+1 I attended a workshop where the facilitator indicated that only 1% of ICT projects fail because of the technology. 99% of the failure is usually found in people, processes or procedures. Regards, Alex From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Grace Mutung'u via kictanet Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 6:54 AM To: awatila@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Grace Mutung'u <nmutungu@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] KISERO: Kenya’s corruption tsars have perfected looting through Ifmis - Daily Nation ​Ali, ​The issue of IFMIS and many of the problems we are facing in our society point to a deeper issue than competencies of human resource. In the face of IFMIS, proposing vetting of practitioners would be akin to scapegoating. Because as you said, the problem is not lack of capacity but lack of ethics and integrity. 2016-12-02 5:31 GMT+03:00 Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> >: Listers Related to to the discussion of 'reigning in' quacks in the ICT Sector how do you explain the fiasco that is IFMIS? Except from the article:- In theory, the Ifmis system we have is based on Oracle E-Business Suite, an accounting package developed by Oracle of the USA. In reality, what is in place is a product of conspiracies between crafty government officials and local rent-seeking software merchants. Through highly inflated and ill-conceived customisation and re-engineering projects, the merchants have colluded with public officials to create a mongrel of the original Oracle E-Business Suite. This is the system at the heart of corruption in the public sector. http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Kenya-corruption-tsars-have-perfected-l... So if we were to talk this discussion a step further:- 1. The customization of an Oracle E-Business Suite cannot be done by a 'quack' who isn't a Certified Oracle Software Engineer. 2. The customization must be approved by the client and mapped with the business processes mutually agreed by the vendor and the customer. In this case the government. A pig is a pig even if you apply lipstick on it. Let's call this what it is - Corruption. Period. Perpetuated in this case by the client and using qualified IT Professionals. We in the industry must call out the ones who collude to fleece this country instead of chasing a red herring in the name of 'quacks'! Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 <tel:+254%20713%20601113> Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/nmutungu%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- Grace L.N. Mutung'u Nairobi Kenya Skype: gracebomu Twitter: @Bomu <http://www.diplointernetgovernance.org/profile/GraceMutungu> PGP ID : 0x33A3450F

Dead wrong Waithaka. Its always People people people! Even the best designed systems assume a certain minimum threshold of human order and decency. When the first order of business when a system is implemented is a discussion to brainstorm how to "beat the system", we are way below that threshold. On 2 Dec 2016 09:45, "Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

Ali,

It's also time to put‎ professional blame squarely where it lies.

Any system tasked with moving *huge* sums of money and that does not come with at least Two-Factor authentication be *default* is either: 1. A very, very bad implementation 2. ‎Intentionally left unsecure to allow looting.

Blaming users & ethics in our users is just looking for scapegoats. Citibank, Stanchart & other Financial Institutions do not rely on user ethics when using their online banking platforms. You key in your password, for every transaction, you confirm using your 2FA Code, ensuring it's only you, or someone you gave your physical 2FA card that can authenticate that transaction.

And that's before you put in anti-laundering functionality, which should catch most of those transactions dead in their tracks if well implemented. E.g before payment of sums above KSH 100m cross-check on company registration date, if less than 1 year, flag! Common addresses, Directors btn different firms.

‎Online payments in Kenya have been with us since the early 2000s, why is it we've never heard complaints from the Banks that billions are being lost through basic identity fraud similar to IFMIS.

Don't blame the Kenyan people, blame lies squarely with the Systems we have put in place.

Waithaka Ngigi

Alliance Technologies www.at.co.ke *From: *Ali Hussein via kictanet *Sent: *Friday, December 2, 2016 5:33 AM *To: *Ngigi Waithaka *Reply To: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Cc: *Ali Hussein *Subject: *[kictanet] KISERO: Kenya’s corruption tsars have perfected looting through Ifmis - Daily Nation

Listers

Related to to the discussion of 'reigning in' quacks in the ICT Sector how do you explain the fiasco that is IFMIS?

Except from the article:-

In theory, the Ifmis system we have is based on Oracle E-Business Suite, an accounting package developed by Oracle of the USA. In reality, what is in place is a product of conspiracies between crafty government officials and local rent-seeking software merchants.

Through highly inflated and ill-conceived customisation and re-engineering projects, the merchants have colluded with public officials to create a mongrel of the original Oracle E-Business Suite.

This is the system at the heart of corruption in the public sector. http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Kenya-corruption- tsars-have-perfected-looting-through-Ifmis/440808-3469632-kg5rbv/

So if we were to talk this discussion a step further:-

1. The customization of an Oracle E-Business Suite cannot be done by a 'quack' who isn't a Certified Oracle Software Engineer.

2. The customization must be approved by the client and mapped with the business processes mutually agreed by the vendor and the customer. In this case the government.

A pig is a pig even if you apply lipstick on it. Let's call this what it is - Corruption. Period. Perpetuated in this case by the client and using qualified IT Professionals. We in the industry must call out the ones who collude to fleece this country instead of chasing a red herring in the name of 'quacks'!

*Ali Hussein* *Principal* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113

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You are blaming the door for there being break in's in a neighbourhood. or the small probox for there being potholes (by the same argument, we should own 4x4's and not tiny vixes which get stuck in muc, its the Car's problem, not the roads)... see what im driving at? On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 9:59 AM, Collins Areba <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:

Valid reasoning, but if this were in Mars, and there were no people, you would come next year and find your bank vault open, and all the currency intact. Money doesn't steal itself.

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 9:56 AM, Waithaka Ngigi <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:

...

Colins,

There's a reason Banks have very well secured vaults.

You can't put Billions of Shillings, right outside CBK, then ask GSU to take a break and expect to find the money there after a couple of hours‎.

Leaving IFMIS without any credible security is akin to opening CBKs vaults on Friday and then coming back on Monday to find it empty and then you blame people, people, people!

Waithaka Ngigi

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Dead wrong Waithaka.

Its always People people people!

Even the best designed systems assume a certain minimum threshold of human order and decency.

When the first order of business when a system is implemented is a discussion to brainstorm how to "beat the system", we are way below that threshold.

On 2 Dec 2016 09:45, "Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

...

Ali,

It's also time to put‎ professional blame squarely where it lies.

Any system tasked with moving *huge* sums of money and that does not come with at least Two-Factor authentication be *default* is either: 1. A very, very bad implementation 2. ‎Intentionally left unsecure to allow looting.

Blaming users & ethics in our users is just looking for scapegoats. Citibank, Stanchart & other Financial Institutions do not rely on user ethics when using their online banking platforms. You key in your password, for every transaction, you confirm using your 2FA Code, ensuring it's only you, or someone you gave your physical 2FA card that can authenticate that transaction.

And that's before you put in anti-laundering functionality, which should catch most of those transactions dead in their tracks if well implemented. E.g before payment of sums above KSH 100m cross-check on company registration date, if less than 1 year, flag! Common addresses, Directors btn different firms.

‎Online payments in Kenya have been with us since the early 2000s, why is it we've never heard complaints from the Banks that billions are being lost through basic identity fraud similar to IFMIS.

Don't blame the Kenyan people, blame lies squarely with the Systems we have put in place.

Waithaka Ngigi

Alliance Technologies www.at.co.ke *From: *Ali Hussein via kictanet *Sent: *Friday, December 2, 2016 5:33 AM *To: *Ngigi Waithaka *Reply To: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Cc: *Ali Hussein *Subject: *[kictanet] KISERO: Kenya’s corruption tsars have perfected looting through Ifmis - Daily Nation

Listers

Related to to the discussion of 'reigning in' quacks in the ICT Sector how do you explain the fiasco that is IFMIS?

Except from the article:-

In theory, the Ifmis system we have is based on Oracle E-Business Suite, an accounting package developed by Oracle of the USA. In reality, what is in place is a product of conspiracies between crafty government officials and local rent-seeking software merchants.

Through highly inflated and ill-conceived customisation and re-engineering projects, the merchants have colluded with public officials to create a mongrel of the original Oracle E-Business Suite.

This is the system at the heart of corruption in the public sector. http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Kenya-corruption-tsars- have-perfected-looting-through-Ifmis/440808-3469632-kg5rbv/

So if we were to talk this discussion a step further:-

1. The customization of an Oracle E-Business Suite cannot be done by a 'quack' who isn't a Certified Oracle Software Engineer.

2. The customization must be approved by the client and mapped with the business processes mutually agreed by the vendor and the customer. In this case the government.

A pig is a pig even if you apply lipstick on it. Let's call this what it is - Corruption. Period. Perpetuated in this case by the client and using qualified IT Professionals. We in the industry must call out the ones who collude to fleece this country instead of chasing a red herring in the name of 'quacks'!

*Ali Hussein* *Principal* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113

Twitter: @AliHKassim

Skype: abu-jomo

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Hi Baiju and colleagues, Reading your comments, the main challenge is ethics and integrity. We have to address it even if it affects all of us. We are not short of qualified project management experts, Software Analysts and Designers as well as System Engineers. We are not short of industry lobby groups as well, we are short on ethics and integrity. Regards On 1/9/17, Baiju Shah via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

Hi All,

Well now ok about the issues with the IFMIS, can we focus on building a better pool of business system analyst, solution design, quality assurance and project management. These are the key skills missing from the ICT sector, furthermore let's not blame the customer as we all lack a little or any amount of ethics... In reality please look at yourselves in the mirror and reflect when and where you individually have taken short cuts or came up with lame reasons for non delivery. Have created issues for fellow professionals who have won a project on merit. It my prayer that we get out stakeholder management sorted and develop a proper lobby group that is given a representation on the government projects to provide quality assurance and assure the delivery of the project in line with the vision, mission and scope signed off by the key stakeholders. Further provide advice on the Correctness of the scope which requires industry expertise per vertical. Therefore, my challenge to the group is what are we doing to align the technology with the business needs?

Thanks and have a good week,

Best Regards, Baiju

...

On 9 Jan 2017, at 05:29, Alex Watila via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

good morning, IFMIS is in the news again

State audit finds serious loopholes in Ifmis system - Daily Nation https://t.co/4dPksjnJBT

https://twitter.com/dailynation/status/818261005935448064

On 3 Dec 2016 12:08, "S.M. Muraya via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Ngigi,

Nothing less than Multi Factor authentication is required in Kenya.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-factor_authentication

Negligence needs to be penalized (we know, in Kenya, prosecution never succeeds where looting succeeds).

This includes negligence of local talent, not just theft. Kickbacks are often deposited (invested) abroad. As such, foreign firms will always be favored by crooked officials. Developed nations penalize bribery because it compromises national pysche, skills and service delivery levels.

EACC should also look for good examples to publicize.

Public officials, organizations, who/which over a 24 month period, have sourced and provided MANNED (conversation recording) hotlines, e-mail addresses, feedback portals and CRM's to measure, and promptly provide citizen services.

Crooked officials have no problem with payment systems (which increase the funds they collect), but they neglect systems which measure, expose service delivery levels.

SMM

"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Ali,

It's also time to put‎ professional blame squarely where it lies.

Any system tasked with moving *huge* sums of money and that does not come with at least Two-Factor authentication be *default* is either: 1. A very, very bad implementation 2. ‎Intentionally left unsecure to allow looting.

Blaming users & ethics in our users is just looking for scapegoats. Citibank, Stanchart & other Financial Institutions do not rely on user ethics when using their online banking platforms. You key in your password, for every transaction, you confirm using your 2FA Code, ensuring it's only you, or someone you gave your physical 2FA card that can authenticate that transaction.

And that's before you put in anti-laundering functionality, which should catch most of those transactions dead in their tracks if well implemented. E.g before payment of sums above KSH 100m cross-check on company registration date, if less than 1 year, flag! Common addresses, Directors btn different firms.

‎Online payments in Kenya have been with us since the early 2000s, why is it we've never heard complaints from the Banks that billions are being lost through basic identity fraud similar to IFMIS.

Don't blame the Kenyan people, blame lies squarely with the Systems we have put in place.

Waithaka Ngigi

Alliance Technologies www.at.co.ke From: Ali Hussein via kictanet Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 5:33 AM To: Ngigi Waithaka Reply To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Cc: Ali Hussein Subject: [kictanet] KISERO: Kenya’s corruption tsars have perfected looting through Ifmis - Daily Nation

Listers

Related to to the discussion of 'reigning in' quacks in the ICT Sector how do you explain the fiasco that is IFMIS?

Except from the article:-

In theory, the Ifmis system we have is based on Oracle E-Business Suite, an accounting package developed by Oracle of the USA. In reality, what is in place is a product of conspiracies between crafty government officials and local rent-seeking software merchants.

Through highly inflated and ill-conceived customisation and re-engineering projects, the merchants have colluded with public officials to create a mongrel of the original Oracle E-Business Suite.

This is the system at the heart of corruption in the public sector.

http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Kenya-corruption-tsars-have-perfected-l...

So if we were to talk this discussion a step further:-

1. The customization of an Oracle E-Business Suite cannot be done by a 'quack' who isn't a Certified Oracle Software Engineer.

2. The customization must be approved by the client and mapped with the business processes mutually agreed by the vendor and the customer. In this case the government.

A pig is a pig even if you apply lipstick on it. Let's call this what it is - Corruption. Period. Perpetuated in this case by the client and using qualified IT Professionals. We in the industry must call out the ones who collude to fleece this country instead of chasing a red herring in the name of 'quacks'!

Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113

Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim

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Sometimes I think IFMIS (the Kenyan one) was deliberately designed for exactly what it is being used for! On 9 January 2017 at 15:45, WANGARI KABIRU via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

Monday blessings!

In a town known as VAJAIBU each week, three superpower hydroplanes crash with guarantee, leaving fatalities of the spectating fans as balls of fire spiral freely for miles over the land. The professional riders on board as part of their safety measures have an inflammable hydro-ball that insulates them in the event of any impact. Which means, the next day they carry on their act on another ride. As expected, the turnout at the spectacular shows has dwindled as more and more spectators opt to go for the canoe rowers shows in the neighboring town. Surprisingly, the professional riders have been crying foul as the gate collections dwindle.

This must be an opportunity for the professionals. Tainting of one part of how a system works has an effect on the rest, breeding suspicion. From immigration registers, money transfer, banking, healthcare records - major ICT users, whether public or private, it means that there must be leaks all over of citizen funds and records. Not to mention the Internet of Things which we do not even have a measure of its extensiveness.

Why question the call for manual systems - this is one big example where tech seems to be designed to "work not for good" yet keeps being drummed down the citizens as the panacea for economic integrity.

Blessed day.

Regards/Wangari

--- Pray God Bless. 2013Wangari circa - "Being of the Light, We are Restored Through Faith in Mind, Body and Spirit; We Manifest The Kingdom of God on Earth".

On Monday, 9 January 2017, 8:11, Barrack Otieno via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

Hi Baiju and colleagues,

Reading your comments, the main challenge is ethics and integrity. We have to address it even if it affects all of us. We are not short of qualified project management experts, Software Analysts and Designers as well as System Engineers. We are not short of industry lobby groups as well, we are short on ethics and integrity.

Regards

...

Hi All,

Well now ok about the issues with the IFMIS, can we focus on building a better pool of business system analyst, solution design, quality assurance and project management. These are the key skills missing from the ICT sector, furthermore let's not blame the customer as we all lack a little or any amount of ethics... In reality please look at yourselves in the mirror and reflect when and where you individually have taken short cuts or came up with lame reasons for non delivery. Have created issues for fellow professionals who have won a project on merit. It my prayer that we get out stakeholder management sorted and develop a proper lobby group that is given a representation on the government projects to provide quality assurance and assure the delivery of the project in line with the vision, mission and scope signed off by the key stakeholders. Further provide advice on the Correctness of the scope which requires industry expertise per vertical. Therefore, my challenge to the group is what are we doing to align the technology with the business needs?

Thanks and have a good week,

Best Regards, Baiju

...

On 9 Jan 2017, at 05:29, Alex Watila via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

good morning, IFMIS is in the news again

State audit finds serious loopholes in Ifmis system - Daily Nation https://t.co/4dPksjnJBT

https://twitter.com/dailynation/status/818261005935448064

On 3 Dec 2016 12:08, "S.M. Muraya via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Ngigi,

Nothing less than Multi Factor authentication is required in Kenya.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-factor_authentication

Negligence needs to be penalized (we know, in Kenya, prosecution never succeeds where looting succeeds).

This includes negligence of local talent, not just theft. Kickbacks are often deposited (invested) abroad. As such, foreign firms will always be favored by crooked officials. Developed nations penalize bribery because it compromises national pysche, skills and service delivery levels.

EACC should also look for good examples to publicize.

Public officials, organizations, who/which over a 24 month period, have sourced and provided MANNED (conversation recording) hotlines, e-mail addresses, feedback portals and CRM's to measure, and promptly provide citizen services.

Crooked officials have no problem with payment systems (which increase

...

...

funds they collect), but they neglect systems which measure, expose service delivery levels.

SMM

"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Ali,

It's also time to put‎ professional blame squarely where it lies.

Any system tasked with moving *huge* sums of money and that does not come with at least Two-Factor authentication be *default* is either: 1. A very, very bad implementation 2. ‎Intentionally left unsecure to allow looting.

Blaming users & ethics in our users is just looking for scapegoats. Citibank, Stanchart & other Financial Institutions do not rely on user ethics when using their online banking platforms. You key in your password, for every transaction, you confirm using your 2FA Code, ensuring it's only you, or someone you gave your physical 2FA card that can authenticate that transaction.

And that's before you put in anti-laundering functionality, which should catch most of those transactions dead in their tracks if well implemented. E.g before payment of sums above KSH 100m cross-check on company registration date, if less than 1 year, flag! Common addresses, Directors btn different firms.

‎Online payments in Kenya have been with us since the early 2000s, why is it we've never heard complaints from the Banks that billions are being lost through basic identity fraud similar to IFMIS.

Don't blame the Kenyan people, blame lies squarely with the Systems we have put in place.

Waithaka Ngigi

Alliance Technologies www.at.co.ke From: Ali Hussein via kictanet Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 5:33 AM To: Ngigi Waithaka Reply To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Cc: Ali Hussein Subject: [kictanet] KISERO: Kenya’s corruption tsars have perfected looting through Ifmis - Daily Nation

Listers

Related to to the discussion of 'reigning in' quacks in the ICT Sector how do you explain the fiasco that is IFMIS?

Except from the article:-

In theory, the Ifmis system we have is based on Oracle E-Business Suite, an accounting package developed by Oracle of the USA. In reality, what is in place is a product of conspiracies between crafty government officials and local rent-seeking software merchants.

Through highly inflated and ill-conceived customisation and re-engineering projects, the merchants have colluded with public officials to create a mongrel of the original Oracle E-Business Suite.

This is the system at the heart of corruption in the public sector.

http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Kenya-corruption-tsars- have-perfected-looting-through-Ifmis/440808-3469632-kg5rbv/

So if we were to talk this discussion a step further:-

1. The customization of an Oracle E-Business Suite cannot be done by a 'quack' who isn't a Certified Oracle Software Engineer.

2. The customization must be approved by the client and mapped with the business processes mutually agreed by the vendor and the customer. In

On 1/9/17, Baiju Shah via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: the this

...

...

case the government.

A pig is a pig even if you apply lipstick on it. Let's call this what it is - Corruption. Period. Perpetuated in this case by the client and using qualified IT Professionals. We in the industry must call out the ones who collude to fleece this country instead of chasing a red herring in the name of 'quacks'!

Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113

Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim

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I am sure there are many professionals on the list who know the intricacies and workings of IFMIS, what challenges does the system have are they human, systemic or technological? My take is Human Resource (Vested interests) is the problem. That said i acknowledge the fact that some counties are also facing challenges with connectivity impeding the effectiveness of the system. The Universal Access Fund can be usefull in resolving this. Regards On 1/11/17, Watila Alex via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

Ifmis is defective, says former TA boss Kinuthia Wamwangi - Daily Nation http://www.nation.co.ke/counties/kericho/Ifmis-is-defective/3444860-3512338-... via @dailynation

On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 10:49 AM, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

Sometimes I think IFMIS (the Kenyan one)  was deliberately designed for exactly what it is being used for!

On 9 January 2017 at 15:45, WANGARI KABIRU via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:

Monday blessings! In a town known as VAJAIBU each week, three superpower hydroplanes crash with guarantee, leaving fatalities of the spectating fans as balls of fire spiral freely for miles over the land.The professional riders on board as part of their safety measures have an inflammable hydro-ball that insulates them in the event of any impact. Which means, the next day they carry on their act on another ride.As expected, the turnout at the spectacular shows has dwindled as more and more spectators opt to go for the canoe rowers shows in the neighboring town. Surprisingly, the professional riders have been crying foul as the gate collections dwindle.

This must be an opportunity for the professionals. Tainting of one part of how a system works has an effect on the rest, breeding suspicion. From immigration registers, money transfer, banking, healthcare records - major ICT users, whether public or private, it means that there must be leaks all over of citizen funds and records. Not to mention the Internet of Things which we do not even have a measure of its extensiveness. Why question the call for manual systems - this is one big example where tech seems to be designed to "work not for good" yet keeps being drummed down the citizens as the panacea for economic integrity.

Blessed day. Regards/Wangari --- Pray God Bless. 2013Wangari circa - "Being of the Light, We are Restored Through Faith in Mind, Body and Spirit; We Manifest The Kingdom of God on Earth".

On Monday, 9 January 2017, 8:11, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:

Hi Baiju and colleagues,

Reading your comments, the main challenge is ethics and integrity. We have to address it even if it affects all of us. We are not short of qualified project management experts, Software Analysts and Designers as well as System Engineers.  We are not short of industry lobby groups as well, we are short on ethics and integrity.

Regards

On 1/9/17, Baiju Shah via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:

...

Hi All,

Well now ok about the issues with the IFMIS, can we focus on building a better pool of business system analyst, solution design, quality assurance and project management. These are the key skills missing from the ICT sector, furthermore let's not blame the customer as we all lack a little or any amount of ethics... In reality please look at yourselves in the mirror and reflect when and where you individually have taken short cuts or came up with lame reasons for non delivery. Have created issues for fellow professionals who have won a project on merit. It my prayer that we get out stakeholder management sorted and develop a proper lobby group that is given a representation on the government projects to provide quality assurance and assure the delivery of the project in line with the vision, mission and scope signed off by the key stakeholders. Further provide advice on the Correctness of the scope which requires industry expertise per vertical. Therefore, my challenge to the group is what are we doing to align the technology with the business needs?

Thanks and have a good week,

Best Regards, Baiju

...

On 9 Jan 2017, at 05:29, Alex Watila via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:

good morning, IFMIS is in the news again

State audit finds serious loopholes in Ifmis system  - Daily Nation https://t.co/4dPksjnJBT

https://twitter.com/dailynatio n/status/818261005935448064

On 3 Dec 2016 12:08, "S.M. Muraya via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Ngigi,

Nothing less than Multi Factor authentication is required in Kenya.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Multi-factor_authentication

Negligence needs to be penalized (we know, in Kenya, prosecution never succeeds where looting succeeds).

This includes negligence of local talent, not just theft. Kickbacks are often deposited (invested) abroad. As such, foreign firms will always be favored by crooked officials. Developed nations penalize bribery because it compromises national pysche, skills and service delivery levels.

EACC should also look for good examples to publicize.

Public officials, organizations, who/which over a 24 month period, have sourced and provided MANNED (conversation recording) hotlines, e-mail addresses, feedback portals and CRM's to measure, and promptly provide citizen services.

Crooked officials have no problem with payment systems (which increase the funds they collect), but they neglect systems which measure, expose service delivery levels.

SMM

"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Ali,

It's also time to put‎ professional blame squarely where it lies.

Any system tasked with moving *huge* sums of money and that does not come with at least Two-Factor authentication be *default* is either: 1. A very, very bad implementation 2. ‎Intentionally left unsecure to allow looting.

Blaming users & ethics in our users is just looking for  scapegoats. Citibank, Stanchart & other Financial Institutions do not rely on user ethics when using their online banking platforms. You key in your password, for every transaction, you confirm using your 2FA Code, ensuring it's only you, or someone you gave your physical 2FA card that can authenticate that transaction.

And that's before you put in anti-laundering functionality, which should catch most of those transactions dead in their tracks if well implemented. E.g before payment of sums above KSH 100m cross-check on company registration date, if less than 1 year, flag! Common addresses, Directors btn different firms.

‎Online payments in Kenya have been with us since the early 2000s, why is it we've never heard complaints from the Banks that billions are being lost through basic identity fraud similar to IFMIS.

Don't blame the Kenyan people, blame lies squarely with the Systems we have put in place.

Waithaka Ngigi

Alliance Technologies www.at.co.ke From: Ali Hussein via kictanet Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 5:33 AM To: Ngigi Waithaka Reply To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Cc: Ali Hussein Subject: [kictanet] KISERO: Kenya’s corruption tsars have perfected looting through Ifmis - Daily Nation

Listers

Related to to the discussion of 'reigning in' quacks in the ICT Sector how do you explain the fiasco that is IFMIS?

Except from the article:-

In theory, the Ifmis system we have is based on Oracle E-Business Suite, an accounting package developed by Oracle of the USA. In reality, what is in place is a product of conspiracies between crafty government officials and local rent-seeking software merchants.

Through highly inflated and ill-conceived customisation and re-engineering projects, the merchants have colluded with public officials to create a mongrel of the original Oracle E-Business Suite.

This is the system at the heart of corruption in the public sector.

http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/O pinion/Kenya-corruption-tsars- have-perfected-looting-through -Ifmis/440808-3469632-kg5rbv/

So if we were to talk this discussion a step further:-

1. The customization of an Oracle E-Business Suite cannot be done by a 'quack' who isn't a Certified Oracle Software Engineer.

2. The customization must be approved by the client and mapped with the business processes mutually agreed by the vendor and the customer. In this case the government.

A pig is a pig even if you apply lipstick on it. Let's call this what it is - Corruption. Period. Perpetuated in this case by the client and using qualified IT Professionals. We in the industry must call out the ones who collude to fleece this country instead of chasing a red herring in the name of 'quacks'!

Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113

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Exactly Alex, Regards On Jan 11, 2017 1:46 PM, "Watila Alex" <awatila@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

i am curious what is the involvement of IT staff. Kenyan IT guys have implemented such systems at the utilities, telcos etc so i am sure the expertise exists

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On Wed, 11 Jan, 2017 at 10:33, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: I am sure there are many professionals on the list who know the intricacies and workings of IFMIS, what challenges does the system have are they human, systemic or technological? My take is Human Resource (Vested interests) is the problem. That said i acknowledge the fact that some counties are also facing challenges with connectivity impeding the effectiveness of the system. The Universal Access Fund can be usefull in resolving this.

Regards

On 1/11/17, Watila Alex via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

...

Ifmis is defective, says former TA boss Kinuthia Wamwangi - Daily Nation http://www.nation.co.ke/counties/kericho/Ifmis-is- defective/3444860-3512338-qqbeas/ via @dailynation

On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 10:49 AM, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

Sometimes I think IFMIS (the Kenyan one) was deliberately designed for exactly what it is being used for!

On 9 January 2017 at 15:45, WANGARI KABIRU via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:

Monday blessings! In a town known as VAJAIBU each week, three superpower hydroplanes crash with guarantee, leaving fatalities of the spectating fans as balls of fire spiral freely for miles over the land.The professional riders on board as part of their safety measures have an inflammable hydro-ball that insulates them in the event of any impact. Which means, the next day they carry on their act on another ride.As expected, the turnout at the spectacular shows has dwindled as more and more spectators opt to go for the canoe rowers shows in the neighboring town. Surprisingly, the professional riders have been crying foul as the gate collections dwindle.

This must be an opportunity for the professionals. Tainting of one part of how a system works has an effect on the rest, breeding suspicion. From immigration registers, money transfer, banking, healthcare records - major ICT users, whether public or private, it means that there must be leaks all over of citizen funds and records. Not to mention the Internet of Things which we do not even have a measure of its extensiveness. Why question the call for manual systems - this is one big example where tech seems to be designed to "work not for good" yet keeps being drummed down the citizens as the panacea for economic integrity.

Blessed day. Regards/Wangari --- Pray God Bless. 2013Wangari circa - "Being of the Light, We are Restored Through Faith in Mind, Body and Spirit; We Manifest The Kingdom of God on Earth".

On Monday, 9 January 2017, 8:11, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:

Hi Baiju and colleagues,

Reading your comments, the main challenge is ethics and integrity. We have to address it even if it affects all of us. We are not short of qualified project management experts, Software Analysts and Designers as well as System Engineers. We are not short of industry lobby groups as well, we are short on ethics and integrity.

Regards

On 1/9/17, Baiju Shah via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:

...

Hi All,

Well now ok about the issues with the IFMIS, can we focus on building a better pool of business system analyst, solution design, quality assurance and project management. These are the key skills missing from the ICT sector, furthermore let's not blame the customer as we all lack a little or any amount of ethics... In reality please look at yourselves in the mirror and reflect when and where you individually have taken short cuts or came up with lame reasons for non delivery. Have created issues for fellow professionals who have won a project on merit. It my prayer that we get out stakeholder management sorted and develop a proper lobby group that is given a representation on the government projects to provide quality assurance and assure the delivery of the project in line with the vision, mission and scope signed off by the key stakeholders. Further provide advice on the Correctness of the scope which requires industry expertise per vertical. Therefore, my challenge to the group is what are we doing to align the technology with the business needs?

Thanks and have a good week,

Best Regards, Baiju

...

On 9 Jan 2017, at 05:29, Alex Watila via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:

good morning, IFMIS is in the news again

State audit finds serious loopholes in Ifmis system - Daily Nation https://t.co/4dPksjnJBT

https://twitter.com/dailynatio n/status/818261005935448064

On 3 Dec 2016 12:08, "S.M. Muraya via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Ngigi,

Nothing less than Multi Factor authentication is required in Kenya.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Multi-factor_authentication

Negligence needs to be penalized (we know, in Kenya, prosecution never succeeds where looting succeeds).

This includes negligence of local talent, not just theft. Kickbacks are often deposited (invested) abroad. As such, foreign firms will always be favored by crooked officials. Developed nations penalize bribery because it compromises national pysche, skills and service delivery levels.

EACC should also look for good examples to publicize.

Public officials, organizations, who/which over a 24 month period, have sourced and provided MANNED (conversation recording) hotlines, e-mail addresses, feedback portals and CRM's to measure, and promptly provide citizen services.

Crooked officials have no problem with payment systems (which increase the funds they collect), but they neglect systems which measure, expose service delivery levels.

SMM

"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Ali,

It's also time to put‎ professional blame squarely where it lies.

Any system tasked with moving *huge* sums of money and that does not come with at least Two-Factor authentication be *default* is either: 1. A very, very bad implementation 2. ‎Intentionally left unsecure to allow looting.

Blaming users & ethics in our users is just looking for scapegoats. Citibank, Stanchart & other Financial Institutions do not rely on user ethics when using their online banking platforms. You key in your password, for every transaction, you confirm using your 2FA Code, ensuring it's only you, or someone you gave your physical 2FA card that can authenticate that transaction.

And that's before you put in anti-laundering functionality, which should catch most of those transactions dead in their tracks if well implemented. E.g before payment of sums above KSH 100m cross-check on company registration date, if less than 1 year, flag! Common addresses, Directors btn different firms.

‎Online payments in Kenya have been with us since the early 2000s, why is it we've never heard complaints from the Banks that billions are being lost through basic identity fraud similar to IFMIS.

Don't blame the Kenyan people, blame lies squarely with the Systems we have put in place.

Waithaka Ngigi

Alliance Technologies www.at.co.ke From: Ali Hussein via kictanet Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 5:33 AM To: Ngigi Waithaka Reply To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Cc: Ali Hussein Subject: [kictanet] KISERO: Kenya’s corruption tsars have perfected looting through Ifmis - Daily Nation

Listers

Related to to the discussion of 'reigning in' quacks in the ICT Sector how do you explain the fiasco that is IFMIS?

Except from the article:-

In theory, the Ifmis system we have is based on Oracle E-Business Suite, an accounting package developed by Oracle of the USA. In reality, what is in place is a product of conspiracies between crafty government officials and local rent-seeking software merchants.

Through highly inflated and ill-conceived customisation and re-engineering projects, the merchants have colluded with public officials to create a mongrel of the original Oracle E-Business Suite.

This is the system at the heart of corruption in the public sector.

http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/O pinion/Kenya-corruption-tsars- have-perfected-looting-through -Ifmis/440808-3469632-kg5rbv/

So if we were to talk this discussion a step further:-

1. The customization of an Oracle E-Business Suite cannot be done by a 'quack' who isn't a Certified Oracle Software Engineer.

2. The customization must be approved by the client and mapped with the business processes mutually agreed by the vendor and the customer. In this case the government.

A pig is a pig even if you apply lipstick on it. Let's call this what it is - Corruption. Period. Perpetuated in this case by the client and using qualified IT Professionals. We in the industry must call out the ones who collude to fleece this country instead of chasing a red herring in the name of 'quacks'!

Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 <0713%20601113>

Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alih kassim

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​Does anyone know the tech intricacies of IFMIS. For instance, which system/language is it founded on? the architecture? This is information that may help us understand the points of weakness....​ 2017-01-11 17:08 GMT+03:00 Odhiambo Washington via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>:

In most govt and parastatal institutions, the ICT functions are outsourced. The IT staff employed there can run their own businesses without worrying, as long as they can escalate the arising issues to the company it's outsourced to.

On 11 January 2017 at 13:42, Watila Alex via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

...

i am curious what is the involvement of IT staff. Kenyan IT guys have implemented such systems at the utilities, telcos etc so i am sure the expertise exists

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On Wed, 11 Jan, 2017 at 10:33, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: I am sure there are many professionals on the list who know the intricacies and workings of IFMIS, what challenges does the system have are they human, systemic or technological? My take is Human Resource (Vested interests) is the problem. That said i acknowledge the fact that some counties are also facing challenges with connectivity impeding the effectiveness of the system. The Universal Access Fund can be usefull in resolving this.

Regards

...

Ifmis is defective, says former TA boss Kinuthia Wamwangi - Daily Nation http://www.nation.co.ke/counties/kericho/Ifmis-is-defective/ 3444860-3512338-qqbeas/ via @dailynation

On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 10:49 AM, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

Sometimes I think IFMIS (the Kenyan one) was deliberately designed for exactly what it is being used for!

On 9 January 2017 at 15:45, WANGARI KABIRU via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:

Monday blessings! In a town known as VAJAIBU each week, three superpower hydroplanes crash with guarantee, leaving fatalities of the spectating fans as balls of fire spiral freely for miles over the land.The professional riders on board as part of their safety measures have an inflammable hydro-ball that insulates them in the event of any impact. Which means, the next day they carry on their act on another ride.As expected, the turnout at the spectacular shows has dwindled as more and more spectators opt to go for the canoe rowers shows in the neighboring town. Surprisingly, the professional riders have been crying foul as the gate collections dwindle.

This must be an opportunity for the professionals. Tainting of one part of how a system works has an effect on the rest, breeding suspicion. From immigration registers, money transfer, banking, healthcare records - major ICT users, whether public or private, it means that there must be leaks all over of citizen funds and records. Not to mention the Internet of Things which we do not even have a measure of its extensiveness. Why question the call for manual systems - this is one big example where tech seems to be designed to "work not for good" yet keeps being drummed down the citizens as the panacea for economic integrity.

Blessed day. Regards/Wangari --- Pray God Bless. 2013Wangari circa - "Being of the Light, We are Restored Through Faith in Mind, Body and Spirit; We Manifest The Kingdom of God on Earth".

On Monday, 9 January 2017, 8:11, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:

Hi Baiju and colleagues,

Reading your comments, the main challenge is ethics and integrity. We have to address it even if it affects all of us. We are not short of qualified project management experts, Software Analysts and Designers as well as System Engineers. We are not short of industry lobby groups as well, we are short on ethics and integrity.

Regards

On 1/9/17, Baiju Shah via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:

...

Hi All,

Well now ok about the issues with the IFMIS, can we focus on building a better pool of business system analyst, solution design, quality assurance and project management. These are the key skills missing from the ICT sector, furthermore let's not blame the customer as we all lack a

...

...

or any amount of ethics... In reality please look at yourselves in the mirror and reflect when and where you individually have taken short cuts or came up with lame reasons for non delivery. Have created issues for fellow professionals who have won a project on merit. It my prayer that we get out stakeholder management sorted and develop a proper lobby group that is given a representation on the government projects to provide quality assurance and assure the delivery of the project in line with the vision, mission and scope signed off by the key stakeholders. Further provide advice on the Correctness of the scope which requires industry expertise per vertical. Therefore, my challenge to the group is what are we doing to align the technology with the business needs?

Thanks and have a good week,

Best Regards, Baiju

...

On 9 Jan 2017, at 05:29, Alex Watila via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:

good morning, IFMIS is in the news again

State audit finds serious loopholes in Ifmis system - Daily Nation https://t.co/4dPksjnJBT

https://twitter.com/dailynatio n/status/818261005935448064

On 3 Dec 2016 12:08, "S.M. Muraya via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Ngigi,

Nothing less than Multi Factor authentication is required in Kenya.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Multi-factor_authentication

Negligence needs to be penalized (we know, in Kenya, prosecution never succeeds where looting succeeds).

This includes negligence of local talent, not just theft. Kickbacks are often deposited (invested) abroad. As such, foreign firms will always be favored by crooked officials. Developed nations penalize bribery because it compromises national pysche, skills and service delivery levels.

EACC should also look for good examples to publicize.

Public officials, organizations, who/which over a 24 month period, have sourced and provided MANNED (conversation recording) hotlines, e-mail addresses, feedback portals and CRM's to measure, and promptly provide citizen services.

Crooked officials have no problem with payment systems (which increase the funds they collect), but they neglect systems which measure, expose service delivery levels.

SMM

"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Ali,

It's also time to put‎ professional blame squarely where it lies.

Any system tasked with moving *huge* sums of money and that does not come with at least Two-Factor authentication be *default* is either: 1. A very, very bad implementation 2. ‎Intentionally left unsecure to allow looting.

Blaming users & ethics in our users is just looking for scapegoats. Citibank, Stanchart & other Financial Institutions do not rely on user ethics when using their online banking platforms. You key in your password, for every transaction, you confirm using your 2FA Code, ensuring it's only you, or someone you gave your physical 2FA card that can authenticate that transaction.

And that's before you put in anti-laundering functionality, which should catch most of those transactions dead in their tracks if well implemented. E.g before payment of sums above KSH 100m cross-check on company registration date, if less than 1 year, flag! Common addresses, Directors btn different firms.

‎Online payments in Kenya have been with us since the early 2000s, why is it we've never heard complaints from the Banks that billions are being lost through basic identity fraud similar to IFMIS.

Don't blame the Kenyan people, blame lies squarely with the Systems we have put in place.

Waithaka Ngigi

Alliance Technologies www.at.co.ke From: Ali Hussein via kictanet Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 5:33 AM To: Ngigi Waithaka Reply To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Cc: Ali Hussein Subject: [kictanet] KISERO: Kenya’s corruption tsars have perfected looting through Ifmis - Daily Nation

Listers

Related to to the discussion of 'reigning in' quacks in the ICT Sector how do you explain the fiasco that is IFMIS?

Except from the article:-

In theory, the Ifmis system we have is based on Oracle E-Business Suite, an accounting package developed by Oracle of the USA. In reality, what is in place is a product of conspiracies between crafty government officials and local rent-seeking software merchants.

Through highly inflated and ill-conceived customisation and re-engineering projects, the merchants have colluded with public officials to create a mongrel of the original Oracle E-Business Suite.

This is the system at the heart of corruption in the public sector.

http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/O pinion/Kenya-corruption-tsars- have-perfected-looting-through -Ifmis/440808-3469632-kg5rbv/

So if we were to talk this discussion a step further:-

1. The customization of an Oracle E-Business Suite cannot be done by a 'quack' who isn't a Certified Oracle Software Engineer.

2. The customization must be approved by the client and mapped with

...

...

...

business processes mutually agreed by the vendor and the customer. In this case the government.

A pig is a pig even if you apply lipstick on it. Let's call this what it is - Corruption. Period. Perpetuated in this case by the client and using qualified IT Professionals. We in the industry must call out the ones who collude to fleece this country instead of chasing a red herring in the name of 'quacks'!

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Grace The core Technology that makes up IFMIS is an Oracle eBusiness Suite. Here's a good background story on IFMIS. http://sokodirectory.com/2015/06/report-ifmis-implementation-in-kenyas-gover... Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad

On 11 Jan 2017, at 6:24 PM, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

​Does anyone know the tech intricacies of IFMIS. For instance, which system/language is it founded on? the architecture? This is information that may help us understand the points of weakness....​

2017-01-11 17:08 GMT+03:00 Odhiambo Washington via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>:

...

In most govt and parastatal institutions, the ICT functions are outsourced. The IT staff employed there can run their own businesses without worrying, as long as they can escalate the arising issues to the company it's outsourced to.

...

On 11 January 2017 at 13:42, Watila Alex via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: i am curious what is the involvement of IT staff. Kenyan IT guys have implemented such systems at the utilities, telcos etc so i am sure the expertise exists

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On Wed, 11 Jan, 2017 at 10:33, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: I am sure there are many professionals on the list who know the intricacies and workings of IFMIS, what challenges does the system have are they human, systemic or technological? My take is Human Resource (Vested interests) is the problem. That said i acknowledge the fact that some counties are also facing challenges with connectivity impeding the effectiveness of the system. The Universal Access Fund can be usefull in resolving this.

Regards

On 1/11/17, Watila Alex via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

...

Ifmis is defective, says former TA boss Kinuthia Wamwangi - Daily Nation http://www.nation.co.ke/counties/kericho/Ifmis-is-defective/3444860-3512338-... via @dailynation

On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 10:49 AM, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

Sometimes I think IFMIS (the Kenyan one) was deliberately designed for exactly what it is being used for!

On 9 January 2017 at 15:45, WANGARI KABIRU via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:

Monday blessings! In a town known as VAJAIBU each week, three superpower hydroplanes crash with guarantee, leaving fatalities of the spectating fans as balls of fire spiral freely for miles over the land.The professional riders on board as part of their safety measures have an inflammable hydro-ball that insulates them in the event of any impact. Which means, the next day they carry on their act on another ride.As expected, the turnout at the spectacular shows has dwindled as more and more spectators opt to go for the canoe rowers shows in the neighboring town. Surprisingly, the professional riders have been crying foul as the gate collections dwindle.

This must be an opportunity for the professionals. Tainting of one part of how a system works has an effect on the rest, breeding suspicion. From immigration registers, money transfer, banking, healthcare records - major ICT users, whether public or private, it means that there must be leaks all over of citizen funds and records. Not to mention the Internet of Things which we do not even have a measure of its extensiveness. Why question the call for manual systems - this is one big example where tech seems to be designed to "work not for good" yet keeps being drummed down the citizens as the panacea for economic integrity.

Blessed day. Regards/Wangari --- Pray God Bless. 2013Wangari circa - "Being of the Light, We are Restored Through Faith in Mind, Body and Spirit; We Manifest The Kingdom of God on Earth".

On Monday, 9 January 2017, 8:11, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:

Hi Baiju and colleagues,

Reading your comments, the main challenge is ethics and integrity. We have to address it even if it affects all of us. We are not short of qualified project management experts, Software Analysts and Designers as well as System Engineers. We are not short of industry lobby groups as well, we are short on ethics and integrity.

Regards

On 1/9/17, Baiju Shah via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:

...

Hi All,

Well now ok about the issues with the IFMIS, can we focus on building a better pool of business system analyst, solution design, quality assurance and project management. These are the key skills missing from the ICT sector, furthermore let's not blame the customer as we all lack a little or any amount of ethics... In reality please look at yourselves in the mirror and reflect when and where you individually have taken short cuts or came up with lame reasons for non delivery. Have created issues for fellow professionals who have won a project on merit. It my prayer that we get out stakeholder management sorted and develop a proper lobby group that is given a representation on the government projects to provide quality assurance and assure the delivery of the project in line with the vision, mission and scope signed off by the key stakeholders. Further provide advice on the Correctness of the scope which requires industry expertise per vertical. Therefore, my challenge to the group is what are we doing to align the technology with the business needs?

Thanks and have a good week,

Best Regards, Baiju

...

On 9 Jan 2017, at 05:29, Alex Watila via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:

good morning, IFMIS is in the news again

State audit finds serious loopholes in Ifmis system - Daily Nation https://t.co/4dPksjnJBT

https://twitter.com/dailynatio n/status/818261005935448064

On 3 Dec 2016 12:08, "S.M. Muraya via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Ngigi,

Nothing less than Multi Factor authentication is required in Kenya.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Multi-factor_authentication

Negligence needs to be penalized (we know, in Kenya, prosecution never succeeds where looting succeeds).

This includes negligence of local talent, not just theft. Kickbacks are often deposited (invested) abroad. As such, foreign firms will always be favored by crooked officials. Developed nations penalize bribery because it compromises national pysche, skills and service delivery levels.

EACC should also look for good examples to publicize.

Public officials, organizations, who/which over a 24 month period, have sourced and provided MANNED (conversation recording) hotlines, e-mail addresses, feedback portals and CRM's to measure, and promptly provide citizen services.

Crooked officials have no problem with payment systems (which increase the funds they collect), but they neglect systems which measure, expose service delivery levels.

SMM

"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Ali,

It's also time to put‎ professional blame squarely where it lies.

Any system tasked with moving *huge* sums of money and that does not come with at least Two-Factor authentication be *default* is either: 1. A very, very bad implementation 2. ‎Intentionally left unsecure to allow looting.

Blaming users & ethics in our users is just looking for scapegoats. Citibank, Stanchart & other Financial Institutions do not rely on user ethics when using their online banking platforms. You key in your password, for every transaction, you confirm using your 2FA Code, ensuring it's only you, or someone you gave your physical 2FA card that can authenticate that transaction.

And that's before you put in anti-laundering functionality, which should catch most of those transactions dead in their tracks if well implemented. E.g before payment of sums above KSH 100m cross-check on company registration date, if less than 1 year, flag! Common addresses, Directors btn different firms.

‎Online payments in Kenya have been with us since the early 2000s, why is it we've never heard complaints from the Banks that billions are being lost through basic identity fraud similar to IFMIS.

Don't blame the Kenyan people, blame lies squarely with the Systems we have put in place.

Waithaka Ngigi

Alliance Technologies www.at.co.ke From: Ali Hussein via kictanet Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 5:33 AM To: Ngigi Waithaka Reply To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Cc: Ali Hussein Subject: [kictanet] KISERO: Kenya’s corruption tsars have perfected looting through Ifmis - Daily Nation

Listers

Related to to the discussion of 'reigning in' quacks in the ICT Sector how do you explain the fiasco that is IFMIS?

Except from the article:-

In theory, the Ifmis system we have is based on Oracle E-Business Suite, an accounting package developed by Oracle of the USA. In reality, what is in place is a product of conspiracies between crafty government officials and local rent-seeking software merchants.

Through highly inflated and ill-conceived customisation and re-engineering projects, the merchants have colluded with public officials to create a mongrel of the original Oracle E-Business Suite.

This is the system at the heart of corruption in the public sector.

http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/O pinion/Kenya-corruption-tsars- have-perfected-looting-through -Ifmis/440808-3469632-kg5rbv/

So if we were to talk this discussion a step further:-

1. The customization of an Oracle E-Business Suite cannot be done by a 'quack' who isn't a Certified Oracle Software Engineer.

2. The customization must be approved by the client and mapped with the business processes mutually agreed by the vendor and the customer. In this case the government.

A pig is a pig even if you apply lipstick on it. Let's call this what it is - Corruption. Period. Perpetuated in this case by the client and using qualified IT Professionals. We in the industry must call out the ones who collude to fleece this country instead of chasing a red herring in the name of 'quacks'!

Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113

Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alih kassim

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Very easy trail....from originating individuals in Ministry to Treasury to CBK to bank to individuals....so many witnesses https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000225208/governor-cbk-had-no-role-... On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 11:10 PM David Otwoma <otwomad@gmail.com> wrote:

Additional IFMIS is good at catching thieves since the money trail is clearly visible, however for guys determined to be corrupt, it is no good. For serious fraud investigation leading to prosecution it is an excellent tool.

See what a world bank insider wrote on it some time back to compliment what we all know.

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On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 9:08 PM, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

Grace

The core Technology that makes up IFMIS is an Oracle eBusiness Suite. Here's a good background story on IFMIS.

http://sokodirectory.com/2015/06/report-ifmis-implementation-in-kenyas-gover...

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On 11 Jan 2017, at 6:24 PM, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

​Does anyone know the tech intricacies of IFMIS. For instance, which system/language is it founded on? the architecture? This is information that may help us understand the points of weakness....​

2017-01-11 17:08 GMT+03:00 Odhiambo Washington via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>:

In most govt and parastatal institutions, the ICT functions are outsourced. The IT staff employed there can run their own businesses without worrying, as long as they can escalate the arising issues to the company it's outsourced to.

On 11 January 2017 at 13:42, Watila Alex via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

i am curious what is the involvement of IT staff. Kenyan IT guys have implemented such systems at the utilities, telcos etc so i am sure the expertise exists

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On Wed, 11 Jan, 2017 at 10:33, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: I am sure there are many professionals on the list who know the intricacies and workings of IFMIS, what challenges does the system have are they human, systemic or technological? My take is Human Resource (Vested interests) is the problem. That said i acknowledge the fact that some counties are also facing challenges with connectivity impeding the effectiveness of the system. The Universal Access Fund can be usefull in resolving this.

Regards

On 1/11/17, Watila Alex via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

...

Ifmis is defective, says former TA boss Kinuthia Wamwangi - Daily Nation

http://www.nation.co.ke/counties/kericho/Ifmis-is-defective/3444860-3512338-...

...

via @dailynation

On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 10:49 AM, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

Sometimes I think IFMIS (the Kenyan one) was deliberately designed for exactly what it is being used for!

On 9 January 2017 at 15:45, WANGARI KABIRU via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:

Monday blessings! In a town known as VAJAIBU each week, three superpower hydroplanes crash with guarantee, leaving fatalities of the spectating fans as balls of fire spiral freely for miles over the land.The professional riders on board as part of their safety measures have an inflammable hydro-ball that insulates them in the event of any impact. Which means, the next day they carry on their act on another ride.As expected, the turnout at the spectacular shows has dwindled as more and more spectators opt to go for the canoe rowers shows in the neighboring town. Surprisingly, the professional riders have been crying foul as the gate collections dwindle.

This must be an opportunity for the professionals. Tainting of one part of how a system works has an effect on the rest, breeding suspicion. From immigration registers, money transfer, banking, healthcare records - major ICT users, whether public or private, it means that there must be leaks all over of citizen funds and records. Not to mention the Internet of Things which we do not even have a measure of its extensiveness. Why question the call for manual systems - this is one big example where tech seems to be designed to "work not for good" yet keeps being drummed down the citizens as the panacea for economic integrity.

Blessed day. Regards/Wangari --- Pray God Bless. 2013Wangari circa - "Being of the Light, We are Restored Through Faith in Mind, Body and Spirit; We Manifest The Kingdom of God on Earth".

On Monday, 9 January 2017, 8:11, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:

Hi Baiju and colleagues,

Reading your comments, the main challenge is ethics and integrity. We have to address it even if it affects all of us. We are not short of qualified project management experts, Software Analysts and Designers as well as System Engineers. We are not short of industry lobby groups as well, we are short on ethics and integrity.

Regards

On 1/9/17, Baiju Shah via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:

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Hi All,

Well now ok about the issues with the IFMIS, can we focus on building a better pool of business system analyst, solution design, quality assurance and project management. These are the key skills missing from the ICT sector, furthermore let's not blame the customer as we all lack a little or any amount of ethics... In reality please look at yourselves in the mirror and reflect when and where you individually have taken short cuts or came up with lame reasons for non delivery. Have created issues for fellow professionals who have won a project on merit. It my prayer that we get out stakeholder management sorted and develop a proper lobby group that is given a representation on the government projects to provide quality assurance and assure the delivery of the project in line with the vision, mission and scope signed off by the key stakeholders. Further provide advice on the Correctness of the scope which requires industry expertise per vertical. Therefore, my challenge to the group is what are we doing to align the technology with the business needs?

Thanks and have a good week,

Best Regards, Baiju

...

On 9 Jan 2017, at 05:29, Alex Watila via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:

good morning, IFMIS is in the news again

State audit finds serious loopholes in Ifmis system - Daily Nation https://t.co/4dPksjnJBT

https://twitter.com/dailynatio n/status/818261005935448064

On 3 Dec 2016 12:08, "S.M. Muraya via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Ngigi,

Nothing less than Multi Factor authentication is required in Kenya.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Multi-factor_authentication

Negligence needs to be penalized (we know, in Kenya, prosecution never succeeds where looting succeeds).

This includes negligence of local talent, not just theft. Kickbacks are often deposited (invested) abroad. As such, foreign firms will always be favored by crooked officials. Developed nations penalize bribery because it compromises national pysche, skills and service delivery levels.

EACC should also look for good examples to publicize.

Public officials, organizations, who/which over a 24 month period, have sourced and provided MANNED (conversation recording) hotlines, e-mail addresses, feedback portals and CRM's to measure, and promptly provide citizen services.

Crooked officials have no problem with payment systems (which increase the funds they collect), but they neglect systems which measure, expose service delivery levels.

SMM

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On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Ali,

It's also time to put‎ professional blame squarely where it lies.

Any system tasked with moving *huge* sums of money and that does not come with at least Two-Factor authentication be *default* is either: 1. A very, very bad implementation 2. ‎Intentionally left unsecure to allow looting.

Blaming users & ethics in our users is just looking for scapegoats. Citibank, Stanchart & other Financial Institutions do not rely on user ethics when using their online banking platforms. You key in your password, for every transaction, you confirm using your 2FA Code, ensuring it's only you, or someone you gave your physical 2FA card that can authenticate that transaction.

And that's before you put in anti-laundering functionality, which should catch most of those transactions dead in their tracks if well implemented. E.g before payment of sums above KSH 100m cross-check on company registration date, if less than 1 year, flag! Common addresses, Directors btn different firms.

‎Online payments in Kenya have been with us since the early 2000s, why is it we've never heard complaints from the Banks that billions are being lost through basic identity fraud similar to IFMIS.

Don't blame the Kenyan people, blame lies squarely with the Systems we have put in place.

Waithaka Ngigi

Alliance Technologies www.at.co.ke From: Ali Hussein via kictanet Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 5:33 AM To: Ngigi Waithaka Reply To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Cc: Ali Hussein Subject: [kictanet] KISERO: Kenya’s corruption tsars have perfected looting through Ifmis - Daily Nation

Listers

Related to to the discussion of 'reigning in' quacks in the ICT Sector how do you explain the fiasco that is IFMIS?

Except from the article:-

In theory, the Ifmis system we have is based on Oracle E-Business Suite, an accounting package developed by Oracle of the USA. In reality, what is in place is a product of conspiracies between crafty government officials and local rent-seeking software merchants.

Through highly inflated and ill-conceived customisation and re-engineering projects, the merchants have colluded with public officials to create a mongrel of the original Oracle E-Business Suite.

This is the system at the heart of corruption in the public sector.

http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/O pinion/Kenya-corruption-tsars- have-perfected-looting-through -Ifmis/440808-3469632-kg5rbv/

So if we were to talk this discussion a step further:-

1. The customization of an Oracle E-Business Suite cannot be done by a 'quack' who isn't a Certified Oracle Software Engineer.

2. The customization must be approved by the client and mapped with the business processes mutually agreed by the vendor and the customer. In this case the government.

A pig is a pig even if you apply lipstick on it. Let's call this what it is - Corruption. Period. Perpetuated in this case by the client and using qualified IT Professionals. We in the industry must call out the ones who collude to fleece this country instead of chasing a red herring in the name of 'quacks'!

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Hi Barrack, If I agree with you then I am not being honest to this group. I have not seen a decent solution architect in exception the are from Somewhere else, I have not seen a decent business analysts or system analyst, I have not seen decent project managers... Therefore, we need to get the education system up and running. If you want ethics and integrity then let's award government jobs on merit and not who you know and what personal relationships exist, bring transparency to the whole. Can we do that? Not really, it is impossible to get any traction on the government ICT jobs while a briefcase co or a co from anywhere else in wins the work because of their local agent who cannot even spell ICT. The company deploys a poor project as our stakeholders are not managed and our requirements have not been ratified and confirmed by business experts. We are not able to get a holistic delivery as the solution architecture was never done e.g. Please look at ifmis have a critical audit and compare them To the original set of requirements that were drawn up. I am sure you will not be allowed. I hope this provides a view of my personal experiences and helps to put together a framework that the new Kenyan built technology solutions come to market and NOT built in the USA... Thanks, Best Regards, Baiju

On 9 Jan 2017, at 08:10, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Baiju and colleagues,

Reading your comments, the main challenge is ethics and integrity. We have to address it even if it affects all of us. We are not short of qualified project management experts, Software Analysts and Designers as well as System Engineers. We are not short of industry lobby groups as well, we are short on ethics and integrity.

Regards

...

On 1/9/17, Baiju Shah via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Hi All,

Well now ok about the issues with the IFMIS, can we focus on building a better pool of business system analyst, solution design, quality assurance and project management. These are the key skills missing from the ICT sector, furthermore let's not blame the customer as we all lack a little or any amount of ethics... In reality please look at yourselves in the mirror and reflect when and where you individually have taken short cuts or came up with lame reasons for non delivery. Have created issues for fellow professionals who have won a project on merit. It my prayer that we get out stakeholder management sorted and develop a proper lobby group that is given a representation on the government projects to provide quality assurance and assure the delivery of the project in line with the vision, mission and scope signed off by the key stakeholders. Further provide advice on the Correctness of the scope which requires industry expertise per vertical. Therefore, my challenge to the group is what are we doing to align the technology with the business needs?

Thanks and have a good week,

Best Regards, Baiju

...

On 9 Jan 2017, at 05:29, Alex Watila via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

good morning, IFMIS is in the news again

State audit finds serious loopholes in Ifmis system - Daily Nation https://t.co/4dPksjnJBT

https://twitter.com/dailynation/status/818261005935448064

On 3 Dec 2016 12:08, "S.M. Muraya via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Ngigi,

Nothing less than Multi Factor authentication is required in Kenya.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-factor_authentication

Negligence needs to be penalized (we know, in Kenya, prosecution never succeeds where looting succeeds).

This includes negligence of local talent, not just theft. Kickbacks are often deposited (invested) abroad. As such, foreign firms will always be favored by crooked officials. Developed nations penalize bribery because it compromises national pysche, skills and service delivery levels.

EACC should also look for good examples to publicize.

Public officials, organizations, who/which over a 24 month period, have sourced and provided MANNED (conversation recording) hotlines, e-mail addresses, feedback portals and CRM's to measure, and promptly provide citizen services.

Crooked officials have no problem with payment systems (which increase the funds they collect), but they neglect systems which measure, expose service delivery levels.

SMM

"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Ali,

It's also time to put‎ professional blame squarely where it lies.

Any system tasked with moving *huge* sums of money and that does not come with at least Two-Factor authentication be *default* is either: 1. A very, very bad implementation 2. ‎Intentionally left unsecure to allow looting.

Blaming users & ethics in our users is just looking for scapegoats. Citibank, Stanchart & other Financial Institutions do not rely on user ethics when using their online banking platforms. You key in your password, for every transaction, you confirm using your 2FA Code, ensuring it's only you, or someone you gave your physical 2FA card that can authenticate that transaction.

And that's before you put in anti-laundering functionality, which should catch most of those transactions dead in their tracks if well implemented. E.g before payment of sums above KSH 100m cross-check on company registration date, if less than 1 year, flag! Common addresses, Directors btn different firms.

‎Online payments in Kenya have been with us since the early 2000s, why is it we've never heard complaints from the Banks that billions are being lost through basic identity fraud similar to IFMIS.

Don't blame the Kenyan people, blame lies squarely with the Systems we have put in place.

Waithaka Ngigi

Alliance Technologies www.at.co.ke From: Ali Hussein via kictanet Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 5:33 AM To: Ngigi Waithaka Reply To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Cc: Ali Hussein Subject: [kictanet] KISERO: Kenya’s corruption tsars have perfected looting through Ifmis - Daily Nation

Listers

Related to to the discussion of 'reigning in' quacks in the ICT Sector how do you explain the fiasco that is IFMIS?

Except from the article:-

In theory, the Ifmis system we have is based on Oracle E-Business Suite, an accounting package developed by Oracle of the USA. In reality, what is in place is a product of conspiracies between crafty government officials and local rent-seeking software merchants.

Through highly inflated and ill-conceived customisation and re-engineering projects, the merchants have colluded with public officials to create a mongrel of the original Oracle E-Business Suite.

This is the system at the heart of corruption in the public sector.

http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Kenya-corruption-tsars-have-perfected-l...

So if we were to talk this discussion a step further:-

1. The customization of an Oracle E-Business Suite cannot be done by a 'quack' who isn't a Certified Oracle Software Engineer.

2. The customization must be approved by the client and mapped with the business processes mutually agreed by the vendor and the customer. In this case the government.

A pig is a pig even if you apply lipstick on it. Let's call this what it is - Corruption. Period. Perpetuated in this case by the client and using qualified IT Professionals. We in the industry must call out the ones who collude to fleece this country instead of chasing a red herring in the name of 'quacks'!

Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113

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Ngigi, This guy Baiju is spot on when he writes "If you want ethics and integrity then let's award government jobs on merit and not who you know and what personal relationships exist, bring transparency to the whole. Can we do that?" We should upgrade from talking about colonialism to talking of neo-colonialism with our own black skins treating us badly, worst case point being the Riek Machar vs Silva Kir in our neighbourhood. There is an old book, written before I was born which has this quote "The leader pacifies the people. For years on end after independence has been won, we see him, incapable of urging on the people to a concrete task, unable really to open the future to them or of flinging them into the path of national reconstruction, that is to say, of their own reconstruction; we see him reassessing the history of independence and recalling the sacred unity of the struggle for liberation. The leader, because he refuses to break up the national bourgeoisie, asks the people to fall back into the past and to become drunk on the remembrance of the epoch which led up to independence. The leader, seen objectively, brings the people to a halt and persists in either expelling them from history or preventing them from taking root in it." https://www.marxists.org/subject/africa/fanon/pitfalls-national.htm Close at home let us call a spade a spade and interrogate how our ICT bodies have CEOs and other heads along what Baiju asks. In energy where I am more conversant the same scenario is repeated as what is happening in ICT. We have village boys sitting on both PS positions with a clueless CS shuffling in between. So we have "Kenya Power has restored supply to parts of Nairobi and Mount Kenya regions, with Eng Tare saying efforts were being made to restore supply to the Coast region." http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Nairobi--Mount-Kenya-and-Coast-region-hit... As if that is not enough the 5,000+ MW addition is having to stay in the back burner and the diesel generators will be back. Hear "CS Keter said the thermal stations are now account for 18 per cent of the power produced in the country. He expects this to further go up to 24 per cent in the coming months as the drought bites, which would mean further decline in the contribution of hydro electricity." Read more at: https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2000229172/demand-setback-n... So Ngigi, please go slow on Baiju along the race card and let us address the issue he raises i.e. "If you want ethics and integrity then let's award government jobs on merit and not who you know and what personal relationships exist, bring transparency to the whole. Can we do that?" David -- -- David Otwoma, PhD Chief Scientist, National Commission for Science Technology and Innovation (NACOSTI) Utalii House, P.O Box 30623-00100 Nairobi, Kenya Safcom tel: +254 722 141771, Orange tel: +254 (0)20 2346915, email: otwooma@gmail.com & otwoma@uonbi.ac.ke http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?ref=profile&id=100000614284149 http://www.nacosti.go.ke & Chairman, Eastern Africa Association for Radiation Protection, http://www.eaarp.org/ On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 11:01 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

Baiju,

So you claim, there are no decent System Architects, Projects Managers, System Analysts in Kenya...

Would you perhaps extend that to other professions such as there are no decent Lawyers, Doctors, Architects etc in Kenya, or is ICT an exception?

In which case then, you would be suggesting that we were born 'lacking' a certain gene, perhaps, that would have endowed us with certain ICT capabilities.

The last time we heard such talk in this country was during the colonial period, when *Africans* could never be good at anything that the white man did, so I suggest you retract your statement above, as it racially loaded and has not place in this forum!

Regards Waithaka Ngigi

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On Jan 9 2017, at 8:56 pm, Baiju Shah via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

...

Hi Barrack,

If I agree with you then I am not being honest to this group. I have not seen a decent solution architect in exception the are from Somewhere else, I have not seen a decent business analysts or system analyst, I have not seen decent project managers...

Therefore, we need to get the education system up and running.

If you want ethics and integrity then let's award government jobs on merit and not who you know and what personal relationships exist, bring transparency to the whole. Can we do that?

Not really, it is impossible to get any traction on the government ICT jobs while a briefcase co or a co from anywhere else in wins the work because of their local agent who cannot even spell ICT. The company deploys a poor project as our stakeholders are not managed and our requirements have not been ratified and confirmed by business experts. We are not able to get a holistic delivery as the solution architecture was never done e.g. Please look at ifmis have a critical audit and compare them To the original set of requirements that were drawn up. I am sure you will not be allowed.

I hope this provides a view of my personal experiences and helps to put together a framework that the new Kenyan built technology solutions come to market and NOT built in the USA...

Thanks,

Best Regards, Baiju

...

On 9 Jan 2017, at 08:10, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Baiju and colleagues,

Reading your comments, the main challenge is ethics and integrity. We have to address it even if it affects all of us. We are not short of qualified project management experts, Software Analysts and Designers as well as System Engineers. We are not short of industry lobby groups as well, we are short on ethics and integrity.

Regards

...

On 1/9/17, Baiju Shah via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Hi All,

Well now ok about the issues with the IFMIS, can we focus on building a better pool of business system analyst, solution design, quality assurance and project management. These are the key skills missing from the ICT sector, furthermore let's not blame the customer as we all lack a little or any amount of ethics... In reality please look at yourselves in the mirror and reflect when and where you individually have taken short cuts or came up with lame reasons for non delivery. Have created issues for fellow professionals who have won a project on merit. It my prayer that we get out stakeholder management sorted and develop a proper lobby group that is given a representation on the government projects to provide quality assurance and assure the delivery of the project in line with the vision, mission and scope signed off by the key stakeholders. Further provide advice on the Correctness of the scope which requires industry expertise per vertical. Therefore, my challenge to the group is what are we doing to align the technology with the business needs?

Thanks and have a good week,

Best Regards, Baiju

...

On 9 Jan 2017, at 05:29, Alex Watila via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

good morning, IFMIS is in the news again

State audit finds serious loopholes in Ifmis system - Daily Nation https://t.co/4dPksjnJBT

https://twitter.com/dailynation/status/818261005935448064

On 3 Dec 2016 12:08, "S.M. Muraya via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Ngigi,

Nothing less than Multi Factor authentication is required in Kenya.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-factor_authentication

Negligence needs to be penalized (we know, in Kenya, prosecution never succeeds where looting succeeds).

This includes negligence of local talent, not just theft. Kickbacks are often deposited (invested) abroad. As such, foreign firms will always be favored by crooked officials. Developed nations penalize bribery because it compromises national pysche, skills and service delivery levels.

EACC should also look for good examples to publicize.

Public officials, organizations, who/which over a 24 month period, have sourced and provided MANNED (conversation recording) hotlines, e-mail addresses, feedback portals and CRM's to measure, and promptly provide citizen services.

Crooked officials have no problem with payment systems (which increase the funds they collect), but they neglect systems which measure, expose service delivery levels.

SMM

"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Ali,

It's also time to put‎ professional blame squarely where it lies.

Any system tasked with moving *huge* sums of money and that does not come with at least Two-Factor authentication be *default* is either: 1. A very, very bad implementation 2. ‎Intentionally left unsecure to allow looting.

Blaming users & ethics in our users is just looking for scapegoats. Citibank, Stanchart & other Financial Institutions do not rely on user ethics when using their online banking platforms. You key in your password, for every transaction, you confirm using your 2FA Code, ensuring it's only you, or someone you gave your physical 2FA card that can authenticate that transaction.

And that's before you put in anti-laundering functionality, which should catch most of those transactions dead in their tracks if well implemented. E.g before payment of sums above KSH 100m cross-check on company registration date, if less than 1 year, flag! Common addresses, Directors btn different firms.

‎Online payments in Kenya have been with us since the early 2000s, why is it we've never heard complaints from the Banks that billions are being lost through basic identity fraud similar to IFMIS.

Don't blame the Kenyan people, blame lies squarely with the Systems we have put in place.

Waithaka Ngigi

Alliance Technologies www.at.co.ke From: Ali Hussein via kictanet Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 5:33 AM To: Ngigi Waithaka Reply To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Cc: Ali Hussein Subject: [kictanet] KISERO: Kenya’s corruption tsars have perfected looting through Ifmis - Daily Nation

Listers

Related to to the discussion of 'reigning in' quacks in the ICT Sector how do you explain the fiasco that is IFMIS?

Except from the article:-

In theory, the Ifmis system we have is based on Oracle E-Business Suite, an accounting package developed by Oracle of the USA. In reality, what is in place is a product of conspiracies between crafty government officials and local rent-seeking software merchants.

Through highly inflated and ill-conceived customisation and re-engineering projects, the merchants have colluded with public officials to create a mongrel of the original Oracle E-Business Suite.

This is the system at the heart of corruption in the public sector.

http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Kenya-corruption- tsars-have-perfected-looting-through-Ifmis/440808-3469632-kg5rbv/

So if we were to talk this discussion a step further:-

1. The customization of an Oracle E-Business Suite cannot be done by a 'quack' who isn't a Certified Oracle Software Engineer.

2. The customization must be approved by the client and mapped with the business processes mutually agreed by the vendor and the customer. In this case the government.

A pig is a pig even if you apply lipstick on it. Let's call this what it is - Corruption. Period. Perpetuated in this case by the client and using qualified IT Professionals. We in the industry must call out the ones who collude to fleece this country instead of chasing a red herring in the name of 'quacks'!

Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113

Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim

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Baiju, Retract nothing. Call it how you see it. And if people take offence, well too bad. I am a advocate and just the other day we were protesting attempting to reclaim our very black bar from the disgrace it had become. With notably few exceptions, corruption, incompetence and a lack of dedication to duty permeate almost every sector of Kenyan life. These issues are systemic and I cannot imagine that the rot and incompetence in bar- bench circles has antiseptically avoided the ICT sector. Regards, On Jan 9, 2017 9:33 PM, "David Otwoma via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

Ngigi,

This guy Baiju is spot on when he writes "If you want ethics and integrity then let's award government jobs on merit and not who you know and what personal relationships exist, bring transparency to the whole. Can we do that?"

We should upgrade from talking about colonialism to talking of neo-colonialism with our own black skins treating us badly, worst case point being the Riek Machar vs Silva Kir in our neighbourhood. There is an old book, written before I was born which has this quote "The leader pacifies the people. For years on end after independence has been won, we see him, incapable of urging on the people to a concrete task, unable really to open the future to them or of flinging them into the path of national reconstruction, that is to say, of their own reconstruction; we see him reassessing the history of independence and recalling the sacred unity of the struggle for liberation. The leader, because he refuses to break up the national bourgeoisie, asks the people to fall back into the past and to become drunk on the remembrance of the epoch which led up to independence. The leader, seen objectively, brings the people to a halt and persists in either expelling them from history or preventing them from taking root in it." https://www.marxists.org/ subject/africa/fanon/pitfalls-national.htm

Close at home let us call a spade a spade and interrogate how our ICT bodies have CEOs and other heads along what Baiju asks.

In energy where I am more conversant the same scenario is repeated as what is happening in ICT. We have village boys sitting on both PS positions with a clueless CS shuffling in between. So we have "Kenya Power has restored supply to parts of Nairobi and Mount Kenya regions, with Eng Tare saying efforts were being made to restore supply to the Coast region." http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Nairobi--Mount-Kenya-and- Coast-region-hit-by-blackout/539546-3510776-14wpp7hz/index.html

As if that is not enough the 5,000+ MW addition is having to stay in the back burner and the diesel generators will be back. Hear "CS Keter said the thermal stations are now account for 18 per cent of the power produced in the country. He expects this to further go up to 24 per cent in the coming months as the drought bites, which would mean further decline in the contribution of hydro electricity." Read more at: https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/ 2000229172/demand-setback-now-puts-kenya-s-mega-power-plan- on-the-back-burner

So Ngigi, please go slow on Baiju along the race card and let us address the issue he raises i.e. "If you want ethics and integrity then let's award government jobs on merit and not who you know and what personal relationships exist, bring transparency to the whole. Can we do that?"

David

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On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 11:01 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

...

Baiju,

So you claim, there are no decent System Architects, Projects Managers, System Analysts in Kenya...

Would you perhaps extend that to other professions such as there are no decent Lawyers, Doctors, Architects etc in Kenya, or is ICT an exception?

In which case then, you would be suggesting that we were born 'lacking' a certain gene, perhaps, that would have endowed us with certain ICT capabilities.

The last time we heard such talk in this country was during the colonial period, when *Africans* could never be good at anything that the white man did, so I suggest you retract your statement above, as it racially loaded and has not place in this forum!

Regards Waithaka Ngigi

Sent from Nylas N1 <https://nylas.com/n1?ref=n1>, the extensible, open source mail client.

On Jan 9 2017, at 8:56 pm, Baiju Shah via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

...

Hi Barrack,

If I agree with you then I am not being honest to this group. I have not seen a decent solution architect in exception the are from Somewhere else, I have not seen a decent business analysts or system analyst, I have not seen decent project managers...

Therefore, we need to get the education system up and running.

If you want ethics and integrity then let's award government jobs on merit and not who you know and what personal relationships exist, bring transparency to the whole. Can we do that?

Not really, it is impossible to get any traction on the government ICT jobs while a briefcase co or a co from anywhere else in wins the work because of their local agent who cannot even spell ICT. The company deploys a poor project as our stakeholders are not managed and our requirements have not been ratified and confirmed by business experts. We are not able to get a holistic delivery as the solution architecture was never done e.g. Please look at ifmis have a critical audit and compare them To the original set of requirements that were drawn up. I am sure you will not be allowed.

I hope this provides a view of my personal experiences and helps to put together a framework that the new Kenyan built technology solutions come to market and NOT built in the USA...

Thanks,

Best Regards, Baiju

...

On 9 Jan 2017, at 08:10, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Baiju and colleagues,

Reading your comments, the main challenge is ethics and integrity. We have to address it even if it affects all of us. We are not short of qualified project management experts, Software Analysts and Designers as well as System Engineers. We are not short of industry lobby groups as well, we are short on ethics and integrity.

Regards

...

On 1/9/17, Baiju Shah via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Hi All,

Well now ok about the issues with the IFMIS, can we focus on building a better pool of business system analyst, solution design, quality assurance and project management. These are the key skills missing from the ICT sector, furthermore let's not blame the customer as we all lack a little or any amount of ethics... In reality please look at yourselves in the mirror and reflect when and where you individually have taken short cuts or came up with lame reasons for non delivery. Have created issues for fellow professionals who have won a project on merit. It my prayer that we get out stakeholder management sorted and develop a proper lobby group that is given a representation on the government projects to provide quality assurance and assure the delivery of the project in line with the vision, mission and scope signed off by the key stakeholders. Further provide advice on the Correctness of the scope which requires industry expertise per vertical. Therefore, my challenge to the group is what are we doing to align the technology with the business needs?

Thanks and have a good week,

Best Regards, Baiju

...

On 9 Jan 2017, at 05:29, Alex Watila via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

good morning, IFMIS is in the news again

State audit finds serious loopholes in Ifmis system - Daily Nation https://t.co/4dPksjnJBT

https://twitter.com/dailynation/status/818261005935448064

On 3 Dec 2016 12:08, "S.M. Muraya via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Ngigi,

Nothing less than Multi Factor authentication is required in Kenya.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-factor_authentication

Negligence needs to be penalized (we know, in Kenya, prosecution never succeeds where looting succeeds).

This includes negligence of local talent, not just theft. Kickbacks are often deposited (invested) abroad. As such, foreign firms will always be favored by crooked officials. Developed nations penalize bribery because it compromises national pysche, skills and service delivery levels.

EACC should also look for good examples to publicize.

Public officials, organizations, who/which over a 24 month period, have sourced and provided MANNED (conversation recording) hotlines, e-mail addresses, feedback portals and CRM's to measure, and promptly provide citizen services.

Crooked officials have no problem with payment systems (which increase the funds they collect), but they neglect systems which measure, expose service delivery levels.

SMM

"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Ali,

It's also time to put‎ professional blame squarely where it lies.

Any system tasked with moving *huge* sums of money and that does not come with at least Two-Factor authentication be *default* is either: 1. A very, very bad implementation 2. ‎Intentionally left unsecure to allow looting.

Blaming users & ethics in our users is just looking for scapegoats. Citibank, Stanchart & other Financial Institutions do not rely on user ethics when using their online banking platforms. You key in your password, for every transaction, you confirm using your 2FA Code, ensuring it's only you, or someone you gave your physical 2FA card that can authenticate that transaction.

And that's before you put in anti-laundering functionality, which should catch most of those transactions dead in their tracks if well implemented. E.g before payment of sums above KSH 100m cross-check on company registration date, if less than 1 year, flag! Common addresses, Directors btn different firms.

‎Online payments in Kenya have been with us since the early 2000s, why is it we've never heard complaints from the Banks that billions are being lost through basic identity fraud similar to IFMIS.

Don't blame the Kenyan people, blame lies squarely with the Systems we have put in place.

Waithaka Ngigi

Alliance Technologies www.at.co.ke From: Ali Hussein via kictanet Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 5:33 AM To: Ngigi Waithaka Reply To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Cc: Ali Hussein Subject: [kictanet] KISERO: Kenya’s corruption tsars have perfected looting through Ifmis - Daily Nation

Listers

Related to to the discussion of 'reigning in' quacks in the ICT Sector how do you explain the fiasco that is IFMIS?

Except from the article:-

In theory, the Ifmis system we have is based on Oracle E-Business Suite, an accounting package developed by Oracle of the USA. In reality, what is in place is a product of conspiracies between crafty government officials and local rent-seeking software merchants.

Through highly inflated and ill-conceived customisation and re-engineering projects, the merchants have colluded with public officials to create a mongrel of the original Oracle E-Business Suite.

This is the system at the heart of corruption in the public sector.

http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Kenya-corruption-tsars- have-perfected-looting-through-Ifmis/440808-3469632-kg5rbv/

So if we were to talk this discussion a step further:-

1. The customization of an Oracle E-Business Suite cannot be done by a 'quack' who isn't a Certified Oracle Software Engineer.

2. The customization must be approved by the client and mapped with the business processes mutually agreed by the vendor and the customer. In this case the government.

A pig is a pig even if you apply lipstick on it. Let's call this what it is - Corruption. Period. Perpetuated in this case by the client and using qualified IT Professionals. We in the industry must call out the ones who collude to fleece this country instead of chasing a red herring in the name of 'quacks'!

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Put into context - why are the Kenyan ICT professionals not the ones providing the said high level systems, expertise etc? Might the procurement systems be so designed to exclude them? Or would the World Bank or donor requirements for major projects (if they are the main funders) come with stipulations attached which exclude nationals or we just do not qualify? and why? what may be done on this? Flashback Bitange Ndemo's time when some security related work was being presented and the work was assigned to a foreign firm..... Candidly, where have we legezad  in the "skilling part". What the seniors require to acknowledge is the obligation to pave the way for a newer generation and as much as possible clear the obstacles. Blessed day. Regards/Wangari --- Pray God Bless. 2013Wangari circa - "Being of the Light, We are Restored Through Faith in Mind, Body and Spirit; We Manifest The Kingdom of God on Earth". On Monday, 9 January 2017, 23:06, Douglas Gichuki via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Baiju,Retract nothing.Call it how you see it. And if people take offence, well too bad. I am a advocate and just the other day we were protesting attempting to reclaim our very black bar from the disgrace it had become. With notably few exceptions, corruption, incompetence and a lack of dedication to duty permeate almost every sector of Kenyan life. These issues are systemic and I cannot imagine that the rot and incompetence in bar- bench circles has antiseptically avoided the ICT sector. Regards, On Jan 9, 2017 9:33 PM, "David Otwoma via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Ngigi, This guy Baiju is spot on when he writes "If you want ethics and integrity then let's award government jobs on merit and not who you know and what personal relationships exist, bring transparency to the whole. Can we do that?" We should upgrade from talking about colonialism to talking of neo-colonialism with our own black skins  treating us badly, worst case point being the Riek Machar vs Silva Kir in our neighbourhood. There is an old book, written before I was born which has this quote "The leader pacifies the people. For years on end after independence has been won, we see him, incapable of urging on the people to a concrete task, unable really to open the future to them or of flinging them into the path of national reconstruction, that is to say, of their own reconstruction; we see him reassessing the history of independence and recalling the sacred unity of the struggle for liberation. The leader, because he refuses to break up the national bourgeoisie, asks the people to fall back into the past and to become drunk on the remembrance of the epoch which led up to independence. The leader, seen objectively, brings the people to a halt and persists in either expelling them from history or preventing them from taking root in it."  https://www.marxists.org/ subject/africa/fanon/pitfalls- national.htm Close at home let us call a spade a spade and interrogate how our ICT bodies have CEOs and other heads along what Baiju asks. In energy where I am more conversant the same scenario is repeated as what is happening in ICT.  We have village boys sitting on both PS positions with a clueless CS shuffling in between. So we have "Kenya Power has restored supply to parts of Nairobi and Mount Kenya regions, with Eng Tare saying efforts were being made to restore supply to the Coast region."  http://www. businessdailyafrica.com/ Nairobi--Mount-Kenya-and- Coast-region-hit-by-blackout/ 539546-3510776-14wpp7hz/index. html As if that is not enough the 5,000+ MW addition is having to stay in the back burner and the diesel generators will be back. Hear "CS Keter said the thermal stations are now account for 18 per cent of the power produced in the country. He expects this to further go up to 24 per cent in the coming months as the drought bites, which would mean further decline in the contribution of hydro electricity."Read more at: https://www.standardmedia.co. ke/business/article/ 2000229172/demand-setback-now- puts-kenya-s-mega-power-plan- on-the-back-burner So Ngigi, please go slow on Baiju along the race card and let us address the issue he raises i.e. "If you want ethics and integrity then let's award government jobs on merit and not who you know and what personal relationships exist, bring transparency to the whole. Can we do that?" David -- -- David Otwoma, PhD Chief Scientist, National Commission for Science Technology and Innovation (NACOSTI) Utalii House, P.O Box 30623-00100 Nairobi, Kenya Safcom tel: +254 722 141771, Orange tel: +254 (0)20 2346915, email: otwooma@gmail.com & otwoma@uonbi.ac.ke http://www.facebook.com/ profile.php?ref=profile&id= 100000614284149 http://www.nacosti.go.ke & Chairman, Eastern Africa Association for Radiation Protection, http://www.eaarp.org/ On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 11:01 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Baiju, So you claim, there are no decent System Architects, Projects Managers, System Analysts in Kenya... Would you perhaps extend that to other professions such as there are no decent Lawyers, Doctors, Architects etc in Kenya, or is ICT an exception?  In which case then, you would be suggesting that we were born 'lacking' a certain gene, perhaps, that would have endowed us with certain ICT capabilities. The last time we heard such talk in this country was during the colonial period, when *Africans* could never be good at anything that the white man did, so I suggest you retract your statement above, as it racially loaded and has not place in this forum! RegardsWaithaka Ngigi Sent from Nylas N1, the extensible, open source mail client. On Jan 9 2017, at 8:56 pm, Baiju Shah via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Hi Barrack,If I agree with you then I am not being honest to this group. I have not seen a decent solution architect in exception the are from Somewhere else, I have not seen a decent business analysts or system analyst, I have not seen decent project managers... Therefore, we need to get the education system up and running. If you want ethics and integrity then let's award government jobs on merit and not who you know and what personal relationships exist, bring transparency to the whole. Can we do that?Not really, it is impossible to get any traction on the government ICT jobs while a briefcase co or a co from anywhere else in wins the work because of their local agent who cannot even spell ICT. The company deploys a poor project as our stakeholders are not managed and our requirements have not been ratified and confirmed by business experts. We are not able to get a holistic delivery as the solution architecture was never done e.g. Please look at ifmis have a critical audit and compare them To the original set of requirements that were drawn up. I am sure you will not be allowed.I hope this provides a view of my personal experiences and helps to put together a framework that the new Kenyan built technology solutions come to market and NOT built in the USA...Thanks,Best Regards, Baiju> On 9 Jan 2017, at 08:10, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Baiju and colleagues,

Reading your comments, the main challenge is ethics and integrity. We have to address it even if it affects all of us. We are not short of qualified project management experts, Software Analysts and Designers as well as System Engineers. We are not short of industry lobby groups as well, we are short on ethics and integrity.

Regards

...

On 1/9/17, Baiju Shah via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Hi All,

Well now ok about the issues with the IFMIS, can we focus on building a better pool of business system analyst, solution design, quality assurance and project management. These are the key skills missing from the ICT sector, furthermore let's not blame the customer as we all lack a little or any amount of ethics... In reality please look at yourselves in the mirror and reflect when and where you individually have taken short cuts or came up with lame reasons for non delivery. Have created issues for fellow professionals who have won a project on merit. It my prayer that we get out stakeholder management sorted and develop a proper lobby group that is given a representation on the government projects to provide quality assurance and assure the delivery of the project in line with the vision, mission and scope signed off by the key stakeholders. Further provide advice on the Correctness of the scope which requires industry expertise per vertical. Therefore, my challenge to the group is what are we doing to align the technology with the business needs?

Thanks and have a good week,

Best Regards, Baiju

...

On 9 Jan 2017, at 05:29, Alex Watila via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:

good morning, IFMIS is in the news again

State audit finds serious loopholes in Ifmis system - Daily Nation https://t.co/4dPksjnJBT

https://twitter.com/dailynatio n/status/818261005935448064

On 3 Dec 2016 12:08, "S.M. Muraya via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Ngigi,

Nothing less than Multi Factor authentication is required in Kenya.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Multi-factor_authentication

Negligence needs to be penalized (we know, in Kenya, prosecution never succeeds where looting succeeds).

This includes negligence of local talent, not just theft. Kickbacks are often deposited (invested) abroad. As such, foreign firms will always be favored by crooked officials. Developed nations penalize bribery because it compromises national pysche, skills and service delivery levels.

EACC should also look for good examples to publicize.

Public officials, organizations, who/which over a 24 month period, have sourced and provided MANNED (conversation recording) hotlines, e-mail addresses, feedback portals and CRM's to measure, and promptly provide citizen services.

Crooked officials have no problem with payment systems (which increase the funds they collect), but they neglect systems which measure, expose service delivery levels.

SMM

"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Ali,

It's also time to put‎ professional blame squarely where it lies.

Any system tasked with moving *huge* sums of money and that does not come with at least Two-Factor authentication be *default* is either: 1. A very, very bad implementation 2. ‎Intentionally left unsecure to allow looting.

Blaming users & ethics in our users is just looking for scapegoats. Citibank, Stanchart & other Financial Institutions do not rely on user ethics when using their online banking platforms. You key in your password, for every transaction, you confirm using your 2FA Code, ensuring it's only you, or someone you gave your physical 2FA card that can authenticate that transaction.

And that's before you put in anti-laundering functionality, which should catch most of those transactions dead in their tracks if well implemented. E.g before payment of sums above KSH 100m cross-check on company registration date, if less than 1 year, flag! Common addresses, Directors btn different firms.

‎Online payments in Kenya have been with us since the early 2000s, why is it we've never heard complaints from the Banks that billions are being lost through basic identity fraud similar to IFMIS.

Don't blame the Kenyan people, blame lies squarely with the Systems we have put in place.

Waithaka Ngigi

Alliance Technologies www.at.co.ke From: Ali Hussein via kictanet Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 5:33 AM To: Ngigi Waithaka Reply To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Cc: Ali Hussein Subject: [kictanet] KISERO: Kenya’s corruption tsars have perfected looting through Ifmis - Daily Nation

Listers

Related to to the discussion of 'reigning in' quacks in the ICT Sector how do you explain the fiasco that is IFMIS?

Except from the article:-

In theory, the Ifmis system we have is based on Oracle E-Business Suite, an accounting package developed by Oracle of the USA. In reality, what is in place is a product of conspiracies between crafty government officials and local rent-seeking software merchants.

Through highly inflated and ill-conceived customisation and re-engineering projects, the merchants have colluded with public officials to create a mongrel of the original Oracle E-Business Suite.

This is the system at the heart of corruption in the public sector.

http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/O pinion/Kenya-corruption-tsars- have-perfected-looting-through -Ifmis/440808-3469632-kg5rbv/

So if we were to talk this discussion a step further:-

1. The customization of an Oracle E-Business Suite cannot be done by a 'quack' who isn't a Certified Oracle Software Engineer.

2. The customization must be approved by the client and mapped with the business processes mutually agreed by the vendor and the customer. In this case the government.

A pig is a pig even if you apply lipstick on it. Let's call this what it is - Corruption. Period. Perpetuated in this case by the client and using qualified IT Professionals. We in the industry must call out the ones who collude to fleece this country instead of chasing a red herring in the name of 'quacks'!

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Hi Douglas, Many thanks for the support, the intent how do we get the industry to a professional level where the private and public sectors see ICT as a real value add then just a cost as it is now. Best Regards, Baiju *Baiju Shah** |*Managing Partner* |* Phone: +254 701691570 *​​* *|*Mobile: +254 787332247 *|* Skype: baijushah* |* Email: baiju@telemedia.co.ke* | * *Telemedia Africa Ltd* *. * The information contained within this e-mail and any attachments ("Email") may contain legally privileged, proprietary and confidential information intended solely for the recipients listed as addresses. If you are not an addressee, any review, dissemination, disclosure, copying, distribution, retention, communication, or use of the contents of this Email is strictly prohibited. If this Email is received in error, immediately notify the original sender by return email or telephone Telemedia Africa Ltd​ at +254 787332247, and delete this Email. Telemedia Africa warrants neither the accuracy nor the completeness of the information contained in this Email. On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 11:04 PM, Douglas Gichuki via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

Baiju,

Retract nothing.

Call it how you see it. And if people take offence, well too bad. I am a advocate and just the other day we were protesting attempting to reclaim our very black bar from the disgrace it had become. With notably few exceptions, corruption, incompetence and a lack of dedication to duty permeate almost every sector of Kenyan life. These issues are systemic and I cannot imagine that the rot and incompetence in bar- bench circles has antiseptically avoided the ICT sector.

Regards,

On Jan 9, 2017 9:33 PM, "David Otwoma via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

...

Ngigi,

This guy Baiju is spot on when he writes "If you want ethics and integrity then let's award government jobs on merit and not who you know and what personal relationships exist, bring transparency to the whole. Can we do that?"

We should upgrade from talking about colonialism to talking of neo-colonialism with our own black skins treating us badly, worst case point being the Riek Machar vs Silva Kir in our neighbourhood. There is an old book, written before I was born which has this quote "The leader pacifies the people. For years on end after independence has been won, we see him, incapable of urging on the people to a concrete task, unable really to open the future to them or of flinging them into the path of national reconstruction, that is to say, of their own reconstruction; we see him reassessing the history of independence and recalling the sacred unity of the struggle for liberation. The leader, because he refuses to break up the national bourgeoisie, asks the people to fall back into the past and to become drunk on the remembrance of the epoch which led up to independence. The leader, seen objectively, brings the people to a halt and persists in either expelling them from history or preventing them from taking root in it." https://www.marxists.org/subj ect/africa/fanon/pitfalls-national.htm

Close at home let us call a spade a spade and interrogate how our ICT bodies have CEOs and other heads along what Baiju asks.

In energy where I am more conversant the same scenario is repeated as what is happening in ICT. We have village boys sitting on both PS positions with a clueless CS shuffling in between. So we have "Kenya Power has restored supply to parts of Nairobi and Mount Kenya regions, with Eng Tare saying efforts were being made to restore supply to the Coast region." http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Nairobi--Mount-Kenya- and-Coast-region-hit-by-blackout/539546-3510776-14wpp7hz/index.html

As if that is not enough the 5,000+ MW addition is having to stay in the back burner and the diesel generators will be back. Hear "CS Keter said the thermal stations are now account for 18 per cent of the power produced in the country. He expects this to further go up to 24 per cent in the coming months as the drought bites, which would mean further decline in the contribution of hydro electricity." Read more at: https://www.standardmedia.co.k e/business/article/2000229172/demand-setback-now-puts-kenya- s-mega-power-plan-on-the-back-burner

So Ngigi, please go slow on Baiju along the race card and let us address the issue he raises i.e. "If you want ethics and integrity then let's award government jobs on merit and not who you know and what personal relationships exist, bring transparency to the whole. Can we do that?"

David

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On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 11:01 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

...

Baiju,

So you claim, there are no decent System Architects, Projects Managers, System Analysts in Kenya...

Would you perhaps extend that to other professions such as there are no decent Lawyers, Doctors, Architects etc in Kenya, or is ICT an exception?

In which case then, you would be suggesting that we were born 'lacking' a certain gene, perhaps, that would have endowed us with certain ICT capabilities.

The last time we heard such talk in this country was during the colonial period, when *Africans* could never be good at anything that the white man did, so I suggest you retract your statement above, as it racially loaded and has not place in this forum!

Regards Waithaka Ngigi

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On Jan 9 2017, at 8:56 pm, Baiju Shah via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

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Hi Barrack,

If I agree with you then I am not being honest to this group. I have not seen a decent solution architect in exception the are from Somewhere else, I have not seen a decent business analysts or system analyst, I have not seen decent project managers...

Therefore, we need to get the education system up and running.

If you want ethics and integrity then let's award government jobs on merit and not who you know and what personal relationships exist, bring transparency to the whole. Can we do that?

Not really, it is impossible to get any traction on the government ICT jobs while a briefcase co or a co from anywhere else in wins the work because of their local agent who cannot even spell ICT. The company deploys a poor project as our stakeholders are not managed and our requirements have not been ratified and confirmed by business experts. We are not able to get a holistic delivery as the solution architecture was never done e.g. Please look at ifmis have a critical audit and compare them To the original set of requirements that were drawn up. I am sure you will not be allowed.

I hope this provides a view of my personal experiences and helps to put together a framework that the new Kenyan built technology solutions come to market and NOT built in the USA...

Thanks,

Best Regards, Baiju

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On 9 Jan 2017, at 08:10, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Baiju and colleagues,

Reading your comments, the main challenge is ethics and integrity. We have to address it even if it affects all of us. We are not short of qualified project management experts, Software Analysts and Designers as well as System Engineers. We are not short of industry lobby groups as well, we are short on ethics and integrity.

Regards

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On 1/9/17, Baiju Shah via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Hi All,

Well now ok about the issues with the IFMIS, can we focus on building a better pool of business system analyst, solution design, quality assurance and project management. These are the key skills missing from the ICT sector, furthermore let's not blame the customer as we all lack a little or any amount of ethics... In reality please look at yourselves in the mirror and reflect when and where you individually have taken short cuts or came up with lame reasons for non delivery. Have created issues for fellow professionals who have won a project on merit. It my prayer that we get out stakeholder management sorted and develop a proper lobby group that is given a representation on the government projects to provide quality assurance and assure the delivery of the project in line with the vision, mission and scope signed off by the key stakeholders. Further provide advice on the Correctness of the scope which requires industry expertise per vertical. Therefore, my challenge to the group is what are we doing to align the technology with the business needs?

Thanks and have a good week,

Best Regards, Baiju

> On 9 Jan 2017, at 05:29, Alex Watila via kictanet > <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > good morning, > IFMIS is in the news again > > > State audit finds serious loopholes in Ifmis system - Daily Nation > https://t.co/4dPksjnJBT > > https://twitter.com/dailynation/status/818261005935448064 > > > > > On 3 Dec 2016 12:08, "S.M. Muraya via kictanet" > <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > Ngigi, > > Nothing less than Multi Factor authentication is required in Kenya. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-factor_authentication > > Negligence needs to be penalized (we know, in Kenya, prosecution never > succeeds where looting succeeds). > > This includes negligence of local talent, not just theft. Kickbacks are > often deposited (invested) abroad. As such, foreign firms will always be > favored by crooked officials. Developed nations penalize bribery because > it compromises national pysche, skills and service delivery levels. > > EACC should also look for good examples to publicize. > > Public officials, organizations, who/which over a 24 month period, have > sourced and provided MANNED (conversation recording) hotlines, e-mail > addresses, feedback portals and CRM's to measure, and promptly provide > citizen services. > > Crooked officials have no problem with payment systems (which increase the > funds they collect), but they neglect systems which measure, expose > service delivery levels. > > > SMM > > "Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one > who takes a city." Prov 16:32 > > On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet > <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > Ali, > > It's also time to put‎ professional blame squarely where it lies. > > Any system tasked with moving *huge* sums of money and that does not come > with at least Two-Factor authentication be *default* is either: > 1. A very, very bad implementation > 2. ‎Intentionally left unsecure to allow looting. > > Blaming users & ethics in our users is just looking for scapegoats. > Citibank, Stanchart & other Financial Institutions do not rely on user > ethics when using their online banking platforms. You key in your > password, for every transaction, you confirm using your 2FA Code, ensuring > it's only you, or someone you gave your physical 2FA card that can > authenticate that transaction. > > And that's before you put in anti-laundering functionality, which should > catch most of those transactions dead in their tracks if well implemented. > E.g before payment of sums above KSH 100m cross-check on company > registration date, if less than 1 year, flag! Common addresses, Directors > btn different firms. > > ‎Online payments in Kenya have been with us since the early 2000s, why is > it we've never heard complaints from the Banks that billions are being > lost through basic identity fraud similar to IFMIS. > > Don't blame the Kenyan people, blame lies squarely with the Systems we > have put in place. > > Waithaka Ngigi > > Alliance Technologies > www.at.co.ke > From: Ali Hussein via kictanet > Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 5:33 AM > To: Ngigi Waithaka > Reply To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions > Cc: Ali Hussein > Subject: [kictanet] KISERO: Kenya’s corruption tsars have perfected > looting through Ifmis - Daily Nation > > Listers > > Related to to the discussion of 'reigning in' quacks in the ICT Sector how > do you explain the fiasco that is IFMIS? > > Except from the article:- > > In theory, the Ifmis system we have is based on Oracle E-Business Suite, > an accounting package developed by Oracle of the USA. In reality, what is > in place is a product of conspiracies between crafty government officials > and local rent-seeking software merchants. > > Through highly inflated and ill-conceived customisation and re-engineering > projects, the merchants have colluded with public officials to create a > mongrel of the original Oracle E-Business Suite. > > This is the system at the heart of corruption in the public sector. > > http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Kenya-corruption-tsars- have-perfected-looting-through-Ifmis/440808-3469632-kg5rbv/ > > So if we were to talk this discussion a step further:- > > 1. The customization of an Oracle E-Business Suite cannot be done by a > 'quack' who isn't a Certified Oracle Software Engineer. > > 2. The customization must be approved by the client and mapped with the > business processes mutually agreed by the vendor and the customer. In this > case the government. > > A pig is a pig even if you apply lipstick on it. Let's call this what it > is - Corruption. Period. Perpetuated in this case by the client and using > qualified IT Professionals. We in the industry must call out the ones who > collude to fleece this country instead of chasing a red herring in the > name of 'quacks'! > > Ali Hussein > Principal > Hussein & Associates > +254 0713 601113 > > Twitter: @AliHKassim > Skype: abu-jomo > LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim > > > "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking > what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi > > Sent from my iPad > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/murigi .muraya%40gmail.com > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform > for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and > regulation. 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