Biometric Voter Registration
Listers, I was curious about the biometric voter registration kit and what all the fuss was about. My expectation was that this will be the state of the art stuff I have seen at exhibitions like Cartes, to my astonishment, I found that these kits include a low end Dell laptop, cheap camera, 4-4-2 finger print scanner, battery pack and it is not pretty to look at. Have we got good value for money is a big question mark? Have enhanced the local IT capability with such a project, it was procured from France.nope, it is a missed opportunity. Are we going to get 5 -10 individuals within the country who have the claim that understand the biometrics and the security requirements have the know-how to maintain these systems in country or we have still import in the expertise. We struggle to defend our ecommerce properties, how will we do with the voter lists? The procurement has been chaos, they are still going to purchase indelible ink, you have a biometric register therefore there is no need to get the toxic chemicals on the public's fingers. India did their EID project and the cost per registration (this has a higher security and durability needs then a voter registration) was under U$2.00 including the issue of a NFC card and labour, in our case the cost per registration, I assume 18m voters is $51 (if my maths is right) plus the administration cost, I am hoping to get my point across, we are really not benchmarking and maximising the use of the available resources, knowledge and for us to become a world class destination to deliver and export ICT products out of this country is not going to happen at this rate. We hire consultants from various big brands who and no or little experience of the a real life project except being able to put pretty presentation together, let us benchmark against the best and work out a roadmap that could enable us to deliver very good value for money. Thanks. Baiju Shah Managing Partner Telemedia Africa Ltd Nairobi, Kenya. Tel. +254 701691570 Email: baiju@tele2media.com
Hey Baiju, India is probably not a good example as they have economies of scale, i.e approx. 500 million voters against our 18m? Nevertheless, with these kind of systems most of the price is carried in the software (front end/back end) and the encryption. Best regards, Brian cell: +254715964281 On Dec 18, 2012 3:23 AM, "Baiju Shah" <baiju@tele2media.com> wrote:
Listers, ****
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I was curious about the biometric voter registration kit and what all the fuss was about. My expectation was that this will be the state of the art stuff I have seen at exhibitions like Cartes, to my astonishment, I found that these kits include a low end Dell laptop, cheap camera, 4-4-2 finger print scanner, battery pack and it is not pretty to look at. Have we got good value for money is a big question mark? Have enhanced the local IT capability with such a project, it was procured from France…nope, it is a missed opportunity. Are we going to get 5 -10 individuals within the country who have the claim that understand the biometrics and the security requirements have the know-how to maintain these systems in country or we have still import in the expertise. We struggle to defend our ecommerce properties, how will we do with the voter lists? The procurement has been chaos, they are still going to purchase indelible ink, you have a biometric register therefore there is no need to get the toxic chemicals on the public’s fingers. ****
** **
India did their EID project and the cost per registration (this has a higher security and durability needs then a voter registration) was under U$2.00 including the issue of a NFC card and labour, in our case the cost per registration, I assume 18m voters is $51 (if my maths is right) plus the administration cost, I am hoping to get my point across, we are really not benchmarking and maximising the use of the available resources, knowledge and for us to become a world class destination to deliver and export ICT products out of this country is not going to happen at this rate. We hire consultants from various big brands who and no or little experience of the a real life project except being able to put pretty presentation together, let us benchmark against the best and work out a roadmap that could enable us to deliver very good value for money.****
** **
Thanks.****
** **
Baiju Shah****
Managing Partner****
Telemedia Africa Ltd****
Nairobi,****
Kenya.****
Tel. +254 701691570****
Email: baiju@tele2media.com****
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On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 4:11 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote: [....]
Nevertheless, with these kind of systems most of the price is carried in the software (front end/back end) and the encryption.
+1. Hardware's cheap, and tech advances have made it possible to run highly specialized applications on commodity hardware. It's the software that counts (and costs). Out of curiousity though, Baiju, what kind of hardware would you have expected to see? Regards, Steve
Also remember the kits were needed in months, barely enough time to come up with "our own" solution and make sure it runs smoothly.
Borrowed..... IEBC looks at its budget and estimates they meed kshs 3billion for biometric voter registration (BVR) kits. They ask treasury for the k but it says there is no k. IEBC decides they will do manual registration. Cabinet meets and decides BVR must be done otherwise there will be bloodshed and Kenya will loose more than 3B. It promises IEBC the k but does not tell treasury where the k is coming from. treasury cannot make money the way idi amin did in UG. IEBC does its tendering and a local indian company 'symphony' emerges top with 4B. Since in this new dispensation everyone can talk and bicker around, the media make a frenzy and say there must have been some bribing. We waste two moth with generating chippy chappy talk and eventually IEBC cancels the tendering process and says it will go manual. Again, cabinet meets and decides we must go BVR. They tell IEBC not to worry as they will do a Govt to Govt deal with canada. In the Govt to Govt deal, all Kenya does is tell canada to do the procurement process for Kenya. Canada ups the specs and only invites canadian firms to tender( I mean Canada is for canadians. Not indians). The new bill comes to 7B. The Govt is told to pay upfront. Its bila K. kits cannot be released on time. IEBC says its going manual. Cabinet meets and refuses. Treasury shows cabinet that there is no k in the kitty. Cabinet decides to borrow with interest from Standard Bank. In the end we get kits at 9B ..and have wasted a lot of valuable time bickering... this is kenya On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:05 AM, Baiju Shah <baiju@tele2media.com> wrote:
Listers, ****
** **
I was curious about the biometric voter registration kit and what all the fuss was about. My expectation was that this will be the state of the art stuff I have seen at exhibitions like Cartes, to my astonishment, I found that these kits include a low end Dell laptop, cheap camera, 4-4-2 finger print scanner, battery pack and it is not pretty to look at. Have we got good value for money is a big question mark? Have enhanced the local IT capability with such a project, it was procured from France…nope, it is a missed opportunity. Are we going to get 5 -10 individuals within the country who have the claim that understand the biometrics and the security requirements have the know-how to maintain these systems in country or we have still import in the expertise. We struggle to defend our ecommerce properties, how will we do with the voter lists? The procurement has been chaos, they are still going to purchase indelible ink, you have a biometric register therefore there is no need to get the toxic chemicals on the public’s fingers. ****
** **
India did their EID project and the cost per registration (this has a higher security and durability needs then a voter registration) was under U$2.00 including the issue of a NFC card and labour, in our case the cost per registration, I assume 18m voters is $51 (if my maths is right) plus the administration cost, I am hoping to get my point across, we are really not benchmarking and maximising the use of the available resources, knowledge and for us to become a world class destination to deliver and export ICT products out of this country is not going to happen at this rate. We hire consultants from various big brands who and no or little experience of the a real life project except being able to put pretty presentation together, let us benchmark against the best and work out a roadmap that could enable us to deliver very good value for money.****
** **
Thanks.****
** **
Baiju Shah****
Managing Partner****
Telemedia Africa Ltd****
Nairobi,****
Kenya.****
Tel. +254 701691570****
Email: baiju@tele2media.com****
** **
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Dorcas, +1 from a 3b --> 9b cost is an interesting situation. Canadians only provided a guarantee, that gave them an exclusive on the contract and the cost is triple. Some on the shortlist should have not been on that list considering their track record. Again, my point is the I = Independent or interdependent? Will this provide a platform fair elections, it is a question mark. Will my details be protected on this database? Why do we leave such issues to a last minute that we have to settle for kits that are no fit for purpose or is this going to be one of use? I am just astonished by the whole procurement, we know that we are going to have an election, why do we wait for the last minute to tender and not have included the appeals period, what is the intent here? Best Regards, Baiju On 18 December 2012 12:39, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
Borrowed.....
IEBC looks at its budget and estimates they meed kshs 3billion for biometric voter registration (BVR) kits. They ask treasury for the k but it says there is no k. IEBC decides they will do manual registration. Cabinet meets and decides BVR must be done otherwise there will be bloodshed and Kenya will loose more than 3B. It promises IEBC the k but does not tell treasury where the k is coming from. treasury cannot make money the way idi amin did in UG.
IEBC does its tendering and a local indian company 'symphony' emerges top with 4B. Since in this new dispensation everyone can talk and bicker around, the media make a frenzy and say there must have been some bribing. We waste two moth with generating chippy chappy talk and eventually IEBC cancels the tendering process and says it will go manual. Again, cabinet meets and decides we must go BVR. They tell IEBC not to worry as they will do a Govt to Govt deal with canada.
In the Govt to Govt deal, all Kenya does is tell canada to do the procurement process for Kenya. Canada ups the specs and only invites canadian firms to tender( I mean Canada is for canadians. Not indians). The new bill comes to 7B. The Govt is told to pay upfront. Its bila K. kits cannot be released on time. IEBC says its going manual. Cabinet meets and refuses. Treasury shows cabinet that there is no k in the kitty. Cabinet decides to borrow with interest from Standard Bank.
In the end we get kits at 9B ..and have wasted a lot of valuable time bickering... this is kenya
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:05 AM, Baiju Shah <baiju@tele2media.com> wrote:
Listers, ****
** **
I was curious about the biometric voter registration kit and what all the fuss was about. My expectation was that this will be the state of the art stuff I have seen at exhibitions like Cartes, to my astonishment, I found that these kits include a low end Dell laptop, cheap camera, 4-4-2 finger print scanner, battery pack and it is not pretty to look at. Have we got good value for money is a big question mark? Have enhanced the local IT capability with such a project, it was procured from France…nope, it is a missed opportunity. Are we going to get 5 -10 individuals within the country who have the claim that understand the biometrics and the security requirements have the know-how to maintain these systems in country or we have still import in the expertise. We struggle to defend our ecommerce properties, how will we do with the voter lists? The procurement has been chaos, they are still going to purchase indelible ink, you have a biometric register therefore there is no need to get the toxic chemicals on the public’s fingers. ****
** **
India did their EID project and the cost per registration (this has a higher security and durability needs then a voter registration) was under U$2.00 including the issue of a NFC card and labour, in our case the cost per registration, I assume 18m voters is $51 (if my maths is right) plus the administration cost, I am hoping to get my point across, we are really not benchmarking and maximising the use of the available resources, knowledge and for us to become a world class destination to deliver and export ICT products out of this country is not going to happen at this rate. We hire consultants from various big brands who and no or little experience of the a real life project except being able to put pretty presentation together, let us benchmark against the best and work out a roadmap that could enable us to deliver very good value for money.****
** **
Thanks.****
** **
Baiju Shah****
Managing Partner****
Telemedia Africa Ltd****
Nairobi,****
Kenya.****
Tel. +254 701691570****
Email: baiju@tele2media.com****
** **
** **
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Interesting stuff. I always ask myself what kind of risk assessment was done on this process. What happens if say, one (or insert your number here) of the laptops is lost or stolen with the info inside it? On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Baiju Shah <baiju@tele2media.com> wrote:
Dorcas,
+1
from a 3b --> 9b cost is an interesting situation. Canadians only provided a guarantee, that gave them an exclusive on the contract and the cost is triple. Some on the shortlist should have not been on that list considering their track record. Again, my point is the I = Independent or interdependent?
Will this provide a platform fair elections, it is a question mark. Will my details be protected on this database?
Why do we leave such issues to a last minute that we have to settle for kits that are no fit for purpose or is this going to be one of use?
I am just astonished by the whole procurement, we know that we are going to have an election, why do we wait for the last minute to tender and not have included the appeals period, what is the intent here?
Best Regards, Baiju
On 18 December 2012 12:39, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
Borrowed.....
IEBC looks at its budget and estimates they meed kshs 3billion for biometric voter registration (BVR) kits. They ask treasury for the k but it says there is no k. IEBC decides they will do manual registration. Cabinet meets and decides BVR must be done otherwise there will be bloodshed and Kenya will loose more than 3B. It promises IEBC the k but does not tell treasury where the k is coming from. treasury cannot make money the way idi amin did in UG.
IEBC does its tendering and a local indian company 'symphony' emerges top with 4B. Since in this new dispensation everyone can talk and bicker around, the media make a frenzy and say there must have been some bribing. We waste two moth with generating chippy chappy talk and eventually IEBC cancels the tendering process and says it will go manual. Again, cabinet meets and decides we must go BVR. They tell IEBC not to worry as they will do a Govt to Govt deal with canada.
In the Govt to Govt deal, all Kenya does is tell canada to do the procurement process for Kenya. Canada ups the specs and only invites canadian firms to tender( I mean Canada is for canadians. Not indians). The new bill comes to 7B. The Govt is told to pay upfront. Its bila K. kits cannot be released on time. IEBC says its going manual. Cabinet meets and refuses. Treasury shows cabinet that there is no k in the kitty. Cabinet decides to borrow with interest from Standard Bank.
In the end we get kits at 9B ..and have wasted a lot of valuable time bickering... this is kenya
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:05 AM, Baiju Shah <baiju@tele2media.com> wrote:
Listers, ****
** **
I was curious about the biometric voter registration kit and what all the fuss was about. My expectation was that this will be the state of the art stuff I have seen at exhibitions like Cartes, to my astonishment, I found that these kits include a low end Dell laptop, cheap camera, 4-4-2 finger print scanner, battery pack and it is not pretty to look at. Have we got good value for money is a big question mark? Have enhanced the local IT capability with such a project, it was procured from France…nope, it is a missed opportunity. Are we going to get 5 -10 individuals within the country who have the claim that understand the biometrics and the security requirements have the know-how to maintain these systems in country or we have still import in the expertise. We struggle to defend our ecommerce properties, how will we do with the voter lists? The procurement has been chaos, they are still going to purchase indelible ink, you have a biometric register therefore there is no need to get the toxic chemicals on the public’s fingers. ****
** **
India did their EID project and the cost per registration (this has a higher security and durability needs then a voter registration) was under U$2.00 including the issue of a NFC card and labour, in our case the cost per registration, I assume 18m voters is $51 (if my maths is right) plus the administration cost, I am hoping to get my point across, we are really not benchmarking and maximising the use of the available resources, knowledge and for us to become a world class destination to deliver and export ICT products out of this country is not going to happen at this rate. We hire consultants from various big brands who and no or little experience of the a real life project except being able to put pretty presentation together, let us benchmark against the best and work out a roadmap that could enable us to deliver very good value for money.****
** **
Thanks.****
** **
Baiju Shah****
Managing Partner****
Telemedia Africa Ltd****
Nairobi,****
Kenya.****
Tel. +254 701691570****
Email: baiju@tele2media.com****
** **
** **
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On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
Borrowed.....
[Snip]
In the Govt to Govt deal, all Kenya does is tell canada to do the procurement process for Kenya. Canada ups the specs and only invites canadian firms to tender( I mean Canada is for canadians. Not indians). The new bill comes to 7B. The Govt is told to pay upfront. Its bila K. kits cannot be released on time. IEBC says its going manual. Cabinet meets and refuses. Treasury shows cabinet that there is no k in the kitty. Cabinet decides to borrow with interest from Standard Bank.
Hmm, I can sense some feline activity here! The fact cats got their way -
the hard way (as we might think), but if you did deeper, you'll uncover a well orchestrated scheme here...
In the end we get kits at 9B ..and have wasted a lot of valuable time bickering... this is kenya
Time = Money. This is a classic case of that saying. Waste time, waste money. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler.
Why are our Universities not bidding for these government projects through their enterprise companies? ________________________________ From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> To: Per-Erick Mulamba <peremul@yahoo.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Biometric Voter Registration On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote: Borrowed..... [Snip]
In the Govt to Govt deal, all Kenya does is tell canada to do the procurement process for Kenya. Canada ups the specs and only invites canadian firms to tender( I mean Canada is for canadians. Not indians). The new bill comes to 7B. The Govt is told to pay upfront. Its bila K. kits cannot be released on time. IEBC says its going manual. Cabinet meets and refuses. Treasury shows cabinet that there is no k in the kitty. Cabinet decides to borrow with interest from Standard Bank.
Hmm, I can sense some feline activity here! The fact cats got their way - the hard way (as we might think), but if you did deeper, you'll uncover a well orchestrated scheme here... In the end we get kits at 9B ..and have wasted a lot of valuable time bickering... this is kenya
Time = Money. This is a classic case of that saying. Waste time, waste money. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/peremul%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Hey Listers, We have learnt that IEBC is going to single source the ballot papers due to lack of time. The contract is going to Smith & Ouzman - was in the newspapers in mid November. The risks are high on failure As S&O have only got 20% of the required capacity, in Nigeria they split the order between 3-4 companies to spread the risk. This is an extremely high risk decision, commercial elements aside, we could have a chaotic elections. Is there any authority in Kenya that does proper risk analysis, it is clear the IEBC cannot plan. :( Happy Christmas.. Thanks, Best Regards, Baiju Shah Tele2media Ltd Telemedia Africa Ltd Tel. +44 7887691570 email: baiju@tele2media.com On 18 Dec 2012, at 17:46, Per-erick Mulamba <peremul@yahoo.com> wrote:
Why are our Universities not bidding for these government projects through their enterprise companies?
From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> To: Per-Erick Mulamba <peremul@yahoo.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Biometric Voter Registration
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote: Borrowed.....
[Snip]
In the Govt to Govt deal, all Kenya does is tell canada to do the procurement process for Kenya. Canada ups the specs and only invites canadian firms to tender( I mean Canada is for canadians. Not indians). The new bill comes to 7B. The Govt is told to pay upfront. Its bila K. kits cannot be released on time. IEBC says its going manual. Cabinet meets and refuses. Treasury shows cabinet that there is no k in the kitty. Cabinet decides to borrow with interest from Standard Bank.
Hmm, I can sense some feline activity here! The fact cats got their way - the hard way (as we might think), but if you did deeper, you'll uncover a well orchestrated scheme here...
In the end we get kits at 9B ..and have wasted a lot of valuable time bickering... this is kenya
Time = Money. This is a classic case of that saying. Waste time, waste money.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler.
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Baiju Shah -
Brian Munyao Longwe -
Dennis Kioko -
Dorcas Muthoni -
Evans Ikua -
Odhiambo Washington -
Per-erick Mulamba -
Steve Muchai