ndemo,
This time around I'm not convinced. The major concern is that Mombasa gives you an "exclusive group of people", the "usual suspects".
In the spririt of the new constitution I think we need to cast our net wider...involve more Kenyans. We must lead by example in showing how the latest technology - both old and new - can be used to engage Kenyans. For example your PS colleague from Ministry of Roads was on radio and TV last week being grilled by Kenyans about the plans for our roads and people asked him tough questions (sms feedback was also integrated into the show). We need to see more innovative ways to engage Kenyans.
my two cents
Edith
________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca ________________________________________ From: bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 17 November 2010 10:20 To: Edith Adera Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya
Edith, Due to our peculiarities and need for consistent participation Mombasa seems to be the Dawa. Everytime we plan a two day conference around the city, people either choose to attend one day or intermintently while attending to other needs. In the end it takes you longer to get any concesus. I let you to try this because in the end it becomes expensive.
Regards
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Bwana Ndemo,
This is "music to my ears". It's gratifying to see that citizens are now placed at the heart of policy-making in Kenya!
Incidentally, we have just approved funding for a comprehensive study to review "the right to information and citizen participation in parliamentary affairs in Kenya" - we hope that the findings will inform the review of policies and standing orders to entrench citizen participation in parliament.
Can we find more effective and less expensive ways of engaging citizens in policymaking processes, must it be Mombasa? why not a decent hall in the suburbs where ordinary Kenyans can also give their views?
Edith
________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke| www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca ________________________________________ From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 16 November 2010 16:54 To: Edith Adera Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya
Listers Talking of reforms. We have posted two Bills, that is the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya and the Independent Media Council, on www.information.go.ke. The two far reaching pieces of legislation were necessitated by the new Constitution. I need your input by mid January before we plan a major conference (the constitution requires comprehensive stakeholder participation before any policy proposal becomes law) in Mombasa. After we establish concesus the Bills will be sent to the Kenya Law Reform then Constitutional Implementation Committee then the AG's office and finally to Parliament. We will get another chance to view the Bills after the first reading in Parliament. The whole process is to take less than six months.
The Freedom of Information and Data Protection Bills are making progress too and we shall keep you updated.
Regards
Ndemo.
Dr. Ndemo, you are right that we are overdue for comprehensive reforms when it comes to how we run and manage our parastatals.
However, I think that is exactly the kind of change that Yawe is proposing to bring about. I'm delighted that someone like Yawe who obviously has extensive experience in converging ICT with business, can be bold enough to stand up and say I can do it. Barack Obama in his book Dreams of My Father spoke about how leaders seeking the highest elective office must have an outsized ego. They must believe that they can do something better than everyone else, even if that something seems impossible. With Yawe, I can personally say that he has the brains, skills, motivation and ego to meet the challenges of being the post-master general.
Look forward to your appointment Yawe.
With Kind Regards, Harry Karanja Senior Consultant, EVA
Eva - The Executive Virtual Assistant who saves you time and money, and increases your revenue by handling customer care, sales & marketing, website marketing, and appointments at an affordable monthly price. A service by Business Made Simple Genius Executive Centre. 15th Floor View Park Towers, Nairobi Kenya PO Box 40665 Nairobi 00100 Tel: +254-20-2321294 Mobile: +254-751-773-087 Email: sales@eva.co.ke | www.eva.co.ke � Thank you for considering the environmental impact of printing emails.
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Jane, You are right to some extent. Ministries do not have unlimited power over their parastatals. You recall as Hon. Michuki cleaned the Transport ministry, the Ports Authority was at the verge of collapse. There are intricacies in the running of state corporations that you are not aware of. They are managed by many agencies such as the State Corporations Advisory Council, Inspector General of State Corporations and not forgetting the unions. It is not as simple as you think. Several variables affect the way they operate. Comprehensive reforms may be necessary.
Ndemo.
Hi Robert,
Thank you for a very well outlined vision. How I wish the appointing authority would give you an opportunity.
Meanwhile,I choose to strongly disagree with Bwana PS in regard to the legacy issues he raised.
Yawe's vision is comprised of income generating ideas e.g.Renting out banking hall space, Advertising, Selling airtime etc,very minimal resources are required and if anything the organisation would be assured of immediate returns.From the vision I also see numerous job opportunities being created through Ecomerce and the eventual door delivery of mail.
Listers, I draw inspiration from how Hon Michuki transformed the public transport sector. He used the same staff his predecessors had used,no retraining,no retrenchment or work force overhaul;just a man who decided to bring sanity on the roads and sanity he brought. Similarly,it also took one man,same task force,same conditions,to undo all what had been done by Hon Michuki at Ministry of Transport. Again Hon Michuki moved to Min of Enviroment,we could have heard excuses of how much resources were needed to clean Nairobi river........................again the river got cleaned.
Personally I believe its all dependent on the person at the top. Under our current situation I dont expect Yawe to immediately replace Maj Gen Hussein Ali but the least I would have expected is in the meantime Yawe be introduced to the Post Master General to share on how some of his ideas can be implemented as we wait for the resource and legacy issues to get resolved.
Jane Kagiri kagirijane@yahoo.com
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I wish people could read the bills and discuss them rather than arguing where the conference will be
@Thomas, plans are at "advanced" stage to see how these important discussions could be mounted in a more structured way. Meanwhile, Listers are encouraged to be reading the documents in preparation. walu. --- On Tue, 11/23/10, Thomas Kibui <thomas.kibui@gmail.com> wrote: From: Thomas Kibui <thomas.kibui@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, November 23, 2010, 9:15 AM I wish people could read the bills and discuss them rather than arguing where the conference will be -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: jwalu@yahoo.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com
Instead of talking about the venue of the meeting, we should look at the issues raised. There are valid points raised on the need to have these bodies established in order to have some changes in the wider communication sector. I've downloaded one of the documents and if it's fine with those who don't have them yet or have a problem in accessing them, I can convert to Word then send over. On 23/11/2010, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Thomas,
plans are at "advanced" stage to see how these important discussions could be mounted in a more structured way. Meanwhile, Listers are encouraged to be reading the documents in preparation.
walu.
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I wish people could read the bills and discuss them rather than arguing where the conference will be
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Mburu, Why MS-Word? just PDF it and send to members. I have nothing against Microsoft other than their rapid upgrades with little or no backward compatibility issues (read forced upgrades). walu. --- On Tue, 11/23/10, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote: From: Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, November 23, 2010, 11:51 AM Instead of talking about the venue of the meeting, we should look at the issues raised. There are valid points raised on the need to have these bodies established in order to have some changes in the wider communication sector. I've downloaded one of the documents and if it's fine with those who don't have them yet or have a problem in accessing them, I can convert to Word then send over. On 23/11/2010, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Thomas,
plans are at "advanced" stage to see how these important discussions could be mounted in a more structured way. Meanwhile, Listers are encouraged to be reading the documents in preparation.
walu.
--- On Tue, 11/23/10, Thomas Kibui <thomas.kibui@gmail.com> wrote:
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Walu - there are good links now on information.go.ke. Go for the 2 big links in the middle of the page rather than the small links in the bottom right. Waudo On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 10:51 +0300, "Solomon Mburu Kamau" <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
Instead of talking about the venue of the meeting, we should look at the issues raised. There are valid points raised on the need to have these bodies established in order to have some changes in the wider communication sector.
I've downloaded one of the documents and if it's fine with those who don't have them yet or have a problem in accessing them, I can convert to Word then send over.
On 23/11/2010, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Thomas,
plans are at "advanced" stage to see how these important discussions could be mounted in a more structured way. Meanwhile, Listers are encouraged to be reading the documents in preparation.
walu.
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@ Walu, I'm more conversant with MS-Word. On 23/11/2010, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:
Walu - there are good links now on information.go.ke. Go for the 2 big links in the middle of the page rather than the small links in the bottom right.
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 10:51 +0300, "Solomon Mburu Kamau" <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
Instead of talking about the venue of the meeting, we should look at the issues raised. There are valid points raised on the need to have these bodies established in order to have some changes in the wider communication sector.
I've downloaded one of the documents and if it's fine with those who don't have them yet or have a problem in accessing them, I can convert to Word then send over.
On 23/11/2010, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Thomas,
plans are at "advanced" stage to see how these important discussions could be mounted in a more structured way. Meanwhile, Listers are encouraged to be reading the documents in preparation.
walu.
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I wish people could read the bills and discuss them rather than arguing where the conference will be
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The links work perefectly. ________________________________ From: Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> To: volunga@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, November 23, 2010 2:39:00 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya @ Walu, I'm more conversant with MS-Word. On 23/11/2010, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:
Walu - there are good links now on information.go.ke. Go for the 2 big links in the middle of the page rather than the small links in the bottom right.
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 10:51 +0300, "Solomon Mburu Kamau" <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
Instead of talking about the venue of the meeting, we should look at the issues raised. There are valid points raised on the need to have these bodies established in order to have some changes in the wider communication sector.
I've downloaded one of the documents and if it's fine with those who don't have them yet or have a problem in accessing them, I can convert to Word then send over.
On 23/11/2010, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Thomas,
plans are at "advanced" stage to see how these important discussions could be mounted in a more structured way. Meanwhile, Listers are encouraged to be reading the documents in preparation.
walu.
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I wish people could read the bills and discuss them rather than arguing where the conference will be
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Francis, Your contributions are well articulated and this deserves a "big pat on the back". Independent Regulatory Authority for Kenya is long overdue, going foward. With the new constitution, this should be be fast tracted to become a reality. This Chief excutive officer of this office should have security of tenure, otherwise we will still drift back to the dark periods. The funding source arragements should have never have been what it is now if some of the contributions made years back were taken into consideration. With regard to the meeting venue, a cost effective approach should be considered, to allow for wider participation of stakeholders in all the industries invoolved. A venue in Nairobi will definitely be less costly and easier to reach than Mombasa. Reagrds Vitalis ________________________________ From: "Wangusi, Francis" <Wangusi@cck.go.ke> To: volunga@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 8:29:28 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya Hi Folks, May I take this opportunity to sway you away from the monotony of discussing where the next forum for deliberating on the two bills should be to the real issues in the two bills. The two bills are for the creation of independent institutions of the Media Council and the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya. I must pat the drafters of these two bills on their backs for having identified the actual areas of concern and their attempts to realign them with articles 34 (3) & (5) of the constitution. It is important for us to address the issues raised in this bills in an attempt to come up with bills that will guarantee the existence of a wide range of independent and autonomous media in the broadcasting sub-sector. of course proportionate regulation is essential to guarantee the freedom of media while at the same time ensuring a balance between that freedom and other legitimate rights and interests. Perhaps most importantly in order to preserve broadcasting as part of the democratic process, we should aim at creating independence in regulatory institutions dealing with broadcasting in the sector. the question that begs in the minds of many is who is real an independent regulator? According to Eva Solomon, an independent regulator can be obtained by using the following criteria; * Means of appointment: should be clearly set out in law and should be done in a democratic and transparent manner. * Remit of the regulatory authority: duties and responsibilities of an independent regulator should be clearly set out in law as should the means through which they will be held accountable. * Terms for termination of appointment: one of the most invidious ways in which a regulatory authority can be subject to political pressure and influence is through the threat of dismissal. Thus the law must state clearly the factors which may lead to dismissal. * Funding: funding can be used as a means of exerting political pressure. Terms of funding should be set out in law, and whenever possible be kept separate from any potential political interference. * Conflicts of interest: apart from being independent of political forces, members of the regulatory authority must be free from any potential personal conflict of interest with the broadcasting sector. Perhaps, based on the above arguments, folks; you can analyze the two bills and see if they actually meet the above criteria and/or propose appropriate changes in order to expedite the process before the next forum. I want to propose that in order to overcome the potential contravention of chapter 15 of the new constitution, the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya be named Independent Communications Regulatory Authority of Kenya (ICRAK). -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+wangusi=cck.go.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+wangusi=cck.go.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 11:43 PM To: Wangusi, Francis Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya Edith, My Mombasa proposal is not cast in any stonem. It just because I have had more successes there than here in Nairobi. We can have a meeting anywhere if we all are committed to coming up with a good policy framework. I do not know about the net and random catches. I need serious input. Democracy by nature is anarchical and the greater you try to cover more people, the more expensive and the less likely in becomes to progress the law. This is a well founded theory and that is the reason expert opinion is more valuable at this stage. The people will be taken care of by their reps unless you made the mistake to pass the supreme governance document. Ndemo. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 23:00:10 To: bitange@jambo.co.ke<bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya Bwana Ndemo, This time around I'm not convinced. The major concern is that Mombasa gives you an "exclusive group of people", the "usual suspects". In the spririt of the new constitution I think we need to cast our net wider...involve more Kenyans. We must lead by example in showing how the latest technology - both old and new - can be used to engage Kenyans. For example your PS colleague from Ministry of Roads was on radio and TV last week being grilled by Kenyans about the plans for our roads and people asked him tough questions (sms feedback was also integrated into the show). We need to see more innovative ways to engage Kenyans. my two cents Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca ________________________________________ From: bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 17 November 2010 10:20 To: Edith Adera Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya Edith, Due to our peculiarities and need for consistent participation Mombasa seems to be the Dawa. Everytime we plan a two day conference around the city, people either choose to attend one day or intermintently while attending to other needs. In the end it takes you longer to get any concesus. I let you to try this because in the end it becomes expensive. Regards Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 21:51:30 To: bitange@jambo.co.ke<bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya Bwana Ndemo, This is "music to my ears". It's gratifying to see that citizens are now placed at the heart of policy-making in Kenya! Incidentally, we have just approved funding for a comprehensive study to review "the right to information and citizen participation in parliamentary affairs in Kenya" - we hope that the findings will inform the review of policies and standing orders to entrench citizen participation in parliament. Can we find more effective and less expensive ways of engaging citizens in policymaking processes, must it be Mombasa? why not a decent hall in the suburbs where ordinary Kenyans can also give their views? Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca ________________________________________ From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 16 November 2010 16:54 To: Edith Adera Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Independent Communications Commission of Kenya Listers Talking of reforms. We have posted two Bills, that is the Independent Communications Commission of Kenya and the Independent Media Council, on www.information.go.ke. The two far reaching pieces of legislation were necessitated by the new Constitution. I need your input by mid January before we plan a major conference (the constitution requires comprehensive stakeholder participation before any policy proposal becomes law) in Mombasa. After we establish concesus the Bills will be sent to the Kenya Law Reform then Constitutional Implementation Committee then the AG's office and finally to Parliament. We will get another chance to view the Bills after the first reading in Parliament. The whole process is to take less than six months. The Freedom of Information and Data Protection Bills are making progress too and we shall keep you updated. Regards Ndemo.
Dr. Ndemo, you are right that we are overdue for comprehensive reforms when it comes to how we run and manage our parastatals.
However, I think that is exactly the kind of change that Yawe is proposing to bring about. I'm delighted that someone like Yawe who obviously has extensive experience in converging ICT with business, can be bold enough to stand up and say I can do it. Barack Obama in his book Dreams of My Father spoke about how leaders seeking the highest elective office must have an outsized ego. They must believe that they can do something better than everyone else, even if that something seems impossible. With Yawe, I can personally say that he has the brains, skills, motivation and ego to meet the challenges of being the post-master general.
Look forward to your appointment Yawe.
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Jane, You are right to some extent. Ministries do not have unlimited power over their parastatals. You recall as Hon. Michuki cleaned the Transport ministry, the Ports Authority was at the verge of collapse. There are intricacies in the running of state corporations that you are not aware of. They are managed by many agencies such as the State Corporations Advisory Council, Inspector General of State Corporations and not forgetting the unions. It is not as simple as you think. Several variables affect the way they operate. Comprehensive reforms may be necessary.
Ndemo.
Hi Robert,
Thank you for a very well outlined vision. How I wish the appointing authority would give you an opportunity.
Meanwhile,I choose to strongly disagree with Bwana PS in regard to the legacy issues he raised.
Yawe's vision is comprised of income generating ideas e.g.Renting out banking hall space, Advertising, Selling airtime etc,very minimal resources are required and if anything the organisation would be assured of immediate returns.From the vision I also see numerous job opportunities being created through Ecomerce and the eventual door delivery of mail.
Listers, I draw inspiration from how Hon Michuki transformed the public transport sector. He used the same staff his predecessors had used,no retraining,no retrenchment or work force overhaul;just a man who decided to bring sanity on the roads and sanity he brought. Similarly,it also took one man,same task force,same conditions,to undo all what had been done by Hon Michuki at Ministry of Transport. Again Hon Michuki moved to Min of Enviroment,we could have heard excuses of how much resources were needed to clean Nairobi river........................again the river got cleaned.
Personally I believe its all dependent on the person at the top. Under our current situation I dont expect Yawe to immediately replace Maj Gen Hussein Ali but the least I would have expected is in the meantime Yawe be introduced to the Post Master General to share on how some of his ideas can be implemented as we wait for the resource and legacy issues to get resolved.
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Thanks Dr. Ndemo, Just a small request .. would you be having the another version of the independent CCK bill without the formatting comments .. Kindly ask someone to upload it . Hii haisomeki ..
Hi, The writing is on the wall, Postal Corporation needs a new breed of leadership failing which is shall sink to the level of Kenya National Assurance, point of no return Issues of unions and pensions can be resolved by leveraging its advantages such as a national presence. We need dynamic future looking leadership that as an appreciation of the changes taking place locally and by extension globally. It was sad to hear an employee of PCK saying that she earns Ksh 14,000/- after working for over 20 years for the corporation, does PCK really have a human resource head, chief or manager? What was more telling was the brand new PCK vehicles that where packed behind the striking workers. This is a clear indication that the leadership at PCK has no clue as to what a gold mine they are literally sitting on. Based on the inflation index for Nairobi and the UNDP report on employment an employee with a family living in Nairobi and earning less than 30,000/- per month is termed as poor. PCK is impoverishing its employees by keeping them employed. We seriously need to look at converting certain jobs from permanent to part-time which would allow us to provide opportunities for our university students who spend their evenings on facebook. This will be a great opportunity to re-establish the work ethic in the next generation. I wish NTV reporters could begin to do their homework before making alarming statements that PCK is in trouble as a result of the proliferation of email and the internet. I will ask again, after you have ordered your pair of shoes online can it be delivered to you electronically? Post Corporation of Kenya is not dead, it is sedated its slumber is being externally imposed and it is time that I was given the opportunity to raise it to its true glory, but as long as this nation is run on mediocre concepts and crony rewarding systems mine shall remain, for now, a cry in the wilderness. Regards Life is not a zero sum game, for you to gain I do not need to lose. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Harry Karanja <kairo@softlaw.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, 16 November, 2010 12:33:39 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Yawe for Post Master General Dr. Ndemo, you are right that we are overdue for comprehensive reforms when it comes to how we run and manage our parastatals. However, I think that is exactly the kind of change that Yawe is proposing to bring about. I'm delighted that someone like Yawe who obviously has extensive experience in converging ICT with business, can be bold enough to stand up and say I can do it. Barack Obama in his book Dreams of My Father spoke about how leaders seeking the highest elective office must have an outsized ego. They must believe that they can do something better than everyone else, even if that something seems impossible. With Yawe, I can personally say that he has the brains, skills, motivation and ego to meet the challenges of being the post-master general. Look forward to your appointment Yawe. With Kind Regards, Harry Karanja Senior Consultant, EVA Eva - The Executive Virtual Assistant who saves you time and money, and increases your revenue by handling customer care, sales & marketing, website marketing, and appointments at an affordable monthly price. A service by Business Made Simple Genius Executive Centre. 15th Floor View Park Towers, Nairobi Kenya PO Box 40665 Nairobi 00100 Tel: +254-20-2321294 Mobile: +254-751-773-087 Email: sales@eva.co.ke | www.eva.co.ke Thank you for considering the environmental impact of printing emails. -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+kairo=softlaw.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kairo=softlaw.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 10:03 PM To: kairo@softlaw.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Yawe for Post Master General Jane, You are right to some extent. Ministries do not have unlimited power over their parastatals. You recall as Hon. Michuki cleaned the Transport ministry, the Ports Authority was at the verge of collapse. There are intricacies in the running of state corporations that you are not aware of. They are managed by many agencies such as the State Corporations Advisory Council, Inspector General of State Corporations and not forgetting the unions. It is not as simple as you think. Several variables affect the way they operate. Comprehensive reforms may be necessary. Ndemo.
Hi Robert,
Thank you for a very well outlined vision. How I wish the appointing authority would give you an opportunity.
Meanwhile,I choose to strongly disagree with Bwana PS in regard to the legacy issues he raised.
Yawe's vision is comprised of income generating ideas e.g.Renting out banking hall space, Advertising, Selling airtime etc,very minimal resources are required and if anything the organisation would be assured of immediate returns.From the vision I also see numerous job opportunities being created through Ecomerce and the eventual door delivery of mail.
Listers, I draw inspiration from how Hon Michuki transformed the public transport sector. He used the same staff his predecessors had used,no retraining,no retrenchment or work force overhaul;just a man who decided to bring sanity on the roads and sanity he brought. Similarly,it also took one man,same task force,same conditions,to undo all what had been done by Hon Michuki at Ministry of Transport. Again Hon Michuki moved to Min of Enviroment,we could have heard excuses of how much resources were needed to clean Nairobi river........................again the river got cleaned.
Personally I believe its all dependent on the person at the top. Under our current situation I dont expect Yawe to immediately replace Maj Gen Hussein Ali but the least I would have expected is in the meantime Yawe be introduced to the Post Master General to share on how some of his ideas can be implemented as we wait for the resource and legacy issues to get resolved.
Jane Kagiri kagirijane@yahoo.com
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Robert should seriously be given a seat on the Board of Directors in the Postal Corporation if the Post Master General position is not given to him.. Why not? On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 8:48 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
The writing is on the wall, Postal Corporation needs a new breed of leadership failing which is shall sink to the level of Kenya National Assurance, point of no return
Issues of unions and pensions can be resolved by leveraging its advantages such as a national presence. We need dynamic future looking leadership that as an appreciation of the changes taking place locally and by extension globally.
It was sad to hear an employee of PCK saying that she earns Ksh 14,000/- after working for over 20 years for the corporation, does PCK really have a human resource head, chief or manager? What was more telling was the brand new PCK vehicles that where packed behind the striking workers. This is a clear indication that the leadership at PCK has no clue as to what a gold mine they are literally sitting on.
Based on the inflation index for Nairobi and the UNDP report on employment an employee with a family living in Nairobi and earning less than 30,000/- per month is termed as poor. PCK is impoverishing its employees by keeping them employed.
We seriously need to look at converting certain jobs from permanent to part-time which would allow us to provide opportunities for our university students who spend their evenings on facebook. This will be a great opportunity to re-establish the work ethic in the next generation.
I wish NTV reporters could begin to do their homework before making alarming statements that PCK is in trouble as a result of the proliferation of email and the internet. I will ask again, after you have ordered your pair of shoes online can it be delivered to you electronically?
Post Corporation of Kenya is not dead, it is sedated its slumber is being externally imposed and it is time that I was given the opportunity to raise it to its true glory, but as long as this nation is run on mediocre concepts and crony rewarding systems mine shall remain, for now, a cry in the wilderness.
Regards
Life is not a zero sum game, for you to gain I do not need to lose.
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Dr. Ndemo, you are right that we are overdue for comprehensive reforms when it comes to how we run and manage our parastatals.
However, I think that is exactly the kind of change that Yawe is proposing to bring about. I'm delighted that someone like Yawe who obviously has extensive experience in converging ICT with business, can be bold enough to stand up and say I can do it. Barack Obama in his book Dreams of My Father spoke about how leaders seeking the highest elective office must have an outsized ego. They must believe that they can do something better than everyone else, even if that something seems impossible. With Yawe, I can personally say that he has the brains, skills, motivation and ego to meet the challenges of being the post-master general.
Look forward to your appointment Yawe.
With Kind Regards, Harry Karanja Senior Consultant, EVA
Eva - The Executive Virtual Assistant who saves you time and money, and increases your revenue by handling customer care, sales & marketing, website marketing, and appointments at an affordable monthly price. A service by Business Made Simple Genius Executive Centre. 15th Floor View Park Towers, Nairobi Kenya PO Box 40665 Nairobi 00100 Tel: +254-20-2321294 Mobile: +254-751-773-087 Email: sales@eva.co.ke | www.eva.co.ke Thank you for considering the environmental impact of printing emails.
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Jane, You are right to some extent. Ministries do not have unlimited power over their parastatals. You recall as Hon. Michuki cleaned the Transport ministry, the Ports Authority was at the verge of collapse. There are intricacies in the running of state corporations that you are not aware of. They are managed by many agencies such as the State Corporations Advisory Council, Inspector General of State Corporations and not forgetting the unions. It is not as simple as you think. Several variables affect the way they operate. Comprehensive reforms may be necessary.
Ndemo.
Hi Robert,
Thank you for a very well outlined vision. How I wish the appointing authority would give you an opportunity.
Meanwhile,I choose to strongly disagree with Bwana PS in regard to the legacy issues he raised.
Yawe's vision is comprised of income generating ideas e.g.Renting out banking hall space, Advertising, Selling airtime etc,very minimal resources are required and if anything the organisation would be assured of immediate returns.From the vision I also see numerous job opportunities being created through Ecomerce and the eventual door delivery of mail.
Listers, I draw inspiration from how Hon Michuki transformed the public transport sector. He used the same staff his predecessors had used,no retraining,no retrenchment or work force overhaul;just a man who decided to bring sanity on the roads and sanity he brought. Similarly,it also took one man,same task force,same conditions,to undo all what had been done by Hon Michuki at Ministry of Transport. Again Hon Michuki moved to Min of Enviroment,we could have heard excuses of how much resources were needed to clean Nairobi river........................again the river got cleaned.
Personally I believe its all dependent on the person at the top. Under our current situation I dont expect Yawe to immediately replace Maj Gen Hussein Ali but the least I would have expected is in the meantime Yawe be introduced to the Post Master General to share on how some of his ideas can be implemented as we wait for the resource and legacy issues to get resolved.
Jane Kagiri kagirijane@yahoo.com
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Hi, Trivia question, how many success cards did postal corporation handle in the past 3 months and how many christ's mass cards will they deliver in the next 2 weeks. Regards PS. The number of cheapskates who sent and will be sending out email and sms messages please do not respond. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: S.Murigi Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thu, 2 December, 2010 19:34:58 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Yawe for Post Master General Robert should seriously be given a seat on the Board of Directors in the Postal Corporation if the Post Master General position is not given to him.. Why not? On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 8:48 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Hi,
The writing is on the wall, Postal Corporation needs a new breed of leadership failing which is shall sink to the level of Kenya National Assurance, point of no return
Issues of unions and pensions can be resolved by leveraging its advantages such as a national presence. We need dynamic future looking leadership that as an appreciation of the changes taking place locally and by extension globally.
It was sad to hear an employee of PCK saying that she earns Ksh 14,000/- after working for over 20 years for the corporation, does PCK really have a human resource head, chief or manager? What was more telling was the brand new PCK vehicles that where packed behind the striking workers. This is a clear indication that the leadership at PCK has no clue as to what a gold mine they are literally sitting on.
Based on the inflation index for Nairobi and the UNDP report on employment an employee with a family living in Nairobi and earning less than 30,000/- per month is termed as poor. PCK is impoverishing its employees by keeping them employed.
We seriously need to look at converting certain jobs from permanent to part-time which would allow us to provide opportunities for our university students who spend their evenings on facebook. This will be a great opportunity to re-establish the work ethic in the next generation.
I wish NTV reporters could begin to do their homework before making alarming statements that PCK is in trouble as a result of the proliferation of email and the internet. I will ask again, after you have ordered your pair of shoes online can it be delivered to you electronically?
Post Corporation of Kenya is not dead, it is sedated its slumber is being externally imposed and it is time that I was given the opportunity to raise it to its true glory, but as long as this nation is run on mediocre concepts and crony rewarding systems mine shall remain, for now, a cry in the wilderness.
Regards
Life is not a zero sum game, for you to gain I do not need to lose. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, 16 November, 2010 12:33:39
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Yawe for Post Master General
Dr. Ndemo, you are right that we are overdue for comprehensive reforms when it comes to how we run and manage our parastatals.
However, I think that is exactly the kind of change that Yawe is proposing to bring about. I'm delighted that someone like Yawe who obviously has extensive experience in converging ICT with business, can be bold enough to stand up and say I can do it. Barack Obama in his book Dreams of My Father spoke about how leaders seeking the highest elective office must have an outsized ego. They must believe that they can do something better than everyone else, even if that something seems impossible. With Yawe, I can personally say that he has the brains, skills, motivation and ego to meet the challenges of being the post-master general.
Look forward to your appointment Yawe.
With Kind Regards, Harry Karanja Senior Consultant, EVA
Eva - The Executive Virtual Assistant who saves you time and money, and increases your revenue by handling customer care, sales & marketing, website marketing, and appointments at an affordable monthly price. A service by Business Made Simple Genius Executive Centre. 15th Floor View Park Towers, Nairobi Kenya PO Box 40665 Nairobi 00100 Tel: +254-20-2321294 Mobile: +254-751-773-087 Email: sales@eva.co.ke | www.eva.co.ke Thank you for considering the environmental impact of printing emails.
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Jane, You are right to some extent. Ministries do not have unlimited power over their parastatals. You recall as Hon. Michuki cleaned the Transport ministry, the Ports Authority was at the verge of collapse. There are intricacies in the running of state corporations that you are not aware of. They are managed by many agencies such as the State Corporations Advisory Council, Inspector General of State Corporations and not forgetting the unions. It is not as simple as you think. Several variables affect the way they operate. Comprehensive reforms may be necessary.
Ndemo.
Hi Robert,
Thank you for a very well outlined vision. How I wish the appointing authority would give you an opportunity.
Meanwhile,I choose to strongly disagree with Bwana PS in regard to the legacy issues he raised.
Yawe's vision is comprised of income generating ideas e.g.Renting out banking hall space, Advertising, Selling airtime etc,very minimal resources are required and if anything the organisation would be assured of immediate returns.From the vision I also see numerous job opportunities being created through Ecomerce and the eventual door delivery of mail.
Listers, I draw inspiration from how Hon Michuki transformed the public transport sector. He used the same staff his predecessors had used,no retraining,no retrenchment or work force overhaul;just a man who decided to bring sanity on the roads and sanity he brought. Similarly,it also took one man,same task force,same conditions,to undo all what had been done by Hon Michuki at Ministry of Transport. Again Hon Michuki moved to Min of Enviroment,we could have heard excuses of how much resources were needed to clean Nairobi river........................again the river got cleaned.
Personally I believe its all dependent on the person at the top. Under our current situation I dont expect Yawe to immediately replace Maj Gen Hussein Ali but the least I would have expected is in the meantime Yawe be introduced to the Post Master General to share on how some of his ideas can be implemented as we wait for the resource and legacy issues to get resolved.
Jane Kagiri kagirijane@yahoo.com
Its impossible to build a tribute of success on a foundation of excuses.
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Catherine Adeya -
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Harry Karanja -
Jane Kagiri -
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Mworia Wilfred Mutua -
Paul Kukubo -
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robert yawe -
S.Murigi Muraya -
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