Hi, Thanks for the information, we requested KDN to carry out a survey for the laying of a fibre node within the estate over 6 months ago, I was notified that this was done and what was remaining was a business case which it seems the responsible representative was unable to present to your management. I will go the extra distance and provide a solution for you to present to us, there are 42 houses and the estate has been fully ducted for low voltage services from the main gate all the way into the lounge. This would mean no overhead cabling or digging is required. The Izzy talk service would provide an ideal intercom system this we can have part of the installation cost covered from service charge. If you could then include 3 or 4 IP cameras that would allow us to view activities going on within the estate and the periphery then we can through in a bit more from the security kitty towards the monthly charge as it enhances security and piece of mind as the parents can monitor their kids remotely. Provide a blackbox to do content filtering and monitoring (the neighbours can visit those sites from the office), install a vlan that will give us an internal network so that the kids can connect their PS-2/3 and PCs and play network games and I can raid the kitchen budget for part of the monthly fee. With such a bundle you will be able to convert 100% of the households all 42 in a single location should justify your waiving the setup fee also because I have provided you with free consultancy and offered you a test site. Balls in your court. "Stop thinking out of the box, get out of the box" Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Joseph Njogu <joseph.njogu@kdn.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Eric Khamasi <eric.khamasi@kdn.co.ke>; kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Mon, 8 March, 2010 16:47:43 Subject: Re: [kictanet] 3G My foot Dear Mr. Yawe, Thak you for the info. Kindly see the attached on what we are offering. Best regards, Joseph Njogu, ----- Original Message -----
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Joseph,
Please deal with this client.
Eric
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Sell to him ----- Original Message ----- From:robert yawe To:kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Cc:KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Sent:Monday, March 08, 2010 8:29 AM Subject:> [kictanet] 3G My foot
Hi,
I had another horrible experience trying to work from home again this weekend after Safaricoms the 3G services was was unavailable in the South C and the edge service is literally the edge of the service I could not even refresh a yahoo mail page.
Just out of curiosity was don't the mobile companies outsource their network optimization business to the level of having providers invest in the equipment in exchange for a share of revenue from the traffic that they pass through.
As consumers we are charged based on utilisation so the mobile companies don't need to change their tariff structures to accommodate the booster and repeater providers. Hopefully after they have tested this model in the urban areas they can use the same model to better cover the rural areas.
On the other front is the excessive advertising spend my Telkom on the issue of wired services, when are they likely to make this available outside the CBD as their are no copper cables in the residential areas or does Orange think that all our Nyumbas are in the CBD?
Have a bandwidth available week
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi , 00200
Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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They say there is nothing like free lunch. How about free dinner? Last Sunday the CSK invited and received 70 confirmations from Kenya business community to come to free dinner and meet the iCANN Board and other ICANN international delegates. Come the day and 70 international delegates (including the full ICANN Board and Chair) make it to the Hilton for the function but only 10 Kenyans show up! Does it mean some people do not believe in "free dinner" or is there simpy something peculiar about Kenyans? Waudo
Well, I dont think any serious investor or stakeholder should be chasing free meals but something is amiss. The engagement of Kenyans (in all ICT sectors) compared to that of the visitors is like night and day. Its as though they are talking about foreign things or life in Mars that have nothing to do with Kenya. There must be good reasons why European, American, Asian and Australian businesspeople and their governments have hyper involvement while their Kenyan hosts are minding their shugulis...? regards, Wamuyu ________________________________ From: waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> To: wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, 9 March, 2010 14:04:23 Subject: [kictanet] Nothing like free dinner They say there is nothing like free lunch. How about free dinner? Last Sunday the CSK invited and received 70 confirmations from Kenya business community to come to free dinner and meet the iCANN Board and other ICANN international delegates. Come the day and 70 international delegates (including the full ICANN Board and Chair) make it to the Hilton for the function but only 10 Kenyans show up! Does it mean some people do not believe in "free dinner" or is there simpy something peculiar about Kenyans? Waudo
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Wamuyu Gatheru <wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
nothing to do with Kenya. There must be good reasons why European, American, Asian and Australian businesspeople and their governments have hyper involvement while their Kenyan hosts are minding their shugulis...?
Are we attending different meetings? I've been in a dozen meetings, and their have always been Kenyans in each one, many of them actively participating. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
Tim, please substantiate. Yesterday I was at the county code NSO meeting, than later at the commercial actors meeting and finally at the GAC/ICANN board meetings. No Kenyan spoke at the first two meetings (if they were present). Alice and Michael (CCK) made an important intervention on the distraction and unfairness to Kenya of the security hollabalu - but no one else was around to support them in defending Kenya. Note also that this was the meeting where the ICANN board was trying once more to conclude the EOI issue on generic TLDs - businesses from developed countries can barely wait for this decision to be made. Actually, I think the weak Kenyan engagement is genuine and not one that we should necessarily be defensive about. Am new to ICANN and if I had not made the decision to attend the meeting a little while ago, I would never have understood its agenda and whats at stake. Those who have been involved in ICANN longer may have points to contribute on increasing Kenya's involvement. regards, Wamuyu ________________________________ From: McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> To: Wamuyu Gatheru <wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, 9 March, 2010 23:30:56 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Nothing like free dinner On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Wamuyu Gatheru <wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
nothing to do with Kenya. There must be good reasons why European, American, Asian and Australian businesspeople and their governments have hyper involvement while their Kenyan hosts are minding their shugulis...?
Are we attending different meetings? I've been in a dozen meetings, and their have always been Kenyans in each one, many of them actively participating. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
Wamuyu, I want to believe you and Tim are both right about Kenyan involvement in the ICANN process. You could be right in that very few KENYAN voices are being heard and this could be because for most Kenyans this is their 1st ICANN Meeting - and one must learn their environment before engaging their mouths. However, Tim is also right in that the ICANN meeting has many parallel programs (away from the main hall) that are technical and very engaging. I have found many Kenyans enjoying their time in these other forums that are equally important but less visible (glamorous?) That said, it may be good that next time(maybe it was done), the core Kenyan team (KENIC, CCK, Gov?) would elicit Kenyan positions on various issues and strategically plant some Kenyans in the "crowd" to present those views when the ICANN board/councils open the floor for discussions. Methinks that that is what other countries, business communities and other stakeholders do. Like today I was shocked to hear a verbal submission from the guys who want to run something called the dot.gay domain...Needless to say I couldnt contribute because I was simply undergoing some cultural-shock just by staring at THIS guy and not hearing what he was saying (but that's a story for another day ;-) Yeah, looks like the internet is not just about wires and cables... walu. walu. --- On Wed, 3/10/10, Wamuyu Gatheru <wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: Wamuyu Gatheru <wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Nothing like free dinner To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 12:41 PM Tim, please substantiate. Yesterday I was at the county code NSO meeting, than later at the commercial actors meeting and finally at the GAC/ICANN board meetings. No Kenyan spoke at the first two meetings (if they were present). Alice and Michael (CCK) made an important intervention on the distraction and unfairness to Kenya of the security hollabalu - but no one else was around to support them in defending Kenya. Note also that this was the meeting where the ICANN board was trying once more to conclude the EOI issue on generic TLDs - businesses from developed countries can barely wait for this decision to be made. Actually, I think the weak Kenyan engagement is genuine and not one that we should necessarily be defensive about. Am new to ICANN and if I had not made the decision to attend the meeting a little while ago, I would never have understood its agenda and whats at stake. Those who have been involved in ICANN longer may have points to contribute on increasing Kenya's involvement. regards, Wamuyu From: McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> To: Wamuyu Gatheru <wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, 9 March, 2010 23:30:56 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Nothing like free dinner On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Wamuyu Gatheru <wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
nothing to do with Kenya. There must be good reasons why European, American, Asian and Australian businesspeople and their governments have hyper involvement while their Kenyan hosts are minding their shugulis...?
Are we attending different meetings? I've been in a dozen meetings, and their have always been Kenyans in each one, many of them actively participating. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: jwalu@yahoo.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com
Walu, You may be correct about this, but what Wamuyu et. al. need to understand is that MOST people don't actually speak in person, many of us are happy to participate on the mailing lists. For example, in the ISP Constituency, Tej, Robert Yawe and I and another Kenyan and about 10 other people let 4 people do all the talking. This is a completely "captured" constituency BTW. If Kenyans wanted to take it over completely, it would just take organization, interest and money. It's captured by these 3 ppl, because they are the only ones who regularly participate, run for the GNSO seat from the ISP constituency, etc. I've never heard of a country organising to the extent you advocate. I'm not saying it couldn't be done, but i am saying it shouldn't be done. Most of us represent ourselves, some represent our employers, some represent their nation. We shouldn't all represent our nation as that would pervert the intent of the process. I personally saw Alex take a very assertive role in the NCSG, including a discussion with the Board, Alice continues to represent, altho you must realise that the Board has a very grave duty in ensuring the safety of participants. Both Ayesha Hassan and Marilyn Cade from the Biz Con commented to me how much they keen to have waudo and Evelyn continue to contribute going forward (altho I wasn't at that meeting). Michuki has been instrumental in revitalizing AfTLD, (amongst many other accomplishments). Vincent is on of the leaders in the African IP addressing community, which is an ICANN process after all. Before we invented the term Internet Governance, there was a Kenyan on the ICANN Board. Glass half full is (at least) is my POV. Speaking of free dinners, I'll see you at the Carnivore! -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
Another bit of info I picked up - The German rep of the GAC discussed an effort in his country to organise all local actors interested in the ICANN agenda. ICANN sent staff to Germany to make presentations and help Germany optimise on its engagement. Rod, the ICANN CEO, recognised this as a commendable initiative. regards, Wamuyu ________________________________ From: McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> To: wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wed, 10 March, 2010 16:12:29 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Nothing like free dinner Walu, You may be correct about this, but what Wamuyu et. al. need to understand is that MOST people don't actually speak in person, many of us are happy to participate on the mailing lists. For example, in the ISP Constituency, Tej, Robert Yawe and I and another Kenyan and about 10 other people let 4 people do all the talking. This is a completely "captured" constituency BTW. If Kenyans wanted to take it over completely, it would just take organization, interest and money. It's captured by these 3 ppl, because they are the only ones who regularly participate, run for the GNSO seat from the ISP constituency, etc. I've never heard of a country organising to the extent you advocate. I'm not saying it couldn't be done, but i am saying it shouldn't be done. Most of us represent ourselves, some represent our employers, some represent their nation. We shouldn't all represent our nation as that would pervert the intent of the process. I personally saw Alex take a very assertive role in the NCSG, including a discussion with the Board, Alice continues to represent, altho you must realise that the Board has a very grave duty in ensuring the safety of participants. Both Ayesha Hassan and Marilyn Cade from the Biz Con commented to me how much they keen to have waudo and Evelyn continue to contribute going forward (altho I wasn't at that meeting). Michuki has been instrumental in revitalizing AfTLD, (amongst many other accomplishments). Vincent is on of the leaders in the African IP addressing community, which is an ICANN process after all. Before we invented the term Internet Governance, there was a Kenyan on the ICANN Board. Glass half full is (at least) is my POV. Speaking of free dinners, I'll see you at the Carnivore! -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
This sounds great Wamuyu. Wish we could replicate it here. I am also asking the Chair of the Business Constituency to come back during the EA-IGF and make presentations to the Business community why they should engage. Maybe the time of the EA-IGF would be appropraie to also have some ICANN staff around on the outreach program. Please talk to these guys at Carnivore or wherever you are to make these ideas a reality. Tonight I will miss the free dinner as I am on another engagement in Mombasa. Waudo On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:45 -0800, "Wamuyu Gatheru" <wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Another bit of info I picked up - The German rep of the GAC discussed an effort in his country to organise all local actors interested in the ICANN agenda. ICANN sent staff to Germany to make presentations and help Germany optimise on its engagement. Rod, the ICANN CEO, recognised this as a commendable initiative. regards, Wamuyu ____________________________________________________________ From: McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> To: wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wed, 10 March, 2010 16:12:29 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Nothing like free dinner Walu, You may be correct about this, but what Wamuyu et. al. need to understand is that MOST people don't actually speak in person, many of us are happy to participate on the mailing lists. For example, in the ISP Constituency, Tej, Robert Yawe and I and another Kenyan and about 10 other people let 4 people do all the talking. This is a completely "captured" constituency BTW. If Kenyans wanted to take it over completely, it would just take organization, interest and money. It's captured by these 3 ppl, because they are the only ones who regularly participate, run for the GNSO seat from the ISP constituency, etc. I've never heard of a country organising to the extent you advocate. I'm not saying it couldn't be done, but i am saying it shouldn't be done. Most of us represent ourselves, some represent our employers, some represent their nation. We shouldn't all represent our nation as that would pervert the intent of the process. I personally saw Alex take a very assertive role in the NCSG, including a discussion with the Board, Alice continues to represent, altho you must realise that the Board has a very grave duty in ensuring the safety of participants. Both Ayesha Hassan and Marilyn Cade from the Biz Con commented to me how much they keen to have waudo and Evelyn continue to contribute going forward (altho I wasn't at that meeting). Michuki has been instrumental in revitalizing AfTLD, (amongst many other accomplishments). Vincent is on of the leaders in the African IP addressing community, which is an ICANN process after all. Before we invented the term Internet Governance, there was a Kenyan on the ICANN Board. Glass half full is (at least) is my POV. Speaking of free dinners, I'll see you at the Carnivore! -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: emailsignet@mailcan.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman /options/kictanet/emailsignet%40mailcan.com
Hi all - after attending this ICANN meetings for some years I can add that those who want to make contributions and influence the decision makers have both the formal sessions and the informal social functions. The social functions are justa as important to get close one-on-one with the decision makers. For example at yesterday's cross-constituency (free) breakfast with the ICANN Board the 5 Kenyans who were present were requested to make addresses and Evelyn Rono, Robert Yawe, Doris Ofisi, Anthony Karanja and Harry Hare made full use of the opportunity to make impressive points directly to the Board members. Waudo Since flew to Mombasa On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 01:29 -0800, "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: Wamuyu, I want to believe you and Tim are both right about Kenyan involvement in the ICANN process. You could be right in that very few KENYAN voices are being heard and this could be because for most Kenyans this is their 1st ICANN Meeting - and one must learn their environment before engaging their mouths. However, Tim is also right in that the ICANN meeting has many parallel programs (away from the main hall) that are technical and very engaging. I have found many Kenyans enjoying their time in these other forums that are equally important but less visible (glamorous?) That said, it may be good that next time(maybe it was done), the core Kenyan team (KENIC, CCK, Gov?) would elicit Kenyan positions on various issues and strategically plant some Kenyans in the "crowd" to present those views when the ICANN board/councils open the floor for discussions. Methinks that that is what other countries, business communities and other stakeholders do. Like today I was shocked to hear a verbal submission from the guys who want to run something called the dot.gay domain...Needless to say I couldnt contribute because I was simply undergoing some cultural-shock just by staring at THIS guy and not hearing what he was saying (but that's a story for another day ;-) Yeah, looks like the internet is not just about wires and cables... walu. walu. --- On Wed, 3/10/10, Wamuyu Gatheru <wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: Wamuyu Gatheru <wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Nothing like free dinner To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 12:41 PM Tim, please substantiate. Yesterday I was at the county code NSO meeting, than later at the commercial actors meeting and finally at the GAC/ICANN board meetings. No Kenyan spoke at the first two meetings (if they were present). Alice and Michael (CCK) made an important intervention on the distraction and unfairness to Kenya of the security hollabalu - but no one else was around to support them in defending Kenya. Note also that this was the meeting where the ICANN board was trying once more to conclude the EOI issue on generic TLDs - businesses from developed countries can barely wait for this decision to be made. Actually, I think the weak Kenyan engagement is genuine and not one that we should necessarily be defensive about. Am new to ICANN and if I had not made the decision to attend the meeting a little while ago, I would never have understood its agenda and whats at stake. Those who have been involved in ICANN longer may have points to contribute on increasing Kenya's involvement. regards, Wamuyu ____________________________________________________________ From: McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> To: Wamuyu Gatheru <wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, 9 March, 2010 23:30:56 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Nothing like free dinner On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Wamuyu Gatheru <wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
nothing to do with Kenya. There must be good reasons why European, American, Asian and Australian businesspeople and their governments have hyper involvement while their Kenyan hosts are minding their shugulis...? Are we attending different meetings? I've been in a dozen meetings, and their have always been Kenyans in each one, many of them actively participating. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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