Hello, First message here. I am looking to get off of qmailtoaster (been running it for many, many years) since even it is not well maintained any more. I am looking at either postfix or exim, and an easy tool to manage them (limited free time=hobby business). I ran across exim4u and it looks like it might fit the bill. Other platforms I am looking at are ISPConfig and BlueOnyx (yes, I know, sendmail), Xeams, Virtualmin. I know all of those are not email only, but I hope I can just ignore the other portions of those application stacks. I do like that exim4U is first for email, exactly what I want/need. I do have a couple questions: 1. Is it maintained and being further developed? I am not concerned if it is slow development, but what exists should be relatively solid. 2. Will it run on CentOS7 or other systemd platforms? Seems they are all pretty much going that way unfortunately. Thx! Helmut
Hi! Maybe that helps your decision: i am running exim4u now rock solid since approx. 6 years after switching from vexim... In all the time there was only one problem that was caused by an exim update itself and it was solved by Gordon. So... I can fully recommend exim4u! Am 4. April 2016 18:39:03 MESZ, schrieb Helmut Fritz <helmut(a)fritz.us.com>:
Hello,
First message here. I am looking to get off of qmailtoaster (been running it for many, many years) since even it is not well maintained any more.
I am looking at either postfix or exim, and an easy tool to manage them (limited free time=hobby business). I ran across exim4u and it looks like it might fit the bill. Other platforms I am looking at are ISPConfig and BlueOnyx (yes, I know, sendmail), Xeams, Virtualmin. I know all of those are not email only, but I hope I can just ignore the other portions of those application stacks. I do like that exim4U is first for email, exactly what I want/need. I do have a couple questions:
1. Is it maintained and being further developed? I am not concerned if it is slow development, but what exists should be relatively solid.
2. Will it run on CentOS7 or other systemd platforms? Seems they are all pretty much going that way unfortunately.
Thx!
Helmut
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Thx for the confidence vote Harold. Hopefully someone else can chime in on the OS related question and maybe give an opinion on maintenance/development. I see the latest release was last May(and a gamma release – maybe it is close to stable release?), but before that 2012? Helmut From: users [mailto:users-bounces(a)exim4u.org] On Behalf Of Harald Valkanover Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 10:53 AM To: Exim4U General Discussion Subject: Re: [Exim4U] CentOS7/systemd Hi! Maybe that helps your decision: i am running exim4u now rock solid since approx. 6 years after switching from vexim... In all the time there was only one problem that was caused by an exim update itself and it was solved by Gordon. So... I can fully recommend exim4u! Am 4. April 2016 18:39:03 MESZ, schrieb Helmut Fritz <helmut(a)fritz.us.com>: Hello, First message here. I am looking to get off of qmailtoaster (been running it for many, many years) since even it is not well maintained any more. I am looking at either postfix or exim, and an easy tool to manage them (limited free time=hobby business). I ran across exim4u and it looks like it might fit the bill. Other platforms I am looking at are ISPConfig and BlueOnyx (yes, I know, sendmail), Xeams, Virtualmin. I know all of those are not email only, but I hope I can just ignore the other portions of those application stacks. I do like that exim4U is first for email, exactly what I want/need. I do have a couple questions: 1. Is it maintained and being further developed? I am not concerned if it is slow development, but what exists should be relatively solid. 2. Will it run on CentOS7 or other systemd platforms? Seems they are all pretty much going that way unfortunately. Thx! Helmut _____ users mailing list users(a)exim4u.org https://exim4u.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Hi, I have run exim4u on Ubuntu since version 8.04 LTS (if I remember well) onwards. It has never had any issue till now. It follows the upgrades.... You can as well use roundcube as user GUI and integrate the administration features with this plugin http://axel.sjostedt.no/misc/files/rcube_plg_veximaccountadmin.tar.gz Thanks again to Gordon for this amazing Exim4u As Harald said I fully recommend exim4u......many many features On 04/04/2016 07:52 PM, Harald Valkanover wrote:
Hi! Maybe that helps your decision: i am running exim4u now rock solid since approx. 6 years after switching from vexim...
In all the time there was only one problem that was caused by an exim update itself and it was solved by Gordon.
So... I can fully recommend exim4u!
Am 4. April 2016 18:39:03 MESZ, schrieb Helmut Fritz <helmut(a)fritz.us.com>:
Hello,
First message here. I am looking to get off of qmailtoaster (been running it for many, many years) since even it is not well maintained any more.
I am looking at either postfix or exim, and an easy tool to manage them (limited free time=hobby business). I ran across exim4u and it looks like it might fit the bill. Other platforms I am looking at are ISPConfig and BlueOnyx (yes, I know, sendmail), Xeams, Virtualmin. I know all of those are not email only, but I hope I can just ignore the other portions of those application stacks. I do like that exim4U is first for email, exactly what I want/need. I do have a couple questions:
1.Is it maintained and being further developed? I am not concerned if it is slow development, but what exists should be relatively solid.
2.Will it run on CentOS7 or other systemd platforms? Seems they are all pretty much going that way unfortunately.
Thx!
Helmut
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Another thx for the recommendation. Hopefully my questions do not get missed in all the praise! J From: users [mailto:users-bounces(a)exim4u.org] On Behalf Of nice neza Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 11:17 AM To: users(a)exim4u.org Subject: Re: [Exim4U] CentOS7/systemd Hi, I have run exim4u on Ubuntu since version 8.04 LTS (if I remember well) onwards. It has never had any issue till now. It follows the upgrades.... You can as well use roundcube as user GUI and integrate the administration features with this plugin http://axel.sjostedt.no/misc/files/rcube_plg_veximaccountadmin.tar.gz Thanks again to Gordon for this amazing Exim4u As Harald said I fully recommend exim4u......many many features On 04/04/2016 07:52 PM, Harald Valkanover wrote: Hi! Maybe that helps your decision: i am running exim4u now rock solid since approx. 6 years after switching from vexim... In all the time there was only one problem that was caused by an exim update itself and it was solved by Gordon. So... I can fully recommend exim4u! Am 4. April 2016 18:39:03 MESZ, schrieb Helmut Fritz <mailto:helmut(a)fritz.us.com> <helmut(a)fritz.us.com>: Hello, First message here. I am looking to get off of qmailtoaster (been running it for many, many years) since even it is not well maintained any more. I am looking at either postfix or exim, and an easy tool to manage them (limited free time=hobby business). I ran across exim4u and it looks like it might fit the bill. Other platforms I am looking at are ISPConfig and BlueOnyx (yes, I know, sendmail), Xeams, Virtualmin. I know all of those are not email only, but I hope I can just ignore the other portions of those application stacks. I do like that exim4U is first for email, exactly what I want/need. I do have a couple questions: 1. Is it maintained and being further developed? I am not concerned if it is slow development, but what exists should be relatively solid. 2. Will it run on CentOS7 or other systemd platforms? Seems they are all pretty much going that way unfortunately. Thx! Helmut _____ users mailing list users(a)exim4u.org https://exim4u.org/mailman/listinfo/users _______________________________________________ users mailing list users(a)exim4u.org https://exim4u.org/mailman/listinfo/users -- · Be nice to people on your way up because you will need them on your way down · From Sir Isaac Newton's "Universal Law of Gravitation" we know that whatever goes up eventually falls to earth · If you have knowledge, let others light their candles at it <http://www.sentinelgate.com> <http://www.sentinelgate.com/> logo <http://www.sentinelgate.com> NEZA NICE FABRICE ::. NETWORK AND SECURITY SENIOR CONSULTANT .:: SENTINEL NETWORK SECURITY :: Kigali Rwanda +250 (0) 78-830-0090 (c) | neza(a)sentinelgate.com (e) | www.sentinelgate.com (w)
Hello Helmut, 2016-04-04 19:39, Helmut Fritz wrote:
Hello,
First message here. I am looking to get off of qmailtoaster (been running it for many, many years) since even it is not well maintained any more.
I am looking at either postfix or exim, and an easy tool to manage them (limited free time=hobby business). I ran across exim4u and it looks like it might fit the bill. Other platforms I am looking at are ISPConfig and BlueOnyx (yes, I know, sendmail), Xeams, Virtualmin. I know all of those are not email only, but I hope I can just ignore the other portions of those application stacks. I do like that exim4U is first for email, exactly what I want/need. I do have a couple questions:
1. Is it maintained and being further developed? I am not concerned if it is slow development, but what exists should be relatively solid.
You can see the commit log here: https://github.com/Exim4U/src/commits/master . As you can see, there is some stuff going on.
2. Will it run on CentOS7 or other systemd platforms? Seems they are all pretty much going that way unfortunately.
I don't think there's anything that could stop Exim4U (or Vexim for that matter) from working with systemd-based platforms. After having a quick you look at the list of files shipped by Exim4U, I only found two initscripts ( https://github.com/Exim4U/src/tree/master/etc/init.d ), so I would guess that even if some adjustment would be needed, it wouldn't be that difficult to implement. Regards, Rimas
Rimas, Thx for the note. There is actually quite a bit being committed regularly. Can anyone tell me hoe often releases are made? Or do people actually check out the latest stuff? Old style init scripts are generally still supported, so I guess it should just work. Would anyone recommend sticking to CentOS6? Or just go for 7? Thx for any and all input. Helmut From: users [mailto:users-bounces(a)exim4u.org] On Behalf Of Rimas Kudelis Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 10:15 PM To: Exim4U General Discussion Subject: Re: [Exim4U] CentOS7/systemd Hello Helmut, 2016-04-04 19:39, Helmut Fritz wrote: Hello, First message here. I am looking to get off of qmailtoaster (been running it for many, many years) since even it is not well maintained any more. I am looking at either postfix or exim, and an easy tool to manage them (limited free time=hobby business). I ran across exim4u and it looks like it might fit the bill. Other platforms I am looking at are ISPConfig and BlueOnyx (yes, I know, sendmail), Xeams, Virtualmin. I know all of those are not email only, but I hope I can just ignore the other portions of those application stacks. I do like that exim4U is first for email, exactly what I want/need. I do have a couple questions: 1. Is it maintained and being further developed? I am not concerned if it is slow development, but what exists should be relatively solid. You can see the commit log here: https://github.com/Exim4U/src/commits/master . As you can see, there is some stuff going on. 2. Will it run on CentOS7 or other systemd platforms? Seems they are all pretty much going that way unfortunately. I don't think there's anything that could stop Exim4U (or Vexim for that matter) from working with systemd-based platforms. After having a quick you look at the list of files shipped by Exim4U, I only found two initscripts ( https://github.com/Exim4U/src/tree/master/etc/init.d ), so I would guess that even if some adjustment would be needed, it wouldn't be that difficult to implement. Regards, Rimas
Hi, 2016-04-05 08:28, Helmut Fritz wrote:
Rimas,
Thx for the note. There is actually quite a bit being committed regularly. Can anyone tell me hoe often releases are made? Or do people actually check out the latest stuff?
I think most of the stuff you can see being committed actually comes from the Vexim project. We (the Vexim project) have been in the process of wrapping up a new release for quite some time already, but there's still some stuff we want to do before releasing and we are (or rather I am) quite slow at actually doing it, so we don't have a due date for that. My guess is that once we finalize our release, Exim4U is likely to follow with one as well, but it's just a guess. Either way, it's solid enough as it is, and from my observation, Gordon is doing his best at supporting his users with bug fixes and advice.
Old style init scripts are generally still supported, so I guess it should just work. Would anyone recommend sticking to CentOS6? Or just go for 7?
My exp with CentOS is rather limited, but I wouldn't go for an older release of anything when there's a newer one, unless I knew for a fact that I had really good reasons to stick with the older one. Regards, Rimas
Thx Rimas. “My exp with CentOS is rather limited, but I wouldn't go for an older release of anything when there's a newer one, unless I knew for a fact that I had really good reasons to stick with the older one.” Systemd! but no politics and religion here, those two subjects are best left alone for any civility. J Helmut From: users [mailto:users-bounces(a)exim4u.org] On Behalf Of Rimas Kudelis Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 10:43 PM To: users(a)exim4u.org Subject: Re: [Exim4U] CentOS7/systemd Hi, 2016-04-05 08:28, Helmut Fritz wrote: Rimas, Thx for the note. There is actually quite a bit being committed regularly. Can anyone tell me hoe often releases are made? Or do people actually check out the latest stuff? I think most of the stuff you can see being committed actually comes from the Vexim project. We (the Vexim project) have been in the process of wrapping up a new release for quite some time already, but there's still some stuff we want to do before releasing and we are (or rather I am) quite slow at actually doing it, so we don't have a due date for that. My guess is that once we finalize our release, Exim4U is likely to follow with one as well, but it's just a guess. Either way, it's solid enough as it is, and from my observation, Gordon is doing his best at supporting his users with bug fixes and advice. Old style init scripts are generally still supported, so I guess it should just work. Would anyone recommend sticking to CentOS6? Or just go for 7? My exp with CentOS is rather limited, but I wouldn't go for an older release of anything when there's a newer one, unless I knew for a fact that I had really good reasons to stick with the older one. Regards, Rimas
On 4 April 2016 at 19:39, Helmut Fritz <helmut(a)fritz.us.com> wrote:
Hello,
First message here. I am looking to get off of qmailtoaster (been running it for many, many years) since even it is not well maintained any more.
I am looking at either postfix or exim, and an easy tool to manage them (limited free time=hobby business). I ran across exim4u and it looks like it might fit the bill. Other platforms I am looking at are ISPConfig and BlueOnyx (yes, I know, sendmail), Xeams, Virtualmin. I know all of those are not email only, but I hope I can just ignore the other portions of those application stacks. I do like that exim4U is first for email, exactly what I want/need. I do have a couple questions:
1. Is it maintained and being further developed? I am not concerned if it is slow development, but what exists should be relatively solid.
2. Will it run on CentOS7 or other systemd platforms? Seems they are all pretty much going that way unfortunately.
I don't know what systemd is, but I will google. I use FreeBSD mostly. Exim runs on Ubuntu. However, Exim4U requires just php+apache+mysql IIRC. If those are installable on a systemd OS, then it will run. Exim as an MTA should run on all *nix OS IIRC. So I guess you have no problem ahead with Exim4U.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft."
Odhiambo, You brought up an interesting thought/question. I have been a CentOS fan for many years, essentially since I moved off of SCO Linux and Solaris(for SPARC). But now with the implementation of system and its pervasity, I have been looking at/condsidering other OS’es. BSD and Gentoo are the primary two. For systemd, most if not all of the mainstream linuxi are already on systemd. Here are a couple of links for some systemd background: http://0pointer.de/public/gnomeasia2014.pdf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd http://riaschissl.bestsolution.at/2015/07/systemd-the-linux-dilemma-and-why-... Probably best to not bring up opinions on system. It has and can cause irate comments. What OS are most people running for vexim and exim4u? Helmut From: users [mailto:users-bounces(a)exim4u.org] On Behalf Of Odhiambo Washington Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 3:36 AM To: Exim4U General Discussion Subject: Re: [Exim4U] CentOS7/systemd On 4 April 2016 at 19:39, Helmut Fritz <helmut(a)fritz.us.com> wrote: Hello, First message here. I am looking to get off of qmailtoaster (been running it for many, many years) since even it is not well maintained any more. I am looking at either postfix or exim, and an easy tool to manage them (limited free time=hobby business). I ran across exim4u and it looks like it might fit the bill. Other platforms I am looking at are ISPConfig and BlueOnyx (yes, I know, sendmail), Xeams, Virtualmin. I know all of those are not email only, but I hope I can just ignore the other portions of those application stacks. I do like that exim4U is first for email, exactly what I want/need. I do have a couple questions: 1. Is it maintained and being further developed? I am not concerned if it is slow development, but what exists should be relatively solid. 2. Will it run on CentOS7 or other systemd platforms? Seems they are all pretty much going that way unfortunately. I don't know what systemd is, but I will google. I use FreeBSD mostly. Exim runs on Ubuntu. However, Exim4U requires just php+apache+mysql IIRC. If those are installable on a systemd OS, then it will run. Exim as an MTA should run on all *nix OS IIRC. So I guess you have no problem ahead with Exim4U. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft."
I doubt that there are any stats – but maybe Gordon has more info on that one. Personally, I am running all mail servers with exim4u on FreeBSD. Maybe you should just give it a shot and install it as trying exim4u gives you more information and “feeling” than all discussion… installing is not that much work. Valki Von: users [mailto:users-bounces(a)exim4u.org] Im Auftrag von Helmut Fritz Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. April 2016 19:16 An: 'Exim4U General Discussion' <users(a)exim4u.org> Betreff: Re: [Exim4U] CentOS7/systemd Odhiambo, You brought up an interesting thought/question. I have been a CentOS fan for many years, essentially since I moved off of SCO Linux and Solaris(for SPARC). But now with the implementation of system and its pervasity, I have been looking at/condsidering other OS’es. BSD and Gentoo are the primary two. For systemd, most if not all of the mainstream linuxi are already on systemd. Here are a couple of links for some systemd background: http://0pointer.de/public/gnomeasia2014.pdf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd http://riaschissl.bestsolution.at/2015/07/systemd-the-linux-dilemma-and-why-... Probably best to not bring up opinions on system. It has and can cause irate comments. What OS are most people running for vexim and exim4u? Helmut From: users [mailto:users-bounces(a)exim4u.org] On Behalf Of Odhiambo Washington Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 3:36 AM To: Exim4U General Discussion Subject: Re: [Exim4U] CentOS7/systemd On 4 April 2016 at 19:39, Helmut Fritz <helmut(a)fritz.us.com <mailto:helmut(a)fritz.us.com> > wrote: Hello, First message here. I am looking to get off of qmailtoaster (been running it for many, many years) since even it is not well maintained any more. I am looking at either postfix or exim, and an easy tool to manage them (limited free time=hobby business). I ran across exim4u and it looks like it might fit the bill. Other platforms I am looking at are ISPConfig and BlueOnyx (yes, I know, sendmail), Xeams, Virtualmin. I know all of those are not email only, but I hope I can just ignore the other portions of those application stacks. I do like that exim4U is first for email, exactly what I want/need. I do have a couple questions: 1. Is it maintained and being further developed? I am not concerned if it is slow development, but what exists should be relatively solid. 2. Will it run on CentOS7 or other systemd platforms? Seems they are all pretty much going that way unfortunately. I don't know what systemd is, but I will google. I use FreeBSD mostly. Exim runs on Ubuntu. However, Exim4U requires just php+apache+mysql IIRC. If those are installable on a systemd OS, then it will run. Exim as an MTA should run on all *nix OS IIRC. So I guess you have no problem ahead with Exim4U. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft."
Harold, I am pretty much there already – just need to find the time to get it done. I already have a CentOS minimal install VM ready to go and need to pick a BSD flavor and download it. Helmut From: users [mailto:users-bounces(a)exim4u.org] On Behalf Of Harald Valkanover Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 10:21 AM To: 'Exim4U General Discussion' Subject: Re: [Exim4U] CentOS7/systemd I doubt that there are any stats – but maybe Gordon has more info on that one. Personally, I am running all mail servers with exim4u on FreeBSD. Maybe you should just give it a shot and install it as trying exim4u gives you more information and “feeling” than all discussion… installing is not that much work. Valki Von: users [mailto:users-bounces(a)exim4u.org] Im Auftrag von Helmut Fritz Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. April 2016 19:16 An: 'Exim4U General Discussion' <users(a)exim4u.org> Betreff: Re: [Exim4U] CentOS7/systemd Odhiambo, You brought up an interesting thought/question. I have been a CentOS fan for many years, essentially since I moved off of SCO Linux and Solaris(for SPARC). But now with the implementation of system and its pervasity, I have been looking at/condsidering other OS’es. BSD and Gentoo are the primary two. For systemd, most if not all of the mainstream linuxi are already on systemd. Here are a couple of links for some systemd background: http://0pointer.de/public/gnomeasia2014.pdf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd http://riaschissl.bestsolution.at/2015/07/systemd-the-linux-dilemma-and-why-... Probably best to not bring up opinions on system. It has and can cause irate comments. What OS are most people running for vexim and exim4u? Helmut From: users [mailto:users-bounces(a)exim4u.org] On Behalf Of Odhiambo Washington Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 3:36 AM To: Exim4U General Discussion Subject: Re: [Exim4U] CentOS7/systemd On 4 April 2016 at 19:39, Helmut Fritz <helmut(a)fritz.us.com> wrote: Hello, First message here. I am looking to get off of qmailtoaster (been running it for many, many years) since even it is not well maintained any more. I am looking at either postfix or exim, and an easy tool to manage them (limited free time=hobby business). I ran across exim4u and it looks like it might fit the bill. Other platforms I am looking at are ISPConfig and BlueOnyx (yes, I know, sendmail), Xeams, Virtualmin. I know all of those are not email only, but I hope I can just ignore the other portions of those application stacks. I do like that exim4U is first for email, exactly what I want/need. I do have a couple questions: 1. Is it maintained and being further developed? I am not concerned if it is slow development, but what exists should be relatively solid. 2. Will it run on CentOS7 or other systemd platforms? Seems they are all pretty much going that way unfortunately. I don't know what systemd is, but I will google. I use FreeBSD mostly. Exim runs on Ubuntu. However, Exim4U requires just php+apache+mysql IIRC. If those are installable on a systemd OS, then it will run. Exim as an MTA should run on all *nix OS IIRC. So I guess you have no problem ahead with Exim4U. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft."
Like Harald, I run most of my servers on FreeBSD. The only time I run Linux is when I have to run something that runs better off Linux than FreeBSD. It's a long time since I found myself in such a situation with the Zimbra monster :-) On 5 April 2016 at 20:20, Harald Valkanover <valki(a)valki.com> wrote:
I doubt that there are any stats – but maybe Gordon has more info on that one.
Personally, I am running all mail servers with exim4u on FreeBSD.
Maybe you should just give it a shot and install it as trying exim4u gives you more information and “feeling” than all discussion… installing is not that much work.
Valki
*Von:* users [mailto:users-bounces(a)exim4u.org] *Im Auftrag von *Helmut Fritz *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 5. April 2016 19:16 *An:* 'Exim4U General Discussion' <users(a)exim4u.org> *Betreff:* Re: [Exim4U] CentOS7/systemd
Odhiambo,
You brought up an interesting thought/question.
I have been a CentOS fan for many years, essentially since I moved off of SCO Linux and Solaris(for SPARC). But now with the implementation of system and its pervasity, I have been looking at/condsidering other OS’es. BSD and Gentoo are the primary two.
For systemd, most if not all of the mainstream linuxi are already on systemd. Here are a couple of links for some systemd background:
http://0pointer.de/public/gnomeasia2014.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd
http://riaschissl.bestsolution.at/2015/07/systemd-the-linux-dilemma-and-why-...
Probably best to not bring up opinions on system. It has and can cause irate comments.
What OS are most people running for vexim and exim4u?
Helmut
*From:* users [mailto:users-bounces(a)exim4u.org <users-bounces(a)exim4u.org>] *On Behalf Of *Odhiambo Washington *Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2016 3:36 AM *To:* Exim4U General Discussion *Subject:* Re: [Exim4U] CentOS7/systemd
On 4 April 2016 at 19:39, Helmut Fritz <helmut(a)fritz.us.com> wrote:
Hello,
First message here. I am looking to get off of qmailtoaster (been running it for many, many years) since even it is not well maintained any more.
I am looking at either postfix or exim, and an easy tool to manage them (limited free time=hobby business). I ran across exim4u and it looks like it might fit the bill. Other platforms I am looking at are ISPConfig and BlueOnyx (yes, I know, sendmail), Xeams, Virtualmin. I know all of those are not email only, but I hope I can just ignore the other portions of those application stacks. I do like that exim4U is first for email, exactly what I want/need. I do have a couple questions:
1. Is it maintained and being further developed? I am not concerned if it is slow development, but what exists should be relatively solid.
2. Will it run on CentOS7 or other systemd platforms? Seems they are all pretty much going that way unfortunately.
I don't know what systemd is, but I will google. I use FreeBSD mostly. Exim runs on Ubuntu. However, Exim4U requires just php+apache+mysql IIRC. If those are installable on a systemd OS, then it will run. Exim as an MTA should run on all *nix OS IIRC. So I guess you have no problem ahead with Exim4U.
--
Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft."
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Gordon, Thx much, yes I have been through the CentOS-new-server dance a 3-4 times over the last 10 years or so. It is somewhat painful, but doable. Interestingly enough I just installed a FreeBSD VM this morning and have been 'playing' with setting it up for exim4u. I was almost lost at first, started some googling, etc. and it all started coming back from my Unix days (Sequent, HP and then SPARC). Getting along well with it now, and your recipes help a lot. I will probably just stick with this if it all works well without too much jumping through hoops. Thanks for creating/maintaining the exim4u tool, even though I have not quite gotten to using it yet (maybe tomorrow!). Helmut From: users [mailto:users-bounces(a)exim4u.org] On Behalf Of Gordon Dickens Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 4:35 PM To: Exim4U General Discussion Subject: Re: [Exim4U] CentOS7/systemd Hi Helmut, Exim4u should run successively on FreeBSD or any of the leading Linux distros. Personally, my preference among the Linux distros would be Debian and I like FreeBSD Unix very much too. I currently am running several Debian installations along with a FreeBSD installation. These days CentOS, or any of the Red Hat derivatives, are probably the most stable operating systems around. After all, Red Hat is now doing a multi-billion dollar business annually selling Linux services and support to large enterprises world wide. Fortune 500 companies can not afford buggy software and/or updates and that is the quality of the software that you will get with any Red Hat derivative including CentOS. I ran CentOS on alot of installs up until a couple of years ago when I started migrating away from that. The great thing about the Red Hat derivatives, such as CentOS, is that it is supported for 10 years (without upgrade) and it is ultra stable in that you will never get an update that includes a hiccup, which is not the case with most other Linux distros such as debian and FreeBSD as well. The bad thing about CentOS is that all of the software is seldom upgraded beyond the initial release except for security updates and bug fixes. For example, if you were to start with Exim 4.82 on a given CentOS install then that is what you will have for the entire 10 year life of the OS. There are other repositories, such as epel, which offer current software versions for CentOS but that can introduce other problems as well. Also, with CentOS, you can not upgrade from a major version of CentOS to another. For instance, you cannot upgrade from CentOS 6 to CentOS 7, etc. On the other hand, with FreeBSD or Debian, a major upgrade is offered every two years to the then current OS version and which provides current versions for all included software packages too. Don't get me wrong, there can be problems with these biennial upgrades as well, however, the whole idea is for the upgrades to be successful with minimal problems and disruptions. So, if your primary objective is stability then you cannot beat CentOS. However, if you go with CentOS and want to keep fairly up-to-date with your software, then you will need to build a new CentOS install from scratch every three to five years or so since you can't upgrade it and most of the software that you have is whatever you started out with (except for security updates and bug fixes). FreeBSD is a really cool operating system and fun to work with. WIth FreeBSD, you will get current releases of most software, including exim, within days or a few weeks of release. Its also very easy to customize FreeBSD software packages any way that you want with the FreeBSD ports collection. So, if you want to run the most current software available and be able to customize the source and easily recompile any application package then you cannot beat FreeBSD. For me, I have come to the conclusion that Debian provides the best blend of current software and stability. Nevertheless, I would never want to be without a FreeBSD installation for experimentation, testing and to just have fun with. Good luck! Gordon On 04/05/2016 01:20 PM, Harald Valkanover wrote: I doubt that there are any stats - but maybe Gordon has more info on that one. Personally, I am running all mail servers with exim4u on FreeBSD. Maybe you should just give it a shot and install it as trying exim4u gives you more information and "feeling" than all discussion. installing is not that much work. Valki Von: users [mailto:users-bounces(a)exim4u.org] Im Auftrag von Helmut Fritz Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. April 2016 19:16 An: 'Exim4U General Discussion' <mailto:users(a)exim4u.org> <users(a)exim4u.org> Betreff: Re: [Exim4U] CentOS7/systemd Odhiambo, You brought up an interesting thought/question. I have been a CentOS fan for many years, essentially since I moved off of SCO Linux and Solaris(for SPARC). But now with the implementation of system and its pervasity, I have been looking at/condsidering other OS'es. BSD and Gentoo are the primary two. For systemd, most if not all of the mainstream linuxi are already on systemd. Here are a couple of links for some systemd background: http://0pointer.de/public/gnomeasia2014.pdf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd http://riaschissl.bestsolution.at/2015/07/systemd-the-linux-dilemma-and-why- we-will-migrate-away-from-debian/ Probably best to not bring up opinions on system. It has and can cause irate comments. What OS are most people running for vexim and exim4u? Helmut From: users [mailto:users-bounces(a)exim4u.org] On Behalf Of Odhiambo Washington Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 3:36 AM To: Exim4U General Discussion Subject: Re: [Exim4U] CentOS7/systemd On 4 April 2016 at 19:39, Helmut Fritz <helmut(a)fritz.us.com> wrote: Hello, First message here. I am looking to get off of qmailtoaster (been running it for many, many years) since even it is not well maintained any more. I am looking at either postfix or exim, and an easy tool to manage them (limited free time=hobby business). I ran across exim4u and it looks like it might fit the bill. Other platforms I am looking at are ISPConfig and BlueOnyx (yes, I know, sendmail), Xeams, Virtualmin. I know all of those are not email only, but I hope I can just ignore the other portions of those application stacks. I do like that exim4U is first for email, exactly what I want/need. I do have a couple questions: 1. Is it maintained and being further developed? I am not concerned if it is slow development, but what exists should be relatively solid. 2. Will it run on CentOS7 or other systemd platforms? Seems they are all pretty much going that way unfortunately. I don't know what systemd is, but I will google. I use FreeBSD mostly. Exim runs on Ubuntu. However, Exim4U requires just php+apache+mysql IIRC. If those are installable on a systemd OS, then it will run. Exim as an MTA should run on all *nix OS IIRC. So I guess you have no problem ahead with Exim4U. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft." _______________________________________________ users mailing list users(a)exim4u.org https://exim4u.org/mailman/listinfo/users
We are many FreeBSD users around here:-) On 6 April 2016 at 03:14, Helmut Fritz <helmut(a)fritz.us.com> wrote:
Gordon,
Thx much, yes I have been through the CentOS-new-server dance a 3-4 times over the last 10 years or so. It is somewhat painful, but doable.
Interestingly enough I just installed a FreeBSD VM this morning and have been ‘playing’ with setting it up for exim4u. I was almost lost at first, started some googling, etc. and it all started coming back from my Unix days (Sequent, HP and then SPARC). Getting along well with it now, and your recipes help a lot.
I will probably just stick with this if it all works well without too much jumping through hoops.
Thanks for creating/maintaining the exim4u tool, even though I have not quite gotten to using it yet (maybe tomorrow!).
Helmut
*From:* users [mailto:users-bounces(a)exim4u.org] *On Behalf Of *Gordon Dickens *Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2016 4:35 PM
*To:* Exim4U General Discussion *Subject:* Re: [Exim4U] CentOS7/systemd
Hi Helmut,
Exim4u should run successively on FreeBSD or any of the leading Linux distros. Personally, my preference among the Linux distros would be Debian and I like FreeBSD Unix very much too. I currently am running several Debian installations along with a FreeBSD installation.
These days CentOS, or any of the Red Hat derivatives, are probably the most stable operating systems around. After all, Red Hat is now doing a multi-billion dollar business annually selling Linux services and support to large enterprises world wide. Fortune 500 companies can not afford buggy software and/or updates and that is the quality of the software that you will get with any Red Hat derivative including CentOS.
I ran CentOS on alot of installs up until a couple of years ago when I started migrating away from that. The great thing about the Red Hat derivatives, such as CentOS, is that it is supported for 10 years (without upgrade) and it is ultra stable in that you will never get an update that includes a hiccup, which is not the case with most other Linux distros such as debian and FreeBSD as well. The bad thing about CentOS is that all of the software is seldom upgraded beyond the initial release except for security updates and bug fixes. For example, if you were to start with Exim 4.82 on a given CentOS install then that is what you will have for the entire 10 year life of the OS. There are other repositories, such as epel, which offer current software versions for CentOS but that can introduce other problems as well. Also, with CentOS, you can not upgrade from a major version of CentOS to another. For instance, you cannot upgrade from CentOS 6 to CentOS 7, etc.
On the other hand, with FreeBSD or Debian, a major upgrade is offered every two years to the then current OS version and which provides current versions for all included software packages too. Don't get me wrong, there can be problems with these biennial upgrades as well, however, the whole idea is for the upgrades to be successful with minimal problems and disruptions.
So, if your primary objective is stability then you cannot beat CentOS. However, if you go with CentOS and want to keep fairly up-to-date with your software, then you will need to build a new CentOS install from scratch every three to five years or so since you can't upgrade it and most of the software that you have is whatever you started out with (except for security updates and bug fixes).
FreeBSD is a really cool operating system and fun to work with. WIth FreeBSD, you will get current releases of most software, including exim, within days or a few weeks of release. Its also very easy to customize FreeBSD software packages any way that you want with the FreeBSD ports collection. So, if you want to run the most current software available and be able to customize the source and easily recompile any application package then you cannot beat FreeBSD.
For me, I have come to the conclusion that Debian provides the best blend of current software and stability. Nevertheless, I would never want to be without a FreeBSD installation for experimentation, testing and to just have fun with.
Good luck!
Gordon
On 04/05/2016 01:20 PM, Harald Valkanover wrote:
I doubt that there are any stats – but maybe Gordon has more info on that one.
Personally, I am running all mail servers with exim4u on FreeBSD.
Maybe you should just give it a shot and install it as trying exim4u gives you more information and “feeling” than all discussion… installing is not that much work.
Valki
*Von:* users [mailto:users-bounces(a)exim4u.org <users-bounces(a)exim4u.org>] *Im Auftrag von *Helmut Fritz *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 5. April 2016 19:16 *An:* 'Exim4U General Discussion' <users(a)exim4u.org> <users(a)exim4u.org> *Betreff:* Re: [Exim4U] CentOS7/systemd
Odhiambo,
You brought up an interesting thought/question.
I have been a CentOS fan for many years, essentially since I moved off of SCO Linux and Solaris(for SPARC). But now with the implementation of system and its pervasity, I have been looking at/condsidering other OS’es. BSD and Gentoo are the primary two.
For systemd, most if not all of the mainstream linuxi are already on systemd. Here are a couple of links for some systemd background:
http://0pointer.de/public/gnomeasia2014.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd
http://riaschissl.bestsolution.at/2015/07/systemd-the-linux-dilemma-and-why-...
Probably best to not bring up opinions on system. It has and can cause irate comments.
What OS are most people running for vexim and exim4u?
Helmut
*From:* users [mailto:users-bounces(a)exim4u.org <users-bounces(a)exim4u.org>] *On Behalf Of *Odhiambo Washington *Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2016 3:36 AM *To:* Exim4U General Discussion *Subject:* Re: [Exim4U] CentOS7/systemd
On 4 April 2016 at 19:39, Helmut Fritz <helmut(a)fritz.us.com> wrote:
Hello,
First message here. I am looking to get off of qmailtoaster (been running it for many, many years) since even it is not well maintained any more.
I am looking at either postfix or exim, and an easy tool to manage them (limited free time=hobby business). I ran across exim4u and it looks like it might fit the bill. Other platforms I am looking at are ISPConfig and BlueOnyx (yes, I know, sendmail), Xeams, Virtualmin. I know all of those are not email only, but I hope I can just ignore the other portions of those application stacks. I do like that exim4U is first for email, exactly what I want/need. I do have a couple questions:
1. Is it maintained and being further developed? I am not concerned if it is slow development, but what exists should be relatively solid.
2. Will it run on CentOS7 or other systemd platforms? Seems they are all pretty much going that way unfortunately.
I don't know what systemd is, but I will google. I use FreeBSD mostly. Exim runs on Ubuntu. However, Exim4U requires just php+apache+mysql IIRC. If those are installable on a systemd OS, then it will run. Exim as an MTA should run on all *nix OS IIRC. So I guess you have no problem ahead with Exim4U.
--
Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft."
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