Re: [kictanet] M-PESA upgrade to allow direct money transaction from the phonebook
Walu, et al.. You will be interested to know, follow up to your query sometimes back on this forum on Money Transfer services, something is in the offing - Check the link:- http://www.cio.co.ke/index.php/view-all-top-stories/500-m-pesa-upgrade-to-al low-direct-money-transaction-from-the-phonebook-.html Let's keep the debate alive on the forum in the quest for better, affordable and reliable services in the sector.. Regards, Harry
Hi, I run an mpesa agency and safaricom had indicated that this feature would be available mid last year, maybe now with stiff competition their response to market requests will be much faster. Kenyans with our peculiar habits will soon become the only cashless society in the world, and someone still calls us a 3rd world underdeveloped country, I am surely proud to be Kenyan. Now if only safaricom and the other mobile money transfer companies can realise that mpesa is not a micro payment system but a fully fledged payment system. Its time they removed the transaction limits as the fear of money laundering is mediocre. Peculiar Kenyans launder their money by breeding goats. It is also my wish that the corruption by their mpesa field staff can be brought under control, it is getting to epidemic levels and seems to be getting institutionalized. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 --- On Mon, 25/1/10, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: From: Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] M-PESA upgrade to allow direct money transaction from the phonebook To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, 25 January, 2010, 15:57 Walu, et al.. You will be interested to know, follow up to your query sometimes back on this forum on Money Transfer services, something is in the offing - Check the link:- http://www.cio.co.ke/index.php/view-all-top-stories/500-m-pesa-upgrade-to-al... Let's keep the debate alive on the forum in the quest for better, affordable and reliable services in the sector.. Regards, Harry -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.u...
Kenya is in dire need of investment in technology. That is why I am angry that the factors hindering growth are actually "policy" related to this sector, and not due to lack of innovators or investors. There are many innovators and investors willing to take the challenge of helping Kenya come out of the dark ages of narrowband and into the grace of broadband. The problem rises from the differences between the Communication Commission of Kenya (CCK) and other 3G service providers. There seems to be a great cloud of varying information which hardly gets to the man on the street. The unclear issues include the following: Stroy continues @http://www.nation.co.ke/blogs/-/634/850014/-/view/asBlogPost/-/pjyirj/-/inde... walu. Disclaimer: views expressed here belong purely to the author and are not necessary endorsed by me ;-)
It’s called regulatory capture! Eric Aligula Magolo, PhD Programmes Coordinator & Ag. Head, Infrastructure and Economic Services Division Kenya Institute for Public Policy Research and Analysis (KIPPRA) P.O. Box 56445, 00200 Nairobi, Kenya Telephone: +254-20-2719933/4 Fax: +254-20-2719951 E-mail: jairah@kippra.or.ke <mailto:jairah@kippra.or.ke> URL: www.kippra.org <http://www.kippra.org/> Proudly Kenyan “In the long history of the world, only a few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom in its hour of maximum danger. I do not shrink from this responsibility……….I welcome it.” John F. Kennedy "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke "Far better to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory, nor defeat." Theodore Roosevelt "Ex Africa semper aliquid novi" From: kictanet-bounces+jairah=kippra.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+jairah=kippra.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Walubengo J Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 11:21 AM To: Eric Aligula Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] The broadband mess in Kenya - and I’m so angry Kenya is in dire need of investment in technology. That is why I am angry that the factors hindering growth are actually "policy" related to this sector, and not due to lack of innovators or investors. There are many innovators and investors willing to take the challenge of helping Kenya come out of the dark ages of narrowband and into the grace of broadband. The problem rises from the differences between the Communication Commission of Kenya (CCK) and other 3G service providers. There seems to be a great cloud of varying information which hardly gets to the man on the street. The unclear issues include the following: Stroy continues @ http://www.nation.co.ke/blogs/-/634/850014/-/view/asBlogPost/-/pjyirj/-/inde... walu. Disclaimer: views expressed here belong purely to the author and are not necessary endorsed by me ;-)
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Kenya is in dire need of investment in technology. That is why I am angry that the factors hindering growth are actually "policy" related to this sector, and not due to lack of innovators or investors. There are many innovators and investors willing to take the challenge of helping Kenya come out of the dark ages of narrowband and into the grace of broadband.
The problem rises from the differences between the Communication Commission of Kenya (CCK) and other 3G service providers. There seems to be a great cloud of varying information which hardly gets to the man on the street. The unclear issues include the following:
Stroy continues @
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When I read this 'anger' online yesterday night, I thought Dr. Ndemo was really angered by the pace in which the telcos are doing their business, and sighed with relief to , mistakenly, think that things would be sorted out, now that the PS MOIC has spoken. But alas, it was an end-user's predicament with the regulator and the mobile phone companies. Yes there is a need to flod the sleeves and start offering what is needed, not just blame games ( a common phenomenon in the corporate world) and offer something great to the people. This 3G business is messing people around!
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This is an issue that has troubled me as I've watched the debate over 3G licences. Telkom and Essar have both indicated in public forums that they have already paid the fee. I'm not sure about Zain. So that begs the question - why all the noise about 3G licences if three out of four players can afford it? And if we are to compete in a fair and transparent manner - why shouldn't they pay the fee? Surely everyone should pay one price for the same licence? When buying base stations - do these companies ask for different prices than their competitor because they happen to be placed fourth in the market? I think not. And is anyone else reminded of what happened when fibre landed by this 3G debate?? It would be great if we could get to the bottom of the real issues in the industry. Yes there is a dominant player and yes CCK needs to work a lot harder to ensure companies provide affordable services. But boycotting Ndemo and Njoroge can't be a solution when we still have so far to go in ICT. In my view it's defeatist to say that 80% of your productivity is wasted because of two mere individuals - it flies in the face of the gains being made on a daily basis by those who work hard for their money. And what's that about keeping your enemies close? As always, this is purely my personal opinion and does not reflect that of my employer. ________________________________ From: kictanet-bounces+mkinyanjui=nation.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mkinyanjui=nation.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Walubengo J Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 11:21 AM To: Marie-Anne Kinyanjui Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] The broadband mess in Kenya - and I'm so angry Kenya is in dire need of investment in technology. That is why I am angry that the factors hindering growth are actually "policy" related to this sector, and not due to lack of innovators or investors. There are many innovators and investors willing to take the challenge of helping Kenya come out of the dark ages of narrowband and into the grace of broadband. The problem rises from the differences between the Communication Commission of Kenya (CCK) and other 3G service providers. There seems to be a great cloud of varying information which hardly gets to the man on the street. The unclear issues include the following: Stroy continues @ http://www.nation.co.ke/blogs/-/634/850014/-/view/asBlogPost/-/pjyirj/-/inde... walu. Disclaimer: views expressed here belong purely to the author and are not necessary endorsed by me ;-) DISCLAIMER: The information contained in or accompanying this e-mail is intended for the use of the stated recipient only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Any views or opinions presented herein are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Nation Media Group. �To get all breaking news alerts send the word BREAK to 6667 or visit http://mobile.nation.co.ke to read news on your mobile phone.�
Alright, For me, I would want to cut through all this jargon, and 3G debates, etcetra... All we just want to know;- bottom line for the average user, when is pricing going to be realistic for these services. We have come such a long way, to be still charged 8/= per min on cell phone calls, and Ksh 8/= per MB of downloads... Can those please concerned with policy, work out ways to cut through "policy", and derive some meaniful pricing regimes that will benefit the consumer... ICT Consumer Association, any highlights towards lobbying for this...? Can we hammer this point, until it get's home on this forum... Harry _____ From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Marie-Anne Kinyanjui Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:36 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] The broadband mess in Kenya - and I'm so angry This is an issue that has troubled me as I've watched the debate over 3G licences. Telkom and Essar have both indicated in public forums that they have already paid the fee. I'm not sure about Zain. So that begs the question - why all the noise about 3G licences if three out of four players can afford it? And if we are to compete in a fair and transparent manner - why shouldn't they pay the fee? Surely everyone should pay one price for the same licence? When buying base stations - do these companies ask for different prices than their competitor because they happen to be placed fourth in the market? I think not. And is anyone else reminded of what happened when fibre landed by this 3G debate?? It would be great if we could get to the bottom of the real issues in the industry. Yes there is a dominant player and yes CCK needs to work a lot harder to ensure companies provide affordable services. But boycotting Ndemo and Njoroge can't be a solution when we still have so far to go in ICT. In my view it's defeatist to say that 80% of your productivity is wasted because of two mere individuals - it flies in the face of the gains being made on a daily basis by those who work hard for their money. And what's that about keeping your enemies close? As always, this is purely my personal opinion and does not reflect that of my employer. _____ From: kictanet-bounces+mkinyanjui=nation.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mkinyanjui=nation.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Walubengo J Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 11:21 AM To: Marie-Anne Kinyanjui Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] The broadband mess in Kenya - and I'm so angry Kenya is in dire need of investment in technology. That is why I am angry that the factors hindering growth are actually "policy" related to this sector, and not due to lack of innovators or investors. There are many innovators and investors willing to take the challenge of helping Kenya come out of the dark ages of narrowband and into the grace of broadband. The problem rises from the differences between the Communication Commission of Kenya (CCK) and other 3G service providers. There seems to be a great cloud of varying information which hardly gets to the man on the street. The unclear issues include the following: Stroy continues @ http://www.nation.co.ke/blogs/-/634/850014/-/view/asBlogPost/-/pjyirj/-/inde x.html walu. Disclaimer: views expressed here belong purely to the author and are not necessary endorsed by me ;-) DISCLAIMER: The information contained in or accompanying this e-mail is intended for the use of the stated recipient only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Any views or opinions presented herein are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the <http://www.nation.co.ke> Nation Media Group. To get all breaking news alerts send the word BREAK to 6667 or visit http://mobile.nation.co.ke to read news on your mobile phone.
Interesting article, But a thought occurred to me - what regulation prohibits the 3 operators to buy a single license and provide the 3g/4G on a shared infrastructure built under this license?. Basically a third party organization leasing its 3G infrastructure to mobile operators or any license ISP for data services. Assuming this was possible and it should be since 02 and Vodaphone are sharing 3G infrastructure in the UK. Then it means building and providing affordable access via 3G network should not be that far out of reach. But then again i dont have all the facts so i could be missing something. Regards, Michuki. Marie-Anne Kinyanjui wrote:
This is an issue that has troubled me as I’ve watched the debate over 3G licences.
Telkom and Essar have both indicated in public forums that they have /already/ paid the fee. I’m not sure about Zain.
So that begs the question - why all the noise about 3G licences if three out of four players can afford it?
And if we are to compete in a fair and transparent manner – why shouldn’t they pay the fee? Surely everyone should pay one price for the same licence? When buying base stations – do these companies ask for different prices than their competitor because they happen to be placed fourth in the market? I think not.
And is anyone else reminded of what happened when fibre landed by this 3G debate??
It would be great if we could get to the bottom of the real issues in the industry.
Yes there is a dominant player and yes CCK needs to work a lot harder to ensure companies provide affordable services. But boycotting Ndemo and Njoroge can’t be a solution when we still have so far to go in ICT.
In my view it’s defeatist to say that 80% of your productivity is wasted because of two mere individuals – it flies in the face of the gains being made on a daily basis by those who work hard for their money. And what’s that about keeping your enemies close?
As always, this is purely my personal opinion and does not reflect that of my employer.
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*From:* kictanet-bounces+mkinyanjui=nation.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mkinyanjui=nation.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Walubengo J *Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2010 11:21 AM *To:* Marie-Anne Kinyanjui *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* [kictanet] The broadband mess in Kenya - and I’m so angry
Kenya is in dire need of investment in technology. That is why I am angry that the factors hindering growth are actually "policy" related to this sector, and not due to lack of innovators or investors. There are many innovators and investors willing to take the challenge of helping Kenya come out of the dark ages of narrowband and into the grace of broadband.
The problem rises from the differences between the Communication Commission of Kenya (CCK) and other 3G service providers. There seems to be a great cloud of varying information which hardly gets to the man on the street. The unclear issues include the following:
Stroy continues @
http://www.nation.co.ke/blogs/-/634/850014/-/view/asBlogPost/-/pjyirj/-/inde...
walu. Disclaimer: views expressed here belong purely to the author and are not necessary endorsed by me ;-)
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Talking of the broadband mess - can someone please tell me how Safaricom calculates their data MBs??!! A colleague of mine operating MPESA has been using 300MB for almost a month to manage his MPESA business. Unfortunately in less than 2 weeks, he has now loaded 300MB twice!! Is there a change in tariff that consumers are not aware of? Listers - please advise which is the better and AFFORDABLE broadband option for a common mwananchi or a small business operator. Some people are silently suffering!!! -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+emuchiri=andestbites.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+emuchiri=andestbites.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Michuki Mwangi Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:01 PM To: emuchiri@andestbites.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] The broadband mess in Kenya - and I'm so angry Interesting article, But a thought occurred to me - what regulation prohibits the 3 operators to buy a single license and provide the 3g/4G on a shared infrastructure built under this license?. Basically a third party organization leasing its 3G infrastructure to mobile operators or any license ISP for data services. Assuming this was possible and it should be since 02 and Vodaphone are sharing 3G infrastructure in the UK. Then it means building and providing affordable access via 3G network should not be that far out of reach. But then again i dont have all the facts so i could be missing something. Regards, Michuki. Marie-Anne Kinyanjui wrote:
This is an issue that has troubled me as I’ve watched the debate over 3G licences.
Telkom and Essar have both indicated in public forums that they have /already/ paid the fee. I’m not sure about Zain.
So that begs the question - why all the noise about 3G licences if three out of four players can afford it?
And if we are to compete in a fair and transparent manner – why shouldn’t they pay the fee? Surely everyone should pay one price for the same licence? When buying base stations – do these companies ask for different prices than their competitor because they happen to be placed fourth in the market? I think not.
And is anyone else reminded of what happened when fibre landed by this 3G debate??
It would be great if we could get to the bottom of the real issues in the industry.
Yes there is a dominant player and yes CCK needs to work a lot harder to ensure companies provide affordable services. But boycotting Ndemo and Njoroge can’t be a solution when we still have so far to go in ICT.
In my view it’s defeatist to say that 80% of your productivity is wasted because of two mere individuals – it flies in the face of the gains being made on a daily basis by those who work hard for their money. And what’s that about keeping your enemies close?
As always, this is purely my personal opinion and does not reflect that of my employer.
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*From:* kictanet-bounces+mkinyanjui=nation.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mkinyanjui=nation.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Walubengo J *Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2010 11:21 AM *To:* Marie-Anne Kinyanjui *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* [kictanet] The broadband mess in Kenya - and I’m so angry
Kenya is in dire need of investment in technology. That is why I am angry that the factors hindering growth are actually "policy" related to this sector, and not due to lack of innovators or investors. There are many innovators and investors willing to take the challenge of helping Kenya come out of the dark ages of narrowband and into the grace of broadband.
The problem rises from the differences between the Communication Commission of Kenya (CCK) and other 3G service providers. There seems to be a great cloud of varying information which hardly gets to the man on the street. The unclear issues include the following:
Stroy continues @
http://www.nation.co.ke/blogs/-/634/850014/-/view/asBlogPost/-/pjyirj/-/inde...
walu. Disclaimer: views expressed here belong purely to the author and are not necessary endorsed by me ;-)
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There are many solution permutations to the problem it would seem. The one I would prefer is - since the license is a barrier to entry and to the services being offered, do away with the license fee altogether ( and refund SFC their $25m) or at worst charge a small token fee for the license. Let the players come on board and then impose an excise tax on the service to make up for the "lost" revenue from the license. Waudo On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:01 +0300, "Michuki Mwangi" <michuki@swiftkenya.com> wrote:
Interesting article, But a thought occurred to me - what regulation prohibits the 3 operators to buy a single license and provide the 3g/4G on a shared infrastructure built under this license?.
Basically a third party organization leasing its 3G infrastructure to mobile operators or any license ISP for data services.
Assuming this was possible and it should be since 02 and Vodaphone are sharing 3G infrastructure in the UK. Then it means building and providing affordable access via 3G network should not be that far out of reach.
But then again i dont have all the facts so i could be missing something.
Regards,
Michuki.
Marie-Anne Kinyanjui wrote:
This is an issue that has troubled me as I’ve watched the debate over 3G licences.
Telkom and Essar have both indicated in public forums that they have /already/ paid the fee. I’m not sure about Zain.
So that begs the question - why all the noise about 3G licences if three out of four players can afford it?
And if we are to compete in a fair and transparent manner – why shouldn’t they pay the fee? Surely everyone should pay one price for the same licence? When buying base stations – do these companies ask for different prices than their competitor because they happen to be placed fourth in the market? I think not.
And is anyone else reminded of what happened when fibre landed by this 3G debate??
It would be great if we could get to the bottom of the real issues in the industry.
Yes there is a dominant player and yes CCK needs to work a lot harder to ensure companies provide affordable services. But boycotting Ndemo and Njoroge can’t be a solution when we still have so far to go in ICT.
In my view it’s defeatist to say that 80% of your productivity is wasted because of two mere individuals – it flies in the face of the gains being made on a daily basis by those who work hard for their money. And what’s that about keeping your enemies close?
As always, this is purely my personal opinion and does not reflect that of my employer.
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*From:* kictanet-bounces+mkinyanjui=nation.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mkinyanjui=nation.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Walubengo J *Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2010 11:21 AM *To:* Marie-Anne Kinyanjui *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* [kictanet] The broadband mess in Kenya - and I’m so angry
Kenya is in dire need of investment in technology. That is why I am angry that the factors hindering growth are actually "policy" related to this sector, and not due to lack of innovators or investors. There are many innovators and investors willing to take the challenge of helping Kenya come out of the dark ages of narrowband and into the grace of broadband.
The problem rises from the differences between the Communication Commission of Kenya (CCK) and other 3G service providers. There seems to be a great cloud of varying information which hardly gets to the man on the street. The unclear issues include the following:
Stroy continues @
http://www.nation.co.ke/blogs/-/634/850014/-/view/asBlogPost/-/pjyirj/-/inde...
walu. Disclaimer: views expressed here belong purely to the author and are not necessary endorsed by me ;-)
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Mich, Maybe a 3rd Party would make sense. This industry is now being characterized by some anti-competitive activities ever witnessed anywhere, that it seems we yet to see more. No one trusts anybody else these days. Fibre cables are being cut left right and centre through sabotage..? I think we need an "Anti-trust" Law implemented, at this rate. This has led to everyone opting now to dig trenches and tracts, criss-crossing town - namely to duct through their own Fibre optic ? Everyone wan to go it alone. Certainly sharing such an infrastructure would make much sense since most of the cable that is passing through will end up being underutilized maybe in the next 10 -15 years. Then we start hearing such arguments as - Cost passed on to the end user includes - Regulation fee, Cost of investment to be recovered (ROI), etc, etc - cost of maintenance - (Cables vandalized ) -etcetra. Is this confusion by regulatory, or 'big' ambition on the investing side..? And why does the end user have to foot the ultimate price of all this gerrymandering !! Harry -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Michuki Mwangi Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:01 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] The broadband mess in Kenya - and I'm so angry Interesting article, But a thought occurred to me - what regulation prohibits the 3 operators to buy a single license and provide the 3g/4G on a shared infrastructure built under this license?. Basically a third party organization leasing its 3G infrastructure to mobile operators or any license ISP for data services. Assuming this was possible and it should be since 02 and Vodaphone are sharing 3G infrastructure in the UK. Then it means building and providing affordable access via 3G network should not be that far out of reach. But then again i dont have all the facts so i could be missing something. Regards, Michuki. Marie-Anne Kinyanjui wrote:
This is an issue that has troubled me as I've watched the debate over 3G licences.
Telkom and Essar have both indicated in public forums that they have /already/ paid the fee. I'm not sure about Zain.
So that begs the question - why all the noise about 3G licences if three out of four players can afford it?
And if we are to compete in a fair and transparent manner - why shouldn't they pay the fee? Surely everyone should pay one price for the same licence? When buying base stations - do these companies ask for different prices than their competitor because they happen to be placed fourth in the market? I think not.
And is anyone else reminded of what happened when fibre landed by this 3G debate??
It would be great if we could get to the bottom of the real issues in the industry.
Yes there is a dominant player and yes CCK needs to work a lot harder to ensure companies provide affordable services. But boycotting Ndemo and Njoroge can't be a solution when we still have so far to go in ICT.
In my view it's defeatist to say that 80% of your productivity is wasted because of two mere individuals - it flies in the face of the gains being made on a daily basis by those who work hard for their money. And what's that about keeping your enemies close?
As always, this is purely my personal opinion and does not reflect that of my employer.
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*From:* kictanet-bounces+mkinyanjui=nation.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mkinyanjui=nation.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Walubengo J *Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2010 11:21 AM *To:* Marie-Anne Kinyanjui *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* [kictanet] The broadband mess in Kenya - and I'm so angry
Kenya is in dire need of investment in technology. That is why I am angry that the factors hindering growth are actually "policy" related to this sector, and not due to lack of innovators or investors. There are many innovators and investors willing to take the challenge of helping Kenya come out of the dark ages of narrowband and into the grace of broadband.
The problem rises from the differences between the Communication Commission of Kenya (CCK) and other 3G service providers. There seems to be a great cloud of varying information which hardly gets to the man on the street. The unclear issues include the following:
Stroy continues @
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Michuki, I think you have hit the nail on the head. This is not a problem caused by either the regulatory authorities (CCK) or the policy-making body (ministry). This is simply a case of commercial interests gone bad. It defeats my why the telcos and cellcos have such big egos that they can't collaborate/work together - especially on issues where they are dealing with a scarce resource. Look how long the intfrastructure sharing debate went - till CCK had to come in and flex muscle. And even now I'm not sure it is working entirely smoothly. This issue about a $25m frequency fee is being used as a smoke screen to pull the wool over consumers eyes and shift the blame for lack of innovation and quality of service from themselves to CCK/Ministry. These cellcos/telcos need to wake up, smell the coffee, wipe their noses, stop fussing and do what it takes to deliver service to Kenyans - or their place will be taken by others - mark my words! Regards, Brian On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Michuki Mwangi <michuki@swiftkenya.com>wrote:
Interesting article, But a thought occurred to me - what regulation prohibits the 3 operators to buy a single license and provide the 3g/4G on a shared infrastructure built under this license?.
Basically a third party organization leasing its 3G infrastructure to mobile operators or any license ISP for data services.
Assuming this was possible and it should be since 02 and Vodaphone are sharing 3G infrastructure in the UK. Then it means building and providing affordable access via 3G network should not be that far out of reach.
But then again i dont have all the facts so i could be missing something.
Regards,
Michuki.
Marie-Anne Kinyanjui wrote:
This is an issue that has troubled me as I’ve watched the debate over 3G licences.
Telkom and Essar have both indicated in public forums that they have /already/ paid the fee. I’m not sure about Zain.
So that begs the question - why all the noise about 3G licences if three out of four players can afford it?
And if we are to compete in a fair and transparent manner – why shouldn’t they pay the fee? Surely everyone should pay one price for the same licence? When buying base stations – do these companies ask for different prices than their competitor because they happen to be placed fourth in the market? I think not.
And is anyone else reminded of what happened when fibre landed by this 3G debate??
It would be great if we could get to the bottom of the real issues in the industry.
Yes there is a dominant player and yes CCK needs to work a lot harder to ensure companies provide affordable services. But boycotting Ndemo and Njoroge can’t be a solution when we still have so far to go in ICT.
In my view it’s defeatist to say that 80% of your productivity is wasted because of two mere individuals – it flies in the face of the gains being made on a daily basis by those who work hard for their money. And what’s that about keeping your enemies close?
As always, this is purely my personal opinion and does not reflect that of my employer.
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*From:* kictanet-bounces+mkinyanjui=nation.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mkinyanjui <kictanet-bounces%2Bmkinyanjui>= nation.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Walubengo J *Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2010 11:21 AM *To:* Marie-Anne Kinyanjui *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* [kictanet] The broadband mess in Kenya - and I’m so angry
Kenya is in dire need of investment in technology. That is why I am angry that the factors hindering growth are actually "policy" related to this sector, and not due to lack of innovators or investors. There are many innovators and investors willing to take the challenge of helping Kenya come out of the dark ages of narrowband and into the grace of broadband.
The problem rises from the differences between the Communication Commission of Kenya (CCK) and other 3G service providers. There seems to be a great cloud of varying information which hardly gets to the man on the street. The unclear issues include the following:
Stroy continues @
http://www.nation.co.ke/blogs/-/634/850014/-/view/asBlogPost/-/pjyirj/-/inde...
walu. Disclaimer: views expressed here belong purely to the author and are not necessary endorsed by me ;-)
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Brilliant thinking, hope it can get implemented so we can stop this my shoe is longer than your shoe issues. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 --- On Wed, 27/1/10, Michuki Mwangi <michuki@swiftkenya.com> wrote: From: Michuki Mwangi <michuki@swiftkenya.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] The broadband mess in Kenya - and I'm so angry To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, 27 January, 2010, 18:01 Interesting article, But a thought occurred to me - what regulation prohibits the 3 operators to buy a single license and provide the 3g/4G on a shared infrastructure built under this license?. Basically a third party organization leasing its 3G infrastructure to mobile operators or any license ISP for data services. Assuming this was possible and it should be since 02 and Vodaphone are sharing 3G infrastructure in the UK. Then it means building and providing affordable access via 3G network should not be that far out of reach. But then again i dont have all the facts so i could be missing something. Regards, Michuki. Marie-Anne Kinyanjui wrote:
This is an issue that has troubled me as I’ve watched the debate over 3G licences.
Telkom and Essar have both indicated in public forums that they have /already/ paid the fee. I’m not sure about Zain.
So that begs the question - why all the noise about 3G licences if three out of four players can afford it?
And if we are to compete in a fair and transparent manner – why shouldn’t they pay the fee? Surely everyone should pay one price for the same licence? When buying base stations – do these companies ask for different prices than their competitor because they happen to be placed fourth in the market? I think not.
And is anyone else reminded of what happened when fibre landed by this 3G debate??
It would be great if we could get to the bottom of the real issues in the industry.
Yes there is a dominant player and yes CCK needs to work a lot harder to ensure companies provide affordable services. But boycotting Ndemo and Njoroge can’t be a solution when we still have so far to go in ICT.
In my view it’s defeatist to say that 80% of your productivity is wasted because of two mere individuals – it flies in the face of the gains being made on a daily basis by those who work hard for their money. And what’s that about keeping your enemies close?
As always, this is purely my personal opinion and does not reflect that of my employer.
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*From:* kictanet-bounces+mkinyanjui=nation.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mkinyanjui=nation.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Walubengo J *Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2010 11:21 AM *To:* Marie-Anne Kinyanjui *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* [kictanet] The broadband mess in Kenya - and I’m so angry
Kenya is in dire need of investment in technology. That is why I am angry that the factors hindering growth are actually "policy" related to this sector, and not due to lack of innovators or investors. There are many innovators and investors willing to take the challenge of helping Kenya come out of the dark ages of narrowband and into the grace of broadband.
The problem rises from the differences between the Communication Commission of Kenya (CCK) and other 3G service providers. There seems to be a great cloud of varying information which hardly gets to the man on the street. The unclear issues include the following:
Stroy continues @
http://www.nation.co.ke/blogs/-/634/850014/-/view/asBlogPost/-/pjyirj/-/inde...
walu. Disclaimer: views expressed here belong purely to the author and are not necessary endorsed by me ;-)
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Walu, I disagree with you, as Dr. Ndemo has said before policy follows implementation how can you have police what does not exist. 3G, 4G or 10G has no value if we have not exhausted the 1G & 2G, technology for technologies sake unfortunately is not the solution to our problems. I hate having to watch my bandwidth traffic meter when downloading mail from my local ISP because someone is trying to recover a 3G license fee by charging me by the meg. We cried about highspeed internet now that the cables have landed we are looking for new scapegoats. I wish I can get fixed rate service for local connectivity which is what I need to be able to provide my clients with cost effective WAN solutions. It is scary when it is cheaper to connect from Nairobi to New York than from Nairobi to Mombasa. So, lets stop creating new scapegoats and concentrate our energies on issues that have a direct impact on us locally. It is shocking that your so called GPRS, 2G & 3G operators are unable to provide a reliable and dependable VPN within their network, or cry my believed country. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 --- On Wed, 27/1/10, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> Subject: [kictanet] The broadband mess in Kenya - and I’m so angry To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, 27 January, 2010, 8:21 Kenya is in dire need of investment in technology. That is why I am angry that the factors hindering growth are actually "policy" related to this sector, and not due to lack of innovators or investors. There are many innovators and investors willing to take the challenge of helping Kenya come out of the dark ages of narrowband and into the grace of broadband. The problem rises from the differences between the Communication Commission of Kenya (CCK) and other 3G service providers. There seems to be a great cloud of varying information which hardly gets to the man on the street. The unclear issues include the following: Stroy continues @http://www.nation.co.ke/blogs/-/634/850014/-/view/asBlogPost/-/pjyirj/-/inde... walu. Disclaimer: views expressed here belong purely to the author and are not necessary endorsed by me ;-) -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.u...
Listers, Reading the article, there is a sense that one mobile service providers is operating a GSM monopolistic tyranny...So that we don't lose the bigger picture(I.e the contribution this said provider has made to the industry...read Safaricom), I guess it would help for the MoIC to organise or setup up a desk where users can report their grievances, and then the PS can take it up with the regulators...will this work,I don't know,however I believe dialogue is key,can CCK do it,I DON'T think so...who can help sort out the mess...PS Ndemo and if need be parliamentary committee on ICT...What say you Hon.Rege?I am sure the Kenyan consumer has been taken for a ride for far too long and its about time someone sorted out the issues soberly! And by the way what does CCK do again? Do we need CCK?Can't the ministry manage the whole telecoms desk so that we have some accountability person...I think we have created structures (like CCK whose accountability is to nobody and whose role is really questionable...! My case rested.. EK Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:37:51 To: <emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] The broadband mess in Kenya - and I’ m so angry _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/emmanuel.khisa%40kadet....
Guys, Surprisingly, concerns being raised here are being met with a "deafening" silence, by those in position do something about this..! I think the consumer demands better now. Can we see some co-ordinated, concerted efforts to enable the consumer enjoy the fruits of a liberalized industry to date, rather than getting 'milked' dry.. Harry -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:52 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet]The broadband mess in Kenya - and I'm so angry Listers, Reading the article, there is a sense that one mobile service providers is operating a GSM monopolistic tyranny...So that we don't lose the bigger picture(I.e the contribution this said provider has made to the industry...read Safaricom), I guess it would help for the MoIC to organise or setup up a desk where users can report their grievances, and then the PS can take it up with the regulators...will this work,I don't know,however I believe dialogue is key,can CCK do it,I DON'T think so...who can help sort out the mess...PS Ndemo and if need be parliamentary committee on ICT...What say you Hon.Rege?I am sure the Kenyan consumer has been taken for a ride for far too long and its about time someone sorted out the issues soberly! And by the way what does CCK do again? Do we need CCK?Can't the ministry manage the whole telecoms desk so that we have some accountability person...I think we have created structures (like CCK whose accountability is to nobody and whose role is really questionable...! My case rested.. EK Sent from my BlackBerryR -----Original Message----- From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:37:51 To: <emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] The broadband mess in Kenya - and I' m so angry _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/emmanuel.khisa%40kadet. co.ke _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/harry%40comtelsys.co.ke
I totally disagree, the bigger picture is that we are refusing to move forward and just keep creating roadblocks. Safaricom paid for the license let the others pay, this reminds me of the people complaining in Mombasa about being charged for ferry services. The same people then scream blue murder when the ferry stalls mid way. Lets fight for unlimited connectivity locally as this would directly benefit us at the bottom of the pyramid thus at the top can take care of themselves. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 --- On Wed, 27/1/10, emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke <emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke> wrote: From: emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke <emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet]The broadband mess in Kenya - and I’m so angry To: "robert yawe" <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>, kictanet-bounces+emmanuel.khisa=kadet.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, 27 January, 2010, 12:51 Listers, Reading the article, there is a sense that one mobile service providers is operating a GSM monopolistic tyranny...So that we don't lose the bigger picture(I.e the contribution this said provider has made to the industry...read Safaricom), I guess it would help for the MoIC to organise or setup up a desk where users can report their grievances, and then the PS can take it up with the regulators...will this work,I don't know,however I believe dialogue is key,can CCK do it,I DON'T think so...who can help sort out the mess...PS Ndemo and if need be parliamentary committee on ICT...What say you Hon.Rege?I am sure the Kenyan consumer has been taken for a ride for far too long and its about time someone sorted out the issues soberly! And by the way what does CCK do again? Do we need CCK?Can't the ministry manage the whole telecoms desk so that we have some accountability person...I think we have created structures (like CCK whose accountability is to nobody and whose role is really questionable...! My case rested.. EK Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:37:51 To: <emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] The broadband mess in Kenya - and I’ m so angry _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/emmanuel.khisa%40kadet....
From what I get here, the other service providers save Safaricom, have hinted at moving 3G once the regulator grants them licence. The whining is not all about going 3G or not but why it has to take long before a co. is able to diffuse it downwards, immediately the licence is applied. I agree whether we go 3G, 4G or even 100G, while there is no mass education on and about technology or benefits of the fibre optic cables etc, then we are creating roadblocks or an artificial shortage of internet usage in Kenya. Sometimes blaming Dr. Ndemo when the good PS does not seat on the board of these companies, is just a cry over spilt milk. Individual companies need to sort their little mess soberly. However, there is a lack of a policy governing service provision such as an active SLAs policy etc.
On 27/01/2010, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
I totally disagree, the bigger picture is that we are refusing to move forward and just keep creating roadblocks.
Safaricom paid for the license let the others pay, this reminds me of the people complaining in Mombasa about being charged for ferry services. The same people then scream blue murder when the ferry stalls mid way.
Lets fight for unlimited connectivity locally as this would directly benefit us at the bottom of the pyramid thus at the top can take care of themselves.
Regards
Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
--- On Wed, 27/1/10, emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke <emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke> wrote:
From: emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke <emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet]The broadband mess in Kenya - and I’m so angry To: "robert yawe" <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>, kictanet-bounces+emmanuel.khisa=kadet.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, 27 January, 2010, 12:51
Listers,
Reading the article, there is a sense that one mobile service providers is operating a GSM monopolistic tyranny...So that we don't lose the bigger picture(I.e the contribution this said provider has made to the industry...read Safaricom), I guess it would help for the MoIC to organise or setup up a desk where users can report their grievances, and then the PS can take it up with the regulators...will this work,I don't know,however I believe dialogue is key,can CCK do it,I DON'T think so...who can help sort out the mess...PS Ndemo and if need be parliamentary committee on ICT...What say you Hon.Rege?I am sure the Kenyan consumer has been taken for a ride for far too long and its about time someone sorted out the issues soberly!
And by the way what does CCK do again? Do we need CCK?Can't the ministry manage the whole telecoms desk so that we have some accountability person...I think we have created structures (like CCK whose accountability is to nobody and whose role is really questionable...!
My case rested..
EK Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:37:51 To: <emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] The broadband mess in Kenya - and I’ m so angry
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Yawe, plse note that the story was by some KAHENYA KAMUNYU (whoever that is) and not by me. I was simply forwarding the message and that is why I had put a disclaimer which I repeat below. "Disclaimer: views expressed here belong purely to the author and are not necessary endorsed by me ;-)" -walu. --- On Wed, 1/27/10, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [kictanet] The broadband mess in Kenya - and I’m so angry To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 4:37 PM Walu, I disagree with you, as Dr. Ndemo has said before policy follows implementation how can you have police what does not exist. 3G, 4G or 10G has no value if we have not exhausted the 1G & 2G, technology for technologies sake unfortunately is not the solution to our problems. I hate having to watch my bandwidth traffic meter when downloading mail from my local ISP because someone is trying to recover a 3G license fee by charging me by the meg. We cried about highspeed internet now that the cables have landed we are looking for new scapegoats. I wish I can get fixed rate service for local connectivity which is what I need to be able to provide my clients with cost effective WAN solutions. It is scary when it is cheaper to connect from Nairobi to New York than from Nairobi to Mombasa. So, lets stop creating new scapegoats and concentrate our energies on issues that have a direct impact on us locally. It is shocking that your so called GPRS, 2G & 3G operators are unable to provide a reliable and dependable VPN within their network, or cry my believed country. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 --- On Wed, 27/1/10, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> Subject: [kictanet] The broadband mess in Kenya - and I’m so angry To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, 27 January, 2010, 8:21 Kenya is in dire need of investment in technology. That is why I am angry that the factors hindering growth are actually "policy" related to this sector, and not due to lack of innovators or investors. There are many innovators and investors willing to take the challenge of helping Kenya come out of the dark ages of narrowband and into the grace of broadband. The problem rises from the differences between the Communication Commission of Kenya (CCK) and other 3G service providers. There seems to be a great cloud of varying information which hardly gets to the man on the street. The unclear issues include the following: Stroy continues @http://www.nation.co.ke/blogs/-/634/850014/-/view/asBlogPost/-/pjyirj/-/inde... walu. Disclaimer: views expressed here belong purely to the author and are not necessary endorsed by me ;-) -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.u...
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