Mocality closing down?
Hi, Can someone confirm if this is true and also what might be the reason. Hello Unfortunately all good things must come to an end, and Mocality, including Mocality Deals, is one of them. We hereby give you notice that Mocality will cease to render its services on the 28th February 2013. Of course, the fact that our site and related services is shutting down does not affect any coupons you may have purchased via our site. Coupons remain valid until they either expire or are redeemed in full by you at the relevant merchant. However, please log into the system between now and the 28th to retrieve any coupons or information that you may need as Mocality Deals will not be available after the 28th February 2013. If you are due a refund for any reason, you will be contacted individually to facilitate that refund. We would like to thank you for your patronage and your support, and bid you a fond farewell. If you require any more information please email support@mocality.co.ke Regards Team Mocality. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
Someone has already posted the blog on the Skunkworks Tech forum. No reasons given on the blog though.. http://blog.mocality.co.ke/2013/02/15/closure-of-mocality-on-28th-february-2013/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MocalityBlog+(Mocality+Blog)
cash crunch. apparently it wasn't making 'any money'. More likely though that they could'nt break even.
Online advertising doesn't yet generate enough to maintain most business overheads. Sadly. Sent from my iPhone On 15 Feb 2013, at 16:51, Peter Wakaba <peterwakaba@gmail.com> wrote:
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Phares, It is not that online advertising does not generate enough revenue but that the organisations have the wrong expense model for the corresponding revenue. I am aware of a number of businesses that make enough revenue from online advertising to meet their overheads. If someone earns 10,000/- and then they develop expenses of 30,000/- is their inability to meet their expenses a result of the low pay or are they just plain living beyond their means? Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 18:55 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Mocality closing down? Online advertising doesn't yet generate enough to maintain most business overheads. Sadly. Sent from my iPhone On 15 Feb 2013, at 16:51, Peter Wakaba <peterwakaba@gmail.com> wrote:
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And just to fire some shots, why are all companies that Moses Kemibaro joins end up folding up? Is he some sort of hitman? On Friday, 15 February 2013, robert yawe wrote:
Phares,
It is not that online advertising does not generate enough revenue but that the organisations have the wrong expense model for the corresponding revenue. I am aware of a number of businesses that make enough revenue from online advertising to meet their overheads.
If someone earns 10,000/- and then they develop expenses of 30,000/- is their inability to meet their expenses a result of the low pay or are they just plain living beyond their means?
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'pkariuki@gmail.com');>> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk');> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke');>>
*Sent:* Friday, 15 February 2013, 18:55 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Mocality closing down?
Online advertising doesn't yet generate enough to maintain most business overheads. Sadly.
Sent from my iPhone
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On 15/02/2013, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
And just to fire some shots, why are all companies that Moses Kemibaro joins end up folding up? Is he some sort of hitman?
He could be. And is olx based on the same principle as Mocality?
On Friday, 15 February 2013, robert yawe wrote:
Phares,
It is not that online advertising does not generate enough revenue but that the organisations have the wrong expense model for the corresponding revenue. I am aware of a number of businesses that make enough revenue from online advertising to meet their overheads.
If someone earns 10,000/- and then they develop expenses of 30,000/- is their inability to meet their expenses a result of the low pay or are they just plain living beyond their means?
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'pkariuki@gmail.com');>> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk');> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke');>>
*Sent:* Friday, 15 February 2013, 18:55 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Mocality closing down?
Online advertising doesn't yet generate enough to maintain most business overheads. Sadly.
Sent from my iPhone
On 15 Feb 2013, at 16:51, Peter Wakaba <peterwakaba@gmail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'peterwakaba@gmail.com');>> wrote:
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OLX is a classified business more like Dealfish and probably why they acquired Dealfish's operations on the continent. Mark, Moses Kemibaro's Dotsavvy is still running, inMobi downsized its physical presence in Africa a market that's still not quite mature for its business model, OLX acquired Dealfish and continues to run the operations, Ali Hussein is now running 3Mice Interactive...which company would you say Moses joined and which folded? Kind regards, Muchiri Nyaggah | LEAD FELLOW, CODE4KENYA @muchiri Cell: +254 722 506400 Skype: mrmuchiri WWW.CODE4KENYA.ORG On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 10:41 PM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
On 15/02/2013, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
And just to fire some shots, why are all companies that Moses Kemibaro joins end up folding up? Is he some sort of hitman?
He could be.
And is olx based on the same principle as Mocality?
On Friday, 15 February 2013, robert yawe wrote:
Phares,
It is not that online advertising does not generate enough revenue but that the organisations have the wrong expense model for the
revenue. I am aware of a number of businesses that make enough revenue from online advertising to meet their overheads.
If someone earns 10,000/- and then they develop expenses of 30,000/- is their inability to meet their expenses a result of the low pay or are they just plain living beyond their means?
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'pkariuki@gmail.com');>> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk');> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke');>>
*Sent:* Friday, 15 February 2013, 18:55 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Mocality closing down?
Online advertising doesn't yet generate enough to maintain most business overheads. Sadly.
Sent from my iPhone
On 15 Feb 2013, at 16:51, Peter Wakaba <peterwakaba@gmail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'peterwakaba@gmail.com');>> wrote:
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This is not a fair comment,surely. Regards, Gilda Odera On Feb 15, 2013, at 9:19 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
And just to fire some shots, why are all companies that Moses Kemibaro joins end up folding up? Is he some sort of hitman?
On Friday, 15 February 2013, robert yawe wrote: Phares,
It is not that online advertising does not generate enough revenue but that the organisations have the wrong expense model for the corresponding revenue. I am aware of a number of businesses that make enough revenue from online advertising to meet their overheads.
If someone earns 10,000/- and then they develop expenses of 30,000/- is their inability to meet their expenses a result of the low pay or are they just plain living beyond their means?
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 From: Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 18:55 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Mocality closing down?
Online advertising doesn't yet generate enough to maintain most business overheads. Sadly.
Sent from my iPhone
On 15 Feb 2013, at 16:51, Peter Wakaba <peterwakaba@gmail.com> wrote:
cash crunch. apparently it wasn't making 'any money'. More likely though that they could'nt break even. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
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I take back My words. Not very researched I will admit. Relied on my scratchy memory that has associated Moses with joining companies that later pull out of the market in this case inMobi, and Dealfish. May have extrapolated a trend that did not exist. On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> wrote:
This is not a fair comment,surely.
Regards,
Gilda Odera
On Feb 15, 2013, at 9:19 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
And just to fire some shots, why are all companies that Moses Kemibaro joins end up folding up? Is he some sort of hitman?
On Friday, 15 February 2013, robert yawe wrote:
Phares,
It is not that online advertising does not generate enough revenue but that the organisations have the wrong expense model for the corresponding revenue. I am aware of a number of businesses that make enough revenue from online advertising to meet their overheads.
If someone earns 10,000/- and then they develop expenses of 30,000/- is their inability to meet their expenses a result of the low pay or are they just plain living beyond their means?
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Friday, 15 February 2013, 18:55 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Mocality closing down?
Online advertising doesn't yet generate enough to maintain most business overheads. Sadly.
Sent from my iPhone
On 15 Feb 2013, at 16:51, Peter Wakaba <peterwakaba@gmail.com> wrote:
cash crunch. apparently it wasn't making 'any money'. More likely though that they could'nt break even. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
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Mark, great of you to take back your words.Only great persons are able to do so. Regards, Gilda Odera On Feb 16, 2013, at 12:02 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I take back My words. Not very researched I will admit. Relied on my scratchy memory that has associated Moses with joining companies that later pull out of the market in this case inMobi, and Dealfish. May have extrapolated a trend that did not exist.
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> wrote: This is not a fair comment,surely.
Regards,
Gilda Odera
On Feb 15, 2013, at 9:19 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
And just to fire some shots, why are all companies that Moses Kemibaro joins end up folding up? Is he some sort of hitman?
On Friday, 15 February 2013, robert yawe wrote: Phares,
It is not that online advertising does not generate enough revenue but that the organisations have the wrong expense model for the corresponding revenue. I am aware of a number of businesses that make enough revenue from online advertising to meet their overheads.
If someone earns 10,000/- and then they develop expenses of 30,000/- is their inability to meet their expenses a result of the low pay or are they just plain living beyond their means?
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 From: Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 18:55 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Mocality closing down?
Online advertising doesn't yet generate enough to maintain most business overheads. Sadly.
Sent from my iPhone
On 15 Feb 2013, at 16:51, Peter Wakaba <peterwakaba@gmail.com> wrote:
cash crunch. apparently it wasn't making 'any money'. More likely though that they could'nt break even. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
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It not unusual when a company fails. Indeed start-up mortality rate in Silicon Valley is highest. The questions we must ask are why did it happen? Could they do things differently? What do we learn from this? Any innovation like life will die. Death in enterprise is a certainty unless you understand Shumpeter's theory. In his thinking, he defined an entrepreneur differently and very close to what can be referred to a serial innovator. If you take IBM for example it has changed its core business several times in its 100 year history. When the US discovered a VCR, they did not think it can be a hot product since people liked to watch movies on a big screen. The Japanese had a different idea and one that changed how we watch movies. I have tried to understand why IMOBI closed its business yet their services are in great demand. Some of the answers I am getting include the fact that Africa's returns to investment were below that of developed countries and they wanted to focus where their bread and butter came from. Here again we have the opportunities to look at this from a different angle as Japanese did and succeed. Unfortunately, we may not look into doing a small paper on such failures and seek for new areas. We tend to agree with decisions of close down simply because we do not have the confidence to challenge them and do things differently. I am certain that if we do a bit of research on Mocality, we shall come with a new sustainable enterprise. We must begin to regenerate our enterprises otherwise we shall keep on finding ourselves in the dustbin all the time. We can be a technology leader if we always to try to understand our ecosystem and do things the way we understand them. The Western world dominates the rest of us simply because they investigate every happening even within our environment. Instead of condemning recent failures, let us understand why and what we can learn from that. This is what is referred to as a knowledge society. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 12:06:10 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Mocality closing down? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Daktari, I would like to humbly suggest that many of these international companies that encounter mixed fortunes and eventually end up folding do so mostly because they use the "parachute in, conquer, take no prisoners" approach towards market entry. Going straight into hiring sales people and pushing out to "close deals" as quickly as possible. What most of them should actually be doing is engage in business development activities which consist more of understanding the marketplace, establishing partnerships, setting realistic goals based on solid data and customising their products to match the local context (whatever that may be). Sorry guys, but Kenya is not a marketplace where "copy and paste" strategies work - look at the myriad of failed international ventures that have come here over the years... Additionally - majority of the new entrants that come in and look for personnel who have a track record of success. In such a young market as ours this kind of approach overlooks the fact that those people have not been tempered and refined by failure(s) and in many cases tend to overestimate and overstate their expectations ....not realizing that market entry is another form of startup enterprise which needs guts, thick skin, street smarts and plenty of experience. Brian On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 6:26 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
It not unusual when a company fails. Indeed start-up mortality rate in Silicon Valley is highest. The questions we must ask are why did it happen? Could they do things differently? What do we learn from this?
Any innovation like life will die. Death in enterprise is a certainty unless you understand Shumpeter's theory. In his thinking, he defined an entrepreneur differently and very close to what can be referred to a serial innovator. If you take IBM for example it has changed its core business several times in its 100 year history. When the US discovered a VCR, they did not think it can be a hot product since people liked to watch movies on a big screen. The Japanese had a different idea and one that changed how we watch movies.
I have tried to understand why IMOBI closed its business yet their services are in great demand. Some of the answers I am getting include the fact that Africa's returns to investment were below that of developed countries and they wanted to focus where their bread and butter came from. Here again we have the opportunities to look at this from a different angle as Japanese did and succeed.
Unfortunately, we may not look into doing a small paper on such failures and seek for new areas. We tend to agree with decisions of close down simply because we do not have the confidence to challenge them and do things differently. I am certain that if we do a bit of research on Mocality, we shall come with a new sustainable enterprise.
We must begin to regenerate our enterprises otherwise we shall keep on finding ourselves in the dustbin all the time. We can be a technology leader if we always to try to understand our ecosystem and do things the way we understand them. The Western world dominates the rest of us simply because they investigate every happening even within our environment.
Instead of condemning recent failures, let us understand why and what we can learn from that. This is what is referred to as a knowledge society.
Ndemo.
Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+bitange= jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 12:06:10 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Mocality closing down?
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Brian, Why not use local content to deepen viability of these enterprises? Why can't we buy them out and do the right thing? Can we develop a paper on this? Perhaps it may help SA firms to succeed in Kenya by getting into meaningful partnership. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 19:37:06 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Mocality closing down? Daktari, I would like to humbly suggest that many of these international companies that encounter mixed fortunes and eventually end up folding do so mostly because they use the "parachute in, conquer, take no prisoners" approach towards market entry. Going straight into hiring sales people and pushing out to "close deals" as quickly as possible. What most of them should actually be doing is engage in business development activities which consist more of understanding the marketplace, establishing partnerships, setting realistic goals based on solid data and customising their products to match the local context (whatever that may be). Sorry guys, but Kenya is not a marketplace where "copy and paste" strategies work - look at the myriad of failed international ventures that have come here over the years... Additionally - majority of the new entrants that come in and look for personnel who have a track record of success. In such a young market as ours this kind of approach overlooks the fact that those people have not been tempered and refined by failure(s) and in many cases tend to overestimate and overstate their expectations ....not realizing that market entry is another form of startup enterprise which needs guts, thick skin, street smarts and plenty of experience. Brian On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 6:26 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
It not unusual when a company fails. Indeed start-up mortality rate in Silicon Valley is highest. The questions we must ask are why did it happen? Could they do things differently? What do we learn from this?
Any innovation like life will die. Death in enterprise is a certainty unless you understand Shumpeter's theory. In his thinking, he defined an entrepreneur differently and very close to what can be referred to a serial innovator. If you take IBM for example it has changed its core business several times in its 100 year history. When the US discovered a VCR, they did not think it can be a hot product since people liked to watch movies on a big screen. The Japanese had a different idea and one that changed how we watch movies.
I have tried to understand why IMOBI closed its business yet their services are in great demand. Some of the answers I am getting include the fact that Africa's returns to investment were below that of developed countries and they wanted to focus where their bread and butter came from. Here again we have the opportunities to look at this from a different angle as Japanese did and succeed.
Unfortunately, we may not look into doing a small paper on such failures and seek for new areas. We tend to agree with decisions of close down simply because we do not have the confidence to challenge them and do things differently. I am certain that if we do a bit of research on Mocality, we shall come with a new sustainable enterprise.
We must begin to regenerate our enterprises otherwise we shall keep on finding ourselves in the dustbin all the time. We can be a technology leader if we always to try to understand our ecosystem and do things the way we understand them. The Western world dominates the rest of us simply because they investigate every happening even within our environment.
Instead of condemning recent failures, let us understand why and what we can learn from that. This is what is referred to as a knowledge society.
Ndemo.
Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+bitange= jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 12:06:10 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Mocality closing down?
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This is Daktari in his true element which begs the question could he have spent all this years in the wrong ministry? Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Sunday, 17 February 2013, 18:26 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Mocality closing down? It not unusual when a company fails. Indeed start-up mortality rate in Silicon Valley is highest. The questions we must ask are why did it happen? Could they do things differently? What do we learn from this? Any innovation like life will die. Death in enterprise is a certainty unless you understand Shumpeter's theory. In his thinking, he defined an entrepreneur differently and very close to what can be referred to a serial innovator. If you take IBM for example it has changed its core business several times in its 100 year history. When the US discovered a VCR, they did not think it can be a hot product since people liked to watch movies on a big screen. The Japanese had a different idea and one that changed how we watch movies. I have tried to understand why IMOBI closed its business yet their services are in great demand. Some of the answers I am getting include the fact that Africa's returns to investment were below that of developed countries and they wanted to focus where their bread and butter came from. Here again we have the opportunities to look at this from a different angle as Japanese did and succeed. Unfortunately, we may not look into doing a small paper on such failures and seek for new areas. We tend to agree with decisions of close down simply because we do not have the confidence to challenge them and do things differently. I am certain that if we do a bit of research on Mocality, we shall come with a new sustainable enterprise. We must begin to regenerate our enterprises otherwise we shall keep on finding ourselves in the dustbin all the time. We can be a technology leader if we always to try to understand our ecosystem and do things the way we understand them. The Western world dominates the rest of us simply because they investigate every happening even within our environment. Instead of condemning recent failures, let us understand why and what we can learn from that. This is what is referred to as a knowledge society. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 12:06:10 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Mocality closing down? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Gilda, please let Moses respond which is what Mark is expecting by throwing stones in the dark Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Saturday, 16 February 2013, 11:57 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Mocality closing down? This is not a fair comment,surely. Regards, Gilda Odera On Feb 15, 2013, at 9:19 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote: And just to fire some shots, why are all companies that Moses Kemibaro joins end up folding up? Is he some sort of hitman?
On Friday, 15 February 2013, robert yawe wrote:
Phares,
It is not that online advertising does not generate enough revenue but that the organisations have the wrong expense model for the corresponding revenue. I am aware of a number of businesses that make enough revenue from online advertising to meet their overheads.
If someone earns 10,000/- and then they develop expenses of 30,000/- is their inability to meet their expenses a result of the low pay or are they just plain living beyond their means?
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 18:55 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Mocality closing down?
Online advertising doesn't yet generate enough to maintain most business overheads. Sadly.
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On 15 Feb 2013, at 16:51, Peter Wakaba <peterwakaba@gmail.com> wrote:
cash crunch. apparently it wasn't making 'any money'. More
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participants (10)
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bitange＠jambo.co.ke -
Brian Munyao Longwe -
Gilda Odera -
Mark Mwangi -
Muchiri Nyaggah -
Peter Wakaba -
Phares Kariuki -
robert yawe -
Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau -
Tony Likhanga