Safaricom S.I.M. Swap Debacle...
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Safaricom staff, Jkuat student arrested over SIM card fraud https://www.nation.co.ke/news/Telco-staff--Jkuat-student-arrested-over-SIM-c... From: kictanet <kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke> On Behalf Of Michael Bullut via kictanet Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 9:52 AM To: awatila@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Michael Bullut <main@kipsang.com> Subject: [kictanet] Safaricom S.I.M. Swap Debacle... Greetings Team, With the story doing rounds on social media, has Safaricom issued a statement on the same? Anyone from Safaricom on the list care to comment? Warm regards, Michael Bullut. --- Cell: +254 723 393 114. Skype Name: Michael Bullut. Twitter: @Kipsang <http://twitter.com/Kipsang/> Blog: http://www.kipsang.com/ E-mail: main@kipsang.com <mailto:main@kipsang.com> ---
In April i lost 123k to these fraudsters.It is very simple to make preventive measures make availability of mpesa after sim swap to be 24-48 hours.Then make activation process be similar to a new line where the person has to go personally with ID.But if someone has access immediately then many more are going to lose money.Maybe we need a class action against safaricom for being vicariously liable.I should give omtata a shout ....by the way On Tue, 17 Jul 2018, 09:53 Michael Bullut via kictanet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Greetings Team,
With the story doing rounds on social media, has Safaricom issued a statement on the same? Anyone from Safaricom on the list care to comment?
Warm regards,
Michael Bullut.
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My Friend: Certainly, if we look beyond today´s outdated technology. SIM cards are how networks identify that a phone has a subscription connected to it. In other words, it is a crude, hardware-based system for user identification. I can already connect to my bank and identify myself from any device, and move large amounts of money (well, if I had any). This system uses software only. I can access my email using a personal username and code, software only. I can log on to my corporate network, apply for a passport, or make payment online using NO dedicated hardware. Oh, and by the way, I can make phone calls using any of a multitude of apps like Messenger, Skype, etc. It is clear that fairly advanced, high-security applications manage well without SIM-cards. Some smart watches already employ “e-sim”, replacing the need for a cumbersome, costly, and inflexible SIM-card. If I could log on to my computer at work using a code, I could use it to receive my phone calls if I left my phone at home. Why do phone companies dally? It is hard to explain. Handling and distributing SIM cards is likely costly. One theory is that a hardware device is harder for us to exchange, making the threshold for switching operator higher. If all I needed was a personal code, I could switch operator in a second, benefiting from better prices. It could also be pure technological inertia. Telecom is very much controlled by global standards that change only slowly. I am sure we will see SIM-less phones very soon (or we might simply abolish telephony altogether, and use the app of our choice on the device of our choice.) Yours Mosonik On Sat, 21 Jul 30 Heisei at 2:03 PM, Joseph McDonald via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
In April i lost 123k to these fraudsters.It is very simple to make preventive measures make availability of mpesa after sim swap to be 24-48 hours.Then make activation process be similar to a new line where the person has to go personally with ID.But if someone has access immediately then many more are going to lose money.Maybe we need a class action against safaricom for being vicariously liable.I should give omtata a shout ....by the way
On Tue, 17 Jul 2018, 09:53 Michael Bullut via kictanet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Greetings Team,
With the story doing rounds on social media, has Safaricom issued a statement on the same? Anyone from Safaricom on the list care to comment?
Warm regards,
Michael Bullut.
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No. This one will curtail the rights of legitimate sim swappers. And sometimes things happen that you have to swap your sim and use MPesa immediately. Then again, there's no need for another red tape regarding the ID issue. For me I'd feel violated when you keep on asking for my ID. There are loopholes that Safaricom must close and still make the process more seamless. On Sat, Jul 21, 2018, 3:03 PM Joseph McDonald via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
In April i lost 123k to these fraudsters.It is very simple to make preventive measures make availability of mpesa after sim swap to be 24-48 hours.Then make activation process be similar to a new line where the person has to go personally with ID.But if someone has access immediately then many more are going to lose money.Maybe we need a class action against safaricom for being vicariously liable.I should give omtata a shout ....by the way
On Tue, 17 Jul 2018, 09:53 Michael Bullut via kictanet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Greetings Team,
With the story doing rounds on social media, has Safaricom issued a statement on the same? Anyone from Safaricom on the list care to comment?
Warm regards,
Michael Bullut.
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There's a big conspiracy to defraud with this one. On Sat, Jul 21, 2018, 3:46 PM Kimani Nyoike <kimanianyoike@gmail.com> wrote:
No. This one will curtail the rights of legitimate sim swappers. And sometimes things happen that you have to swap your sim and use MPesa immediately. Then again, there's no need for another red tape regarding the ID issue. For me I'd feel violated when you keep on asking for my ID. There are loopholes that Safaricom must close and still make the process more seamless.
On Sat, Jul 21, 2018, 3:03 PM Joseph McDonald via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
In April i lost 123k to these fraudsters.It is very simple to make preventive measures make availability of mpesa after sim swap to be 24-48 hours.Then make activation process be similar to a new line where the person has to go personally with ID.But if someone has access immediately then many more are going to lose money.Maybe we need a class action against safaricom for being vicariously liable.I should give omtata a shout ....by the way
On Tue, 17 Jul 2018, 09:53 Michael Bullut via kictanet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Greetings Team,
With the story doing rounds on social media, has Safaricom issued a statement on the same? Anyone from Safaricom on the list care to comment?
Warm regards,
Michael Bullut.
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There are legitimate career sim swappers? On Sat, 21 Jul 2018, 15:47 Kimani Nyoike via kictanet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
No. This one will curtail the rights of legitimate sim swappers. And sometimes things happen that you have to swap your sim and use MPesa immediately. Then again, there's no need for another red tape regarding the ID issue. For me I'd feel violated when you keep on asking for my ID. There are loopholes that Safaricom must close and still make the process more seamless.
On Sat, Jul 21, 2018, 3:03 PM Joseph McDonald via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
In April i lost 123k to these fraudsters.It is very simple to make preventive measures make availability of mpesa after sim swap to be 24-48 hours.Then make activation process be similar to a new line where the person has to go personally with ID.But if someone has access immediately then many more are going to lose money.Maybe we need a class action against safaricom for being vicariously liable.I should give omtata a shout ....by the way
On Tue, 17 Jul 2018, 09:53 Michael Bullut via kictanet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Greetings Team,
With the story doing rounds on social media, has Safaricom issued a statement on the same? Anyone from Safaricom on the list care to comment?
Warm regards,
Michael Bullut.
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Yes, it appears to be very well orchestrated. Safaricom needs to work closely with law enforcement and the technical community to ensure that these loopholes are closed or we will continue to hear such cases. On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Joseph McDonald via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
There are legitimate career sim swappers?
On Sat, 21 Jul 2018, 15:47 Kimani Nyoike via kictanet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
No. This one will curtail the rights of legitimate sim swappers. And sometimes things happen that you have to swap your sim and use MPesa immediately. Then again, there's no need for another red tape regarding the ID issue. For me I'd feel violated when you keep on asking for my ID. There are loopholes that Safaricom must close and still make the process more seamless.
On Sat, Jul 21, 2018, 3:03 PM Joseph McDonald via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
In April i lost 123k to these fraudsters.It is very simple to make preventive measures make availability of mpesa after sim swap to be 24-48 hours.Then make activation process be similar to a new line where the person has to go personally with ID.But if someone has access immediately then many more are going to lose money.Maybe we need a class action against safaricom for being vicariously liable.I should give omtata a shout ....by the way
On Tue, 17 Jul 2018, 09:53 Michael Bullut via kictanet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Greetings Team,
With the story doing rounds on social media, has Safaricom issued a statement on the same? Anyone from Safaricom on the list care to comment?
Warm regards,
Michael Bullut.
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In reference to McDonanld's query, What is a SIM swap? When I visit my local dealer to get a new SIM with my old number or upgrade to a 4G SIM, is that a swap? 2018-07-22 22:22 GMT+03:00 WANGARI KABIRU via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>:
CNET (@CNET) tweeted at 1:00 AM on Thu, May 10, 2018: Google Duplex worries @BridgetCarey... Here's why 👇 https://t.co/EiTyAlIuaG (https://twitter.com/CNET/status/994336208359600129?s=03)
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by Bridget Carey <https://www.cnet.com/profiles/bridgetcarey/> / May 9, 2018 / <https://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=BridgetCarey>@BridgetCarey <https://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=BridgetCarey>
When Google's Duplex Assistant makes phone calls, the humans on the other end can't tell they're talking to a robot. That's troubling.
It seems the Sim swaps is small fish to fry.
Soon there is no distinction between colleagues voices with the trusted telephone.
As individuals embrace personal bots and it's easy programming at home, for good and otherwise, the digital astute security forces will certainly be kept busy.
As technologies develop, there is increasing need for education and tools to equip citizens to navigate. A business opportunity for ethical and human rights centric programmers.
Be blessed. Regards/Wangari
On Jul 21, 2018 16:37, Wairimu Macharia-Muturu via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Yes, it appears to be very well orchestrated. Safaricom needs to work closely with law enforcement and the technical community to ensure that these loopholes are closed or we will continue to hear such cases.
On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Joseph McDonald via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
There are legitimate career sim swappers?
On Sat, 21 Jul 2018, 15:47 Kimani Nyoike via kictanet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
No. This one will curtail the rights of legitimate sim swappers. And sometimes things happen that you have to swap your sim and use MPesa immediately. Then again, there's no need for another red tape regarding the ID issue. For me I'd feel violated when you keep on asking for my ID. There are loopholes that Safaricom must close and still make the process more seamless.
On Sat, Jul 21, 2018, 3:03 PM Joseph McDonald via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
In April i lost 123k to these fraudsters.It is very simple to make preventive measures make availability of mpesa after sim swap to be 24-48 hours.Then make activation process be similar to a new line where the person has to go personally with ID.But if someone has access immediately then many more are going to lose money.Maybe we need a class action against safaricom for being vicariously liable.I should give omtata a shout ....by the way
On Tue, 17 Jul 2018, 09:53 Michael Bullut via kictanet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Greetings Team,
With the story doing rounds on social media, has Safaricom issued a statement on the same? Anyone from Safaricom on the list care to comment?
Warm regards,
Michael Bullut.
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Yes Grace. A SIM swap is any incident that will necessitate you to get a new SIM. Upgrade of SIM (from micro to nano, from 3G to 4G), lost SIM, defaced SIM .... name them On Mon, Jul 23, 2018, 12:13 PM Grace Bomu via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
In reference to McDonanld's query, What is a SIM swap? When I visit my local dealer to get a new SIM with my old number or upgrade to a 4G SIM, is that a swap?
2018-07-22 22:22 GMT+03:00 WANGARI KABIRU via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>:
CNET (@CNET) tweeted at 1:00 AM on Thu, May 10, 2018: Google Duplex worries @BridgetCarey... Here's why 👇 https://t.co/EiTyAlIuaG (https://twitter.com/CNET/status/994336208359600129?s=03)
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by Bridget Carey <https://www.cnet.com/profiles/bridgetcarey/> / May 9, 2018 / <https://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=BridgetCarey>@BridgetCarey <https://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=BridgetCarey>
When Google's Duplex Assistant makes phone calls, the humans on the other end can't tell they're talking to a robot. That's troubling.
It seems the Sim swaps is small fish to fry.
Soon there is no distinction between colleagues voices with the trusted telephone.
As individuals embrace personal bots and it's easy programming at home, for good and otherwise, the digital astute security forces will certainly be kept busy.
As technologies develop, there is increasing need for education and tools to equip citizens to navigate. A business opportunity for ethical and human rights centric programmers.
Be blessed. Regards/Wangari
On Jul 21, 2018 16:37, Wairimu Macharia-Muturu via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Yes, it appears to be very well orchestrated. Safaricom needs to work closely with law enforcement and the technical community to ensure that these loopholes are closed or we will continue to hear such cases.
On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Joseph McDonald via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
There are legitimate career sim swappers?
On Sat, 21 Jul 2018, 15:47 Kimani Nyoike via kictanet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
No. This one will curtail the rights of legitimate sim swappers. And sometimes things happen that you have to swap your sim and use MPesa immediately. Then again, there's no need for another red tape regarding the ID issue. For me I'd feel violated when you keep on asking for my ID. There are loopholes that Safaricom must close and still make the process more seamless.
On Sat, Jul 21, 2018, 3:03 PM Joseph McDonald via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
In April i lost 123k to these fraudsters.It is very simple to make preventive measures make availability of mpesa after sim swap to be 24-48 hours.Then make activation process be similar to a new line where the person has to go personally with ID.But if someone has access immediately then many more are going to lose money.Maybe we need a class action against safaricom for being vicariously liable.I should give omtata a shout ....by the way
On Tue, 17 Jul 2018, 09:53 Michael Bullut via kictanet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Greetings Team,
With the story doing rounds on social media, has Safaricom issued a statement on the same? Anyone from Safaricom on the list care to comment?
Warm regards,
Michael Bullut.
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WANGARI KABIRU