My Evening in Jail (O.K, next to Jail)
O.K, before the moderator tells me to take this conversation off the list - I wish to promise that it will end with an IT twist... Yesterday evening, I was stopped by the Traffic Police at Madaraka Roundabout (next to Strath University). As a law abiding citizen, I stopped and without being asked, I opened the boot, stepped out and handed over my Driving Licence. After 5minutes (eternity for me!) I realised that the young police officer was struggling with his torch trying to shine the lamp on my annual renewal licences. I moved closer and he seemed happy to have discoverd and even happier to confirm that I had FORGED it (what???). He was alleging that it expired last year and since I was the clever-one, i simply extended the year by overwriting the original deadline and replacing it with next year (i.e from 2006 to 2008 expiry date) I tried to say indeed the overwriting was truly there, but it must have been done by the KRA (Kenya Revenue Officials, they are human and can make mistakes) but he was adamant that I must visit their Police station and be checked in. I tried to say that if I had committed a traffic offence , I would have expected that he would write me a ticket/summons? to appear in court sometime later in the week and stand accused awaiting defence/judgement/penalty..(lawyers could correct me on that). Later on he agreed that he will write the Summons from the Poice Station and so we drove to the nearest police station for this summons to be written. We reached there (Nyayo Stadium Police Station) and he asked me to sit right next to the Cells (which were full of some very mean looking 'Matheri' type of characters). After 5min, he came back to say that his Boss, the Officer in Charge of the Station is not in and so I have to be locked in until tomorrow morning, when he will come and write me the summons (hallooo??- next to THOSE guys?). To cut down the story, my wife new someone, who knew some Senior cop, whom she called and he eventually gave instructions to have me released - on Condition that I apologise for the offense (O.K. now what had I done again?). Here is the IT angle - isn't it time their website www.kenyapolice.go.ke gave the Citizens the correct position regarding Police Procedures for Civil/Criminal offence? I mean I never knew a traffic offence could earn you 1-night accomodation with General Ali's (the Police Commissioner) guests. Further more, when are those so called Tamper-proof Driving Licences going to hit the market? walu. nb: the overwriting was explained to me by KRA this morning - they say that it often happens and all they do is to double-stamp the affected license which they actually done- but I never knew the implication of that double-stamp. Am sure the young Police Officer had seen the double-stamping but was not in a hurry to educate me - he preferred to drag me to next to his cells for whatever (you are allowed to speculate) reasons. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL
Dear Walu, You must thank God many times, that your dear wife knew someone important Cop, otherwise, Imagine hungry Matheris would have worked on you promptly each wanting to extract something good from you, before you are engulfed by ................... Pole Walu... David John Walubengo <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
O.K, before the moderator tells me to take this conversation off the list - I wish to promise that it will end with an IT twist...
Yesterday evening, I was stopped by the Traffic Police at Madaraka Roundabout (next to Strath University). As a law abiding citizen, I stopped and without being asked, I opened the boot, stepped out and handed over my Driving Licence.
After 5minutes (eternity for me!) I realised that the young police officer was struggling with his torch trying to shine the lamp on my annual renewal licences. I moved closer and he seemed happy to have discoverd and even happier to confirm that I had FORGED it (what???). He was alleging that it expired last year and since I was the clever-one, i simply extended the year by overwriting the original deadline and replacing it with next year (i.e from 2006 to 2008 expiry date)
I tried to say indeed the overwriting was truly there, but it must have been done by the KRA (Kenya Revenue Officials, they are human and can make mistakes) but he was adamant that I must visit their Police station and be checked in. I tried to say that if I had committed a traffic offence , I would have expected that he would write me a ticket/summons? to appear in court sometime later in the week and stand accused awaiting defence/judgement/penalty..(lawyers could correct me on that).
Later on he agreed that he will write the Summons from the Poice Station and so we drove to the nearest police station for this summons to be written. We reached there (Nyayo Stadium Police Station) and he asked me to sit right next to the Cells (which were full of some very mean looking 'Matheri' type of characters).
After 5min, he came back to say that his Boss, the Officer in Charge of the Station is not in and so I have to be locked in until tomorrow morning, when he will come and write me the summons (hallooo??- next to THOSE guys?).
To cut down the story, my wife new someone, who knew some Senior cop, whom she called and he eventually gave instructions to have me released - on Condition that I apologise for the offense (O.K. now what had I done again?).
Here is the IT angle - isn't it time their website www.kenyapolice.go.ke gave the Citizens the correct position regarding Police Procedures for Civil/Criminal offence? I mean I never knew a traffic offence could earn you 1-night accomodation with General Ali's (the Police Commissioner) guests. Further more, when are those so called Tamper-proof Driving Licences going to hit the market?
walu. nb: the overwriting was explained to me by KRA this morning - they say that it often happens and all they do is to double-stamp the affected license which they actually done- but I never knew the implication of that double-stamp. Am sure the young Police Officer had seen the double-stamping but was not in a hurry to educate me - he preferred to drag me to next to his cells for whatever (you are allowed to speculate) reasons.
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Ce'st lavie walu. jose' David Sparrow Malaba <sdmalaba@yahoo.com> wrote: Dear Walu, You must thank God many times, that your dear wife knew someone important Cop, otherwise, Imagine hungry Matheris would have worked on you promptly each wanting to extract something good from you, before you are engulfed by ................... Pole Walu... David John Walubengo wrote:
O.K, before the moderator tells me to take this conversation off the list - I wish to promise that it will end with an IT twist...
Yesterday evening, I was stopped by the Traffic Police at Madaraka Roundabout (next to Strath University). As a law abiding citizen, I stopped and without being asked, I opened the boot, stepped out and handed over my Driving Licence.
After 5minutes (eternity for me!) I realised that the young police officer was struggling with his torch trying to shine the lamp on my annual renewal licences. I moved closer and he seemed happy to have discoverd and even happier to confirm that I had FORGED it (what???). He was alleging that it expired last year and since I was the clever-one, i simply extended the year by overwriting the original deadline and replacing it with next year (i.e from 2006 to 2008 expiry date)
I tried to say indeed the overwriting was truly there, but it must have been done by the KRA (Kenya Revenue Officials, they are human and can make mistakes) but he was adamant that I must visit their Police station and be checked in. I tried to say that if I had committed a traffic offence , I would have expected that he would write me a ticket/summons? to appear in court sometime later in the week and stand accused awaiting defence/judgement/penalty..(lawyers could correct me on that).
Later on he agreed that he will write the Summons from the Poice Station and so we drove to the nearest police station for this summons to be written. We reached there (Nyayo Stadium Police Station) and he asked me to sit right next to the Cells (which were full of some very mean looking 'Matheri' type of characters).
After 5min, he came back to say that his Boss, the Officer in Charge of the Station is not in and so I have to be locked in until tomorrow morning, when he will come and write me the summons (hallooo??- next to THOSE guys?).
To cut down the story, my wife new someone, who knew some Senior cop, whom she called and he eventually gave instructions to have me released - on Condition that I apologise for the offense (O.K. now what had I done again?).
Here is the IT angle - isn't it time their website www.kenyapolice.go.ke gave the Citizens the correct position regarding Police Procedures for Civil/Criminal offence? I mean I never knew a traffic offence could earn you 1-night accomodation with General Ali's (the Police Commissioner) guests. Further more, when are those so called Tamper-proof Driving Licences going to hit the market?
walu. nb: the overwriting was explained to me by KRA this morning - they say that it often happens and all they do is to double-stamp the affected license which they actually done- but I never knew the implication of that double-stamp. Am sure the young Police Officer had seen the double-stamping but was not in a hurry to educate me - he preferred to drag me to next to his cells for whatever (you are allowed to speculate) reasons.
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Dear law-abiding Walu, (having narrowly escaped the "ex-con" status ;-) Technology is not about shiny gadgets and software programs, its about people. If the people end up in cells after KRA spends billions on IT systems and other costly whatever-proof this and that, then it may be for no use besides fashionable excuses to spend mali yetu? Your example further illustrates the potential dangers of patch-worked ICTs to innocent citizens thus, and the account is nothing but all iCt with the "C"ommunication enabler/enhancement role of technology loudly missing. I always thought the Police had radios, mobile phones, and fueled vehicles to reach their "Wakubwas" whenever necessary 24/7/365? How come sometimes they are unreachable? Again, who should apologize here? Walu, the young officer, or KRA? KRA admitted responsibility which cost you mental anguish, self-esteem, embarrassment, great inconveniences, and family distress, etc hopefully lawyers, ought help Walu get compensation entitlements from KRA. Ndugu yangu, I feel your pain. /Alex John Walubengo <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: O.K, before the moderator tells me to take this conversation off the list - I wish to promise that it will end with an IT twist... --------------------------------- Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends.
John Someone told me they call it TKK over there. You see unfortunately in the interest of valuing our time we law abiding citizens are sometimes driven to giving the ocassional bribe to traffic police. The gamble was you knew no one and you would do a quick mental arithmetic and dig deep in your pocket to prevent the night in the cell, however you put your IT tool (mobile phone ) to good use. In the old days that would be a night in the cell and a worthless caution in the morning or an apology. John Walubengo wrote:
O.K, before the moderator tells me to take this conversation off the list - I wish to promise that it will end with an IT twist...
Yesterday evening, I was stopped by the Traffic Police at Madaraka Roundabout (next to Strath University). As a law abiding citizen, I stopped and without being asked, I opened the boot, stepped out and handed over my Driving Licence.
After 5minutes (eternity for me!) I realised that the young police officer was struggling with his torch trying to shine the lamp on my annual renewal licences. I moved closer and he seemed happy to have discoverd and even happier to confirm that I had FORGED it (what???). He was alleging that it expired last year and since I was the clever-one, i simply extended the year by overwriting the original deadline and replacing it with next year (i.e from 2006 to 2008 expiry date)
I tried to say indeed the overwriting was truly there, but it must have been done by the KRA (Kenya Revenue Officials, they are human and can make mistakes) but he was adamant that I must visit their Police station and be checked in. I tried to say that if I had committed a traffic offence , I would have expected that he would write me a ticket/summons? to appear in court sometime later in the week and stand accused awaiting defence/judgement/penalty..(lawyers could correct me on that).
Later on he agreed that he will write the Summons from the Poice Station and so we drove to the nearest police station for this summons to be written. We reached there (Nyayo Stadium Police Station) and he asked me to sit right next to the Cells (which were full of some very mean looking 'Matheri' type of characters).
After 5min, he came back to say that his Boss, the Officer in Charge of the Station is not in and so I have to be locked in until tomorrow morning, when he will come and write me the summons (hallooo??- next to THOSE guys?).
To cut down the story, my wife new someone, who knew some Senior cop, whom she called and he eventually gave instructions to have me released - on Condition that I apologise for the offense (O.K. now what had I done again?).
Here is the IT angle - isn't it time their website www.kenyapolice.go.ke gave the Citizens the correct position regarding Police Procedures for Civil/Criminal offence? I mean I never knew a traffic offence could earn you 1-night accomodation with General Ali's (the Police Commissioner) guests. Further more, when are those so called Tamper-proof Driving Licences going to hit the market?
walu. nb: the overwriting was explained to me by KRA this morning - they say that it often happens and all they do is to double-stamp the affected license which they actually done- but I never knew the implication of that double-stamp. Am sure the young Police Officer had seen the double-stamping but was not in a hurry to educate me - he preferred to drag me to next to his cells for whatever (you are allowed to speculate) reasons.
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On Mar 7, 2007, at 4:56 PM, John Walubengo wrote:
Here is the IT angle - isn't it time their website www.kenyapolice.go.ke gave the Citizens the correct position regarding Police Procedures for Civil/Criminal offence? I mean I never knew a traffic offence could earn you 1-night accomodation with General Ali's (the Police Commissioner) guests. Further more, when are those so called Tamper-proof Driving Licences going to hit the market?
Hi John, Thanks for sharing (in your v. pleasant style) your experience. Actually I think you are letting us off a bit easily by only suggesting procedures be on the Police website. I would go a bit further. Every Mobile Police Unit and/or Traffic stop have a functional laptop with wireless access to various databases: - IDs / Passports/ Work Permits / Visa - Driving License - Car Registration - Criminal Records Database That way by simply running a couple of simple queries they would immediately know whether you are worthy of being offered free accomodation. Regards, Mblayo ---------- Brian Longwe +254(0) 20 445 2327 - t Chief Executive Officer +254(0) 722 518744 - m InHand Limited +254(0) 733 518744 - m M3, Westlands Court, +254(0) 20 374 7881 - f Westlands Close, Westlands Rd. www.inhand.co.ke P.O. Box 30054-00100 SIP: 30753274@sip.epygi.com Nairobi, Kenya
Brian, Integrating below developments from news just received (courtesy of news@canarie.ca), your suggestion is not a dream but the way to go >>>> /Alex ----forward---- http://gigaom.com/2007/03/06/bt-to-invest-in-fon/ BT to Invest in FON? FON, the Spanish share-your-Wi-Fi services company, is close to announcing a new round of funding that could total to as much as 10 million Euros (shade over $13 million.) While some of its existing investors - Index Ventures, Skype and Google - that British Telecom is going to invest in the wireless router company. FON is the latest start-up by Spanish telecom entrepreneur, Martin Varsavsky, who has made a name for being a thorn in the side of incumbents. When I visited BT last summer while reporting a story for Business 2.0, the senior management of the British incumbent carrier was pretty bullish on the whole notion of dual-mode phones and municipal wireless. Dual-mode phones are phone that have Wi-Fi and cellular capabilities in one single handset, and in an ideal world there is a seamless handoff between the two networks once you are in range of a Wi-Fi network While this does seem like a distant dream, eventually it will happen. Nokia, for instance, is pretty confident that most of its mobile phones in the near future will have Wi-Fi capabilities built into them. BT can offer voice (and other services) over Wi-Fi when in range of a FON node, and when out of range it can switch to the Vodafone network for cellular access. T-Mobile USA is trying something similar up in the U.S. Northwest, though it is through a customer\'s own Wi-Fi network. Free.fr of France has also been playing with a similar idea and has bundled FON-like software in its residential gateways. ------------------------------------- To SUBSCRIBE: send a blank e-mail message to news-join@canarie.ca To UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email message to news-leave@canarie.ca ------------------------------------- These news items and comments are mine alone and do not necessarily reflect ",1] ); //-->are coming back with more cash, the word from telecom circles in Europe is that British Telecom is going to invest in the wireless router company. FON is the latest start-up by Spanish telecom entrepreneur, Martin Varsavsky, who has made a name for being a thorn in the side of incumbents. When I visited BT last summer while reporting a story for Business 2.0, the senior management of the British incumbent carrier was pretty bullish on the whole notion of dual-mode phones and municipal wireless. Dual-mode phones are phone that have Wi-Fi and cellular capabilities in one single handset, and in an ideal world there is a seamless handoff between the two networks once you are in range of a Wi-Fi network While this does seem like a distant dream, eventually it will happen. Nokia, for instance, is pretty confident that most of its mobile phones in the near future will have Wi-Fi capabilities built into them. BT can offer voice (and other services) over Wi-Fi when in range of a FON node, and when out of range it can switch to the Vodafone network for cellular access. T-Mobile USA is trying something similar up in the U.S. Northwest, though it is through a customer's own Wi-Fi network. Free.fr of France has also been playing with a similar idea and has bundled FON-like software in its residential gateways. --ends-- Brian Longwe <brian@isisweb.nl> wrote: On Mar 7, 2007, at 4:56 PM, John Walubengo wrote: Here is the IT angle - isn't it time their website www.kenyapolice.go.ke gave the Citizens the correct position regarding Police Procedures for Civil/Criminal offence? I mean I never knew a traffic offence could earn you 1-night accomodation with General Ali's (the Police Commissioner) guests. Further more, when are those so called Tamper-proof Driving Licences going to hit the market? Hi John, Thanks for sharing (in your v. pleasant style) your experience. Actually I think you are letting us off a bit easily by only suggesting procedures be on the Police website. I would go a bit further. Every Mobile Police Unit and/or Traffic stop have a functional laptop with wireless access to various databases: - IDs / Passports/ Work Permits / Visa - Driving License - Car Registration - Criminal Records Database That way by simply running a couple of simple queries they would immediately know whether you are worthy of being offered free accomodation. Regards, Mblayo ---------- Brian Longwe +254(0) 20 445 2327 - t Chief Executive Officer +254(0) 722 518744 - m InHand Limited +254(0) 733 518744 - m M3, Westlands Court, +254(0) 20 374 7881 - f Westlands Close, Westlands Rd. www.inhand.co.ke P.O. Box 30054-00100 SIP: 30753274@sip.epygi.com Nairobi, Kenya _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@kictanet.or.ke http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Please unsubscribe or change your options at http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/alex.gakuru%40yahoo.com --------------------------------- Now that's room service! 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On Mar 7, 2007, at 7:32 PM, Alex Gakuru wrote:
Brian,
Integrating below developments from news just received (courtesy of news@canarie.ca), your suggestion is not a dream but the way to go >>>> Well pointed out Alex, actually it's like you read my mind. Here is some technology that we are trying to get into Kenya for Public Safety, Disaster Recovery and Urban Transit applications:
http://www.i-event.ru/infinet/Index_tab_river.html Regards, Brian
Brian, A while back (mid last year), CISCO initiated discussions with a number of partners (the Police included) to explore the use of wireless CCTV cameras along selected streets within the CBD to enhance public safety. The then OCPD for Nairobi was keen on wireless units for police patrols to ease response to crime. Does anyone know what became of CISCO's effort? At / À 07:51 PM 3/7/2007, Brian Longwe wrote / a écrit:
On Mar 7, 2007, at 7:32 PM, Alex Gakuru wrote:
Brian,
Integrating below developments from news just received (courtesy of news@canarie.ca), your suggestion is not a dream but the way to go >>>> Well pointed out Alex, actually it's like you read my mind. Here is some technology that we are trying to get into Kenya for Public Safety, Disaster Recovery and Urban Transit applications:
http://www.i-event.ru/infinet/Index_tab_river.html
Regards,
Brian
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On Mar 8, 2007, at 12:34 PM, Edith Adera wrote:
Does anyone know what became of CISCO's effort?
Thanks for mentioning this Edith. I don't know what happened to this but it might have lost steam because Police didn't have any computers. I understand the computerisation process only started in August and obviously it was initiated with HQ - don't know how far they've gone - whether they've been able to start computerising various departments not based at Vigilance hse..... Let's hope that they are making good progress otherwise whatever other systems come in place it might be a long while before the boys in blue can make use of them. Regards, Brian ---------- Brian Longwe +254(0) 20 445 2327 - t Chief Executive Officer +254(0) 722 518744 - m InHand Limited +254(0) 733 518744 - m M3, Westlands Court, +254(0) 20 374 7881 - f Westlands Close, Westlands Rd. www.inhand.co.ke P.O. Box 30054-00100 SIP: 30753274@sip.epygi.com Nairobi, Kenya
I discussed this issue with Simbanet before I left the Ministry in 2005, and they agreed to provide Y-max as a technology test case to monitor the CBD - a project which can be picked up easily by the Ministry of Tourism police department. Where else could the Ministry spend their budget if not in tourists protection. Actually any network operator could pick this as a challenge (choose a street of interest - very similar to Esther's street lighting project). CCTV Monitoring center could be at KICC where tourist police department offices are located. If you have had the opportunity to visit Santon, South Africa, and keen enough to look around you will notice a number of street lighting posts with monitoring cctv properly camouflaged. No one dears mess around on these streets any more. James Rege Juba, Sudan. On 3/8/07 9:56 AM, "Edith Adera" <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Brian,
A while back (mid last year), CISCO initiated discussions with a number of partners (the Police included) to explore the use of wireless CCTV cameras along selected streets within the CBD to enhance public safety.
The then OCPD for Nairobi was keen on wireless units for police patrols to ease response to crime.
Does anyone know what became of CISCO's effort?
At / À 07:51 PM 3/7/2007, Brian Longwe wrote / a écrit:
On Mar 7, 2007, at 7:32 PM, Alex Gakuru wrote:
Brian,
Integrating below developments from news just received (courtesy of news@canarie.ca), your suggestion is not a dream but the way to go >>>> Well pointed out Alex, actually it's like you read my mind. Here is some technology that we are trying to get into Kenya for Public Safety, Disaster Recovery and Urban Transit applications:
http://www.i-event.ru/infinet/Index_tab_river.html
Regards,
Brian
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Sir, Pole sana, Shows where we are @! with telkom kenya,bringing in new products every other day,why cant they for example try out a few Wi-Fi hotspots and place the cops there to use the mentioned facilities...on another note is the KRA database available to Kenya Police? Is the Imigration Database availabe to the Police? because there would no point to visit KRA offices...spend valuable time....doing what? If mkubwa could have been there,could He(Mr. Walubengo) be released? Kind regards, On 3/7/07, Alex Gakuru <alex.gakuru@yahoo.com> wrote:
Brian,
Integrating below developments from news just received (courtesy of news@canarie.ca), your suggestion is not a dream but the way to go >>>>
/Alex
----forward----
http://gigaom.com/2007/03/06/bt-to-invest-in-fon/
BT to Invest in FON?
FON, the Spanish share-your-Wi-Fi services company, is close to announcing a new round of funding that could total to as much as 10 million Euros (shade over $13 million.)
While some of its existing investors - Index Ventures, Skype and Google - are coming back with more cash, the word from telecom circles in Europe is that British Telecom is going to invest in the wireless router company.
FON is the latest start-up by Spanish telecom entrepreneur, Martin Varsavsky, who has made a name for being a thorn in the side of incumbents. When I visited BT last summer while reporting a story for Business 2.0, the senior management of the British incumbent carrier was pretty bullish on the whole notion of dual-mode phones and municipal wireless.
Dual-mode phones are phone that have Wi-Fi and cellular capabilities in one single handset, and in an ideal world there is a seamless handoff between the two networks once you are in range of a Wi-Fi network
While this does seem like a distant dream, eventually it will happen. Nokia, for instance, is pretty confident that most of its mobile phones in the near future will have Wi-Fi capabilities built into them. BT can offer voice (and other services) over Wi-Fi when in range of a FON node, and when out of range it can switch to the Vodafone network for cellular access.
T-Mobile USA is trying something similar up in the U.S. Northwest, though it is through a customer's own Wi-Fi network. Free.fr <http://free.fr/> of France has also been playing with a similar idea and has bundled FON-like software in its residential gateways.
--ends--
*Brian Longwe <brian@isisweb.nl>* wrote:
On Mar 7, 2007, at 4:56 PM, John Walubengo wrote:
Here is the IT angle - isn't it time their website www.kenyapolice.go.ke gave the Citizens the correct position regarding Police Procedures for Civil/Criminal offence? I mean I never knew a traffic offence could earn you 1-night accomodation with General Ali's (the Police Commissioner) guests. Further more, when are those so called Tamper-proof Driving Licences going to hit the market?
Hi John,
Thanks for sharing (in your v. pleasant style) your experience. Actually I think you are letting us off a bit easily by only suggesting procedures be on the Police website. I would go a bit further.
Every Mobile Police Unit and/or Traffic stop have a functional laptop with wireless access to various databases: - IDs / Passports/ Work Permits / Visa - Driving License - Car Registration - Criminal Records Database
That way by simply running a couple of simple queries they would immediately know whether you are worthy of being offered free accomodation.
Regards, Mblayo
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Did you know that Nairobi has the biggest WIFI deployment in Africa? Rgds Kai ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Okite To: kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 20:00 Subject: Re: [kictanet] My Evening in Jail (O.K, next to Jail) Sir, Pole sana, Shows where we are @! with telkom kenya,bringing in new products every other day,why cant they for example try out a few Wi-Fi hotspots and place the cops there to use the mentioned facilities...on another note is the KRA database available to Kenya Police? Is the Imigration Database availabe to the Police? because there would no point to visit KRA offices...spend valuable time....doing what? If mkubwa could have been there,could He(Mr. Walubengo) be released? Kind regards, On 3/7/07, Alex Gakuru <alex.gakuru@yahoo.com> wrote: Brian, Integrating below developments from news just received (courtesy of news@canarie.ca), your suggestion is not a dream but the way to go >>>> /Alex ----forward---- http://gigaom.com/2007/03/06/bt-to-invest-in-fon/ BT to Invest in FON? FON, the Spanish share-your-Wi-Fi services company, is close to announcing a new round of funding that could total to as much as 10 million Euros (shade over $13 million.) While some of its existing investors - Index Ventures, Skype and Google - are coming back with more cash, the word from telecom circles in Europe is that British Telecom is going to invest in the wireless router company. FON is the latest start-up by Spanish telecom entrepreneur, Martin Varsavsky, who has made a name for being a thorn in the side of incumbents. When I visited BT last summer while reporting a story for Business 2.0, the senior management of the British incumbent carrier was pretty bullish on the whole notion of dual-mode phones and municipal wireless. Dual-mode phones are phone that have Wi-Fi and cellular capabilities in one single handset, and in an ideal world there is a seamless handoff between the two networks once you are in range of a Wi-Fi network While this does seem like a distant dream, eventually it will happen. Nokia, for instance, is pretty confident that most of its mobile phones in the near future will have Wi-Fi capabilities built into them. BT can offer voice (and other services) over Wi-Fi when in range of a FON node, and when out of range it can switch to the Vodafone network for cellular access. T-Mobile USA is trying something similar up in the U.S. Northwest, though it is through a customer's own Wi-Fi network. Free.fr of France has also been playing with a similar idea and has bundled FON-like software in its residential gateways. --ends-- Brian Longwe <brian@isisweb.nl> wrote: On Mar 7, 2007, at 4:56 PM, John Walubengo wrote: Here is the IT angle - isn't it time their website www.kenyapolice.go.ke gave the Citizens the correct position regarding Police Procedures for Civil/Criminal offence? I mean I never knew a traffic offence could earn you 1-night accomodation with General Ali's (the Police Commissioner) guests. Further more, when are those so called Tamper-proof Driving Licences going to hit the market? Hi John, Thanks for sharing (in your v. pleasant style) your experience. Actually I think you are letting us off a bit easily by only suggesting procedures be on the Police website. I would go a bit further. Every Mobile Police Unit and/or Traffic stop have a functional laptop with wireless access to various databases: - IDs / Passports/ Work Permits / Visa - Driving License - Car Registration - Criminal Records Database That way by simply running a couple of simple queries they would immediately know whether you are worthy of being offered free accomodation. Regards, Mblayo ---------- Brian Longwe +254(0) 20 445 2327 - t Chief Executive Officer +254(0) 722 518744 - m InHand Limited +254(0) 733 518744 - m M3, Westlands Court, +254(0) 20 374 7881 - f Westlands Close, Westlands Rd. www.inhand.co.ke P.O. 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Whether an allegation or a fact, I wish to give this a reasonably just response; with the individual consumer in mind: - If so then why does South Africa have 5,100,000 internet users, Nigeria 5 million, Egypt 5 million, Morocco 4.6 million while, with all fairness to the on-going Internet Market Study, Kenya has just 1 million users says http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats1.htm . Prohibitive costs are to blame, for example, the cheapest point-to-point access (without bandwidth) is US$ 125 per month. Add bandwidth costs and affordability and cost-benefits go out the window. Surely Nairobi's local point-to-point link costs have no relation "costly satellite internet". If the minister for finance were on this list, I would have pleaded he considers allocating Internet constituency dev. funds in the next budget if not to make outsourcing "accessible" to all communities throughout in Kenya. Utilising public, license-free ISM bands 2.4 and 5.8 GHz, WiFi promises one true way for most affordable access there being no license fee to anyone who wants to share their internet link and invoices with their neighbours - a wonderful ICT policy provision that opened up a hitherto "for licensed" internet airwaves. BTW, Australian scientists demonstrated 6 Giga/per second over WiFi This should interest you Brian! <snip> * The CSIRO ICT Centre today announced that it has achieved over six gigabits per second over a point to point wireless connection with the highest efficiency (2.4bits/s/Hz) ever achieved for such a system * At the demonstration, the team will transmit 16 simultaneous streams of DVD quality video over a 250 metre link with no loss of quality or delays Dr Jay Guo, Director of the Wireless Technologies Laboratory at CSIRO said that this breakthrough is just a first stage towards direct connections of up to 12 gigabits per second. < http://www.csiro.au/csiro/content/standard/ps2kj.html > <snip>
Public Safety, Disaster Recovery and Urban Transit applications:
see Celtel Malawi is still off air 5 days later, carriers should support emerging alternative communication infrastructure considering the Nairobi little tremor that incapacitated an otherwise wonderful point-to-point based infrastructure because we need these in disaster situations. /Alex Kai Wulff <kai.wulff@kdn.co.ke> wrote: Did you know that Nairobi has the biggest WIFI deployment in Africa? Rgds Kai --------------------------------- Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends.
* On 07/03/07 20:00 +0300, Judy Okite wrote: | Sir, | | Pole sana, | | Shows where we are @! with telkom kenya,bringing in new products every other | day,why cant they for example try out a few Wi-Fi hotspots and place the | cops there to use the mentioned facilities... GPRS is better suited for such, as opposed to WiFi. So far WiFi still sux, as it were. cheers - wash +----------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ Odhiambo Washington . WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi, KE) | wash () WANANCHI ! com . 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita St., | GSM: (+254) 722 743 223 . # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI | GSM: (+254) 733 744 121 . (+254) 020 313 985 - 9 | +---------------------------------+------------------------------------------+ "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!" --from a /. post
Hi Wash, I hate to get into the technology debate of which technology is better than the other, but I can assure you Wi-Fi works. The use of Wi-Fi gadgets (cameras, phones, networking, home control etc) would not have grown as much as it has if it didn't. Regards, Vincent -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+vincent.wangombe=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+vincent.wangombe=kdn.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Odhiambo WASHINGTON Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 12:15 AM To: vincent.wangombe@kdn.co.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] My Evening in Jail (O.K, next to Jail) * On 07/03/07 20:00 +0300, Judy Okite wrote: | Sir, | | Pole sana, | | Shows where we are @! with telkom kenya,bringing in new products every other | day,why cant they for example try out a few Wi-Fi hotspots and place the | cops there to use the mentioned facilities... GPRS is better suited for such, as opposed to WiFi. So far WiFi still sux, as it were. cheers - wash +----------------------------------+---------------------------------------- -+ Odhiambo Washington . WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi, KE) | wash () WANANCHI ! com . 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita St., | GSM: (+254) 722 743 223 . # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI | GSM: (+254) 733 744 121 . (+254) 020 313 985 - 9 | +---------------------------------+----------------------------------------- -+ "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!" --from a /. post _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@kictanet.or.ke http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Please unsubscribe or change your options at http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/vincent.wangombe%40kdn.co.ke
Correct. We have (Infocom and Immigration and registration of persons) agreed to develop front-end applications within the Intergrated Population Registration System (IPRS) to eneble wananchi to only carry their fingers and eyes around for the purpose of indentification. The IPRS shall be linked to other databses to provide a more comprehensive information on any person. This means that in the case of Walubengo, the police officer would have told him exactly when the renewal of the license was done. Have a prison-free day. Regards Ndemo.
On Mar 7, 2007, at 4:56 PM, John Walubengo wrote:
Here is the IT angle - isn't it time their website www.kenyapolice.go.ke gave the Citizens the correct position regarding Police Procedures for Civil/Criminal offence? I mean I never knew a traffic offence could earn you 1-night accomodation with General Ali's (the Police Commissioner) guests. Further more, when are those so called Tamper-proof Driving Licences going to hit the market?
Hi John,
Thanks for sharing (in your v. pleasant style) your experience. Actually I think you are letting us off a bit easily by only suggesting procedures be on the Police website. I would go a bit further.
Every Mobile Police Unit and/or Traffic stop have a functional laptop with wireless access to various databases: - IDs / Passports/ Work Permits / Visa - Driving License - Car Registration - Criminal Records Database
That way by simply running a couple of simple queries they would immediately know whether you are worthy of being offered free accomodation.
Regards,
Mblayo
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* On 07/03/07 19:09 +0300, Brian Long's wrote: | | On Mar 7, 2007, at 4:56 PM, John Walubengo wrote: | > | > | >Here is the IT angle - isn't it time their website | >www.kenyapolice.go.ke gave the Citizens the correct | >position regarding Police Procedures for Civil/Criminal | >offence? I mean I never knew a traffic offence could earn | >you 1-night accomodation with General Ali's (the Police | >Commissioner) guests. Further more, when are those so | >called Tamper-proof Driving Licences going to hit the | >market? | | Hi John, | | Thanks for sharing (in your v. pleasant style) your experience. | Actually I think you are letting us off a bit easily by only | suggesting procedures be on the Police website. I would go a bit | further. | | Every Mobile Police Unit and/or Traffic stop have a functional laptop | with wireless access to various databases: | - IDs / Passports/ Work Permits / Visa | - Driving License | - Car Registration | - Criminal Records Database | | That way by simply running a couple of simple queries they would | immediately know whether you are worthy of being offered free | accomodation. Brian is talking about what happens in the US and such like;) The budget allocated to the Police can never allow them to have these "luxuries". Sorry, but I speak from experience as a former police officer. We tried to get the force in this direction but ended nowhere, except being termed radical. But yes, let's suggest these to the right ears. It's worth the time. cheers - wash +----------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ Odhiambo Washington . WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi, KE) | wash () WANANCHI ! com . 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita St., | GSM: (+254) 722 743 223 . # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI | GSM: (+254) 733 744 121 . (+254) 020 313 985 - 9 | +---------------------------------+------------------------------------------+ "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!" --from a /. post
Wash.... Hey I didn't know you were a soldier, anyway it makes sense we are far from these luxuries as you say not with the many reforms needed there. But it doesn't mean it's an elephant thing no no no it can happen if like minded people want. Thanks, -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+nicholas=tespok.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+nicholas=tespok.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Odhiambo WASHINGTON Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 12:12 AM To: Nick Subject: Re: [kictanet] My Evening in Jail (O.K, next to Jail) * On 07/03/07 19:09 +0300, Brian Long's wrote: | | On Mar 7, 2007, at 4:56 PM, John Walubengo wrote: | > | > | >Here is the IT angle - isn't it time their website | >www.kenyapolice.go.ke gave the Citizens the correct | >position regarding Police Procedures for Civil/Criminal | >offence? I mean I never knew a traffic offence could earn | >you 1-night accomodation with General Ali's (the Police | >Commissioner) guests. Further more, when are those so | >called Tamper-proof Driving Licences going to hit the | >market? | | Hi John, | | Thanks for sharing (in your v. pleasant style) your experience. | Actually I think you are letting us off a bit easily by only | suggesting procedures be on the Police website. I would go a bit | further. | | Every Mobile Police Unit and/or Traffic stop have a functional laptop | with wireless access to various databases: | - IDs / Passports/ Work Permits / Visa | - Driving License | - Car Registration | - Criminal Records Database | | That way by simply running a couple of simple queries they would | immediately know whether you are worthy of being offered free | accomodation. Brian is talking about what happens in the US and such like;) The budget allocated to the Police can never allow them to have these "luxuries". Sorry, but I speak from experience as a former police officer. We tried to get the force in this direction but ended nowhere, except being termed radical. But yes, let's suggest these to the right ears. It's worth the time. cheers - wash +----------------------------------+------------------------------------ -----+ Odhiambo Washington . WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi, KE) | wash () WANANCHI ! com . 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita St., | GSM: (+254) 722 743 223 . # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI | GSM: (+254) 733 744 121 . (+254) 020 313 985 - 9 | +---------------------------------+------------------------------------- -----+ "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!" --from a /. post
thanx all for your understanding with respect to my short lived predicament. I have come out more informed - like I need to extend my knowledge beyond ICTs (e.g by walking with the Traffic Act- which by the way I can't seem to find it Online!). Also, I never knew Nairobi was the most 'WIFI'-flooded city in Africa! Nor that WIFI, WIMAX and GSM have competing 'die-hard' supporters. And that Wash was formerly a soldier (;-)... But more seriously, it was amazing how solutions were so easily forthcoming - from the simplest (walk with Traffic Act?) to the complex (Handheld Devices by Poice with ability to connect to back-end integrated databases over Wifi or was it Wimax or GSM?). So the question is - Why can't we just do it? walu. --- Nicholas Wambugu <nicholas@tespok.co.ke> wrote:
Wash....
Hey I didn't know you were a soldier, anyway it makes sense we are far from these luxuries as you say not with the many reforms needed there. But it doesn't mean it's an elephant thing no no no it can happen if like minded people want.
Thanks,
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+nicholas=tespok.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke
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On Behalf Of Odhiambo WASHINGTON Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 12:12 AM To: Nick Subject: Re: [kictanet] My Evening in Jail (O.K, next to Jail)
* On 07/03/07 19:09 +0300, Brian Long's wrote: | | On Mar 7, 2007, at 4:56 PM, John Walubengo wrote: | > | > | >Here is the IT angle - isn't it time their website | >www.kenyapolice.go.ke gave the Citizens the correct | >position regarding Police Procedures for Civil/Criminal | >offence? I mean I never knew a traffic offence could earn | >you 1-night accomodation with General Ali's (the Police | >Commissioner) guests. Further more, when are those so | >called Tamper-proof Driving Licences going to hit the | >market? | | Hi John, | | Thanks for sharing (in your v. pleasant style) your experience. | Actually I think you are letting us off a bit easily by only | suggesting procedures be on the Police website. I would go a bit | further. | | Every Mobile Police Unit and/or Traffic stop have a functional laptop
| with wireless access to various databases: | - IDs / Passports/ Work Permits / Visa | - Driving License | - Car Registration | - Criminal Records Database | | That way by simply running a couple of simple queries they would | immediately know whether you are worthy of being offered free | accomodation.
Brian is talking about what happens in the US and such like;) The budget allocated to the Police can never allow them to have these "luxuries". Sorry, but I speak from experience as a former police officer. We tried to get the force in this direction but ended nowhere, except being termed radical. But yes, let's suggest these to the right ears. It's worth the time.
cheers - wash
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-----+ Odhiambo Washington . WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi, KE) | wash () WANANCHI ! com . 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita St., | GSM: (+254) 722 743 223 . # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI | GSM: (+254) 733 744 121 . (+254) 020 313 985 - 9 |
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* On 07/03/07 05:56 -0800, John Wilburn's wrote: | O.K, before the moderator tells me to take this | conversation off the list - I wish to promise that it will | end with an IT twist... | | Yesterday evening, I was stopped by the Traffic Police at | Madaraka Roundabout (next to Strath University). As a law | abiding citizen, I stopped and without being asked, I | opened the boot, stepped out and handed over my Driving | Licence. | | After 5minutes (eternity for me!) I realised that the young | police officer was struggling with his torch trying to | shine the lamp on my annual renewal licences. I moved | closer and he seemed happy to have discoverd and even | happier to confirm that I had FORGED it (what???). He was | alleging that it expired last year and since I was the | clever-one, i simply extended the year by overwriting the | original deadline and replacing it with next year (i.e from | 2006 to 2008 expiry date) | | I tried to say indeed the overwriting was truly there, but | it must have been done by the KRA (Kenya Revenue Officials, | they are human and can make mistakes) but he was adamant | that I must visit their Police station and be checked in. I | tried to say that if I had committed a traffic offence , I | would have expected that he would write me a | ticket/summons? to appear in court sometime later in the | week and stand accused awaiting | defence/judgement/penalty..(lawyers could correct me on | that). | | Later on he agreed that he will write the Summons from the | Poice Station and so we drove to the nearest police station | for this summons to be written. We reached there (Nyayo | Stadium Police Station) and he asked me to sit right next | to the Cells (which were full of some very mean looking | 'Matheri' type of characters). | | After 5min, he came back to say that his Boss, the Officer | in Charge of the Station is not in and so I have to be | locked in until tomorrow morning, when he will come and | write me the summons (hallooo??- next to THOSE guys?). | | To cut down the story, my wife new someone, who knew some | Senior cop, whom she called and he eventually gave | instructions to have me released - on Condition that I | apologise for the offense (O.K. now what had I done | again?). | | Here is the IT angle - isn't it time their website | www.kenyapolice.go.ke gave the Citizens the correct | position regarding Police Procedures for Civil/Criminal | offence? I mean I never knew a traffic offence could earn | you 1-night accomodation with General Ali's (the Police | Commissioner) guests. Further more, when are those so | called Tamper-proof Driving Licences going to hit the | market? Waly, You also need to spare some time to read and familiarise yourself with the laws of Kenya, not only IT stuff ;) Cap 403 Laws of Kenya, which is the Traffic Act, entitles you to be issued with a ticket, also known as NT AC (Notice To Attend Court), for the traffic offence revealed. If a Police officer is adamant about giving this (they should always have a the book on the road) then simply tell him/her to go to hell (if you have the courage) and drive away. Well, grab the copy of this law and read it for more knowledge. If you know the law, you'll be knowing your rights, and will not be easily harassed, as was done for you. cheers - wash +----------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ Odhiambo Washington . WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi, KE) | wash () WANANCHI ! com . 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita St., | GSM: (+254) 722 743 223 . # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI | GSM: (+254) 733 744 121 . (+254) 020 313 985 - 9 | +---------------------------------+------------------------------------------+ "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!" --from a /. post
Wash.. True true traffic laws aren't like criminal ones, The police should always have that booklet with them and if any rule is broken you get a sheet as a booking to appear before a judge. If you are brave enough as Wash says just disappear and wait for a warrant of arrest...... else more wiser get the booking paper and find your own ways to cancel it before the judgment day Thanks, -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+nicholas=tespok.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+nicholas=tespok.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Odhiambo WASHINGTON Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 12:08 AM To: Nick Subject: Re: [kictanet] My Evening in Jail (O.K, next to Jail) * On 07/03/07 05:56 -0800, John Wilburn's wrote: | O.K, before the moderator tells me to take this | conversation off the list - I wish to promise that it will | end with an IT twist... | | Yesterday evening, I was stopped by the Traffic Police at | Madaraka Roundabout (next to Strath University). As a law | abiding citizen, I stopped and without being asked, I | opened the boot, stepped out and handed over my Driving | Licence. | | After 5minutes (eternity for me!) I realised that the young | police officer was struggling with his torch trying to | shine the lamp on my annual renewal licences. I moved | closer and he seemed happy to have discoverd and even | happier to confirm that I had FORGED it (what???). He was | alleging that it expired last year and since I was the | clever-one, i simply extended the year by overwriting the | original deadline and replacing it with next year (i.e from | 2006 to 2008 expiry date) | | I tried to say indeed the overwriting was truly there, but | it must have been done by the KRA (Kenya Revenue Officials, | they are human and can make mistakes) but he was adamant | that I must visit their Police station and be checked in. I | tried to say that if I had committed a traffic offence , I | would have expected that he would write me a | ticket/summons? to appear in court sometime later in the | week and stand accused awaiting | defence/judgement/penalty..(lawyers could correct me on | that). | | Later on he agreed that he will write the Summons from the | Poice Station and so we drove to the nearest police station | for this summons to be written. We reached there (Nyayo | Stadium Police Station) and he asked me to sit right next | to the Cells (which were full of some very mean looking | 'Matheri' type of characters). | | After 5min, he came back to say that his Boss, the Officer | in Charge of the Station is not in and so I have to be | locked in until tomorrow morning, when he will come and | write me the summons (hallooo??- next to THOSE guys?). | | To cut down the story, my wife new someone, who knew some | Senior cop, whom she called and he eventually gave | instructions to have me released - on Condition that I | apologise for the offense (O.K. now what had I done | again?). | | Here is the IT angle - isn't it time their website | www.kenyapolice.go.ke gave the Citizens the correct | position regarding Police Procedures for Civil/Criminal | offence? I mean I never knew a traffic offence could earn | you 1-night accomodation with General Ali's (the Police | Commissioner) guests. Further more, when are those so | called Tamper-proof Driving Licences going to hit the | market? Waly, You also need to spare some time to read and familiarise yourself with the laws of Kenya, not only IT stuff ;) Cap 403 Laws of Kenya, which is the Traffic Act, entitles you to be issued with a ticket, also known as NT AC (Notice To Attend Court), for the traffic offence revealed. If a Police officer is adamant about giving this (they should always have a the book on the road) then simply tell him/her to go to hell (if you have the courage) and drive away. Well, grab the copy of this law and read it for more knowledge. If you know the law, you'll be knowing your rights, and will not be easily harassed, as was done for you. cheers - wash +----------------------------------+------------------------------------ -----+ Odhiambo Washington . WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi, KE) | wash () WANANCHI ! com . 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita St., | GSM: (+254) 722 743 223 . # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI | GSM: (+254) 733 744 121 . (+254) 020 313 985 - 9 | +---------------------------------+------------------------------------- -----+ "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!" --from a /. post
Kenyan Citizens shall be saved from the claws of Police the day computers connected to police, law offices' and Dr. Juma Okech's e-government websites server installed at Police Stations. Is it not time we started thinking about having Kenya's intranet for quick access, now that we have our own f-root server? On 3/8/07 12:08 AM, "Odhiambo WASHINGTON" <wash@wananchi.com> wrote:
* On 07/03/07 05:56 -0800, John Wilburn's wrote: | O.K, before the moderator tells me to take this | conversation off the list - I wish to promise that it will | end with an IT twist... | | Yesterday evening, I was stopped by the Traffic Police at | Madaraka Roundabout (next to Strath University). As a law | abiding citizen, I stopped and without being asked, I | opened the boot, stepped out and handed over my Driving | Licence. | | After 5minutes (eternity for me!) I realised that the young | police officer was struggling with his torch trying to | shine the lamp on my annual renewal licences. I moved | closer and he seemed happy to have discoverd and even | happier to confirm that I had FORGED it (what???). He was | alleging that it expired last year and since I was the | clever-one, i simply extended the year by overwriting the | original deadline and replacing it with next year (i.e from | 2006 to 2008 expiry date) | | I tried to say indeed the overwriting was truly there, but | it must have been done by the KRA (Kenya Revenue Officials, | they are human and can make mistakes) but he was adamant | that I must visit their Police station and be checked in. I | tried to say that if I had committed a traffic offence , I | would have expected that he would write me a | ticket/summons? to appear in court sometime later in the | week and stand accused awaiting | defence/judgement/penalty..(lawyers could correct me on | that). | | Later on he agreed that he will write the Summons from the | Poice Station and so we drove to the nearest police station | for this summons to be written. We reached there (Nyayo | Stadium Police Station) and he asked me to sit right next | to the Cells (which were full of some very mean looking | 'Matheri' type of characters). | | After 5min, he came back to say that his Boss, the Officer | in Charge of the Station is not in and so I have to be | locked in until tomorrow morning, when he will come and | write me the summons (hallooo??- next to THOSE guys?). | | To cut down the story, my wife new someone, who knew some | Senior cop, whom she called and he eventually gave | instructions to have me released - on Condition that I | apologise for the offense (O.K. now what had I done | again?). | | Here is the IT angle - isn't it time their website | www.kenyapolice.go.ke gave the Citizens the correct | position regarding Police Procedures for Civil/Criminal | offence? I mean I never knew a traffic offence could earn | you 1-night accomodation with General Ali's (the Police | Commissioner) guests. Further more, when are those so | called Tamper-proof Driving Licences going to hit the | market?
Waly,
You also need to spare some time to read and familiarise yourself with the laws of Kenya, not only IT stuff ;) Cap 403 Laws of Kenya, which is the Traffic Act, entitles you to be issued with a ticket, also known as NT AC (Notice To Attend Court), for the traffic offence revealed. If a Police officer is adamant about giving this (they should always have a the book on the road) then simply tell him/her to go to hell (if you have the courage) and drive away. Well, grab the copy of this law and read it for more knowledge. If you know the law, you'll be knowing your rights, and will not be easily harassed, as was done for you.
cheers - wash +----------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ Odhiambo Washington . WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi, KE) | wash () WANANCHI ! com . 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita St., | GSM: (+254) 722 743 223 . # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI | GSM: (+254) 733 744 121 . (+254) 020 313 985 - 9 | +---------------------------------+------------------------------------------+ "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!" --from a /. post _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@kictanet.or.ke http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
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Wash,
Cap 403 Laws of Kenya, which is the Traffic Act, entitles you to be issued with a ticket, also known as NT AC (Notice To Attend Court), for the traffic offence revealed.
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Catherine Murai -
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James Rege -
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Judy Okite -
Kai Wulff -
Nicholas Wambugu -
Odhiambo WASHINGTON -
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