Enrolling Kenyans From NHIF To SHIF Without Consent Is Legal - MoH
The Ministry of Health holds that the ongoing enrolment of Kenyans into the Social Health Insurance Fund (SHIF) without their consent is legal. As SHIF’s rolling out kicked off on Tuesday, October 1, members of the National Health Insurance Fund (NHIF) – the public health insurance scheme SHIF replaced – have been getting SMS messages that they have been automatically registered for the controversial new plan. In a statement on Thursday, Health Principal Secretary Harry Kimtai said: “The Ministry has received inquiries regarding the transition of existing NHIF members to SHA. We wish to clarify that the laws as per legal notice 147 of 2024 provided for the transition of all registered and verifiable NHIF members into SHA.” https://www.citizen.digital/news/moh-insists-enrolling-kenyans-from-nhif-to-... Best Regards ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva https://www.linkedin.com/in/mwendwa-kivuva
*Patient data privacy* is a paramount issue in healthcare. It involves protecting sensitive personal information such as medical history, diagnoses, treatment plans, and insurance details. Breaches of this privacy can have severe consequences for both individuals and healthcare providers. On Fri, Oct 4, 2024, 6:30 AM Mwendwa Kivuva via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
The Ministry of Health holds that the ongoing enrolment of Kenyans into the Social Health Insurance Fund (SHIF) without their consent is legal.
As SHIF’s rolling out kicked off on Tuesday, October 1, members of the National Health Insurance Fund (NHIF) – the public health insurance scheme SHIF replaced – have been getting SMS messages that they have been automatically registered for the controversial new plan.
In a statement on Thursday, Health Principal Secretary Harry Kimtai said: “The Ministry has received inquiries regarding the transition of existing NHIF members to SHA. We wish to clarify that the laws as per legal notice 147 of 2024 provided for the transition of all registered and verifiable NHIF members into SHA.”
https://www.citizen.digital/news/moh-insists-enrolling-kenyans-from-nhif-to-...
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good morning, government has legitimate interest and legal authority on all citizen data. they are also arguing that it is part of a data quality process (another expectation of data protection) they just need to prove that they conducted a Data Privacy Impact Assessment (based on the ruling of huduma number) regards, --- Sent from my Android phone. Please excuse my brevity On Fri, 4 Oct 2024, 06:54 Ngeno,Titus via KICTANet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
*Patient data privacy* is a paramount issue in healthcare. It involves protecting sensitive personal information such as medical history, diagnoses, treatment plans, and insurance details. Breaches of this privacy can have severe consequences for both individuals and healthcare providers.
On Fri, Oct 4, 2024, 6:30 AM Mwendwa Kivuva via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
The Ministry of Health holds that the ongoing enrolment of Kenyans into the Social Health Insurance Fund (SHIF) without their consent is legal.
As SHIF’s rolling out kicked off on Tuesday, October 1, members of the National Health Insurance Fund (NHIF) – the public health insurance scheme SHIF replaced – have been getting SMS messages that they have been automatically registered for the controversial new plan.
In a statement on Thursday, Health Principal Secretary Harry Kimtai said: “The Ministry has received inquiries regarding the transition of existing NHIF members to SHA. We wish to clarify that the laws as per legal notice 147 of 2024 provided for the transition of all registered and verifiable NHIF members into SHA.”
https://www.citizen.digital/news/moh-insists-enrolling-kenyans-from-nhif-to-...
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Hi Team, I wanted to share some important information regarding the payer and hospital management systems Kenyan government is considering. Oracle, with its acquisition of Cerner, has established itself as a clear leader in this field. Their proven track record and extensive experience make them a reliable choice. On the other hand, Adani's capabilities in this space are largely unknown. While they may be a reputable company in other sectors, their lack of experience in healthcare technology raises significant concerns. It's essential to consider the risks associated with implementing an unproven system, especially in a critical area like healthcare. Given that Oracle is a Kenyan company, partnering with them should aligns with Kenya's commitment to supporting local businesses and ensuring a smooth integration process. If anyone is listening here let somebody ask and carefully evaluate options out there and make an informed decision based on the proven track record and expertise of Oracle. Best regards, TN On Fri, Oct 4, 2024, 7:06 AM Alex Watila via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
good morning, government has legitimate interest and legal authority on all citizen data. they are also arguing that it is part of a data quality process (another expectation of data protection)
they just need to prove that they conducted a Data Privacy Impact Assessment (based on the ruling of huduma number)
regards, --- Sent from my Android phone. Please excuse my brevity
On Fri, 4 Oct 2024, 06:54 Ngeno,Titus via KICTANet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
*Patient data privacy* is a paramount issue in healthcare. It involves protecting sensitive personal information such as medical history, diagnoses, treatment plans, and insurance details. Breaches of this privacy can have severe consequences for both individuals and healthcare providers.
On Fri, Oct 4, 2024, 6:30 AM Mwendwa Kivuva via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
The Ministry of Health holds that the ongoing enrolment of Kenyans into the Social Health Insurance Fund (SHIF) without their consent is legal.
As SHIF’s rolling out kicked off on Tuesday, October 1, members of the National Health Insurance Fund (NHIF) – the public health insurance scheme SHIF replaced – have been getting SMS messages that they have been automatically registered for the controversial new plan.
In a statement on Thursday, Health Principal Secretary Harry Kimtai said: “The Ministry has received inquiries regarding the transition of existing NHIF members to SHA. We wish to clarify that the laws as per legal notice 147 of 2024 provided for the transition of all registered and verifiable NHIF members into SHA.”
https://www.citizen.digital/news/moh-insists-enrolling-kenyans-from-nhif-to-...
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Dear Titus, Mildred here. Just a personal question: is this the same Adani involved with the current airport issue? Regards, Midred. On Friday, October 4, 2024, Ngeno,Titus via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Team,
I wanted to share some important information regarding the payer and hospital management systems Kenyan government is considering. Oracle, with its acquisition of Cerner, has established itself as a clear leader in this field. Their proven track record and extensive experience make them a reliable choice.
On the other hand, Adani's capabilities in this space are largely unknown. While they may be a reputable company in other sectors, their lack of experience in healthcare technology raises significant concerns. It's essential to consider the risks associated with implementing an unproven system, especially in a critical area like healthcare.
Given that Oracle is a Kenyan company, partnering with them should aligns with Kenya's commitment to supporting local businesses and ensuring a smooth integration process.
If anyone is listening here let somebody ask and carefully evaluate options out there and make an informed decision based on the proven track record and expertise of Oracle.
Best regards,
TN
On Fri, Oct 4, 2024, 7:06 AM Alex Watila via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
good morning, government has legitimate interest and legal authority on all citizen data. they are also arguing that it is part of a data quality process (another expectation of data protection)
they just need to prove that they conducted a Data Privacy Impact Assessment (based on the ruling of huduma number)
regards, --- Sent from my Android phone. Please excuse my brevity
On Fri, 4 Oct 2024, 06:54 Ngeno,Titus via KICTANet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
*Patient data privacy* is a paramount issue in healthcare. It involves protecting sensitive personal information such as medical history, diagnoses, treatment plans, and insurance details. Breaches of this privacy can have severe consequences for both individuals and healthcare providers.
On Fri, Oct 4, 2024, 6:30 AM Mwendwa Kivuva via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
The Ministry of Health holds that the ongoing enrolment of Kenyans into the Social Health Insurance Fund (SHIF) without their consent is legal.
As SHIF’s rolling out kicked off on Tuesday, October 1, members of the National Health Insurance Fund (NHIF) – the public health insurance scheme SHIF replaced – have been getting SMS messages that they have been automatically registered for the controversial new plan.
In a statement on Thursday, Health Principal Secretary Harry Kimtai said: “The Ministry has received inquiries regarding the transition of existing NHIF members to SHA. We wish to clarify that the laws as per legal notice 147 of 2024 provided for the transition of all registered and verifiable NHIF members into SHA.”
https://www.citizen.digital/news/moh-insists-enrolling- kenyans-from-nhif-to-shif-without-consent-is-legal-n350685
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Hello Mildred, Yes, it's the same Adani that Kenya has been auctioned to. On Fri, Oct 4, 2024 at 10:59 AM Mildred Achoch via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear Titus,
Mildred here. Just a personal question: is this the same Adani involved with the current airport issue?
Regards, Midred.
On Friday, October 4, 2024, Ngeno,Titus via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Team,
I wanted to share some important information regarding the payer and hospital management systems Kenyan government is considering. Oracle, with its acquisition of Cerner, has established itself as a clear leader in this field. Their proven track record and extensive experience make them a reliable choice.
On the other hand, Adani's capabilities in this space are largely unknown. While they may be a reputable company in other sectors, their lack of experience in healthcare technology raises significant concerns. It's essential to consider the risks associated with implementing an unproven system, especially in a critical area like healthcare.
Given that Oracle is a Kenyan company, partnering with them should aligns with Kenya's commitment to supporting local businesses and ensuring a smooth integration process.
If anyone is listening here let somebody ask and carefully evaluate options out there and make an informed decision based on the proven track record and expertise of Oracle.
Best regards,
TN
On Fri, Oct 4, 2024, 7:06 AM Alex Watila via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
good morning, government has legitimate interest and legal authority on all citizen data. they are also arguing that it is part of a data quality process (another expectation of data protection)
they just need to prove that they conducted a Data Privacy Impact Assessment (based on the ruling of huduma number)
regards, --- Sent from my Android phone. Please excuse my brevity
On Fri, 4 Oct 2024, 06:54 Ngeno,Titus via KICTANet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
*Patient data privacy* is a paramount issue in healthcare. It involves protecting sensitive personal information such as medical history, diagnoses, treatment plans, and insurance details. Breaches of this privacy can have severe consequences for both individuals and healthcare providers.
On Fri, Oct 4, 2024, 6:30 AM Mwendwa Kivuva via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
The Ministry of Health holds that the ongoing enrolment of Kenyans into the Social Health Insurance Fund (SHIF) without their consent is legal.
As SHIF’s rolling out kicked off on Tuesday, October 1, members of the National Health Insurance Fund (NHIF) – the public health insurance scheme SHIF replaced – have been getting SMS messages that they have been automatically registered for the controversial new plan.
In a statement on Thursday, Health Principal Secretary Harry Kimtai said: “The Ministry has received inquiries regarding the transition of existing NHIF members to SHA. We wish to clarify that the laws as per legal notice 147 of 2024 provided for the transition of all registered and verifiable NHIF members into SHA.”
https://www.citizen.digital/news/moh-insists-enrolling-kenyans-from-nhif-to-...
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is it true they are using odoo open source? --- Sent from my Android phone. Please excuse my brevity On Fri, 4 Oct 2024, 10:09 Ngeno,Titus, <titus.ngeno@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Team,
I wanted to share some important information regarding the payer and hospital management systems Kenyan government is considering. Oracle, with its acquisition of Cerner, has established itself as a clear leader in this field. Their proven track record and extensive experience make them a reliable choice.
On the other hand, Adani's capabilities in this space are largely unknown. While they may be a reputable company in other sectors, their lack of experience in healthcare technology raises significant concerns. It's essential to consider the risks associated with implementing an unproven system, especially in a critical area like healthcare.
Given that Oracle is a Kenyan company, partnering with them should aligns with Kenya's commitment to supporting local businesses and ensuring a smooth integration process.
If anyone is listening here let somebody ask and carefully evaluate options out there and make an informed decision based on the proven track record and expertise of Oracle.
Best regards,
TN
On Fri, Oct 4, 2024, 7:06 AM Alex Watila via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
good morning, government has legitimate interest and legal authority on all citizen data. they are also arguing that it is part of a data quality process (another expectation of data protection)
they just need to prove that they conducted a Data Privacy Impact Assessment (based on the ruling of huduma number)
regards, --- Sent from my Android phone. Please excuse my brevity
On Fri, 4 Oct 2024, 06:54 Ngeno,Titus via KICTANet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
*Patient data privacy* is a paramount issue in healthcare. It involves protecting sensitive personal information such as medical history, diagnoses, treatment plans, and insurance details. Breaches of this privacy can have severe consequences for both individuals and healthcare providers.
On Fri, Oct 4, 2024, 6:30 AM Mwendwa Kivuva via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
The Ministry of Health holds that the ongoing enrolment of Kenyans into the Social Health Insurance Fund (SHIF) without their consent is legal.
As SHIF’s rolling out kicked off on Tuesday, October 1, members of the National Health Insurance Fund (NHIF) – the public health insurance scheme SHIF replaced – have been getting SMS messages that they have been automatically registered for the controversial new plan.
In a statement on Thursday, Health Principal Secretary Harry Kimtai said: “The Ministry has received inquiries regarding the transition of existing NHIF members to SHA. We wish to clarify that the laws as per legal notice 147 of 2024 provided for the transition of all registered and verifiable NHIF members into SHA.”
https://www.citizen.digital/news/moh-insists-enrolling-kenyans-from-nhif-to-...
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Is it Odoo or ERPNext? On Fri, Oct 4, 2024 at 12:53 PM Alex Watila via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
is it true they are using odoo open source?
--- Sent from my Android phone. Please excuse my brevity
On Fri, 4 Oct 2024, 10:09 Ngeno,Titus, <titus.ngeno@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Team,
I wanted to share some important information regarding the payer and hospital management systems Kenyan government is considering. Oracle, with its acquisition of Cerner, has established itself as a clear leader in this field. Their proven track record and extensive experience make them a reliable choice.
On the other hand, Adani's capabilities in this space are largely unknown. While they may be a reputable company in other sectors, their lack of experience in healthcare technology raises significant concerns. It's essential to consider the risks associated with implementing an unproven system, especially in a critical area like healthcare.
Given that Oracle is a Kenyan company, partnering with them should aligns with Kenya's commitment to supporting local businesses and ensuring a smooth integration process.
If anyone is listening here let somebody ask and carefully evaluate options out there and make an informed decision based on the proven track record and expertise of Oracle.
Best regards,
TN
On Fri, Oct 4, 2024, 7:06 AM Alex Watila via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
good morning, government has legitimate interest and legal authority on all citizen data. they are also arguing that it is part of a data quality process (another expectation of data protection)
they just need to prove that they conducted a Data Privacy Impact Assessment (based on the ruling of huduma number)
regards, --- Sent from my Android phone. Please excuse my brevity
On Fri, 4 Oct 2024, 06:54 Ngeno,Titus via KICTANet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
*Patient data privacy* is a paramount issue in healthcare. It involves protecting sensitive personal information such as medical history, diagnoses, treatment plans, and insurance details. Breaches of this privacy can have severe consequences for both individuals and healthcare providers.
On Fri, Oct 4, 2024, 6:30 AM Mwendwa Kivuva via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
The Ministry of Health holds that the ongoing enrolment of Kenyans into the Social Health Insurance Fund (SHIF) without their consent is legal.
As SHIF’s rolling out kicked off on Tuesday, October 1, members of the National Health Insurance Fund (NHIF) – the public health insurance scheme SHIF replaced – have been getting SMS messages that they have been automatically registered for the controversial new plan.
In a statement on Thursday, Health Principal Secretary Harry Kimtai said: “The Ministry has received inquiries regarding the transition of existing NHIF members to SHA. We wish to clarify that the laws as per legal notice 147 of 2024 provided for the transition of all registered and verifiable NHIF members into SHA.”
https://www.citizen.digital/news/moh-insists-enrolling-kenyans-from-nhif-to-...
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someone calculated that the cost is equivalent of 25% ownership of odoo (or is it erpnext?) --- Sent from my Android phone. Please excuse my brevity On Fri, 4 Oct 2024, 17:37 Odhiambo Washington, <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Is it Odoo or ERPNext?
On Fri, Oct 4, 2024 at 12:53 PM Alex Watila via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
is it true they are using odoo open source?
--- Sent from my Android phone. Please excuse my brevity
On Fri, 4 Oct 2024, 10:09 Ngeno,Titus, <titus.ngeno@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Team,
I wanted to share some important information regarding the payer and hospital management systems Kenyan government is considering. Oracle, with its acquisition of Cerner, has established itself as a clear leader in this field. Their proven track record and extensive experience make them a reliable choice.
On the other hand, Adani's capabilities in this space are largely unknown. While they may be a reputable company in other sectors, their lack of experience in healthcare technology raises significant concerns. It's essential to consider the risks associated with implementing an unproven system, especially in a critical area like healthcare.
Given that Oracle is a Kenyan company, partnering with them should aligns with Kenya's commitment to supporting local businesses and ensuring a smooth integration process.
If anyone is listening here let somebody ask and carefully evaluate options out there and make an informed decision based on the proven track record and expertise of Oracle.
Best regards,
TN
On Fri, Oct 4, 2024, 7:06 AM Alex Watila via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
good morning, government has legitimate interest and legal authority on all citizen data. they are also arguing that it is part of a data quality process (another expectation of data protection)
they just need to prove that they conducted a Data Privacy Impact Assessment (based on the ruling of huduma number)
regards, --- Sent from my Android phone. Please excuse my brevity
On Fri, 4 Oct 2024, 06:54 Ngeno,Titus via KICTANet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
*Patient data privacy* is a paramount issue in healthcare. It involves protecting sensitive personal information such as medical history, diagnoses, treatment plans, and insurance details. Breaches of this privacy can have severe consequences for both individuals and healthcare providers.
On Fri, Oct 4, 2024, 6:30 AM Mwendwa Kivuva via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
The Ministry of Health holds that the ongoing enrolment of Kenyans into the Social Health Insurance Fund (SHIF) without their consent is legal.
As SHIF’s rolling out kicked off on Tuesday, October 1, members of the National Health Insurance Fund (NHIF) – the public health insurance scheme SHIF replaced – have been getting SMS messages that they have been automatically registered for the controversial new plan.
In a statement on Thursday, Health Principal Secretary Harry Kimtai said: “The Ministry has received inquiries regarding the transition of existing NHIF members to SHA. We wish to clarify that the laws as per legal notice 147 of 2024 provided for the transition of all registered and verifiable NHIF members into SHA.”
https://www.citizen.digital/news/moh-insists-enrolling-kenyans-from-nhif-to-...
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On 04/10/2024 5.36 pm, Odhiambo Washington via KICTANet wrote:
Is it Odoo or ERPNext?
There are examples of using open source software for healthcare, for example: https://worldvista.org/AboutVistA/copy_of_index_html https://www.gnuhealth.org/ Most of these are used at a hospital level. Lebanon does make extensive use of WorldVistA. The US Military Veterans no longer use WorldVistA. A well structured open source model would lead to accountability and enable auditing. In the US healthcare regulation has been subject to significant political lobbying. Comparisons with other countries that are trying to provide universal health coverage like India, or countries that have well functioning universal health coverage systems particularly those in the low to middle income GDP bracket, would be helpful.
On Fri, Oct 4, 2024 at 12:53 PM Alex Watila via KICTANet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote:
is it true they are using odoo open source?
--- Sent from my Android phone. Please excuse my brevity
On Fri, 4 Oct 2024, 10:09 Ngeno,Titus, <titus.ngeno@gmail.com <mailto:titus.ngeno@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Team,
I wanted to share some important information regarding the payer and hospital management systems Kenyan government is considering. Oracle, with its acquisition of Cerner, has established itself as a clear leader in this field. Their proven track record and extensive experience make them a reliable choice.
On the other hand, Adani's capabilities in this space are largely unknown. While they may be a reputable company in other sectors, their lack of experience in healthcare technology raises significant concerns. It's essential to consider the risks associated with implementing an unproven system, especially in a critical area like healthcare.
Given that Oracle is a Kenyan company, partnering with them should aligns with Kenya's commitment to supporting local businesses and ensuring a smooth integration process.
If anyone is listening here let somebody ask and carefully evaluate options out there and make an informed decision based on the proven track record and expertise of Oracle.
Best regards,
TN
https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=c+erner+veteran+affaiss&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&dlnr=1&sei=k08BZ8rMO9uB9u8Pv63z8AE From: Benson Muite via KICTANet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Saturday, October 5, 2024 at 2:56 PM To: USATNG <titus.ngeno@gmail.com> Cc: Benson Muite <benson_muite@emailplus.org> Subject: [kictanet] Re: Enrolling Kenyans From NHIF To SHIF Without Consent Is Legal - MoH On 04/10/2024 5.36 pm, Odhiambo Washington via KICTANet wrote:
Is it Odoo or ERPNext?
There are examples of using open source software for healthcare, for example: https://worldvista.org/AboutVistA/copy_of_index_html https://www.gnuhealth.org/ Most of these are used at a hospital level. Lebanon does make extensive use of WorldVistA. The US Military Veterans no longer use WorldVistA. A well structured open source model would lead to accountability and enable auditing. In the US healthcare regulation has been subject to significant political lobbying. Comparisons with other countries that are trying to provide universal health coverage like India, or countries that have well functioning universal health coverage systems particularly those in the low to middle income GDP bracket, would be helpful.
On Fri, Oct 4, 2024 at 12:53 PM Alex Watila via KICTANet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote:
is it true they are using odoo open source?
--- Sent from my Android phone. Please excuse my brevity
On Fri, 4 Oct 2024, 10:09 Ngeno,Titus, <titus.ngeno@gmail.com <mailto:titus.ngeno@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Team,
I wanted to share some important information regarding the payer and hospital management systems Kenyan government is considering. Oracle, with its acquisition of Cerner, has established itself as a clear leader in this field. Their proven track record and extensive experience make them a reliable choice.
On the other hand, Adani's capabilities in this space are largely unknown. While they may be a reputable company in other sectors, their lack of experience in healthcare technology raises significant concerns. It's essential to consider the risks associated with implementing an unproven system, especially in a critical area like healthcare.
Given that Oracle is a Kenyan company, partnering with them should aligns with Kenya's commitment to supporting local businesses and ensuring a smooth integration process.
If anyone is listening here let somebody ask and carefully evaluate options out there and make an informed decision based on the proven track record and expertise of Oracle.
Best regards,
TN
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Don't forget DHIS2 which lots of Kenyans contributed to. Pephar datim is the biggest implementation tracking patients across many countries Again when implementing such systems you need to separate the transactional, operational, tactical and strategic --- Sent from my Android Tablet. Please excuse my brevity On Sat, 5 Oct 2024, 14:56 Benson Muite via KICTANet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
On 04/10/2024 5.36 pm, Odhiambo Washington via KICTANet wrote:
Is it Odoo or ERPNext?
There are examples of using open source software for healthcare, for example:
https://worldvista.org/AboutVistA/copy_of_index_html https://www.gnuhealth.org/
Most of these are used at a hospital level. Lebanon does make extensive use of WorldVistA. The US Military Veterans no longer use WorldVistA. A well structured open source model would lead to accountability and enable auditing. In the US healthcare regulation has been subject to significant political lobbying.
Comparisons with other countries that are trying to provide universal health coverage like India, or countries that have well functioning universal health coverage systems particularly those in the low to middle income GDP bracket, would be helpful.
On Fri, Oct 4, 2024 at 12:53 PM Alex Watila via KICTANet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote:
is it true they are using odoo open source?
--- Sent from my Android phone. Please excuse my brevity
On Fri, 4 Oct 2024, 10:09 Ngeno,Titus, <titus.ngeno@gmail.com <mailto:titus.ngeno@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Team,
I wanted to share some important information regarding the payer and hospital management systems Kenyan government is considering. Oracle, with its acquisition of Cerner, has established itself as a clear leader in this field. Their proven track record and extensive experience make them a reliable
choice.
On the other hand, Adani's capabilities in this space are largely unknown. While they may be a reputable company in other sectors, their lack of experience in healthcare technology raises significant concerns. It's essential to consider the risks associated with implementing an unproven system, especially in a critical area like healthcare.
Given that Oracle is a Kenyan company, partnering with them should aligns with Kenya's commitment to supporting local businesses and ensuring a smooth integration process.
If anyone is listening here let somebody ask and carefully evaluate options out there and make an informed decision based on the proven track record and expertise of Oracle.
Best regards,
TN
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Hello What would be the basis for Citizen to ask for the details on this for transparency as it has been shrouded with alot of misinformation as well. Where is this data being stored?Are the servers overseas or in Kenya? The implementation process and due diligence of the project has also not been open to all. How possible can we in the early stages get information privy to the few on this ? On Sat, Oct 5, 2024 at 10:33 PM Alex Watila via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Don't forget DHIS2 which lots of Kenyans contributed to.
Pephar datim is the biggest implementation tracking patients across many countries
Again when implementing such systems you need to separate the transactional, operational, tactical and strategic
--- Sent from my Android Tablet. Please excuse my brevity
On Sat, 5 Oct 2024, 14:56 Benson Muite via KICTANet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
On 04/10/2024 5.36 pm, Odhiambo Washington via KICTANet wrote:
Is it Odoo or ERPNext?
There are examples of using open source software for healthcare, for example:
https://worldvista.org/AboutVistA/copy_of_index_html https://www.gnuhealth.org/
Most of these are used at a hospital level. Lebanon does make extensive use of WorldVistA. The US Military Veterans no longer use WorldVistA. A well structured open source model would lead to accountability and enable auditing. In the US healthcare regulation has been subject to significant political lobbying.
Comparisons with other countries that are trying to provide universal health coverage like India, or countries that have well functioning universal health coverage systems particularly those in the low to middle income GDP bracket, would be helpful.
On Fri, Oct 4, 2024 at 12:53 PM Alex Watila via KICTANet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote:
is it true they are using odoo open source?
--- Sent from my Android phone. Please excuse my brevity
On Fri, 4 Oct 2024, 10:09 Ngeno,Titus, <titus.ngeno@gmail.com <mailto:titus.ngeno@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Team,
I wanted to share some important information regarding the payer and hospital management systems Kenyan government is considering. Oracle, with its acquisition of Cerner, has established itself as a clear leader in this field. Their proven track record and extensive experience make them a reliable
choice.
On the other hand, Adani's capabilities in this space are largely unknown. While they may be a reputable company in other sectors, their lack of experience in healthcare technology raises significant concerns. It's essential to consider the risks associated with implementing an unproven system, especially in a critical area like healthcare.
Given that Oracle is a Kenyan company, partnering with them should aligns with Kenya's commitment to supporting local businesses and ensuring a smooth integration process.
If anyone is listening here let somebody ask and carefully evaluate options out there and make an informed decision based on the proven track record and expertise of Oracle.
Best regards,
TN
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On 05/10/2024 2.54 pm, Benson Muite wrote:
On 04/10/2024 5.36 pm, Odhiambo Washington via KICTANet wrote:
Is it Odoo or ERPNext?
OpenEMR also seems to be used at Siaya Hospital: https://www.open-emr.org/wiki/index.php/OpenEMR_Success_Stories#Siaya_Distri... Related article: Muinga, N., Magare, S., Monda, J. et al. Digital health Systems in Kenyan Public Hospitals: a mixed-methods survey. BMC Med Inform Decis Mak 20, 2 (2020). https://doi.org/10.1186/s12911-019-1005-7Muinga, N., Magare, S., Monda, J. et al. Digital health Systems in Kenyan Public Hospitals: a mixed-methods survey. BMC Med Inform Decis Mak 20, 2 (2020). https://doi.org/10.1186/s12911-019-1005-7 The conclusion is that a top-down approach is beneficial, but cost estimates are not given. A follow up study would be helpful to see if any of the bottom-up solutions have evolved to add features that are useful locally.
There are examples of using open source software for healthcare, for example:
https://worldvista.org/AboutVistA/copy_of_index_html https://www.gnuhealth.org/
Most of these are used at a hospital level. Lebanon does make extensive use of WorldVistA. The US Military Veterans no longer use WorldVistA. A well structured open source model would lead to accountability and enable auditing. In the US healthcare regulation has been subject to significant political lobbying.
Comparisons with other countries that are trying to provide universal health coverage like India, or countries that have well functioning universal health coverage systems particularly those in the low to middle income GDP bracket, would be helpful.
On 04/10/2024 10.09 am, Ngeno,Titus via KICTANet wrote:
Hi Team,
I wanted to share some important information regarding the payer and hospital management systems Kenyan government is considering. Oracle, with its acquisition of Cerner, has established itself as a clear leader in this field. Their proven track record and extensive experience make them a reliable choice.
On the other hand, Adani's capabilities in this space are largely unknown. While they may be a reputable company in other sectors, their lack of experience in healthcare technology raises significant concerns. It's essential to consider the risks associated with implementing an unproven system, especially in a critical area like healthcare.
Given that Oracle is a Kenyan company, partnering with them should aligns with Kenya's commitment to supporting local businesses and ensuring a smooth integration process.
Oracle is a US domiciled multinational with offices in Kenya. The NHS in the UK has had some of their software created by Infosys (an Indian domiciled multinational with offices in the UK). Hopefully a transparent tender process will be followed. Protectionism will not help Kenyan companies that want to export software services.
If anyone is listening here let somebody ask and carefully evaluate options out there and make an informed decision based on the proven track record and expertise of Oracle.
Best regards,
TN
On Fri, Oct 4, 2024, 7:06 AM Alex Watila via KICTANet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote:
good morning, government has legitimate interest and legal authority on all citizen data. they are also arguing that it is part of a data quality process (another expectation of data protection)
Data necessary for public health and economic planning, but not all citizen data. Governments also need to be held accountable for what data they collect and the purposes it is used for.
they just need to prove that they conducted a Data Privacy Impact Assessment (based on the ruling of huduma number)
regards, --- Sent from my Android phone. Please excuse my brevity
On Fri, 4 Oct 2024, 06:54 Ngeno,Titus via KICTANet, <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote:
*Patient data privacy* is a paramount issue in healthcare. It involves protecting sensitive personal information such as medical history, diagnoses, treatment plans, and insurance details. Breaches of this privacy can have severe consequences for both individuals and healthcare providers.
We still do not have a bill similar to HIPAA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_Insurance_Portability_and_Accountabilit...
On Fri, Oct 4, 2024, 6:30 AM Mwendwa Kivuva via KICTANet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote:
The Ministry of Health holds that the ongoing enrolment of Kenyans into the Social Health Insurance Fund (SHIF) without their consent is legal.
As SHIF’s rolling out kicked off on Tuesday, October 1, members of the National Health Insurance Fund (NHIF) – the public health insurance scheme SHIF replaced – have been getting SMS messages that they have been automatically registered for the controversial new plan.
In a statement on Thursday, Health Principal Secretary Harry Kimtai said: “The Ministry has received inquiries regarding the transition of existing NHIF members to SHA. We wish to clarify that the laws as per legal notice 147 of 2024 provided for the transition of all registered and verifiable NHIF members into SHA.”
https://www.citizen.digital/news/moh-insists-enrolling- kenyans-from-nhif-to-shif-without-consent-is-legal-n350685 <https://www.citizen.digital/news/moh-insists-enrolling- kenyans-from-nhif-to-shif-without-consent-is-legal-n350685>
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