Dear Gordon, dear list, first I would like to thank the vexim developers for their work and Gordon for the great job to create exim4u. I have a question concerning SpamBox. It seems that the functionality is not very well documented. I would like to know what happens if I activate the Spam Box. I guess that mails that are identified as Spam are stored in this SpamBox. What is the score for this? And are these Mails still taged as Spam or is the tagging replaced by the move to the Spam folder? Personally I would like to achieve a situation such that mails with score higher than a given value are stored in the Spam folder and all others in the normal inbox. I do not want tagging at all. Is this possible? I would appreciate if this could be added to the documentation. Kind regards, Udo
On 10/17/2010 05:11 PM, Udo Hortian wrote:
I have a question concerning SpamBox. It seems that the functionality is not very well documented. I would like to know what happens if I activate the Spam Box. I guess that mails that are identified as Spam are stored in this SpamBox. What is the score for this? And are these Mails still taged as Spam or is the tagging replaced by the move to the Spam folder?
Hi Udo, The Spambox is simply the server's spam folder. Mail with a spam score that is between each user's specified tag score and discard score are stored in this folder. More documentation on Exim4U's spam handling is included in etc/exim/exim4u_global_spam_virus. The spam folders are accessable by all IMAP users, however, POP users do not automatically have access to their spam folders. The concept of the Spambox is designed primarily for POP users. That is, it provides a mechanism for POP users to be aware of what is in their spam folders on the server. There are two Spambox scripts which provide functionality and information about each user's spam folder on the server. The reports are: xtrasw/spam_box_report/spamreport xtrasw/spam_box_delete/spamdel The spamreport script provides each user a daily report of the contents of their spam folder which can be quite useful for POP users that do not otherwise have access to their server side spam folders. The spamreport also includes a link to webmail for accessing each user's server side spam folder. Whereas the spamdel script deletes all mail in each user's spambox (server spam folder) that is over a certain number of days old (default is 10 days) and also reports summary statistics for all users' spam folders to the mail server's system administrator. This is useful since POP users would otherwise not ever check their spam folders and so the server's spam folders could grow forever otherwise.
Personally I would like to achieve a situation such that mails with score higher than a given value are stored in the Spam folder and all others in the normal inbox.
That is exactly the purpose of the Spambox.
I do not want tagging at all. Is this possible?
If you do not want to tag the mail in your spam folders then edit etc/exim.conf and, in the "headers_add" statements, remove all occurances of "Subject: [SPAMTAGTEXT] $h_Subject:\n". There are three (3) instances to be removed.
I would appreciate if this could be added to the documentation.
Thanks for the recommendation. Please amend the documentation (or at least provide an outline of your recommended changes) and forward your revisions on to me for inclusion and I will incorporate them into the documentation. Thanks, Gordon
Hi Udo, Oops! I goofed when I wrote the following:
If you do not want to tag the mail in your spam folders then edit etc/exim.conf and, in the "headers_add" statements, remove all occurances of "Subject: [SPAMTAGTEXT] $h_Subject:\n". There are three (3) instances to be removed.
That will not work. Sorry! You should only remove "[SPAMTAGTEXT]" in the headers_add statements in exim.conf. The above paragraph in my prior email should read as follows instead: If you do not want to tag the mail in your spam folders then edit etc/exim.conf and, in the "headers_add" statements, remove all occurances of "[SPAMTAGTEXT]". There are three (3) instances to be removed. FYI, Gordon On 10/17/2010 09:36 PM, Gordon Dickens wrote:
On 10/17/2010 05:11 PM, Udo Hortian wrote:
I have a question concerning SpamBox. It seems that the functionality is not very well documented. I would like to know what happens if I activate the Spam Box. I guess that mails that are identified as Spam are stored in this SpamBox. What is the score for this? And are these Mails still taged as Spam or is the tagging replaced by the move to the Spam folder?
Hi Udo,
The Spambox is simply the server's spam folder. Mail with a spam score that is between each user's specified tag score and discard score are stored in this folder. More documentation on Exim4U's spam handling is included in etc/exim/exim4u_global_spam_virus.
The spam folders are accessable by all IMAP users, however, POP users do not automatically have access to their spam folders. The concept of the Spambox is designed primarily for POP users. That is, it provides a mechanism for POP users to be aware of what is in their spam folders on the server. There are two Spambox scripts which provide functionality and information about each user's spam folder on the server. The reports are:
xtrasw/spam_box_report/spamreport xtrasw/spam_box_delete/spamdel
The spamreport script provides each user a daily report of the contents of their spam folder which can be quite useful for POP users that do not otherwise have access to their server side spam folders. The spamreport also includes a link to webmail for accessing each user's server side spam folder. Whereas the spamdel script deletes all mail in each user's spambox (server spam folder) that is over a certain number of days old (default is 10 days) and also reports summary statistics for all users' spam folders to the mail server's system administrator. This is useful since POP users would otherwise not ever check their spam folders and so the server's spam folders could grow forever otherwise.
Personally I would like to achieve a situation such that mails with score higher than a given value are stored in the Spam folder and all others in the normal inbox.
That is exactly the purpose of the Spambox.
I do not want tagging at all. Is this possible?
If you do not want to tag the mail in your spam folders then edit etc/exim.conf and, in the "headers_add" statements, remove all occurances of "Subject: [SPAMTAGTEXT] $h_Subject:\n". There are three (3) instances to be removed.
I would appreciate if this could be added to the documentation.
Thanks for the recommendation. Please amend the documentation (or at least provide an outline of your recommended changes) and forward your revisions on to me for inclusion and I will incorporate them into the documentation.
Thanks,
Gordon
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Hello Gordon, thank you for your advise. On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 06:04:43AM -0400, Gordon Dickens wrote:
Hi Udo,
Oops! I goofed when I wrote the following:
If you do not want to tag the mail in your spam folders then edit etc/exim.conf and, in the "headers_add" statements, remove all occurances of "Subject: [SPAMTAGTEXT] $h_Subject:\n". There are three (3) instances to be removed.
That will not work. Sorry! You should only remove "[SPAMTAGTEXT]" in the headers_add statements in exim.conf. The above paragraph in my prior email should read as follows instead:
If you do not want to tag the mail in your spam folders then edit etc/exim.conf and, in the "headers_add" statements, remove all occurances of "[SPAMTAGTEXT]". There are three (3) instances to be removed. If I understand correctly, this would disable tagging totally. What I want in fact is that the tag is added to the Subject if the mail is stored in the Inbox, but that it is not added if it is stored in the SpamBox (this already makes the user know that it is spam, so IMHO no tagging is necessary in this case).
I would like to propose two little change to exim4u: If one would store the value "[SPAM]" (or "[BULK]" or whatever) in the variable SpamTagText, then one could easily disable tagging by just setting this variable to the empty string. Is not it? I am not an expert on exim, but I guess this should be possible. It would just mean to change the lines you mentioned above to "Subject: SPAMTAGTEXT $h_Subject:\n" instead of "Subject: [SPAMTAGTEXT] $h_Subject:\n" and to make the corresponding change in /etc/exim/exim4u_global_spam_virus, right? I think this would easily allow people to disable tagging. To achieve the goal I mentioned above (no tagging for mails stored in SpamBox, but tagging for those stored in the inbox) one may introduce a second variable similar to SpamTagText. Maybe one could use the following two instead: SpamTagTextInbox and SpamTagTextSpambox and use them in the routers virtual_domains and virtual_spam_boxes respectively. If I understand correctly, something like this should do the job, right? I would be interested in your opinion on this. Best regards, Udo
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