March 2011 - KICTANet

ICT professional Development Courses-JKUAT
by joseph wafula 30 Mar '11

30 Mar '11

Please check today's Standard News Paper page 45 for the advert. Or go to www.jkuat.ac.ke/directorates/ict or call 0723124132 Regards Dr Muliaro Wafula Director,ICT JKUAT On Wed Mar 30th, 2011 5:29 AM PDT bitange(a)jambo.co.ke wrote: >I will try to explain DV value proposition then seek your input. I did the same more than two years ago but it seems not all of you recall. > >Ndemo. > > >Sent from my BlackBerry® > >-----Original Message----- >From: Collins Areba <arebacollins(a)gmail.com> >Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:41:58 >To: <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> >Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital Villages - Edwin Onchari > >I have a compromise suggestion: > >Edwin and those of us with ideas , reservations and issues to raise a thread >here and write them down. the questions, the suggestions, the complaints >etc. > >Then if there is someone that can compile them and include them as >attachments during the meeting so that content is also captured. I like the >issues raised about the viability of the DVs with respect to repayment of >the loans, i would like to hear that addressed but in an environment devoid >of emotion. > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: godera(a)skyweb.co.ke >> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 12:21:04 >> To: <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital Villages - Edwin Onchari >> >> >> Dear Dr.Ndemo, >> >> With due respect, I have read Edwin's emails and to me they sound more of a >> cry >> from a frustrated industry player seeking to understand why certain things >> occur >> the way they do. He may not necessarily be right in all his conclusions but >> I >> think it gives KICTB a chance to correct wrong perception or provide more >> information (as Paul has)on areas that are not clear to some industry >> players. >> I would like to believe that such clarification will enable the industry to >> move >> ahead with one voice and understanding. >> In my view, uninviting Edwin does not answer his queries. >> I think he has a lot of good ideas for the industry. >> Give him a chance. >> >> Gilda >> >> Quoting bitange(a)jambo.co.ke: >> >> > Robert, >> > I have carefully read all of Edwin's posts on this list and I am sorry to >> > state none is positive. I am asking you if we can uninvite him to next >> > week's meeting. There is sufficient evidence that not much will happen >> if we >> > do not have a positive attitude. >> > >> > Edwin of course has a right to see me as a public servant but in this >> meet I >> > have invited more postivists and may be boring to him. Let me have your >> > views sir. >> > >> > >> > Ndemo. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Sent from my BlackBerry® >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> >> > Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> > Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 06:32:51 >> > To: <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> >> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Update from Kenya ICT Board Bellagio, >> > Italy Summit 2011 >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> > kictanet mailing list >> > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> > >> > This message was sent to: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke >> > Unsubscribe or change your options at >> > >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> > kictanet mailing list >> > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> > >> > This message was sent to: godera(a)skyweb.co.ke >> > Unsubscribe or change your options at >> > >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/godera%40skyweb.co.ke >> > >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------- >> This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ >> >> ---------------------------------------------- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> --------------------------------------------- >> "easy access to the world" >> >>_______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> This message was sent to: arebacollins(a)gmail.com >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/arebacollins%40gmail.c… >> > > > >-- >*“The twentieth century has been characterized by three developments of >great political importance: the growth of democracy, the growth of >corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of >protecting corporate power against democracy”* > >~ Alex Carey ~ > >Tel No: 0x2af23696 > >---------------------------------------------- >This message has been scanned for viruses and >dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is >believed to be clean. >--------------------------------------------- >"easy access to the world" > >

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Re: [kictanet] Digital Villages - Edwin Onchari
by eonchari＠lynxbits.com 30 Mar '11

30 Mar '11

As Collins has suggested, I shall provide my feedback through that forum. For the "off-list" group that think I am an activist, I already hear this words from the movie "A few good men" ringing in my head.......I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather that you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand the post. Either way, I don't give a DAMN what you think you're entitled to!.... ----- Original Message ----- From: godera(a)skyweb.co.keTo: eonchari(a)lynxbits.com Cc: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: 3/30/11 6:41 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital Villages - Edwin Onchari Noted Dr.Ndemo. The ball is in Edwin's court now. Quoting bitange(a)jambo.co.ke: > Gilda, > I do not arrive at such conlusions just like that. A number if listers > interested in digital villages have written to me off list sayinhg that they > cannot participate in a meeting with "activists" and in applying the > utilitarian theory, it was only fair to propose uninvitation. > > Edwin can see me anytime for clarifications of any kind. > > Regards > > > Ndemo. > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® > > -----Original Message----- > From: godera(a)skyweb.co.ke > Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 12:21:04 > To: <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital Villages - Edwin Onchari > > > Dear Dr.Ndemo, > > With due respect, I have read Edwin's emails and to me they sound more of a > cry > from a frustrated industry player seeking to understand why certain things > occur > the way they do. He may not necessarily be right in all his conclusions but > I > think it gives KICTB a chance to correct wrong perception or provide more > information (as Paul has)on areas that are not clear to some industry > players. > I would like to believe that such clarification will enable the industry to > move > ahead with one voice and understanding. > In my view, uninviting Edwin does not answer his queries. > I think he has a lot of good ideas for the industry. > Give him a chance. > > Gilda > > Quoting bitange(a)jambo.co.ke: > > > Robert, > > I have carefully read all of Edwin's posts on this list and I am sorry to > > state none is positive. I am asking you if we can uninvite him to next > > week's meeting. There is sufficient evidence that not much will happen if > we > > do not have a positive attitude. > > > > Edwin of course has a right to see me as a public servant but in this meet > I > > have invited more postivists and may be boring to him. Let me have your > > views sir. > > > > > > Ndemo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> > > Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 06:32:51 > > To: <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> > > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Update from Kenya ICT Board Bellagio, > > Italy Summit 2011 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > kictanet mailing list > > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > > This message was sent to: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co..ke > > > > _______________________________________________ > > kictanet mailing list > > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > > This message was sent to: godera(a)skyweb.co.ke > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/godera%40skyweb.co..ke > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ > > ---------------------------------------------- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > --------------------------------------------- > "easy access to the world" > > ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: eonchari(a)lynxbits.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eonchari%40lynxbits.com

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Re: [kictanet] Digital Villages - Edwin Onchari
by eonchari＠lynxbits.com 30 Mar '11

30 Mar '11

Hi Collins, I agree with you, good ideas might be shot down just because they have been suggested by someone that is of "unlike" thinking Edwin ----- Original Message ----- From: arebacollins(a)gmail.comTo: eonchari(a)lynxbits.com Cc: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: 3/30/11 6:51 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital Villages - Edwin Onchari I have a compromise suggestion: Edwin and those of us with ideas , reservations and issues to raise a thread here and write them down. the questions, the suggestions, the complaints etc. Then if there is someone that can compile them and include them as attachments during the meeting so that content is also captured. I like the issues raised about the viability of the DVs with respect to repayment of the loans, i would like to hear that addressed but in an environment devoid of emotion. -----Original Message----- From: godera(a)skyweb.co.ke Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 12:21:04 To: <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital Villages - Edwin Onchari Dear Dr.Ndemo, With due respect, I have read Edwin's emails and to me they sound more of a cry from a frustrated industry player seeking to understand why certain things occur the way they do. He may not necessarily be right in all his conclusions but I think it gives KICTB a chance to correct wrong perception or provide more information (as Paul has)on areas that are not clear to some industry players. I would like to believe that such clarification will enable the industry to move ahead with one voice and understanding. In my view, uninviting Edwin does not answer his queries. I think he has a lot of good ideas for the industry. Give him a chance. Gilda Quoting bitange(a)jambo.co.ke: > Robert, > I have carefully read all of Edwin's posts on this list and I am sorry to > state none is positive. Â I am asking you if we can uninvite him to next > week's meeting. Â There is sufficient evidence that not much will happen if we > do not have a positive attitude. > > Edwin of course has a right to see me as a public servant but in this meet I > have invited more postivists and may be boring to him. Â Let me have your > views sir. > > > Ndemo. > > > > > > > > Sent from my BlackBerryÂ® > > -----Original Message----- > From: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> > Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 06:32:51 > To: <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Update from Kenya ICT Board Bellagio, > Â Â Â Italy Summit 2011 > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: godera(a)skyweb.co.ke > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/godera%40skyweb.co.ke > ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ ---------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --------------------------------------------- "easy access to the world" _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or..ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: arebacollins(a)gmail.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/arebacollins%40gmail.c… -- â€œThe twentieth century has been characterized by three developments of greatÂ politicalÂ importance: the growth of democracy, the growth of corporateÂ power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporateÂ powerÂ against democracyâ€ ~ Â Alex Carey ~ Tel No: 0x2af23696

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Re: [kictanet] Digital Villages - Edwin Onchari
by eonchari＠lynxbits.com 30 Mar '11

30 Mar '11

Hi Gilda, I was hopping to brainstorm on many such ideas like pushing to have in the next budget monies allotted to equip the Digital Villages as civic education access points. Model it and fund it in such a way that it is sustainable, etc Edwin ----- Original Message ----- From: godera(a)skyweb.co.keTo: eonchari(a)lynxbits.com Cc: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: 3/30/11 5:24 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital Villages - Edwin Onchari Dear Dr.Ndemo, With due respect, I have read Edwin's emails and to me they sound more of a cry from a frustrated industry player seeking to understand why certain things occur the way they do. He may not necessarily be right in all his conclusions but I think it gives KICTB a chance to correct wrong perception or provide more information (as Paul has)on areas that are not clear to some industry players. I would like to believe that such clarification will enable the industry to move ahead with one voice and understanding. In my view, uninviting Edwin does not answer his queries. I think he has a lot of good ideas for the industry. Give him a chance. Gilda Quoting bitange(a)jambo.co.ke: > Robert, > I have carefully read all of Edwin's posts on this list and I am sorry to > state none is positive. I am asking you if we can uninvite him to next > week's meeting. There is sufficient evidence that not much will happen if we > do not have a positive attitude. > > Edwin of course has a right to see me as a public servant but in this meet I > have invited more postivists and may be boring to him. Let me have your > views sir. > > > Ndemo. > > > > > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® > > -----Original Message----- > From: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> > Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 06:32:51 > To: <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Update from Kenya ICT Board Bellagio, > Italy Summit 2011 > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: godera(a)skyweb.co.ke > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/godera%40skyweb.co.ke > ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: eonchari(a)lynxbits.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eonchari%40lynxbits.com

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Re: [kictanet] Digital Villages - Edwin Onchari
by eonchari＠lynxbits.com 30 Mar '11

30 Mar '11

Dan, What I have in mind (and we can expand on this) is a Citizen Support Services model that can work in the following ways: In the village and even most government offices in Nairobi, crucial government forms are always in short supply. why not explore ways of getting this crucial documents to the grassroots (DVs buying from the government press and photocopying them and sell at a small fee, download where applicable, etc for the citizens)charge a small standard fee for the DVs to perform some basic back office work, like data capture. Imagine the enormous amount of data lying at the county/district level. How this can be deployed can be explored bearing in mind that we still have silos in government- although from last year's egovt summit, there ought be a single platform for all agencies- we can tap into this.In the future, groom the DVs to perform other support services such as emergency response, surveys, etc for the county government and even the central government. The list can be as extensive and as innovative as we want it to be. I would like steer clear of negativity, but will not relent in asking questions where things are unclear or sound a voice of a concerned citizen where I feel things are not being done right. Edwin ----- Original Message ----- From: dan.kwach(a)gmail.comTo: eonchari(a)lynxbits.com Cc: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: 3/30/11 5:34 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital Villages - Edwin Onchari Edwin, Just a thought in relation to your stand.....It would be good to support noble ideas....the best we should do is probably share better ideas.... > Given this, I was to suggest (and I have stated this in my posts) that the > govt can provide a sizable source of business for the DVs using the BPO > model. - Just what tangible example do you have for this? As it is, this statement sounds so much of a vision and not what can be put on a table today.... > > At least now one thing is pretty clear, never ask GOK hard questions (not > even in 2011), else you are negative and unpatriotic. - I suggest we steer off this road, issue at hand should be a on the realization of the Digital Villages project besides other ICT business ventures such as can be found in the BPO Sector... On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 12:01 PM, <eonchari(a)lynxbits.com> wrote: > A 20 something year old from my local village in Kisii with little to nil > prior business experience signs up for the DV loan, and starts up the > business. The question they need to be asking themselves is- " how do I pay > back my loan"?...in other words, where is the business going to come from > and is it sustainable? > > Given this, I was to suggest (and I have stated this in my posts) that the > govt can provide a sizable source of business for the DVs using the BPO > model. > > At least now one thing is pretty clear, never ask GOK hard questions (not > even in 2011), else you are negative and unpatriotic. > > Edwin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke > To: eonchari(a)lynxbits.com > Cc: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > Sent: 3/30/11 4:23 AM > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital Villages - Edwin Onchari > > Robert, > I have carefully read all of Edwin's posts on this list and I am sorry to > state none is positive. I am asking you if we can uninvite him to next > week's meeting. There is sufficient evidence that not much will happen if we > do not have a positive attitude. > > Edwin of course has a right to see me as a public servant but in this meet I > have invited more postivists and may be boring to him. Let me have your > views sir. > > > Ndemo. > > > > > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® > > -----Original Message----- > From: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> > Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 06:32:51 > To: <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Update from Kenya ICT Board Bellagio, > Italy Summit 2011 > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: eonchari(a)lynxbits.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eonchari%40lynxbits.com > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: dan.kwach(a)gmail.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/dan.kwach%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: eonchari(a)lynxbits.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eonchari%40lynxbits.com

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Re: [kictanet] Digital Villages - Edwin Onchari
by eonchari＠lynxbits.com 30 Mar '11

30 Mar '11

A 20 something year old from my local village in Kisii with little to nil prior business experience signs up for the DV loan, and starts up the business. The question they need to be asking themselves is- " how do I pay back my loan"?...in other words, where is the business going to come from and is it sustainable? Given this, I was to suggest (and I have stated this in my posts) that the govt can provide a sizable source of business for the DVs using the BPO model. At least now one thing is pretty clear, never ask GOK hard questions (not even in 2011), else you are negative and unpatriotic. Edwin ----- Original Message ----- From: bitange(a)jambo.co.keTo: eonchari(a)lynxbits.com Cc: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: 3/30/11 4:23 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital Villages - Edwin Onchari Robert, I have carefully read all of Edwin's posts on this list and I am sorry to state none is positive. I am asking you if we can uninvite him to next week's meeting. There is sufficient evidence that not much will happen if we do not have a positive attitude. Edwin of course has a right to see me as a public servant but in this meet I have invited more postivists and may be boring to him. Let me have your views sir. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 06:32:51 To: <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Update from Kenya ICT Board Bellagio, Italy Summit 2011 _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: eonchari(a)lynxbits.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eonchari%40lynxbits.com

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Re: [kictanet] Update from Kenya ICT Board Bellagio,
by eonchari＠lynxbits.com 30 Mar '11

30 Mar '11

Robert, I have raised similar sentiments before (with the McKinsey (sp) study approach- I am yet to get clarifications) but this has been seen as unpatriotic and having a post-Kanu hangover. Not to take anything away from the accomplishments of Seven Seas and KenCall, but are these firms 100% representative of the industry? Was it too difficult/expensive to collect the views of other players in the industry to capture the true feel of what is happening? Edwin ----- Original Message ----- From: robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.ukTo: eonchari(a)lynxbits.com Cc: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: 3/30/11 1:32 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Update from Kenya ICT Board Bellagio, Paul, Sorry for having to pour cold water on this initiative but as a tourist destination and being that we are trying to sell the countries capabilities would it not have been more productive and cost effective to have had the session in country? If this session was held here and we shipped in the 20 experts we would have been able to include 100 Kenyans in the discussion and therefore have a more balanced result from the activity. In addition the experts would have been able to get an actual feel of the issues in the country for example by calling some of the local customers service departments and be able to give a more in-touch response. Just being the devils advocate here but from the report synopsis there is nothing new in the results all this issues have been raised repeatedly over the past couple of years. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 From: Paul Kukubo To: robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Sent: Tue, 29 March, 2011 19:17:22 Subject: [kictanet] Update from Kenya ICT Board Bellagio, Italy Summit 2011 Listers As my team finalizes the report from the 1st Kenya ICT Board Summit in Bellagio, Italy. We had invited a team of 20 odd people from all over the world to revalidation of our value proposition. The team comprised BPO analysts and marketers, silicon valley venture capitalists, Europe based Venture capitalist invested here, representative from World Bank, country strategist from Malaysia, International blue chip firm executives representatives. from Kenya we had 3 firms (Seven Seas technologies, and Kencall) and a members of academia. The Permanent Secretary Dr Bitange Ndemo was in attendance. I would like to highlight some of the key conclusions. We are already planning for Bellagio 2, next year same time. The statement of our value proposition now reads as follows: Kenya is a globally competitive ICT partner gifted with entrepreneurial spirit and able to translate emerging market needs and connect them with demanding multinationals. Through much debate, the panel concluded that we need to balance our emphasis on export based BPO, and call centre with support for Kenyan based entrepreunerially based ICT growth. Both are seen as complimentary in terms of job creation. Our value proposition is thus not just focussed on outsourcing but on overall ICT sector competitiveness. ICT is both a sector (firms that provide ICT) and an enabler of all sectors. We need to look at both in our strategy. Malaysia has done this quite nicely even quantifying the size and impact of both. Kenya has an opportunity to be perceived as a world leader in emerging market innovations: Safaricom MPESA and Mobile Money, USHAHIDI, Livestock Insurance (ILRI), Mastercard-Airtel Mobile Wallet product, to name a few. There are companies in Kenya that are now attracting international venture capital financing. Both BPO and call centre companies and non BPO tech firms. Once capital starts trickling into a sector, this is most promising. The global BPO sector is quite big and cannot be ignored. many countries are chasing the sector. Kenya's English language talent and skilled professionals provide us with strong credentials that must be leveraged. The Indian IT outsourcing sector and the Philippines call centre sector took years to grow and was led by the private sector. Government support came in much later. Kenya can learn and fastrack, and government support is important. Government services can catalyse the sector. Government and public sector spending on ICT is substantial across infrastructure, applications and services, project management and capacity. Indeed many Kenyan and international firms have benefited and grown from this. what is needed is an improved framework for technology and capacity transfer for the very large projects which have international contractors. rule of thumb is 1/3 consultancy, 1/3 project management, 1/3 technical delivery. As our software and systems firms develop, they will find that the technical bits are only part of a total package, that includes project management, business analysis marketing etc. Indeed some have made the leap quite nicely. Kenya ICT Board needs to continue to implement on the basis of supporting both export based services and exciting and growing the local entrepreneurs. More from us once the final report is concluded. Paul Kukubo Chief Executive Officer, Kenya ICT Board PO Box 27150 - 00100 Nairobi, Kenya 12th Floor, Teleposta Towers Koinange Street Tel +254 20 2089061, +254 20 2211960 Fax: +254 20 2211962 website: www.ict.go.ke local content project: www.tandaa.co.ke, www.facebook.com/tandaakenya twitter:@tandaaKENYA BPO Project: www. doitinkenya.co.ke Digital Villages Project: www.pasha.co.ke personal contacts _______________ Cell: + 254 717 180001 skype: kukubopaul googletalk: pkukubo personal blog: www.paulkukubo.co.ke personal twitter: @pkukubo ____________________ Vision: Kenya becomes a top ten global ICT hub Mission: To champion and actively enable Kenya to adopt and exploit ICT, through promotion of partnerships, investments and infrastructure growth for socio economic enrichment

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Local hosting - reiterated
by robert yawe 30 Mar '11

30 Mar '11

Hi Listers, Just felt that this is a topic that needs to be kept alive until we get some serious resolutions, it is one thing to scream about local content and another providing the enabling environment. We currently have no reliable application hosting and collection service providers I had thought that with the bashing by Safaricom of the incumbent ISPs they would have gone off to develop other areas, but from what is happening they might also be beaten to this by big green. It is time those claiming to run incubators for developers realise that without reliable and cost effective hosting and collocation facilities the tools they are providing shall remain theoretical. To a web developer hosting space is more critical than office space as their work place is virtual, so providing office space still leaves 60 - 80% of the recurrent project budget going to hosting and collocation. This is one of the times when I think we are justified in calling on KICT Board and the Ministry for Information to help. Today the average cost of collocation for a 2U rack space is US $ 400/- per month and a server costs about US 1,500/- which is the bear minimum for a redundant setup you require at least 6 U space, 2 servers and a firewall/switch. If there is someone out there who can provide the service for less and is connected to KIXP please stand and be counted. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

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Re: [kictanet] Domestic Outsourcing Studies
by eonchari＠lynxbits.com 30 Mar '11

30 Mar '11

Hi Muriuki, Thanks for the update, could you kindly share the study if you happen to have access to it. As we keep debating this issues - I am tempted to wonder who comprises the members of the ICT board and what are their credentials/ experience, etc? Edwin ----- Original Message ----- From: mureithi(a)summitstrategies.co.keTo: eonchari(a)lynxbits.com Cc: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: 3/30/11 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Domestic Outsourcing Studies Hi Edwin Last year Sept/Oct , IBM Corporate Service Corps – a CSR arm of IBM - carried out in-depth studies on Digital villages and confirmed the huge opportunity to transform and empower the rural communities through BPO/ITES. One team specifically focusing on BPO/ITES laid out a strategy to exploit the opportunity . Government provides the greatest opportunity to drive sustainability for the digital villages. The team also identified corporates in the capital city as well as rural based enterprises to compliment the government business. Already low lying fruits exist to be tapped by digital villages with minimal effort apart from a firm decision and commitment to tap it The other two teams focused on a frameworks to empower the digital village entrepreneur and an overarching national strategy for digital villages . The findings present intervention points for actors and areas of synergy cheers Muriuki Mureithi What could i be losing with all the gaining ? Bob Buford US Author From: kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@lists.kictanet..or.ke] On Behalf Of eonchari(a)lynxbits.com Sent: 29 March 2011 20:42 To: mureithi(a)summitstrategies.co.ke Cc: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Domestic Outsourcing Studies Matunda, The main reason why we have very little domestic outsourcing is because of lack of marketing/sensitization on the advantages of outsourcing. Financial firms for example have sighted information insecurity as the top reason why they are not outsourcing. Bank A fears that once it has outsourced some of it's "non-core" but critical processes, their competition will get access to this information and use it to put them out of business (which is where industry standards and ethics ought to come in) The government has to a large extent been focused on large projects that it tenders out; where majority of the local firms get locked out. As a preempt to an upcoming meeting next week with Dr. Ndemo; I will be suggesting mechanisms of leveraging Digital Villages for government outsourcing. Government has the ability to stake at least 50% of the domestic outsourcing market and in turn create employment for tens of thousands for our youth. Edwin ----- Original Message ----- From: mnyanchama(a)aganoconsulting.com To: eonchari(a)lynxbits.com Cc: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: 3/29/11 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Domestic Outsourcing Studies Gilda and all on the list, We are looking for case studies across the world, Kenya included; and of countries like India, Philippines, Egypt, South Africa and many others (e.g. in South America) that have on the outsourcing "map" for a fair amount of time. South Africa is of key interest to us. On Onchari's comments, we would be interested to know why (in the case of Kenya) there is little in domestic outsourcing. What's it that deters potential outsources (e.g. government, financial institutions, etc.) from outsourcing? On an aside, I once mentioned the subject to a group of Bank HR types and they reacted almost in disbelief that such could happen. I wonder whether that's one of the impediments? From: "godera(a)skyweb.co.ke" To: Matunda Nyanchama Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Sent: Tue, March 29, 2011 5:43:02 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Domestic Outsourcing Studies Matunda, I would say that given the "age" of the industry, there is probably no study that has been done per se on domestic outsourcing. However, there are various organisations you can talk to and collect some useful information. For instance, some of the local Call Centres and BPOs are doing local work. How about talking to them and hearing them out and possibly talking to their clients too? Kencall, Horizon,the former Kentech Data (I think they changed name to Techno something- sorry,I am not sure of the full name,)not to mention the many who provide other services such as Payroll etc. Maybe you could be the first to gather such information into one document.... All the best Gilda Quoting Matunda Nyanchama <mnyanchama(a)aganoconsulting.com>: > Friends, > > I am looking for studies (especially of success stories) of domestic ICT > outsourcing. If anyone has pointers, please share. > > Many thanks. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Matunda Nyanchama, PhD, CISSP; mnyanchama@aganoconsulting..com > Agano Consulting Inc.; www.aganoconsulting.com; Twitter: nmatunda; Skype: > okiambe > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Be prepared to face ICT Security failures & know how to respond when they > happen! > > Call: +1-888-587-1150 or info(a)aganoconsulting.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > "A bus station is where a bus stops. 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Re: [kictanet] Update from Kenya ICT Board Bellagio, Italy Summit 2011
by Wamuyu Gatheru 30 Mar '11

30 Mar '11

Many thanks Paul. I hope a version of this including the value proposition is widely communicated - so that it starts to appear in media articles, govt speeches, govt Planning docs, Vision 2030 Communications. So the preparedness of the country, in this regard, becomes as widely known as plans for tourism and highways. Also, I assume, ICT board has goals to measure gains from this Bellagio strategising. Report these achievements, when you can, so that we know if any business was created as a result. regards, Wamuyu -- Soko ID Co. Ltd http://www.soko-id.co.ke/ Soko ID is an innovative company that supports public organisations and promotes the Kenyan heritage on the internet. Quoting Paul Kukubo <pkukubo(a)ict.go.ke>: > Listers > > As my team finalizes the report from the 1st Kenya ICT Board Summit in > Bellagio, Italy. We had invited a team of 20 odd people from all over the > world to revalidation of our value proposition. The team comprised BPO > analysts and marketers, silicon valley venture capitalists, Europe based > Venture capitalist invested here, representative from World Bank, country > strategist from Malaysia, International blue chip firm executives > representatives. from Kenya we had 3 firms (Seven Seas technologies, and > Kencall) and a members of academia. The Permanent Secretary Dr Bitange Ndemo > was in attendance. > > I would like to highlight some of the key conclusions. We are already > planning for Bellagio 2, next year same time. > > > 1. The statement of our value proposition now reads as follows: *Kenya is > a globally competitive ICT partner gifted with entrepreneurial spirit and > able to translate emerging market needs and connect them with demanding > multinationals. *Through much debate, the panel concluded that we need to > balance our emphasis on export based BPO, and call centre with support for > Kenyan based entrepreunerially based ICT growth. Both are seen as > complimentary in terms of job creation. Our value proposition is thus not > just focussed on outsourcing but on overall ICT sector competitiveness. > 2. ICT is both a sector (firms that provide ICT) and an enabler of all > sectors. We need to look at both in our strategy. Malaysia has done this > quite nicely even quantifying the size and impact of both. > 3. Kenya has an opportunity to be perceived as a world leader in emerging > market innovations: Safaricom MPESA and Mobile Money, USHAHIDI, Livestock > Insurance (ILRI), Mastercard-Airtel Mobile Wallet product, to name a few. > 4. There are companies in Kenya that are now attracting international > venture capital financing. Both BPO and call centre companies and non BPO > tech firms. Once capital starts trickling into a sector, this is most > promising. > 5. The global BPO sector is quite big and cannot be ignored. many > countries are chasing the sector. Kenya's English language talent and > skilled professionals provide us with strong credentials that must be > leveraged. The Indian IT outsourcing sector and the Philippines call centre > sector took years to grow and was led by the private sector. Government > support came in much later. Kenya can learn and fastrack, and government > support is important. > 6. Government services can catalyse the sector. Government and public > sector spending on ICT is substantial across infrastructure, applications > and services, project management and capacity. Indeed many Kenyan and > international firms have benefited and grown from this. what is > needed is an > improved framework for technology and capacity transfer for the very large > projects which have international contractors. rule of thumb is 1/3 > consultancy, 1/3 project management, 1/3 technical delivery. As > our software > and systems firms develop, they will find that the technical bits are only > part of a total package, that includes project management, > business analysis > marketing etc. Indeed some have made the leap quite nicely. > 7. Kenya ICT Board needs to continue to implement on the basis of > supporting both export based services and exciting and growing the local > entrepreneurs. > > More from us once the final report is concluded. > > > Paul Kukubo > Chief Executive Officer, Kenya ICT Board > PO Box 27150 - 00100 > Nairobi, Kenya > > 12th Floor, Teleposta Towers Koinange Street > > Tel +254 20 2089061, +254 20 2211960 > Fax: +254 20 2211962 > website: www.ict.go.ke > local content project: www.tandaa.co.ke, www.facebook.com/tandaakenya > twitter:@tandaaKENYA > BPO Project: www. doitinkenya.co.ke > Digital Villages Project: www.pasha.co.ke > > > personal contacts > _______________ > > Cell: + 254 717 180001 > > > skype: kukubopaul > googletalk: pkukubo > personal blog: www.paulkukubo.co.ke > personal twitter: @pkukubo > > > ____________________ > Vision: Kenya becomes a top ten global ICT hub > > Mission: To champion and actively enable Kenya to adopt and exploit ICT, > through promotion of partnerships, investments and infrastructure growth for > socio economic enrichment >

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