Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 1 of 8 Theme : Review of the 2009 IGF Mailing List Discussions
Dear Listers, Another year has gone by and it is time to review the deliberations that were made during last years discussions which was moderated by Walu and Mwende Njiraini. While reflecting on this it is important to note that the IGF process is not a decision making mechanism but a platform for multistakeholder dialogue, the idea is to bring together organisations and persons involved in Internet public policy formulation. It is this organisations and persons that make the decisions or implement the changes that are required in the public space. This notwithsatnding, the Kenya IGF has made immense contribution to the East African IGF which is by far one of the best regional initiatives globally and provides a benchmark for other Regional initiatives that are coming up in Africa and the Global IGF process. Last years report is attached to this thread and i would like to invite listers to skim through it an identify issues that might need to be revisited and or reviewed. In addition you may propose areas that need to be taken into consideration as we prepare for the face to face discussions at the end of this Month. Please note that discussions around this theme will take one day however you may continue with the thread even after we have moved to the next theme which will look at Infrastructure issues.
To add some fluff to the opening remarks, the Internet Governance Forum ( www.intgovforum.org) has held 4 Global summits since its inception, the last one being in Sharm El Sheikh where Kenya was ably represented. The Summits have deliberated on Management and Governance of the Internet Security, Critical Internet Resources, Internet Access among other issues. Some of the key achievements realised nationally include. Raising awaress and Capacity Building Hosting of the IGF meeting which for the first time included Members of Parliament from the UK and all East African Countries Discourse on IG issues on the KICTANet Mailing list. It is important to note that the number of stakeholders interested in IG discussions has grown over time, one peculiar issue is the absence of a strong voice from young people who are a major stakeholder and consumer of internet products and services, it appears that the youth are more interested in the technical aspects as opposed to policy and regulatory issues which in itself is a worrying trend that needs to be revised, the question to be answered however is how can the Youth and Children voices be heard?, we have had interesting initiatives over the past one year by ICWE Africa and a number of NGOs to address the issues of child security on the internet, which is a great milestone, there was a proposal to have local capacity building sessions which must have stalled, probably Walu could give us an idea at what is going on at the Multimedia University or Strathmore which had been identified as centres. On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
Dear Listers,
Another year has gone by and it is time to review the deliberations that were made during last years discussions which was moderated by Walu and Mwende Njiraini. While reflecting on this it is important to note that the IGF process is not a decision making mechanism but a platform for multistakeholder dialogue, the idea is to bring together organisations and persons involved in Internet public policy formulation. It is this organisations and persons that make the decisions or implement the changes that are required in the public space. This notwithsatnding, the Kenya IGF has made immense contribution to the East African IGF which is by far one of the best regional initiatives globally and provides a benchmark for other Regional initiatives that are coming up in Africa and the Global IGF process. Last years report is attached to this thread and i would like to invite listers to skim through it an identify issues that might need to be revisited and or reviewed. In addition you may propose areas that need to be taken into consideration as we prepare for the face to face discussions at the end of this Month. Please note that discussions around this theme will take one day however you may continue with the thread even after we have moved to the next theme which will look at Infrastructure issues.
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Barrack, with regard it Internet Governance capacity building @ MMU (multimedia university college), there was some initiative to collaborate with Diplo to offer training in this area but the consultations were not concluded in time due to transition issues (college to university status). Hopefully next year, MMU would be a regional center for Internet Governance Issues. walu. --- On Mon, 7/5/10, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 1 of 8 Theme : Review of the 2009 IGF Mailing List Discussions To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 3:01 PM To add some fluff to the opening remarks, the Internet Governance Forum (www.intgovforum.org) has held 4 Global summits since its inception, the last one being in Sharm El Sheikh where Kenya was ably represented. The Summits have deliberated on Management and Governance of the Internet Security, Critical Internet Resources, Internet Access among other issues. Some of the key achievements realised nationally include. Raising awaress and Capacity Building Hosting of the IGF meeting which for the first time included Members of Parliament from the UK and all East African Countries Discourse on IG issues on the KICTANet Mailing list. It is important to note that the number of stakeholders interested in IG discussions has grown over time, one peculiar issue is the absence of a strong voice from young people who are a major stakeholder and consumer of internet products and services, it appears that the youth are more interested in the technical aspects as opposed to policy and regulatory issues which in itself is a worrying trend that needs to be revised, the question to be answered however is how can the Youth and Children voices be heard?, we have had interesting initiatives over the past one year by ICWE Africa and a number of NGOs to address the issues of child security on the internet, which is a great milestone, there was a proposal to have local capacity building sessions which must have stalled, probably Walu could give us an idea at what is going on at the Multimedia University or Strathmore which had been identified as centres. On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Listers, Another year has gone by and it is time to review the deliberations that were made during last years discussions which was moderated by Walu and Mwende Njiraini. While reflecting on this it is important to note that the IGF process is not a decision making mechanism but a platform for multistakeholder dialogue, the idea is to bring together organisations and persons involved in Internet public policy formulation. It is this organisations and persons that make the decisions or implement the changes that are required in the public space. This notwithsatnding, the Kenya IGF has made immense contribution to the East African IGF which is by far one of the best regional initiatives globally and provides a benchmark for other Regional initiatives that are coming up in Africa and the Global IGF process. Last years report is attached to this thread and i would like to invite listers to skim through it an identify issues that might need to be revisited and or reviewed. In addition you may propose areas that need to be taken into consideration as we prepare for the face to face discussions at the end of this Month. Please note that discussions around this theme will take one day however you may continue with the thread even after we have moved to the next theme which will look at Infrastructure issues. -- Barrack O. Otieno +41767892272 Skype: barrack.otieno -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: jwalu@yahoo.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com
Listers, This is indeed another great opportunity to understand the journey since the last of such a discussion (2009). considering that there are a number of things that have taken place in as far as internet governance/security are concerned. For instance, there is a call by the government of Kenya to have all the SIM Cards registered before July 31st 2010, to avert issues such as crime (kidnapping, electoral violence etc). There is quiet a lot of diversities which we need to embrace and prepare the citizens into understanding the multiple effects of internet. One thing that I struggle to understand is IPV6. There are a number of essentials that will help the society fully migrate and adapt the IPV6 equipment. One thing that beats logic is how does one really know an equipment is IPV6 compliant? I posit this question because it emerged that all the so-called digital television in Kenya were not digital after all! Mass education on the findings regarding IGF need to be conducted so that it does not look like only technical people define, actualize and implement IGF, just like it is said, the common person need to have a technical understanding of IGF, at least in the basic level. I look forward to more challenging perspectives and views regarding this discussion. On 5 July 2010 08:32, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Listers,
Another year has gone by and it is time to review the deliberations that were made during last years discussions which was moderated by Walu and Mwende Njiraini. While reflecting on this it is important to note that the IGF process is not a decision making mechanism but a platform for multistakeholder dialogue, the idea is to bring together organisations and persons involved in Internet public policy formulation. It is this organisations and persons that make the decisions or implement the changes that are required in the public space. This notwithsatnding, the Kenya IGF has made immense contribution to the East African IGF which is by far one of the best regional initiatives globally and provides a benchmark for other Regional initiatives that are coming up in Africa and the Global IGF process. Last years report is attached to this thread and i would like to invite listers to skim through it an identify issues that might need to be revisited and or reviewed. In addition you may propose areas that need to be taken into consideration as we prepare for the face to face discussions at the end of this Month. Please note that discussions around this theme will take one day however you may continue with the thread even after we have moved to the next theme which will look at Infrastructure issues.
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Many thanks Solomon for your insightfull points notably on *IPv6, Registration of Sim Cards* and Mass education AKA capacity building, on another note i just realised i havent registered my Sim Card on the Bambanet, will this attract some form of punishment as well?. I have also been looking at an interesting debate on number Portability and its effect on Value added Services. We discuss IPV6 issues for 2 days beginning July 12 to July 13 and i would like to invite you to prepare your submissions for the same in advance. Kind Regards On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
Listers,
This is indeed another great opportunity to understand the journey since the last of such a discussion (2009). considering that there are a number of things that have taken place in as far as internet governance/security are concerned. For instance, there is a call by the government of Kenya to have all the SIM Cards registered before July 31st 2010, to avert issues such as crime (kidnapping, electoral violence etc). There is quiet a lot of diversities which we need to embrace and prepare the citizens into understanding the multiple effects of internet. One thing that I struggle to understand is IPV6. There are a number of essentials that will help the society fully migrate and adapt the IPV6 equipment. One thing that beats logic is how does one really know an equipment is IPV6 compliant? I posit this question because it emerged that all the so-called digital television in Kenya were not digital after all!
Mass education on the findings regarding IGF need to be conducted so that it does not look like only technical people define, actualize and implement IGF, just like it is said, the common person need to have a technical understanding of IGF, at least in the basic level.
I look forward to more challenging perspectives and views regarding this discussion.
On 5 July 2010 08:32, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Listers,
Another year has gone by and it is time to review the deliberations that were made during last years discussions which was moderated by Walu and Mwende Njiraini. While reflecting on this it is important to note that the IGF process is not a decision making mechanism but a platform for multistakeholder dialogue, the idea is to bring together organisations and persons involved in Internet public policy formulation. It is this organisations and persons that make the decisions or implement the changes that are required in the public space. This notwithsatnding, the Kenya IGF has made immense contribution to the East African IGF which is by far one of the best regional initiatives globally and provides a benchmark for other Regional initiatives that are coming up in Africa and the Global IGF process. Last years report is attached to this thread and i would like to invite listers to skim through it an identify issues that might need to be revisited and or reviewed. In addition you may propose areas that need to be taken into consideration as we prepare for the face to face discussions at the end of this Month. Please note that discussions around this theme will take one day however you may continue with the thread even after we have moved to the next theme which will look at Infrastructure issues.
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AND
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Dear Barrack,All, thank you for this introduction and I look forward to these deliberations, however my question is "how long is the mandate for the Kenya IGF?" this year's focus on the global event is reviewing their 5year mandate and look at its possible extension and why.....having borrowed the 'not a decision making ,model' from the global event, are we looking at a possible time lapse as well? Kind Regards, On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
Dear Listers,
Another year has gone by and it is time to review the deliberations that were made during last years discussions which was moderated by Walu and Mwende Njiraini. While reflecting on this it is important to note that the IGF process is not a decision making mechanism but a platform for multistakeholder dialogue, the idea is to bring together organisations and persons involved in Internet public policy formulation. It is this organisations and persons that make the decisions or implement the changes that are required in the public space. This notwithsatnding, the Kenya IGF has made immense contribution to the East African IGF which is by far one of the best regional initiatives globally and provides a benchmark for other Regional initiatives that are coming up in Africa and the Global IGF process. Last years report is attached to this thread and i would like to invite listers to skim through it an identify issues that might need to be revisited and or reviewed. In addition you may propose areas that need to be taken into consideration as we prepare for the face to face discussions at the end of this Month. Please note that discussions around this theme will take one day however you may continue with the thread even after we have moved to the next theme which will look at Infrastructure issues.
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Thank you for raising this interesting perspective Judy. In my humble opinion there is a local perspective to Internet Governance Issues and a Global Perspective to the same. The Local initiative is not tied to the global one and i suppose this might give us some leeway to review whether we need to continue with it or not. In my opinion, i do feel with or without the global initiative we have to carry on with our local version of the Internet Governance Forum. I might not have an authoritative opinion in so far as Internet usage statistics are concerned but as far as i know we still have less than ten million Internet users which leads me to ask the question why? to attempt to answer myself i will attempt to identify the various constituencies on the Internet Children Youth Small and Medium Enterprises Banks Academia Technical Community Governmnet all this are sources of income for the governmnet and if we are to grow our GDP it is imperative that we get all this stakeholders together and identify their priorities in so far as Internet Usage is Concerned. Why should education be expensive with e-learning?, why should healthcare be costly with e-health, why should banking be costly with e-banking?, i hope this makes a case for the vailidity of the Kenya IGF forum, differing perspectives are invited though :-) On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Judy Okite <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Barrack,All,
thank you for this introduction and I look forward to these deliberations, however my question is
"how long is the mandate for the Kenya IGF?"
this year's focus on the global event is reviewing their 5year mandate and look at its possible extension and why.....having borrowed the 'not a decision making ,model' from the global event, are we looking at a possible time lapse as well?
Kind Regards,
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
Dear Listers,
Another year has gone by and it is time to review the deliberations that were made during last years discussions which was moderated by Walu and Mwende Njiraini. While reflecting on this it is important to note that the IGF process is not a decision making mechanism but a platform for multistakeholder dialogue, the idea is to bring together organisations and persons involved in Internet public policy formulation. It is this organisations and persons that make the decisions or implement the changes that are required in the public space. This notwithsatnding, the Kenya IGF has made immense contribution to the East African IGF which is by far one of the best regional initiatives globally and provides a benchmark for other Regional initiatives that are coming up in Africa and the Global IGF process. Last years report is attached to this thread and i would like to invite listers to skim through it an identify issues that might need to be revisited and or reviewed. In addition you may propose areas that need to be taken into consideration as we prepare for the face to face discussions at the end of this Month. Please note that discussions around this theme will take one day however you may continue with the thread even after we have moved to the next theme which will look at Infrastructure issues.
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On 5 July 2010 14:18, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you for raising this interesting perspective Judy. In my humble opinion there is a local perspective to Internet Governance Issues and a Global Perspective to the same. The Local initiative is not tied to the global one and i suppose this might give us some leeway to review whether we need to continue with it or not. In my opinion, i do feel with or without the global initiative we have to carry on with our local version of the Internet Governance Forum. I might not have an authoritative opinion in so far as Internet usage statistics are concerned but as far as i know we still have less than ten million Internet users which leads me to ask the question why? to attempt to answer myself i will attempt to identify the various constituencies on the Internet Children Youth Small and Medium Enterprises Banks Academia Technical Community Governmnet all this are sources of income for the governmnet and if we are to grow our GDP it is imperative that we get all this stakeholders together and identify their priorities in so far as Internet Usage is Concerned.
Why should education be expensive with e-learning?, why should healthcare be costly with e-health, why should banking be costly with e-banking?
It think the main issue here is the classified into two aspects: the willing buyer versus the willing seller (as-is) and the imposed buyer. Logically, the reason as to why we find anything e-something is costly than physical appearance, is because the society has not fully appreciated and acknowledged the need for adapting to change. In essence, mass education can work well in changing the mindset.
, i hope this makes a case for the vailidity of the Kenya IGF forum, differing perspectives are invited though :-)
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Judy Okite <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Barrack,All,
thank you for this introduction and I look forward to these deliberations, however my question is
"how long is the mandate for the Kenya IGF?"
this year's focus on the global event is reviewing their 5year mandate and look at its possible extension and why.....having borrowed the 'not a decision making ,model' from the global event, are we looking at a possible time lapse as well?
Kind Regards,
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
Dear Listers,
Another year has gone by and it is time to review the deliberations that were made during last years discussions which was moderated by Walu and Mwende Njiraini. While reflecting on this it is important to note that the IGF process is not a decision making mechanism but a platform for multistakeholder dialogue, the idea is to bring together organisations and persons involved in Internet public policy formulation. It is this organisations and persons that make the decisions or implement the changes that are required in the public space. This notwithsatnding, the Kenya IGF has made immense contribution to the East African IGF which is by far one of the best regional initiatives globally and provides a benchmark for other Regional initiatives that are coming up in Africa and the Global IGF process. Last years report is attached to this thread and i would like to invite listers to skim through it an identify issues that might need to be revisited and or reviewed. In addition you may propose areas that need to be taken into consideration as we prepare for the face to face discussions at the end of this Month. Please note that discussions around this theme will take one day however you may continue with the thread even after we have moved to the next theme which will look at Infrastructure issues.
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Interesting perspective Solomon, in other words we have to dispell the notion e=Costly, the private secotr seems to be getting this very well but the same case doesnt seem to apply to the governmnet, could the challenge be the existing legal regime? on another note i am appaled by the fact that i cannot do an online degree from a Kenyan University while outside the country, yet we have the best brains in Computer Science, i wonder where we go wrong, anyway your point is note mass education and capacity building. On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
On 5 July 2010 14:18, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you for raising this interesting perspective Judy. In my humble opinion there is a local perspective to Internet Governance Issues and a Global Perspective to the same. The Local initiative is not tied to the global one and i suppose this might give us some leeway to review whether we need to continue with it or not. In my opinion, i do feel with or without the global initiative we have to carry on with our local version of the Internet Governance Forum. I might not have an authoritative opinion in so far as Internet usage statistics are concerned but as far as i know we still have less than ten million Internet users which leads me to ask the question why? to attempt to answer myself i will attempt to identify the various constituencies on the Internet Children Youth Small and Medium Enterprises Banks Academia Technical Community Governmnet all this are sources of income for the governmnet and if we are to grow our GDP it is imperative that we get all this stakeholders together and identify their priorities in so far as Internet Usage is Concerned.
Why should education be expensive with e-learning?, why should healthcare be costly with e-health, why should banking be costly with e-banking?
It think the main issue here is the classified into two aspects: the willing buyer versus the willing seller (as-is) and the imposed buyer. Logically, the reason as to why we find anything e-something is costly than physical appearance, is because the society has not fully appreciated and acknowledged the need for adapting to change. In essence, mass education can work well in changing the mindset.
, i hope this makes a case for the vailidity of the Kenya IGF forum, differing perspectives are invited though :-)
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Judy Okite <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Barrack,All,
thank you for this introduction and I look forward to these deliberations, however my question is
"how long is the mandate for the Kenya IGF?"
this year's focus on the global event is reviewing their 5year mandate and look at its possible extension and why.....having borrowed the 'not a decision making ,model' from the global event, are we looking at a possible time lapse as well?
Kind Regards,
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com
wrote:
Dear Listers,
Another year has gone by and it is time to review the deliberations that were made during last years discussions which was moderated by Walu and Mwende Njiraini. While reflecting on this it is important to note that the IGF process is not a decision making mechanism but a platform for multistakeholder dialogue, the idea is to bring together organisations and persons involved in Internet public policy formulation. It is this organisations and persons that make the decisions or implement the changes that are required in the public space. This notwithsatnding, the Kenya IGF has made immense contribution to the East African IGF which is by far one of the best regional initiatives globally and provides a benchmark for other Regional initiatives that are coming up in Africa and the Global IGF process. Last years report is attached to this thread and i would like to invite listers to skim through it an identify issues that might need to be revisited and or reviewed. In addition you may propose areas that need to be taken into consideration as we prepare for the face to face discussions at the end of this Month. Please note that discussions around this theme will take one day however you may continue with the thread even after we have moved to the next theme which will look at Infrastructure issues.
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AND
It is better to die in dignity than in the ignomity of ambiguous generosity!
-- Barrack O. Otieno +41767892272 Skype: barrack.otieno
Thank you, Gentlemen, However, my question still remains, does or should KI-IGF have a stipulated mandate/time...where its tasks can be evaluated? has it been instrumental in achieving something to/for the stipulated Multi-stakeholders mentioned? can K-IGF be part of Kenya's vision 2030? ???? your thoughts are welcomed and appreciated. Kind Regards, On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
On 5 July 2010 14:18, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you for raising this interesting perspective Judy. In my humble opinion there is a local perspective to Internet Governance Issues and a Global Perspective to the same. The Local initiative is not tied to the global one and i suppose this might give us some leeway to review whether we need to continue with it or not. In my opinion, i do feel with or without the global initiative we have to carry on with our local version of the Internet Governance Forum. I might not have an authoritative opinion in so far as Internet usage statistics are concerned but as far as i know we still have less than ten million Internet users which leads me to ask the question why? to attempt to answer myself i will attempt to identify the various constituencies on the Internet Children Youth Small and Medium Enterprises Banks Academia Technical Community Governmnet all this are sources of income for the governmnet and if we are to grow our GDP it is imperative that we get all this stakeholders together and identify their priorities in so far as Internet Usage is Concerned.
Why should education be expensive with e-learning?, why should healthcare be costly with e-health, why should banking be costly with e-banking?
It think the main issue here is the classified into two aspects: the willing buyer versus the willing seller (as-is) and the imposed buyer. Logically, the reason as to why we find anything e-something is costly than physical appearance, is because the society has not fully appreciated and acknowledged the need for adapting to change. In essence, mass education can work well in changing the mindset.
, i hope this makes a case for the vailidity of the Kenya IGF forum, differing perspectives are invited though :-)
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Judy Okite <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Barrack,All,
thank you for this introduction and I look forward to these deliberations, however my question is
"how long is the mandate for the Kenya IGF?"
this year's focus on the global event is reviewing their 5year mandate and look at its possible extension and why.....having borrowed the 'not a decision making ,model' from the global event, are we looking at a possible time lapse as well?
Kind Regards,
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com
wrote:
Dear Listers,
Another year has gone by and it is time to review the deliberations that were made during last years discussions which was moderated by Walu and Mwende Njiraini. While reflecting on this it is important to note that the IGF process is not a decision making mechanism but a platform for multistakeholder dialogue, the idea is to bring together organisations and persons involved in Internet public policy formulation. It is this organisations and persons that make the decisions or implement the changes that are required in the public space. This notwithsatnding, the Kenya IGF has made immense contribution to the East African IGF which is by far one of the best regional initiatives globally and provides a benchmark for other Regional initiatives that are coming up in Africa and the Global IGF process. Last years report is attached to this thread and i would like to invite listers to skim through it an identify issues that might need to be revisited and or reviewed. In addition you may propose areas that need to be taken into consideration as we prepare for the face to face discussions at the end of this Month. Please note that discussions around this theme will take one day however you may continue with the thread even after we have moved to the next theme which will look at Infrastructure issues.
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Thank you, Gentlemen,
However, my question still remains, does or should KI-IGF have a stipulated mandate/time...where its tasks can be evaluated? has it been instrumental in achieving something to/for the stipulated Multi-stakeholders mentioned?
can K-IGF be part of Kenya's vision 2030?
????
Interesting thought here. KIGF's mandate should go beyond the EAIGF and as you've suggested, be part of Vision 2030, since this is the only document
On 5 July 2010 14:39, Judy Okite <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote: that has long term priorities for making Kenya a middle level society by 2030, or earlier, of course, unless, politicians mutilate it as they did with our beloved proposed new constitution of Kenya. In addition, what does the East African Community Protocol have in store for the EAIGF? I see situations where we can exploit opportunities for strengthening the forum in line with the protocol for the betterment of the citizenry. I wouldn't like to believe that the Protocol is just limited to products and not services!
your thoughts are welcomed and appreciated.
Kind Regards,
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
On 5 July 2010 14:18, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you for raising this interesting perspective Judy. In my humble opinion there is a local perspective to Internet Governance Issues and a Global Perspective to the same. The Local initiative is not tied to the global one and i suppose this might give us some leeway to review whether we need to continue with it or not. In my opinion, i do feel with or without the global initiative we have to carry on with our local version of the Internet Governance Forum. I might not have an authoritative opinion in so far as Internet usage statistics are concerned but as far as i know we still have less than ten million Internet users which leads me to ask the question why? to attempt to answer myself i will attempt to identify the various constituencies on the Internet Children Youth Small and Medium Enterprises Banks Academia Technical Community Governmnet all this are sources of income for the governmnet and if we are to grow our GDP it is imperative that we get all this stakeholders together and identify their priorities in so far as Internet Usage is Concerned.
Why should education be expensive with e-learning?, why should healthcare be costly with e-health, why should banking be costly with e-banking?
It think the main issue here is the classified into two aspects: the willing buyer versus the willing seller (as-is) and the imposed buyer. Logically, the reason as to why we find anything e-something is costly than physical appearance, is because the society has not fully appreciated and acknowledged the need for adapting to change. In essence, mass education can work well in changing the mindset.
, i hope this makes a case for the vailidity of the Kenya IGF forum, differing perspectives are invited though :-)
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Judy Okite <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Barrack,All,
thank you for this introduction and I look forward to these deliberations, however my question is
"how long is the mandate for the Kenya IGF?"
this year's focus on the global event is reviewing their 5year mandate and look at its possible extension and why.....having borrowed the 'not a decision making ,model' from the global event, are we looking at a possible time lapse as well?
Kind Regards,
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Barrack Otieno < otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Listers,
Another year has gone by and it is time to review the deliberations that were made during last years discussions which was moderated by Walu and Mwende Njiraini. While reflecting on this it is important to note that the IGF process is not a decision making mechanism but a platform for multistakeholder dialogue, the idea is to bring together organisations and persons involved in Internet public policy formulation. It is this organisations and persons that make the decisions or implement the changes that are required in the public space. This notwithsatnding, the Kenya IGF has made immense contribution to the East African IGF which is by far one of the best regional initiatives globally and provides a benchmark for other Regional initiatives that are coming up in Africa and the Global IGF process. Last years report is attached to this thread and i would like to invite listers to skim through it an identify issues that might need to be revisited and or reviewed. In addition you may propose areas that need to be taken into consideration as we prepare for the face to face discussions at the end of this Month. Please note that discussions around this theme will take one day however you may continue with the thread even after we have moved to the next theme which will look at Infrastructure issues.
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Dear All, Let me start by congratulating the choice of moderators for this year. It is heartening to see the youth in action because today is the leadership platform promised to us yesterday. I hope the discussions shall be as interactive as in the past. I believe we need the Kenya IGF as a learning, lobbying process. While I cannot say the duration it should go on for, for sure it is a current need, and we should keep having it as long as the need exists. Looking at the suggested topics and those that were discussed last year, it is apparent that the issue of (internet) *rights *keeps coming up. I hope that since it is a cross cutting issue, we shall discuss it in more detail and even add a voice to the main IGF on these issues. Looking forward. Regards, On 5 July 2010 15:32, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
On 5 July 2010 14:39, Judy Okite <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you, Gentlemen,
However, my question still remains, does or should KI-IGF have a stipulated mandate/time...where its tasks can be evaluated? has it been instrumental in achieving something to/for the stipulated Multi-stakeholders mentioned?
can K-IGF be part of Kenya's vision 2030?
????
Interesting thought here. KIGF's mandate should go beyond the EAIGF and as you've suggested, be part of Vision 2030, since this is the only document that has long term priorities for making Kenya a middle level society by 2030, or earlier, of course, unless, politicians mutilate it as they did with our beloved proposed new constitution of Kenya. In addition, what does the East African Community Protocol have in store for the EAIGF? I see situations where we can exploit opportunities for strengthening the forum in line with the protocol for the betterment of the citizenry. I wouldn't like to believe that the Protocol is just limited to products and not services!
your thoughts are welcomed and appreciated.
Kind Regards,
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com
wrote:
On 5 July 2010 14:18, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you for raising this interesting perspective Judy. In my humble opinion there is a local perspective to Internet Governance Issues and a Global Perspective to the same. The Local initiative is not tied to the global one and i suppose this might give us some leeway to review whether we need to continue with it or not. In my opinion, i do feel with or without the global initiative we have to carry on with our local version of the Internet Governance Forum. I might not have an authoritative opinion in so far as Internet usage statistics are concerned but as far as i know we still have less than ten million Internet users which leads me to ask the question why? to attempt to answer myself i will attempt to identify the various constituencies on the Internet Children Youth Small and Medium Enterprises Banks Academia Technical Community Governmnet all this are sources of income for the governmnet and if we are to grow our GDP it is imperative that we get all this stakeholders together and identify their priorities in so far as Internet Usage is Concerned.
Why should education be expensive with e-learning?, why should healthcare be costly with e-health, why should banking be costly with e-banking?
It think the main issue here is the classified into two aspects: the willing buyer versus the willing seller (as-is) and the imposed buyer. Logically, the reason as to why we find anything e-something is costly than physical appearance, is because the society has not fully appreciated and acknowledged the need for adapting to change. In essence, mass education can work well in changing the mindset.
, i hope this makes a case for the vailidity of the Kenya IGF forum, differing perspectives are invited though :-)
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Judy Okite <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Barrack,All,
thank you for this introduction and I look forward to these deliberations, however my question is
"how long is the mandate for the Kenya IGF?"
this year's focus on the global event is reviewing their 5year mandate and look at its possible extension and why.....having borrowed the 'not a decision making ,model' from the global event, are we looking at a possible time lapse as well?
Kind Regards,
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Barrack Otieno < otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Listers,
Another year has gone by and it is time to review the deliberations that were made during last years discussions which was moderated by Walu and Mwende Njiraini. While reflecting on this it is important to note that the IGF process is not a decision making mechanism but a platform for multistakeholder dialogue, the idea is to bring together organisations and persons involved in Internet public policy formulation. It is this organisations and persons that make the decisions or implement the changes that are required in the public space. This notwithsatnding, the Kenya IGF has made immense contribution to the East African IGF which is by far one of the best regional initiatives globally and provides a benchmark for other Regional initiatives that are coming up in Africa and the Global IGF process. Last years report is attached to this thread and i would like to invite listers to skim through it an identify issues that might need to be revisited and or reviewed. In addition you may propose areas that need to be taken into consideration as we prepare for the face to face discussions at the end of this Month. Please note that discussions around this theme will take one day however you may continue with the thread even after we have moved to the next theme which will look at Infrastructure issues.
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AND
It is better to die in dignity than in the ignomity of ambiguous generosity!
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-- Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau
***************************************************** Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all the same way to the side of a hill!
AND
It is better to die in dignity than in the ignomity of ambiguous generosity!
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Thanks Walu for providing insight in so far as capacity building is concerned. Grace, your compliments are appreciated, i would also like to acknowledge the fact that you ably represented the youth in the last IGF at Sharm El Sheikh as one of the panelists in the Social Networking session. We shall be discussing e crimes, privacy and Data Security on day 6 and your input is welcome. On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Grace Bomu <nmutungu@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All, Let me start by congratulating the choice of moderators for this year. It is heartening to see the youth in action because today is the leadership platform promised to us yesterday. I hope the discussions shall be as interactive as in the past.
I believe we need the Kenya IGF as a learning, lobbying process. While I cannot say the duration it should go on for, for sure it is a current need, and we should keep having it as long as the need exists.
Looking at the suggested topics and those that were discussed last year, it is apparent that the issue of (internet) *rights *keeps coming up. I hope that since it is a cross cutting issue, we shall discuss it in more detail and even add a voice to the main IGF on these issues.
Looking forward. Regards,
On 5 July 2010 15:32, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
On 5 July 2010 14:39, Judy Okite <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you, Gentlemen,
However, my question still remains, does or should KI-IGF have a stipulated mandate/time...where its tasks can be evaluated? has it been instrumental in achieving something to/for the stipulated Multi-stakeholders mentioned?
can K-IGF be part of Kenya's vision 2030?
????
Interesting thought here. KIGF's mandate should go beyond the EAIGF and as you've suggested, be part of Vision 2030, since this is the only document that has long term priorities for making Kenya a middle level society by 2030, or earlier, of course, unless, politicians mutilate it as they did with our beloved proposed new constitution of Kenya. In addition, what does the East African Community Protocol have in store for the EAIGF? I see situations where we can exploit opportunities for strengthening the forum in line with the protocol for the betterment of the citizenry. I wouldn't like to believe that the Protocol is just limited to products and not services!
your thoughts are welcomed and appreciated.
Kind Regards,
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau < solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
On 5 July 2010 14:18, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you for raising this interesting perspective Judy. In my humble opinion there is a local perspective to Internet Governance Issues and a Global Perspective to the same. The Local initiative is not tied to the global one and i suppose this might give us some leeway to review whether we need to continue with it or not. In my opinion, i do feel with or without the global initiative we have to carry on with our local version of the Internet Governance Forum. I might not have an authoritative opinion in so far as Internet usage statistics are concerned but as far as i know we still have less than ten million Internet users which leads me to ask the question why? to attempt to answer myself i will attempt to identify the various constituencies on the Internet Children Youth Small and Medium Enterprises Banks Academia Technical Community Governmnet all this are sources of income for the governmnet and if we are to grow our GDP it is imperative that we get all this stakeholders together and identify their priorities in so far as Internet Usage is Concerned.
Why should education be expensive with e-learning?, why should healthcare be costly with e-health, why should banking be costly with e-banking?
It think the main issue here is the classified into two aspects: the willing buyer versus the willing seller (as-is) and the imposed buyer. Logically, the reason as to why we find anything e-something is costly than physical appearance, is because the society has not fully appreciated and acknowledged the need for adapting to change. In essence, mass education can work well in changing the mindset.
, i hope this makes a case for the vailidity of the Kenya IGF forum, differing perspectives are invited though :-)
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Judy Okite <judyokite@gmail.com>wrote:
Dear Barrack,All,
thank you for this introduction and I look forward to these deliberations, however my question is
"how long is the mandate for the Kenya IGF?"
this year's focus on the global event is reviewing their 5year mandate and look at its possible extension and why.....having borrowed the 'not a decision making ,model' from the global event, are we looking at a possible time lapse as well?
Kind Regards,
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Barrack Otieno < otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Listers, > > Another year has gone by and it is time to review the deliberations > that were made during last years discussions which was moderated by Walu and > Mwende Njiraini. While reflecting on this it is important to note that the > IGF process is not a decision making mechanism but a platform for > multistakeholder dialogue, the idea is to bring together organisations and > persons involved in Internet public policy formulation. It is this > organisations and persons that make the decisions or implement the changes > that are required in the public space. This notwithsatnding, the Kenya IGF > has made immense contribution to the East African IGF which is by far one of > the best regional initiatives globally and provides a benchmark for other > Regional initiatives that are coming up in Africa and the Global IGF > process. Last years report is attached to this thread and i would like to > invite listers to skim through it an identify issues that might need to be > revisited and or reviewed. In addition you may propose areas that need to be > taken into consideration as we prepare for the face to face discussions at > the end of this Month. Please note that discussions around this theme will > take one day however you may continue with the thread even after we have > moved to the next theme which will look at Infrastructure issues. > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: judyokite@gmail.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/judyokite%40gmail.com > >
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***************************************************** Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all the same way to the side of a hill!
AND
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Barrack Otieno -
Grace Bomu -
Judy Okite -
Solomon Mburu Kamau -
Walubengo J