Good one Frank, you've seen the evolution... It can be argued that there has never been an organisation that represents the interests of "technology development" companies or "technology service" companies - and these seem to be the ones increasingly that are clamouring for attention. If my memory serves me well - Gov't has made it clear "organise yourselves to speak to us with one voice or we will ignore you" Best regards, Brian On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com>wrote:
Instead of saying "KEPSA" - lets instead use Kenya ICT Federation (KIF) which in my understanding is the umbrella body to represent all ICT bodies/associations at KEPSA (which itself has other non-ICT bodies like KAM, KTA, the flower and horticulture producers (?), etcetc). Some ICT associations are now defunct or obsolete - off the top of my head I think they included Tespok, Kenya telecom dealers assoc., cyber cafe operators, csk, ITSA (standards), Kenic etc.
I think KIF can be credited with moving a few ICT issues forward between 2006 and 2009...
Do we really want to form YET another ICT body with unclear leadership structures, funding mechanisms and most of all unclear mandate?
Short version:
1) Computer Society of Kenya aka CSK originated as an association of IT Managers and existed as such for many years - it's efforts to transform into a body representing IT businesses have failed...
2) If Mr Yawe has been part of KEPSA for as long as he claims then his deliberate attempts to misinform this forum leave a bad taste...
3) If technology business owners/entrepreneurs feel that they have no representative body and want to form one - thumbs up to them
4) If Government say that as far as they know no there is no entity that they feel represents technology business/entrepreneurs, then people should listen...
Have a great week folk!
Brian
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
But what does the society do? Does it do any publicity? Engage the community? Perhaps new leadership and ideas are called for.
On Monday, March 12, 2012, S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com> wrote:
Can it be renamed ICT Society of Kenya?
If not, should an ICT Society not be formed?
Computer Society sounds do nineties.
Nowadays, most major vendors label themselves as Information
Technology
/ Services firms.
On Mar 12, 2012 8:47 AM, "Agosta Liko" <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
I think we end up with a very simple task... Join and then strengthen the Computer Society of Kenya and then lobby and organise from there
Thanks
On 3/12/12, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
@ Brian,
Thank you for the support to my post & I also agree with you that
we
need an entity to represent our interests, fortunately such an organisation exists, its called The Computer Society of Kenya" for which many of you have preferred to lambaste and ignore it.
Just a quick clarification Brian, KEPSA allows you to join as an individual person or corporate entity if there is no BMO that represents your interests, your BMO refuses to present your issues or your BMO refuses to join KEPSA. Just for your information, I had the privilege of being part of KEPSA's activities for over 3 years as the unofficial alternative to Evelyn which gives me a more stable foot to stand on than a google search result.
If you have an issue with the current office bearers then use your democratic right to replace them, if you have issues with the name then again practice your constitution right and change it, if you full it does not fully represent your interests then define your interests, but before you can do any of this things you first must join and pay your subscriptions BMO - Business "Membership" Organisation.
I wish we would all concentrate on two issues that kept being repeated by the 3 men older than me who where on the panel.
1. Stop asking the government to do for us, it will never happen (na omba serikali) 2. Read the new constitution and get up to speed on the new dispensation (we need new laws)
All the issues raised at the session are already addressed in the constitution which fortunately cannot be posted as a tweet which means that you need to down load the entire document, I have it on my Kindle (had to mention that), onto those fancy devices we walk around with and read in its entirety.
Maybe what we need is a marathon constitution reading forum, after which I am sure we shall appreciate the fact that the playing field has changed and you and I have had responsibility thrust into our faces. The constitution is already being changed as we write and as we tweet our input if not being recorded. Dr. Ndemo kept repeating the issue but as usually many of us where busy in the cloud.
For those of you who have an aversion to reading talk to me and I could get you the document in audio version.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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First of all, let me say that this response is NOT targeted at Robert Yawe - though it addresses one of the main issues that he has raised.
I have said it here before and I will say it once again. Can we please do our homework before we post scalding remarks?
Have we so quickly forgotten the genesis of KEPSA? And for those who were not there when KEPSA was being originated, is it so difficult to simply visit their website and read the first paragraph on their home page? It simply states:
"KEPSA is the apex body and single voice of the private sector, with a membership that comprises more than 60 Business Membership Organisations (BMOs) and in excess of 180 corporate organizations – and is still growing. "
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