Jeipea! Thank you for these very good points. When I was at the iHub, I organised a regular lunch around HealthTech and we got a lot of insight that we would have given to SevenSeas for free, explaining the head winds they were going come into. The overall concept where the consumers(“consumed”) / working class / serfs / slaves have control on their lives and by extension the fortunes of the 1% is the stuff of Utopia and for UN “talks". It is not and will not be a reality for all of us. What these Finland, Estonia, Croatia and Slovakia have in common is an ethic (“national”)  identity. Singapore is similar to Hong Kong in that it was a British Empire outpost that was too different to remain long as a province of Malaysia considering that it was predominantly Ethnic Chinese with the Malay people being about 14% of the population at that time. In fact, Singapore was kicked out of the Malaysia federation and had to become a country on its own. The other major factor is ideology. You will notice that Brexit is an English tribal conversation in the United Kingdom. The Scots are not for it. Inside England, the different parties are based on ideology of Haves and Have-nots. Thus, their ideologies are based on class and these can be discussed within an ethnic paradigm. Almost all African countries cannot count these factors as part of their socio-political make up. Most African countries are multi-ethnic political states that have no socio-economic reasons for existence, unlike Singapore as an example. Kenya is a classic case, like the US of A where an amorphous state of ethnic mixes that are being economically "shaken down" and stratified into economic classes, the Haves and the Have-nots. Kenya has a neo-colonial class of imperial collaborators and the US has a class of global merchants as the Haves. What we need to look at is the history that brought these countries to this point of human development clarity. We, in Africa have not yet seen the kind of wars most Europeans have undergone in the past. We have a some ways to go before we collectively get “angry” enough to do something about our current condition. The fact that politics is objectified as a game is interesting since those Have-nots are the field on which the elephants “play" on. The fact that it is sold like that is the work of the Media, the “Fourth” Estate. Estate of what? So for us to have systems that allow the general population to control who has access to his or her data on any level, health included, is going to be fought by whatever 1% overlords the populace has. But we are not clear, ideologically, on WHY we want the freedom to control our individual data. Privacy is not the issue. That is a red herring. Best Regards, Jimmy Gitonga Web Software Design and Development LinkedIn: Jimmy Gitonga | Twitter: @Afrowave ______________________________________ Web: afroshok.com On 28 Jan 2020, 06:29 +0300, kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke, wrote:

Nope not America - I'm surprised they didn't make the cut for failed democracies.

I would consider Finland a normal country, maybe I would also add countries that are way much smaller than Kenya - both in population and size (Estonia, Croatia and Slovakia are about a tenth of Kenya and Singapore is way smaller than a tenth)

But Croatia has 13 times more our GDP per Capita and Slovakia 17 times more and Estonia has 19 more times Kenya\s GDP per Capita - Singapore has 57 times more GDP per capita than Kenya)

But maybe I am biased - all these countries are led by Women Presidents/Prime Ministers.

Halima Yacob, Zuzana Capatova, Kersti Kaljulaid, Kolinda Grabar. Sanna Marin. But if it was just about women I would mention Ethiopia with Sahle-Work Zewde - but I did not ???

But by normal I mean countries that seem to really work hard for the well-being of their citizens -

Gaddafi's Libya back in the day might have made the cut or Thomas Sankara's Burkina Faso...

Rwanda if they can find a way for sustainability and continuity of what they have under Kagame without him can make the cut.

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On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 12:35 PM Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:

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Arya

On a light note;-

What do you consider 'normal' countries? Would you, for example, consider America more normal than Kenya? #Asking4AFriend. ??

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On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 12:18 AM Arya Jeipea Karijo <johnpaulem@gmail.com> wrote:

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Well there was a "caveat" to the part about government control - it was in "normal societies" - Kenya isn't atypical in terms of governance ? I think it has worked well for countries like Estonia

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On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 3:45 PM Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:

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Well said Arya.

Couldn?t agree with you more. Except the part about giving government the control. How has that worked out for us so far?

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On 24 Jan 2020, at 2:59 PM, Arya Jeipea Karijo <johnpaulem@gmail.com> wrote:

? Hi Ali,

This is an interesting topic. I think there is two parts to this and that is how the issue should be addressed.

There is part one which is about Data Protection and privacy and you can't blame anyone for being alarmed at Google having access to 50 million patient records... the company literally has "made a living" out of having people giving up private data for convenience (including the email I am typing ?)

The second part is what technology can do for healthcare (or really any other sector - education, registration of births and deaths) - being able to digitize all our multiple identities including identification, health records and associating this with other records such as land registry records, tax records, criminal records, school records, business ownership records) - the ability to store all this massive amounts of data in the cloud and manipulate it and learn from it (machine learning, A.I etc) holds great potential to improve lives of citizens... actually improve is an understatement - transformation is more appropriate.

But all this system of digitization of paper, digitalization of process should be led by someone who can be held accountable to citizens - in normal nations this would be the government. Having an entity like Google or Ascencion do the hard work means we have to be prepared to pay the price... same story having Mastercard do Huduma Number.

Then the final and ultimate step is that while government will be involved in all of the expense and resourcing (all the computing resources need for learning and storage should be gov. owned) the final ultimate step is that the citizen holds the keys and permission to use their data. E.g you would get a notification saying C.I.D are requesting access to your bank or tax data - or you would get a request when the building you enter make a request to receive a visual confirmation that the image their system has captured of you matches the name you gave them - and you would be asked how long they were to hold this data (1 hour, 1 day) - citizen empowerment to control and share their data is the ultimate data protection... empowerment only happens with adequate user education and open and simple user agreements.

Example of a bad way to digitize was the first attempt at "Huduma number" - ultimatums and deadlines to the holders of data is not a good place to start... a good place to start is to ask yourself "What do I already know about the entity (human being) whose records I am trying to unify and digitize... and then work with that.

- Oops I guess I went off topic. That is my ten cents on the matter. With kind regards

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On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 8:34 AM Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

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Listers

In the recent past cries of outrage have been heard from all corners of the world on issues related to privacy and the power of BigTech over our lives.

Now BigTech is venturing into Healthcare with various initiatives from AI to how the healthcare ValueChain can be improved to bring down costs and make it more efficient.

Google?s latest forays into @Healthcare is raising a lot of eyebrows. Are we becoming too cautious at the expense of possible groundbreaking innovation? What can we do to ensure we don?t throw the baby with the bath water?

https://local12.com/news/nation-world/privacy-or-innovation-googles-access-t...

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