Re: [kictanet] SPAM/OPT IN/OPT OUT MARKETING FROM THE TELCOS - DEATH BY SMS
Advertisements (as in newspapers, TV, etc.) provide the primary course of revenue for these businesses. Safaricom and other telcos need to demonstrate that they are offering services as below par prices and hence need to recoup/make a profit through ads. There is no justification for bombarding individuals with ads when they are not getting a cut in airtime rates. CCK should step in and advise accordingly. Regards. Message: 1 Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 13:16:13 +0300 From: William Warero <wwarero@gmail.com> To: Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] SPAM/OPT IN/OPT OUT MARKETING FROM THE TELCOS - DEATH BY SMS Message-ID: <CAA1AGAex+18ovzkn0b7-_BqtUELfS4zeSNuN5ciQGoWs+sqAjg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, from the network's perspective it is not spam. When you purchase a SIM card or enter into a contract for use of a line, it remains the network's property. Similar to the TV model, the advertisement slots are a secondary revenue stream and a mode of directing traffic one way or the other, particularly for networks other than Safaricom. However, in the interest of retaining their clients they monitor the frequency of the messages sent to subscribers in slots, just as the media companies do. The "Do Not Disturb" lists do exist I believe, and should be effected upon request to their respective customer care options. With over 16 million Kenyans being online and growing,the majority accessing the internet by phone, I believe we will be seeing more and more mobile phone targeted advertising. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matunda Nyanchama, PhD, CISSP; mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com Agano Consulting Inc.; www.aganoconsulting.com; Twitter: nmatunda; Skype: okiambe ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Be prepared for ICT security failures & know how to respond when they happen! Call: +1-888-587-1150 or info@aganoconsulting.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The best revenge is massive success" - Frank Sinatra----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail, including attachments, may be privileged and may contain confidential or proprietary information intended only for the addressee(s). Any other distribution, copying, use, or disclosure is unauthorized and strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete the message, including any attachments, without making a copy. Thank you.
Clearly very few of us read the fine print when e bought our SIM cards. Safaricom et.al. can do whatever they wish including sending you a message every morning reminding you to buy credit. This is neither illegal or within the jurisdiction of CCK. Please read the infamous terms and conditions. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Matunda Nyanchama < mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com> wrote:
Advertisements (as in newspapers, TV, etc.) provide the primary course of revenue for these businesses.
Safaricom and other telcos need to demonstrate that they are offering services as below par prices and hence need to recoup/make a profit through ads.
There is no justification for bombarding individuals with ads when they are not getting a cut in airtime rates.
CCK should step in and advise accordingly.
Regards.
Message: 1 Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 13:16:13 +0300 From: William Warero <wwarero@gmail.com> To: Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] SPAM/OPT IN/OPT OUT MARKETING FROM THE TELCOS - DEATH BY SMS Message-ID: <CAA1AGAex+18ovzkn0b7-_BqtUELfS4zeSNuN5ciQGoWs+sqAjg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Well, from the network's perspective it is not spam. When you purchase a SIM card or enter into a contract for use of a line, it remains the network's property. Similar to the TV model, the advertisement slots are a secondary revenue stream and a mode of directing traffic one way or the other, particularly for networks other than Safaricom.
However, in the interest of retaining their clients they monitor the frequency of the messages sent to subscribers in slots, just as the media companies do.
The "Do Not Disturb" lists do exist I believe, and should be effected upon request to their respective customer care options.
With over 16 million Kenyans being online and growing,the majority accessing the internet by phone, I believe we will be seeing more and more mobile phone targeted advertising.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matunda Nyanchama, PhD, CISSP; mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com Agano Consulting Inc.; www.aganoconsulting.com; Twitter: nmatunda; <http://twitter.com/#%21/nmatunda>Skype: okiambe
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Be prepared for ICT security failures & know how to respond when they happen! Call: +1-888-587-1150 or info@aganoconsulting.com
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The best revenge is massive success" - Frank Sinatra
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So Mark..what you are saying is that it is ok to send us Spam? I will definitely read the fine print again. Ali Hussein CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd +254 713 601113 "The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb Sent from my iPad On May 3, 2013, at 6:01 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
Clearly very few of us read the fine print when e bought our SIM cards. Safaricom et.al. can do whatever they wish including sending you a message every morning reminding you to buy credit. This is neither illegal or within the jurisdiction of CCK. Please read the infamous terms and conditions.
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Matunda Nyanchama <mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com> wrote:
Advertisements (as in newspapers, TV, etc.) provide the primary course of revenue for these businesses.
Safaricom and other telcos need to demonstrate that they are offering services as below par prices and hence need to recoup/make a profit through ads.
There is no justification for bombarding individuals with ads when they are not getting a cut in airtime rates.
CCK should step in and advise accordingly.
Regards.
Message: 1 Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 13:16:13 +0300 From: William Warero <wwarero@gmail.com> To: Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] SPAM/OPT IN/OPT OUT MARKETING FROM THE TELCOS - DEATH BY SMS Message-ID: <CAA1AGAex+18ovzkn0b7-_BqtUELfS4zeSNuN5ciQGoWs+sqAjg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Well, from the network's perspective it is not spam. When you purchase a SIM card or enter into a contract for use of a line, it remains the network's property. Similar to the TV model, the advertisement slots are a secondary revenue stream and a mode of directing traffic one way or the other, particularly for networks other than Safaricom.
However, in the interest of retaining their clients they monitor the frequency of the messages sent to subscribers in slots, just as the media companies do.
The "Do Not Disturb" lists do exist I believe, and should be effected upon request to their respective customer care options.
With over 16 million Kenyans being online and growing,the majority accessing the internet by phone, I believe we will be seeing more and more mobile phone targeted advertising. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matunda Nyanchama, PhD, CISSP; mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com Agano Consulting Inc.; www.aganoconsulting.com; Twitter: nmatunda; Skype: okiambe ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Be prepared for ICT security failures & know how to respond when they happen! Call: +1-888-587-1150 or info@aganoconsulting.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The best revenge is massive success" - Frank Sinatra ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail, including attachments, may be privileged and may contain confidential or proprietary information intended only for the addressee(s). Any other distribution, copying, use, or disclosure is unauthorized and strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete the message, including any attachments, without making a copy. Thank you.
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@Ali what I am saying is that as @warero said, the SIM is still the networks property and though it may be annoying to us, it is not exactly a 'wrong' thing they are doing. Vote with our wallets? On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
So Mark..what you are saying is that it is ok to send us Spam? I will definitely read the fine print again.
Ali Hussein CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd
+254 713 601113
"The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb
Sent from my iPad
On May 3, 2013, at 6:01 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
Clearly very few of us read the fine print when e bought our SIM cards. Safaricom et.al. can do whatever they wish including sending you a message every morning reminding you to buy credit. This is neither illegal or within the jurisdiction of CCK. Please read the infamous terms and conditions.
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Matunda Nyanchama < mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com> wrote:
Advertisements (as in newspapers, TV, etc.) provide the primary course of revenue for these businesses.
Safaricom and other telcos need to demonstrate that they are offering services as below par prices and hence need to recoup/make a profit through ads.
There is no justification for bombarding individuals with ads when they are not getting a cut in airtime rates.
CCK should step in and advise accordingly.
Regards.
Message: 1 Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 13:16:13 +0300 From: William Warero <wwarero@gmail.com> To: Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] SPAM/OPT IN/OPT OUT MARKETING FROM THE TELCOS - DEATH BY SMS Message-ID: <CAA1AGAex+18ovzkn0b7-_BqtUELfS4zeSNuN5ciQGoWs+sqAjg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Well, from the network's perspective it is not spam. When you purchase a SIM card or enter into a contract for use of a line, it remains the network's property. Similar to the TV model, the advertisement slots are a secondary revenue stream and a mode of directing traffic one way or the other, particularly for networks other than Safaricom.
However, in the interest of retaining their clients they monitor the frequency of the messages sent to subscribers in slots, just as the media companies do.
The "Do Not Disturb" lists do exist I believe, and should be effected upon request to their respective customer care options.
With over 16 million Kenyans being online and growing,the majority accessing the internet by phone, I believe we will be seeing more and more mobile phone targeted advertising.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matunda Nyanchama, PhD, CISSP; mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com Agano Consulting Inc.; www.aganoconsulting.com; Twitter: nmatunda; <http://twitter.com/#%21/nmatunda>Skype: okiambe
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Be prepared for ICT security failures & know how to respond when they happen! Call: +1-888-587-1150 or info@aganoconsulting.com
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The best revenge is massive success" - Frank Sinatra
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Mark Unfortunately in this country all the networks are guilty of the same thing. I'm curious what Bwana Mutoro or CCK has to say about this... Ali Hussein CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd +254 713 601113 "The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb Sent from my iPad On May 3, 2013, at 6:13 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
@Ali what I am saying is that as @warero said, the SIM is still the networks property and though it may be annoying to us, it is not exactly a 'wrong' thing they are doing. Vote with our wallets?
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
So Mark..what you are saying is that it is ok to send us Spam? I will definitely read the fine print again.
Ali Hussein CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd
+254 713 601113
"The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb
Sent from my iPad
On May 3, 2013, at 6:01 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
Clearly very few of us read the fine print when e bought our SIM cards. Safaricom et.al. can do whatever they wish including sending you a message every morning reminding you to buy credit. This is neither illegal or within the jurisdiction of CCK. Please read the infamous terms and conditions.
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Matunda Nyanchama <mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com> wrote:
Advertisements (as in newspapers, TV, etc.) provide the primary course of revenue for these businesses.
Safaricom and other telcos need to demonstrate that they are offering services as below par prices and hence need to recoup/make a profit through ads.
There is no justification for bombarding individuals with ads when they are not getting a cut in airtime rates.
CCK should step in and advise accordingly.
Regards.
Message: 1 Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 13:16:13 +0300 From: William Warero <wwarero@gmail.com> To: Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] SPAM/OPT IN/OPT OUT MARKETING FROM THE TELCOS - DEATH BY SMS Message-ID: <CAA1AGAex+18ovzkn0b7-_BqtUELfS4zeSNuN5ciQGoWs+sqAjg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Well, from the network's perspective it is not spam. When you purchase a SIM card or enter into a contract for use of a line, it remains the network's property. Similar to the TV model, the advertisement slots are a secondary revenue stream and a mode of directing traffic one way or the other, particularly for networks other than Safaricom.
However, in the interest of retaining their clients they monitor the frequency of the messages sent to subscribers in slots, just as the media companies do.
The "Do Not Disturb" lists do exist I believe, and should be effected upon request to their respective customer care options.
With over 16 million Kenyans being online and growing,the majority accessing the internet by phone, I believe we will be seeing more and more mobile phone targeted advertising. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matunda Nyanchama, PhD, CISSP; mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com Agano Consulting Inc.; www.aganoconsulting.com; Twitter: nmatunda; Skype: okiambe ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Be prepared for ICT security failures & know how to respond when they happen! Call: +1-888-587-1150 or info@aganoconsulting.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The best revenge is massive success" - Frank Sinatra ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail, including attachments, may be privileged and may contain confidential or proprietary information intended only for the addressee(s). Any other distribution, copying, use, or disclosure is unauthorized and strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete the message, including any attachments, without making a copy. Thank you.
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KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
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Ali, Listers In order to get a broader view of this matter I would suggest a look at Directive 2002/58/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 12 July 2002 concerning the processing of personal data and the protection of privacy in the electronic communications sector. Some work needs to be done in this area in our country in order to deal with the spam nuisance. John Kariuki ________________________________ From: Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> To: ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, 3 May 2013, 18:19 Subject: Re: [kictanet] SPAM/OPT IN/OPT OUT MARKETING FROM THE TELCOS - DEATH BY SMS Mark Unfortunately in this country all the networks are guilty of the same thing. I'm curious what Bwana Mutoro or CCK has to say about this... Ali Hussein CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd +254 713 601113 "The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb Sent from my iPad On May 3, 2013, at 6:13 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote: @Ali what I am saying is that as @warero said, the SIM is still the networks property and though it may be annoying to us, it is not exactly a 'wrong' thing they are doing. Vote with our wallets?
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
So Mark..what you are saying is that it is ok to send us Spam? I will definitely read the fine print again.
Ali Hussein CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd
+254 713 601113
"The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb
Sent from my iPad
On May 3, 2013, at 6:01 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
Clearly very few of us read the fine print when e bought our SIM cards. Safaricom et.al. can do whatever they wish including sending you a message every morning reminding you to buy credit. This is neither illegal or within the jurisdiction of CCK. Please read the infamous terms and conditions.
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Matunda Nyanchama <mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com> wrote:
Advertisements (as in newspapers, TV, etc.) provide the primary course of revenue for these businesses.
Safaricom and other telcos need to demonstrate that they are offering services as below par prices and hence need to recoup/make a profit through ads.
There is no justification for bombarding individuals with ads when they are not getting a cut in airtime rates.
CCK should step in and advise accordingly.
Regards.
Message: 1 Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 13:16:13 +0300 From: William Warero <wwarero@gmail.com> To: Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] SPAM/OPT IN/OPT OUT MARKETING FROM THE TELCOS - DEATH BY SMS Message-ID: <CAA1AGAex+18ovzkn0b7-_BqtUELfS4zeSNuN5ciQGoWs+sqAjg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Well, from the network's perspective it is not spam. When you purchase a SIM card or enter into a contract for use of a line, it remains the network's property. Similar to the TV model, the advertisement slots are a secondary revenue stream and a mode of directing traffic one way or the other, particularly for networks other than Safaricom.
However, in the interest of retaining their clients they monitor the frequency of the messages sent to subscribers in slots, just as the media companies do.
The "Do Not Disturb" lists do exist I believe, and should be effected upon request to their respective customer care options.
With over 16 million Kenyans being online and growing,the majority accessing the internet by phone, I believe we will be seeing more and more mobile phone targeted advertising. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matunda Nyanchama, PhD, CISSP; mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com Agano Consulting Inc.; www.aganoconsulting.com; Twitter: nmatunda; Skype: okiambe ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Be prepared for ICT security failures & know how to respond when they happen! Call: +1-888-587-1150 or info@aganoconsulting.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The best revenge is massive success" - Frank Sinatra----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail, including attachments, may be privileged and may contain confidential or proprietary information intended only for the addressee(s). Any other distribution, copying, use, or disclosure is unauthorized and strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete the message, including any attachments, without making a copy. Thank you.
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Thanks John for sharing. Ali Hussein CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd +254 713 601113 "The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb Sent from my iPad On May 3, 2013, at 8:31 PM, John Kariuki <ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Ali, Listers In order to get a broader view of this matter I would suggest a look at Directive 2002/58/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 12 July 2002 concerning the processing of personal data and the protection of privacy in the electronic communications sector. Some work needs to be done in this area in our country in order to deal with the spam nuisance.
John Kariuki
From: Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> To: ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, 3 May 2013, 18:19 Subject: Re: [kictanet] SPAM/OPT IN/OPT OUT MARKETING FROM THE TELCOS - DEATH BY SMS
Mark
Unfortunately in this country all the networks are guilty of the same thing.
I'm curious what Bwana Mutoro or CCK has to say about this...
Ali Hussein CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd
+254 713 601113
"The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb
Sent from my iPad
On May 3, 2013, at 6:13 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
@Ali what I am saying is that as @warero said, the SIM is still the networks property and though it may be annoying to us, it is not exactly a 'wrong' thing they are doing. Vote with our wallets?
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote: So Mark..what you are saying is that it is ok to send us Spam? I will definitely read the fine print again.
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On May 3, 2013, at 6:01 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
Clearly very few of us read the fine print when e bought our SIM cards. Safaricom et.al. can do whatever they wish including sending you a message every morning reminding you to buy credit. This is neither illegal or within the jurisdiction of CCK. Please read the infamous terms and conditions.
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Matunda Nyanchama <mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com> wrote: Advertisements (as in newspapers, TV, etc.) provide the primary course of revenue for these businesses.
Safaricom and other telcos need to demonstrate that they are offering services as below par prices and hence need to recoup/make a profit through ads.
There is no justification for bombarding individuals with ads when they are not getting a cut in airtime rates.
CCK should step in and advise accordingly.
Regards.
Message: 1 Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 13:16:13 +0300 From: William Warero <wwarero@gmail.com> To: Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] SPAM/OPT IN/OPT OUT MARKETING FROM THE TELCOS - DEATH BY SMS Message-ID: <CAA1AGAex+18ovzkn0b7-_BqtUELfS4zeSNuN5ciQGoWs+sqAjg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Well, from the network's perspective it is not spam. When you purchase a SIM card or enter into a contract for use of a line, it remains the network's property. Similar to the TV model, the advertisement slots are a secondary revenue stream and a mode of directing traffic one way or the other, particularly for networks other than Safaricom.
However, in the interest of retaining their clients they monitor the frequency of the messages sent to subscribers in slots, just as the media companies do.
The "Do Not Disturb" lists do exist I believe, and should be effected upon request to their respective customer care options.
With over 16 million Kenyans being online and growing,the majority accessing the internet by phone, I believe we will be seeing more and more mobile phone targeted advertising. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matunda Nyanchama, PhD, CISSP; mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com Agano Consulting Inc.; www.aganoconsulting.com; Twitter: nmatunda; Skype: okiambe ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Be prepared for ICT security failures & know how to respond when they happen! Call: +1-888-587-1150 or info@aganoconsulting.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The best revenge is massive success" - Frank Sinatra ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail, including attachments, may be privileged and may contain confidential or proprietary information intended only for the addressee(s). Any other distribution, copying, use, or disclosure is unauthorized and strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete the message, including any attachments, without making a copy. Thank you.
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Just because they say doesn't mean it cannot be challenged! Question: is this fair practice? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matunda Nyanchama, PhD, CISSP; mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com Agano Consulting Inc.; www.aganoconsulting.com; Twitter: nmatunda; Skype: okiambe ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Be prepared for ICT security failures & know how to respond when they happen! Call: +1-888-587-1150 or info@aganoconsulting.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The best revenge is massive success" - Frank Sinatra----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail, including attachments, may be privileged and may contain confidential or proprietary information intended only for the addressee(s). Any other distribution, copying, use, or disclosure is unauthorized and strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete the message, including any attachments, without making a copy. Thank you. ________________________________ From: Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> To: Matunda Nyanchama <mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, May 3, 2013 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] SPAM/OPT IN/OPT OUT MARKETING FROM THE TELCOS - DEATH BY SMS Clearly very few of us read the fine print when e bought our SIM cards. Safaricom et.al. can do whatever they wish including sending you a message every morning reminding you to buy credit. This is neither illegal or within the jurisdiction of CCK. Please read the infamous terms and conditions. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Matunda Nyanchama <mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com> wrote: Advertisements (as in newspapers, TV, etc.) provide the primary course of revenue for these businesses.
Safaricom and other telcos need to demonstrate that they are offering services as below par prices and hence need to recoup/make a profit through ads.
There is no justification for bombarding individuals with ads when they are not getting a cut in airtime rates.
CCK should step in and advise accordingly.
Regards.
Message: 1 Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 13:16:13 +0300 From: William Warero <wwarero@gmail.com> To: Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] SPAM/OPT IN/OPT OUT MARKETING FROM THE TELCOS - DEATH BY SMS Message-ID: <CAA1AGAex+18ovzkn0b7-_BqtUELfS4zeSNuN5ciQGoWs+sqAjg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Well, from the network's perspective it is not spam. When you purchase a SIM card or enter into a contract for use of a line, it remains the network's property. Similar to the TV model, the advertisement slots are a secondary revenue stream and a mode of directing traffic one way or the other, particularly for networks other than Safaricom.
However, in the interest of retaining their clients they monitor the frequency of the messages sent to subscribers in slots, just as the media companies do.
The "Do Not Disturb" lists do exist I believe, and should be effected upon request to their respective customer care options.
With over 16 million Kenyans being online and growing,the majority accessing the internet by phone, I believe we will be seeing more and more mobile phone targeted advertising. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matunda Nyanchama, PhD, CISSP; mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com Agano Consulting Inc.; www.aganoconsulting.com; Twitter: nmatunda; Skype: okiambe ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Be prepared for ICT security failures & know how to respond when they happen! Call: +1-888-587-1150 or info@aganoconsulting.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The best revenge is massive success" - Frank Sinatra----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail, including attachments, may be privileged and may contain confidential or proprietary information intended only for the addressee(s). Any other distribution, copying, use, or disclosure is unauthorized and strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete the message, including any attachments, without making a copy. Thank you.
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Matunda Nyanchama