Liko, others, Might you be in the know on the above issues? Just got wind that that international players are no longer respecting e-Transactions completed in kenya via Credit Cards issued and used in Kenyan digital space? What may have triggered such an eventuality? walu.
Just bought a book Yesterday from amazon,and they had no issue. But I gather that international companies don't value the African market so much since the sales revenue are too low, yet risk of business through fraud is high. Credit card fraud is rampant in Africa and it's hard to apprehend the suspects. The legal and geographic boundaries make it hard to apprehend crooks. Ideally, If anybody lays hands on your CC or debit card, they can do online shopping with it. And card cloning and identity theft is rampant in Africa because most of us don't know the consequences. If the owner complains of the theft and purchase, he is entitled to a cash refund. So someone has to cushion the losses. Often we let petrol station and supermarket attendants dissapear with out CC. Do we know what they are doing with it? Regards On 7 February 2012 13:26, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Liko, others,
Might you be in the know on the above issues? Just got wind that that international players are no longer respecting e-Transactions completed in kenya via Credit Cards issued and used in Kenyan digital space?
What may have triggered such an eventuality?
walu.
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There is talk now of introducing locally, owner authentification through mobile so that if your card is swiped or used, before the transaction goes through, you get an SMS asking you to authorize the transaction. Not sure where the initiative is currently. JG On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:51 PM, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
Just bought a book Yesterday from amazon,and they had no issue.
But I gather that international companies don't value the African market so much since the sales revenue are too low, yet risk of business through fraud is high. Credit card fraud is rampant in Africa and it's hard to apprehend the suspects. The legal and geographic boundaries make it hard to apprehend crooks.
Ideally, If anybody lays hands on your CC or debit card, they can do online shopping with it. And card cloning and identity theft is rampant in Africa because most of us don't know the consequences. If the owner complains of the theft and purchase, he is entitled to a cash refund. So someone has to cushion the losses.
Often we let petrol station and supermarket attendants dissapear with out CC. Do we know what they are doing with it?
Regards
On 7 February 2012 13:26, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Liko, others,
Might you be in the know on the above issues? Just got wind that that international players are no longer respecting e-Transactions completed in kenya via Credit Cards issued and used in Kenyan digital space?
What may have triggered such an eventuality?
walu.
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Hi, The local authentication has been active for over 2 years now, the SMS thing is what the USA is now trying to implement after seeing the success of Safaricom. I believe the issue of rejected transactions has to do with cards issued by certain banks. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2012, 15:06 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya Blacklisted?- Paypal, Credit Cards There is talk now of introducing locally, owner authentification through mobile so that if your card is swiped or used, before the transaction goes through, you get an SMS asking you to authorize the transaction. Not sure where the initiative is currently. JG On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:51 PM, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote: Just bought a book Yesterday from amazon,and they had no issue.
But I gather that international companies don't value the African market so much since the sales revenue are too low, yet risk of business through fraud is high. Credit card fraud is rampant in Africa and it's hard to apprehend the suspects. The legal and geographic boundaries make it hard to apprehend crooks.
Ideally, If anybody lays hands on your CC or debit card, they can do online shopping with it. And card cloning and identity theft is rampant in Africa because most of us don't know the consequences. If the owner complains of the theft and purchase, he is entitled to a cash refund. So someone has to cushion the losses.
Often we let petrol station and supermarket attendants dissapear with out CC. Do we know what they are doing with it?
Regards
On 7 February 2012 13:26, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Liko, others,
Might you be in the know on the above issues? Just got wind that that international players are no longer respecting e-Transactions completed in kenya via Credit Cards issued and used in Kenyan digital space?
What may have triggered such an eventuality?
walu.
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On a related note here's an email I received late last year from Borderlinx, which provides local addresses in USA & UK for those who are buying products from companies that don't ship internationally. I never experienced any cases of fraud so I was quite surprised that it had reached a level whereby they ceased offering their service to Kenya. You are receiving this email because you subscribed via Borderlinx. If you can't read this mail please click here<http://kdp.neolane.net/r/?id=h61d9557e,31e0f0eb,31e8f6be&p1=ced7cd1a6074fc4a1e> [image: Borderlinx]<http://kdp.neolane.net/r/?id=h61d9557e,31e0f0eb,31e8f6bf> *Cessation Of Cross-border Delivery Service To Kenya* Dear Anderson, After several months of investigation and attempting to reduce the incidence of fraud, we have found ourselves in the unfortunate position of having to cease providing cross-border delivery services to Kenya with immediate effect. We have considered a number of options to avoid this action, but the incidence and risk of fraud for Kenyan transactions is too great for our business to absorb. Regrettably, we will be closing the accounts of all Kenya customers. If you have any packages which are still in one of our export facilities, please give us your instructions to release the shipments no later than Friday, 16 December 2011. For those customers who have used our services for legal and honest purposes, we are truly sorry that we have been forced to take this difficult decision. If you have any questions, please contact our live chat service via the website. Yours sincerely The Borderlinx Team *Visit www.borderlinx.com* <http://kdp.neolane.net/r/?id=h61d9557e,31e0f0eb,31e8f6c0> If you do not wish to receive future e-mails from Borderlinx, please click here<http://kdp.neolane.net/r/?id=h61d9557e,31e0f0eb,31e8f6c1&p1=anderson.levi@gmail.com> Please do not reply to this e-mail, if you wish to contact us, click here<newsletter@borderlinx.com> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 3:19 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
The local authentication has been active for over 2 years now, the SMS thing is what the USA is now trying to implement after seeing the success of Safaricom.
I believe the issue of rejected transactions has to do with cards issued by certain banks.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Tuesday, 7 February 2012, 15:06 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kenya Blacklisted?- Paypal, Credit Cards
There is talk now of introducing locally, owner authentification through mobile so that if your card is swiped or used, before the transaction goes through, you get an SMS asking you to authorize the transaction.
Not sure where the initiative is currently.
JG
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:51 PM, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
Just bought a book Yesterday from amazon,and they had no issue.
But I gather that international companies don't value the African market so much since the sales revenue are too low, yet risk of business through fraud is high. Credit card fraud is rampant in Africa and it's hard to apprehend the suspects. The legal and geographic boundaries make it hard to apprehend crooks.
Ideally, If anybody lays hands on your CC or debit card, they can do online shopping with it. And card cloning and identity theft is rampant in Africa because most of us don't know the consequences. If the owner complains of the theft and purchase, he is entitled to a cash refund. So someone has to cushion the losses.
Often we let petrol station and supermarket attendants dissapear with out CC. Do we know what they are doing with it?
Regards
On 7 February 2012 13:26, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Liko, others,
Might you be in the know on the above issues? Just got wind that that international players are no longer respecting e-Transactions completed in kenya via Credit Cards issued and used in Kenyan digital space?
What may have triggered such an eventuality?
walu.
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Yeah, I do have a similar notice from www.isaca.org - Liko, these are serious Info-Security guys and I cant shoot them ;-) They have suspended online renewals from members of the local Kenyan Chapter www.isaca.or.ke (because the Kenyan digital space has recently been flagged as "Not Supported" by their ePayment provider) I believe the blacklisting is really grey-lisiting i.e. blacklisting by highly sensitive e_payment providers. But I think someone in government and private sector needs to escalate this before we get a blanket blacklisting from the international community. My wild guess(no evidence yet) is that maybe the war in somalia (is stimulating al-shabaab e-Transactions), piracy returns in the horn of africa and the hugely succefull MPESA e-Transactions could be regarded as being used by similar elements and therefore conspiring towards having us on the international watch-list as far as epayments is concerned. walu. --- On Tue, 2/7/12, Anderson Levi <anderson.levi@gmail.com> wrote: From: Anderson Levi <anderson.levi@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya Blacklisted?- Paypal, Credit Cards To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 3:55 PM On a related note here's an email I received late last year from Borderlinx, which provides local addresses in USA & UK for those who are buying products from companies that don't ship internationally. I never experienced any cases of fraud so I was quite surprised that it had reached a level whereby they ceased offering their service to Kenya. You are receiving this email because you subscribed via Borderlinx. If you can't read this mail please click here Cessation Of Cross-border Delivery Service To Kenya Dear Anderson, After several months of investigation and attempting to reduce the incidence of fraud, we have found ourselves in the unfortunate position of having to cease providing cross-border delivery services to Kenya with immediate effect. We have considered a number of options to avoid this action, but the incidence and risk of fraud for Kenyan transactions is too great for our business to absorb. Regrettably, we will be closing the accounts of all Kenya customers. If you have any packages which are still in one of our export facilities, please give us your instructions to release the shipments no later than Friday, 16 December 2011. For those customers who have used our services for legal and honest purposes, we are truly sorry that we have been forced to take this difficult decision. If you have any questions, please contact our live chat service via the website. Yours sincerely The Borderlinx Team Visit www.borderlinx.com If you do not wish to receive future e-mails from Borderlinx, please click here Please do not reply to this e-mail, if you wish to contact us, click here On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 3:19 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Hi, The local authentication has been active for over 2 years now, the SMS thing is what the USA is now trying to implement after seeing the success of Safaricom. I believe the issue of rejected transactions has to do with cards issued by certain banks. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 From: James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2012, 15:06 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya Blacklisted?- Paypal, Credit Cards There is talk now of introducing locally, owner authentification through mobile so that if your card is swiped or used, before the transaction goes through, you get an SMS asking you to authorize the transaction. Not sure where the initiative is currently. JG On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:51 PM, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote: Just bought a book Yesterday from amazon,and they had no issue. But I gather that international companies don't value the African market so much since the sales revenue are too low, yet risk of business through fraud is high. Credit card fraud is rampant in Africa and it's hard to apprehend the suspects. The legal and geographic boundaries make it hard to apprehend crooks. Ideally, If anybody lays hands on your CC or debit card, they can do online shopping with it. And card cloning and identity theft is rampant in Africa because most of us don't know the consequences. If the owner complains of the theft and purchase, he is entitled to a cash refund. So someone has to cushion the losses. Often we let petrol station and supermarket attendants dissapear with out CC. Do we know what they are doing with it? Regards On 7 February 2012 13:26, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: Liko, others, Might you be in the know on the above issues? Just got wind that that international players are no longer respecting e-Transactions completed in kenya via Credit Cards issued and used in Kenyan digital space? What may have triggered such an eventuality? walu. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/lordmwesh%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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Walu Please check with Isaca for the reason. ePayment providers usually will make decisions to not cover some areas or clients ... This does not mean that Kenya has been blacklisted. I have made calls and all local processors are processing cards ok You can test out your card (Visa/Mastercard) here http://www.nairobimarathon.com/ - donate 500 to Seeing is Believing http://rupu.co.ke/ and buy one of those daily deals. They have killer discounts http://umba.co.ke/ --- has good quality household stuff Also, I would not mind an inbox of management at Isaca Kenya ... We can process for them payments :) Thanks On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Yeah,
I do have a similar notice from www.isaca.org - Liko, these are serious Info-Security guys and I cant shoot them ;-) They have suspended online renewals from members of the local Kenyan Chapter www.isaca.or.ke(because the Kenyan digital space has recently been flagged as "Not Supported" by their ePayment provider)
I believe the blacklisting is really grey-lisiting i.e. blacklisting by highly sensitive e_payment providers. But I think someone in government and private sector needs to escalate this before we get a blanket blacklisting from the international community.
My wild guess(no evidence yet) is that maybe the war in somalia (is stimulating al-shabaab e-Transactions), piracy returns in the horn of africa and the hugely succefull MPESA e-Transactions could be regarded as being used by similar elements and therefore conspiring towards having us on the international watch-list as far as epayments is concerned.
walu.
--- On *Tue, 2/7/12, Anderson Levi <anderson.levi@gmail.com>* wrote:
From: Anderson Levi <anderson.levi@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya Blacklisted?- Paypal, Credit Cards To: jwalu@yahoo.com
Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 3:55 PM
On a related note here's an email I received late last year from Borderlinx, which provides local addresses in USA & UK for those who are buying products from companies that don't ship internationally. I never experienced any cases of fraud so I was quite surprised that it had reached a level whereby they ceased offering their service to Kenya.
You are receiving this email because you subscribed via Borderlinx. If you can't read this mail please click here<http://kdp.neolane.net/r/?id=h61d9557e,31e0f0eb,31e8f6be&p1=ced7cd1a6074fc4a1e> [image: Borderlinx]<http://kdp.neolane.net/r/?id=h61d9557e,31e0f0eb,31e8f6bf> *Cessation Of Cross-border Delivery Service To Kenya* Dear Anderson,
After several months of investigation and attempting to reduce the incidence of fraud, we have found ourselves in the unfortunate position of having to cease providing cross-border delivery services to Kenya with immediate effect. We have considered a number of options to avoid this action, but the incidence and risk of fraud for Kenyan transactions is too great for our business to absorb.
Regrettably, we will be closing the accounts of all Kenya customers. If you have any packages which are still in one of our export facilities, please give us your instructions to release the shipments no later than Friday, 16 December 2011.
For those customers who have used our services for legal and honest purposes, we are truly sorry that we have been forced to take this difficult decision. If you have any questions, please contact our live chat service via the website.
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On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 3:19 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
Hi,
The local authentication has been active for over 2 years now, the SMS thing is what the USA is now trying to implement after seeing the success of Safaricom.
I believe the issue of rejected transactions has to do with cards issued by certain banks.
Regards
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*To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>>
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There is talk now of introducing locally, owner authentification through mobile so that if your card is swiped or used, before the transaction goes through, you get an SMS asking you to authorize the transaction.
Not sure where the initiative is currently.
JG
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:51 PM, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=lordmwesh@gmail.com>
wrote:
Just bought a book Yesterday from amazon,and they had no issue.
But I gather that international companies don't value the African market so much since the sales revenue are too low, yet risk of business through fraud is high. Credit card fraud is rampant in Africa and it's hard to apprehend the suspects. The legal and geographic boundaries make it hard to apprehend crooks.
Ideally, If anybody lays hands on your CC or debit card, they can do online shopping with it. And card cloning and identity theft is rampant in Africa because most of us don't know the consequences. If the owner complains of the theft and purchase, he is entitled to a cash refund. So someone has to cushion the losses.
Often we let petrol station and supermarket attendants dissapear with out CC. Do we know what they are doing with it?
Regards
On 7 February 2012 13:26, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Liko, others,
Might you be in the know on the above issues? Just got wind that that international players are no longer respecting e-Transactions completed in kenya via Credit Cards issued and used in Kenyan digital space?
What may have triggered such an eventuality?
walu.
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Liko/Listers, Just recieved some authoritative position on the above. Yes, we are not (yet) blacklisted. We are however, grey-listed, meaning some payment solution providers will not touch our digital space. In this instance, PayPal is one such solution provider. Am informed Paypal's operations in the Kenyan space has been limited to only "recieve-money" from Kenya but never "pay-out money" to Kenya. From their recent financial risk-profile review, they have downgraded Kenya nd now stopped BOTH recieve and pay operations. Ofcourse other payment solution providers continue operations - however, this is not a good sign. It is similar to those travel-advisories. If you get one against you from US, sooner rather than later, you will recieve another one from UK and subsequently EU...(you get the drift) So Liko and other eCommerce operators, plse dont wait untill everyone has flagged down Kenya before you do something about it. walu. btw: my earlier speculations on the reasons behind this turn of events seems to be quite close to the mark. --- On Wed, 2/8/12, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote: From: Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya Blacklisted?- Paypal, Credit Cards To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, February 8, 2012, 11:58 AM Walu Please check with Isaca for the reason. ePayment providers usually will make decisions to not cover some areas or clients ... This does not mean that Kenya has been blacklisted. I have made calls and all local processors are processing cards ok You can test out your card (Visa/Mastercard) here http://www.nairobimarathon.com/ - donate 500 to Seeing is Believing http://rupu.co.ke/ and buy one of those daily deals. They have killer discounts http://umba.co.ke/ --- has good quality household stuff Also, I would not mind an inbox of management at Isaca Kenya ... We can process for them payments :) Thanks On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: Yeah, I do have a similar notice from www.isaca.org - Liko, these are serious Info-Security guys and I cant shoot them ;-) They have suspended online renewals from members of the local Kenyan Chapter www.isaca.or.ke (because the Kenyan digital space has recently been flagged as "Not Supported" by their ePayment provider) I believe the blacklisting is really grey-lisiting i.e. blacklisting by highly sensitive e_payment providers. But I think someone in government and private sector needs to escalate this before we get a blanket blacklisting from the international community. My wild guess(no evidence yet) is that maybe the war in somalia (is stimulating al-shabaab e-Transactions), piracy returns in the horn of africa and the hugely succefull MPESA e-Transactions could be regarded as being used by similar elements and therefore conspiring towards having us on the international watch-list as far as epayments is concerned. walu. --- On Tue, 2/7/12, Anderson Levi <anderson.levi@gmail.com> wrote: From: Anderson Levi <anderson.levi@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya Blacklisted?- Paypal, Credit Cards To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 3:55 PM On a related note here's an email I received late last year from Borderlinx, which provides local addresses in USA & UK for those who are buying products from companies that don't ship internationally. I never experienced any cases of fraud so I was quite surprised that it had reached a level whereby they ceased offering their service to Kenya. You are receiving this email because you subscribed via Borderlinx. If you can't read this mail please click here Cessation Of Cross-border Delivery Service To Kenya Dear Anderson, After several months of investigation and attempting to reduce the incidence of fraud, we have found ourselves in the unfortunate position of having to cease providing cross-border delivery services to Kenya with immediate effect. We have considered a number of options to avoid this action, but the incidence and risk of fraud for Kenyan transactions is too great for our business to absorb. Regrettably, we will be closing the accounts of all Kenya customers. If you have any packages which are still in one of our export facilities, please give us your instructions to release the shipments no later than Friday, 16 December 2011. For those customers who have used our services for legal and honest purposes, we are truly sorry that we have been forced to take this difficult decision. If you have any questions, please contact our live chat service via the website. Yours sincerely The Borderlinx Team Visit www.borderlinx.com If you do not wish to receive future e-mails from Borderlinx, please click here Please do not reply to this e-mail, if you wish to contact us, click here On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 3:19 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Hi, The local authentication has been active for over 2 years now, the SMS thing is what the USA is now trying to implement after seeing the success of Safaricom. I believe the issue of rejected transactions has to do with cards issued by certain banks. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 From: James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2012, 15:06 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya Blacklisted?- Paypal, Credit Cards There is talk now of introducing locally, owner authentification through mobile so that if your card is swiped or used, before the transaction goes through, you get an SMS asking you to authorize the transaction. Not sure where the initiative is currently. JG On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:51 PM, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote: Just bought a book Yesterday from amazon,and they had no issue. But I gather that international companies don't value the African market so much since the sales revenue are too low, yet risk of business through fraud is high. Credit card fraud is rampant in Africa and it's hard to apprehend the suspects. The legal and geographic boundaries make it hard to apprehend crooks. Ideally, If anybody lays hands on your CC or debit card, they can do online shopping with it. And card cloning and identity theft is rampant in Africa because most of us don't know the consequences. If the owner complains of the theft and purchase, he is entitled to a cash refund. So someone has to cushion the losses. Often we let petrol station and supermarket attendants dissapear with out CC. Do we know what they are doing with it? Regards On 7 February 2012 13:26, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: Liko, others, Might you be in the know on the above issues? Just got wind that that international players are no longer respecting e-Transactions completed in kenya via Credit Cards issued and used in Kenyan digital space? 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Speaking purely from a selfish point of view, these kind of "grey-listings" and "black-listings" are a modern form of economic sabotage and as such ought to be treated with a certain level of gravity by the "victim" government. By now the diplomats representing countries from which some of these companies operate should have been contacted and told to get the mechanisms back home rolling to ensure that Kenya's "perception" isn't adversely affected - and have these kinds of measures reversed. And don't get me wrong, they are definitely aware and closely watching what goes on in our digital space. I remember getting a call from the US Department of Commerce and shortly thereafter contact from their embassy here when KIXP got shut down back in 2000 and we had to fight to get it back up again. From memory I can count 3 foreign missions that intervened to assist us as TESPOK in the effort to lobby the then govt, CCK et al in order to reinstate the exchange point. So we need to take these kind of actions sternly and exercise a full slew of formal, informal, official and unofficial measures to "protect" our digital space. Best regards, Brian On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Liko/Listers,
Just recieved some authoritative position on the above. Yes, we are not (yet) blacklisted. We are however, grey-listed, meaning some payment solution providers will not touch our digital space. In this instance, PayPal is one such solution provider. Am informed Paypal's operations in the Kenyan space has been limited to only "recieve-money" from Kenya but never "pay-out money" to Kenya. From their recent financial risk-profile review, they have downgraded Kenya nd now stopped BOTH recieve and pay operations.
Ofcourse other payment solution providers continue operations - however, this is not a good sign. It is similar to those travel-advisories. If you get one against you from US, sooner rather than later, you will recieve another one from UK and subsequently EU...(you get the drift)
So Liko and other eCommerce operators, plse dont wait untill everyone has flagged down Kenya before you do something about it.
walu. btw: my earlier speculations on the reasons behind this turn of events seems to be quite close to the mark. --- On *Wed, 2/8/12, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com>* wrote:
From: Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya Blacklisted?- Paypal, Credit Cards To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, February 8, 2012, 11:58 AM
Walu
Please check with Isaca for the reason. ePayment providers usually will make decisions to not cover some areas or clients ... This does not mean that Kenya has been blacklisted.
I have made calls and all local processors are processing cards ok
You can test out your card (Visa/Mastercard) here
http://www.nairobimarathon.com/ - donate 500 to Seeing is Believing http://rupu.co.ke/ and buy one of those daily deals. They have killer discounts http://umba.co.ke/ --- has good quality household stuff
Also, I would not mind an inbox of management at Isaca Kenya ... We can process for them payments :)
Thanks
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Yeah,
I do have a similar notice from www.isaca.org - Liko, these are serious Info-Security guys and I cant shoot them ;-) They have suspended online renewals from members of the local Kenyan Chapter www.isaca.or.ke(because the Kenyan digital space has recently been flagged as "Not Supported" by their ePayment provider)
I believe the blacklisting is really grey-lisiting i.e. blacklisting by highly sensitive e_payment providers. But I think someone in government and private sector needs to escalate this before we get a blanket blacklisting from the international community.
My wild guess(no evidence yet) is that maybe the war in somalia (is stimulating al-shabaab e-Transactions), piracy returns in the horn of africa and the hugely succefull MPESA e-Transactions could be regarded as being used by similar elements and therefore conspiring towards having us on the international watch-list as far as epayments is concerned.
walu.
--- On *Tue, 2/7/12, Anderson Levi <anderson.levi@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=anderson.levi@gmail.com>
* wrote:
From: Anderson Levi <anderson.levi@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=anderson.levi@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya Blacklisted?- Paypal, Credit Cards To: jwalu@yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com>
Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Date: Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 3:55 PM
On a related note here's an email I received late last year from Borderlinx, which provides local addresses in USA & UK for those who are buying products from companies that don't ship internationally. I never experienced any cases of fraud so I was quite surprised that it had reached a level whereby they ceased offering their service to Kenya.
You are receiving this email because you subscribed via Borderlinx. If you can't read this mail please click here<http://kdp.neolane.net/r/?id=h61d9557e,31e0f0eb,31e8f6be&p1=ced7cd1a6074fc4a1e> [image: Borderlinx]<http://kdp.neolane.net/r/?id=h61d9557e,31e0f0eb,31e8f6bf> *Cessation Of Cross-border Delivery Service To Kenya* Dear Anderson,
After several months of investigation and attempting to reduce the incidence of fraud, we have found ourselves in the unfortunate position of having to cease providing cross-border delivery services to Kenya with immediate effect. We have considered a number of options to avoid this action, but the incidence and risk of fraud for Kenyan transactions is too great for our business to absorb.
Regrettably, we will be closing the accounts of all Kenya customers. If you have any packages which are still in one of our export facilities, please give us your instructions to release the shipments no later than Friday, 16 December 2011.
For those customers who have used our services for legal and honest purposes, we are truly sorry that we have been forced to take this difficult decision. If you have any questions, please contact our live chat service via the website.
Yours sincerely The Borderlinx Team
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On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 3:19 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
Hi,
The local authentication has been active for over 2 years now, the SMS thing is what the USA is now trying to implement after seeing the success of Safaricom.
I believe the issue of rejected transactions has to do with cards issued by certain banks.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=jgmbugua@gmail.com>
*To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>>
*Sent:* Tuesday, 7 February 2012, 15:06 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kenya Blacklisted?- Paypal, Credit Cards
There is talk now of introducing locally, owner authentification through mobile so that if your card is swiped or used, before the transaction goes through, you get an SMS asking you to authorize the transaction.
Not sure where the initiative is currently.
JG
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:51 PM, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=lordmwesh@gmail.com>
wrote:
Just bought a book Yesterday from amazon,and they had no issue.
But I gather that international companies don't value the African market so much since the sales revenue are too low, yet risk of business through fraud is high. Credit card fraud is rampant in Africa and it's hard to apprehend the suspects. The legal and geographic boundaries make it hard to apprehend crooks.
Ideally, If anybody lays hands on your CC or debit card, they can do online shopping with it. And card cloning and identity theft is rampant in Africa because most of us don't know the consequences. If the owner complains of the theft and purchase, he is entitled to a cash refund. So someone has to cushion the losses.
Often we let petrol station and supermarket attendants dissapear with out CC. Do we know what they are doing with it?
Regards
On 7 February 2012 13:26, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Liko, others,
Might you be in the know on the above issues? Just got wind that that international players are no longer respecting e-Transactions completed in kenya via Credit Cards issued and used in Kenyan digital space?
What may have triggered such an eventuality?
walu.
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Dear Listers, These issues will be discussed extensively, including in a Panel Discussion on Online & Card Transactions, at this year's AITEC Banking & Mobile Money Conference at KICC over 7-8 March. The programme is attached. Thanks to the support of our sponsors, we are able to offer some free delegate spaces to non-profit, NGO, and SME organisations. Please email me if you would like to reserve one of these delegate spaces. Yours sincerely, Sean Moroney AITEC Africa . There is talk now of introducing locally, owner authentification through mobile so that if your card is swiped or used, before the transaction goes through, you get an SMS asking you to authorize the transaction. Not sure where the initiative is currently. JG On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:51 PM, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com<mailto:lordmwesh@gmail.com>> wrote: Just bought a book Yesterday from amazon,and they had no issue. But I gather that international companies don't value the African market so much since the sales revenue are too low, yet risk of business through fraud is high. Credit card fraud is rampant in Africa and it's hard to apprehend the suspects. The legal and geographic boundaries make it hard to apprehend crooks. Ideally, If anybody lays hands on your CC or debit card, they can do online shopping with it. And card cloning and identity theft is rampant in Africa because most of us don't know the consequences. If the owner complains of the theft and purchase, he is entitled to a cash refund. So someone has to cushion the losses. Often we let petrol station and supermarket attendants dissapear with out CC. Do we know what they are doing with it? Regards On 7 February 2012 13:26, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com<mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com>> wrote: Liko, others, Might you be in the know on the above issues? Just got wind that that international players are no longer respecting e-Transactions completed in kenya via Credit Cards issued and used in Kenyan digital space? What may have triggered such an eventuality? walu. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/lordmwesh%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva For Business Development Transworld Computer Channels Cel: 0722402248 twitter.com/lordmwesh<http://twitter.com/lordmwesh> transworldAfrica.com | Fluent in computing kenya.or.ke<http://kenya.or.ke> | The Kenya we know _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jgmbugua%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Dear Walu shoot your source :) or you can go to https://www.pesapal.com/billpayments and pay a bill .. I have inboxed my Zuku client code :) On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Liko, others,
Might you be in the know on the above issues? Just got wind that that international players are no longer respecting e-Transactions completed in kenya via Credit Cards issued and used in Kenyan digital space?
What may have triggered such an eventuality?
walu.
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participants (8)
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Agosta Liko -
Anderson Levi -
Brian Munyao Longwe -
James Mbugua -
lordmwesh -
robert yawe -
Sean Moroney -
Walubengo J