Looks like Rwanda is about to launch LTE: http://www.newtimes.co.rw/news/index.php?i=15825&a=79508 Any updates on Kenya? Aside from Burundi, Kenya looks set to be the last to launch the service in the East African Community. The last I heard, the Supreme Court blocked the disabling of the analog signals which need to be shut down in order to free up spectrum. In addition, KDF has alot of spectrum that they've been holding onto as well. I figured somebody on this list would have the latest update. -Adam -- Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> More Musings: varud.com About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: I figured somebody on this list would have the latest update. ~~~~ True that Adam. Only problem is that the Gava /Regulator folks have gone awfully quiet in recent times..even our ever-ready Wambua of the CCK fame has not said anything since they became CAK :-) Or perhaps since since we have sued them left, right and center, they are unable to comment on matters before the Bench (it can always be used against you). walu. -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Subject: [kictanet] LTE in Rwanda, TZ, UG To: jwalu@yahoo.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2014, 10:59 AM Looks like Rwanda is about to launch LTE: http://www.newtimes.co.rw/news/index.php?i=15825&a=79508 Any updates on Kenya? Aside from Burundi, Kenya looks set to be the last to launch the service in the East African Community. The last I heard, the Supreme Court blocked the disabling of the analog signals which need to be shut down in order to free up spectrum. In addition, KDF has alot of spectrum that they've been holding onto as well. I figured somebody on this list would have the latest update. -Adam -- Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud More Musings: varud.comAbout Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
It seems that CAK is trying to do the right thing but I can't tell if they have weak lawyers or if the court is just confused or if the rights-holders of the analog spectrum really are being violated. But while we wait, other countries in the region are moving forward. The big problem is that LTE deployment (and digital-only terrestrial TV) takes time and the longer we wait for the start, the further away we are from getting meaningful value out of the transition moving ahead. -- Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> More Musings: varud.com About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: I figured somebody on this list would have the latest update. ~~~~ True that Adam.
Only problem is that the Gava /Regulator folks have gone awfully quiet in recent times..even our ever-ready Wambua of the CCK fame has not said anything since they became CAK :-)
Or perhaps since since we have sued them left, right and center, they are unable to comment on matters before the Bench (it can always be used against you).
walu. -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Subject: [kictanet] LTE in Rwanda, TZ, UG To: jwalu@yahoo.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2014, 10:59 AM
Looks like Rwanda is about to launch LTE: http://www.newtimes.co.rw/news/index.php?i=15825&a=79508
Any updates on Kenya? Aside from Burundi, Kenya looks set to be the last to launch the service in the East African Community. The last I heard, the Supreme Court blocked the disabling of the analog signals which need to be shut down in order to free up spectrum. In addition, KDF has alot of spectrum that they've been holding onto as well.
I figured somebody on this list would have the latest update. -Adam -- Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud More Musings: varud.comAbout Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
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Hi Adam, Kenyans are known for their 11th-hour (in)decisions/actions. You better start thinking & behaving like one:) CAK is doing the right thing, but bedevilled by political forces in the bg. On 25 August 2014 15:36, Adam Nelson via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
It seems that CAK is trying to do the right thing but I can't tell if they have weak lawyers or if the court is just confused or if the rights-holders of the analog spectrum really are being violated.
But while we wait, other countries in the region are moving forward. The big problem is that LTE deployment (and digital-only terrestrial TV) takes time and the longer we wait for the start, the further away we are from getting meaningful value out of the transition moving ahead.
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On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: I figured somebody on this list would have the latest update. ~~~~ True that Adam.
Only problem is that the Gava /Regulator folks have gone awfully quiet in recent times..even our ever-ready Wambua of the CCK fame has not said anything since they became CAK :-)
Or perhaps since since we have sued them left, right and center, they are unable to comment on matters before the Bench (it can always be used against you).
walu. -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Subject: [kictanet] LTE in Rwanda, TZ, UG To: jwalu@yahoo.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2014, 10:59 AM
Looks like Rwanda is about to launch LTE: http://www.newtimes.co.rw/news/index.php?i=15825&a=79508
Any updates on Kenya? Aside from Burundi, Kenya looks set to be the last to launch the service in the East African Community. The last I heard, the Supreme Court blocked the disabling of the analog signals which need to be shut down in order to free up spectrum. In addition, KDF has alot of spectrum that they've been holding onto as well.
I figured somebody on this list would have the latest update. -Adam -- Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud More Musings: varud.comAbout Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
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I am an advocate for tech all the way but would first ask why all the fuss with 4G? Have we maxed out the 3G bandwidth and have we put in place enough fiber to the building already in existence? This rush for the newest and the greatest tech is not after solving problems but earning the likes of Huawei money with little value. I understand that Safaricom faced similar questions when launching 3G and are currently the only one testing 4G and so I may eat my words soon enough. I still think we should be laying more fiber to homes and offices rather than fight for spectrum. On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Adam,
Kenyans are known for their 11th-hour (in)decisions/actions. You better start thinking & behaving like one:) CAK is doing the right thing, but bedevilled by political forces in the bg.
On 25 August 2014 15:36, Adam Nelson via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
It seems that CAK is trying to do the right thing but I can't tell if they have weak lawyers or if the court is just confused or if the rights-holders of the analog spectrum really are being violated.
But while we wait, other countries in the region are moving forward. The big problem is that LTE deployment (and digital-only terrestrial TV) takes time and the longer we wait for the start, the further away we are from getting meaningful value out of the transition moving ahead.
-- Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> More Musings: varud.com About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: I figured somebody on this list would have the latest update. ~~~~ True that Adam.
Only problem is that the Gava /Regulator folks have gone awfully quiet in recent times..even our ever-ready Wambua of the CCK fame has not said anything since they became CAK :-)
Or perhaps since since we have sued them left, right and center, they are unable to comment on matters before the Bench (it can always be used against you).
walu. -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Subject: [kictanet] LTE in Rwanda, TZ, UG To: jwalu@yahoo.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2014, 10:59 AM
Looks like Rwanda is about to launch LTE: http://www.newtimes.co.rw/news/index.php?i=15825&a=79508
Any updates on Kenya? Aside from Burundi, Kenya looks set to be the last to launch the service in the East African Community. The last I heard, the Supreme Court blocked the disabling of the analog signals which need to be shut down in order to free up spectrum. In addition, KDF has alot of spectrum that they've been holding onto as well.
I figured somebody on this list would have the latest update. -Adam -- Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud More Musings: varud.comAbout Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
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It would be most welcome if having 4G will lower data prices. Then again, I doubt the number of users who require 4G is that significant. On 25 August 2014 16:52, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I am an advocate for tech all the way but would first ask why all the fuss with 4G? Have we maxed out the 3G bandwidth and have we put in place enough fiber to the building already in existence?
This rush for the newest and the greatest tech is not after solving problems but earning the likes of Huawei money with little value.
I understand that Safaricom faced similar questions when launching 3G and are currently the only one testing 4G and so I may eat my words soon enough. I still think we should be laying more fiber to homes and offices rather than fight for spectrum.
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Adam,
Kenyans are known for their 11th-hour (in)decisions/actions. You better start thinking & behaving like one:) CAK is doing the right thing, but bedevilled by political forces in the bg.
On 25 August 2014 15:36, Adam Nelson via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
It seems that CAK is trying to do the right thing but I can't tell if they have weak lawyers or if the court is just confused or if the rights-holders of the analog spectrum really are being violated.
But while we wait, other countries in the region are moving forward. The big problem is that LTE deployment (and digital-only terrestrial TV) takes time and the longer we wait for the start, the further away we are from getting meaningful value out of the transition moving ahead.
-- Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> More Musings: varud.com About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: I figured somebody on this list would have the latest update. ~~~~ True that Adam.
Only problem is that the Gava /Regulator folks have gone awfully quiet in recent times..even our ever-ready Wambua of the CCK fame has not said anything since they became CAK :-)
Or perhaps since since we have sued them left, right and center, they are unable to comment on matters before the Bench (it can always be used against you).
walu. -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Subject: [kictanet] LTE in Rwanda, TZ, UG To: jwalu@yahoo.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2014, 10:59 AM
Looks like Rwanda is about to launch LTE: http://www.newtimes.co.rw/news/index.php?i=15825&a=79508
Any updates on Kenya? Aside from Burundi, Kenya looks set to be the last to launch the service in the East African Community. The last I heard, the Supreme Court blocked the disabling of the analog signals which need to be shut down in order to free up spectrum. In addition, KDF has alot of spectrum that they've been holding onto as well.
I figured somebody on this list would have the latest update. -Adam -- Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud More Musings: varud.comAbout Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
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But 4G is not only about higher speeds, but lower latencies too. Therefore applications that require low latency might find 4G to be of benefit on that front. On 25 Aug 2014 16:56, "Odhiambo Washington via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
It would be most welcome if having 4G will lower data prices. Then again, I doubt the number of users who require 4G is that significant.
On 25 August 2014 16:52, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I am an advocate for tech all the way but would first ask why all the fuss with 4G? Have we maxed out the 3G bandwidth and have we put in place enough fiber to the building already in existence?
This rush for the newest and the greatest tech is not after solving problems but earning the likes of Huawei money with little value.
I understand that Safaricom faced similar questions when launching 3G and are currently the only one testing 4G and so I may eat my words soon enough. I still think we should be laying more fiber to homes and offices rather than fight for spectrum.
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Adam,
Kenyans are known for their 11th-hour (in)decisions/actions. You better start thinking & behaving like one:) CAK is doing the right thing, but bedevilled by political forces in the bg.
On 25 August 2014 15:36, Adam Nelson via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
It seems that CAK is trying to do the right thing but I can't tell if they have weak lawyers or if the court is just confused or if the rights-holders of the analog spectrum really are being violated.
But while we wait, other countries in the region are moving forward. The big problem is that LTE deployment (and digital-only terrestrial TV) takes time and the longer we wait for the start, the further away we are from getting meaningful value out of the transition moving ahead.
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On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: I figured somebody on this list would have the latest update. ~~~~ True that Adam.
Only problem is that the Gava /Regulator folks have gone awfully quiet in recent times..even our ever-ready Wambua of the CCK fame has not said anything since they became CAK :-)
Or perhaps since since we have sued them left, right and center, they are unable to comment on matters before the Bench (it can always be used against you).
walu. -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Subject: [kictanet] LTE in Rwanda, TZ, UG To: jwalu@yahoo.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2014, 10:59 AM
Looks like Rwanda is about to launch LTE: http://www.newtimes.co.rw/news/index.php?i=15825&a=79508
Any updates on Kenya? Aside from Burundi, Kenya looks set to be the last to launch the service in the East African Community. The last I heard, the Supreme Court blocked the disabling of the analog signals which need to be shut down in order to free up spectrum. In addition, KDF has alot of spectrum that they've been holding onto as well.
I figured somebody on this list would have the latest update. -Adam -- Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud More Musings: varud.comAbout Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
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Dennis, I am very tempted to Google this, but will go old-skool on this one. I know you could have a low speed - low latency network, but can you have a high speed - high latency network? Waithaka Ngigi Alliance Technologies Nairobi, Kenya www.A1.io On 25 Aug 2014 18:41, "Dennis Kioko via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
But 4G is not only about higher speeds, but lower latencies too. Therefore applications that require low latency might find 4G to be of benefit on that front. On 25 Aug 2014 16:56, "Odhiambo Washington via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
It would be most welcome if having 4G will lower data prices. Then again, I doubt the number of users who require 4G is that significant.
On 25 August 2014 16:52, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I am an advocate for tech all the way but would first ask why all the fuss with 4G? Have we maxed out the 3G bandwidth and have we put in place enough fiber to the building already in existence?
This rush for the newest and the greatest tech is not after solving problems but earning the likes of Huawei money with little value.
I understand that Safaricom faced similar questions when launching 3G and are currently the only one testing 4G and so I may eat my words soon enough. I still think we should be laying more fiber to homes and offices rather than fight for spectrum.
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Adam,
Kenyans are known for their 11th-hour (in)decisions/actions. You better start thinking & behaving like one:) CAK is doing the right thing, but bedevilled by political forces in the bg.
On 25 August 2014 15:36, Adam Nelson via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
It seems that CAK is trying to do the right thing but I can't tell if they have weak lawyers or if the court is just confused or if the rights-holders of the analog spectrum really are being violated.
But while we wait, other countries in the region are moving forward. The big problem is that LTE deployment (and digital-only terrestrial TV) takes time and the longer we wait for the start, the further away we are from getting meaningful value out of the transition moving ahead.
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On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: I figured somebody on this list would have the latest update. ~~~~ True that Adam.
Only problem is that the Gava /Regulator folks have gone awfully quiet in recent times..even our ever-ready Wambua of the CCK fame has not said anything since they became CAK :-)
Or perhaps since since we have sued them left, right and center, they are unable to comment on matters before the Bench (it can always be used against you).
walu. -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Subject: [kictanet] LTE in Rwanda, TZ, UG To: jwalu@yahoo.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2014, 10:59 AM
Looks like Rwanda is about to launch LTE: http://www.newtimes.co.rw/news/index.php?i=15825&a=79508
Any updates on Kenya? Aside from Burundi, Kenya looks set to be the last to launch the service in the East African Community. The last I heard, the Supreme Court blocked the disabling of the analog signals which need to be shut down in order to free up spectrum. In addition, KDF has alot of spectrum that they've been holding onto as well.
I figured somebody on this list would have the latest update. -Adam -- Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud More Musings: varud.comAbout Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
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Yes, and the latency is very important for application performance. Don't forget, it's not just smartphones on 4g, it's desktops, Internet of Things, etc. With that said, most applications used by Kenyans (even The Nation) are hosted in Europe. The latency of 3G is lower than the latency between Nairobi and London over cable. So more benefits can come from simply moving applications local than from deploying 4g - but they both need to happen. -Adam On Monday, August 25, 2014, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dennis,
I am very tempted to Google this, but will go old-skool on this one.
I know you could have a low speed - low latency network, but can you have a high speed - high latency network?
Waithaka Ngigi
Alliance Technologies Nairobi, Kenya
www.A1.io On 25 Aug 2014 18:41, "Dennis Kioko via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke');>> wrote:
But 4G is not only about higher speeds, but lower latencies too. Therefore applications that require low latency might find 4G to be of benefit on that front. On 25 Aug 2014 16:56, "Odhiambo Washington via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke');>> wrote:
It would be most welcome if having 4G will lower data prices. Then again, I doubt the number of users who require 4G is that significant.
On 25 August 2014 16:52, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mwangy@gmail.com');>> wrote:
I am an advocate for tech all the way but would first ask why all the fuss with 4G? Have we maxed out the 3G bandwidth and have we put in place enough fiber to the building already in existence?
This rush for the newest and the greatest tech is not after solving problems but earning the likes of Huawei money with little value.
I understand that Safaricom faced similar questions when launching 3G and are currently the only one testing 4G and so I may eat my words soon enough. I still think we should be laying more fiber to homes and offices rather than fight for spectrum.
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke');>> wrote:
Hi Adam,
Kenyans are known for their 11th-hour (in)decisions/actions. You better start thinking & behaving like one:) CAK is doing the right thing, but bedevilled by political forces in the bg.
On 25 August 2014 15:36, Adam Nelson via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke');>> wrote:
It seems that CAK is trying to do the right thing but I can't tell if they have weak lawyers or if the court is just confused or if the rights-holders of the analog spectrum really are being violated.
But while we wait, other countries in the region are moving forward. The big problem is that LTE deployment (and digital-only terrestrial TV) takes time and the longer we wait for the start, the further away we are from getting meaningful value out of the transition moving ahead.
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Adam You know that I'm an avid advocate of hosting all our content locally (and it's not just because of security issues) :) because of the obvious advantages of speeds, cost reductions in connectivity for end users etc. I'm however not convinced that the industry is there yet. The thing about the NET is that we can't claim to say because its an African product we can accept mediocre standards. Sorry to be harsh about this but the day I can get the same QoS as I'm used to with Rackspace, Google Cloud, Amazon Web Services etc is the day I will move all my hosting business locally. I give you my word on it and I'm willing to be challenged on this. Lets put our money where our mouths are and develop World Class Services. Ali Hussein +254 770 906375 / 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad
On Aug 26, 2014, at 8:21 AM, Adam Nelson via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Yes, and the latency is very important for application performance. Don't forget, it's not just smartphones on 4g, it's desktops, Internet of Things, etc.
With that said, most applications used by Kenyans (even The Nation) are hosted in Europe. The latency of 3G is lower than the latency between Nairobi and London over cable. So more benefits can come from simply moving applications local than from deploying 4g - but they both need to happen.
-Adam
On Monday, August 25, 2014, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Dennis,
I am very tempted to Google this, but will go old-skool on this one.
I know you could have a low speed - low latency network, but can you have a high speed - high latency network?
Waithaka Ngigi
Alliance Technologies Nairobi, Kenya
www.A1.io
On 25 Aug 2014 18:41, "Dennis Kioko via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: But 4G is not only about higher speeds, but lower latencies too. Therefore applications that require low latency might find 4G to be of benefit on that front.
On 25 Aug 2014 16:56, "Odhiambo Washington via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: It would be most welcome if having 4G will lower data prices. Then again, I doubt the number of users who require 4G is that significant.
On 25 August 2014 16:52, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote: I am an advocate for tech all the way but would first ask why all the fuss with 4G? Have we maxed out the 3G bandwidth and have we put in place enough fiber to the building already in existence?
This rush for the newest and the greatest tech is not after solving problems but earning the likes of Huawei money with little value.
I understand that Safaricom faced similar questions when launching 3G and are currently the only one testing 4G and so I may eat my words soon enough. I still think we should be laying more fiber to homes and offices rather than fight for spectrum.
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Hi Adam,
Kenyans are known for their 11th-hour (in)decisions/actions. You better start thinking & behaving like one:) CAK is doing the right thing, but bedevilled by political forces in the bg.
> On 25 August 2014 15:36, Adam Nelson via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > It seems that CAK is trying to do the right thing but I can't tell if they have weak lawyers or if the court is just confused or if the rights-holders of the analog spectrum really are being violated. > > But while we wait, other countries in the region are moving forward. The big problem is that LTE deployment (and digital-only terrestrial TV) takes time and the longer we wait for the start, the further away we are from getting meaningful value out of the transition moving ahead. > > -- > Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io > Musings: twitter.com/varud > More Musings: varud.com > About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson > > >> On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: >> On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >> I figured somebody on this list would have the latest update. >> ~~~~ >> True that Adam. >> >> Only problem is that the Gava /Regulator folks have gone awfully quiet in recent times..even our ever-ready Wambua of the CCK fame has not said anything since they became CAK :-) >> >> Or perhaps since since we have sued them left, right and center, they are unable to comment on matters before the Bench (it can always be used against you). >> >> walu. >> -------------------------------------------- >> On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >> >> Subject: [kictanet] LTE in Rwanda, TZ, UG >> To: jwalu@yahoo.com >> Date: Monday, August 25, 2014, 10:59 AM >> >> Looks like Rwanda is >> about to launch LTE: >> http://www.newtimes.co.rw/news/index.php?i=15825&a=79508 >> >> Any updates on Kenya? Aside from Burundi, Kenya >> looks set to be the last to launch the service in the East >> African Community. >> The last I heard, the Supreme Court blocked the >> disabling of the analog signals which need to be shut down >> in order to free up spectrum. In addition, KDF has alot of >> spectrum that they've been holding onto as well. >> >> I figured somebody on this list would have the >> latest update. >> -Adam >> -- >> Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io >> Musings: twitter.com/varud >> More >> Musings: varud.comAbout Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson >> >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke >> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a >> multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions >> interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The >> network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth >> and development. >> >> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable >> behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect >> people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame >> or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do >> not market your wares or qualifications. > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/odhiambo%40gmail.com > > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
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@ali I'm glad you called us out on it - it's true that there is no cloud provider anywhere in Africa with a global calibre QoS - Kili included. It's a big problem for Africa as it puts all product-focused companies and government agencies at a distinct disadvantage to the rest of the world where they have this technology available locally. I'm a big fan of AWS and used to spend $20k+/month on their product. Nonetheless, using Kili (or another local cloud) as a complementary solution to something like Amazon or Rackspace should be pretty straightforward for most tech groups in Kenya. Then you get the best of both worlds - high performance for your end users (Kili for your static assets and last mile application code) and support that you can only get from a billion dollar company (AWS for your core data). -Adam -- Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> More Musings: varud.com About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Adam
You know that I'm an avid advocate of hosting all our content locally (and it's not just because of security issues) :) because of the obvious advantages of speeds, cost reductions in connectivity for end users etc.
I'm however not convinced that the industry is there yet. The thing about the NET is that we can't claim to say because its an African product we can accept mediocre standards. Sorry to be harsh about this but the day I can get the same QoS as I'm used to with Rackspace, Google Cloud, Amazon Web Services etc is the day I will move all my hosting business locally. I give you my word on it and I'm willing to be challenged on this.
Lets put our money where our mouths are and develop World Class Services.
*Ali Hussein*
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On Aug 26, 2014, at 8:21 AM, Adam Nelson via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Yes, and the latency is very important for application performance. Don't forget, it's not just smartphones on 4g, it's desktops, Internet of Things, etc.
With that said, most applications used by Kenyans (even The Nation) are hosted in Europe. The latency of 3G is lower than the latency between Nairobi and London over cable. So more benefits can come from simply moving applications local than from deploying 4g - but they both need to happen.
-Adam
On Monday, August 25, 2014, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dennis,
I am very tempted to Google this, but will go old-skool on this one.
I know you could have a low speed - low latency network, but can you have a high speed - high latency network?
Waithaka Ngigi
Alliance Technologies Nairobi, Kenya
www.A1.io On 25 Aug 2014 18:41, "Dennis Kioko via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
But 4G is not only about higher speeds, but lower latencies too. Therefore applications that require low latency might find 4G to be of benefit on that front. On 25 Aug 2014 16:56, "Odhiambo Washington via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
It would be most welcome if having 4G will lower data prices. Then again, I doubt the number of users who require 4G is that significant.
On 25 August 2014 16:52, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I am an advocate for tech all the way but would first ask why all the fuss with 4G? Have we maxed out the 3G bandwidth and have we put in place enough fiber to the building already in existence?
This rush for the newest and the greatest tech is not after solving problems but earning the likes of Huawei money with little value.
I understand that Safaricom faced similar questions when launching 3G and are currently the only one testing 4G and so I may eat my words soon enough. I still think we should be laying more fiber to homes and offices rather than fight for spectrum.
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Adam,
Kenyans are known for their 11th-hour (in)decisions/actions. You better start thinking & behaving like one:) CAK is doing the right thing, but bedevilled by political forces in the bg.
On 25 August 2014 15:36, Adam Nelson via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> It seems that CAK is trying to do the right thing but I can't tell > if they have weak lawyers or if the court is just confused or if the > rights-holders of the analog spectrum really are being violated. > > But while we wait, other countries in the region are moving forward. > The big problem is that LTE deployment (and digital-only terrestrial TV) > takes time and the longer we wait for the start, the further away we are > from getting meaningful value out of the transition moving ahead. > > -- > Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io > Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> > More Musings: varud.com > About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson > > > On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> > wrote: > >> On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet < >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >> I figured somebody on this list would have the latest update. >> ~~~~ >> True that Adam. >> >> Only problem is that the Gava /Regulator folks have gone awfully >> quiet in recent times..even our ever-ready Wambua of the CCK fame has not >> said anything since they became CAK :-) >> >> Or perhaps since since we have sued them left, right and center, >> they are unable to comment on matters before the Bench (it can always be >> used against you). >> >> walu. >> -------------------------------------------- >> On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet < >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >> >> Subject: [kictanet] LTE in Rwanda, TZ, UG >> To: jwalu@yahoo.com >> Date: Monday, August 25, 2014, 10:59 AM >> >> Looks like Rwanda is >> about to launch LTE: >> http://www.newtimes.co.rw/news/index.php?i=15825&a=79508 >> >> Any updates on Kenya? Aside from Burundi, Kenya >> looks set to be the last to launch the service in the East >> African Community. >> The last I heard, the Supreme Court blocked the >> disabling of the analog signals which need to be shut down >> in order to free up spectrum. In addition, KDF has alot of >> spectrum that they've been holding onto as well. >> >> I figured somebody on this list would have the >> latest update. >> -Adam >> -- >> Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io >> Musings: twitter.com/varud >> More >> Musings: varud.comAbout Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson >> >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke >> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a >> multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions >> interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The >> network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth >> and development. >> >> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable >> behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect >> people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame >> or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do >> not market your wares or qualifications. >> > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/odhiambo%40gmail.com > > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder > platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy > and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable > behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and > bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect > privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >
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Adam I know you are doing your best..:) You get my point. For me Technology is not the issue - ease of use, Customer Service, Idiot Proof functionality (Yes!) is what will move our services to the global arena - Mpesa Style! Ali Hussein +254 770 906375 / 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad
On Aug 26, 2014, at 10:02 AM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
@ali
I'm glad you called us out on it - it's true that there is no cloud provider anywhere in Africa with a global calibre QoS - Kili included. It's a big problem for Africa as it puts all product-focused companies and government agencies at a distinct disadvantage to the rest of the world where they have this technology available locally.
I'm a big fan of AWS and used to spend $20k+/month on their product. Nonetheless, using Kili (or another local cloud) as a complementary solution to something like Amazon or Rackspace should be pretty straightforward for most tech groups in Kenya. Then you get the best of both worlds - high performance for your end users (Kili for your static assets and last mile application code) and support that you can only get from a billion dollar company (AWS for your core data).
-Adam
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On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote: Adam
You know that I'm an avid advocate of hosting all our content locally (and it's not just because of security issues) :) because of the obvious advantages of speeds, cost reductions in connectivity for end users etc.
I'm however not convinced that the industry is there yet. The thing about the NET is that we can't claim to say because its an African product we can accept mediocre standards. Sorry to be harsh about this but the day I can get the same QoS as I'm used to with Rackspace, Google Cloud, Amazon Web Services etc is the day I will move all my hosting business locally. I give you my word on it and I'm willing to be challenged on this.
Lets put our money where our mouths are and develop World Class Services.
Ali Hussein
+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 26, 2014, at 8:21 AM, Adam Nelson via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Yes, and the latency is very important for application performance. Don't forget, it's not just smartphones on 4g, it's desktops, Internet of Things, etc.
With that said, most applications used by Kenyans (even The Nation) are hosted in Europe. The latency of 3G is lower than the latency between Nairobi and London over cable. So more benefits can come from simply moving applications local than from deploying 4g - but they both need to happen.
-Adam
On Monday, August 25, 2014, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Dennis,
I am very tempted to Google this, but will go old-skool on this one.
I know you could have a low speed - low latency network, but can you have a high speed - high latency network?
Waithaka Ngigi
Alliance Technologies Nairobi, Kenya
www.A1.io
On 25 Aug 2014 18:41, "Dennis Kioko via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: But 4G is not only about higher speeds, but lower latencies too. Therefore applications that require low latency might find 4G to be of benefit on that front.
On 25 Aug 2014 16:56, "Odhiambo Washington via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: It would be most welcome if having 4G will lower data prices. Then again, I doubt the number of users who require 4G is that significant.
> On 25 August 2014 16:52, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote: > I am an advocate for tech all the way but would first ask why all the fuss with 4G? Have we maxed out the 3G bandwidth and have we put in place enough fiber to the building already in existence? > > This rush for the newest and the greatest tech is not after solving problems but earning the likes of Huawei money with little value. > > I understand that Safaricom faced similar questions when launching 3G and are currently the only one testing 4G and so I may eat my words soon enough. I still think we should be laying more fiber to homes and offices rather than fight for spectrum. > > >> On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >> Hi Adam, >> >> Kenyans are known for their 11th-hour (in)decisions/actions. You better start thinking & behaving like one:) >> CAK is doing the right thing, but bedevilled by political forces in the bg. >> >> >>> On 25 August 2014 15:36, Adam Nelson via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>> It seems that CAK is trying to do the right thing but I can't tell if they have weak lawyers or if the court is just confused or if the rights-holders of the analog spectrum really are being violated. >>> >>> But while we wait, other countries in the region are moving forward. The big problem is that LTE deployment (and digital-only terrestrial TV) takes time and the longer we wait for the start, the further away we are from getting meaningful value out of the transition moving ahead. >>> >>> -- >>> Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io >>> Musings: twitter.com/varud >>> More Musings: varud.com >>> About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson >>> >>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>> I figured somebody on this list would have the latest update. >>>> ~~~~ >>>> True that Adam. >>>> >>>> Only problem is that the Gava /Regulator folks have gone awfully quiet in recent times..even our ever-ready Wambua of the CCK fame has not said anything since they became CAK :-) >>>> >>>> Or perhaps since since we have sued them left, right and center, they are unable to comment on matters before the Bench (it can always be used against you). >>>> >>>> walu. >>>> -------------------------------------------- >>>> On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>> >>>> Subject: [kictanet] LTE in Rwanda, TZ, UG >>>> To: jwalu@yahoo.com >>>> Date: Monday, August 25, 2014, 10:59 AM >>>> >>>> Looks like Rwanda is >>>> about to launch LTE: >>>> http://www.newtimes.co.rw/news/index.php?i=15825&a=79508 >>>> >>>> Any updates on Kenya? Aside from Burundi, Kenya >>>> looks set to be the last to launch the service in the East >>>> African Community. >>>> The last I heard, the Supreme Court blocked the >>>> disabling of the analog signals which need to be shut down >>>> in order to free up spectrum. In addition, KDF has alot of >>>> spectrum that they've been holding onto as well. >>>> >>>> I figured somebody on this list would have the >>>> latest update. >>>> -Adam >>>> -- >>>> Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io >>>> Musings: twitter.com/varud >>>> More >>>> Musings: varud.comAbout Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> kictanet mailing list >>>> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com >>>> >>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a >>>> multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions >>>> interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. 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The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >>> >>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >> Nairobi,KE >> +254733744121/+254722743223 >> "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke >> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/mwangy%40gmail.com >> >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. 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Ali, Totally know where you're coming from. But that's the whole point of infrastructure as a service. For instance: Kili has a status page: http://status.kili.io/ Kili allows users to pay via credit/debit card or Mpesa Kili has 24/7 support and customer service is much more speedy than with AWS Kili allows users to spin up instances within 5 minutes of signing up (no need to talk to a human) Kili uses standard APIs (the same as Rackspace) Kili has better in-region performance (i.e. no throttling by Zuku/JTL so your customers get full speed access to the app) Kili has strong enterprise capabilities (i.e. for disaster recovery or branch network applications in-region) Kili has the same instance startup method as AWS so no more difficult to use than them The real deficiency we have is that we are only in one data center and therefore users can't put all of their data on Kili without replicating data offsite like they could with Amazon's S3 or Glacier. However, I will bet that nobody on this list is using Amazon's S3/Glacier along with a multiple Availability Zone architecture to give them very high data durability to the point where they have no data outside of AWS. Doing so typically requires a company doing at least $10MM in revenue through the system to bother with the complexity of that architecture. -Adam -- Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> More Musings: varud.com About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Adam
I know you are doing your best..:) You get my point. For me Technology is not the issue - ease of use, Customer Service, Idiot Proof functionality (Yes!) is what will move our services to the global arena - Mpesa Style!
*Ali Hussein*
+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 26, 2014, at 10:02 AM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
@ali
I'm glad you called us out on it - it's true that there is no cloud provider anywhere in Africa with a global calibre QoS - Kili included. It's a big problem for Africa as it puts all product-focused companies and government agencies at a distinct disadvantage to the rest of the world where they have this technology available locally.
I'm a big fan of AWS and used to spend $20k+/month on their product. Nonetheless, using Kili (or another local cloud) as a complementary solution to something like Amazon or Rackspace should be pretty straightforward for most tech groups in Kenya. Then you get the best of both worlds - high performance for your end users (Kili for your static assets and last mile application code) and support that you can only get from a billion dollar company (AWS for your core data).
-Adam
-- Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> More Musings: varud.com About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Adam
You know that I'm an avid advocate of hosting all our content locally (and it's not just because of security issues) :) because of the obvious advantages of speeds, cost reductions in connectivity for end users etc.
I'm however not convinced that the industry is there yet. The thing about the NET is that we can't claim to say because its an African product we can accept mediocre standards. Sorry to be harsh about this but the day I can get the same QoS as I'm used to with Rackspace, Google Cloud, Amazon Web Services etc is the day I will move all my hosting business locally. I give you my word on it and I'm willing to be challenged on this.
Lets put our money where our mouths are and develop World Class Services.
*Ali Hussein*
+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
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On Aug 26, 2014, at 8:21 AM, Adam Nelson via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Yes, and the latency is very important for application performance. Don't forget, it's not just smartphones on 4g, it's desktops, Internet of Things, etc.
With that said, most applications used by Kenyans (even The Nation) are hosted in Europe. The latency of 3G is lower than the latency between Nairobi and London over cable. So more benefits can come from simply moving applications local than from deploying 4g - but they both need to happen.
-Adam
On Monday, August 25, 2014, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dennis,
I am very tempted to Google this, but will go old-skool on this one.
I know you could have a low speed - low latency network, but can you have a high speed - high latency network?
Waithaka Ngigi
Alliance Technologies Nairobi, Kenya
www.A1.io On 25 Aug 2014 18:41, "Dennis Kioko via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
But 4G is not only about higher speeds, but lower latencies too. Therefore applications that require low latency might find 4G to be of benefit on that front. On 25 Aug 2014 16:56, "Odhiambo Washington via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
It would be most welcome if having 4G will lower data prices. Then again, I doubt the number of users who require 4G is that significant.
On 25 August 2014 16:52, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I am an advocate for tech all the way but would first ask why all the fuss with 4G? Have we maxed out the 3G bandwidth and have we put in place enough fiber to the building already in existence?
This rush for the newest and the greatest tech is not after solving problems but earning the likes of Huawei money with little value.
I understand that Safaricom faced similar questions when launching 3G and are currently the only one testing 4G and so I may eat my words soon enough. I still think we should be laying more fiber to homes and offices rather than fight for spectrum.
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> Hi Adam, > > Kenyans are known for their 11th-hour (in)decisions/actions. You > better start thinking & behaving like one:) > CAK is doing the right thing, but bedevilled by political forces in > the bg. > > > On 25 August 2014 15:36, Adam Nelson via kictanet < > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > >> It seems that CAK is trying to do the right thing but I can't tell >> if they have weak lawyers or if the court is just confused or if the >> rights-holders of the analog spectrum really are being violated. >> >> But while we wait, other countries in the region are moving >> forward. The big problem is that LTE deployment (and digital-only >> terrestrial TV) takes time and the longer we wait for the start, the >> further away we are from getting meaningful value out of the transition >> moving ahead. >> >> -- >> Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io >> Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> >> More Musings: varud.com >> About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> >> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet < >>> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>> I figured somebody on this list would have the latest update. >>> ~~~~ >>> True that Adam. >>> >>> Only problem is that the Gava /Regulator folks have gone awfully >>> quiet in recent times..even our ever-ready Wambua of the CCK fame has not >>> said anything since they became CAK :-) >>> >>> Or perhaps since since we have sued them left, right and center, >>> they are unable to comment on matters before the Bench (it can always be >>> used against you). >>> >>> walu. >>> -------------------------------------------- >>> On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet < >>> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>> >>> Subject: [kictanet] LTE in Rwanda, TZ, UG >>> To: jwalu@yahoo.com >>> Date: Monday, August 25, 2014, 10:59 AM >>> >>> Looks like Rwanda is >>> about to launch LTE: >>> http://www.newtimes.co.rw/news/index.php?i=15825&a=79508 >>> >>> Any updates on Kenya? Aside from Burundi, Kenya >>> looks set to be the last to launch the service in the East >>> African Community. >>> The last I heard, the Supreme Court blocked the >>> disabling of the analog signals which need to be shut down >>> in order to free up spectrum. In addition, KDF has alot of >>> spectrum that they've been holding onto as well. >>> >>> I figured somebody on this list would have the >>> latest update. >>> -Adam >>> -- >>> Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io >>> Musings: twitter.com/varud >>> More >>> Musings: varud.comAbout Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson >>> >>> >>> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> kictanet mailing list >>> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke >>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>> >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com >>> >>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a >>> multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions >>> interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. 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Adam Thanks for the update. Happy to try the service. Lets take it offline? Ali Hussein +254 770 906375 / 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad
On Aug 26, 2014, at 10:28 AM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
Ali,
Totally know where you're coming from. But that's the whole point of infrastructure as a service. For instance:
Kili has a status page: http://status.kili.io/ Kili allows users to pay via credit/debit card or Mpesa Kili has 24/7 support and customer service is much more speedy than with AWS Kili allows users to spin up instances within 5 minutes of signing up (no need to talk to a human) Kili uses standard APIs (the same as Rackspace) Kili has better in-region performance (i.e. no throttling by Zuku/JTL so your customers get full speed access to the app) Kili has strong enterprise capabilities (i.e. for disaster recovery or branch network applications in-region) Kili has the same instance startup method as AWS so no more difficult to use than them
The real deficiency we have is that we are only in one data center and therefore users can't put all of their data on Kili without replicating data offsite like they could with Amazon's S3 or Glacier. However, I will bet that nobody on this list is using Amazon's S3/Glacier along with a multiple Availability Zone architecture to give them very high data durability to the point where they have no data outside of AWS. Doing so typically requires a company doing at least $10MM in revenue through the system to bother with the complexity of that architecture.
-Adam
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On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote: Adam
I know you are doing your best..:) You get my point. For me Technology is not the issue - ease of use, Customer Service, Idiot Proof functionality (Yes!) is what will move our services to the global arena - Mpesa Style!
Ali Hussein
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On Aug 26, 2014, at 10:02 AM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
@ali
I'm glad you called us out on it - it's true that there is no cloud provider anywhere in Africa with a global calibre QoS - Kili included. It's a big problem for Africa as it puts all product-focused companies and government agencies at a distinct disadvantage to the rest of the world where they have this technology available locally.
I'm a big fan of AWS and used to spend $20k+/month on their product. Nonetheless, using Kili (or another local cloud) as a complementary solution to something like Amazon or Rackspace should be pretty straightforward for most tech groups in Kenya. Then you get the best of both worlds - high performance for your end users (Kili for your static assets and last mile application code) and support that you can only get from a billion dollar company (AWS for your core data).
-Adam
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On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote: Adam
You know that I'm an avid advocate of hosting all our content locally (and it's not just because of security issues) :) because of the obvious advantages of speeds, cost reductions in connectivity for end users etc.
I'm however not convinced that the industry is there yet. The thing about the NET is that we can't claim to say because its an African product we can accept mediocre standards. Sorry to be harsh about this but the day I can get the same QoS as I'm used to with Rackspace, Google Cloud, Amazon Web Services etc is the day I will move all my hosting business locally. I give you my word on it and I'm willing to be challenged on this.
Lets put our money where our mouths are and develop World Class Services.
Ali Hussein
+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
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On Aug 26, 2014, at 8:21 AM, Adam Nelson via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Yes, and the latency is very important for application performance. Don't forget, it's not just smartphones on 4g, it's desktops, Internet of Things, etc.
With that said, most applications used by Kenyans (even The Nation) are hosted in Europe. The latency of 3G is lower than the latency between Nairobi and London over cable. So more benefits can come from simply moving applications local than from deploying 4g - but they both need to happen.
-Adam
On Monday, August 25, 2014, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Dennis,
I am very tempted to Google this, but will go old-skool on this one.
I know you could have a low speed - low latency network, but can you have a high speed - high latency network?
Waithaka Ngigi
Alliance Technologies Nairobi, Kenya
www.A1.io
> On 25 Aug 2014 18:41, "Dennis Kioko via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > But 4G is not only about higher speeds, but lower latencies too. Therefore applications that require low latency might find 4G to be of benefit on that front. > >> On 25 Aug 2014 16:56, "Odhiambo Washington via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >> It would be most welcome if having 4G will lower data prices. Then again, I doubt the number of users who require 4G is that significant. >> >> >>> On 25 August 2014 16:52, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote: >>> I am an advocate for tech all the way but would first ask why all the fuss with 4G? Have we maxed out the 3G bandwidth and have we put in place enough fiber to the building already in existence? >>> >>> This rush for the newest and the greatest tech is not after solving problems but earning the likes of Huawei money with little value. >>> >>> I understand that Safaricom faced similar questions when launching 3G and are currently the only one testing 4G and so I may eat my words soon enough. I still think we should be laying more fiber to homes and offices rather than fight for spectrum. >>> >>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>> Hi Adam, >>>> >>>> Kenyans are known for their 11th-hour (in)decisions/actions. You better start thinking & behaving like one:) >>>> CAK is doing the right thing, but bedevilled by political forces in the bg. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 25 August 2014 15:36, Adam Nelson via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>> It seems that CAK is trying to do the right thing but I can't tell if they have weak lawyers or if the court is just confused or if the rights-holders of the analog spectrum really are being violated. >>>>> >>>>> But while we wait, other countries in the region are moving forward. The big problem is that LTE deployment (and digital-only terrestrial TV) takes time and the longer we wait for the start, the further away we are from getting meaningful value out of the transition moving ahead. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io >>>>> Musings: twitter.com/varud >>>>> More Musings: varud.com >>>>> About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>> On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>>> I figured somebody on this list would have the latest update. >>>>>> ~~~~ >>>>>> True that Adam. >>>>>> >>>>>> Only problem is that the Gava /Regulator folks have gone awfully quiet in recent times..even our ever-ready Wambua of the CCK fame has not said anything since they became CAK :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Or perhaps since since we have sued them left, right and center, they are unable to comment on matters before the Bench (it can always be used against you). >>>>>> >>>>>> walu. >>>>>> -------------------------------------------- >>>>>> On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Subject: [kictanet] LTE in Rwanda, TZ, UG >>>>>> To: jwalu@yahoo.com >>>>>> Date: Monday, August 25, 2014, 10:59 AM >>>>>> >>>>>> Looks like Rwanda is >>>>>> about to launch LTE: >>>>>> http://www.newtimes.co.rw/news/index.php?i=15825&a=79508 >>>>>> >>>>>> Any updates on Kenya? Aside from Burundi, Kenya >>>>>> looks set to be the last to launch the service in the East >>>>>> African Community. >>>>>> The last I heard, the Supreme Court blocked the >>>>>> disabling of the analog signals which need to be shut down >>>>>> in order to free up spectrum. In addition, KDF has alot of >>>>>> spectrum that they've been holding onto as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> I figured somebody on this list would have the >>>>>> latest update. >>>>>> -Adam >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io >>>>>> Musings: twitter.com/varud >>>>>> More >>>>>> Musings: varud.comAbout Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> kictanet mailing list >>>>>> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>>>> >>>>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com >>>>>> >>>>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a >>>>>> multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions >>>>>> interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The >>>>>> network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >>>>>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth >>>>>> and development. >>>>>> >>>>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable >>>>>> behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect >>>>>> people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame >>>>>> or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do >>>>>> not market your wares or qualifications. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> kictanet mailing list >>>>> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>>> >>>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/odhiambo%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >>>>> >>>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Best regards, >>>> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >>>> Nairobi,KE >>>> +254733744121/+254722743223 >>>> "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> kictanet mailing list >>>> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/mwangy%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >>>> >>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Regards, >>> >>> Mark Mwangi >>> >>> markmwangi.me.ke >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >> Nairobi,KE >> +254733744121/+254722743223 >> "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke >> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/dmbuvi%40gmail.com >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. 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Adam, Not to forget it is important to create "local" infrastructure + skills/employment. Local IT firms which (sooner or later) end up being listed on the NSE will avoid consulting or appointing (to their boards) Business and IT Executives without a track record of building local talent/firms :) http://www.computerweekly.com/news/2240226288/Cabinet-Office-COO-Stephen-Kel... Regards Murigi / Stanley Muraya *"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32* On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Adam Nelson via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Yes, and the latency is very important for application performance. Don't forget, it's not just smartphones on 4g, it's desktops, Internet of Things, etc.
With that said, most applications used by Kenyans (even The Nation) are hosted in Europe. The latency of 3G is lower than the latency between Nairobi and London over cable. So more benefits can come from simply moving applications local than from deploying 4g - but they both need to happen.
-Adam
On Monday, August 25, 2014, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dennis,
I am very tempted to Google this, but will go old-skool on this one.
I know you could have a low speed - low latency network, but can you have a high speed - high latency network?
Waithaka Ngigi
Alliance Technologies Nairobi, Kenya
www.A1.io On 25 Aug 2014 18:41, "Dennis Kioko via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
But 4G is not only about higher speeds, but lower latencies too. Therefore applications that require low latency might find 4G to be of benefit on that front. On 25 Aug 2014 16:56, "Odhiambo Washington via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
It would be most welcome if having 4G will lower data prices. Then again, I doubt the number of users who require 4G is that significant.
On 25 August 2014 16:52, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I am an advocate for tech all the way but would first ask why all the fuss with 4G? Have we maxed out the 3G bandwidth and have we put in place enough fiber to the building already in existence?
This rush for the newest and the greatest tech is not after solving problems but earning the likes of Huawei money with little value.
I understand that Safaricom faced similar questions when launching 3G and are currently the only one testing 4G and so I may eat my words soon enough. I still think we should be laying more fiber to homes and offices rather than fight for spectrum.
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Adam,
Kenyans are known for their 11th-hour (in)decisions/actions. You better start thinking & behaving like one:) CAK is doing the right thing, but bedevilled by political forces in the bg.
On 25 August 2014 15:36, Adam Nelson via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> It seems that CAK is trying to do the right thing but I can't tell > if they have weak lawyers or if the court is just confused or if the > rights-holders of the analog spectrum really are being violated. > > But while we wait, other countries in the region are moving forward. > The big problem is that LTE deployment (and digital-only terrestrial TV) > takes time and the longer we wait for the start, the further away we are > from getting meaningful value out of the transition moving ahead. > > -- > Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io > Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> > More Musings: varud.com > About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson > > > On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> > wrote: > >> On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet < >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >> I figured somebody on this list would have the latest update. >> ~~~~ >> True that Adam. >> >> Only problem is that the Gava /Regulator folks have gone awfully >> quiet in recent times..even our ever-ready Wambua of the CCK fame has not >> said anything since they became CAK :-) >> >> Or perhaps since since we have sued them left, right and center, >> they are unable to comment on matters before the Bench (it can always be >> used against you). >> >> walu. >> -------------------------------------------- >> On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet < >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >> >> Subject: [kictanet] LTE in Rwanda, TZ, UG >> To: jwalu@yahoo.com >> Date: Monday, August 25, 2014, 10:59 AM >> >> Looks like Rwanda is >> about to launch LTE: >> http://www.newtimes.co.rw/news/index.php?i=15825&a=79508 >> >> Any updates on Kenya? Aside from Burundi, Kenya >> looks set to be the last to launch the service in the East >> African Community. >> The last I heard, the Supreme Court blocked the >> disabling of the analog signals which need to be shut down >> in order to free up spectrum. In addition, KDF has alot of >> spectrum that they've been holding onto as well. >> >> I figured somebody on this list would have the >> latest update. >> -Adam >> -- >> Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io >> Musings: twitter.com/varud >> More >> Musings: varud.comAbout Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson >> >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke >> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a >> multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions >> interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The >> network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth >> and development. >> >> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable >> behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect >> people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame >> or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do >> not market your wares or qualifications. >> > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/odhiambo%40gmail.com > > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder > platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy > and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable > behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and > bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect > privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >
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On Aug 26, 2014, at 11:24 AM, "S.M. Muraya via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Adam,
Not to forget it is important to create "local" infrastructure + skills/employment.
Local IT firms which (sooner or later) end up being listed on the NSE will avoid consulting or appointing (to their boards) Business and IT Executives without a track record of building local talent/firms :)
http://www.computerweekly.com/news/2240226288/Cabinet-Office-COO-Stephen-Kel...
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On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Adam Nelson via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Yes, and the latency is very important for application performance. Don't forget, it's not just smartphones on 4g, it's desktops, Internet of Things, etc.
With that said, most applications used by Kenyans (even The Nation) are hosted in Europe. The latency of 3G is lower than the latency between Nairobi and London over cable. So more benefits can come from simply moving applications local than from deploying 4g - but they both need to happen.
-Adam
On Monday, August 25, 2014, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Dennis,
I am very tempted to Google this, but will go old-skool on this one.
I know you could have a low speed - low latency network, but can you have a high speed - high latency network?
Waithaka Ngigi
Alliance Technologies Nairobi, Kenya
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On 25 Aug 2014 18:41, "Dennis Kioko via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: But 4G is not only about higher speeds, but lower latencies too. Therefore applications that require low latency might find 4G to be of benefit on that front.
On 25 Aug 2014 16:56, "Odhiambo Washington via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: It would be most welcome if having 4G will lower data prices. Then again, I doubt the number of users who require 4G is that significant.
On 25 August 2014 16:52, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote: I am an advocate for tech all the way but would first ask why all the fuss with 4G? Have we maxed out the 3G bandwidth and have we put in place enough fiber to the building already in existence?
This rush for the newest and the greatest tech is not after solving problems but earning the likes of Huawei money with little value.
I understand that Safaricom faced similar questions when launching 3G and are currently the only one testing 4G and so I may eat my words soon enough. I still think we should be laying more fiber to homes and offices rather than fight for spectrum.
> On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > Hi Adam, > > Kenyans are known for their 11th-hour (in)decisions/actions. You better start thinking & behaving like one:) > CAK is doing the right thing, but bedevilled by political forces in the bg. > > >> On 25 August 2014 15:36, Adam Nelson via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >> It seems that CAK is trying to do the right thing but I can't tell if they have weak lawyers or if the court is just confused or if the rights-holders of the analog spectrum really are being violated. >> >> But while we wait, other countries in the region are moving forward. The big problem is that LTE deployment (and digital-only terrestrial TV) takes time and the longer we wait for the start, the further away we are from getting meaningful value out of the transition moving ahead. >> >> -- >> Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io >> Musings: twitter.com/varud >> More Musings: varud.com >> About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson >> >> >>> On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>> I figured somebody on this list would have the latest update. >>> ~~~~ >>> True that Adam. >>> >>> Only problem is that the Gava /Regulator folks have gone awfully quiet in recent times..even our ever-ready Wambua of the CCK fame has not said anything since they became CAK :-) >>> >>> Or perhaps since since we have sued them left, right and center, they are unable to comment on matters before the Bench (it can always be used against you). >>> >>> walu. >>> -------------------------------------------- >>> On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>> >>> Subject: [kictanet] LTE in Rwanda, TZ, UG >>> To: jwalu@yahoo.com >>> Date: Monday, August 25, 2014, 10:59 AM >>> >>> Looks like Rwanda is >>> about to launch LTE: >>> http://www.newtimes.co.rw/news/index.php?i=15825&a=79508 >>> >>> Any updates on Kenya? Aside from Burundi, Kenya >>> looks set to be the last to launch the service in the East >>> African Community. >>> The last I heard, the Supreme Court blocked the >>> disabling of the analog signals which need to be shut down >>> in order to free up spectrum. In addition, KDF has alot of >>> spectrum that they've been holding onto as well. >>> >>> I figured somebody on this list would have the >>> latest update. >>> -Adam >>> -- >>> Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io >>> Musings: twitter.com/varud >>> More >>> Musings: varud.comAbout Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson >>> >>> >>> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> kictanet mailing list >>> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke >>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>> >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com >>> >>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a >>> multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions >>> interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. 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On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 11:24 AM, S.M. Muraya via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
http://www.computerweekly.com/news/2240226288/Cabinet-Office-COO-Stephen-Kel...
Just a note that the local argument applies all around. I agree with you Murigi. For this simple reason - for any product or service there can be a superior external alternative. We can't write off entire industries in .ke by saying that we don't have competence. It's upon us to consume said services and build the industries. Works across the board e.g. For System Integrators, one can argue lack of capital/capacity, buy from MNC's such as IBM. For software developers, same argument applies, you can outsource to India. For Web Development etc, you can go to 99 Designs. At some point, we as Kenyans have to consume the very IT services we hope to one day export. There's competence, there's capacity, there's demand for local ICT services. -- Warm Regards, Phares Kariuki *E*: pkariuki@gmail.com | *Twitter*: kaboro | *B*: http://www.angani.co | Angani Limited
Well depends on what high speeds are. Remember 1 Mbps as offered by 3G is already defined as broadband, but may not offer the latency you need. On 25 Aug 2014 19:55, "Ngigi Waithaka" <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
Dennis,
I am very tempted to Google this, but will go old-skool on this one.
I know you could have a low speed - low latency network, but can you have a high speed - high latency network?
Waithaka Ngigi
Alliance Technologies Nairobi, Kenya
www.A1.io On 25 Aug 2014 18:41, "Dennis Kioko via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
But 4G is not only about higher speeds, but lower latencies too. Therefore applications that require low latency might find 4G to be of benefit on that front. On 25 Aug 2014 16:56, "Odhiambo Washington via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
It would be most welcome if having 4G will lower data prices. Then again, I doubt the number of users who require 4G is that significant.
On 25 August 2014 16:52, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I am an advocate for tech all the way but would first ask why all the fuss with 4G? Have we maxed out the 3G bandwidth and have we put in place enough fiber to the building already in existence?
This rush for the newest and the greatest tech is not after solving problems but earning the likes of Huawei money with little value.
I understand that Safaricom faced similar questions when launching 3G and are currently the only one testing 4G and so I may eat my words soon enough. I still think we should be laying more fiber to homes and offices rather than fight for spectrum.
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Adam,
Kenyans are known for their 11th-hour (in)decisions/actions. You better start thinking & behaving like one:) CAK is doing the right thing, but bedevilled by political forces in the bg.
On 25 August 2014 15:36, Adam Nelson via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
It seems that CAK is trying to do the right thing but I can't tell if they have weak lawyers or if the court is just confused or if the rights-holders of the analog spectrum really are being violated.
But while we wait, other countries in the region are moving forward. The big problem is that LTE deployment (and digital-only terrestrial TV) takes time and the longer we wait for the start, the further away we are from getting meaningful value out of the transition moving ahead.
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On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet < > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > I figured somebody on this list would have the latest update. > ~~~~ > True that Adam. > > Only problem is that the Gava /Regulator folks have gone awfully > quiet in recent times..even our ever-ready Wambua of the CCK fame has not > said anything since they became CAK :-) > > Or perhaps since since we have sued them left, right and center, > they are unable to comment on matters before the Bench (it can always be > used against you). > > walu. > -------------------------------------------- > On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet < > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > Subject: [kictanet] LTE in Rwanda, TZ, UG > To: jwalu@yahoo.com > Date: Monday, August 25, 2014, 10:59 AM > > Looks like Rwanda is > about to launch LTE: > http://www.newtimes.co.rw/news/index.php?i=15825&a=79508 > > Any updates on Kenya? Aside from Burundi, Kenya > looks set to be the last to launch the service in the East > African Community. > The last I heard, the Supreme Court blocked the > disabling of the analog signals which need to be shut down > in order to free up spectrum. In addition, KDF has alot of > spectrum that they've been holding onto as well. > > I figured somebody on this list would have the > latest update. > -Adam > -- > Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io > Musings: twitter.com/varud > More > Musings: varud.comAbout Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a > multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions > interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The > network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth > and development. > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable > behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect > people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame > or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do > not market your wares or qualifications. >
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@Kioko, My understanding is that Latency is delay introduced by the active components (Switches, Routers, Servers, Congestion). This means that it really isn't a dictated by one function i.e the technology (2G, 3G, 4G, Fiber, Wimax, etc). Put differently, I could be connected through a 4G link and my neighbour could be on a 3G link but depending on the "terrain" or network conditions towards our destined websites, the 3G guy may be enjoying better latencies. But this is splitting hairs - for the user, the Quality of Service (QoS) has moved beyond techincal details towards what is known as the total "user-experience", that includes non-technical issues like customer service. walu. -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8/26/14, Dennis Kioko via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Subject: Re: [kictanet] LTE in Rwanda, TZ, UG To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2014, 8:32 AM Well depends on what high speeds are. Remember 1 Mbps as offered by 3G is already defined as broadband, but may not offer the latency you need. On 25 Aug 2014 19:55, "Ngigi Waithaka" <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote: Dennis, I am very tempted to Google this, but will go old-skool on this one. I know you could have a low speed - low latency network, but can you have a high speed - high latency network? Waithaka Ngigi Alliance Technologies Nairobi, Kenya www.A1.io On 25 Aug 2014 18:41, "Dennis Kioko via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: But 4G is not only about higher speeds, but lower latencies too. Therefore applications that require low latency might find 4G to be of benefit on that front. On 25 Aug 2014 16:56, "Odhiambo Washington via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: It would be most welcome if having 4G will lower data prices. Then again, I doubt the number of users who require 4G is that significant. On 25 August 2014 16:52, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote: I am an advocate for tech all the way but would first ask why all the fuss with 4G? Have we maxed out the 3G bandwidth and have we put in place enough fiber to the building already in existence? This rush for the newest and the greatest tech is not after solving problems but earning the likes of Huawei money with little value. I understand that Safaricom faced similar questions when launching 3G and are currently the only one testing 4G and so I may eat my words soon enough. I still think we should be laying more fiber to homes and offices rather than fight for spectrum. On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Hi Adam, Kenyans are known for their 11th-hour (in)decisions/actions. You better start thinking & behaving like one:) CAK is doing the right thing, but bedevilled by political forces in the bg. On 25 August 2014 15:36, Adam Nelson via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: It seems that CAK is trying to do the right thing but I can't tell if they have weak lawyers or if the court is just confused or if the rights-holders of the analog spectrum really are being violated. But while we wait, other countries in the region are moving forward. The big problem is that LTE deployment (and digital-only terrestrial TV) takes time and the longer we wait for the start, the further away we are from getting meaningful value out of the transition moving ahead. --Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varudMore Musings: varud.com About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: I figured somebody on this list would have the latest update. ~~~~ True that Adam. Only problem is that the Gava /Regulator folks have gone awfully quiet in recent times..even our ever-ready Wambua of the CCK fame has not said anything since they became CAK :-) Or perhaps since since we have sued them left, right and center, they are unable to comment on matters before the Bench (it can always be used against you). walu. -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Subject: [kictanet] LTE in Rwanda, TZ, UG To: jwalu@yahoo.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2014, 10:59 AM Looks like Rwanda is about to launch LTE: http://www.newtimes.co.rw/news/index.php?i=15825&a=79508 Any updates on Kenya? Aside from Burundi, Kenya looks set to be the last to launch the service in the East African Community. The last I heard, the Supreme Court blocked the disabling of the analog signals which need to be shut down in order to free up spectrum. 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On Aug 26, 2014, at 9:58 AM, Walubengo J via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@Kioko,
My understanding is that Latency is delay introduced by the active components (Switches, Routers, Servers, Congestion). This means that it really isn't a dictated by one function i.e the technology (2G, 3G, 4G, Fiber, Wimax, etc).
Put differently, I could be connected through a 4G link and my neighbour could be on a 3G link but depending on the "terrain" or network conditions towards our destined websites, the 3G guy may be enjoying better latencies.
But this is splitting hairs - for the user, the Quality of Service (QoS) has moved beyond techincal details towards what is known as the total "user-experience", that includes non-technical issues like customer service.
walu.
-------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8/26/14, Dennis Kioko via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Subject: Re: [kictanet] LTE in Rwanda, TZ, UG To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2014, 8:32 AM
Well depends on what high speeds are. Remember 1 Mbps as offered by 3G is already defined as broadband, but may not offer the latency you need. On 25 Aug 2014 19:55, "Ngigi Waithaka" <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
Dennis, I am very tempted to Google this, but will go old-skool on this one. I know you could have a low speed - low latency network, but can you have a high speed - high latency network? Waithaka Ngigi Alliance Technologies
Nairobi, Kenya www.A1.io On 25 Aug 2014 18:41, "Dennis Kioko via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
But 4G is not only about higher speeds, but lower latencies too. Therefore applications that require low latency might find 4G to be of benefit on that front. On 25 Aug 2014 16:56, "Odhiambo Washington via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
It would be most welcome if having 4G will lower data prices. Then again, I doubt the number of users who require 4G is that significant.
On 25 August 2014 16:52, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I am an advocate for tech all the way but would first ask why all the fuss with 4G? Have we maxed out the 3G bandwidth and have we put in place enough fiber to the building already in existence?
This rush for the newest and the greatest tech is not after solving problems but earning the likes of Huawei money with little value. I understand that Safaricom faced similar questions when launching 3G and are currently the only one testing 4G and so I may eat my words soon enough. I still think we should be laying more fiber to homes and offices rather than fight for spectrum.
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Adam, Kenyans are known for their 11th-hour (in)decisions/actions. You better start thinking & behaving like one:)
CAK is doing the right thing, but bedevilled by political forces in the bg.
On 25 August 2014 15:36, Adam Nelson via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
It seems that CAK is trying to do the right thing but I can't tell if they have weak lawyers or if the court is just confused or if the rights-holders of the analog spectrum really are being violated.
But while we wait, other countries in the region are moving forward. The big problem is that LTE deployment (and digital-only terrestrial TV) takes time and the longer we wait for the start, the further away we are from getting meaningful value out of the transition moving ahead.
--Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io
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On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I figured somebody on this list would have the latest update.
~~~~
True that Adam.
Only problem is that the Gava /Regulator folks have gone awfully quiet in recent times..even our ever-ready Wambua of the CCK fame has not said anything since they became CAK :-)
Or perhaps since since we have sued them left, right and center, they are unable to comment on matters before the Bench (it can always be used against you).
walu.
--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Subject: [kictanet] LTE in Rwanda, TZ, UG
To: jwalu@yahoo.com
Date: Monday, August 25, 2014, 10:59 AM
Looks like Rwanda is
about to launch LTE:
http://www.newtimes.co.rw/news/index.php?i=15825&a=79508
Any updates on Kenya? Aside from Burundi, Kenya
looks set to be the last to launch the service in the East
African Community.
The last I heard, the Supreme Court blocked the
disabling of the analog signals which need to be shut down
in order to free up spectrum. In addition, KDF has alot of
spectrum that they've been holding onto as well.
I figured somebody on this list would have the
latest update.
-Adam
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@walu, The technology definitely matters. Older routers used to take 2ms to forward a packet - now those numbers are much better. EDGE certainly has much higher latency than 3G (and 3G higher than 4G - although a congested 4G network could have higher latency compared to an underused 3G connection). I did some experiments on this issue for a talk at the Southern Africa Network Operator Group a few months ago - a version of that deck is here: https://speakerdeck.com/varud/hosting-mobile-apps-for-africa For a typical site focused on Kenyan users like The Nation, most of the time spent by the user is waiting for the content to come from Europe to Mombasa, not from the cell tower to the 3G device. I suspect that a group like The Nation could improve the number of impressions by a solid 20% simply by moving their content to a local provider. Having an LTE network would further boost the number of impressions for them. Since The Nation has no online subscription component and only earns money on an impression basis - this is simply money left on the table. -Adam -- Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> More Musings: varud.com About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Walubengo J via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@Kioko,
My understanding is that Latency is delay introduced by the active components (Switches, Routers, Servers, Congestion). This means that it really isn't a dictated by one function i.e the technology (2G, 3G, 4G, Fiber, Wimax, etc).
Put differently, I could be connected through a 4G link and my neighbour could be on a 3G link but depending on the "terrain" or network conditions towards our destined websites, the 3G guy may be enjoying better latencies.
But this is splitting hairs - for the user, the Quality of Service (QoS) has moved beyond techincal details towards what is known as the total "user-experience", that includes non-technical issues like customer service.
walu.
-------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8/26/14, Dennis Kioko via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Subject: Re: [kictanet] LTE in Rwanda, TZ, UG To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2014, 8:32 AM
Well depends on what high speeds are. Remember 1 Mbps as offered by 3G is already defined as broadband, but may not offer the latency you need. On 25 Aug 2014 19:55, "Ngigi Waithaka" <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
Dennis, I am very tempted to Google this, but will go old-skool on this one. I know you could have a low speed - low latency network, but can you have a high speed - high latency network? Waithaka Ngigi Alliance Technologies
Nairobi, Kenya www.A1.io On 25 Aug 2014 18:41, "Dennis Kioko via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
But 4G is not only about higher speeds, but lower latencies too. Therefore applications that require low latency might find 4G to be of benefit on that front. On 25 Aug 2014 16:56, "Odhiambo Washington via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
It would be most welcome if having 4G will lower data prices. Then again, I doubt the number of users who require 4G is that significant.
On 25 August 2014 16:52, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I am an advocate for tech all the way but would first ask why all the fuss with 4G? Have we maxed out the 3G bandwidth and have we put in place enough fiber to the building already in existence?
This rush for the newest and the greatest tech is not after solving problems but earning the likes of Huawei money with little value. I understand that Safaricom faced similar questions when launching 3G and are currently the only one testing 4G and so I may eat my words soon enough. I still think we should be laying more fiber to homes and offices rather than fight for spectrum.
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Adam, Kenyans are known for their 11th-hour (in)decisions/actions. You better start thinking & behaving like one:)
CAK is doing the right thing, but bedevilled by political forces in the bg.
On 25 August 2014 15:36, Adam Nelson via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
It seems that CAK is trying to do the right thing but I can't tell if they have weak lawyers or if the court is just confused or if the rights-holders of the analog spectrum really are being violated.
But while we wait, other countries in the region are moving forward. The big problem is that LTE deployment (and digital-only terrestrial TV) takes time and the longer we wait for the start, the further away we are from getting meaningful value out of the transition moving ahead.
--Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io
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On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I figured somebody on this list would have the latest update.
~~~~
True that Adam.
Only problem is that the Gava /Regulator folks have gone awfully quiet in recent times..even our ever-ready Wambua of the CCK fame has not said anything since they became CAK :-)
Or perhaps since since we have sued them left, right and center, they are unable to comment on matters before the Bench (it can always be used against you).
walu.
--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Subject: [kictanet] LTE in Rwanda, TZ, UG
To: jwalu@yahoo.com
Date: Monday, August 25, 2014, 10:59 AM
Looks like Rwanda is
about to launch LTE:
http://www.newtimes.co.rw/news/index.php?i=15825&a=79508
Any updates on Kenya? Aside from Burundi, Kenya
looks set to be the last to launch the service in the East
African Community.
The last I heard, the Supreme Court blocked the
disabling of the analog signals which need to be shut down
in order to free up spectrum. In addition, KDF has alot of
spectrum that they've been holding onto as well.
I figured somebody on this list would have the
latest update.
-Adam
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I do not like the idea of using spectrum which is a rather limited resource as opposed to physical media such as fiber. There has been talk of using white space technology for broadband in far flung rural areas that don't have access to the grid. This is fine as fiber without mains power is not so brilliant. I would however rather have every house supplied with electricity also have a fiber end point dropped into the house. This would be maintained by either the power company or a certified contractor. The details are not important to me but the point is that every house connected to the national grid also be connected to dark or live fiber, whether they have a use of it or not. This sounds wasteful on the onset but what does it really cost to pull a fiber cable alongside the power cables? How much more expensive is it to add a junction box (I am no telecommunication engineer this is what I assume the black thing from whence my zuku comes from is) next to the transformers? I hazard an educated guest that if you asked guys in Umoja,Woodley, Nanyuki Eldoret etc if they would want cable TV at an affordable cost and blazing fast internet to download movies or whatever the answer would be a yes. They right now are forced to look for a mobile Broadband modem that is not built for such heavy bandwidth hungry stuff. REA are doing a great job connecting 'Mashinani' to electricity and I would think this would have been an awesome opportunity to test this out but alas. On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 8:32 AM, Dennis Kioko via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Well depends on what high speeds are. Remember 1 Mbps as offered by 3G is already defined as broadband, but may not offer the latency you need. On 25 Aug 2014 19:55, "Ngigi Waithaka" <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
Dennis,
I am very tempted to Google this, but will go old-skool on this one.
I know you could have a low speed - low latency network, but can you have a high speed - high latency network?
Waithaka Ngigi
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www.A1.io On 25 Aug 2014 18:41, "Dennis Kioko via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
But 4G is not only about higher speeds, but lower latencies too. Therefore applications that require low latency might find 4G to be of benefit on that front. On 25 Aug 2014 16:56, "Odhiambo Washington via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
It would be most welcome if having 4G will lower data prices. Then again, I doubt the number of users who require 4G is that significant.
On 25 August 2014 16:52, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I am an advocate for tech all the way but would first ask why all the fuss with 4G? Have we maxed out the 3G bandwidth and have we put in place enough fiber to the building already in existence?
This rush for the newest and the greatest tech is not after solving problems but earning the likes of Huawei money with little value.
I understand that Safaricom faced similar questions when launching 3G and are currently the only one testing 4G and so I may eat my words soon enough. I still think we should be laying more fiber to homes and offices rather than fight for spectrum.
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Adam,
Kenyans are known for their 11th-hour (in)decisions/actions. You better start thinking & behaving like one:) CAK is doing the right thing, but bedevilled by political forces in the bg.
On 25 August 2014 15:36, Adam Nelson via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> It seems that CAK is trying to do the right thing but I can't tell > if they have weak lawyers or if the court is just confused or if the > rights-holders of the analog spectrum really are being violated. > > But while we wait, other countries in the region are moving forward. > The big problem is that LTE deployment (and digital-only terrestrial TV) > takes time and the longer we wait for the start, the further away we are > from getting meaningful value out of the transition moving ahead. > > -- > Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io > Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> > More Musings: varud.com > About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson > > > On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> > wrote: > >> On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet < >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >> I figured somebody on this list would have the latest update. >> ~~~~ >> True that Adam. >> >> Only problem is that the Gava /Regulator folks have gone awfully >> quiet in recent times..even our ever-ready Wambua of the CCK fame has not >> said anything since they became CAK :-) >> >> Or perhaps since since we have sued them left, right and center, >> they are unable to comment on matters before the Bench (it can always be >> used against you). >> >> walu. >> -------------------------------------------- >> On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet < >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >> >> Subject: [kictanet] LTE in Rwanda, TZ, UG >> To: jwalu@yahoo.com >> Date: Monday, August 25, 2014, 10:59 AM >> >> Looks like Rwanda is >> about to launch LTE: >> http://www.newtimes.co.rw/news/index.php?i=15825&a=79508 >> >> Any updates on Kenya? Aside from Burundi, Kenya >> looks set to be the last to launch the service in the East >> African Community. >> The last I heard, the Supreme Court blocked the >> disabling of the analog signals which need to be shut down >> in order to free up spectrum. In addition, KDF has alot of >> spectrum that they've been holding onto as well. >> >> I figured somebody on this list would have the >> latest update. >> -Adam >> -- >> Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io >> Musings: twitter.com/varud >> More >> Musings: varud.comAbout Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson >> >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke >> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a >> multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions >> interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The >> network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth >> and development. >> >> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable >> behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect >> people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame >> or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do >> not market your wares or qualifications. >> > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/odhiambo%40gmail.com > > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder > platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy > and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable > behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and > bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect > privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >
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I am with Phares on this one. We may start as shitty but hey. Look at where cloud was 10 years back in the US. Everyone starts somewhere. And we need to start that somewhere to get to the point where we eventually desire to get. Theres always a good and humble story behind how the tech scene in Kenya came into existance. We need to build that good story with infrustructure ourselves. On 26 Aug 2014 11:57, "Mark Mwangi via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I do not like the idea of using spectrum which is a rather limited resource as opposed to physical media such as fiber.
There has been talk of using white space technology for broadband in far flung rural areas that don't have access to the grid. This is fine as fiber without mains power is not so brilliant.
I would however rather have every house supplied with electricity also have a fiber end point dropped into the house. This would be maintained by either the power company or a certified contractor. The details are not important to me but the point is that every house connected to the national grid also be connected to dark or live fiber, whether they have a use of it or not.
This sounds wasteful on the onset but what does it really cost to pull a fiber cable alongside the power cables? How much more expensive is it to add a junction box (I am no telecommunication engineer this is what I assume the black thing from whence my zuku comes from is) next to the transformers?
I hazard an educated guest that if you asked guys in Umoja,Woodley, Nanyuki Eldoret etc if they would want cable TV at an affordable cost and blazing fast internet to download movies or whatever the answer would be a yes. They right now are forced to look for a mobile Broadband modem that is not built for such heavy bandwidth hungry stuff.
REA are doing a great job connecting 'Mashinani' to electricity and I would think this would have been an awesome opportunity to test this out but alas.
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 8:32 AM, Dennis Kioko via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Well depends on what high speeds are. Remember 1 Mbps as offered by 3G is already defined as broadband, but may not offer the latency you need. On 25 Aug 2014 19:55, "Ngigi Waithaka" <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
Dennis,
I am very tempted to Google this, but will go old-skool on this one.
I know you could have a low speed - low latency network, but can you have a high speed - high latency network?
Waithaka Ngigi
Alliance Technologies Nairobi, Kenya
www.A1.io On 25 Aug 2014 18:41, "Dennis Kioko via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
But 4G is not only about higher speeds, but lower latencies too. Therefore applications that require low latency might find 4G to be of benefit on that front. On 25 Aug 2014 16:56, "Odhiambo Washington via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
It would be most welcome if having 4G will lower data prices. Then again, I doubt the number of users who require 4G is that significant.
On 25 August 2014 16:52, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I am an advocate for tech all the way but would first ask why all the fuss with 4G? Have we maxed out the 3G bandwidth and have we put in place enough fiber to the building already in existence?
This rush for the newest and the greatest tech is not after solving problems but earning the likes of Huawei money with little value.
I understand that Safaricom faced similar questions when launching 3G and are currently the only one testing 4G and so I may eat my words soon enough. I still think we should be laying more fiber to homes and offices rather than fight for spectrum.
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> Hi Adam, > > Kenyans are known for their 11th-hour (in)decisions/actions. You > better start thinking & behaving like one:) > CAK is doing the right thing, but bedevilled by political forces in > the bg. > > > On 25 August 2014 15:36, Adam Nelson via kictanet < > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > >> It seems that CAK is trying to do the right thing but I can't tell >> if they have weak lawyers or if the court is just confused or if the >> rights-holders of the analog spectrum really are being violated. >> >> But while we wait, other countries in the region are moving >> forward. The big problem is that LTE deployment (and digital-only >> terrestrial TV) takes time and the longer we wait for the start, the >> further away we are from getting meaningful value out of the transition >> moving ahead. >> >> -- >> Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io >> Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> >> More Musings: varud.com >> About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> >> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet < >>> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>> I figured somebody on this list would have the latest update. >>> ~~~~ >>> True that Adam. >>> >>> Only problem is that the Gava /Regulator folks have gone awfully >>> quiet in recent times..even our ever-ready Wambua of the CCK fame has not >>> said anything since they became CAK :-) >>> >>> Or perhaps since since we have sued them left, right and center, >>> they are unable to comment on matters before the Bench (it can always be >>> used against you). >>> >>> walu. >>> -------------------------------------------- >>> On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet < >>> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>> >>> Subject: [kictanet] LTE in Rwanda, TZ, UG >>> To: jwalu@yahoo.com >>> Date: Monday, August 25, 2014, 10:59 AM >>> >>> Looks like Rwanda is >>> about to launch LTE: >>> http://www.newtimes.co.rw/news/index.php?i=15825&a=79508 >>> >>> Any updates on Kenya? Aside from Burundi, Kenya >>> looks set to be the last to launch the service in the East >>> African Community. >>> The last I heard, the Supreme Court blocked the >>> disabling of the analog signals which need to be shut down >>> in order to free up spectrum. In addition, KDF has alot of >>> spectrum that they've been holding onto as well. >>> >>> I figured somebody on this list would have the >>> latest update. >>> -Adam >>> -- >>> Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io >>> Musings: twitter.com/varud >>> More >>> Musings: varud.comAbout Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson >>> >>> >>> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> kictanet mailing list >>> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke >>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>> >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com >>> >>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a >>> multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions >>> interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. 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Ngigi, as posted seperately. Latency is really not entirely dictated by the technology (3g, 4g, etc). But with regard to high speed vs high latency, I think the rule is that for radio (2g, 3g, 4g, etc) networks, the higher the BANDWIDTH the shorter the distance/radius. This means 4g transcievers will have a shorter raduis of transmission as compared to 3g ones. This translates to having more base-stations to cover the same geographic region = more costs per unit geographic zone. But dont just believe me, plse google this things out since you are more of an engineer than I will ever be :-) walu. -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 8/25/14, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Subject: Re: [kictanet] LTE in Rwanda, TZ, UG To: jwalu@yahoo.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2014, 7:55 PM Dennis, I am very tempted to Google this, but will go old-skool on this one. I know you could have a low speed - low latency network, but can you have a high speed - high latency network? Waithaka Ngigi Alliance Technologies Nairobi, Kenya www.A1.io On 25 Aug 2014 18:41, "Dennis Kioko via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: But 4G is not only about higher speeds, but lower latencies too. Therefore applications that require low latency might find 4G to be of benefit on that front. On 25 Aug 2014 16:56, "Odhiambo Washington via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: It would be most welcome if having 4G will lower data prices. Then again, I doubt the number of users who require 4G is that significant. On 25 August 2014 16:52, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote: I am an advocate for tech all the way but would first ask why all the fuss with 4G? Have we maxed out the 3G bandwidth and have we put in place enough fiber to the building already in existence? This rush for the newest and the greatest tech is not after solving problems but earning the likes of Huawei money with little value. I understand that Safaricom faced similar questions when launching 3G and are currently the only one testing 4G and so I may eat my words soon enough. I still think we should be laying more fiber to homes and offices rather than fight for spectrum. On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Hi Adam, Kenyans are known for their 11th-hour (in)decisions/actions. You better start thinking & behaving like one:) CAK is doing the right thing, but bedevilled by political forces in the bg. On 25 August 2014 15:36, Adam Nelson via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: It seems that CAK is trying to do the right thing but I can't tell if they have weak lawyers or if the court is just confused or if the rights-holders of the analog spectrum really are being violated. But while we wait, other countries in the region are moving forward. The big problem is that LTE deployment (and digital-only terrestrial TV) takes time and the longer we wait for the start, the further away we are from getting meaningful value out of the transition moving ahead. --Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varudMore Musings: varud.com About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: I figured somebody on this list would have the latest update. ~~~~ True that Adam. Only problem is that the Gava /Regulator folks have gone awfully quiet in recent times..even our ever-ready Wambua of the CCK fame has not said anything since they became CAK :-) Or perhaps since since we have sued them left, right and center, they are unable to comment on matters before the Bench (it can always be used against you). walu. -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Subject: [kictanet] LTE in Rwanda, TZ, UG To: jwalu@yahoo.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2014, 10:59 AM Looks like Rwanda is about to launch LTE: http://www.newtimes.co.rw/news/index.php?i=15825&a=79508 Any updates on Kenya? Aside from Burundi, Kenya looks set to be the last to launch the service in the East African Community. The last I heard, the Supreme Court blocked the disabling of the analog signals which need to be shut down in order to free up spectrum. In addition, KDF has alot of spectrum that they've been holding onto as well. I figured somebody on this list would have the latest update. -Adam -- Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud More Musings: varud.comAbout Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/odhiambo%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/mwangy%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- Regards, Mark Mwangi markmwangi.me.ke -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/dmbuvi%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ngigi%40at.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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@Mwangi, I am with you on this thinking. Infact I did a blog on it once @ http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2335364/-/11xds3... and was branded a communist amongst other things :-) But the fact is most operators paid for 3G licenses to be amortized(recovered) over 15years. By the 6th year, 4G kicks in before they have recouped their investments. Simple arithmetics implies that the 4G investments will have to inherit the balance of 3G liabilities = high costs of service. Dont get me wrong, high costs of service is good news for operators - infact they will not mind of 2% of the population(our current broadband users, CAK reports) paid their bills, while the rest 98% of the population watch by the sides and marvel at the wonders of 4G. walu. -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 8/25/14, Mark Mwangi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Subject: Re: [kictanet] LTE in Rwanda, TZ, UG To: jwalu@yahoo.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2014, 4:52 PM I am an advocate for tech all the way but would first ask why all the fuss with 4G? Have we maxed out the 3G bandwidth and have we put in place enough fiber to the building already in existence? This rush for the newest and the greatest tech is not after solving problems but earning the likes of Huawei money with little value. I understand that Safaricom faced similar questions when launching 3G and are currently the only one testing 4G and so I may eat my words soon enough. I still think we should be laying more fiber to homes and offices rather than fight for spectrum. On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Hi Adam, Kenyans are known for their 11th-hour (in)decisions/actions. You better start thinking & behaving like one:) CAK is doing the right thing, but bedevilled by political forces in the bg. On 25 August 2014 15:36, Adam Nelson via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: It seems that CAK is trying to do the right thing but I can't tell if they have weak lawyers or if the court is just confused or if the rights-holders of the analog spectrum really are being violated. But while we wait, other countries in the region are moving forward. The big problem is that LTE deployment (and digital-only terrestrial TV) takes time and the longer we wait for the start, the further away we are from getting meaningful value out of the transition moving ahead. --Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varudMore Musings: varud.com About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: I figured somebody on this list would have the latest update. ~~~~ True that Adam. Only problem is that the Gava /Regulator folks have gone awfully quiet in recent times..even our ever-ready Wambua of the CCK fame has not said anything since they became CAK :-) Or perhaps since since we have sued them left, right and center, they are unable to comment on matters before the Bench (it can always be used against you). walu. -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 8/25/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Subject: [kictanet] LTE in Rwanda, TZ, UG To: jwalu@yahoo.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2014, 10:59 AM Looks like Rwanda is about to launch LTE: http://www.newtimes.co.rw/news/index.php?i=15825&a=79508 Any updates on Kenya? Aside from Burundi, Kenya looks set to be the last to launch the service in the East African Community. The last I heard, the Supreme Court blocked the disabling of the analog signals which need to be shut down in order to free up spectrum. In addition, KDF has alot of spectrum that they've been holding onto as well. I figured somebody on this list would have the latest update. -Adam -- Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud More Musings: varud.comAbout Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/odhiambo%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler." _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/mwangy%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- Regards, Mark Mwangi markmwangi.me.ke -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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participants (10)
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Adam Nelson -
Ahmed Mohamed Maawy -
Ali Hussein -
Dennis Kioko -
Mark Mwangi -
Ngigi Waithaka -
Odhiambo Washington -
Phares Kariuki -
S.M. Muraya -
Walubengo J