University of Nairobi Set Top Boxes
At the launch of the National ICT Masterplan 2017, Dr. Ndemo mentioned that UoN had come up with a prototype Set Top Box, but had lacked investors to mass manufacture the same. Wouldn't have funds such as the Tandaa Grants and other funds the ICT Board is using to fund developers have come in handy here? Since most of the funds go to software applications, would have been good to fund this project, even if funding would mean that government maintained equity in the venture? -- with Regards: blog.denniskioko.com <http://www.denniskioko.com/>
@Dennis, Give me a break. How many "made in Kenya" electronics do you see on the streets/shops? What is so difficult to produce between a motorcycle and an STB? Do you produce motorcycles in KE? Or just bicycles? We import all that. Now you are telling me we can produce electronics in KE? Far from it. I think those investors could first put their money on producing bikes, then think electronics after 2030. On 14 February 2013 15:54, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
At the launch of the National ICT Masterplan 2017, Dr. Ndemo mentioned that UoN had come up with a prototype Set Top Box, but had lacked investors to mass manufacture the same.
Wouldn't have funds such as the Tandaa Grants and other funds the ICT Board is using to fund developers have come in handy here? Since most of the funds go to software applications, would have been good to fund this project, even if funding would mean that government maintained equity in the venture?
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Granted we need to up our manufacturing sector but i do think starting with assembly would not be that bad of an idea plus some parts could be made in KE like the casing etc. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
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Give me a break. How many "made in Kenya" electronics do you see on the streets/shops? What is so difficult to produce between a motorcycle and an STB? Do you produce motorcycles in KE? Or just bicycles? We import all that. Now you are telling me we can produce electronics in KE? Far from it.
I think those investors could first put their money on producing bikes, then think electronics after 2030.
On 14 February 2013 15:54, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
At the launch of the National ICT Masterplan 2017, Dr. Ndemo mentioned that UoN had come up with a prototype Set Top Box, but had lacked investors to mass manufacture the same.
Wouldn't have funds such as the Tandaa Grants and other funds the ICT Board is using to fund developers have come in handy here? Since most of the funds go to software applications, would have been good to fund this project, even if funding would mean that government maintained equity in the venture?
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I agree with you Dennis. Most of the ICT innovation and job creation is pegged on Software development and BPO's. I believe there are many other avenues ICT can create jobs which should as well get attention and funding. Including; Manufacturing, Assembly, System integration (one of the high end ICT job creator today), R&D... etc We should support our universities and make their research projects commercially viable like the one below. Regards Eunice Thirikwa www.talinda.co.ke On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
At the launch of the National ICT Masterplan 2017, Dr. Ndemo mentioned that UoN had come up with a prototype Set Top Box, but had lacked investors to mass manufacture the same.
Wouldn't have funds such as the Tandaa Grants and other funds the ICT Board is using to fund developers have come in handy here? Since most of the funds go to software applications, would have been good to fund this project, even if funding would mean that government maintained equity in the venture?
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When the Digital boxes are designed in Kenyan universities, and manufactured in China, that is good enough. We don't need to setup a huge factory if we don't have the means. At least, that will be a starting point. Many USA and European companies have their manufacturing in China, including Apple, HP, DELL e.t.c. Don't forget the golden rule of innovation "Imitate then innovate". Tata and Huawei, and ZTE perfected the art, and now they are bigger than the economy of most African countries combines. Regards -- ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva For Business Development Transworld Computer Channels Cel: 0722402248 twitter.com/lordmwesh www.transworldAfrica.com | Fluent in computing kenya.or.ke | The Kenya we know
Kivuva Good point you make there. The flip side though is that most American companies are realizing that outsourcing manufacturing totally to Asia was a mistake from an innovation perspective. They have lost out on one of the key components of innovation - Process Innovation. Of course from our perspective we don't even have that capacity to outsource yet so maybe a great opportunity to start without any legacy systems and thoughts...ala Mpesa. Regards Ali Hussein CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd +254 773/713 601113 "The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb Sent from my iPad On Feb 15, 2013, at 1:04 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
When the Digital boxes are designed in Kenyan universities, and manufactured in China, that is good enough. We don't need to setup a huge factory if we don't have the means. At least, that will be a starting point. Many USA and European companies have their manufacturing in China, including Apple, HP, DELL e.t.c.
Don't forget the golden rule of innovation "Imitate then innovate". Tata and Huawei, and ZTE perfected the art, and now they are bigger than the economy of most African countries combines.
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+1 Ali. I noted in Obama's State of the Union Address a new initiative the US govt is setting up called "Manufacturing Innovation Hubs" aimed at spurring innovation in Manufacturing. In addition, a number of US companies such as Apple and Ford are bringing back manufacturing to the USA. Peres Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+peres_were=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 15:23:46 To: Peres Were<peres_were@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] University of Nairobi Set Top Boxes _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/peres_were%40yahoo.co.... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
I dream when we will have outsourced manufacturing jobs overseas, and have big companies like Apple, HP, here in Kenya, then earn foreign exchange on the distribution and sells all over the world. But it sounds like a pipe dream. US is not suffering from outsourcing since the companies earn abnormal profits from that. Only the poor jobless hands-man is the one who suffers. But here in Kenya, we have non. No manufacturing companies outsourcing to Asia, and no outsourced jobs coming back home. Regards On 15 February 2013 15:38, <peres_were@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
+1 Ali. I noted in Obama's State of the Union Address a new initiative the US govt is setting up called "Manufacturing Innovation Hubs" aimed at spurring innovation in Manufacturing.
In addition, a number of US companies such as Apple and Ford are bringing back manufacturing to the USA.
Peres Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Manufacturing locally would absorb quite a number of semi skilled individuals into the workforce. Always a good thing. Outsourcing is not always a good idea. Check what happened to Dell & ASUS. Even the all mighty Apple Inc & Samsung. Let's make them. Lets sell them. Lets figure out supply chain for the greater East African region. Then we can tinker with other electronics. We have the capacity. Why not do it? Sent from my iPhone On 15 Feb 2013, at 17:30, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote: I dream when we will have outsourced manufacturing jobs overseas, and have big companies like Apple, HP, here in Kenya, then earn foreign exchange on the distribution and sells all over the world. But it sounds like a pipe dream. US is not suffering from outsourcing since the companies earn abnormal profits from that. Only the poor jobless hands-man is the one who suffers. But here in Kenya, we have non. No manufacturing companies outsourcing to Asia, and no outsourced jobs coming back home. Regards On 15 February 2013 15:38, <peres_were@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
+1 Ali. I noted in Obama's State of the Union Address a new initiative the US govt is setting up called "Manufacturing Innovation Hubs" aimed at spurring innovation in Manufacturing.
In addition, a number of US companies such as Apple and Ford are bringing back manufacturing to the USA.
Peres Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Phares, I'm a great proponent of local industrialization. It does a lot of good to a countries economy, number one being reducing capital flight. But the scenario is this, UoN have said they have prototypes that are viable, but they don't have any means to produce them. Now, if we can crack it and do it locally, that's the best move. But suppose those strategic investors don't show up? Should the idea just die out and we remain mass consumers, or should we outsource manufacturing/licence the prototype to Asian and have a piece of the cake? On 15/02/2013, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Manufacturing locally would absorb quite a number of semi skilled individuals into the workforce. Always a good thing.
Outsourcing is not always a good idea. Check what happened to Dell & ASUS. Even the all mighty Apple Inc & Samsung.
Let's make them. Lets sell them. Lets figure out supply chain for the greater East African region. Then we can tinker with other electronics.
We have the capacity. Why not do it?
Sent from my iPhone
On 15 Feb 2013, at 17:30, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
I dream when we will have outsourced manufacturing jobs overseas, and have big companies like Apple, HP, here in Kenya, then earn foreign exchange on the distribution and sells all over the world. But it sounds like a pipe dream.
US is not suffering from outsourcing since the companies earn abnormal profits from that. Only the poor jobless hands-man is the one who suffers.
But here in Kenya, we have non. No manufacturing companies outsourcing to Asia, and no outsourced jobs coming back home.
Regards
On 15 February 2013 15:38, <peres_were@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
+1 Ali. I noted in Obama's State of the Union Address a new initiative the US govt is setting up called "Manufacturing Innovation Hubs" aimed at spurring innovation in Manufacturing.
In addition, a number of US companies such as Apple and Ford are bringing back manufacturing to the USA.
Peres Sent from my BlackBerry®
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But how much do you really need to assemble set top boxes? Is this that complex an operation? Start with a thousand units, scale with increased demand. Is this rocket science? The university or the lecturers involved (who mostly run private firms) couldnt raise seed money? We have a problem with wanting to start with a bang. No culture of starting small and growing. On Friday, 15 February 2013, Kivuva wrote:
Phares, I'm a great proponent of local industrialization. It does a lot of good to a countries economy, number one being reducing capital flight.
But the scenario is this, UoN have said they have prototypes that are viable, but they don't have any means to produce them. Now, if we can crack it and do it locally, that's the best move. But suppose those strategic investors don't show up? Should the idea just die out and we remain mass consumers, or should we outsource manufacturing/licence the prototype to Asian and have a piece of the cake?
On 15/02/2013, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Manufacturing locally would absorb quite a number of semi skilled individuals into the workforce. Always a good thing.
Outsourcing is not always a good idea. Check what happened to Dell & ASUS. Even the all mighty Apple Inc & Samsung.
Let's make them. Lets sell them. Lets figure out supply chain for the greater East African region. Then we can tinker with other electronics.
We have the capacity. Why not do it?
Sent from my iPhone
On 15 Feb 2013, at 17:30, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
I dream when we will have outsourced manufacturing jobs overseas, and have big companies like Apple, HP, here in Kenya, then earn foreign exchange on the distribution and sells all over the world. But it sounds like a pipe dream.
US is not suffering from outsourcing since the companies earn abnormal profits from that. Only the poor jobless hands-man is the one who suffers.
But here in Kenya, we have non. No manufacturing companies outsourcing to Asia, and no outsourced jobs coming back home.
Regards
On 15 February 2013 15:38, <peres_were@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
+1 Ali. I noted in Obama's State of the Union Address a new initiative the US govt is setting up called "Manufacturing Innovation Hubs" aimed at spurring innovation in Manufacturing.
In addition, a number of US companies such as Apple and Ford are bringing back manufacturing to the USA.
Peres Sent from my BlackBerry®
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But how much do you really need to assemble set top boxes? Is this that complex an operation? Start with a thousand units, scale with increased demand. Is this rocket science? The university or the lecturers involved (who mostly run private firms) couldnt raise seed money? We have a problem with wanting to start with a bang. No culture of starting small and growing.
On Friday, 15 February 2013, Kivuva wrote:
Phares, I'm a great proponent of local industrialization. It does a lot of good to a countries economy, number one being reducing capital flight.
But the scenario is this, UoN have said they have prototypes that are viable, but they don't have any means to produce them. Now, if we can crack it and do it locally, that's the best move. But suppose those strategic investors don't show up? Should the idea just die out and we remain mass consumers, or should we outsource manufacturing/licence the prototype to Asian and have a piece of the cake?
On 15/02/2013, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Manufacturing locally would absorb quite a number of semi skilled individuals into the workforce. Always a good thing.
Outsourcing is not always a good idea. Check what happened to Dell &
ASUS.
Even the all mighty Apple Inc & Samsung.
Let's make them. Lets sell them. Lets figure out supply chain for the greater East African region. Then we can tinker with other electronics.
We have the capacity. Why not do it?
Sent from my iPhone
On 15 Feb 2013, at 17:30, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
I dream when we will have outsourced manufacturing jobs overseas, and have big companies like Apple, HP, here in Kenya, then earn foreign exchange on the distribution and sells all over the world. But it sounds like a
dream.
US is not suffering from outsourcing since the companies earn abnormal profits from that. Only the poor jobless hands-man is the one who suffers.
But here in Kenya, we have non. No manufacturing companies outsourcing to Asia, and no outsourced jobs coming back home.
Regards
On 15 February 2013 15:38, <peres_were@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
+1 Ali. I noted in Obama's State of the Union Address a new initiative the US govt is setting up called "Manufacturing Innovation Hubs" aimed at spurring innovation in Manufacturing.
In addition, a number of US companies such as Apple and Ford are bringing back manufacturing to the USA.
Peres Sent from my BlackBerry®
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This idea has plausibility and because it employs both hardware and software, it fulfills the Tandaa funding requirment. My suggestion, someone puts the teams together, designer, software and hardware engineers, project teams etc and prepares the implementation plan. This someone is called entrepreuner. I even go further to venture that the money might be available from multiple sources. Additive manufacturing (digital printing) makes the project very plausible as one of you has noted in this thread. On another note, is we spread this debate wider tbrough a public blog we create knowledge. The connected kenya2017 ICT Masterplan states that "Kenya will be Africa's most globally respected Knowledge by 2017". Asante Paul Kukubo CEO Kenya ICT Board On Friday, February 15, 2013, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote: pipe platform privacy, do
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Great Discussion; Unless UoN is prepared to run some lean entreprise around this, loans or investor money should not be sought by the institution. Yes, as Paul affirms, the challenge of local manufacturing is one of local entrepreneurs / industrialists stepping up. And despite there being some initial policy driven demand avalanche, sizing the market is key. As many african countries make the switch, the markets may be there but the big question would be; Will the local manufacturer compete favorably with the Asian manufacturers on price and quality? I believe the answer to this question will be positive if the local manufacturer runs a lean operation focused on differentiated value - and thats where the jobs will be created. Best regards On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Paul Kukubo <pkukubo@ict.go.ke> wrote:
This idea has plausibility and because it employs both hardware and software, it fulfills the Tandaa funding requirment.
My suggestion, someone puts the teams together, designer, software and hardware engineers, project teams etc and prepares the implementation plan. This someone is called entrepreuner. I even go further to venture that the money might be available from multiple sources. Additive manufacturing (digital printing) makes the project very plausible as one of you has noted in this thread.
On another note, is we spread this debate wider tbrough a public blog we create knowledge.
The connected kenya2017 ICT Masterplan states that "Kenya will be Africa's most globally respected Knowledge by 2017".
Asante Paul Kukubo CEO Kenya ICT Board
But how much do you really need to assemble set top boxes? Is this that complex an operation? Start with a thousand units, scale with increased demand. Is this rocket science? The university or the lecturers involved (who mostly run private firms) couldnt raise seed money? We have a problem with wanting to start with a bang. No culture of starting small and growing.
On Friday, 15 February 2013, Kivuva wrote:
Phares, I'm a great proponent of local industrialization. It does a lot of good to a countries economy, number one being reducing capital flight.
But the scenario is this, UoN have said they have prototypes that are viable, but they don't have any means to produce them. Now, if we can crack it and do it locally, that's the best move. But suppose those strategic investors don't show up? Should the idea just die out and we remain mass consumers, or should we outsource manufacturing/licence the prototype to Asian and have a piece of the cake?
On 15/02/2013, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Manufacturing locally would absorb quite a number of semi skilled individuals into the workforce. Always a good thing.
Outsourcing is not always a good idea. Check what happened to Dell &
ASUS.
Even the all mighty Apple Inc & Samsung.
Let's make them. Lets sell them. Lets figure out supply chain for the greater East African region. Then we can tinker with other electronics.
We have the capacity. Why not do it?
Sent from my iPhone
On 15 Feb 2013, at 17:30, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
I dream when we will have outsourced manufacturing jobs overseas, and have big companies like Apple, HP, here in Kenya, then earn foreign exchange on the distribution and sells all over the world. But it sounds like a
dream.
US is not suffering from outsourcing since the companies earn abnormal profits from that. Only the poor jobless hands-man is the one who suffers.
But here in Kenya, we have non. No manufacturing companies outsourcing to Asia, and no outsourced jobs coming back home.
Regards
On 15 February 2013 15:38, <peres_were@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
+1 Ali. I noted in Obama's State of the Union Address a new initiative the US govt is setting up called "Manufacturing Innovation Hubs" aimed at spurring innovation in Manufacturing.
In addition, a number of US companies such as Apple and Ford are bringing back manufacturing to the USA.
Peres Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Now we are talking....Would love to see this actualised. It can be done. Regards, Gilda Odera On Feb 16, 2013, at 9:28 AM, Paul Kukubo <pkukubo@ict.go.ke> wrote:
This idea has plausibility and because it employs both hardware and software, it fulfills the Tandaa funding requirment.
My suggestion, someone puts the teams together, designer, software and hardware engineers, project teams etc and prepares the implementation plan. This someone is called entrepreuner. I even go further to venture that the money might be available from multiple sources. Additive manufacturing (digital printing) makes the project very plausible as one of you has noted in this thread.
On another note, is we spread this debate wider tbrough a public blog we create knowledge.
The connected kenya2017 ICT Masterplan states that "Kenya will be Africa's most globally respected Knowledge by 2017".
Asante Paul Kukubo CEO Kenya ICT Board
On Friday, February 15, 2013, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
But how much do you really need to assemble set top boxes? Is this that complex an operation? Start with a thousand units, scale with increased demand. Is this rocket science? The university or the lecturers involved (who mostly run private firms) couldnt raise seed money? We have a problem with wanting to start with a bang. No culture of starting small and growing.
On Friday, 15 February 2013, Kivuva wrote:
Phares, I'm a great proponent of local industrialization. It does a lot of good to a countries economy, number one being reducing capital flight.
But the scenario is this, UoN have said they have prototypes that are viable, but they don't have any means to produce them. Now, if we can crack it and do it locally, that's the best move. But suppose those strategic investors don't show up? Should the idea just die out and we remain mass consumers, or should we outsource manufacturing/licence the prototype to Asian and have a piece of the cake?
On 15/02/2013, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Manufacturing locally would absorb quite a number of semi skilled individuals into the workforce. Always a good thing.
Outsourcing is not always a good idea. Check what happened to Dell & ASUS. Even the all mighty Apple Inc & Samsung.
Let's make them. Lets sell them. Lets figure out supply chain for the greater East African region. Then we can tinker with other electronics.
We have the capacity. Why not do it?
Sent from my iPhone
On 15 Feb 2013, at 17:30, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
I dream when we will have outsourced manufacturing jobs overseas, and have big companies like Apple, HP, here in Kenya, then earn foreign exchange on the distribution and sells all over the world. But it sounds like a pipe dream.
US is not suffering from outsourcing since the companies earn abnormal profits from that. Only the poor jobless hands-man is the one who suffers.
But here in Kenya, we have non. No manufacturing companies outsourcing to Asia, and no outsourced jobs coming back home.
Regards
On 15 February 2013 15:38, <peres_were@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
+1 Ali. I noted in Obama's State of the Union Address a new initiative the US govt is setting up called "Manufacturing Innovation Hubs" aimed at spurring innovation in Manufacturing.
In addition, a number of US companies such as Apple and Ford are bringing back manufacturing to the USA.
Peres Sent from my BlackBerry®
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When you have too many engineers and too few technicians then you end up where we are with too much theory. This situation is about to get worse as Canada has started a program to pick 1 million artisans from Kenya to go and settle in Canada, so those of you who still cannot change a light bulb it is time to learn as your friendly neighborhood electrician will soon be relocating to Canada. It is clear now why Obama is fighting to give the undocumented Kenyans in the USA automatic citizenship as they are about to move to Canada which will force USA citizens to learn how to change light bulbs. It was very hilarious to read a story in the same newspaper that carried the story of the Canadians about Housing Finance launching an initiative to train 1,000,0000 (1 million) artisans, where exactly will this training take place when we have upgraded all the National Polytechnics to universities and village polytechnics to their constituent colleges? The STB fiasco should be an eye opener, there is no way we shall become an industrialized nation by 2050 without technical personnel, someone has lied to us that to become an knowledge based economy everyone must be graduate. In closing, please note that UON has done what is expected of them the design of the STB which should have been emailed to a polytechnic where a prototype would have been produced and also a manufacturing process which would then have been presented at "the next big thing" breakfast where Kenya's great industrialists and Dr. Mwangi would pour billions to setup a local manufacturing plant, they would then cash out by floating the company on the GEMS with Eng. Mugo Kibati (MIT alumni) ringing the bell at the demutualised Nairobi Securities Exchange (NSE) formerly the Nairobi Stock Exchange (NSE) marking our takeoff towards realizing one of the pillars of Vision 2030. This will not happen because we have killed the polytechnic leaving an insurmountable gap between design and product. Regards PS. I love my mental brilliance on a Monday morning after a most restful weekend, now where can I get a cheap ticket to China? Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 21:23 Subject: Re: [kictanet] University of Nairobi Set Top Boxes But how much do you really need to assemble set top boxes? Is this that complex an operation? Start with a thousand units, scale with increased demand. Is this rocket science? The university or the lecturers involved (who mostly run private firms) couldnt raise seed money? We have a problem with wanting to start with a bang. No culture of starting small and growing. On Friday, 15 February 2013, Kivuva wrote: Phares, I'm a great proponent of local industrialization. It does a
lot of good to a countries economy, number one being reducing capital flight.
But the scenario is this, UoN have said they have prototypes that are viable, but they don't have any means to produce them. Now, if we can crack it and do it locally, that's the best move. But suppose those strategic investors don't show up? Should the idea just die out and we remain mass consumers, or should we outsource manufacturing/licence the prototype to Asian and have a piece of the cake?
On 15/02/2013, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Manufacturing locally would absorb quite a number of semi skilled individuals into the workforce. Always a good thing.
Outsourcing is not always a good idea. Check what happened to Dell & ASUS. Even the all mighty Apple Inc & Samsung.
Let's make them. Lets sell them. Lets figure out supply chain for the greater East African region. Then we can tinker with other electronics.
We have the capacity. Why not do it?
Sent from my iPhone
On 15 Feb 2013, at 17:30, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
I dream when we will have outsourced manufacturing jobs overseas, and have big companies like Apple, HP, here in Kenya, then earn foreign exchange on the distribution and sells all over the world. But it sounds like a pipe dream.
US is not suffering from outsourcing since the companies earn abnormal profits from that. Only the poor jobless hands-man is the one who suffers.
But here in Kenya, we have non. No manufacturing companies outsourcing to Asia, and no outsourced jobs coming back home.
Regards
On 15 February 2013 15:38, <peres_were@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
+1 Ali. I noted in Obama's State of the Union Address a new initiative the US govt is setting up called "Manufacturing Innovation Hubs" aimed at spurring innovation in Manufacturing.
In addition, a number of US companies such as Apple and Ford are bringing back manufacturing to the USA.
Peres Sent from my BlackBerry®
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I think solving and funding something like this would solve so many problems. It's not that there are no investors, just that they don't invest in such enterprises. We have folks like ICDC, Centum etc who can invest in such projects, but everyone at the moment is pumping money into real estate. Why was Java bought by ECP and not Centum etc? It's not that there's not capital in Kenya, it's that most of it is oriented at real estate (btw, just so that I'm clear, I think foreign capital is great, I just think we need to at least try and come up with our own funds locally, eat our own dog food). Additionally, the Universities themselves should have all the skillets (mechanical engineers, marketing folks, manufacturing etc, they are all trained within the university) required to launch such a business and might need a slight leap of faith from the government and investors. I'm a firm believer in solving the root cause of problems - if the problem is capital - why don't we have capital. If the problem is education, what's wrong with the system. That way, the learnings can be passed to other industries. Given that we would probably be importing the circuit boards and individual components, all we need to do is figure out assembly, packaging and supply. I think… On Friday, February 15, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Kivuva wrote:
Phares, I'm a great proponent of local industrialization. It does a lot of good to a countries economy, number one being reducing capital flight.
But the scenario is this, UoN have said they have prototypes that are viable, but they don't have any means to produce them. Now, if we can crack it and do it locally, that's the best move. But suppose those strategic investors don't show up? Should the idea just die out and we remain mass consumers, or should we outsource manufacturing/licence the prototype to Asian and have a piece of the cake?
On 15/02/2013, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com (mailto:pkariuki@gmail.com)> wrote:
Manufacturing locally would absorb quite a number of semi skilled individuals into the workforce. Always a good thing.
Outsourcing is not always a good idea. Check what happened to Dell & ASUS. Even the all mighty Apple Inc & Samsung.
Let's make them. Lets sell them. Lets figure out supply chain for the greater East African region. Then we can tinker with other electronics.
We have the capacity. Why not do it?
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On 15 Feb 2013, at 17:30, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com (mailto:Kivuva@transworldafrica.com)> wrote:
I dream when we will have outsourced manufacturing jobs overseas, and have big companies like Apple, HP, here in Kenya, then earn foreign exchange on the distribution and sells all over the world. But it sounds like a pipe dream.
US is not suffering from outsourcing since the companies earn abnormal profits from that. Only the poor jobless hands-man is the one who suffers.
But here in Kenya, we have non. No manufacturing companies outsourcing to Asia, and no outsourced jobs coming back home.
Regards
On 15 February 2013 15:38, <peres_were@yahoo.co.uk (mailto:peres_were@yahoo.co.uk)> wrote:
+1 Ali. I noted in Obama's State of the Union Address a new initiative the US govt is setting up called "Manufacturing Innovation Hubs" aimed at spurring innovation in Manufacturing.
In addition, a number of US companies such as Apple and Ford are bringing back manufacturing to the USA.
Peres Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Listers, A total of 81 million manufacturing jobs are to move out of China in the next few years. Some jobs are moving back to the US and some are finding their way into emerging economies. In the past few weeks since the ground breaking ceremony at Konza, I have met with six manufacturing outfits that are considering Africa as their new manufacturing destination. Two are well known chipset manufacturers. They not only want to manufacture their chipsets here but would want to build a supply chain by partnering with locals to manufacture hand-sets using their platform. The four other visitors are emerging American and European companies that want to leverage on new opportunities arising in Africas burgeoning mobile market. Some of the questions they ask include whether we are doing any light electronic assembly work. Of course the answer is no but I try to say good things about Dr. Gachigis work at the University of Nairobi Fab Lab. In my view we have collectively failed. We cannot get a donation from the MIT and seek for someone to take the risk by giving further aid. We cannot develop if we cannot take the risk ourselves. The KictaNet platform has been great and we say good things yet in three days we forget about them. At times we revive the issues but we never do anything that our children and grand children will remember us about. The forum we have is great. We need to use it much more by for example mobilizing resources to seize these emerging opportunities. Our risk is minimized if for example 1,000 people give 100,000 for production of locally manufactured set top boxes or mobile handsets. We shall never get to do this unless we consider the opportunities our collective responsibility to exploit them. If you watched Johannes, the World Bank Country heads press conference on Friday, you should be worried. The Bank is worried that the declining food productivity especially maize will lead to severe food insecurity in the country. There are signs that we may not get sufficient rainfalls next year. This is no longer a surprise since the drought cycle in Kenya is four years. Subsistence farming is the cause of all our problems. The solution is that we must reduce those we call farmers from 80% to less than 5% and increase manufacturing from its current contribution to GDP of 11% to more than 40%. We must move to large scale and mechanized farming in order to significantly improve on our productivity. To achieve this, we must address land use in this country but we have decided to burry our heads in the sand on the issue of land. The problem is not in the distribution of it or the size one owns but in land use. It is far much easier to tax the Delameres for not utilizing the land than resettling 10,000 people on the land on the basis of ensuring equitable distribution of land. There is no country that has developed with majority of its people spread throughout the country in what they call Home Square. There are more than 70 million people living in England which is the size of Nyanza. In Kenya, 20% of land is arable and can be used without reliance on irrigation. This is far bigger space than England but due to our primitive sub-division of the land, we are not able to use the land productively. In Kisii which is the most fertile land in Kenya, average land size has dropped to less than two acres. Some farmers grow less than 100 stalks of maize. Clearly we are creating problems as we see crime soaring. As Johannes concluded, we must scale up our manufacturing. This will enable us to rapidly urbanize and hopefully leave land for farming. Manufacturing opportunities in Kenya are enormous with insatiable market around us. Can we for once wake up and try exploiting these opportunities? I shall be the first one to contribute Ksh. 100,000 as capital for those willing to mobilize resources and take the risk of venturing into manufacturing either in light electronics or in value added services to our agricultural products. There is a body of knowledge that will help us minimize the risk. I know for example if we met the standards of potatoes we consume at KFC, we can begin to compete with Egypt and Brazil. This also provides us with the opportunity to develop standards apps and further expand job opportunities. It is my prayer that this time round we go past palaver and do something not just for us but the country. Kictanet will become part of history if we pull this. No donor or anybody can do this for us. Let us just do it. Ndemo.
No more Palaver Dr. Ndemo. I also put forward my 100,000. On 17/02/2013, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Listers, A total of 81 million manufacturing jobs are to move out of China in the next few years. Some jobs are moving back to the US and some are finding their way into emerging economies. In the past few weeks since the ground breaking ceremony at Konza, I have met with six manufacturing outfits that are considering Africa as their new manufacturing destination. Two are well known chipset manufacturers. They not only want to manufacture their chipsets here but would want to build a supply chain by partnering with locals to manufacture hand-sets using their platform.
The four other visitors are emerging American and European companies that want to leverage on new opportunities arising in Africa’s burgeoning mobile market. Some of the questions they ask include whether we are doing any light electronic assembly work. Of course the answer is no but I try to say good things about Dr. Gachigi’s work at the University of Nairobi Fab Lab. In my view we have collectively failed. We cannot get a donation from the MIT and seek for someone to take the risk by giving further aid. We cannot develop if we cannot take the risk ourselves. The KictaNet platform has been great and we say good things yet in three days we forget about them. At times we revive the issues but we never do anything that our children and grand children will remember us about. The forum we have is great. We need to use it much more by for example mobilizing resources to seize these emerging opportunities. Our risk is minimized if for example 1,000 people give 100,000 for production of locally manufactured set top boxes or mobile handsets. We shall never get to do this unless we consider the opportunities our collective responsibility to exploit them.
If you watched Johannes, the World Bank Country head’s press conference on Friday, you should be worried. The Bank is worried that the declining food productivity especially maize will lead to severe food insecurity in the country. There are signs that we may not get sufficient rainfalls next year. This is no longer a surprise since the drought cycle in Kenya is four years. Subsistence farming is the cause of all our problems. The solution is that we must reduce those we call farmers from 80% to less than 5% and increase manufacturing from its current contribution to GDP of 11% to more than 40%. We must move to large scale and mechanized farming in order to significantly improve on our productivity.
To achieve this, we must address land use in this country but we have decided to burry our heads in the sand on the issue of land. The problem is not in the distribution of it or the size one owns but in land use. It is far much easier to tax the Delameres for not utilizing the land than resettling 10,000 people on the land on the basis of ensuring equitable distribution of land. There is no country that has developed with majority of its people spread throughout the country in what they call Home Square. There are more than 70 million people living in England which is the size of Nyanza. In Kenya, 20% of land is arable and can be used without reliance on irrigation. This is far bigger space than England but due to our primitive sub-division of the land, we are not able to use the land productively. In Kisii which is the most fertile land in Kenya, average land size has dropped to less than two acres. Some “farmers” grow less than 100 stalks of maize. Clearly we are creating problems as we see crime soaring.
As Johannes concluded, we must scale up our manufacturing. This will enable us to rapidly urbanize and hopefully leave land for farming. Manufacturing opportunities in Kenya are enormous with insatiable market around us. Can we for once wake up and try exploiting these opportunities? I shall be the first one to contribute Ksh. 100,000 as capital for those willing to mobilize resources and take the risk of venturing into manufacturing either in light electronics or in value added services to our agricultural products. There is a body of knowledge that will help us minimize the risk. I know for example if we met the standards of potatoes we consume at KFC, we can begin to compete with Egypt and Brazil. This also provides us with the opportunity to develop standards apps and further expand job opportunities.
It is my prayer that this time round we go past palaver and do something not just for us but the country. Kictanet will become part of history if we pull this. No donor or anybody can do this for us. Let us just do it.
Ndemo.
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back to the politics of Digital migration, Here is a suggestion: 1: GOK funds expansion of the signal carriers, (selflessly this time around instead of on one hand going to bed with one commercial service provider and on the other hand trying to make a bad sell of a "free" version that is undersubscribed and "free as in beer". 2: GOK makes it mandatory for advertising based providers to put their signal on the free spectrum before considering going GoTV or any other commercial operation. this brings on board a critical mass of all local based broadcasters on board. 3: GOK then gives a quota of set top boxes (whose total production must be a certain percentage local, say 30% locally made) to the service providers, so that instead of charging them fees for the service over a certain period, broadcasters spend to increase reach and coverage. IMHO This would prevent the chicken and egg story facing broadcasting companies and signet. On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 12:06 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Listers, A total of 81 million manufacturing jobs are to move out of China in the next few years. Some jobs are moving back to the US and some are finding their way into emerging economies. In the past few weeks since the ground breaking ceremony at Konza, I have met with six manufacturing outfits that are considering Africa as their new manufacturing destination. Two are well known chipset manufacturers. They not only want to manufacture their chipsets here but would want to build a supply chain by partnering with locals to manufacture hand-sets using their platform.
The four other visitors are emerging American and European companies that want to leverage on new opportunities arising in Africa’s burgeoning mobile market. Some of the questions they ask include whether we are doing any light electronic assembly work. Of course the answer is no but I try to say good things about Dr. Gachigi’s work at the University of Nairobi Fab Lab. In my view we have collectively failed. We cannot get a donation from the MIT and seek for someone to take the risk by giving further aid. We cannot develop if we cannot take the risk ourselves. The KictaNet platform has been great and we say good things yet in three days we forget about them. At times we revive the issues but we never do anything that our children and grand children will remember us about. The forum we have is great. We need to use it much more by for example mobilizing resources to seize these emerging opportunities. Our risk is minimized if for example 1,000 people give 100,000 for production of locally manufactured set top boxes or mobile handsets. We shall never get to do this unless we consider the opportunities our collective responsibility to exploit them.
If you watched Johannes, the World Bank Country head’s press conference on Friday, you should be worried. The Bank is worried that the declining food productivity especially maize will lead to severe food insecurity in the country. There are signs that we may not get sufficient rainfalls next year. This is no longer a surprise since the drought cycle in Kenya is four years. Subsistence farming is the cause of all our problems. The solution is that we must reduce those we call farmers from 80% to less than 5% and increase manufacturing from its current contribution to GDP of 11% to more than 40%. We must move to large scale and mechanized farming in order to significantly improve on our productivity.
To achieve this, we must address land use in this country but we have decided to burry our heads in the sand on the issue of land. The problem is not in the distribution of it or the size one owns but in land use. It is far much easier to tax the Delameres for not utilizing the land than resettling 10,000 people on the land on the basis of ensuring equitable distribution of land. There is no country that has developed with majority of its people spread throughout the country in what they call Home Square. There are more than 70 million people living in England which is the size of Nyanza. In Kenya, 20% of land is arable and can be used without reliance on irrigation. This is far bigger space than England but due to our primitive sub-division of the land, we are not able to use the land productively. In Kisii which is the most fertile land in Kenya, average land size has dropped to less than two acres. Some “farmers” grow less than 100 stalks of maize. Clearly we are creating problems as we see crime soaring.
As Johannes concluded, we must scale up our manufacturing. This will enable us to rapidly urbanize and hopefully leave land for farming. Manufacturing opportunities in Kenya are enormous with insatiable market around us. Can we for once wake up and try exploiting these opportunities? I shall be the first one to contribute Ksh. 100,000 as capital for those willing to mobilize resources and take the risk of venturing into manufacturing either in light electronics or in value added services to our agricultural products. There is a body of knowledge that will help us minimize the risk. I know for example if we met the standards of potatoes we consume at KFC, we can begin to compete with Egypt and Brazil. This also provides us with the opportunity to develop standards apps and further expand job opportunities.
It is my prayer that this time round we go past palaver and do something not just for us but the country. Kictanet will become part of history if we pull this. No donor or anybody can do this for us. Let us just do it.
Ndemo.
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I really don't think legislating things such as local production is a nice move, it's one of the reasons why we end up with black markets, since legislation is usually quite oblivious of laws of demand and supply. As for funding, we have had M-Pesa for years and outblown our own vuvuzelas on the same. For those of us who follow technology globally, you should be aware of Kickstarter ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kickstarter ) which has gone ahead to fund quite some innovative IT projects in the US, such as a really affordable Android "PlayStation" and an Android watch. Locally, there is M-changa though seems not to have caught on. If we are serious enough, we can imitate Kickstarter and have funding for these done by M-pesa. The funding should have a goal to raise and have something to give in return to fund raisers, ie maybe each will get a decoder. Failure to raise the amount by a certain date should see funding returned to fund raisers. the funding platform should donate how many backers versus the amount raised . also necessary to find out what the law says about shareholding and methods of raising capital, as such investors can ideally become shareholders, if law applies. I hope this will not end like a certain plant I hear was crowd-funded before bidding investors goodbye(no refunds or even acknowledgement) and going private.
Agreed, Kenya has the capacity and should aim at Manufacturing locally as this is bound to become easier and cheaper with 3D printing for example see the Dutch architect who plans the world's first 3D-printed building. http://www.thecreatorsproject.com/blog/dutch-firm-to-create-3d-printed-house Let me also add that there is a reason why majority of manufacturing machines are made in Germany, including those found in factories here in the U.S. and why President Obama was espousing the German educational system where by the time high school students are graduating, they have already had some vocational training. The Germans have invested heavily in educating their children up to University level, and I would venture to say they reap huge ROIs. The Germans are still reforming their education systems and I see no reason why Kenya should not embark on the same with a major focus at including vocational training in Secondary Schools. http://www.bmbf.de/en/544.php --- On Fri, 2/15/13, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote: From: Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] University of Nairobi Set Top Boxes To: lkimani@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, February 15, 2013, 10:54 AM Manufacturing locally would absorb quite a number of semi skilled individuals into the workforce. Always a good thing. Outsourcing is not always a good idea. Check what happened to Dell & ASUS. Even the all mighty Apple Inc & Samsung. Let's make them. Lets sell them. Lets figure out supply chain for the greater East African region. Then we can tinker with other electronics. We have the capacity. Why not do it? Sent from my iPhone On 15 Feb 2013, at 17:30, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote: I dream when we will have outsourced manufacturing jobs overseas, and have big companies like Apple, HP, here in Kenya, then earn foreign exchange on the distribution and sells all over the world. But it sounds like a pipe dream. US is not suffering from outsourcing since the companies earn abnormal profits from that. Only the poor jobless hands-man is the one who suffers. But here in Kenya, we have non. No manufacturing companies outsourcing to Asia, and no outsourced jobs coming back home. Regards On 15 February 2013 15:38, <peres_were@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: +1 Ali. I noted in Obama's State of the Union Address a new initiative the US govt is setting up called "Manufacturing Innovation Hubs" aimed at spurring innovation in Manufacturing. In addition, a number of US companies such as Apple and Ford are bringing back manufacturing to the USA. 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It was called 844 and we messed it up completely when we left the implementation to PhD holders, as former President Moi once said "Muafirika ni mijinga sana" me included and I concur Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Lucy Kimani <lkimani@yahoo.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, 15 February 2013, 21:33 Subject: Re: [kictanet] University of Nairobi Set Top Boxes Agreed, Kenya has the capacity and should aim at Manufacturing locally as this is bound to become easier and cheaper with 3D printing for example see the Dutch architect who plans the world's first 3D-printed building. http://www.thecreatorsproject.com/blog/dutch-firm-to-create-3d-printed-house Let me also add that there is a reason why majority of manufacturing machines are made in Germany, including those found in factories here in the U.S. and why President Obama was espousing the German educational system where by the time high school students are graduating, they have already had some vocational training. The Germans have invested heavily in educating their children up to University level, and I would venture to say they reap huge ROIs. The Germans are still reforming their education systems and I see no reason why Kenya should not embark on the same with a major focus at including vocational training in Secondary Schools. http://www.bmbf.de/en/544.php --- On Fri, 2/15/13, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] University of Nairobi Set Top Boxes To: lkimani@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, February 15, 2013, 10:54 AM
Manufacturing locally would absorb quite a number of semi skilled individuals into the workforce. Always a good thing.
Outsourcing is not always a good idea. Check what happened to Dell & ASUS. Even the all mighty Apple Inc & Samsung.
Let's make them. Lets sell them. Lets figure out supply chain for the greater East African region. Then we can tinker with other electronics.
We have the capacity. Why not do it?
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On 15 Feb 2013, at 17:30, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
I dream when we will have outsourced manufacturing jobs overseas, and have big companies like Apple, HP, here in Kenya, then earn foreign exchange on the distribution and sells all over the world. But it sounds like a pipe dream.
US is not suffering from outsourcing since the companies earn abnormal profits from that. Only the poor jobless hands-man is the one who suffers.
But here in Kenya, we have non. No manufacturing companies outsourcing to Asia, and no outsourced jobs coming back home.
Regards
On 15 February 2013 15:38, <peres_were@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
+1 Ali. I noted in Obama's State of the Union Address a new initiative the US govt is setting up called "Manufacturing Innovation Hubs" aimed at spurring innovation in Manufacturing.
In addition, a number of US companies such as Apple and Ford are bringing back manufacturing to the USA.
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Ali Hussein -
Areba Collins [ ＠BrainiacKE ® ] -
bitange＠jambo.co.ke -
Dennis Kioko -
Eunice Wa -
Gilda Odera -
John Kieti -
Kivuva -
kris njoroge -
Lucy Kimani -
Mark Mwangi -
Odhiambo Washington -
Paul Kukubo -
peres_were＠yahoo.co.uk -
Phares Kariuki -
robert yawe