Hi, I have decided to change the subject so that more of you will actually open this post because we seem to be loosing direction on this most critical issue. It was with utter shock that I read the following comment by Mr. Linus Gitahi, just incase you do not know who that is he is the Cheif Executive Officer of the largest mass media organisation in Eats and Central Africa) “Kenyans are not ready because less than one per cent have decoders. Some have old black and white television sets. What happens to them?” queried Nation Media Group Chief Executive Linus Gitahi. Before proceeding I would like to do for Mr. Gitahi what his staff should have done and explain the issue of the set top box and your TV. The set top box just like, a DVD player, takes a digital signal and converts it into a radio frequency (RF) that can then be received by an analogue device. The black and white TV you are referring to will receive an analogue signal and will not need to understand the digital signal. If you take some time to sit with Dr. Ndemo, who for your information is a business graduate like yourself, he will be able to allay your concerns and also give you a contact who can provide a sub Kes. 1,000/- digital decoder which NMG can then distribute to the needing Kenyans as part of your CSR especially since those viewers are the reason that you receive the advertising revenue that you are so afraid of loosing. Please see attached diagram for an easier understanding of the process. Now if the person at the helm of the largest multimedia organisation in East and Central Africa does not understand what the digital decoder does then we are in serious trouble as relates to the migration and also explains why the incumbent broadcasters are unable to appreciate why they do not need to own a digital distribution network. I feel that Dr. Ndemo must be talking over the heads of the media house executives and maybe he needs me to draft him a statement that will have a fog index of less than 4. Alternatively have a skit done by the likes of Mwala, Papa Shirandula or Mzee Ojwang on what digital migration is all about and how easy it is to implement, ithould also be made available on VCR Tape to allow all those executives to be able to replay. Regards @Meshak, the story you quoted is Maria Antoinette of France who was beheaded and I hope that is not what you are suggesting should be done to Dr. Ndemo @ Kivuva, even come 2015 Kenya will still have poor people unless there is something you might know about the next presidency that will alleviate all Kenyans out of poverty. We switched from leaded to unleaded fuel and our cars still run, we changed from single to multiparty and more recently we got a new constitution what this should remind us all is that the only constant in live is change Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
Robert, Does the Nation Media Group have permission to publish your very relevant and educative points below? :) On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 8:57 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
I have decided to change the subject so that more of you will actually open this post because we seem to be loosing direction on this most critical issue.
It was with utter shock that I read the following comment by Mr. Linus Gitahi, just incase you do not know who that is he is the Cheif Executive Officer of the largest mass media organisation in Eats and Central Africa)
“Kenyans are not ready because less than one per cent have decoders. Some have old black and white television sets. What happens to them?” queried Nation Media Group Chief Executive Linus Gitahi.
Before proceeding I would like to do for Mr. Gitahi what his staff should have done and explain the issue of the set top box and your TV.
The set top box just like, a DVD player, takes a digital signal and converts it into a radio frequency (RF) that can then be received by an analogue device. The black and white TV you are referring to will receive an analogue signal and will not need to understand the digital signal. If you take some time to sit with Dr. Ndemo, who for your information is a business graduate like yourself, he will be able to allay your concerns and also give you a contact who can provide a sub Kes. 1,000/- digital decoder which NMG can then distribute to the needing Kenyans as part of your CSR especially since those viewers are the reason that you receive the advertising revenue that you are so afraid of loosing.
Please see attached diagram for an easier understanding of the process.
Now if the person at the helm of the largest multimedia organisation in East and Central Africa does not understand what the digital decoder does then we are in serious trouble as relates to the migration and also explains why the incumbent broadcasters are unable to appreciate why they do not need to own a digital distribution network.
I feel that Dr. Ndemo must be talking over the heads of the media house executives and maybe he needs me to draft him a statement that will have a fog index of less than 4.
Alternatively have a skit done by the likes of Mwala, Papa Shirandula or Mzee Ojwang on what digital migration is all about and how easy it is to implement, ithould also be made available on VCR Tape to allow all those executives to be able to replay.
Regards
@Meshak, the story you quoted is Maria Antoinette of France who was beheaded and I hope that is not what you are suggesting should be done to Dr. Ndemo
@ Kivuva, even come 2015 Kenya will still have poor people unless there is something you might know about the next presidency that will alleviate all Kenyans out of poverty. We switched from leaded to unleaded fuel and our cars still run, we changed from single to multiparty and more recently we got a new constitution what this should remind us all is that the only constant in live is change
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Hi, They are free to do so but I doubt if it will get past editorial and censorship but I am sure the Standard will be more than willing. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2012, 10:27 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital migration and mass ignorance Robert, Does the Nation Media Group have permission to publish your very relevant and educative points below? :) On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 8:57 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Hi,
I have decided to change the subject so that more of you will
actually open this post because we seem to be loosing direction on this most critical issue.
It was with utter shock that I read the
following comment by Mr. Linus Gitahi, just incase you do not know who that is he is the Cheif Executive Officer of the largest mass media organisation in Eats and Central Africa)
“Kenyans are not ready because less than one per cent have decoders.
Some have old black and white television sets. What happens to them?” queried Nation Media Group Chief Executive Linus Gitahi.
Before
proceeding I would like to do for Mr. Gitahi what his staff should have done and explain the issue of the set top box and your TV.
The
set top box just like, a DVD player, takes a digital signal and converts it into a radio frequency (RF) that can then be received by an analogue device. The black and white TV you are referring to will receive an analogue signal and will not need to understand the digital signal. If you take some time to sit with Dr. Ndemo, who for your information is a business graduate like yourself, he will be able to allay your concerns and also give you a contact who can provide a sub Kes. 1,000/- digital decoder which NMG can then distribute to the needing Kenyans as part of your CSR especially since those viewers are the reason that you receive the advertising revenue that you are so afraid of loosing.
Please see attached diagram for an easier understanding of the process.
Now
if the person at the helm of the largest multimedia organisation in East and Central Africa does not understand what the digital decoder does then we are in serious trouble as relates to the migration and also explains why the incumbent broadcasters are unable to appreciate why they do not need to own a digital distribution network.
I feel
that Dr. Ndemo must be talking over the heads of the media house executives and maybe he needs me to draft him a statement that will have a fog index of less than 4.
Alternatively have a skit done by the
likes of Mwala, Papa Shirandula or Mzee Ojwang on what digital migration is all about and how easy it is to implement, ithould also be made available on VCR Tape to allow all those executives to be able to replay.
Regards
@Meshak, the story you quoted is Maria Antoinette of France who was beheaded and I hope that is not what you are suggesting should be done to Dr. Ndemo
@
Kivuva, even come 2015 Kenya will still have poor people unless there is something you might know about the next presidency that will alleviate all Kenyans out of poverty. We switched from leaded to unleaded fuel and our cars still run, we changed from single to multiparty and more recently we got a new constitution what this should remind us all is that the only constant in live is change
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Hi Robert I'm sorry but I do not see how Mr Gitahi's statement shows a lack of understanding of the decoder. Please elucidate? I myself do not have a set top box or decoder. Also, you say "The black and white TV you are referring to will receive an analogue signal and will not need to understand the digital signal. " Pls explain why not? Rgds Francis On 5 December 2012 08:57, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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@Hook, Let me quote what Bobby attributed to Mr. Linus Gitahi (sorry, I did not hear Linus first hand). <quote> “Kenyans are not ready because less than one per cent have decoders. Some have old black and white television sets. What happens to them?” queried Nation Media Group Chief Executive Linus Gitahi. </quote> If that is truly what Mr. Gitahi said, then I must say it is nonsense. I must side with Robert on this. Why? Almost ALL TVs in Kenya (with the exception of a few that Samsung brought into the market recently) are analog. They all need a Set Top Box (STB) to receive the Digital signals when the analog transmission is switched off regardless of whether they are color or back&white TVs. I believe you are not asking Bobby to explain to you what an STB does. I hope this answers both your questions, especially if you've looked at the diagrams Bobby attached. On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com>wrote:
Hi Robert I'm sorry but I do not see how Mr Gitahi's statement shows a lack of understanding of the decoder. Please elucidate? I myself do not have a set top box or decoder.
Also, you say "The black and white TV you are referring to will receive an analogue signal and will not need to understand the digital signal. " Pls explain why not?
Rgds Francis
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Hi Washington Thanks. I think have rudimentary knowledge of what a set top box is - is it a device used to convert digital signals to allow an analogue TV to receive them? If so, then I still do not get why it should be said Linus does not understand. Is it because he used the word "decoder" instead of "set top box"? Sorry i still do get it. Can anyone else enlighten me? Rgds F On 5 December 2012 11:26, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
@Hook,
Let me quote what Bobby attributed to Mr. Linus Gitahi (sorry, I did not hear Linus first hand).
<quote>
“Kenyans are not ready because less than one per cent have decoders. Some have old black and white television sets. What happens to them?” queried Nation Media Group Chief Executive Linus Gitahi. </quote>
If that is truly what Mr. Gitahi said, then I must say it is nonsense. I must side with Robert on this. Why? Almost ALL TVs in Kenya (with the exception of a few that Samsung brought into the market recently) are analog. They all need a Set Top Box (STB) to receive the Digital signals when the analog transmission is switched off regardless of whether they are color or back&white TVs. I believe you are not asking Bobby to explain to you what an STB does.
I hope this answers both your questions, especially if you've looked at the diagrams Bobby attached.
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Robert I'm sorry but I do not see how Mr Gitahi's statement shows a lack of understanding of the decoder. Please elucidate? I myself do not have a set top box or decoder.
Also, you say "The black and white TV you are referring to will receive an analogue signal and will not need to understand the digital signal. " Pls explain why not?
Rgds Francis
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Hi Francis, It's because of the following part of his statement: "....Some have old black and white television sets. What happens to them?”" We need to ask him what he meant. I hope he didn't mean to say that B&W TVs cannot use a STB. On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com>wrote:
Hi Washington Thanks. I think have rudimentary knowledge of what a set top box is - is it a device used to convert digital signals to allow an analogue TV to receive them?
If so, then I still do not get why it should be said Linus does not understand. Is it because he used the word "decoder" instead of "set top box"? Sorry i still do get it.
Can anyone else enlighten me?
Rgds
F
@Hook,
Let me quote what Bobby attributed to Mr. Linus Gitahi (sorry, I did not hear Linus first hand).
<quote>
“Kenyans are not ready because less than one per cent have decoders. Some have old black and white television sets. What happens to them?” queried Nation Media Group Chief Executive Linus Gitahi. </quote>
If that is truly what Mr. Gitahi said, then I must say it is nonsense. I must side with Robert on this. Why? Almost ALL TVs in Kenya (with the exception of a few that Samsung brought into the market recently) are analog. They all need a Set Top Box (STB) to receive the Digital signals when the analog transmission is switched off regardless of whether they are color or back&white TVs. I believe you are not asking Bobby to explain to you what an STB does.
I hope this answers both your questions, especially if you've looked at
On 5 December 2012 11:26, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: the
diagrams Bobby attached.
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Robert I'm sorry but I do not see how Mr Gitahi's statement shows a lack of understanding of the decoder. Please elucidate? I myself do not have a set top box or decoder.
Also, you say "The black and white TV you are referring to will receive an analogue signal and will not need to understand the digital signal. " Pls explain why not?
Rgds Francis
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I'd surmise he (rightly) meant that some people cannot afford a colour TV let alone a decoder. So what happens to them? On 5 December 2012 12:56, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Francis,
It's because of the following part of his statement: "....Some have old black and white television sets. What happens to them?”"
We need to ask him what he meant. I hope he didn't mean to say that B&W TVs cannot use a STB.
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Washington Thanks. I think have rudimentary knowledge of what a set top box is - is it a device used to convert digital signals to allow an analogue TV to receive them?
If so, then I still do not get why it should be said Linus does not understand. Is it because he used the word "decoder" instead of "set top box"? Sorry i still do get it.
Can anyone else enlighten me?
Rgds
F
On 5 December 2012 11:26, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
@Hook,
Let me quote what Bobby attributed to Mr. Linus Gitahi (sorry, I did not hear Linus first hand).
<quote>
“Kenyans are not ready because less than one per cent have decoders. Some have old black and white television sets. What happens to them?” queried Nation Media Group Chief Executive Linus Gitahi. </quote>
If that is truly what Mr. Gitahi said, then I must say it is nonsense. I must side with Robert on this. Why? Almost ALL TVs in Kenya (with the exception of a few that Samsung brought into the market recently) are analog. They all need a Set Top Box (STB) to receive the Digital signals when the analog transmission is switched off regardless of whether they are color or back&white TVs. I believe you are not asking Bobby to explain to you what an STB does.
I hope this answers both your questions, especially if you've looked at the diagrams Bobby attached.
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Robert I'm sorry but I do not see how Mr Gitahi's statement shows a lack of understanding of the decoder. Please elucidate? I myself do not have a set top box or decoder.
Also, you say "The black and white TV you are referring to will receive an analogue signal and will not need to understand the digital signal. " Pls explain why not?
Rgds Francis
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My understanding is that he meant the B&W TVs cannot use STBs, which might be right or wrong, depending on the interfaces provided on the TV for connecting input devices. All TVs are not the same. We should not wait till everyone can afford STBs. They will catch up one day:-) We cannot wait till everyone buys a car so that we start taking a journey than can only be taken by car. Those who don't will "take a lift" from those who have already. Those whose TVs stop working can watch at the neighbors. On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com> wrote:
I'd surmise he (rightly) meant that some people cannot afford a colour TV let alone a decoder. So what happens to them?
Hi Francis,
It's because of the following part of his statement: "....Some have old black and white television sets. What happens to them?”"
We need to ask him what he meant. I hope he didn't mean to say that B&W TVs cannot use a STB.
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Washington Thanks. I think have rudimentary knowledge of what a set top box is - is it a device used to convert digital signals to allow an analogue TV to receive them?
If so, then I still do not get why it should be said Linus does not understand. Is it because he used the word "decoder" instead of "set top box"? Sorry i still do get it.
Can anyone else enlighten me?
Rgds
F
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wrote:
@Hook,
Let me quote what Bobby attributed to Mr. Linus Gitahi (sorry, I did not hear Linus first hand).
<quote>
“Kenyans are not ready because less than one per cent have decoders. Some have old black and white television sets. What happens to them?” queried Nation Media Group Chief Executive Linus Gitahi. </quote>
If that is truly what Mr. Gitahi said, then I must say it is nonsense. I must side with Robert on this. Why? Almost ALL TVs in Kenya (with the exception of a few that Samsung brought into the market recently) are analog. They all need a Set Top Box (STB) to receive the Digital signals when the analog transmission is switched off regardless of whether they are color or back&white TVs. I believe you are not asking Bobby to explain to you what an STB does.
I hope this answers both your questions, especially if you've looked at the diagrams Bobby attached.
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi Robert I'm sorry but I do not see how Mr Gitahi's statement shows a lack of understanding of the decoder. Please elucidate? I myself do not
have
a set top box or decoder.
Also, you say "The black and white TV you are referring to will receive an analogue signal and will not need to understand the digital signal. " Pls explain why not?
Rgds Francis
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All said and done if the price is right everyone can get a set top box. The 1000/- bob setup would really get us going. There was discussion about the paid service would be ad free while the free to air would be ad driven is that still the case. On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
My understanding is that he meant the B&W TVs cannot use STBs, which might be right or wrong, depending on the interfaces provided on the TV for connecting input devices. All TVs are not the same. We should not wait till everyone can afford STBs. They will catch up one day:-) We cannot wait till everyone buys a car so that we start taking a journey than can only be taken by car. Those who don't will "take a lift" from those who have already. Those whose TVs stop working can watch at the neighbors.
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com>wrote:
I'd surmise he (rightly) meant that some people cannot afford a colour TV let alone a decoder. So what happens to them?
Hi Francis,
It's because of the following part of his statement: "....Some have old black and white television sets. What happens to them?”"
We need to ask him what he meant. I hope he didn't mean to say that B&W TVs cannot use a STB.
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Washington Thanks. I think have rudimentary knowledge of what a set top box is - is it a device used to convert digital signals to allow an analogue TV to receive them?
If so, then I still do not get why it should be said Linus does not understand. Is it because he used the word "decoder" instead of "set top box"? Sorry i still do get it.
Can anyone else enlighten me?
Rgds
F
On 5 December 2012 11:26, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>
wrote:
@Hook,
Let me quote what Bobby attributed to Mr. Linus Gitahi (sorry, I did not hear Linus first hand).
<quote>
“Kenyans are not ready because less than one per cent have decoders. Some have old black and white television sets. What happens to them?” queried Nation Media Group Chief Executive Linus Gitahi. </quote>
If that is truly what Mr. Gitahi said, then I must say it is nonsense. I must side with Robert on this. Why? Almost ALL TVs in Kenya (with the exception of a few that Samsung brought into the market recently) are analog. They all need a Set Top Box (STB) to receive the Digital signals when the analog transmission is switched off regardless of whether they are color or back&white TVs. I believe you are not asking Bobby to explain to you what an STB does.
I hope this answers both your questions, especially if you've looked at the diagrams Bobby attached.
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Francis Hook < francis.hook@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Robert I'm sorry but I do not see how Mr Gitahi's statement shows a lack of understanding of the decoder. Please elucidate? I myself do not
have
a set top box or decoder.
Also, you say "The black and white TV you are referring to will receive an analogue signal and will not need to understand the digital signal. " Pls explain why not?
Rgds Francis
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<Vision 2030:> UoN was supposed to produce STBs, right? Kwani what happened? Well, they need to start with producing bicycles before they can get to electronics. The govt can facilitate Huawei (through single-sourcing) to bring in 1 million STBs, each valued at about 1,000. I believe Nairobians can take all those in 2 weeks. Problem solved. The other parts of Kenya can wait for their consignment in the planned months before switch off. </Vision 2030> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 3:17 PM, kris njoroge <krsnjo@gmail.com> wrote:
All said and done if the price is right everyone can get a set top box. The 1000/- bob setup would really get us going. There was discussion about the paid service would be ad free while the free to air would be ad driven is that still the case.
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
My understanding is that he meant the B&W TVs cannot use STBs, which might be right or wrong, depending on the interfaces provided on the TV for connecting input devices. All TVs are not the same. We should not wait till everyone can afford STBs. They will catch up one day:-) We cannot wait till everyone buys a car so that we start taking a journey than can only be taken by car. Those who don't will "take a lift" from those who have already. Those whose TVs stop working can watch at the neighbors.
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com>wrote:
I'd surmise he (rightly) meant that some people cannot afford a colour TV let alone a decoder. So what happens to them?
Hi Francis,
It's because of the following part of his statement: "....Some have
black and white television sets. What happens to them?”"
We need to ask him what he meant. I hope he didn't mean to say that B&W TVs cannot use a STB.
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Washington Thanks. I think have rudimentary knowledge of what a set top box is - is it a device used to convert digital signals to allow an analogue TV to receive them?
If so, then I still do not get why it should be said Linus does not understand. Is it because he used the word "decoder" instead of "set top box"? Sorry i still do get it.
Can anyone else enlighten me?
Rgds
F
On 5 December 2012 11:26, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>
wrote:
@Hook,
Let me quote what Bobby attributed to Mr. Linus Gitahi (sorry, I did not hear Linus first hand).
<quote>
“Kenyans are not ready because less than one per cent have decoders. Some have old black and white television sets. What happens to them?” queried Nation Media Group Chief Executive Linus Gitahi. </quote>
If that is truly what Mr. Gitahi said, then I must say it is nonsense. I must side with Robert on this. Why? Almost ALL TVs in Kenya (with the exception of a few that Samsung brought into the market recently) are analog. They all need a Set Top Box (STB) to receive the Digital signals when the analog transmission is switched off regardless of whether they are color or back&white TVs. I believe you are not asking Bobby to explain to you what an STB does.
I hope this answers both your questions, especially if you've looked at the diagrams Bobby attached.
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Francis Hook < francis.hook@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Robert > I'm sorry but I do not see how Mr Gitahi's statement shows a lack of > understanding of the decoder. Please elucidate? I myself do not have > a set top box or decoder. > > Also, you say "The black and white TV you are referring to will > receive an analogue signal and will not need to understand the digital > signal. " Pls explain why not? > > Rgds > Francis > > On 5 December 2012 08:57, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > trouble > > > > -- > Francis Hook > +254 733 504561 > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/odhiambo%40gmail.com > > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder
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The good of capitalism is to let government set policies, and businessmen do trade. I am sure hundreds of thousands of set boxes are in the high seas destination Kilindini. On 05/12/2012, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
<Vision 2030:>
UoN was supposed to produce STBs, right? Kwani what happened? Well, they need to start with producing bicycles before they can get to electronics.
The govt can facilitate Huawei (through single-sourcing) to bring in 1 million STBs, each valued at about 1,000. I believe Nairobians can take all those in 2 weeks. Problem solved.
The other parts of Kenya can wait for their consignment in the planned months before switch off.
</Vision 2030>
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 3:17 PM, kris njoroge <krsnjo@gmail.com> wrote:
All said and done if the price is right everyone can get a set top box. The 1000/- bob setup would really get us going. There was discussion about the paid service would be ad free while the free to air would be ad driven is that still the case.
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
My understanding is that he meant the B&W TVs cannot use STBs, which might be right or wrong, depending on the interfaces provided on the TV for connecting input devices. All TVs are not the same. We should not wait till everyone can afford STBs. They will catch up one day:-) We cannot wait till everyone buys a car so that we start taking a journey than can only be taken by car. Those who don't will "take a lift" from those who have already. Those whose TVs stop working can watch at the neighbors.
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com>wrote:
I'd surmise he (rightly) meant that some people cannot afford a colour TV let alone a decoder. So what happens to them?
Hi Francis,
It's because of the following part of his statement: "....Some have
black and white television sets. What happens to them?”"
We need to ask him what he meant. I hope he didn't mean to say that B&W TVs cannot use a STB.
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Washington Thanks. I think have rudimentary knowledge of what a set top box is - is it a device used to convert digital signals to allow an analogue TV to receive them?
If so, then I still do not get why it should be said Linus does not understand. Is it because he used the word "decoder" instead of "set top box"? Sorry i still do get it.
Can anyone else enlighten me?
Rgds
F
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wrote:
> @Hook, > > Let me quote what Bobby attributed to Mr. Linus Gitahi (sorry, I did not > hear Linus first hand). > > <quote> > > “Kenyans are not ready because less than one per cent have > decoders. > Some > have old black and white television sets. What happens to them?” queried > Nation Media Group Chief Executive Linus Gitahi. > </quote> > > If that is truly what Mr. Gitahi said, then I must say it is nonsense. I > must side with Robert on this. Why? > Almost ALL TVs in Kenya (with the exception of a few that Samsung > brought > into the market recently) are analog. They all need a Set Top Box (STB) > to > receive the Digital signals when the analog transmission is switched off > regardless of whether they are color or back&white TVs. I believe you > are > not asking Bobby to explain to you what an STB does. > > I hope this answers both your questions, especially if you've looked at > the > diagrams Bobby attached. > > > > On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Francis Hook < francis.hook@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Hi Robert >> I'm sorry but I do not see how Mr Gitahi's statement shows a lack of >> understanding of the decoder. Please elucidate? I myself do not have >> a set top box or decoder. >> >> Also, you say "The black and white TV you are referring to will >> receive an analogue signal and will not need to understand the digital >> signal. " Pls explain why not? >> >> Rgds >> Francis >> >> On 5 December 2012 08:57, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> > trouble >> >> >> >> -- >> Francis Hook >> +254 733 504561 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke >> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> >> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/odhiambo%40gmail.com >> >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder
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>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and >> development. >> >> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors >> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and >> bandwidth, >> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect
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I agree with Hook int saying that if the Govt. was serious about the migration then they would have facilitated importation of the set-top boxes if not banning imports of analogue tvs. The case being that they didn't do that what now? Push the deadline again? and again? I read a lot of mischief too in declaring that a potentially humongous swath of the country will have no access to the TV news come January 2013. Where are the Set-top boxes? and where is the movement of the government in educating the public why they need to bother with these fangled contraptions? The media campaign with TVs swimming across a river elicited curiosity, not action. On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
My understanding is that he meant the B&W TVs cannot use STBs, which might be right or wrong, depending on the interfaces provided on the TV for connecting input devices. All TVs are not the same. We should not wait till everyone can afford STBs. They will catch up one day:-) We cannot wait till everyone buys a car so that we start taking a journey than can only be taken by car. Those who don't will "take a lift" from those who have already. Those whose TVs stop working can watch at the neighbors.
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com>wrote:
I'd surmise he (rightly) meant that some people cannot afford a colour TV let alone a decoder. So what happens to them?
Hi Francis,
It's because of the following part of his statement: "....Some have old black and white television sets. What happens to them?”"
We need to ask him what he meant. I hope he didn't mean to say that B&W TVs cannot use a STB.
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Washington Thanks. I think have rudimentary knowledge of what a set top box is - is it a device used to convert digital signals to allow an analogue TV to receive them?
If so, then I still do not get why it should be said Linus does not understand. Is it because he used the word "decoder" instead of "set top box"? Sorry i still do get it.
Can anyone else enlighten me?
Rgds
F
On 5 December 2012 11:26, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>
wrote:
@Hook,
Let me quote what Bobby attributed to Mr. Linus Gitahi (sorry, I did not hear Linus first hand).
<quote>
“Kenyans are not ready because less than one per cent have decoders. Some have old black and white television sets. What happens to them?” queried Nation Media Group Chief Executive Linus Gitahi. </quote>
If that is truly what Mr. Gitahi said, then I must say it is nonsense. I must side with Robert on this. Why? Almost ALL TVs in Kenya (with the exception of a few that Samsung brought into the market recently) are analog. They all need a Set Top Box (STB) to receive the Digital signals when the analog transmission is switched off regardless of whether they are color or back&white TVs. I believe you are not asking Bobby to explain to you what an STB does.
I hope this answers both your questions, especially if you've looked at the diagrams Bobby attached.
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Francis Hook < francis.hook@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Robert I'm sorry but I do not see how Mr Gitahi's statement shows a lack of understanding of the decoder. Please elucidate? I myself do not
have
a set top box or decoder.
Also, you say "The black and white TV you are referring to will receive an analogue signal and will not need to understand the digital signal. " Pls explain why not?
Rgds Francis
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Dear All, Great voices on the issue of digital switchover. I wrote some article late last year attached for your consideration. HENRY O. MAINA DIRECTOR ARTICLE 19 KENYA/EASTERN AFRICA P O BOX 2653,00100 NAIROBI TEL:+254 (20) 3862230/2 FAX:+254 (20) 3862231 EMAIL: henry@article19.org ________________________________________ From: kictanet [kictanet-bounces+henry=article19.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke] on behalf of Mark Mwangi [mwangy@gmail.com] Sent: 05 December 2012 03:34 PM To: Henry Maina Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital migration and mass ignorance I agree with Hook int saying that if the Govt. was serious about the migration then they would have facilitated importation of the set-top boxes if not banning imports of analogue tvs. The case being that they didn't do that what now? Push the deadline again? and again? I read a lot of mischief too in declaring that a potentially humongous swath of the country will have no access to the TV news come January 2013. Where are the Set-top boxes? and where is the movement of the government in educating the public why they need to bother with these fangled contraptions? The media campaign with TVs swimming across a river elicited curiosity, not action. On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com<mailto:odhiambo@gmail.com>> wrote: My understanding is that he meant the B&W TVs cannot use STBs, which might be right or wrong, depending on the interfaces provided on the TV for connecting input devices. All TVs are not the same. We should not wait till everyone can afford STBs. They will catch up one day:-) We cannot wait till everyone buys a car so that we start taking a journey than can only be taken by car. Those who don't will "take a lift" from those who have already. Those whose TVs stop working can watch at the neighbors. On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com<mailto:francis.hook@gmail.com>> wrote: I'd surmise he (rightly) meant that some people cannot afford a colour TV let alone a decoder. So what happens to them? On 5 December 2012 12:56, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com<mailto:odhiambo@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Francis,
It's because of the following part of his statement: "....Some have old black and white television sets. What happens to them?”"
We need to ask him what he meant. I hope he didn't mean to say that B&W TVs cannot use a STB.
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com<mailto:francis.hook@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Washington Thanks. I think have rudimentary knowledge of what a set top box is - is it a device used to convert digital signals to allow an analogue TV to receive them?
If so, then I still do not get why it should be said Linus does not understand. Is it because he used the word "decoder" instead of "set top box"? Sorry i still do get it.
Can anyone else enlighten me?
Rgds
F
On 5 December 2012 11:26, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com<mailto:odhiambo@gmail.com>> wrote:
@Hook,
Let me quote what Bobby attributed to Mr. Linus Gitahi (sorry, I did not hear Linus first hand).
<quote>
“Kenyans are not ready because less than one per cent have decoders. Some have old black and white television sets. What happens to them?” queried Nation Media Group Chief Executive Linus Gitahi. </quote>
If that is truly what Mr. Gitahi said, then I must say it is nonsense. I must side with Robert on this. Why? Almost ALL TVs in Kenya (with the exception of a few that Samsung brought into the market recently) are analog. They all need a Set Top Box (STB) to receive the Digital signals when the analog transmission is switched off regardless of whether they are color or back&white TVs. I believe you are not asking Bobby to explain to you what an STB does.
I hope this answers both your questions, especially if you've looked at the diagrams Bobby attached.
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com<mailto:francis.hook@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Robert I'm sorry but I do not see how Mr Gitahi's statement shows a lack of understanding of the decoder. Please elucidate? I myself do not have a set top box or decoder.
Also, you say "The black and white TV you are referring to will receive an analogue signal and will not need to understand the digital signal. " Pls explain why not?
Rgds Francis
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Dear Mr. Hook, I strongly believe that if you have read my post in full and looked at the diagram you will realise that I have elucidated. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2012, 11:00 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital migration and mass ignorance Hi Robert I'm sorry but I do not see how Mr Gitahi's statement shows a lack of understanding of the decoder. Please elucidate? I myself do not have a set top box or decoder. Also, you say "The black and white TV you are referring to will receive an analogue signal and will not need to understand the digital signal. " Pls explain why not? Rgds Francis On 5 December 2012 08:57, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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I did read the post and look at the diagram. Unless of course I've been thrown adrift because it all seems obvious. Like telling a famine stricken community "Hey, you fools - all you need to is eat!" Not sure if that makes sense. My reading is this: 1 - Linus is concerned that if we migrate abruptly, there are still many TV users who will not afford a set top box/decoder. Which is true and fair enough. I do not see that as shocking or illustrative of lack of understanding. 2 - I'm not sure its their concern, even under CSR, to acquire set top boxes for those without. In which case the mobile operators too should have been implored under so called CSR to provide their (600-700k) subscribers, who had fake phones, alternative handsets so they can continue to make revenue from them. I suppose then that EABL, under similar CSR rules, should subsidise the hefty fines (under the new traffic laws) the police impose on their consumers for driving under the influence :-) 3 - The matter also extends to the "digital dividend" - in so far as freeing up spectrum (I think in the 700-900Mhz range) which can be used for 4G. So I think overall its a delicate matter and the real question is: Do the people need high speed data NOW or can we mark time, allow for decoder acquisition, etc etc then switch to digital later? 4 - The other pertinent question has been raised in the original thread - why did the govt, knowing it planned to switch to digital at a certain date, not stop the importation of analogue TVs two-three years ago and start facilitating low cost set top boxes? Similarly, with the fake handsets issues. I personally believe the govt SHOULD have monitored closely the importation of these devices (CCK, KEBS, etc) and not allow Kenyans to buy them (if we assume each handset cost 1000shs - the est total cost would be abt 700 million shillings ). So 600-700k kenyans lose that much money and have to spend as much again to replace their handsets. In the background, the govt could have made some revenue on import duty/VAT/etc on these fake phones. Not fair IMHO. In an election period, I do not think we should plague the country with this issue esp if people read "mischief" into it as they are oft wont to do. Thx F On 5 December 2012 11:27, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Dear Mr. Hook,
I strongly believe that if you have read my post in full and looked at the diagram you will realise that I have elucidated.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2012, 11:00 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital migration and mass ignorance
Hi Robert I'm sorry but I do not see how Mr Gitahi's statement shows a lack of understanding of the decoder. Please elucidate? I myself do not have a set top box or decoder.
Also, you say "The black and white TV you are referring to will receive an analogue signal and will not need to understand the digital signal. " Pls explain why not?
Rgds Francis
On 5 December 2012 08:57, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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