Netflix to be regulated by KFCB in Kenya
Hi Listers, I just came across this http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Netflix-should-be-subjecte... Looks like the Kenya Film Classification Board (KFCB) wants to regulate Netflix. I then wonder, is Netflix IN Kenya or is it allowing Kenyans to access it? When I think of DSTV, which I think is broadcast from SA, every film classification is as per the classification in SA. I don't think I have ever seen a film that implies a classification criteria that involves KFCB. -- *Regards,* *Wait**haka Ngigi* Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi Synod Building T +254 20 525 0750 |Office Mobile: +254 716 201061 | M +254 737 811 000 www.at.co.ke
Ngigi Netflix is available in Kenya from yesterday. Good luck to KFCB trying to regulate them. Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad
On 8 Jan 2016, at 7:07 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Listers,
I just came across this http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Netflix-should-be-subjecte...
Looks like the Kenya Film Classification Board (KFCB) wants to regulate Netflix.
I then wonder, is Netflix IN Kenya or is it allowing Kenyans to access it?
When I think of DSTV, which I think is broadcast from SA, every film classification is as per the classification in SA. I don't think I have ever seen a film that implies a classification criteria that involves KFCB.
-- Regards,
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Ali, I am actually aware that you can now watch Netflix while IN Kenya without having to use those VPN accounts... Does that mean Netflix is operating IN Kenya and hence can be regulated? Suppose I stream Fifty Shades of Grey, which is currently banned in Kenya by KFCB, from a Netflix Server hosted in the US, does that require regulation? Rgds On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected]> wrote:
Ngigi
Netflix is available in Kenya from yesterday.
Good luck to KFCB trying to regulate them.
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On 8 Jan 2016, at 7:07 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Hi Listers,
I just came across this
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Netflix-should-be-subjecte...
Looks like the Kenya Film Classification Board (KFCB) wants to regulate Netflix.
I then wonder, is Netflix IN Kenya or is it allowing Kenyans to access it?
When I think of DSTV, which I think is broadcast from SA, every film classification is as per the classification in SA. I don't think I have ever seen a film that implies a classification criteria that involves KFCB.
-- *Regards,*
*Wait**haka Ngigi* Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi Synod Building T +254 20 525 0750 |Office Mobile: +254 716 201061 | M +254 737 811 000 www.at.co.ke
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Ngigi Interesting question. My question to KFCB is:- What makes them think they can regulate Netflix when they have been unable to Regulate torrents? Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad
On 8 Jan 2016, at 7:41 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <[email protected]> wrote:
Ali,
I am actually aware that you can now watch Netflix while IN Kenya without having to use those VPN accounts...
Does that mean Netflix is operating IN Kenya and hence can be regulated?
Suppose I stream Fifty Shades of Grey, which is currently banned in Kenya by KFCB, from a Netflix Server hosted in the US, does that require regulation?
Rgds
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected]> wrote: Ngigi
Netflix is available in Kenya from yesterday.
Good luck to KFCB trying to regulate them.
Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
Sent from my iPad
On 8 Jan 2016, at 7:07 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Listers,
I just came across this http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Netflix-should-be-subjecte...
Looks like the Kenya Film Classification Board (KFCB) wants to regulate Netflix.
I then wonder, is Netflix IN Kenya or is it allowing Kenyans to access it?
When I think of DSTV, which I think is broadcast from SA, every film classification is as per the classification in SA. I don't think I have ever seen a film that implies a classification criteria that involves KFCB.
-- Regards,
Waithaka Ngigi Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi Synod Building T +254 20 525 0750 |Office Mobile: +254 716 201061 | M +254 737 811 000 www.at.co.ke _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
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Ali, Any idea how DSTV is currently regulated? I can't seem to ever remember an instance where anything DSTV broadcasted was regulated by KFCB... I am actually thinking we'll get another Equitel<->Safcom fight with the dominant player claiming that SIM Overlays are the "...current home of insecurity..." (Just incase Safcom would like to know; that was sooo lame) In this instance, it's most likely going to be, "...Netflix is here to mess with our morals :-)..." On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:48 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected]> wrote:
Ngigi
Interesting question. My question to KFCB is:-
What makes them think they can regulate Netflix when they have been unable to Regulate torrents?
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On 8 Jan 2016, at 7:41 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <[email protected]> wrote:
Ali,
I am actually aware that you can now watch Netflix while IN Kenya without having to use those VPN accounts...
Does that mean Netflix is operating IN Kenya and hence can be regulated?
Suppose I stream Fifty Shades of Grey, which is currently banned in Kenya by KFCB, from a Netflix Server hosted in the US, does that require regulation?
Rgds
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected]> wrote:
Ngigi
Netflix is available in Kenya from yesterday.
Good luck to KFCB trying to regulate them.
*Ali Hussein* *Principal* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
Sent from my iPad
On 8 Jan 2016, at 7:07 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Hi Listers,
I just came across this
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Netflix-should-be-subjecte...
Looks like the Kenya Film Classification Board (KFCB) wants to regulate Netflix.
I then wonder, is Netflix IN Kenya or is it allowing Kenyans to access it?
When I think of DSTV, which I think is broadcast from SA, every film classification is as per the classification in SA. I don't think I have ever seen a film that implies a classification criteria that involves KFCB.
-- *Regards,*
*Wait**haka Ngigi* Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi Synod Building T +254 20 525 0750 |Office Mobile: +254 716 201061 | M +254 737 811 000 www.at.co.ke
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*Wait**haka Ngigi* Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi Synod Building T +254 20 525 0750 |Office Mobile: +254 716 201061 | M +254 737 811 000 www.at.co.ke
-- *Regards,* *Wait**haka Ngigi* Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi Synod Building T +254 20 525 0750 |Office Mobile: +254 716 201061 | M +254 737 811 000 www.at.co.ke
:-) As far as I know DSTV is not 'regulated'. Besides, remember that KBC is a major stakeholder in DSTV..:-) Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad
On 8 Jan 2016, at 8:02 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <[email protected]> wrote:
Ali,
Any idea how DSTV is currently regulated? I can't seem to ever remember an instance where anything DSTV broadcasted was regulated by KFCB...
I am actually thinking we'll get another Equitel<->Safcom fight with the dominant player claiming that SIM Overlays are the "...current home of insecurity..." (Just incase Safcom would like to know; that was sooo lame)
In this instance, it's most likely going to be, "...Netflix is here to mess with our morals :-)..."
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:48 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected]> wrote: Ngigi
Interesting question. My question to KFCB is:-
What makes them think they can regulate Netflix when they have been unable to Regulate torrents?
Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
Sent from my iPad
On 8 Jan 2016, at 7:41 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <[email protected]> wrote:
Ali,
I am actually aware that you can now watch Netflix while IN Kenya without having to use those VPN accounts...
Does that mean Netflix is operating IN Kenya and hence can be regulated?
Suppose I stream Fifty Shades of Grey, which is currently banned in Kenya by KFCB, from a Netflix Server hosted in the US, does that require regulation?
Rgds
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected]> wrote: Ngigi
Netflix is available in Kenya from yesterday.
Good luck to KFCB trying to regulate them.
Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
Sent from my iPad
On 8 Jan 2016, at 7:07 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Listers,
I just came across this http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Netflix-should-be-subjecte...
Looks like the Kenya Film Classification Board (KFCB) wants to regulate Netflix.
I then wonder, is Netflix IN Kenya or is it allowing Kenyans to access it?
When I think of DSTV, which I think is broadcast from SA, every film classification is as per the classification in SA. I don't think I have ever seen a film that implies a classification criteria that involves KFCB.
-- Regards,
Waithaka Ngigi Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi Synod Building T +254 20 525 0750 |Office Mobile: +254 716 201061 | M +254 737 811 000 www.at.co.ke _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
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-- Regards,
Waithaka Ngigi Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi Synod Building T +254 20 525 0750 |Office Mobile: +254 716 201061 | M +254 737 811 000 www.at.co.ke
-- Regards,
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:-) Thought so too... And guess, who else has over 18+ free channels that are never regulated? Youtube, Vimeo, Hulu.... All these rely on self-regulation i.e Parents etc And so, Netflix launches its goodies in Kenya this week *Wednesday* and on *Monday* coming week, they have a *date* with the regulator... Quickest ever date with Kenyan bureaucracy.... Just how smooth can you be...! :-) @Walu, Can you add *level* playing field for all content providers into that *list* On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 8:06 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected]> wrote:
:-)
As far as I know DSTV is not 'regulated'. Besides, remember that KBC is a major stakeholder in DSTV..:-)
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On 8 Jan 2016, at 8:02 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <[email protected]> wrote:
Ali,
Any idea how DSTV is currently regulated? I can't seem to ever remember an instance where anything DSTV broadcasted was regulated by KFCB...
I am actually thinking we'll get another Equitel<->Safcom fight with the dominant player claiming that SIM Overlays are the "...current home of insecurity..." (Just incase Safcom would like to know; that was sooo lame)
In this instance, it's most likely going to be, "...Netflix is here to mess with our morals :-)..."
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:48 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected]> wrote:
Ngigi
Interesting question. My question to KFCB is:-
What makes them think they can regulate Netflix when they have been unable to Regulate torrents?
*Ali Hussein* *Principal* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
Sent from my iPad
On 8 Jan 2016, at 7:41 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <[email protected]> wrote:
Ali,
I am actually aware that you can now watch Netflix while IN Kenya without having to use those VPN accounts...
Does that mean Netflix is operating IN Kenya and hence can be regulated?
Suppose I stream Fifty Shades of Grey, which is currently banned in Kenya by KFCB, from a Netflix Server hosted in the US, does that require regulation?
Rgds
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected]> wrote:
Ngigi
Netflix is available in Kenya from yesterday.
Good luck to KFCB trying to regulate them.
*Ali Hussein* *Principal* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
Sent from my iPad
On 8 Jan 2016, at 7:07 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Hi Listers,
I just came across this
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Netflix-should-be-subjecte...
Looks like the Kenya Film Classification Board (KFCB) wants to regulate Netflix.
I then wonder, is Netflix IN Kenya or is it allowing Kenyans to access it?
When I think of DSTV, which I think is broadcast from SA, every film classification is as per the classification in SA. I don't think I have ever seen a film that implies a classification criteria that involves KFCB.
-- *Regards,*
*Wait**haka Ngigi* Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi Synod Building T +254 20 525 0750 |Office Mobile: +254 716 201061 | M +254 737 811 000 www.at.co.ke
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-- *Regards,*
*Wait**haka Ngigi* Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi Synod Building T +254 20 525 0750 |Office Mobile: +254 716 201061 | M +254 737 811 000 www.at.co.ke
-- *Regards,*
*Wait**haka Ngigi* Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi Synod Building T +254 20 525 0750 |Office Mobile: +254 716 201061 | M +254 737 811 000 www.at.co.ke
-- *Regards,* *Wait**haka Ngigi* Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi Synod Building T +254 20 525 0750 |Office Mobile: +254 716 201061 | M +254 737 811 000 www.at.co.ke
:-) The more things change... Ali Hussein Tel: +254 713 601113 On Jan 8, 2016 8:20 PM, "Ngigi Waithaka" <[email protected]> wrote:
:-) Thought so too...
And guess, who else has over 18+ free channels that are never regulated? Youtube, Vimeo, Hulu.... All these rely on self-regulation i.e Parents etc
And so, Netflix launches its goodies in Kenya this week *Wednesday* and on *Monday* coming week, they have a *date* with the regulator...
Quickest ever date with Kenyan bureaucracy.... Just how smooth can you be...! :-)
@Walu, Can you add *level* playing field for all content providers into that *list*
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 8:06 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected]> wrote:
:-)
As far as I know DSTV is not 'regulated'. Besides, remember that KBC is a major stakeholder in DSTV..:-)
*Ali Hussein* *Principal* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim
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Sent from my iPad
On 8 Jan 2016, at 8:02 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <[email protected]> wrote:
Ali,
Any idea how DSTV is currently regulated? I can't seem to ever remember an instance where anything DSTV broadcasted was regulated by KFCB...
I am actually thinking we'll get another Equitel<->Safcom fight with the dominant player claiming that SIM Overlays are the "...current home of insecurity..." (Just incase Safcom would like to know; that was sooo lame)
In this instance, it's most likely going to be, "...Netflix is here to mess with our morals :-)..."
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:48 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected]> wrote:
Ngigi
Interesting question. My question to KFCB is:-
What makes them think they can regulate Netflix when they have been unable to Regulate torrents?
*Ali Hussein* *Principal* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
Sent from my iPad
On 8 Jan 2016, at 7:41 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <[email protected]> wrote:
Ali,
I am actually aware that you can now watch Netflix while IN Kenya without having to use those VPN accounts...
Does that mean Netflix is operating IN Kenya and hence can be regulated?
Suppose I stream Fifty Shades of Grey, which is currently banned in Kenya by KFCB, from a Netflix Server hosted in the US, does that require regulation?
Rgds
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected]> wrote:
Ngigi
Netflix is available in Kenya from yesterday.
Good luck to KFCB trying to regulate them.
*Ali Hussein* *Principal* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
Sent from my iPad
On 8 Jan 2016, at 7:07 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Hi Listers,
I just came across this
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Netflix-should-be-subjecte...
Looks like the Kenya Film Classification Board (KFCB) wants to regulate Netflix.
I then wonder, is Netflix IN Kenya or is it allowing Kenyans to access it?
When I think of DSTV, which I think is broadcast from SA, every film classification is as per the classification in SA. I don't think I have ever seen a film that implies a classification criteria that involves KFCB.
-- *Regards,*
*Wait**haka Ngigi* Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi Synod Building T +254 20 525 0750 |Office Mobile: +254 716 201061 | M +254 737 811 000 www.at.co.ke
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-- *Regards,*
*Wait**haka Ngigi* Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi Synod Building T +254 20 525 0750 |Office Mobile: +254 716 201061 | M +254 737 811 000 www.at.co.ke
-- *Regards,*
*Wait**haka Ngigi* Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi Synod Building T +254 20 525 0750 |Office Mobile: +254 716 201061 | M +254 737 811 000 www.at.co.ke
-- *Regards,*
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I think we have a big problem with Kenya Government and Agencies not understanding how cyber works. How can you regulate streaming? Can someone please train them or get younger guys who understand cyber to sit in their board meetings. On 8 Jan 2016 20:32, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < [email protected]> wrote:
:-)
The more things change...
Ali Hussein Tel: +254 713 601113 On Jan 8, 2016 8:20 PM, "Ngigi Waithaka" <[email protected]> wrote:
:-) Thought so too...
And guess, who else has over 18+ free channels that are never regulated? Youtube, Vimeo, Hulu.... All these rely on self-regulation i.e Parents etc
And so, Netflix launches its goodies in Kenya this week *Wednesday* and on *Monday* coming week, they have a *date* with the regulator...
Quickest ever date with Kenyan bureaucracy.... Just how smooth can you be...! :-)
@Walu, Can you add *level* playing field for all content providers into that *list*
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 8:06 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected]> wrote:
:-)
As far as I know DSTV is not 'regulated'. Besides, remember that KBC is a major stakeholder in DSTV..:-)
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On 8 Jan 2016, at 8:02 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <[email protected]> wrote:
Ali,
Any idea how DSTV is currently regulated? I can't seem to ever remember an instance where anything DSTV broadcasted was regulated by KFCB...
I am actually thinking we'll get another Equitel<->Safcom fight with the dominant player claiming that SIM Overlays are the "...current home of insecurity..." (Just incase Safcom would like to know; that was sooo lame)
In this instance, it's most likely going to be, "...Netflix is here to mess with our morals :-)..."
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:48 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected]> wrote:
Ngigi
Interesting question. My question to KFCB is:-
What makes them think they can regulate Netflix when they have been unable to Regulate torrents?
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On 8 Jan 2016, at 7:41 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <[email protected]> wrote:
Ali,
I am actually aware that you can now watch Netflix while IN Kenya without having to use those VPN accounts...
Does that mean Netflix is operating IN Kenya and hence can be regulated?
Suppose I stream Fifty Shades of Grey, which is currently banned in Kenya by KFCB, from a Netflix Server hosted in the US, does that require regulation?
Rgds
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected]> wrote:
Ngigi
Netflix is available in Kenya from yesterday.
Good luck to KFCB trying to regulate them.
*Ali Hussein* *Principal* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
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On 8 Jan 2016, at 7:07 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Hi Listers,
I just came across this
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Netflix-should-be-subjecte...
Looks like the Kenya Film Classification Board (KFCB) wants to regulate Netflix.
I then wonder, is Netflix IN Kenya or is it allowing Kenyans to access it?
When I think of DSTV, which I think is broadcast from SA, every film classification is as per the classification in SA. I don't think I have ever seen a film that implies a classification criteria that involves KFCB.
-- *Regards,*
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@Gichuki, I agree with you on the issue of understanding. I think KFCB needs to get a brief on how Netflix works, including exploring what local and international regimes exist for the management of online broadcasts. RgdsGG Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 14:43:59 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Netflix to be regulated by KFCB in Kenya From: [email protected] CC: [email protected] To: [email protected] I think we have a big problem with Kenya Government and Agencies not understanding how cyber works. How can you regulate streaming? Can someone please train them or get younger guys who understand cyber to sit in their board meetings. On 8 Jan 2016 20:32, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <[email protected]> wrote: :-) The more things change... Ali Hussein Tel: +254 713 601113 On Jan 8, 2016 8:20 PM, "Ngigi Waithaka" <[email protected]> wrote: :-) Thought so too... And guess, who else has over 18+ free channels that are never regulated? Youtube, Vimeo, Hulu.... All these rely on self-regulation i.e Parents etc And so, Netflix launches its goodies in Kenya this week *Wednesday* and on *Monday* coming week, they have a *date* with the regulator... Quickest ever date with Kenyan bureaucracy.... Just how smooth can you be...! :-) @Walu,Can you add *level* playing field for all content providers into that *list* On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 8:06 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected]> wrote: :-) As far as I know DSTV is not 'regulated'. Besides, remember that KBC is a major stakeholder in DSTV..:-) Ali HusseinPrincipalHussein & Associates+254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 Twitter: @AliHKassimSkype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassimBlog: www.alyhussein.com "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad On 8 Jan 2016, at 8:02 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <[email protected]> wrote: Ali, Any idea how DSTV is currently regulated? I can't seem to ever remember an instance where anything DSTV broadcasted was regulated by KFCB... I am actually thinking we'll get another Equitel<->Safcom fight with the dominant player claiming that SIM Overlays are the "...current home of insecurity..." (Just incase Safcom would like to know; that was sooo lame) In this instance, it's most likely going to be, "...Netflix is here to mess with our morals :-)..." On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:48 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected]> wrote: Ngigi Interesting question. My question to KFCB is:- What makes them think they can regulate Netflix when they have been unable to Regulate torrents? Ali HusseinPrincipalHussein & Associates+254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 Twitter: @AliHKassimSkype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassimBlog: www.alyhussein.com "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad On 8 Jan 2016, at 7:41 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <[email protected]> wrote: Ali, I am actually aware that you can now watch Netflix while IN Kenya without having to use those VPN accounts... Does that mean Netflix is operating IN Kenya and hence can be regulated? Suppose I stream Fifty Shades of Grey, which is currently banned in Kenya by KFCB, from a Netflix Server hosted in the US, does that require regulation? Rgds On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected]> wrote: Ngigi Netflix is available in Kenya from yesterday. Good luck to KFCB trying to regulate them. Ali HusseinPrincipalHussein & Associates+254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 Twitter: @AliHKassimSkype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassimBlog: www.alyhussein.com "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad On 8 Jan 2016, at 7:07 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Listers, I just came across thishttp://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Netflix-should-be-subjecte... Looks like the Kenya Film Classification Board (KFCB) wants to regulate Netflix. I then wonder, is Netflix IN Kenya or is it allowing Kenyans to access it? When I think of DSTV, which I think is broadcast from SA, every film classification is as per the classification in SA. I don't think I have ever seen a film that implies a classification criteria that involves KFCB. -- Regards, Waithaka NgigiChief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi Synod BuildingT +254 20 525 0750 |Office Mobile: +254 716 201061 | M +254 737 811 000 www.at.co.ke _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/info%40alyhussein.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ggithaiga%40hotmail.co... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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Fortunately for them Netflx has agreed to meet them. I understand they are meeting this week. Would be interesting how far both parties are willing to go to censor some content deemed undesirable for Kenyans. Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad
On 10 Jan 2016, at 4:34 PM, Grace Githaiga via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote:
@Gichuki, I agree with you on the issue of understanding. I think KFCB needs to get a brief on how Netflix works, including exploring what local and international regimes exist for the management of online broadcasts.
Rgds GG
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 14:43:59 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Netflix to be regulated by KFCB in Kenya From: [email protected] CC: [email protected] To: [email protected]
I think we have a big problem with Kenya Government and Agencies not understanding how cyber works. How can you regulate streaming? Can someone please train them or get younger guys who understand cyber to sit in their board meetings.
On 8 Jan 2016 20:32, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <[email protected]> wrote: :-)
The more things change...
Ali Hussein Tel: +254 713 601113
On Jan 8, 2016 8:20 PM, "Ngigi Waithaka" <[email protected]> wrote: :-) Thought so too...
And guess, who else has over 18+ free channels that are never regulated? Youtube, Vimeo, Hulu.... All these rely on self-regulation i.e Parents etc
And so, Netflix launches its goodies in Kenya this week *Wednesday* and on *Monday* coming week, they have a *date* with the regulator...
Quickest ever date with Kenyan bureaucracy.... Just how smooth can you be...! :-)
@Walu, Can you add *level* playing field for all content providers into that *list*
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 8:06 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected]> wrote: :-)
As far as I know DSTV is not 'regulated'. Besides, remember that KBC is a major stakeholder in DSTV..:-)
Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
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On 8 Jan 2016, at 8:02 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <[email protected]> wrote:
Ali,
Any idea how DSTV is currently regulated? I can't seem to ever remember an instance where anything DSTV broadcasted was regulated by KFCB...
I am actually thinking we'll get another Equitel<->Safcom fight with the dominant player claiming that SIM Overlays are the "...current home of insecurity..." (Just incase Safcom would like to know; that was sooo lame)
In this instance, it's most likely going to be, "...Netflix is here to mess with our morals :-)..."
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:48 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected]> wrote: Ngigi
Interesting question. My question to KFCB is:-
What makes them think they can regulate Netflix when they have been unable to Regulate torrents?
Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
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Sent from my iPad
On 8 Jan 2016, at 7:41 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <[email protected]> wrote:
Ali,
I am actually aware that you can now watch Netflix while IN Kenya without having to use those VPN accounts...
Does that mean Netflix is operating IN Kenya and hence can be regulated?
Suppose I stream Fifty Shades of Grey, which is currently banned in Kenya by KFCB, from a Netflix Server hosted in the US, does that require regulation?
Rgds
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected]> wrote: Ngigi
Netflix is available in Kenya from yesterday.
Good luck to KFCB trying to regulate them.
Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
Blog: www.alyhussein.com
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Sent from my iPad
On 8 Jan 2016, at 7:07 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Listers,
I just came across this http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Netflix-should-be-subjecte...
Looks like the Kenya Film Classification Board (KFCB) wants to regulate Netflix.
I then wonder, is Netflix IN Kenya or is it allowing Kenyans to access it?
When I think of DSTV, which I think is broadcast from SA, every film classification is as per the classification in SA. I don't think I have ever seen a film that implies a classification criteria that involves KFCB.
-- Regards,
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So can we now expect meetings with YouTube, Vimeo etc to be on the cards in the coming months? Meanwhile, I think this might be an opportunity for KFCB and its peers on the continent to lobby Netflix to accommodate local content…since they are in a boardroom and what not. Muchiri
On 11 Jan 2016, at 8:23 AM, Ali Hussein via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote:
Fortunately for them Netflx has agreed to meet them. I understand they are meeting this week. Would be interesting how far both parties are willing to go to censor some content deemed undesirable for Kenyans.
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Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> Blog: www.alyhussein.com <http://www.alyhussein.com/>
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On 10 Jan 2016, at 4:34 PM, Grace Githaiga via kictanet <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
@Gichuki, I agree with you on the issue of understanding. I think KFCB needs to get a brief on how Netflix works, including exploring what local and international regimes exist for the management of online broadcasts.
Rgds GG
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 14:43:59 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Netflix to be regulated by KFCB in Kenya From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> CC: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
I think we have a big problem with Kenya Government and Agencies not understanding how cyber works. How can you regulate streaming? Can someone please train them or get younger guys who understand cyber to sit in their board meetings.
On 8 Jan 2016 20:32, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: :-)
The more things change...
Ali Hussein Tel: +254 713 601113
On Jan 8, 2016 8:20 PM, "Ngigi Waithaka" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: :-) Thought so too...
And guess, who else has over 18+ free channels that are never regulated? Youtube, Vimeo, Hulu.... All these rely on self-regulation i.e Parents etc
And so, Netflix launches its goodies in Kenya this week *Wednesday* and on *Monday* coming week, they have a *date* with the regulator...
Quickest ever date with Kenyan bureaucracy.... Just how smooth can you be...! :-)
@Walu, Can you add *level* playing field for all content providers into that *list*
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 8:06 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: :-)
As far as I know DSTV is not 'regulated'. Besides, remember that KBC is a major stakeholder in DSTV..:-)
Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
Blog: www.alyhussein.com <http://www.alyhussein.com/>
"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
Sent from my iPad
On 8 Jan 2016, at 8:02 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Ali,
Any idea how DSTV is currently regulated? I can't seem to ever remember an instance where anything DSTV broadcasted was regulated by KFCB...
I am actually thinking we'll get another Equitel<->Safcom fight with the dominant player claiming that SIM Overlays are the "...current home of insecurity..." (Just incase Safcom would like to know; that was sooo lame)
In this instance, it's most likely going to be, "...Netflix is here to mess with our morals :-)..."
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:48 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Ngigi
Interesting question. My question to KFCB is:-
What makes them think they can regulate Netflix when they have been unable to Regulate torrents?
Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
Blog: www.alyhussein.com <http://www.alyhussein.com/>
"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
Sent from my iPad
On 8 Jan 2016, at 7:41 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Ali,
I am actually aware that you can now watch Netflix while IN Kenya without having to use those VPN accounts...
Does that mean Netflix is operating IN Kenya and hence can be regulated?
Suppose I stream Fifty Shades of Grey, which is currently banned in Kenya by KFCB, from a Netflix Server hosted in the US, does that require regulation?
Rgds
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Ngigi
Netflix is available in Kenya from yesterday.
Good luck to KFCB trying to regulate them.
Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
Blog: www.alyhussein.com <http://www.alyhussein.com/>
"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
Sent from my iPad
On 8 Jan 2016, at 7:07 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi Listers,
I just came across this http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Netflix-should-be-subjecte... <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Netflix-should-be-subjected-to-local-rating-standards/-/539550/3025624/-/br9ipaz/-/index.html>
Looks like the Kenya Film Classification Board (KFCB) wants to regulate Netflix.
I then wonder, is Netflix IN Kenya or is it allowing Kenyans to access it?
When I think of DSTV, which I think is broadcast from SA, every film classification is as per the classification in SA. I don't think I have ever seen a film that implies a classification criteria that involves KFCB.
-- Regards,
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+1 Muchiri Nyaggah on adding local content to offerings by NetFlix. You know what, KFCB's mandate becomes nil if streaming becomes mainstream and they cannot regulate that content. When that day comes, we will ask for KFCB to be disbanded because they will have become irrelevant. That means they can only regulate local content, and what comes through traditional media (radio, TV, and DVD sales), but they cannot regulate streaming which will bypass all those other platforms in the coming years. KFCB here is trying to remain relevant and push it's head above the water in the deep ocean that is the internet. Of course KFCB's interference on online businesses is now a censorship issue, making us look more like some countries in Easter Europe and Asia. One eminent scholar was asking last week what will happen to our social values after allowing NetFlix in our borders. For example, our laws are very clear on issue of homosexuality and porn. Very interesting debate. I don't envy the guys at KFCB. On 11/01/2016, Muchiri Nyaggah via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote:
So can we now expect meetings with YouTube, Vimeo etc to be on the cards in the coming months?
Meanwhile, I think this might be an opportunity for KFCB and its peers on the continent to lobby Netflix to accommodate local content…since they are in a boardroom and what not.
Muchiri
On 11 Jan 2016, at 8:23 AM, Ali Hussein via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote:
Fortunately for them Netflx has agreed to meet them. I understand they are meeting this week. Would be interesting how far both parties are willing to go to censor some content deemed undesirable for Kenyans.
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On 10 Jan 2016, at 4:34 PM, Grace Githaiga via kictanet <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
@Gichuki, I agree with you on the issue of understanding. I think KFCB needs to get a brief on how Netflix works, including exploring what local and international regimes exist for the management of online broadcasts.
Rgds GG
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 14:43:59 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Netflix to be regulated by KFCB in Kenya From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> CC: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
I think we have a big problem with Kenya Government and Agencies not understanding how cyber works. How can you regulate streaming? Can someone please train them or get younger guys who understand cyber to sit in their board meetings.
On 8 Jan 2016 20:32, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: :-)
The more things change...
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On Jan 8, 2016 8:20 PM, "Ngigi Waithaka" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: :-) Thought so too...
And guess, who else has over 18+ free channels that are never regulated? Youtube, Vimeo, Hulu.... All these rely on self-regulation i.e Parents etc
And so, Netflix launches its goodies in Kenya this week *Wednesday* and on *Monday* coming week, they have a *date* with the regulator...
Quickest ever date with Kenyan bureaucracy.... Just how smooth can you be...! :-)
@Walu, Can you add *level* playing field for all content providers into that *list*
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 8:06 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: :-)
As far as I know DSTV is not 'regulated'. Besides, remember that KBC is a major stakeholder in DSTV..:-)
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On 8 Jan 2016, at 8:02 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Ali,
Any idea how DSTV is currently regulated? I can't seem to ever remember an instance where anything DSTV broadcasted was regulated by KFCB...
I am actually thinking we'll get another Equitel<->Safcom fight with the dominant player claiming that SIM Overlays are the "...current home of insecurity..." (Just incase Safcom would like to know; that was sooo lame)
In this instance, it's most likely going to be, "...Netflix is here to mess with our morals :-)..."
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:48 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Ngigi
Interesting question. My question to KFCB is:-
What makes them think they can regulate Netflix when they have been unable to Regulate torrents?
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On 8 Jan 2016, at 7:41 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Ali,
I am actually aware that you can now watch Netflix while IN Kenya without having to use those VPN accounts...
Does that mean Netflix is operating IN Kenya and hence can be regulated?
Suppose I stream Fifty Shades of Grey, which is currently banned in Kenya by KFCB, from a Netflix Server hosted in the US, does that require regulation?
Rgds
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Ngigi
Netflix is available in Kenya from yesterday.
Good luck to KFCB trying to regulate them.
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On 8 Jan 2016, at 7:07 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi Listers,
I just came across this http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Netflix-should-be-subjecte... <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Netflix-should-be-subjected-to-local-rating-standards/-/539550/3025624/-/br9ipaz/-/index.html>
Looks like the Kenya Film Classification Board (KFCB) wants to regulate Netflix.
I then wonder, is Netflix IN Kenya or is it allowing Kenyans to access it?
When I think of DSTV, which I think is broadcast from SA, every film classification is as per the classification in SA. I don't think I have ever seen a film that implies a classification criteria that involves KFCB.
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On the subject of regulation, the board has a mandate by implication to regulate 'all' visual content aired in kenya via whatever media so long as its for public consumption, i.e, mass media. On the subject of understanding, the initial meeting will most likely to establish jurisdiction, understanding of formats, roles and mode of self regulation already in place. On the subject of DSTV, the initial partnership with KBC at inception should have covered assimilation of ratings and standards of broadcast. my 2 cents. On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
+1 Muchiri Nyaggah on adding local content to offerings by NetFlix.
You know what, KFCB's mandate becomes nil if streaming becomes mainstream and they cannot regulate that content. When that day comes, we will ask for KFCB to be disbanded because they will have become irrelevant. That means they can only regulate local content, and what comes through traditional media (radio, TV, and DVD sales), but they cannot regulate streaming which will bypass all those other platforms in the coming years. KFCB here is trying to remain relevant and push it's head above the water in the deep ocean that is the internet. Of course KFCB's interference on online businesses is now a censorship issue, making us look more like some countries in Easter Europe and Asia.
One eminent scholar was asking last week what will happen to our social values after allowing NetFlix in our borders. For example, our laws are very clear on issue of homosexuality and porn.
Very interesting debate. I don't envy the guys at KFCB.
So can we now expect meetings with YouTube, Vimeo etc to be on the cards in the coming months?
Meanwhile, I think this might be an opportunity for KFCB and its peers on the continent to lobby Netflix to accommodate local content…since they are in a boardroom and what not.
Muchiri
On 11 Jan 2016, at 8:23 AM, Ali Hussein via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote:
Fortunately for them Netflx has agreed to meet them. I understand they are meeting this week. Would be interesting how far both parties are willing to go to censor some content deemed undesirable for Kenyans.
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On 10 Jan 2016, at 4:34 PM, Grace Githaiga via kictanet <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
@Gichuki, I agree with you on the issue of understanding. I think KFCB needs to get a brief on how Netflix works, including exploring what local and international regimes exist for the management of online broadcasts.
Rgds GG
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 14:43:59 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Netflix to be regulated by KFCB in Kenya From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> CC: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
I think we have a big problem with Kenya Government and Agencies not understanding how cyber works. How can you regulate streaming? Can someone please train them or get younger guys who understand cyber to sit in their board meetings.
On 8 Jan 2016 20:32, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: :-)
The more things change...
Ali Hussein Tel: +254 713 601113
On Jan 8, 2016 8:20 PM, "Ngigi Waithaka" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: :-) Thought so too...
And guess, who else has over 18+ free channels that are never regulated? Youtube, Vimeo, Hulu.... All these rely on self-regulation i.e Parents etc
And so, Netflix launches its goodies in Kenya this week *Wednesday* and on *Monday* coming week, they have a *date* with the regulator...
Quickest ever date with Kenyan bureaucracy.... Just how smooth can you be...! :-)
@Walu, Can you add *level* playing field for all content providers into that *list*
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 8:06 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: :-)
As far as I know DSTV is not 'regulated'. Besides, remember that KBC is a major stakeholder in DSTV..:-)
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On 8 Jan 2016, at 8:02 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Ali,
Any idea how DSTV is currently regulated? I can't seem to ever remember an instance where anything DSTV broadcasted was regulated by KFCB...
I am actually thinking we'll get another Equitel<->Safcom fight with
On 11/01/2016, Muchiri Nyaggah via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote: the
dominant player claiming that SIM Overlays are the "...current home of insecurity..." (Just incase Safcom would like to know; that was sooo lame)
In this instance, it's most likely going to be, "...Netflix is here to mess with our morals :-)..."
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:48 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Ngigi
Interesting question. My question to KFCB is:-
What makes them think they can regulate Netflix when they have been unable to Regulate torrents?
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On 8 Jan 2016, at 7:41 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Ali,
I am actually aware that you can now watch Netflix while IN Kenya without having to use those VPN accounts...
Does that mean Netflix is operating IN Kenya and hence can be regulated?
Suppose I stream Fifty Shades of Grey, which is currently banned in Kenya by KFCB, from a Netflix Server hosted in the US, does that require regulation?
Rgds
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Ngigi
Netflix is available in Kenya from yesterday.
Good luck to KFCB trying to regulate them.
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On 8 Jan 2016, at 7:07 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi Listers,
I just came across this
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Netflix-should-be-subjecte...
< http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Netflix-should-be-subjecte...
Looks like the Kenya Film Classification Board (KFCB) wants to regulate Netflix.
I then wonder, is Netflix IN Kenya or is it allowing Kenyans to access it?
When I think of DSTV, which I think is broadcast from SA, every film classification is as per the classification in SA. I don't think I have ever seen a film that implies a classification criteria that involves KFCB.
-- Regards,
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But what is special about Netflix? What about youtube? Vimeo? Khan Academy and the zillion of other content delivery portals? On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 12:15 PM, Peter Wakaba via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
On the subject of regulation, the board has a mandate by implication to regulate 'all' visual content aired in kenya via whatever media so long as its for public consumption, i.e, mass media.
On the subject of understanding, the initial meeting will most likely to establish jurisdiction, understanding of formats, roles and mode of self regulation already in place.
On the subject of DSTV, the initial partnership with KBC at inception should have covered assimilation of ratings and standards of broadcast.
my 2 cents.
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
+1 Muchiri Nyaggah on adding local content to offerings by NetFlix.
You know what, KFCB's mandate becomes nil if streaming becomes mainstream and they cannot regulate that content. When that day comes, we will ask for KFCB to be disbanded because they will have become irrelevant. That means they can only regulate local content, and what comes through traditional media (radio, TV, and DVD sales), but they cannot regulate streaming which will bypass all those other platforms in the coming years. KFCB here is trying to remain relevant and push it's head above the water in the deep ocean that is the internet. Of course KFCB's interference on online businesses is now a censorship issue, making us look more like some countries in Easter Europe and Asia.
One eminent scholar was asking last week what will happen to our social values after allowing NetFlix in our borders. For example, our laws are very clear on issue of homosexuality and porn.
Very interesting debate. I don't envy the guys at KFCB.
So can we now expect meetings with YouTube, Vimeo etc to be on the cards in the coming months?
Meanwhile, I think this might be an opportunity for KFCB and its peers on the continent to lobby Netflix to accommodate local content…since they are in a boardroom and what not.
Muchiri
On 11 Jan 2016, at 8:23 AM, Ali Hussein via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote:
Fortunately for them Netflx has agreed to meet them. I understand they are meeting this week. Would be interesting how far both parties are willing to go to censor some content deemed undesirable for Kenyans.
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On 10 Jan 2016, at 4:34 PM, Grace Githaiga via kictanet <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
@Gichuki, I agree with you on the issue of understanding. I think KFCB needs to get a brief on how Netflix works, including exploring what local and international regimes exist for the management of online broadcasts.
Rgds GG
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 14:43:59 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Netflix to be regulated by KFCB in Kenya From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> CC: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
I think we have a big problem with Kenya Government and Agencies not understanding how cyber works. How can you regulate streaming? Can someone please train them or get younger guys who understand cyber to sit in their board meetings.
On 8 Jan 2016 20:32, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]
wrote: :-)
The more things change...
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On Jan 8, 2016 8:20 PM, "Ngigi Waithaka" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: :-) Thought so too...
And guess, who else has over 18+ free channels that are never regulated? Youtube, Vimeo, Hulu.... All these rely on self-regulation i.e Parents etc
And so, Netflix launches its goodies in Kenya this week *Wednesday* and on *Monday* coming week, they have a *date* with the regulator...
Quickest ever date with Kenyan bureaucracy.... Just how smooth can you be...! :-)
@Walu, Can you add *level* playing field for all content providers into that *list*
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 8:06 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: :-)
As far as I know DSTV is not 'regulated'. Besides, remember that KBC is a major stakeholder in DSTV..:-)
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On 8 Jan 2016, at 8:02 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Ali,
Any idea how DSTV is currently regulated? I can't seem to ever remember an instance where anything DSTV broadcasted was regulated by KFCB...
I am actually thinking we'll get another Equitel<->Safcom fight with
dominant player claiming that SIM Overlays are the "...current home of insecurity..." (Just incase Safcom would like to know; that was sooo lame)
In this instance, it's most likely going to be, "...Netflix is here to mess with our morals :-)..."
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:48 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Ngigi
Interesting question. My question to KFCB is:-
What makes them think they can regulate Netflix when they have been unable to Regulate torrents?
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On 8 Jan 2016, at 7:41 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Ali,
I am actually aware that you can now watch Netflix while IN Kenya without having to use those VPN accounts...
Does that mean Netflix is operating IN Kenya and hence can be regulated?
Suppose I stream Fifty Shades of Grey, which is currently banned in Kenya by KFCB, from a Netflix Server hosted in the US, does that require regulation?
Rgds
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Ngigi
Netflix is available in Kenya from yesterday.
Good luck to KFCB trying to regulate them.
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On 8 Jan 2016, at 7:07 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]
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Hi Listers,
I just came across this
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Netflix-should-be-subjecte...
< http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Netflix-should-be-subjecte...
Looks like the Kenya Film Classification Board (KFCB) wants to
regulate
Netflix.
I then wonder, is Netflix IN Kenya or is it allowing Kenyans to access it?
When I think of DSTV, which I think is broadcast from SA, every film classification is as per the classification in SA. I don't think I have ever seen a film that implies a classification criteria that involves KFCB.
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GG please add Mr Mutua to the group so [email protected] Media Council of Kenya get similar challenges when dealing with international media, who sometimes use their air content that relate to Kenya, but using their home country platforms to broadcast - in some cases their Kenya offices are not involved in the content generation and distribution, and when complaints come, we want to deal with them We have online radio which are not even registered by CA or MCK but broadcast in Kenya Challenges for regulators with the entry of online media players Victor On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Rad! via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
But what is special about Netflix? What about youtube? Vimeo? Khan Academy and the zillion of other content delivery portals?
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 12:15 PM, Peter Wakaba via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
On the subject of regulation, the board has a mandate by implication to regulate 'all' visual content aired in kenya via whatever media so long as its for public consumption, i.e, mass media.
On the subject of understanding, the initial meeting will most likely to establish jurisdiction, understanding of formats, roles and mode of self regulation already in place.
On the subject of DSTV, the initial partnership with KBC at inception should have covered assimilation of ratings and standards of broadcast.
my 2 cents.
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
+1 Muchiri Nyaggah on adding local content to offerings by NetFlix.
You know what, KFCB's mandate becomes nil if streaming becomes mainstream and they cannot regulate that content. When that day comes, we will ask for KFCB to be disbanded because they will have become irrelevant. That means they can only regulate local content, and what comes through traditional media (radio, TV, and DVD sales), but they cannot regulate streaming which will bypass all those other platforms in the coming years. KFCB here is trying to remain relevant and push it's head above the water in the deep ocean that is the internet. Of course KFCB's interference on online businesses is now a censorship issue, making us look more like some countries in Easter Europe and Asia.
One eminent scholar was asking last week what will happen to our social values after allowing NetFlix in our borders. For example, our laws are very clear on issue of homosexuality and porn.
Very interesting debate. I don't envy the guys at KFCB.
So can we now expect meetings with YouTube, Vimeo etc to be on the cards in the coming months?
Meanwhile, I think this might be an opportunity for KFCB and its peers on the continent to lobby Netflix to accommodate local content…since they are in a boardroom and what not.
Muchiri
On 11 Jan 2016, at 8:23 AM, Ali Hussein via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote:
Fortunately for them Netflx has agreed to meet them. I understand
meeting this week. Would be interesting how far both parties are willing to go to censor some content deemed undesirable for Kenyans.
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On 10 Jan 2016, at 4:34 PM, Grace Githaiga via kictanet <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]
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@Gichuki, I agree with you on the issue of understanding. I think KFCB needs to get a brief on how Netflix works, including exploring what local and international regimes exist for the management of online broadcasts.
Rgds GG
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 14:43:59 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Netflix to be regulated by KFCB in Kenya From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> CC: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
I think we have a big problem with Kenya Government and Agencies not understanding how cyber works. How can you regulate streaming? Can someone please train them or get younger guys who understand cyber to sit in their board meetings.
On 8 Jan 2016 20:32, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]
wrote: :-)
The more things change...
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On Jan 8, 2016 8:20 PM, "Ngigi Waithaka" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: :-) Thought so too...
And guess, who else has over 18+ free channels that are never regulated? Youtube, Vimeo, Hulu.... All these rely on self-regulation i.e Parents etc
And so, Netflix launches its goodies in Kenya this week *Wednesday* and on *Monday* coming week, they have a *date* with the regulator...
Quickest ever date with Kenyan bureaucracy.... Just how smooth can you be...! :-)
@Walu, Can you add *level* playing field for all content providers into that *list*
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 8:06 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: :-)
As far as I know DSTV is not 'regulated'. Besides, remember that KBC is a major stakeholder in DSTV..:-)
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On 8 Jan 2016, at 8:02 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Ali,
Any idea how DSTV is currently regulated? I can't seem to ever remember an instance where anything DSTV broadcasted was regulated by KFCB...
I am actually thinking we'll get another Equitel<->Safcom fight with
dominant player claiming that SIM Overlays are the "...current home of insecurity..." (Just incase Safcom would like to know; that was sooo lame)
In this instance, it's most likely going to be, "...Netflix is here to mess with our morals :-)..."
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:48 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Ngigi
Interesting question. My question to KFCB is:-
What makes them think they can regulate Netflix when they have been unable to Regulate torrents?
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On 8 Jan 2016, at 7:41 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Ali,
I am actually aware that you can now watch Netflix while IN Kenya without having to use those VPN accounts...
Does that mean Netflix is operating IN Kenya and hence can be regulated?
Suppose I stream Fifty Shades of Grey, which is currently banned in Kenya by KFCB, from a Netflix Server hosted in the US, does that require regulation?
Rgds
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Ngigi
Netflix is available in Kenya from yesterday.
Good luck to KFCB trying to regulate them.
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On 8 Jan 2016, at 7:07 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]
wrote:
Hi Listers,
I just came across this
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Netflix-should-be-subjecte...
< http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Netflix-should-be-subjecte...
Looks like the Kenya Film Classification Board (KFCB) wants to
regulate
Netflix.
I then wonder, is Netflix IN Kenya or is it allowing Kenyans to access it?
When I think of DSTV, which I think is broadcast from SA, every film classification is as per the classification in SA. I don't think I have ever seen a film that implies a classification criteria that involves KFCB.
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Dear All, Good debate. But we cannot regulate what doesn’t exist. We cannot fear the unknown. We cannot stifle innovation. Geographical boundaries on broadcast legislation can still by enforced either through diplomacy (ITU and bilateral relations) or otherwise for uncooperative and intruder international broadcasters. This should by no means be a scare to CA and or KFCB which must already have crafted draft ways and means of dealing with offshore/online broadcasters. A credible broadcaster should naturally cooperate. Kind regards Jack Juma www.cofek.co.ke <http://www.cofek.co.ke> From: kictanet [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Victor bwire via kictanet Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 1:18 PM To: The Consumers Federation of Kenya (Cofek) <[email protected]> Cc: Victor bwire <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Netflix to be regulated by KFCB in Kenya GG please add Mr Mutua to the group so <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] Media Council of Kenya get similar challenges when dealing with international media, who sometimes use their air content that relate to Kenya, but using their home country platforms to broadcast - in some cases their Kenya offices are not involved in the content generation and distribution, and when complaints come, we want to deal with them We have online radio which are not even registered by CA or MCK but broadcast in Kenya Challenges for regulators with the entry of online media players Victor On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Rad! via kictanet <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: But what is special about Netflix? What about youtube? Vimeo? Khan Academy and the zillion of other content delivery portals? On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 12:15 PM, Peter Wakaba via kictanet <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: On the subject of regulation, the board has a mandate by implication to regulate 'all' visual content aired in kenya via whatever media so long as its for public consumption, i.e, mass media. On the subject of understanding, the initial meeting will most likely to establish jurisdiction, understanding of formats, roles and mode of self regulation already in place. On the subject of DSTV, the initial partnership with KBC at inception should have covered assimilation of ratings and standards of broadcast. my 2 cents. On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: +1 Muchiri Nyaggah on adding local content to offerings by NetFlix. You know what, KFCB's mandate becomes nil if streaming becomes mainstream and they cannot regulate that content. When that day comes, we will ask for KFCB to be disbanded because they will have become irrelevant. That means they can only regulate local content, and what comes through traditional media (radio, TV, and DVD sales), but they cannot regulate streaming which will bypass all those other platforms in the coming years. KFCB here is trying to remain relevant and push it's head above the water in the deep ocean that is the internet. Of course KFCB's interference on online businesses is now a censorship issue, making us look more like some countries in Easter Europe and Asia. One eminent scholar was asking last week what will happen to our social values after allowing NetFlix in our borders. For example, our laws are very clear on issue of homosexuality and porn. Very interesting debate. I don't envy the guys at KFCB. On 11/01/2016, Muchiri Nyaggah via kictanet <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
So can we now expect meetings with YouTube, Vimeo etc to be on the cards in the coming months?
Meanwhile, I think this might be an opportunity for KFCB and its peers on the continent to lobby Netflix to accommodate local content…since they are in a boardroom and what not.
Muchiri
On 11 Jan 2016, at 8:23 AM, Ali Hussein via kictanet <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
Fortunately for them Netflx has agreed to meet them. I understand they are meeting this week. Would be interesting how far both parties are willing to go to censor some content deemed undesirable for Kenyans.
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On 10 Jan 2016, at 4:34 PM, Grace Githaiga via kictanet <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> wrote:
@Gichuki, I agree with you on the issue of understanding. I think KFCB needs to get a brief on how Netflix works, including exploring what local and international regimes exist for the management of online broadcasts.
Rgds GG
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 14:43:59 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Netflix to be regulated by KFCB in Kenya From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > CC: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >
I think we have a big problem with Kenya Government and Agencies not understanding how cyber works. How can you regulate streaming? Can someone please train them or get younger guys who understand cyber to sit in their board meetings.
On 8 Jan 2016 20:32, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> wrote: :-)
The more things change...
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On Jan 8, 2016 8:20 PM, "Ngigi Waithaka" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> wrote: :-) Thought so too...
And guess, who else has over 18+ free channels that are never regulated? Youtube, Vimeo, Hulu.... All these rely on self-regulation i.e Parents etc
And so, Netflix launches its goodies in Kenya this week *Wednesday* and on *Monday* coming week, they have a *date* with the regulator...
Quickest ever date with Kenyan bureaucracy.... Just how smooth can you be...! :-)
@Walu, Can you add *level* playing field for all content providers into that *list*
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 8:06 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> wrote: :-)
As far as I know DSTV is not 'regulated'. Besides, remember that KBC is a major stakeholder in DSTV..:-)
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On 8 Jan 2016, at 8:02 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> wrote:
Ali,
Any idea how DSTV is currently regulated? I can't seem to ever remember an instance where anything DSTV broadcasted was regulated by KFCB...
I am actually thinking we'll get another Equitel<->Safcom fight with the dominant player claiming that SIM Overlays are the "...current home of insecurity..." (Just incase Safcom would like to know; that was sooo lame)
In this instance, it's most likely going to be, "...Netflix is here to mess with our morals :-)..."
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:48 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> wrote: Ngigi
Interesting question. My question to KFCB is:-
What makes them think they can regulate Netflix when they have been unable to Regulate torrents?
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On 8 Jan 2016, at 7:41 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> wrote:
Ali,
I am actually aware that you can now watch Netflix while IN Kenya without having to use those VPN accounts...
Does that mean Netflix is operating IN Kenya and hence can be regulated?
Suppose I stream Fifty Shades of Grey, which is currently banned in Kenya by KFCB, from a Netflix Server hosted in the US, does that require regulation?
Rgds
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> wrote: Ngigi
Netflix is available in Kenya from yesterday.
Good luck to KFCB trying to regulate them.
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On 8 Jan 2016, at 7:07 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> wrote:
Hi Listers,
I just came across this http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Netflix-should-be-subjecte... <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Netflix-should-be-subjected-to-local-rating-standards/-/539550/3025624/-/br9ipaz/-/index.html>
Looks like the Kenya Film Classification Board (KFCB) wants to regulate Netflix.
I then wonder, is Netflix IN Kenya or is it allowing Kenyans to access it?
When I think of DSTV, which I think is broadcast from SA, every film classification is as per the classification in SA. I don't think I have ever seen a film that implies a classification criteria that involves KFCB.
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On Jan 11, 2016 11:55 AM, "James Wamathai via kictanet" < [email protected]> wrote:
I don't think they know how Netflix works and in any case the service is
compliant in that it gives the user the ability to create a kids account where there will only be kids content.
Wamaitha, No. The service is not compliant becase the law specifically classifies content that all of us should not access. Some Content that is acceptable by US standards is not acceptable by Kenyan standards.
But even if we were talk regulation, I don't see how they would do that. Interested to see how this plays out.
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Netflix would simply ask KFCB to give them a list of content to block, and you would not be able to access that content using a Kenyan account. This is where VPN services rake in the money. Regards
Mwendwa, Does the law classify content based on where it is played, viewed or both? Can a Kenyan in Kenya access adult sites based in US? Can an American in Kenya access adult sites based in the US? Can a Kenyan in Kenya access adult sites in Kenya Can an American in Kenya access adult sites in Kenya? Before we talk regulation, these have to be very clearly defined and understood across the board. Also, KFSB rushing to regulate Netflix is like banning Uganda FM stations in Busia... Is it practical? Short of mass surveillance and content blocking at our Internet Gateways, something that puts us in the league of countries like North Korea & Saudi Arabia, how would this work in practice? IMO, any content (...The following movie is rated Adults Only)...will always be available for those who are really interested in getting it. The only way we could regulate ourselves is from our Society Norms not by policing... The only area that I see as a possible regulation ground is where the public is involved... e.g Cinemas, Music Concerts but this should not extend to our houses. Rgds On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 5:06 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
On Jan 11, 2016 11:55 AM, "James Wamathai via kictanet" < [email protected]> wrote:
I don't think they know how Netflix works and in any case the service is
compliant in that it gives the user the ability to create a kids account where there will only be kids content.
Wamaitha, No. The service is not compliant becase the law specifically classifies content that all of us should not access. Some Content that is acceptable by US standards is not acceptable by Kenyan standards.
But even if we were talk regulation, I don't see how they would do that. Interested to see how this plays out.
-----
Netflix would simply ask KFCB to give them a list of content to block, and you would not be able to access that content using a Kenyan account. This is where VPN services rake in the money.
Regards
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@Ngigi, You have just pre-empted my tomorrows article/blog. Now folks may not have to read it :-( walu. From: Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: Ngigi Waithaka <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Netflix to be regulated by KFCB in Kenya Mwendwa, Does the law classify content based on where it is played, viewed or both? Can a Kenyan in Kenya access adult sites based in US?Can an American in Kenya access adult sites based in the US?Can a Kenyan in Kenya access adult sites in KenyaCan an American in Kenya access adult sites in Kenya? Before we talk regulation, these have to be very clearly defined and understood across the board. Also, KFSB rushing to regulate Netflix is like banning Uganda FM stations in Busia... Is it practical? Short of mass surveillance and content blocking at our Internet Gateways, something that puts us in the league of countries like North Korea & Saudi Arabia, how would this work in practice? IMO, any content (...The following movie is rated Adults Only)...will always be available for those who are really interested in getting it. The only way we could regulate ourselves is from our Society Norms not by policing... The only area that I see as a possible regulation ground is where the public is involved... e.g Cinemas, Music Concerts but this should not extend to our houses. Rgds On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 5:06 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote: On Jan 11, 2016 11:55 AM, "James Wamathai via kictanet" <[email protected]> wrote:
I don't think they know how Netflix works and in any case the service is compliant in that it gives the user the ability to create a kids account where there will only be kids content. Wamaitha, No. The service is not compliant becase the law specifically classifies content that all of us should not access. Some Content that is acceptable by US standards is not acceptable by Kenyan standards.> But even if we were talk regulation, I don't see how they would do that. Interested to see how this plays out.
-----Netflix would simply ask KFCB to give them a list of content to block, and you would not be able to access that content using a Kenyan account. This is where VPN services rake in the money.Regards
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@Walu, You know how it is with great ..... :-) See you tomorrow.... On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 7:51 PM, Walubengo J <[email protected]> wrote:
@Ngigi,
You have just pre-empted my tomorrows article/blog. Now folks may not have to read it :-(
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <[email protected]> *To:* [email protected] *Cc:* Ngigi Waithaka <[email protected]> *Sent:* Monday, January 11, 2016 7:35 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Netflix to be regulated by KFCB in Kenya
Mwendwa,
Does the law classify content based on where it is played, viewed or both?
Can a Kenyan in Kenya access adult sites based in US? Can an American in Kenya access adult sites based in the US? Can a Kenyan in Kenya access adult sites in Kenya Can an American in Kenya access adult sites in Kenya?
Before we talk regulation, these have to be very clearly defined and understood across the board.
Also, KFSB rushing to regulate Netflix is like banning Uganda FM stations in Busia... Is it practical?
Short of mass surveillance and content blocking at our Internet Gateways, something that puts us in the league of countries like North Korea & Saudi Arabia, how would this work in practice?
IMO, any content (...The following movie is rated Adults Only)...will always be available for those who are really interested in getting it. The only way we could regulate ourselves is from our Society Norms not by policing...
The only area that I see as a possible regulation ground is where the public is involved... e.g Cinemas, Music Concerts but this should not extend to our houses.
Rgds
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 5:06 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
On Jan 11, 2016 11:55 AM, "James Wamathai via kictanet" < [email protected]> wrote:
I don't think they know how Netflix works and in any case the service is
compliant in that it gives the user the ability to create a kids account where there will only be kids content.
Wamaitha, No. The service is not compliant becase the law specifically classifies content that all of us should not access. Some Content that is acceptable by US standards is not acceptable by Kenyan standards.
But even if we were talk regulation, I don't see how they would do that. Interested to see how this plays out.
----- Netflix would simply ask KFCB to give them a list of content to block, and you would not be able to access that content using a Kenyan account. This is where VPN services rake in the money. Regards
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And I guess, wisdom prevails (...CA disagrees on regulating Netflix...) http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Regulators-clash-over-plan... On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 8:08 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <[email protected]> wrote:
@Walu,
You know how it is with great ..... :-)
See you tomorrow....
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 7:51 PM, Walubengo J <[email protected]> wrote:
@Ngigi,
You have just pre-empted my tomorrows article/blog. Now folks may not have to read it :-(
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <[email protected]> *To:* [email protected] *Cc:* Ngigi Waithaka <[email protected]> *Sent:* Monday, January 11, 2016 7:35 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Netflix to be regulated by KFCB in Kenya
Mwendwa,
Does the law classify content based on where it is played, viewed or both?
Can a Kenyan in Kenya access adult sites based in US? Can an American in Kenya access adult sites based in the US? Can a Kenyan in Kenya access adult sites in Kenya Can an American in Kenya access adult sites in Kenya?
Before we talk regulation, these have to be very clearly defined and understood across the board.
Also, KFSB rushing to regulate Netflix is like banning Uganda FM stations in Busia... Is it practical?
Short of mass surveillance and content blocking at our Internet Gateways, something that puts us in the league of countries like North Korea & Saudi Arabia, how would this work in practice?
IMO, any content (...The following movie is rated Adults Only)...will always be available for those who are really interested in getting it. The only way we could regulate ourselves is from our Society Norms not by policing...
The only area that I see as a possible regulation ground is where the public is involved... e.g Cinemas, Music Concerts but this should not extend to our houses.
Rgds
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 5:06 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
On Jan 11, 2016 11:55 AM, "James Wamathai via kictanet" < [email protected]> wrote:
I don't think they know how Netflix works and in any case the service
is compliant in that it gives the user the ability to create a kids account where there will only be kids content.
But even if we were talk regulation, I don't see how they would do
Wamaitha, No. The service is not compliant becase the law specifically classifies content that all of us should not access. Some Content that is acceptable by US standards is not acceptable by Kenyan standards. that. Interested to see how this plays out.
-----
Netflix would simply ask KFCB to give them a list of content to block, and you would not be able to access that content using a Kenyan account. This is where VPN services rake in the money. Regards
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"Ezekiel Mutua, the KFCB chief executive, insisted that Kenya’s membership of the International Telecommunications Union (ITU) gives it the mandate to fully regulate and govern its cyberspace, making Netflix no exception." Really? This shows that the regulator was not consulted on the practicality of this matter. Like I said, KFCB needs a brief on the ABC of streaming. Thanks Ngigi for sharing. RgdsGG Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 23:11:12 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Netflix to be regulated by KFCB in Kenya From: [email protected] CC: [email protected]; [email protected] To: [email protected] And I guess, wisdom prevails (...CA disagrees on regulating Netflix...) http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Regulators-clash-over-plan... On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 8:08 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <[email protected]> wrote: @Walu, You know how it is with great ..... :-) See you tomorrow.... On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 7:51 PM, Walubengo J <[email protected]> wrote: @Ngigi, You have just pre-empted my tomorrows article/blog. Now folks may not have to read it :-( walu. From: Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: Ngigi Waithaka <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Netflix to be regulated by KFCB in Kenya Mwendwa,Does the law classify content based on where it is played, viewed or both?Can a Kenyan in Kenya access adult sites based in US?Can an American in Kenya access adult sites based in the US?Can a Kenyan in Kenya access adult sites in KenyaCan an American in Kenya access adult sites in Kenya?Before we talk regulation, these have to be very clearly defined and understood across the board.Also, KFSB rushing to regulate Netflix is like banning Uganda FM stations in Busia... Is it practical?Short of mass surveillance and content blocking at our Internet Gateways, something that puts us in the league of countries like North Korea & Saudi Arabia, how would this work in practice?IMO, any content (...The following movie is rated Adults Only)...will always be available for those who are really interested in getting it. The only way we could regulate ourselves is from our Society Norms not by policing...The only area that I see as a possible regulation ground is where the public is involved... e.g Cinemas, Music Concerts but this should not extend to our houses.RgdsOn Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 5:06 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote:On Jan 11, 2016 11:55 AM, "James Wamathai via kictanet" <[email protected]> wrote:
I don't think they know how Netflix works and in any case the service is compliant in that it gives the user the ability to create a kids account where there will only be kids content.
Wamaitha, No. The service is not compliant becase the law specifically classifies content that all of us should not access. Some Content that is acceptable by US standards is not acceptable by Kenyan standards.
But even if we were talk regulation, I don't see how they would do that. Interested to see how this plays out.
----- Netflix would simply ask KFCB to give them a list of content to block, and you would not be able to access that content using a Kenyan account. This is where VPN services rake in the money. Regards
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On this one I will say that with the new CS of ICT, Joe Mucheru , we are in good hands:) I very much look forward to him making everyone understand the dynamics in this industry and it is not easy to regulate the Internet content. Hoping that he will help KFCB understand that it is not a Movie that is being played in a movie house but on the Internet....there is a BIG difference. In regards to content regulation we need a holistic policy not just Netflix to help us protect our children and citizens from the negative effects of the Internet. -- Tej Bedi On 12 January 2016 at 14:10, Grace Githaiga via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
"Ezekiel Mutua, the KFCB chief executive, insisted that Kenya’s membership of the International Telecommunications Union (ITU) gives it the mandate to fully regulate and govern its cyberspace, making Netflix no exception."
Really? This shows that the regulator was not consulted on the practicality of this matter. Like I said, KFCB needs a brief on the ABC of streaming.
Thanks Ngigi for sharing.
Rgds GG
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 23:11:12 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Netflix to be regulated by KFCB in Kenya From: [email protected] CC: [email protected]; [email protected] To: [email protected]
And I guess, wisdom prevails (...CA disagrees on regulating Netflix...)
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Regulators-clash-over-plan...
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 8:08 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <[email protected]> wrote:
@Walu,
You know how it is with great ..... :-)
See you tomorrow....
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 7:51 PM, Walubengo J <[email protected]> wrote:
@Ngigi,
You have just pre-empted my tomorrows article/blog. Now folks may not have to read it :-(
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <[email protected]> *To:* [email protected] *Cc:* Ngigi Waithaka <[email protected]> *Sent:* Monday, January 11, 2016 7:35 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Netflix to be regulated by KFCB in Kenya
Mwendwa,
Does the law classify content based on where it is played, viewed or both?
Can a Kenyan in Kenya access adult sites based in US? Can an American in Kenya access adult sites based in the US? Can a Kenyan in Kenya access adult sites in Kenya Can an American in Kenya access adult sites in Kenya?
Before we talk regulation, these have to be very clearly defined and understood across the board.
Also, KFSB rushing to regulate Netflix is like banning Uganda FM stations in Busia... Is it practical?
Short of mass surveillance and content blocking at our Internet Gateways, something that puts us in the league of countries like North Korea & Saudi Arabia, how would this work in practice?
IMO, any content (...The following movie is rated Adults Only)...will always be available for those who are really interested in getting it. The only way we could regulate ourselves is from our Society Norms not by policing...
The only area that I see as a possible regulation ground is where the public is involved... e.g Cinemas, Music Concerts but this should not extend to our houses.
Rgds
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 5:06 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
On Jan 11, 2016 11:55 AM, "James Wamathai via kictanet" < [email protected]> wrote:
I don't think they know how Netflix works and in any case the service is
compliant in that it gives the user the ability to create a kids account where there will only be kids content.
Wamaitha, No. The service is not compliant becase the law specifically classifies content that all of us should not access. Some Content that is acceptable by US standards is not acceptable by Kenyan standards.
But even if we were talk regulation, I don't see how they would do that. Interested to see how this plays out.
----- Netflix would simply ask KFCB to give them a list of content to block, and you would not be able to access that content using a Kenyan account. This is where VPN services rake in the money. Regards
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@Ngigi Here is the piece... Netflix is not for the ‘Internet bundles’ community | | | | | | | | | | | Netflix is not for the ‘Internet bundles’ communityWhy DStv, Zuku and the mobile providers can sit pretty and welcome Netflix into the market. | | | | View on www.nation.co.ke | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | If you were in my class, I would have said you stole my marking scheme and have you investigated :-) walu. From: Ngigi Waithaka <[email protected]> To: Walubengo J <[email protected]> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Netflix to be regulated by KFCB in Kenya @Walu, You know how it is with great ..... :-) See you tomorrow.... On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 7:51 PM, Walubengo J <[email protected]> wrote: @Ngigi, You have just pre-empted my tomorrows article/blog. Now folks may not have to read it :-( walu. From: Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: Ngigi Waithaka <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Netflix to be regulated by KFCB in Kenya Mwendwa, Does the law classify content based on where it is played, viewed or both? Can a Kenyan in Kenya access adult sites based in US?Can an American in Kenya access adult sites based in the US?Can a Kenyan in Kenya access adult sites in KenyaCan an American in Kenya access adult sites in Kenya? Before we talk regulation, these have to be very clearly defined and understood across the board. Also, KFSB rushing to regulate Netflix is like banning Uganda FM stations in Busia... Is it practical? Short of mass surveillance and content blocking at our Internet Gateways, something that puts us in the league of countries like North Korea & Saudi Arabia, how would this work in practice? IMO, any content (...The following movie is rated Adults Only)...will always be available for those who are really interested in getting it. The only way we could regulate ourselves is from our Society Norms not by policing... The only area that I see as a possible regulation ground is where the public is involved... e.g Cinemas, Music Concerts but this should not extend to our houses. Rgds On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 5:06 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote: On Jan 11, 2016 11:55 AM, "James Wamathai via kictanet" <[email protected]> wrote:
I don't think they know how Netflix works and in any case the service is compliant in that it gives the user the ability to create a kids account where there will only be kids content. Wamaitha, No. The service is not compliant becase the law specifically classifies content that all of us should not access. Some Content that is acceptable by US standards is not acceptable by Kenyan standards.> But even if we were talk regulation, I don't see how they would do that. Interested to see how this plays out.
-----Netflix would simply ask KFCB to give them a list of content to block, and you would not be able to access that content using a Kenyan account. This is where VPN services rake in the money.Regards
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#NetflixInKenya - Not As Bleak As Others Would Have Us Believe http://www.iafrikan.com/2016/01/14/thoughts-on-netflix-in-kenya/ Just thought I'd add my two cents ☺ Regards, Sidney Touched not typed On 12 Jan 2016 18:15, "Walubengo J via kictanet" < [email protected]> wrote:
@Ngigi
Here is the piece...
Netflix is not for the ‘Internet bundles’ community <http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/3030306/-/loao8hz/-/index.html>
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Netflix is not for the ‘Internet bundles’ community <http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/3030306/-/loao8hz/-/index.html> Why DStv, Zuku and the mobile providers can sit pretty and welcome Netflix into the market. View on www.nation.co.ke <http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/3030306/-/loao8hz/-/index.html> Preview by Yahoo
If you were in my class, I would have said you stole my marking scheme and have you investigated :-)
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* Ngigi Waithaka <[email protected]> *To:* Walubengo J <[email protected]> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[email protected]> *Sent:* Monday, January 11, 2016 8:08 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Netflix to be regulated by KFCB in Kenya
@Walu,
You know how it is with great ..... :-)
See you tomorrow....
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 7:51 PM, Walubengo J <[email protected]> wrote:
@Ngigi,
You have just pre-empted my tomorrows article/blog. Now folks may not have to read it :-(
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <[email protected]> *To:* [email protected] *Cc:* Ngigi Waithaka <[email protected]> *Sent:* Monday, January 11, 2016 7:35 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Netflix to be regulated by KFCB in Kenya
Mwendwa,
Does the law classify content based on where it is played, viewed or both?
Can a Kenyan in Kenya access adult sites based in US? Can an American in Kenya access adult sites based in the US? Can a Kenyan in Kenya access adult sites in Kenya Can an American in Kenya access adult sites in Kenya?
Before we talk regulation, these have to be very clearly defined and understood across the board.
Also, KFSB rushing to regulate Netflix is like banning Uganda FM stations in Busia... Is it practical?
Short of mass surveillance and content blocking at our Internet Gateways, something that puts us in the league of countries like North Korea & Saudi Arabia, how would this work in practice?
IMO, any content (...The following movie is rated Adults Only)...will always be available for those who are really interested in getting it. The only way we could regulate ourselves is from our Society Norms not by policing...
The only area that I see as a possible regulation ground is where the public is involved... e.g Cinemas, Music Concerts but this should not extend to our houses.
Rgds
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 5:06 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
On Jan 11, 2016 11:55 AM, "James Wamathai via kictanet" < [email protected]> wrote:
I don't think they know how Netflix works and in any case the service is
compliant in that it gives the user the ability to create a kids account where there will only be kids content.
Wamaitha, No. The service is not compliant becase the law specifically classifies content that all of us should not access. Some Content that is acceptable by US standards is not acceptable by Kenyan standards.
But even if we were talk regulation, I don't see how they would do that. Interested to see how this plays out.
----- Netflix would simply ask KFCB to give them a list of content to block, and you would not be able to access that content using a Kenyan account. This is where VPN services rake in the money. Regards
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Ngigi Well put. I'm writing this with a smile because even if they wanted to they just simply don't have the capacity to stop innovating Kenyans accessing any content available online. Short of North Korean style firewalls and censorship. By the way just so that we know lots of Kenyans were already accessing Netflix by simply cheating the IP Readers that they were in the US. This formal announcement was just for those of us who were not savvy enough to know about it. KFCB is just trying to make itself relevant in a digital world they just simply don't comprehend. Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad
On 11 Jan 2016, at 7:35 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote:
Mwendwa,
Does the law classify content based on where it is played, viewed or both?
Can a Kenyan in Kenya access adult sites based in US? Can an American in Kenya access adult sites based in the US? Can a Kenyan in Kenya access adult sites in Kenya Can an American in Kenya access adult sites in Kenya?
Before we talk regulation, these have to be very clearly defined and understood across the board.
Also, KFSB rushing to regulate Netflix is like banning Uganda FM stations in Busia... Is it practical?
Short of mass surveillance and content blocking at our Internet Gateways, something that puts us in the league of countries like North Korea & Saudi Arabia, how would this work in practice?
IMO, any content (...The following movie is rated Adults Only)...will always be available for those who are really interested in getting it. The only way we could regulate ourselves is from our Society Norms not by policing...
The only area that I see as a possible regulation ground is where the public is involved... e.g Cinemas, Music Concerts but this should not extend to our houses.
Rgds
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 5:06 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote: On Jan 11, 2016 11:55 AM, "James Wamathai via kictanet" <[email protected]> wrote:
I don't think they know how Netflix works and in any case the service is compliant in that it gives the user the ability to create a kids account where there will only be kids content.
Wamaitha, No. The service is not compliant becase the law specifically classifies content that all of us should not access. Some Content that is acceptable by US standards is not acceptable by Kenyan standards.
But even if we were talk regulation, I don't see how they would do that. Interested to see how this plays out.
-----
Netflix would simply ask KFCB to give them a list of content to block, and you would not be able to access that content using a Kenyan account. This is where VPN services rake in the money.
Regards
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It's a pipe dream - how do you regulate the internet? Netflix is simply another streaming service - like YouTube... Who advises them? On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 3:18 AM, Ali Hussein via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Ngigi
Well put. I'm writing this with a smile because even if they wanted to they just simply don't have the capacity to stop innovating Kenyans accessing any content available online. Short of North Korean style firewalls and censorship.
By the way just so that we know lots of Kenyans were already accessing Netflix by simply cheating the IP Readers that they were in the US. This formal announcement was just for those of us who were not savvy enough to know about it.
KFCB is just trying to make itself relevant in a digital world they just simply don't comprehend.
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On 11 Jan 2016, at 7:35 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Mwendwa,
Does the law classify content based on where it is played, viewed or both?
Can a Kenyan in Kenya access adult sites based in US? Can an American in Kenya access adult sites based in the US? Can a Kenyan in Kenya access adult sites in Kenya Can an American in Kenya access adult sites in Kenya?
Before we talk regulation, these have to be very clearly defined and understood across the board.
Also, KFSB rushing to regulate Netflix is like banning Uganda FM stations in Busia... Is it practical?
Short of mass surveillance and content blocking at our Internet Gateways, something that puts us in the league of countries like North Korea & Saudi Arabia, how would this work in practice?
IMO, any content (...The following movie is rated Adults Only)...will always be available for those who are really interested in getting it. The only way we could regulate ourselves is from our Society Norms not by policing...
The only area that I see as a possible regulation ground is where the public is involved... e.g Cinemas, Music Concerts but this should not extend to our houses.
Rgds
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 5:06 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
On Jan 11, 2016 11:55 AM, "James Wamathai via kictanet" < [email protected]> wrote:
I don't think they know how Netflix works and in any case the service
is compliant in that it gives the user the ability to create a kids account where there will only be kids content.
Wamaitha, No. The service is not compliant becase the law specifically classifies content that all of us should not access. Some Content that is acceptable by US standards is not acceptable by Kenyan standards.
But even if we were talk regulation, I don't see how they would do that. Interested to see how this plays out.
-----
Netflix would simply ask KFCB to give them a list of content to block, and you would not be able to access that content using a Kenyan account. This is where VPN services rake in the money.
Regards
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It's a pipe dream - how do you regulate the internet? Netflix is simply another streaming service - like YouTube...
This is the first thing that came to mind when I heard about the regulation. There are already dozens of sites where you can easily stream _film(s)_ for free. I wonder how Netflix is different in their eyes, considering in this case you also have to eventually pay a subscription fee. Their view is pointless but I doubt the folks at KFCB will dare admit it publicly now that they have declared their stand. -- Regards, David.
Sawa Victor.Adding him shortly. Happy new year. Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 13:17:40 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Netflix to be regulated by KFCB in Kenya From: [email protected] CC: [email protected] To: [email protected] GG please add Mr Mutua to the group so [email protected] Media Council of Kenya get similar challenges when dealing with international media, who sometimes use their air content that relate to Kenya, but using their home country platforms to broadcast - in some cases their Kenya offices are not involved in the content generation and distribution, and when complaints come, we want to deal with them We have online radio which are not even registered by CA or MCK but broadcast in Kenya Challenges for regulators with the entry of online media players Victor On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Rad! via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote: But what is special about Netflix? What about youtube? Vimeo? Khan Academy and the zillion of other content delivery portals? On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 12:15 PM, Peter Wakaba via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote: On the subject of regulation, the board has a mandate by implication to regulate 'all' visual content aired in kenya via whatever media so long as its for public consumption, i.e, mass media. On the subject of understanding, the initial meeting will most likely to establish jurisdiction, understanding of formats, roles and mode of self regulation already in place. On the subject of DSTV, the initial partnership with KBC at inception should have covered assimilation of ratings and standards of broadcast. my 2 cents. On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote: +1 Muchiri Nyaggah on adding local content to offerings by NetFlix. You know what, KFCB's mandate becomes nil if streaming becomes mainstream and they cannot regulate that content. When that day comes, we will ask for KFCB to be disbanded because they will have become irrelevant. That means they can only regulate local content, and what comes through traditional media (radio, TV, and DVD sales), but they cannot regulate streaming which will bypass all those other platforms in the coming years. KFCB here is trying to remain relevant and push it's head above the water in the deep ocean that is the internet. Of course KFCB's interference on online businesses is now a censorship issue, making us look more like some countries in Easter Europe and Asia. One eminent scholar was asking last week what will happen to our social values after allowing NetFlix in our borders. For example, our laws are very clear on issue of homosexuality and porn. Very interesting debate. I don't envy the guys at KFCB. On 11/01/2016, Muchiri Nyaggah via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote:
So can we now expect meetings with YouTube, Vimeo etc to be on the cards in
the coming months?
Meanwhile, I think this might be an opportunity for KFCB and its peers on
the continent to lobby Netflix to accommodate local content…since they are
in a boardroom and what not.
Muchiri
On 11 Jan 2016, at 8:23 AM, Ali Hussein via kictanet
<[email protected]> wrote:
Fortunately for them Netflx has agreed to meet them. I understand they are
meeting this week. Would be interesting how far both parties are willing
to go to censor some content deemed undesirable for Kenyans.
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On 10 Jan 2016, at 4:34 PM, Grace Githaiga via kictanet
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
@Gichuki,
I agree with you on the issue of understanding. I think KFCB needs to get
a brief on how Netflix works, including exploring what local and
international regimes exist for the management of online broadcasts.
Rgds
GG
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 14:43:59 +0300
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Netflix to be regulated by KFCB in Kenya
From: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
CC: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
I think we have a big problem with Kenya Government and Agencies not
understanding how cyber works. How can you regulate streaming? Can
someone please train them or get younger guys who understand cyber to sit
in their board meetings.
On 8 Jan 2016 20:32, "Ali Hussein via kictanet"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
:-)
The more things change...
Ali Hussein
Tel: +254 713 601113
On Jan 8, 2016 8:20 PM, "Ngigi Waithaka" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
:-) Thought so too...
And guess, who else has over 18+ free channels that are never regulated?
Youtube, Vimeo, Hulu.... All these rely on self-regulation i.e Parents
etc
And so, Netflix launches its goodies in Kenya this week *Wednesday* and
on *Monday* coming week, they have a *date* with the regulator...
Quickest ever date with Kenyan bureaucracy.... Just how smooth can you
be...! :-)
@Walu,
Can you add *level* playing field for all content providers into that
*list*
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 8:06 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
:-)
As far as I know DSTV is not 'regulated'. Besides, remember that KBC is a
major stakeholder in DSTV..:-)
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On 8 Jan 2016, at 8:02 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Ali,
Any idea how DSTV is currently regulated? I can't seem to ever remember
an instance where anything DSTV broadcasted was regulated by KFCB...
I am actually thinking we'll get another Equitel<->Safcom fight with the
dominant player claiming that SIM Overlays are the "...current home of
insecurity..." (Just incase Safcom would like to know; that was sooo
lame)
In this instance, it's most likely going to be, "...Netflix is here to
mess with our morals :-)..."
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:48 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Ngigi
Interesting question. My question to KFCB is:-
What makes them think they can regulate Netflix when they have been
unable to Regulate torrents?
Ali Hussein
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On 8 Jan 2016, at 7:41 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <[email protected]
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Ali,
I am actually aware that you can now watch Netflix while IN Kenya without
having to use those VPN accounts...
Does that mean Netflix is operating IN Kenya and hence can be regulated?
Suppose I stream Fifty Shades of Grey, which is currently banned in Kenya
by KFCB, from a Netflix Server hosted in the US, does that require
regulation?
Rgds
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected]
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Ngigi
Netflix is available in Kenya from yesterday.
Good luck to KFCB trying to regulate them.
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On 8 Jan 2016, at 7:07 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet
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Hi Listers,
I just came across this
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Netflix-should-be-subjecte...
Looks like the Kenya Film Classification Board (KFCB) wants to regulate
Netflix.
I then wonder, is Netflix IN Kenya or is it allowing Kenyans to access
it?
When I think of DSTV, which I think is broadcast from SA, every film
classification is as per the classification in SA. I don't think I have
ever seen a film that implies a classification criteria that involves
KFCB.
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I think this comes as an opportunity for us to welcome Netflix and have the help us promote local content(which we have been singing for ages now). For licensing Netflix, I do not know what KFCB is trying to achieve, and most importantly do they understand how Netflix works in the first place or is this just a stunt some GOK bodies pull to just show how busy they are. Waiting to see how this will work out. On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Muchiri Nyaggah via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
So can we now expect meetings with YouTube, Vimeo etc to be on the cards in the coming months?
Meanwhile, I think this might be an opportunity for KFCB and its peers on the continent to lobby Netflix to accommodate local content…since they are in a boardroom and what not.
Muchiri
On 11 Jan 2016, at 8:23 AM, Ali Hussein via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Fortunately for them Netflx has agreed to meet them. I understand they are meeting this week. Would be interesting how far both parties are willing to go to censor some content deemed undesirable for Kenyans.
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On 10 Jan 2016, at 4:34 PM, Grace Githaiga via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
@Gichuki, I agree with you on the issue of understanding. I think KFCB needs to get a brief on how Netflix works, including exploring what local and international regimes exist for the management of online broadcasts.
Rgds GG
------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 14:43:59 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Netflix to be regulated by KFCB in Kenya From: [email protected] CC: [email protected] To: [email protected]
I think we have a big problem with Kenya Government and Agencies not understanding how cyber works. How can you regulate streaming? Can someone please train them or get younger guys who understand cyber to sit in their board meetings. On 8 Jan 2016 20:32, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < [email protected]> wrote:
:-)
The more things change...
Ali Hussein Tel: +254 713 601113 On Jan 8, 2016 8:20 PM, "Ngigi Waithaka" <[email protected]> wrote:
:-) Thought so too...
And guess, who else has over 18+ free channels that are never regulated? Youtube, Vimeo, Hulu.... All these rely on self-regulation i.e Parents etc
And so, Netflix launches its goodies in Kenya this week *Wednesday* and on *Monday* coming week, they have a *date* with the regulator...
Quickest ever date with Kenyan bureaucracy.... Just how smooth can you be...! :-)
@Walu, Can you add *level* playing field for all content providers into that *list*
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 8:06 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected]> wrote:
:-)
As far as I know DSTV is not 'regulated'. Besides, remember that KBC is a major stakeholder in DSTV..:-)
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On 8 Jan 2016, at 8:02 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <[email protected]> wrote:
Ali,
Any idea how DSTV is currently regulated? I can't seem to ever remember an instance where anything DSTV broadcasted was regulated by KFCB...
I am actually thinking we'll get another Equitel<->Safcom fight with the dominant player claiming that SIM Overlays are the "...current home of insecurity..." (Just incase Safcom would like to know; that was sooo lame)
In this instance, it's most likely going to be, "...Netflix is here to mess with our morals :-)..."
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:48 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected]> wrote:
Ngigi
Interesting question. My question to KFCB is:-
What makes them think they can regulate Netflix when they have been unable to Regulate torrents?
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On 8 Jan 2016, at 7:41 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <[email protected]> wrote:
Ali,
I am actually aware that you can now watch Netflix while IN Kenya without having to use those VPN accounts...
Does that mean Netflix is operating IN Kenya and hence can be regulated?
Suppose I stream Fifty Shades of Grey, which is currently banned in Kenya by KFCB, from a Netflix Server hosted in the US, does that require regulation?
Rgds
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Ali Hussein <[email protected]> wrote:
Ngigi
Netflix is available in Kenya from yesterday.
Good luck to KFCB trying to regulate them.
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On 8 Jan 2016, at 7:07 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < [email protected]> wrote:
Hi Listers,
I just came across this
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Netflix-should-be-subjecte...
Looks like the Kenya Film Classification Board (KFCB) wants to regulate Netflix.
I then wonder, is Netflix IN Kenya or is it allowing Kenyans to access it?
When I think of DSTV, which I think is broadcast from SA, every film classification is as per the classification in SA. I don't think I have ever seen a film that implies a classification criteria that involves KFCB.
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Ali Hussein -
Brian Munyao Longwe -
Consumers Federation of Kenya (COFEK) -
David Njuki -
Gichuki John Chuksjonia -
Grace Githaiga -
Muchiri Nyaggah -
Mwendwa Kivuva -
Ngigi Waithaka -
Peter Wakaba -
Rad! -
Sidney Ochieng -
Tejpal Bedi -
Toilem Godwin -
Victor bwire -
Walubengo J