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Hi,
I ask, if the operators of the Internet gateways decided to install a filter to delete all mail originating from .ke addresses would my raising this issue qualify as an IT issue?
BBC is selectively removing content relating to interviews of government friendly people from their web site, you decide whether my query does qualify as an IT issue, if not then I apologise to all but if it is please be man enough and apologize.
In a way this should be a wakeup call to us to look into storing content locally otherwise we are at the mercy of the rest of the world who will decide what information we can make available online.
Let the ICT policy makers look seriously at this issue, the sooner we setup data centers to make our messages available to the international community the safer for us all.
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To: robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk
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Sent: Friday, 25 January, 2008 5:03:19 AM
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I do conquer with Edith.
Lets focus on ICT issues.
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If this list is not discussing ICT issues, I think it should be closed
or
order restored.
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At / À 12:32 25/01/2008, Odhiambo Washington wrote / a écrit:
>On Jan 25, 2008 11:17 AM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > Robert,
> >
> > Please DO NOT use derogatory language against Hon. Martha Karua.
> >
> > She a sign of women leadership which is characteristically lacking
in
> > this
> > country.
> >
> > Could you please apologize to the women of this country. Men have
> > significantly failed us in leadership in this country and we cannot
> > afford
> > to have anyone undermining women of resolve.
> >
> > --
> > Muthoni
>
>
>What was so derogatory about what Bobby said? If there was anything,
>then I believe it wasn't intentional. Prepending "phobia" to names in
>Kenya has never been derogatory though. It's sort of a culture that
>has taken roots in Kenya when there are political inclinations
>associated with an individual.
>Now, that, to me, is not derogatory.
>
>
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Hi,
It is unfortunate that your ethnicity is blinding you from the reality of the situation. Please be specific about the issues in my posting that have been negative to the Kikuyu and stop reacting.
It is disappointing that we advocate for what you deem negative to be discussed in bars and political rallies, isn't this how we got to where we are in the first place?
How many years would it take to walk from Egypt to Israel?
So why did it take 40 years for Moses, a trained astronomer, to get the children of Israel back home?
The life of a slave is the responsibility of his master, and as Cane was told you are your brothers keeper.
All the writing is on the wall and for that reason I refuse to apologize for my comments.
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Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
KEnya
Tel: +254722511225
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From: Rebecca Wanjiku <rebeccawanjiku(a)yahoo.com>
To: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: Kenya ICT Policy - kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Sent: Friday, 11 January, 2008 12:49:59 PM
Subject: Online courtesy- dont misuse this forum!!!!
Dear Yawe,
I am sure my name has given me away too but I dont care much about that.
Suffice it to say that this is not a forum for bar talk and that kind of stuff. This is a place for serious discussions. I am sure this kind of responses can make people to unsubscribe from this list, or make others start defending their political stand.
For the years I have been a member of this list, I am sure Kictanet accommodates everybody irrespective of race, ethnic background or levels of development.
This is a list with people beyond Kenya, who are interested in ICT policy and other attendant issues. If everybody came to narrate such stories online, I wonder what we will do during our free time when we are supposed to engage in idle talk.
Let us restrict this kind of talk
to political rallies and local pubs and let this forum be for serious ICT discussions. We must see beyond some of these things.
If you have any bone to pick with my contribution please reply to me directly and not to the list.
Walubengo has published guidelines on posting, I am sure he will be kind enough to re-post them just to remind ourselves how to conduct online discussions.
Best regards
Becky
Tel. 254 720 318 925
blog:http://beckyit.blogspot.com/
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From: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk>
To: Alex Gakuru <gakuru(a)gmail.com>; ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:26:09
AM
Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Election process fiasco
Hi Alex,
If your name is a definite give away and I would have been more surprised if your contribution was any different.
Do not create a storm in a tea cub, the Kikuyu should head the adage "with great power comes great responsibility". By not uplifting the livelihood of your neighbours in Eldoret, Kisumu and Kuresoi you failed in your responsibility. Yes, you are your brothers keeper do not escape your right.
Taking us back to the days of your tribes existence as gatherers (sorry they still are) you are trying to justify your abdicated responsibility. Teach your pastoral and fishing neigbours how to better their lives and this problem will solve itself.
Take Raila's hand and show him how by taking EA Spectre and the Molasses plant public is the
way of the future instead of selling everything to Trans Century. Teach Ruto that education is the land of the future, his mentor ruled us for 24 years longer than Kenyatta ruled yet Gatundu is still better off than Sacho.
It is time the Kikuyu accepted that they have misused their God given right to enrich yourselves and frustrate those you are responsible for.
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From: Alex Gakuru <gakuru(a)gmail.com>
To: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: ke-users <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>
Sent: Tuesday, 8 January, 2008 9:30:09 PM
Subject:
Re: [ke-internetusers] Election process fiasco
Greetings Robert,
Let break it down!
You mean every Kikuyu carries a "land thief" label on their forehead?
Terrible thieves of indigenous lands they should all be. Hey, what am
I saying? You live and your office is in Nairobi right? And Nairobi is
a maasai name. oops! Then we are occupying indigenous maasai land and
we should all vacate and go back to our ancestral homes to avoid
massai rungus and spears.
Step 1
Kalenjin head back to Rift Valley, Luo back to Luo-Nyanza, Kikuyus to
Central Kenya, Arabs, Waswahili back to the coast, Taita... etc etc..
all 42 communities ( or should I use tribes?)
Step 2
Before we unpack those sufurias, beddings, and bags and city life
computers and modems. History says pssst! Look over here! Sorry
Bantus, the Nigeria-Cameroon- Congo forest is where you belong you
only came here 5,000
years ago (3000 BC)
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantu#Origins> And you Nilotics get up
further north to the Sudan, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nilotic)
Cushitics back to the arab-asia origins.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Asiatic_languages>
Step 3
If you noticed above Nilotics include Maa-speaking peoples who earlier
chased you and me from their Nairobi. etc.. etc..
Step 4
Nearly forgot, Indians please the British only brought you here to
construct Her/His Majesty's EAR and you have over-stayed. Get packing
thank you very much for your labours. BTW, White Kenyans remember
Europe is where your ancestors are? Everyone
is going back home where
they belongs.
ok!
Step 5
If there are any Americans- Kenyans you go home as well. This is a
hard one because once you get there, you then retrace where you came
from because Native Americans claim that land. Australians the
Aborigine wan their land back. Spanish Mexicans the Aztecs want back
their land etc etc
Step 6
Kenya's permanent solution to the Eldoret "problem" as per Yawe has
triggered an unprecedented global migration crisis and succeeded in
removing everyone from Kenya. In other works, there is no Kenya
because Kenya was an artificial invention of some British adventurers
who have all been compelled to go back home.
Finally,
Everybody is now safely back in their home land and permanent peace
prevails all over the world?
BTW regarding, "Evelyn brought out an interesting issue, can we
digitize the land ownership patterns so that we can easily identify
prospective problem zones
before they flare up," I believe she must
have been making reference to a KDN's business proposal because she
works there and it's her job to look for new business. She's unlikely
to share it with potential competitors on the list, at least I
wouldn't:)
Nice debate, hit me!
Enjoy!
Alex
On Jan 8, 2008 8:04 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi Alex,
>
> We know the genesis of the problems in Eldoret and whichever way the
> election went the killings and displacements there would still have
taken
> place. Stop bombarding God with insincere prayers, we pray together
only to
> walk out of the judge and return to our tribal cocoons.
>
> The history and progression of the tensions in Eldoret are well known
and
> documented, it had nothing to do with the election results but Ruto
> finishing off what he begun in 1992 - 1997. Remember is the one of
the only
> known participant in a cabinet meeting who was not a minister.
>
> Give the land back to the Kalenjin it was taken away from them by the
> settlers but returned to the Kikuyu. If you want my added opinion if
you
> decide to eat a frog eat a fat juicy one, if the Kikuyu's really want
to
> remain in Eldoret let them make sure they have uninterrupted tracts
of not
> less than 100 acres and stop promising your sons and daughters that
they
> will inherit the land lets move to the new age, knowledge.
>
> Evelyn brought out an interesting issue, can we digitize the land
ownership
> patterns so that we can easily identify prospective problem zones
before
> they flare up.
>
> Lets stop useless rhetoric and apply our knowledge and skills to
better run
> this country, stop using 18th century solutions for 22nd century
problems.
> There are enough busy bodies dealing with the now and here of this
crisis we
> need a group to look 20 years ahead to make sure that the child born
in
> Eldoret, Nyeri or Kisumu today does not revert to the solutions of
todays 20
> year old.
>
> Alex, I refuse to be pulled into a discussion that I cannot provide a
> workable solution that is within my skill set. Ask me for a techie
solution
> to a problem then I am in my forte.
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Robert Yawe
> KAY System Technologies Ltd
> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> KEnya
>
> Tel: +254722511225
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Alex Gakuru <alexgakuru.lists(a)gmail.com>
> To: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk>
> Cc: ke-users <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, 8 January, 2008 12:58:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers]
Election process fiasco
>
> Robert:
>
> Firstly, I am not opposed to your
expressed opinion but only calling
> on prioritisation of issues. We are lucky to be alive and in our
> offices typing away our diverse polls opinions and offering our best
> efforts in solving problems facing our suffering brothers and
sisters.
>
> But could we at this moment in time focus all our energies on
> solidifying returning peace and calm. Hard-line political positions,
> polls details, allegations or insinuations will neither console those
> that lost their loved ones, destroyed homes, property, and
> livelihoods. Accusations will not console fellow Kenyans and
relatives
> since spending every night in the cold not because they committed any
> crime.
>
> Let us all try a very difficult thing, forgiveness. Anger is easily
> inflames and spread whereas honest forgiveness is such a difficult
> thing for us to do. But why should we all forgive in the first
place?
> some may ask.
>
> I believe forgiveness should not be to please the aggressor, not to
> gain political mileage, settle political scores, or improve ones
> public image. We should not forgive to appear righteous to appease
> our religious leaders, cultural traditions, or our families.
>
> We should forgive so that we save own selves from self-ruin. Save our
> futures from burdens of pain and grief. To break free chains of
> carrying burdens of hatred for the rest of our lives. For our
> conscience, hearts and minds to be unpolluted, pure and clear. To
> appreciate and focus on the beauty, value and to actualise sanctity
of
> life every moment that we live. And to become soldiers of life, love,
> kindness, and fairness fellow beings.
>
> What possibly could ever justify one taking the life of another? I
> simply could never find words strong enough to condemn such.
>
> Therefore, my friend, let is not tire ourselves with politicians
power
> self-interests when many are undergoing trauma. At this moment in
> time politicians interests bother me the least. Time will tell and I
> hope 10 years todays, this country will look back at this as the
> darkest cloud ever to have passed over our country.
>
> Alex
>
> On Jan 8, 2008 11:52 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > Happy new year to you all and I pray that you are all well.
> >
> > It is shocking that in this day and age we can actually have the
kind of
> > electoral fiasco that has been visited on us by the ECK and Co as
well as
> > the political parties.
> >
> > This draconian problem reared its head when the Orange house was
broken
> into
> > and the computers stolen. Hon.Nyongo's statement indicated that
the
> > objective was to steal the member register. If I needed to steal
the
> > register which from his comments was in electronic form what was
the need
> of
> > taking off with the computer. Has he ever heard of flash disks,
> external
> > hard dis drives and CD/DVD writers. Technology allows me to steal
his
> data
> > without him every knowing.
> >
> > After this issue Kivuiti dismissed the SMS service that had been
made
> > available by Telkom to enable voters confirm their details. He
even went
> to
> > the extent of saying he does not know how to send an SMS. As the
IT
> > fraternity in the country can we really escape blame for this
fiasco?
> >
> > The next time was when I saw Hon. Ruto standing at KICC and
screaming
> > himself hoarse over the forms 16 & 16A that had not been received.
It
> seems
> > he might be using a Nokia 1018 mobile phone (he actually uses a
Nokia N
> > series).
> >
> > Was it so difficult for the opposition to provide each of their
agents
> with
> > a camera equipped mobile phone that they would have used to to take
> pictures
> > of the form and also record the returning officer announcing the
results.
> > This would then have been easily sent to party head quarters.
> >
> > There are 210 or so constituencies in the country and the mobile
phones I
> am
> > talking about cost about 10,000/- each do the math.
> >
> > I ask am I the only Kenyan who is aware of such technology or is
this
> entire
> > fiasco a stage managed process. Even the EU observer teams came
equipped
> as
> > if it was the 12th Century after which they proceeded to make
unsupported
> > statements about the result that further inflamed bloodshed.
> >
> > Maybe its a techie thing to keep in our glass houses and refuse to
add
> value
> > to a process and only send around message (this one included) after
the
> > fact.
> >
> > It is re-assuring when we remember the Florida fiasco but this not
> > withstanding do we really have a moral standing to point fingers
about the
> > election results?
> >
> > What will be our contribution to stopping this from being repeated
in
> > future?
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Remember Matiba and his video cameras during the good old days of
> mulolongo
> > voting?
> >
> > Robert Yawe
> > KAY System Technologies Ltd
> > Phoenix House, 6th Floor
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> > KEnya
> >
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At / À 12:32 25/01/2008, Odhiambo Washington wrote / a écrit:
>On Jan 25, 2008 11:17 AM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > Robert,
> >
> > Please DO NOT use derogatory language against Hon. Martha Karua.
> >
> > She a sign of women leadership which is characteristically lacking in this
> > country.
> >
> > Could you please apologize to the women of this country. Men have
> > significantly failed us in leadership in this country and we cannot afford
> > to have anyone undermining women of resolve.
> >
> > --
> > Muthoni
>
>
>What was so derogatory about what Bobby said? If there was anything,
>then I believe it wasn't intentional. Prepending "phobia" to names in
>Kenya has never been derogatory though. It's sort of a culture that
>has taken roots in Kenya when there are political inclinations
>associated with an individual.
>Now, that, to me, is not derogatory.
>
>
>--
>Best regards,
>Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
>Nairobi,KE
>+254733744121/+254722743223
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Hi,
I missed Hon. Martha Karua's interview on BBC HardTalk with Clay so I tried looking for a recording on the net.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b008qqjx
It is interesting that it is not available, could this be a case of censorship or is BBC also suffering from KauraPhobia?
Regards
PS. Self censorship is the worst form of fear
Robert Yawe
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was called off..........
We have been forced to postpone tomorrows Luncheon because of the mass
action called for the same date, 24th January 2008, that might result to
riots which will disrupt our meeting.
The Luncheon will STILL take place but at a date to be announced next week.
We apologize for any inconveniences.
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INTERNET LAW - EUROPEAN UNION'S CONVENTION ON CYBER CRIME (ETS NO.
185): FIRST INTERNATIONAL TREATY ON CRIMES COMMITTED VIA THE INTERNET
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The Council of Europe, along with the U.S., Canada and Japan signed a
convention on Cyber crime. The convention provides a legal framework for
the protection of society against cyber-crime. The convention stresses
adopting appropriate legislation and fostering international
co-operation in this arena. It is the first international treaty on
crimes committed via the Internet and other computer networks. In
particular, the convention deals with infringements of copyright,
computer-related fraud, child pornography and violations of network
security.
This Convention has been adopted by the Committee of Ministers of the
Council of Europe at its 109th Session (8 November 2001). 41 European
countries along with U.S., Canada and Japan have signed this convention.
The main aims and the objectives behind the convention are set out in
the preamble. The goal of the convention is to establish a fast and
effective regime of international co-operation against cybercrime. The
preamble stresses the harmonizing of the domestic criminal substantive
law elements of offenses and connected provisions in the area of
cybercrime. The convention provides for domestic criminal procedural law
powers to combat cyber crime. The law enforcement agencies can
investigate and prosecute the offenses committed by means of a computer
system or in electronic form.
*What is the structure of the convention?*
The Convention contains four chapters: (I) Use of terms; (II) Measures
to be taken at domestic level – substantive law and procedural law;
(III) International co-operation; and (IV) Final clauses.
Chapter I contains definitions for computer system, computer data and
traffic data. The convention defines "computer data" as "any
representation of facts, information or concepts in a form suitable for
processing in a computer system, including a program suitable to cause a
computer system to perform a function".
Chapter II is divided in to three sections. Section 1 covers substantive
law issues, while Section 2 deals with procedural law issues. Section 1
includes both criminal provisions and other connected provisions in the
area of computer- or computer-related crime. Section 2 states that each
party shall adopt such legislative and other measures as may be
necessary to establish the powers and procedures provided for in the
section for the purpose of specific criminal investigations or
proceedings. Along Jurisdiction provisions are established in Section 3.
Chapter III also contains provisions concerning traditional and computer
crime-related mutual assistance as well as extradition rules. Finally,
Chapter IV contains the signature and entry into force and territorial
application provisions and the effect of the convention.
*What are the various provisions incorporated in the convention relating
to computer-related fraud? *
"Computer-related forgery" and "Computer-related fraud" are included
within the definition of computer-related offenses. These offenses
typically involve the manipulation of computer system or computer data.
The convention provides that each party should adopt legislative
measures against the criminal offenses under its domestic law, when
committed intentionally and without right-- the input, alteration,
deletion, or suppression of computer data, resulting in inauthentic data
with the intent that it be considered or acted upon for legal purposes
as if it were authentic, regardless whether or not the data is directly
readable and intelligible. It is interesting to note that the convention
has also imposed a mens rea requirement. As per the convention, the
States may require an intent to defraud, or similar dishonest intent,
before criminal liability attaches.
*What are the provisions of the convention related to child pornography
transmitted via the Internet? *
•Title 3, Article 9 deals with the offenses related to child
pornography. The convention defines a minor as a person less than 18
years of age. However, individual states may create a lower age-limit,
which the convention states shall not less than 16 years. The term
"child pornography" includes pornographic material that visually depicts
a minor engaged in sexually explicit conduct; a person appearing to be a
minor engaged in sexually explicit conduct; and realistic images
representing a minor engaged in sexually explicit conduct.
The provision criminalizes various aspects of electronic production,
possession and distribution of child pornography. Producing child
pornography for the purpose of its distribution through a computer
system is an offense under the convention. Additionally, offering or
making available child pornography through a computer system;
distributing or transmitting child pornography through a computer system
comes under the purview of the convention.
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