Re: [kictanet] End of Net Neutrality?
Wow! Such bitterness... I have pronounced myself on various occasions on Net Neutrality. It's unfair to say we in MOICT ignore this topic. As it stands, what position has the industry given to us policy makers? As regards the policy, it is at Cabinet awaiting approval alongside other bills and policies. It will be interesting to know how we at MOICT are playing around with your livelihoods as well.. JM On 15 Dec 2017 09:04, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Bernard The answer depends on who you ask. 1. KITOS 2. TESPOK 3. ICTAK ( That of the ICT Practitioners Bill shame) 4. KICTANET 5. KEPSA At this point your guess is as good as mine. Which brings me to the question why this case maybe. Why we don’t have an association that can engage Government meaningfully. We, all of us, have ourselves to blame. Each of us is so focused in their own little cocoons and speak with no single voice that the Mandarins and Apparatchiks at MOICT can and will continue to play around with our livelihoods. Regards *Ali Hussein* *Principal* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 <+254%20713%20601113> Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle Sent from my iPad On 15 Dec 2017, at 7:24 AM, Bernard Kioko <bkioko@bernsoft.com> wrote: Thank you Ali. Reading your response has got me wondering, as an industry which organization/association do we use to lobby ? On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 at 07:19, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Bernard
We in Africa first need to acknowledge Net Neutrality as a concept. Today ONLY one country in Africa (Senegal) has even attempted to enact policy and regulation around it. We have ways to go.
Kenya, with all our advances have turned a blind eye to it. We need to wake up. This list has consistently for the last 5 years talked about the need to address this issue from a policy and regulatory framework.
We have been met with utter silence. The first time this issue was mentioned was in the defunct/dead as a dodo/aborted ICT Policy 2016. And we know (or rather don’t know!) what happened to that document.
My take?
The free for all, do what you want and we (regulator and policy makers) will just watch helplessly coz after all Net Neutrality is a foreign concept. We don’t understand it. And neither are we bothered. Let the Googles, Facebooks and Netflixes of this world fight it out with their FCC.
It doesn’t affect us..
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On 15 Dec 2017, at 6:30 AM, Bernard Kioko via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/14/technology/net-neutrality- repeal-explainer/index.html
Interested to see thoughts on how this affects Kenya. I am thinking maybe hosting locally could avoid this, which would mean growth for local...
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Bwana Mucheru. I think what you are pointing towards is there may be a misunderstanding on these issues (from what I gather). I would guess that is what dialogue is about. The issue of the KICTANET policy has been raised in this forum and other places a number of times and there has been clouds up until this point. That resonates across very many other issues but I stand corrected on this one. Perhaps maybe there should be a lot more engagement with key stakeholders on such issues Bwana Mucheru. Sometimes silence is loud. Perhaps to begin with how can we start working out the engagement so that we avoid misunderstandings like these ones? On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Joseph Mucheru via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Wow! Such bitterness...
I have pronounced myself on various occasions on Net Neutrality. It's unfair to say we in MOICT ignore this topic. As it stands, what position has the industry given to us policy makers?
As regards the policy, it is at Cabinet awaiting approval alongside other bills and policies.
It will be interesting to know how we at MOICT are playing around with your livelihoods as well..
JM
On 15 Dec 2017 09:04, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Bernard
The answer depends on who you ask.
1. KITOS 2. TESPOK 3. ICTAK ( That of the ICT Practitioners Bill shame) 4. KICTANET 5. KEPSA
At this point your guess is as good as mine. Which brings me to the question why this case maybe. Why we don’t have an association that can engage Government meaningfully. We, all of us, have ourselves to blame. Each of us is so focused in their own little cocoons and speak with no single voice that the Mandarins and Apparatchiks at MOICT can and will continue to play around with our livelihoods.
Regards
*Ali Hussein* *Principal* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 <+254%20713%20601113>
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Skype: abu-jomo
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On 15 Dec 2017, at 7:24 AM, Bernard Kioko <bkioko@bernsoft.com> wrote:
Thank you Ali.
Reading your response has got me wondering, as an industry which organization/association do we use to lobby ? On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 at 07:19, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Bernard
We in Africa first need to acknowledge Net Neutrality as a concept. Today ONLY one country in Africa (Senegal) has even attempted to enact policy and regulation around it. We have ways to go.
Kenya, with all our advances have turned a blind eye to it. We need to wake up. This list has consistently for the last 5 years talked about the need to address this issue from a policy and regulatory framework.
We have been met with utter silence. The first time this issue was mentioned was in the defunct/dead as a dodo/aborted ICT Policy 2016. And we know (or rather don’t know!) what happened to that document.
My take?
The free for all, do what you want and we (regulator and policy makers) will just watch helplessly coz after all Net Neutrality is a foreign concept. We don’t understand it. And neither are we bothered. Let the Googles, Facebooks and Netflixes of this world fight it out with their FCC.
It doesn’t affect us..
*Ali Hussein* *Principal* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 <+254%20713%20601113>
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
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On 15 Dec 2017, at 6:30 AM, Bernard Kioko via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/14/technology/net-neutrality-re peal-explainer/index.html
Interested to see thoughts on how this affects Kenya. I am thinking maybe hosting locally could avoid this, which would mean growth for local...
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Joe Let’s be clear. This is not a personal attack on you so I’m not sure where the ‘Bitterness’ comment is coming from. This list, myself included have been very consistent on issues regarding policy. Way before you become CS. Way before. To be clear the industry expected a lot more from you on issues like Net Neutrality considering your background. You need to lead from the front which it is my humble opinion you have not. Making a personal statement on Net Neutrality doesn’t a Policy make... I’m glad you’ve brought up the Policy issue. This list again was very involved with MOICT in crafting it and making comments and suggestions. It would have been nice for you, as the CEO of the Ministry to have responded to our many requests for feedback. Like the one you just made. As to the comment on playing with our livelihoods...that was an unfortunate remark which I unequivocally apologize for. It however comes from a good place in my heart and was alluding to the fact that the MOICT now seems to think that having an ICT Practitioners’ bill is a good idea. This after the community and industry worked diligently with you and your team to defeat it earlier in the year. Lastly Bwana CS all we ask for is more engagement from you and your team. We are in this together. This is our country irrespective of our party affiliations. If some of the stuff I’ve said have rubbed you the wrong way that wasn’t the intention. The intention is to engage for the betterment of this our country Kenya. Ali Hussein Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad
On 15 Dec 2017, at 1:44 PM, Joseph Mucheru via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Wow! Such bitterness...
I have pronounced myself on various occasions on Net Neutrality. It's unfair to say we in MOICT ignore this topic. As it stands, what position has the industry given to us policy makers?
As regards the policy, it is at Cabinet awaiting approval alongside other bills and policies.
It will be interesting to know how we at MOICT are playing around with your livelihoods as well..
JM
On 15 Dec 2017 09:04, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Bernard
The answer depends on who you ask.
1. KITOS 2. TESPOK 3. ICTAK ( That of the ICT Practitioners Bill shame) 4. KICTANET 5. KEPSA
At this point your guess is as good as mine. Which brings me to the question why this case maybe. Why we don’t have an association that can engage Government meaningfully. We, all of us, have ourselves to blame. Each of us is so focused in their own little cocoons and speak with no single voice that the Mandarins and Apparatchiks at MOICT can and will continue to play around with our livelihoods.
Regards
Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle
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On 15 Dec 2017, at 7:24 AM, Bernard Kioko <bkioko@bernsoft.com> wrote:
Thank you Ali.
Reading your response has got me wondering, as an industry which organization/association do we use to lobby ?
On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 at 07:19, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote: Bernard
We in Africa first need to acknowledge Net Neutrality as a concept. Today ONLY one country in Africa (Senegal) has even attempted to enact policy and regulation around it. We have ways to go.
Kenya, with all our advances have turned a blind eye to it. We need to wake up. This list has consistently for the last 5 years talked about the need to address this issue from a policy and regulatory framework.
We have been met with utter silence. The first time this issue was mentioned was in the defunct/dead as a dodo/aborted ICT Policy 2016. And we know (or rather don’t know!) what happened to that document.
My take?
The free for all, do what you want and we (regulator and policy makers) will just watch helplessly coz after all Net Neutrality is a foreign concept. We don’t understand it. And neither are we bothered. Let the Googles, Facebooks and Netflixes of this world fight it out with their FCC.
It doesn’t affect us..
Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
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On 15 Dec 2017, at 6:30 AM, Bernard Kioko via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/14/technology/net-neutrality-repeal-explainer/i...
Interested to see thoughts on how this affects Kenya. I am thinking maybe hosting locally could avoid this, which would mean growth for local...
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Why Net Neutrality Was Repealed and How It Affects You https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/14/technology/net-neutrality-rules.html?emc=edit_th_20171215&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=60819660 On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Admin CampusCiti via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Joe
Let’s be clear. This is not a personal attack on you so I’m not sure where the ‘Bitterness’ comment is coming from.
This list, myself included have been very consistent on issues regarding policy. Way before you become CS. Way before.
To be clear the industry expected a lot more from you on issues like Net Neutrality considering your background. You need to lead from the front which it is my humble opinion you have not. Making a personal statement on Net Neutrality doesn’t a Policy make...
I’m glad you’ve brought up the Policy issue. This list again was very involved with MOICT in crafting it and making comments and suggestions. It would have been nice for you, as the CEO of the Ministry to have responded to our many requests for feedback. Like the one you just made.
As to the comment on playing with our livelihoods...that was an unfortunate remark which I unequivocally apologize for. It however comes from a good place in my heart and was alluding to the fact that the MOICT now seems to think that having an ICT Practitioners’ bill is a good idea. This after the community and industry worked diligently with you and your team to defeat it earlier in the year.
Lastly Bwana CS all we ask for is more engagement from you and your team. We are in this together. This is our country irrespective of our party affiliations. If some of the stuff I’ve said have rubbed you the wrong way that wasn’t the intention. The intention is to engage for the betterment of this our country Kenya.
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On 15 Dec 2017, at 1:44 PM, Joseph Mucheru via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Wow! Such bitterness...
I have pronounced myself on various occasions on Net Neutrality. It's unfair to say we in MOICT ignore this topic. As it stands, what position has the industry given to us policy makers?
As regards the policy, it is at Cabinet awaiting approval alongside other bills and policies.
It will be interesting to know how we at MOICT are playing around with your livelihoods as well..
JM
On 15 Dec 2017 09:04, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Bernard
The answer depends on who you ask.
1. KITOS 2. TESPOK 3. ICTAK ( That of the ICT Practitioners Bill shame) 4. KICTANET 5. KEPSA
At this point your guess is as good as mine. Which brings me to the question why this case maybe. Why we don’t have an association that can engage Government meaningfully. We, all of us, have ourselves to blame. Each of us is so focused in their own little cocoons and speak with no single voice that the Mandarins and Apparatchiks at MOICT can and will continue to play around with our livelihoods.
Regards
*Ali Hussein* *Principal* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 <+254%20713%20601113>
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
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On 15 Dec 2017, at 7:24 AM, Bernard Kioko <bkioko@bernsoft.com> wrote:
Thank you Ali.
Reading your response has got me wondering, as an industry which organization/association do we use to lobby ? On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 at 07:19, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Bernard
We in Africa first need to acknowledge Net Neutrality as a concept. Today ONLY one country in Africa (Senegal) has even attempted to enact policy and regulation around it. We have ways to go.
Kenya, with all our advances have turned a blind eye to it. We need to wake up. This list has consistently for the last 5 years talked about the need to address this issue from a policy and regulatory framework.
We have been met with utter silence. The first time this issue was mentioned was in the defunct/dead as a dodo/aborted ICT Policy 2016. And we know (or rather don’t know!) what happened to that document.
My take?
The free for all, do what you want and we (regulator and policy makers) will just watch helplessly coz after all Net Neutrality is a foreign concept. We don’t understand it. And neither are we bothered. Let the Googles, Facebooks and Netflixes of this world fight it out with their FCC.
It doesn’t affect us..
*Ali Hussein* *Principal* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 <+254%20713%20601113>
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
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On 15 Dec 2017, at 6:30 AM, Bernard Kioko via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/14/technology/net-neutrality-re peal-explainer/index.html
Interested to see thoughts on how this affects Kenya. I am thinking maybe hosting locally could avoid this, which would mean growth for local...
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@Mucheru, Last year, (2016) I participated in some research work around Net Neutrality - from an African perspective - that covered the issues in SA, Ghana, Nigeria and Kenya. The report looks at both side of the debate and you may find some of the thoughts useful @ http://www. researchictafrica.net/ publications/Other_ publications/2016_RIA_Zero- Rating_Policy_Paper_-_Much_ ado_about_nothing.pd rgdswalu. On Friday, December 15, 2017, 1:59:28 PM GMT+3, Joseph Mucheru via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Wow! Such bitterness... I have pronounced myself on various occasions on Net Neutrality. It's unfair to say we in MOICT ignore this topic. As it stands, what position has the industry given to us policy makers? As regards the policy, it is at Cabinet awaiting approval alongside other bills and policies. It will be interesting to know how we at MOICT are playing around with your livelihoods as well.. JM On 15 Dec 2017 09:04, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Bernard The answer depends on who you ask. 1. KITOS2. TESPOK 3. ICTAK ( That of the ICT Practitioners Bill shame)4. KICTANET5. KEPSA At this point your guess is as good as mine. Which brings me to the question why this case maybe. Why we don’t have an association that can engage Government meaningfully. We, all of us, have ourselves to blame. Each of us is so focused in their own little cocoons and speak with no single voice that the Mandarins and Apparatchiks at MOICT can and will continue to play around with our livelihoods. Regards Ali HusseinPrincipalHussein & Associates+254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin. com/in/alihkassim "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle Sent from my iPad On 15 Dec 2017, at 7:24 AM, Bernard Kioko <bkioko@bernsoft.com> wrote: Thank you Ali. Reading your response has got me wondering, as an industry which organization/association do we use to lobby ? On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 at 07:19, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote: Bernard We in Africa first need to acknowledge Net Neutrality as a concept. Today ONLY one country in Africa (Senegal) has even attempted to enact policy and regulation around it. We have ways to go. Kenya, with all our advances have turned a blind eye to it. We need to wake up. This list has consistently for the last 5 years talked about the need to address this issue from a policy and regulatory framework. We have been met with utter silence. The first time this issue was mentioned was in the defunct/dead as a dodo/aborted ICT Policy 2016. And we know (or rather don’t know!) what happened to that document. My take? The free for all, do what you want and we (regulator and policy makers) will just watch helplessly coz after all Net Neutrality is a foreign concept. We don’t understand it. And neither are we bothered. Let the Googles, Facebooks and Netflixes of this world fight it out with their FCC. It doesn’t affect us.. Ali HusseinPrincipalHussein & Associates+254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin. com/in/alihkassim "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle Sent from my iPad On 15 Dec 2017, at 6:30 AM, Bernard Kioko via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/ 14/technology/net-neutrality- repeal-explainer/index.html Interested to see thoughts on how this affects Kenya. 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CS Mucheru, Thank you for your reply. I like to think solutions. Bwana CS, I consider this statement a good challenge to the industry “As it stands, what position has the industry given to us policy makers?” We shall reach out to your office for some assistance in getting organized as an industry. I request that you assist us then, to the best of your ability. Kind regards Bernard Kioko On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 at 13:45, Joseph Mucheru via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Wow! Such bitterness...
I have pronounced myself on various occasions on Net Neutrality. It's unfair to say we in MOICT ignore this topic. As it stands, what position has the industry given to us policy makers?
As regards the policy, it is at Cabinet awaiting approval alongside other bills and policies.
It will be interesting to know how we at MOICT are playing around with your livelihoods as well..
JM
On 15 Dec 2017 09:04, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Bernard
The answer depends on who you ask.
1. KITOS 2. TESPOK 3. ICTAK ( That of the ICT Practitioners Bill shame) 4. KICTANET 5. KEPSA
At this point your guess is as good as mine. Which brings me to the question why this case maybe. Why we don’t have an association that can engage Government meaningfully. We, all of us, have ourselves to blame. Each of us is so focused in their own little cocoons and speak with no single voice that the Mandarins and Apparatchiks at MOICT can and will continue to play around with our livelihoods.
Regards
*Ali Hussein* *Principal* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 <+254%20713%20601113>
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle
Sent from my iPad
On 15 Dec 2017, at 7:24 AM, Bernard Kioko <bkioko@bernsoft.com> wrote:
Thank you Ali.
Reading your response has got me wondering, as an industry which organization/association do we use to lobby ? On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 at 07:19, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Bernard
We in Africa first need to acknowledge Net Neutrality as a concept. Today ONLY one country in Africa (Senegal) has even attempted to enact policy and regulation around it. We have ways to go.
Kenya, with all our advances have turned a blind eye to it. We need to wake up. This list has consistently for the last 5 years talked about the need to address this issue from a policy and regulatory framework.
We have been met with utter silence. The first time this issue was mentioned was in the defunct/dead as a dodo/aborted ICT Policy 2016. And we know (or rather don’t know!) what happened to that document.
My take?
The free for all, do what you want and we (regulator and policy makers) will just watch helplessly coz after all Net Neutrality is a foreign concept. We don’t understand it. And neither are we bothered. Let the Googles, Facebooks and Netflixes of this world fight it out with their FCC.
It doesn’t affect us..
*Ali Hussein* *Principal* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 <+254%20713%20601113>
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle
Sent from my iPad
On 15 Dec 2017, at 6:30 AM, Bernard Kioko via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/14/technology/net-neutrality-repeal-explainer/i...
Interested to see thoughts on how this affects Kenya. I am thinking maybe hosting locally could avoid this, which would mean growth for local...
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We need to have one unified ict body than many multiples grouping. That's why there are no common stand On Dec 18, 2017 9:06 AM, "Bernard Kioko via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
CS Mucheru,
Thank you for your reply. I like to think solutions. Bwana CS, I consider this statement a good challenge to the industry
“As it stands, what position has the industry given to us policy makers?”
We shall reach out to your office for some assistance in getting organized as an industry. I request that you assist us then, to the best of your ability.
Kind regards
Bernard Kioko
On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 at 13:45, Joseph Mucheru via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Wow! Such bitterness...
I have pronounced myself on various occasions on Net Neutrality. It's unfair to say we in MOICT ignore this topic. As it stands, what position has the industry given to us policy makers?
As regards the policy, it is at Cabinet awaiting approval alongside other bills and policies.
It will be interesting to know how we at MOICT are playing around with your livelihoods as well..
JM
On 15 Dec 2017 09:04, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Bernard
The answer depends on who you ask.
1. KITOS 2. TESPOK 3. ICTAK ( That of the ICT Practitioners Bill shame) 4. KICTANET 5. KEPSA
At this point your guess is as good as mine. Which brings me to the question why this case maybe. Why we don’t have an association that can engage Government meaningfully. We, all of us, have ourselves to blame. Each of us is so focused in their own little cocoons and speak with no single voice that the Mandarins and Apparatchiks at MOICT can and will continue to play around with our livelihoods.
Regards
*Ali Hussein* *Principal* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 <+254%20713%20601113>
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle
Sent from my iPad
On 15 Dec 2017, at 7:24 AM, Bernard Kioko <bkioko@bernsoft.com> wrote:
Thank you Ali.
Reading your response has got me wondering, as an industry which organization/association do we use to lobby ? On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 at 07:19, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Bernard
We in Africa first need to acknowledge Net Neutrality as a concept. Today ONLY one country in Africa (Senegal) has even attempted to enact policy and regulation around it. We have ways to go.
Kenya, with all our advances have turned a blind eye to it. We need to wake up. This list has consistently for the last 5 years talked about the need to address this issue from a policy and regulatory framework.
We have been met with utter silence. The first time this issue was mentioned was in the defunct/dead as a dodo/aborted ICT Policy 2016. And we know (or rather don’t know!) what happened to that document.
My take?
The free for all, do what you want and we (regulator and policy makers) will just watch helplessly coz after all Net Neutrality is a foreign concept. We don’t understand it. And neither are we bothered. Let the Googles, Facebooks and Netflixes of this world fight it out with their FCC.
It doesn’t affect us..
*Ali Hussein* *Principal* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 <+254%20713%20601113>
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle
Sent from my iPad
On 15 Dec 2017, at 6:30 AM, Bernard Kioko via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/14/technology/net-neutrality- repeal-explainer/index.html
Interested to see thoughts on how this affects Kenya. I am thinking maybe hosting locally could avoid this, which would mean growth for local...
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