Tanzanian lecturer charged with insulting president on WhatsApp
A Tanzanian lecturer has been charged with insulting President John Magufuli in a WhatsApp message, a senior police official said on Friday, bringing the number of people charged under a tough new cybercrimes law to 10. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0 [http://s4.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20160923&t=2&i=1154681815&w=250&fh=545px&fw=&ll=&pl=&sq=&r=LYNXNPEC8M0LZ]<http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> Tanzanian lecturer charged with insulting president on WhatsApp<http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> www.reuters.com A Tanzanian lecturer has been charged with insulting President John Magufuli in a WhatsApp message, a senior police official said on Friday, bringing the number of people charged under a tough new cybercrimes law to 10.
The nature of the insult was not indicated in the article. I'm just wondering whether the lecturer insulted or criticized. There is a difference between the two...or is there? Regards, Mildred Achoch. Check out the Rock 'n' roll film festival, Kenya TV Channel! http://kenyarockfilmfestivaljournal.blogspot.com On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 4:29 PM, Grace Githaiga via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
A Tanzanian lecturer has been charged with insulting President John Magufuli in a WhatsApp message, a senior police official said on Friday, *bringing the number of people charged under a tough new cybercrimes law to 10.*
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0 <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> Tanzanian lecturer charged with insulting president on WhatsApp <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> www.reuters.com A Tanzanian lecturer has been charged with insulting President John Magufuli in a WhatsApp message, a senior police official said on Friday, bringing the number of people charged under a tough new cybercrimes law to 10.
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It shouldn't matter if he insulted or criticised. It's laws like this that are used to shut down legitimate criticism. Studies have shown just the threat of censure/arrest has wide effects outside the person being censured/arrested. Bringing this back to a local context, isn't the law that got Wadi arrested still on the books? On 23 September 2016 at 17:16, Mildred Achoch via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
The nature of the insult was not indicated in the article. I'm just wondering whether the lecturer insulted or criticized. There is a difference between the two...or is there?
Regards, Mildred Achoch.
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On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 4:29 PM, Grace Githaiga via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
A Tanzanian lecturer has been charged with insulting President John Magufuli in a WhatsApp message, a senior police official said on Friday, *bringing the number of people charged under a tough new cybercrimes law to 10.*
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0 <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> Tanzanian lecturer charged with insulting president on WhatsApp <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> www.reuters.com A Tanzanian lecturer has been charged with insulting President John Magufuli in a WhatsApp message, a senior police official said on Friday, bringing the number of people charged under a tough new cybercrimes law to 10.
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Question: Is insulting a *cybercrime* per se? As a mwanainchi why cant I arrest a person for insulting me on WhatsApp? (Let along Facebook or Twitter) ?? On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 6:54 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
It shouldn't matter if he insulted or criticised. It's laws like this that are used to shut down legitimate criticism. Studies have shown just the threat of censure/arrest has wide effects outside the person being censured/arrested.
Bringing this back to a local context, isn't the law that got Wadi arrested still on the books?
On 23 September 2016 at 17:16, Mildred Achoch via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
The nature of the insult was not indicated in the article. I'm just wondering whether the lecturer insulted or criticized. There is a difference between the two...or is there?
Regards, Mildred Achoch.
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On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 4:29 PM, Grace Githaiga via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
A Tanzanian lecturer has been charged with insulting President John Magufuli in a WhatsApp message, a senior police official said on Friday, *bringing the number of people charged under a tough new cybercrimes law to 10.*
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0 <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> Tanzanian lecturer charged with insulting president on WhatsApp <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> www.reuters.com A Tanzanian lecturer has been charged with insulting President John Magufuli in a WhatsApp message, a senior police official said on Friday, bringing the number of people charged under a tough new cybercrimes law to 10.
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I think if someone insults you, you sue for liable because you have to prove to the courts that what was said was not true. Regards, Alex From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via kictanet Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 8:39 AM To: awatila@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Ahmed Mohamed Maawy <ultimateprogramer@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Tanzanian lecturer charged with insulting president on WhatsApp Question: Is insulting a cybercrime per se? As a mwanainchi why cant I arrest a person for insulting me on WhatsApp? (Let along Facebook or Twitter) ?? On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 6:54 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > wrote: It shouldn't matter if he insulted or criticised. It's laws like this that are used to shut down legitimate criticism. Studies have shown just the threat of censure/arrest has wide effects outside the person being censured/arrested. Bringing this back to a local context, isn't the law that got Wadi arrested still on the books? On 23 September 2016 at 17:16, Mildred Achoch via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > wrote: The nature of the insult was not indicated in the article. I'm just wondering whether the lecturer insulted or criticized. There is a difference between the two...or is there? Regards, Mildred Achoch. Check out the Rock 'n' roll film festival, Kenya TV Channel! http://kenyarockfilmfestivaljournal.blogspot.com On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 4:29 PM, Grace Githaiga via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > wrote: A Tanzanian lecturer has been charged with insulting President John Magufuli in a WhatsApp message, a senior police official said on Friday, bringing the number of people charged under a tough new cybercrimes law to 10. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0 <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> Tanzanian lecturer charged with insulting president on WhatsApp <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> www.reuters.com <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> A Tanzanian lecturer has been charged with insulting President John Magufuli in a WhatsApp message, a senior police official said on Friday, bringing the number of people charged under a tough new cybercrimes law to 10. <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/mildandred%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. 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Unless I got this wrong. Insult in Swahili means "Kutukana". In which case the response to an insulting person (a fool) is to keep quiet. Arguing with a fool is foolish. This does not look so good in many ways for a public figure like him. On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 8:51 AM, Alex Watila <awatila@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
I think if someone insults you, you sue for liable because you have to prove to the courts that what was said was not true.
Regards,
Alex
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Question: Is insulting a *cybercrime* per se?
As a mwanainchi why cant I arrest a person for insulting me on WhatsApp? (Let along Facebook or Twitter) ??
On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 6:54 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
It shouldn't matter if he insulted or criticised. It's laws like this that are used to shut down legitimate criticism. Studies have shown just the threat of censure/arrest has wide effects outside the person being censured/arrested.
Bringing this back to a local context, isn't the law that got Wadi arrested still on the books?
On 23 September 2016 at 17:16, Mildred Achoch via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
The nature of the insult was not indicated in the article. I'm just wondering whether the lecturer insulted or criticized. There is a difference between the two...or is there?
Regards,
Mildred Achoch.
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On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 4:29 PM, Grace Githaiga via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
A Tanzanian lecturer has been charged with insulting President John Magufuli in a WhatsApp message, a senior police official said on Friday, *bringing the number of people charged under a tough new cybercrimes law to 10.*
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0
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Hi, On Sep 24, 2016 09:35, "Alex Watila via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I think if someone insults you, you sue for liable because you have to
prove to the courts that what was said was not true.
In his defense, his lawyer (as president) is his Attorney General. Not sure if this advances or confuses the discussion. Kip
Regards,
Alex
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Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 8:39 AM To: awatila@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Ahmed Mohamed Maawy <ultimateprogramer@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Tanzanian lecturer charged with insulting
yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via kictanet president on WhatsApp
Question: Is insulting a cybercrime per se?
As a mwanainchi why cant I arrest a person for insulting me on WhatsApp?
(Let along Facebook or Twitter) ??
On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 6:54 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet <
It shouldn't matter if he insulted or criticised. It's laws like this
Bringing this back to a local context, isn't the law that got Wadi
arrested still on the books?
On 23 September 2016 at 17:16, Mildred Achoch via kictanet <
kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
The nature of the insult was not indicated in the article. I'm just
wondering whether the lecturer insulted or criticized. There is a difference between the two...or is there?
Regards,
Mildred Achoch.
Check out the Rock 'n' roll film festival, Kenya TV Channel! http://kenyarockfilmfestivaljournal.blogspot.com
On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 4:29 PM, Grace Githaiga via kictanet <
kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
A Tanzanian lecturer has been charged with insulting President John
Magufuli in a WhatsApp message, a senior police official said on Friday, bringing the number of people charged under a tough new cybercrimes law to
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0
Tanzanian lecturer charged with insulting president on WhatsApp
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A Tanzanian lecturer has been charged with insulting President John
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Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer ;) We don't know the contents of the message, so in this case, we can't really comment on the validity of the charges. Questions: 1) Was the 'insult' aimed at "The Office of the Presidency" or against the person holding that office? (there is, I think, a distinction) 2) Was the 'insult' a string of derogatory verbiage, or some unpleasant 'facts' which may or may not be provable? 3) Where do we draw the line between what may be judged as legitimate criticism, and unjustified insults? 4) Are not the existing laws of slander and libel sufficient for legal recourse? Laws, especially new ones, are written (perhaps incompetently?) in vague terms - and it is up to the courts, through case by case judgements, to fine tune these laws. Unfortunately, for the 'early cases', this will be a painful process for those charged. It is also important, I think, that commentary regarding persons in elected office should be viewed more leniently - it "goes with the job", after all ;) Cheers, Tony On 24/09/2016, Kipkemoi Kiptum via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi,
On Sep 24, 2016 09:35, "Alex Watila via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I think if someone insults you, you sue for liable because you have to
prove to the courts that what was said was not true.
In his defense, his lawyer (as president) is his Attorney General. Not sure if this advances or confuses the discussion.
Kip
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Alex
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yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via kictanet president on WhatsApp
Question: Is insulting a cybercrime per se?
As a mwanainchi why cant I arrest a person for insulting me on WhatsApp?
(Let along Facebook or Twitter) ??
On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 6:54 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet <
It shouldn't matter if he insulted or criticised. It's laws like this
Bringing this back to a local context, isn't the law that got Wadi
arrested still on the books?
On 23 September 2016 at 17:16, Mildred Achoch via kictanet <
kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
The nature of the insult was not indicated in the article. I'm just
wondering whether the lecturer insulted or criticized. There is a difference between the two...or is there?
Regards,
Mildred Achoch.
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On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 4:29 PM, Grace Githaiga via kictanet <
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A Tanzanian lecturer has been charged with insulting President John
Magufuli in a WhatsApp message, a senior police official said on Friday, bringing the number of people charged under a tough new cybercrimes law to
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0
Tanzanian lecturer charged with insulting president on WhatsApp
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Abuse of telecommunications equipment? On Sat, Sep 24, 2016, 8:55 AM Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Question: Is insulting a *cybercrime* per se?
As a mwanainchi why cant I arrest a person for insulting me on WhatsApp? (Let along Facebook or Twitter) ??
On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 6:54 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
It shouldn't matter if he insulted or criticised. It's laws like this that are used to shut down legitimate criticism. Studies have shown just the threat of censure/arrest has wide effects outside the person being censured/arrested.
Bringing this back to a local context, isn't the law that got Wadi arrested still on the books?
On 23 September 2016 at 17:16, Mildred Achoch via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
The nature of the insult was not indicated in the article. I'm just wondering whether the lecturer insulted or criticized. There is a difference between the two...or is there?
Regards, Mildred Achoch.
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On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 4:29 PM, Grace Githaiga via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
A Tanzanian lecturer has been charged with insulting President John Magufuli in a WhatsApp message, a senior police official said on Friday, *bringing the number of people charged under a tough new cybercrimes law to 10.*
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0
<http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> Tanzanian lecturer charged with insulting president on WhatsApp <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> www.reuters.com A Tanzanian lecturer has been charged with insulting President John Magufuli in a WhatsApp message, a senior police official said on Friday, bringing the number of people charged under a tough new cybercrimes law to 10.
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It was declared unlawful “A controversial section in the Kenya Information and Communications Act which creates the offense of “misuse of a licensed telecommunication device,” has been declared unlawful. High Court Judge Mumbi Ngugi on Tuesday declared Section 29 of the said Act as unconstitutional saying it was too broad, vague and that it violated certain provisions of the Constitution.” http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Law-on-misuse-of-telecommunication-device-vague... From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Eric Mugendi via kictanet Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 8:59 AM To: awatila@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Eric Mugendi <emugendi@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Tanzanian lecturer charged with insulting president on WhatsApp Abuse of telecommunications equipment? On Sat, Sep 24, 2016, 8:55 AM Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > wrote: Question: Is insulting a cybercrime per se? As a mwanainchi why cant I arrest a person for insulting me on WhatsApp? (Let along Facebook or Twitter) ?? On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 6:54 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > wrote: It shouldn't matter if he insulted or criticised. It's laws like this that are used to shut down legitimate criticism. Studies have shown just the threat of censure/arrest has wide effects outside the person being censured/arrested. Bringing this back to a local context, isn't the law that got Wadi arrested still on the books? On 23 September 2016 at 17:16, Mildred Achoch via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > wrote: The nature of the insult was not indicated in the article. I'm just wondering whether the lecturer insulted or criticized. There is a difference between the two...or is there? Regards, Mildred Achoch. Check out the Rock 'n' roll film festival, Kenya TV Channel! http://kenyarockfilmfestivaljournal.blogspot.com On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 4:29 PM, Grace Githaiga via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > wrote: A Tanzanian lecturer has been charged with insulting President John Magufuli in a WhatsApp message, a senior police official said on Friday, bringing the number of people charged under a tough new cybercrimes law to 10. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0 <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> Tanzanian lecturer charged with insulting president on WhatsApp <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> www.reuters.com <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> A Tanzanian lecturer has been charged with insulting President John Magufuli in a WhatsApp message, a senior police official said on Friday, bringing the number of people charged under a tough new cybercrimes law to 10. <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/mildandred%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. 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And a follow up question to that question: can online insults be considered online bullying? Regards, Mildred. On Saturday, September 24, 2016, Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Question: Is insulting a *cybercrime* per se?
As a mwanainchi why cant I arrest a person for insulting me on WhatsApp? (Let along Facebook or Twitter) ??
On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 6:54 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke');>> wrote:
It shouldn't matter if he insulted or criticised. It's laws like this that are used to shut down legitimate criticism. Studies have shown just the threat of censure/arrest has wide effects outside the person being censured/arrested.
Bringing this back to a local context, isn't the law that got Wadi arrested still on the books?
On 23 September 2016 at 17:16, Mildred Achoch via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke');>> wrote:
The nature of the insult was not indicated in the article. I'm just wondering whether the lecturer insulted or criticized. There is a difference between the two...or is there?
Regards, Mildred Achoch.
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On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 4:29 PM, Grace Githaiga via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke');>> wrote:
A Tanzanian lecturer has been charged with insulting President John Magufuli in a WhatsApp message, a senior police official said on Friday, *bringing the number of people charged under a tough new cybercrimes law to 10.*
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0
<http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> Tanzanian lecturer charged with insulting president on WhatsApp <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> www.reuters.com A Tanzanian lecturer has been charged with insulting President John Magufuli in a WhatsApp message, a senior police official said on Friday, bringing the number of people charged under a tough new cybercrimes law to 10.
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Yes. But I guess you can only bully someone that you can intimidate From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Mildred Achoch via kictanet Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 10:56 AM To: awatila@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Mildred Achoch <mildandred@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Tanzanian lecturer charged with insulting president on WhatsApp And a follow up question to that question: can online insults be considered online bullying? Regards, Mildred. On Saturday, September 24, 2016, Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > wrote: Question: Is insulting a cybercrime per se? As a mwanainchi why cant I arrest a person for insulting me on WhatsApp? (Let along Facebook or Twitter) ?? On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 6:54 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke');> > wrote: It shouldn't matter if he insulted or criticised. It's laws like this that are used to shut down legitimate criticism. Studies have shown just the threat of censure/arrest has wide effects outside the person being censured/arrested. Bringing this back to a local context, isn't the law that got Wadi arrested still on the books? On 23 September 2016 at 17:16, Mildred Achoch via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke');> > wrote: The nature of the insult was not indicated in the article. I'm just wondering whether the lecturer insulted or criticized. There is a difference between the two...or is there? Regards, Mildred Achoch. Check out the Rock 'n' roll film festival, Kenya TV Channel! http://kenyarockfilmfestivaljournal.blogspot.com On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 4:29 PM, Grace Githaiga via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke');> > wrote: A Tanzanian lecturer has been charged with insulting President John Magufuli in a WhatsApp message, a senior police official said on Friday, bringing the number of people charged under a tough new cybercrimes law to 10. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0 <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> Tanzanian lecturer charged with insulting president on WhatsApp <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> www.reuters.com <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> A Tanzanian lecturer has been charged with insulting President John Magufuli in a WhatsApp message, a senior police official said on Friday, bringing the number of people charged under a tough new cybercrimes law to 10. <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/mildandred%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/sidney.ochieng%40gmail... 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KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> -- <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> Regards, <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> Sidney <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> Twitter: @princelySid | Website: sidneyochieng.co.ke <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ultimateprogramer%40gm... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> -- <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> Ahmed Maawy Executive Director - SwahiliBox / M-Power (CBO) Curator - Global Shapers Mombasa Hub Ambassador - Open Knowledge Director - Startup Grind Mombasa Software Developer - AJ+ / EveryLayer (KE) +254 714 960 627 Skype: ultimateprogramer swahilibox.co.ke globalshapers.org www.okfn.org startupgrind.com ajplus.net www.everylayer.com <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> -- <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> Check out the Rock 'n' roll film festival, Kenya TV Channel! http://kenyarockfilmfestivaljournal.blogspot.com <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0>
Alex Watila said: "I think if someone insults you, you sue for liable because you have to prove to the courts that what was said was not true." The majority of we common wananchi cannot afford to go to court every time someone insults us. ( Actually most wananchi can't affort to go to court, period.) Is there another channel that people can use to settle such matters out of court? Ahmed Mohamed Maawy said: "Insult in Swahili means "Kutukana". In which case the response to an insulting person (a fool) is to keep quiet. Arguing with a fool is foolish. This does not look so good in many ways for a public figure like him." I agree it is not wise to argue with a fool but disagree with keeping quiet. Silence is not always the best policy. Again, is there a channel, outside court, that people can use? Regarding the issue of public figures, I think they too have a right to not be insulted, their privacy to be respected and also the right to speak out against any real or perceived insults. Dialogue is key. Regards, Mildred Achoch. Check out the Rock 'n' roll film festival, Kenya TV Channel! http://kenyarockfilmfestivaljournal.blogspot.com On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 4:29 PM, Grace Githaiga via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
A Tanzanian lecturer has been charged with insulting President John Magufuli in a WhatsApp message, a senior police official said on Friday, *bringing the number of people charged under a tough new cybercrimes law to 10.*
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0 <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> Tanzanian lecturer charged with insulting president on WhatsApp <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0> www.reuters.com A Tanzanian lecturer has been charged with insulting President John Magufuli in a WhatsApp message, a senior police official said on Friday, bringing the number of people charged under a tough new cybercrimes law to 10.
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participants (8)
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Ahmed Mohamed Maawy -
Alex Watila -
Eric Mugendi -
Grace Githaiga -
Kipkemoi Kiptum -
Mildred Achoch -
Sidney Ochieng -
Tony White