Use of TV white space by Indigo and Microsoft
Came across this and in light of recent happenings I am curious to know the regulators opinion on this and what technology these guys are actually using. http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/news-releases/microsoft-teams-with-the-governmen... Why isn't using white space (which I assume is intentionally unallocated spectrum) mainstream? Am I missing something? -- Regards, Mark Mwangi markmwangi.me.ke
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
Came across this and in light of recent happenings I am curious to know the regulators opinion on this and what technology these guys are actually using.
http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/news-releases/microsoft-teams-with-the-governmen...
Why isn't using white space (which I assume is intentionally unallocated spectrum) mainstream?
"White space" as used in recent years refers to spectrum previously allocated to TV broadcast, but freed up post digital migration (sometime referred to as "the digital didvidend") I know the mzungu in the photos, I've asked him what CPE they are using, will ask him about frequencies. - Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
Listers, I'm I the only one who sees the humour in this? In my opinion, he was just being sarcastic about the whole tweet thing but it looks like my fellow Kenyans cannot take a joke! On 6 February 2013 09:28, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ttSQYQuNYDM.
Ndemo.
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Listers, I see nothing wrong with this. Yes it does make fun of kenyans and throws a blanket description of our internet access and economic status but what did we actually expect from comedians? Praise and a feel good message? If any have watched the movie Argo (2012) and read up on what actually happened in the incident the movie is based on, you will understand that Americans will praise themselves first before giving anyone else any credit. And maybe we should learn to do this for the interest of national pride? I see nothing stopping our film makers from going to Texas and making fun of their rednecks. On Wednesday, 6 February 2013, Moses M.G wrote:
Listers,
I'm I the only one who sees the humour in this? In my opinion, he was just being sarcastic about the whole tweet thing but it looks like my fellow Kenyans cannot take a joke!
On 6 February 2013 09:28, <bitange@jambo.co.ke <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'bitange@jambo.co.ke');>> wrote:
Kenyans Read Celebrity Tweets<http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ttSQYQuNYDM> .
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I agree, that those who are doing well tend to be quite oversensitive to humor and come up with racism allegations that are usually non-existent. The comedian here was showing the pettiness in the celebrity tweets, which is well brought out by the guy reading the 50 cent tweet at the end. Should we be happy it was shot in Kenya, with the crew earning us some little forex. In comparison, the US also found a VW SuperBowl Ad to be racist to Jamaicans http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H0xPWAtaa8 Meanwhile, the "offended" Jamaicans wen't ahead and came up with another "VW Ad", making fun at the Germaicans http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z52Fv_4E1bs
Instead of complaining and frowning at how much we are being made fun of and forever painting ourselves as victims, Why don't we retaliate? Don't we have kenyan entertainers residing in the US? Why not engage them and make a fun video response? Its never that serious. On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree, that those who are doing well tend to be quite oversensitive to humor and come up with racism allegations that are usually non-existent. The comedian here was showing the pettiness in the celebrity tweets, which is well brought out by the guy reading the 50 cent tweet at the end. Should we be happy it was shot in Kenya, with the crew earning us some little forex.
In comparison, the US also found a VW SuperBowl Ad to be racist to Jamaicans http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H0xPWAtaa8
Meanwhile, the "offended" Jamaicans wen't ahead and came up with another "VW Ad", making fun at the Germaicans http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z52Fv_4E1bs
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Here is the response from Kenyans http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vBzqwT_xBk On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
Instead of complaining and frowning at how much we are being made fun of and forever painting ourselves as victims, Why don't we retaliate? Don't we have kenyan entertainers residing in the US?
Why not engage them and make a fun video response? Its never that serious.
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree, that those who are doing well tend to be quite oversensitive to humor and come up with racism allegations that are usually non-existent. The comedian here was showing the pettiness in the celebrity tweets, which is well brought out by the guy reading the 50 cent tweet at the end. Should we be happy it was shot in Kenya, with the crew earning us some little forex.
In comparison, the US also found a VW SuperBowl Ad to be racist to Jamaicans http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H0xPWAtaa8
Meanwhile, the "offended" Jamaicans wen't ahead and came up with another "VW Ad", making fun at the Germaicans http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z52Fv_4E1bs
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Mark,listers It is a pilot project using new technology and in my view the regulator would take an interest and determine if there is need for any regulatory intervention. John Kariuki. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+ngethe.kariuki2007=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 00:01:20 To: <ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: [kictanet] Use of TV white space by Indigo and Microsoft _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ngethe.kariuki2007%40y... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Ng'ethe, In other jurisdictions where this is being trialled, a white space device will not be authourised to start transmitting until getting clearance from an online database qualified by Sector Regulator. This database is expected to provide updated information on where the white spaces are and the power level that devices would need to be restricted to if they wanted to use them(i.e. white spaces). It would be interesting to know if such a database has been established in Kenya to help mitigate against interference with other existing and planned services should the pilot ever qualify to be upgraded to commercial use. Also recall that the "white spaces" were meant to refer to the guard bands between TV channels in the TV broadcasting bands; therefore the migration from analogue to digital TV broadcasting and the allocation and use of the "Digital Dividend ( 1st and 2nd dividend)" will impact on how this white space experiment eventually pans out. Regards Daniel Obam Communications Radio Technology Expert National Communications Secretariat 9th Floor TRANSCOM House, Ngong Rd P.O. Box 10756- 00100 GPO NAIROBI, KENYA Tel. +254202719953, Fax +254202716515 Mobile: +254722519889 From: "ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk" <ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk> To: daniel_obam@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 6:23 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Use of TV white space by Indigo and Microsoft Mark,listers It is a pilot project using new technology and in my view the regulator would take an interest and determine if there is need for any regulatory intervention. John Kariuki. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+ngethe.kariuki2007=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 00:01:20 To: <ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: [kictanet] Use of TV white space by Indigo and Microsoft _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ngethe.kariuki2007%40y... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/daniel_obam%40yahoo.co... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Hi all, Please take note that this saga is playing out in the USA with traditional telcos fighting to protect their turf while former content companies threaten survival of the telcos. http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/tech-telecom-giants-take-s... Excerpt: "The federal government wants to create super WiFi networks across the nation, so powerful and broad in reach that consumers could use them to make calls or surf the Internet without paying a cellphone bill every month. The proposal from the Federal Communications Commission has rattled the $178 billion wireless industry, which has launched a fierce lobbying effort to persuade policymakers to reconsider the idea, analysts say. That has been countered by an equally intense campaign from Google<http://washpost.bloomberg.com/marketnews/stockdetail/?symbol=GOOG> ,Microsoft<http://washpost.bloomberg.com/marketnews/stockdetail/?symbol=MSFT> and other tech giants who say a free-for-all WiFi service would spark an explosion of innovations and devices that would benefit most Americans, especially the poor." On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 2:22 PM, Daniel Obam <daniel_obam@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ng'ethe, In other jurisdictions where this is being trialled, a white space device will not be authourised to start transmitting until getting clearance from an online database qualified by Sector Regulator. This database is expected to provide updated information on where the white spaces are and the power level that devices would need to be restricted to if they wanted to use them(i.e. white spaces).
It would be interesting to know if such a database has been established in Kenya to help mitigate against interference with other existing and planned services should the pilot ever qualify to be upgraded to commercial use.
Also recall that the "white spaces" were meant to refer to the guard bands between TV channels in the TV broadcasting bands; therefore the migration from analogue to digital TV broadcasting and the allocation and use of the "Digital Dividend ( 1st and 2nd dividend)" will impact on how this white space experiment eventually pans out. Regards Daniel Obam Communications Radio Technology Expert National Communications Secretariat 9th Floor TRANSCOM House, Ngong Rd P.O. Box 10756- 00100 GPO NAIROBI, KENYA Tel. +254202719953, Fax +254202716515 Mobile: +254722519889
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Mark,listers It is a pilot project using new technology and in my view the regulator would take an interest and determine if there is need for any regulatory intervention.
John Kariuki. Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Hi Brian, On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
Please take note that this saga is playing out in the USA with traditional telcos fighting to protect their turf while former content companies threaten survival of the telcos.
Some of the telcos are of 2 minds on this one, as they could offload lots of traffic onto wifi and save money.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/tech-telecom-giants-take-s...
Excerpt: "The federal government wants to create super WiFi networks across the nation
The FCC wants other people to create these networks is the reality. I doubt many would actually provide free (no cost) open wifi, altho that is the dream for many of us. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
Mark, We are working on a pilot project with the regulator's knowledge. Once the technology is mature, then it can be commercialized. It is the Ministry that sought for the approval from CCK after signing an MOU with Microsoft and Indigo to try in remote parts of this country. The technology promises cheaper internet if successiful. It is also being tested in the UK under similar arrangements. Ndemo.
Came across this and in light of recent happenings I am curious to know the regulators opinion on this and what technology these guys are actually using.
http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/news-releases/microsoft-teams-with-the-governmen...
Why isn't using white space (which I assume is intentionally unallocated spectrum) mainstream?
Am I missing something?
-- Regards,
Mark Mwangi
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Thank you for your responses. At least the government is onboard. I thought LTE was also to use the same freed up spectrum or there are enough frequencies to accomodate both? If better utilisation of the frequencies is the goal then this switching off fiasco needs to be sorted out soon. I have a feeling we are loosing more than we are gaining by stifling progress. On Wednesday, 6 February 2013, wrote:
Mark, We are working on a pilot project with the regulator's knowledge. Once the technology is mature, then it can be commercialized. It is the Ministry that sought for the approval from CCK after signing an MOU with Microsoft and Indigo to try in remote parts of this country. The technology promises cheaper internet if successiful. It is also being tested in the UK under similar arrangements.
Ndemo.
Came across this and in light of recent happenings I am curious to know the regulators opinion on this and what technology these guys are actually using.
http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/news-releases/microsoft-teams-with-the-governmen...
Why isn't using white space (which I assume is intentionally unallocated spectrum) mainstream?
Am I missing something?
-- Regards,
Mark Mwangi
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This is great work and thinking. But we need a clear frequency management plan. Such a plan will make current groups holding on some frequencies to understand how they are selfish and blocking sustainable development of all regions of the country. HENRY O. MAINA DIRECTOR ARTICLE 19 KENYA/EASTERN AFRICA P O BOX 2653,00100 NAIROBI TEL:+254 (20) 3862230/2 FAX:+254 (20) 3862231 EMAIL: henry@article19.org ________________________________________ From: kictanet [kictanet-bounces+henry=article19.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke] on behalf of Mark Mwangi [mwangy@gmail.com] Sent: 06 February 2013 10:24 AM To: Henry Maina Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Use of TV white space by Indigo and Microsoft Thank you for your responses. At least the government is onboard. I thought LTE was also to use the same freed up spectrum or there are enough frequencies to accomodate both? If better utilisation of the frequencies is the goal then this switching off fiasco needs to be sorted out soon. I have a feeling we are loosing more than we are gaining by stifling progress. On Wednesday, 6 February 2013, wrote: Mark, We are working on a pilot project with the regulator's knowledge. Once the technology is mature, then it can be commercialized. It is the Ministry that sought for the approval from CCK after signing an MOU with Microsoft and Indigo to try in remote parts of this country. The technology promises cheaper internet if successiful. It is also being tested in the UK under similar arrangements. Ndemo.
Came across this and in light of recent happenings I am curious to know the regulators opinion on this and what technology these guys are actually using.
http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/news-releases/microsoft-teams-with-the-governmen...
Why isn't using white space (which I assume is intentionally unallocated spectrum) mainstream?
Am I missing something?
-- Regards,
Mark Mwangi
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Hi all, A few notes on TV White Spaces spectrum. While it does involve television spectrum, it is not directly related nor dependent on the transition from analogue to digital broadcasting. This is a common misunderstanding. Television white spaces refers to the guard bands left between analogue television broadcast channels in order to prevent interference. TV White Spaces technology is capable of serendipitously re-using that empty spectrum without interfering with existing television broadcast. The initial vision was that through spectrum sensing, the devices would automatically use whatever empty spectrum was available, as a *secondary* user. That means if a television signal suddenly turn on in a frequency being used by a TV White Spaces device, it would automatically cease using that frequency and find another empty frequency to use. The broadcast and wireless microphone industry in the U.S. were unsatisfied with this solution and the idea of an authentication database was introduced whereby TV White Spaces devices would need to authentication against a spectrum database to see what spectrum was available for use in the area it was being used. Very low power TV White Spaces devices are still allowed to use just spectrum sensing. In general TV White Spaces regulation in the US has been the victim of massive lobbying and the result is some extremely hamstrung regulation. The UK has largely followed the US regulation with one significant improvement. The power output level of the devices is not fixed but can be dictated by the settings in the authentication database. This means that higher power output levels could be assigned in sparsely populated rural areas versus areas where there are many other spectrum users. What is exciting about this technology? 1) No spectrum license required or at least a very nominal one. This means new opportunities for small entrepreneurs to provide alternative access. 2) Great propagation. A typical TV White Spaces link can go 10km without any effort and is not obstructed by trees, buildings, etc. 3) Innovation. WiFi has gone from a niche spectrum for experiments to a multi-billion dollar industry. As many WiFi chipsets shipped last year as mobile phones. 70% of smartphone data traffic in the US goes over WiFi. This is what open spectrum offers. TV White Spaces has the potential to be another such industry because of the low barrier to entry. 4) No spectrum re-farming required. Because TV White Spaces technology is designed for *secondary* use of spectrum, there is no need to move the primary spectrum holder. This is a quick and easy win. Conflicts can be easily resolved by the regulator thanks to the authentication database. Does this interfere with new mobile frequencies? No. Here's how it breaks down. TV spectrum is basically VHF and UHF. VHF (Band III: 174 - 230 MHz) and UHF (Bands IV and V: 470 - 862 MHz). In most African countries digital broadcasting could be managed within the VHF band. This is not true during a dual illumination period and if digital broadcasting takes off, it could move into the lower end of the UHF band. At the World Radio Congress (WRC-12) last year, there was confirmation of 790-862MHz (popularly known as the 800MHz band) as a global IMT band. There was also a move by some African countries to have the 694-790MHz band (popularly known as the 700MHz band) made available in Region 1 (Africa and Europe) on an accelerated basis, probably because there are lots of CDMA players already in the 800MHz band. 700MHz is likely to be confirmed as an IMT band for Region 1 at the WRC in 2015. This leaves plenty of space between 470 and 694MHz for TV White Spaces. Do we have to guess how much? No. TV White Spaces just uses what is available. If digital broadcasters need more UHF spectrum, no problem. It can be managed dynamically. Spectrum re-farming typically takes years (like 10-20 years) because of all of the entrenched interests. Just look at the digital switch-over for a case in point. TV White Spaces is a drop-dead easy way to create new opportunities for rural access. Kudos to Mr. Ndemo for pushing this forward. We held a workshop on TV White Spaces in late 2011 ( http://www.openspectrum.org.za/tvwss-africa-workshop/) to which the CCK were invited and attended but which was received with a high degree of scepticism. TV White Spaces are finally gaining traction however. Google is sponsoring a pilot in South Africa ( http://www.tenet.ac.za/about-us/the-cape-town-tv-white-spaces-trial/) and I have heard that pilots are being explored in Uganda, Nigeria, and Malawi. This is going to be big and it is going to be great for both innovation and entrepreneurship. Regards... Steve Song P.S. And yes a clear frequency plan is essential. What would be absolutely amazing would be to see Kenyan spectrum allocation and assignments published as Open Data (https://opendata.go.ke). I think that would be not just an African first but possibly a global first. Spectrum belongs to all of us, we ought to be transparent about it. :-) On 6 February 2013 03:49, Henry Maina <henry@article19.org> wrote:
This is great work and thinking. But we need a clear frequency management plan. Such a plan will make current groups holding on some frequencies to understand how they are selfish and blocking sustainable development of all regions of the country.
HENRY O. MAINA DIRECTOR ARTICLE 19 KENYA/EASTERN AFRICA P O BOX 2653,00100 NAIROBI TEL:+254 (20) 3862230/2 FAX:+254 (20) 3862231 EMAIL: henry@article19.org
________________________________________ From: kictanet [kictanet-bounces+henry=article19.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke] on behalf of Mark Mwangi [mwangy@gmail.com] Sent: 06 February 2013 10:24 AM To: Henry Maina Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Use of TV white space by Indigo and Microsoft
Thank you for your responses. At least the government is onboard. I thought LTE was also to use the same freed up spectrum or there are enough frequencies to accomodate both? If better utilisation of the frequencies is the goal then this switching off fiasco needs to be sorted out soon. I have a feeling we are loosing more than we are gaining by stifling progress.
On Wednesday, 6 February 2013, wrote: Mark, We are working on a pilot project with the regulator's knowledge. Once the technology is mature, then it can be commercialized. It is the Ministry that sought for the approval from CCK after signing an MOU with Microsoft and Indigo to try in remote parts of this country. The technology promises cheaper internet if successiful. It is also being tested in the UK under similar arrangements.
Ndemo.
Came across this and in light of recent happenings I am curious to know the regulators opinion on this and what technology these guys are actually using.
http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/news-releases/microsoft-teams-with-the-governmen...
Why isn't using white space (which I assume is intentionally unallocated spectrum) mainstream?
Am I missing something?
-- Regards,
Mark Mwangi
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Hi, Thanks Steve, for that very informative contribution. It is my prayer that many African countries can cut through the hype and take advantage of these benefits in the name of access for all. I would also like to encourage CCK (have bcc'd some of my contacts there) to provide the open data platform with our national frequency table (which I believe is in the public domain). Best regards, Brian On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 6:18 PM, Song, Stephen <stephen.song@gmail.com>wrote:
Hi all,
A few notes on TV White Spaces spectrum.
While it does involve television spectrum, it is not directly related nor dependent on the transition from analogue to digital broadcasting. This is a common misunderstanding. Television white spaces refers to the guard bands left between analogue television broadcast channels in order to prevent interference. TV White Spaces technology is capable of serendipitously re-using that empty spectrum without interfering with existing television broadcast. The initial vision was that through spectrum sensing, the devices would automatically use whatever empty spectrum was available, as a *secondary* user. That means if a television signal suddenly turn on in a frequency being used by a TV White Spaces device, it would automatically cease using that frequency and find another empty frequency to use. The broadcast and wireless microphone industry in the U.S. were unsatisfied with this solution and the idea of an authentication database was introduced whereby TV White Spaces devices would need to authentication against a spectrum database to see what spectrum was available for use in the area it was being used. Very low power TV White Spaces devices are still allowed to use just spectrum sensing. In general TV White Spaces regulation in the US has been the victim of massive lobbying and the result is some extremely hamstrung regulation.
The UK has largely followed the US regulation with one significant improvement. The power output level of the devices is not fixed but can be dictated by the settings in the authentication database. This means that higher power output levels could be assigned in sparsely populated rural areas versus areas where there are many other spectrum users.
What is exciting about this technology?
1) No spectrum license required or at least a very nominal one. This means new opportunities for small entrepreneurs to provide alternative access. 2) Great propagation. A typical TV White Spaces link can go 10km without any effort and is not obstructed by trees, buildings, etc. 3) Innovation. WiFi has gone from a niche spectrum for experiments to a multi-billion dollar industry. As many WiFi chipsets shipped last year as mobile phones. 70% of smartphone data traffic in the US goes over WiFi. This is what open spectrum offers. TV White Spaces has the potential to be another such industry because of the low barrier to entry. 4) No spectrum re-farming required. Because TV White Spaces technology is designed for *secondary* use of spectrum, there is no need to move the primary spectrum holder. This is a quick and easy win. Conflicts can be easily resolved by the regulator thanks to the authentication database.
Does this interfere with new mobile frequencies? No. Here's how it breaks down.
TV spectrum is basically VHF and UHF. VHF (Band III: 174 - 230 MHz) and UHF (Bands IV and V: 470 - 862 MHz). In most African countries digital broadcasting could be managed within the VHF band. This is not true during a dual illumination period and if digital broadcasting takes off, it could move into the lower end of the UHF band. At the World Radio Congress (WRC-12) last year, there was confirmation of 790-862MHz (popularly known as the 800MHz band) as a global IMT band. There was also a move by some African countries to have the 694-790MHz band (popularly known as the 700MHz band) made available in Region 1 (Africa and Europe) on an accelerated basis, probably because there are lots of CDMA players already in the 800MHz band. 700MHz is likely to be confirmed as an IMT band for Region 1 at the WRC in 2015.
This leaves plenty of space between 470 and 694MHz for TV White Spaces. Do we have to guess how much? No. TV White Spaces just uses what is available. If digital broadcasters need more UHF spectrum, no problem. It can be managed dynamically. Spectrum re-farming typically takes years (like 10-20 years) because of all of the entrenched interests. Just look at the digital switch-over for a case in point. TV White Spaces is a drop-dead easy way to create new opportunities for rural access.
Kudos to Mr. Ndemo for pushing this forward. We held a workshop on TV White Spaces in late 2011 ( http://www.openspectrum.org.za/tvwss-africa-workshop/) to which the CCK were invited and attended but which was received with a high degree of scepticism.
TV White Spaces are finally gaining traction however. Google is sponsoring a pilot in South Africa ( http://www.tenet.ac.za/about-us/the-cape-town-tv-white-spaces-trial/) and I have heard that pilots are being explored in Uganda, Nigeria, and Malawi. This is going to be big and it is going to be great for both innovation and entrepreneurship.
Regards... Steve Song
P.S. And yes a clear frequency plan is essential. What would be absolutely amazing would be to see Kenyan spectrum allocation and assignments published as Open Data (https://opendata.go.ke). I think that would be not just an African first but possibly a global first. Spectrum belongs to all of us, we ought to be transparent about it. :-)
On 6 February 2013 03:49, Henry Maina <henry@article19.org> wrote:
This is great work and thinking. But we need a clear frequency management plan. Such a plan will make current groups holding on some frequencies to understand how they are selfish and blocking sustainable development of all regions of the country.
HENRY O. MAINA DIRECTOR ARTICLE 19 KENYA/EASTERN AFRICA P O BOX 2653,00100 NAIROBI TEL:+254 (20) 3862230/2 FAX:+254 (20) 3862231 EMAIL: henry@article19.org
________________________________________ From: kictanet [kictanet-bounces+henry=article19.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke] on behalf of Mark Mwangi [mwangy@gmail.com] Sent: 06 February 2013 10:24 AM To: Henry Maina Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Use of TV white space by Indigo and Microsoft
Thank you for your responses. At least the government is onboard. I thought LTE was also to use the same freed up spectrum or there are enough frequencies to accomodate both? If better utilisation of the frequencies is the goal then this switching off fiasco needs to be sorted out soon. I have a feeling we are loosing more than we are gaining by stifling progress.
On Wednesday, 6 February 2013, wrote: Mark, We are working on a pilot project with the regulator's knowledge. Once the technology is mature, then it can be commercialized. It is the Ministry that sought for the approval from CCK after signing an MOU with Microsoft and Indigo to try in remote parts of this country. The technology promises cheaper internet if successiful. It is also being tested in the UK under similar arrangements.
Ndemo.
Came across this and in light of recent happenings I am curious to know the regulators opinion on this and what technology these guys are actually using.
http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/news-releases/microsoft-teams-with-the-governmen...
Why isn't using white space (which I assume is intentionally unallocated spectrum) mainstream?
Am I missing something?
-- Regards,
Mark Mwangi
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It's great to see Malcom Brew (formerly of Bushnet - one of the first ISPs in East Africa with their base in Uganda) "back in the game" as "Chief Fundi" of Indigo Telecom - who are implementing partners for the Mawingu project. https://www.dropbox.com/s/p7gv4fn3h7fknu3/Mawingu_Microsoft_Master-preview.m... I love the way they talk about a "waterfall of knowledge" being made available to rural communities via the 4Afrika initiative. Brian On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 6:18 PM, Song, Stephen <stephen.song@gmail.com>wrote:
Hi all,
A few notes on TV White Spaces spectrum.
While it does involve television spectrum, it is not directly related nor dependent on the transition from analogue to digital broadcasting. This is a common misunderstanding. Television white spaces refers to the guard bands left between analogue television broadcast channels in order to prevent interference. TV White Spaces technology is capable of serendipitously re-using that empty spectrum without interfering with existing television broadcast. The initial vision was that through spectrum sensing, the devices would automatically use whatever empty spectrum was available, as a *secondary* user. That means if a television signal suddenly turn on in a frequency being used by a TV White Spaces device, it would automatically cease using that frequency and find another empty frequency to use. The broadcast and wireless microphone industry in the U.S. were unsatisfied with this solution and the idea of an authentication database was introduced whereby TV White Spaces devices would need to authentication against a spectrum database to see what spectrum was available for use in the area it was being used. Very low power TV White Spaces devices are still allowed to use just spectrum sensing. In general TV White Spaces regulation in the US has been the victim of massive lobbying and the result is some extremely hamstrung regulation.
The UK has largely followed the US regulation with one significant improvement. The power output level of the devices is not fixed but can be dictated by the settings in the authentication database. This means that higher power output levels could be assigned in sparsely populated rural areas versus areas where there are many other spectrum users.
What is exciting about this technology?
1) No spectrum license required or at least a very nominal one. This means new opportunities for small entrepreneurs to provide alternative access. 2) Great propagation. A typical TV White Spaces link can go 10km without any effort and is not obstructed by trees, buildings, etc. 3) Innovation. WiFi has gone from a niche spectrum for experiments to a multi-billion dollar industry. As many WiFi chipsets shipped last year as mobile phones. 70% of smartphone data traffic in the US goes over WiFi. This is what open spectrum offers. TV White Spaces has the potential to be another such industry because of the low barrier to entry. 4) No spectrum re-farming required. Because TV White Spaces technology is designed for *secondary* use of spectrum, there is no need to move the primary spectrum holder. This is a quick and easy win. Conflicts can be easily resolved by the regulator thanks to the authentication database.
Does this interfere with new mobile frequencies? No. Here's how it breaks down.
TV spectrum is basically VHF and UHF. VHF (Band III: 174 - 230 MHz) and UHF (Bands IV and V: 470 - 862 MHz). In most African countries digital broadcasting could be managed within the VHF band. This is not true during a dual illumination period and if digital broadcasting takes off, it could move into the lower end of the UHF band. At the World Radio Congress (WRC-12) last year, there was confirmation of 790-862MHz (popularly known as the 800MHz band) as a global IMT band. There was also a move by some African countries to have the 694-790MHz band (popularly known as the 700MHz band) made available in Region 1 (Africa and Europe) on an accelerated basis, probably because there are lots of CDMA players already in the 800MHz band. 700MHz is likely to be confirmed as an IMT band for Region 1 at the WRC in 2015.
This leaves plenty of space between 470 and 694MHz for TV White Spaces. Do we have to guess how much? No. TV White Spaces just uses what is available. If digital broadcasters need more UHF spectrum, no problem. It can be managed dynamically. Spectrum re-farming typically takes years (like 10-20 years) because of all of the entrenched interests. Just look at the digital switch-over for a case in point. TV White Spaces is a drop-dead easy way to create new opportunities for rural access.
Kudos to Mr. Ndemo for pushing this forward. We held a workshop on TV White Spaces in late 2011 ( http://www.openspectrum.org.za/tvwss-africa-workshop/) to which the CCK were invited and attended but which was received with a high degree of scepticism.
TV White Spaces are finally gaining traction however. Google is sponsoring a pilot in South Africa ( http://www.tenet.ac.za/about-us/the-cape-town-tv-white-spaces-trial/) and I have heard that pilots are being explored in Uganda, Nigeria, and Malawi. This is going to be big and it is going to be great for both innovation and entrepreneurship.
Regards... Steve Song
P.S. And yes a clear frequency plan is essential. What would be absolutely amazing would be to see Kenyan spectrum allocation and assignments published as Open Data (https://opendata.go.ke). I think that would be not just an African first but possibly a global first. Spectrum belongs to all of us, we ought to be transparent about it. :-)
On 6 February 2013 03:49, Henry Maina <henry@article19.org> wrote:
This is great work and thinking. But we need a clear frequency management plan. Such a plan will make current groups holding on some frequencies to understand how they are selfish and blocking sustainable development of all regions of the country.
HENRY O. MAINA DIRECTOR ARTICLE 19 KENYA/EASTERN AFRICA P O BOX 2653,00100 NAIROBI TEL:+254 (20) 3862230/2 FAX:+254 (20) 3862231 EMAIL: henry@article19.org
________________________________________ From: kictanet [kictanet-bounces+henry=article19.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke] on behalf of Mark Mwangi [mwangy@gmail.com] Sent: 06 February 2013 10:24 AM To: Henry Maina Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Use of TV white space by Indigo and Microsoft
Thank you for your responses. At least the government is onboard. I thought LTE was also to use the same freed up spectrum or there are enough frequencies to accomodate both? If better utilisation of the frequencies is the goal then this switching off fiasco needs to be sorted out soon. I have a feeling we are loosing more than we are gaining by stifling progress.
On Wednesday, 6 February 2013, wrote: Mark, We are working on a pilot project with the regulator's knowledge. Once the technology is mature, then it can be commercialized. It is the Ministry that sought for the approval from CCK after signing an MOU with Microsoft and Indigo to try in remote parts of this country. The technology promises cheaper internet if successiful. It is also being tested in the UK under similar arrangements.
Ndemo.
Came across this and in light of recent happenings I am curious to know the regulators opinion on this and what technology these guys are actually using.
http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/news-releases/microsoft-teams-with-the-governmen...
Why isn't using white space (which I assume is intentionally unallocated spectrum) mainstream?
Am I missing something?
-- Regards,
Mark Mwangi
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Dr Ndemo, +1 This will aid the Rural Internet requirements. How can we get involved in the POC as we can add value from our partnership and technology from Visual Unity, who recently recognised with a Red Herring Global 100 for their Mobile innovation. Best Regards, Baiju Shah Managing Partner Visual Unity Africa Tel. 0787332247 Sent from my iPad On 6 Feb 2013, at 09:20, bitange@jambo.co.ke wrote:
Mark, We are working on a pilot project with the regulator's knowledge. Once the technology is mature, then it can be commercialized. It is the Ministry that sought for the approval from CCK after signing an MOU with Microsoft and Indigo to try in remote parts of this country. The technology promises cheaper internet if successiful. It is also being tested in the UK under similar arrangements.
Ndemo.
Came across this and in light of recent happenings I am curious to know the regulators opinion on this and what technology these guys are actually using.
http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/news-releases/microsoft-teams-with-the-governmen...
Why isn't using white space (which I assume is intentionally unallocated spectrum) mainstream?
Am I missing something?
-- Regards,
Mark Mwangi
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Baiju Shah -
bitange＠jambo.co.ke -
Brian Munyao Longwe -
Daniel Obam -
Dennis Kioko -
Henry Maina -
Mark Mwangi -
McTim -
Moses M.G -
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Song, Stephen