Hi All, I always said that my short lived mini computer skills will serve me again soon, the big boys are back in the game and at the front of the pack is old Blue. http://www.informationweek.com/news/hardware/data_centers/232900099 Cloud is the death knell for the PC Servers and the rebirth of the mainframe team, it is good to be back home with total and absolute control. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
Hi Listers, I have just received a phone call from a very respected member of this community, who shall remain unnamed for purposes of his reputation as in this case he is acting as a gun for hire. He indicated that the post below is negative and I need to have a more positive approach to my posts. Mine is to present my case and accept judgement in the court of peer opinion, so I ask is this post negative? In the conversation it was said that most list members avoid contributing for fear of being flamed mainly by me, to encourage all to participate I promise not to respond to any post that relates to this issue either now or in the future. Moderator, in the event that the majority indicate my post of the successful launch of a cloud solution by IBM is negative please delete the post and suspend my posting privileges for 1 month or any other period deemed appropriate to the extent of cancelling my membership. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 18 April 2012, 8:19 Subject: [kictanet] IBM is dead! Hi All, I always said that my short lived mini computer skills will serve me again soon, the big boys are back in the game and at the front of the pack is old Blue. http://www.informationweek.com/news/hardware/data_centers/232900099 Cloud is the death knell for the PC Servers and the rebirth of the mainframe team, it is good to be back home with total and absolute control. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.u... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
I wish I could laugh louder.When one airs opinions based on what they believe in doesn't that mean it's a valid argument based on their thinking? Robert, are you yielding to pressure such that you want to look as though you are in the wrrong? On 18/04/2012, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Listers,
I have just received a phone call from a very respected member of this community, who shall remain unnamed for purposes of his reputation as in this case he is acting as a gun for hire.
He indicated that the post below is negative and I need to have a more positive approach to my posts.
Mine is to present my case and accept judgement in the court of peer opinion, so I ask is this post negative?
In the conversation it was said that most list members avoid contributing for fear of being flamed mainly by me, to encourage all to participate I promise not to respond to any post that relates to this issue either now or in the future.
Moderator, in the event that the majority indicate my post of the successful launch of a cloud solution by IBM is negative please delete the post and suspend my posting privileges for 1 month or any other period deemed appropriate to the extent of cancelling my membership.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 18 April 2012, 8:19 Subject: [kictanet] IBM is dead!
Hi All,
I always said that my short lived mini computer skills will serve me again soon, the big boys are back in the game and at the front of the pack is old Blue.
http://www.informationweek.com/news/hardware/data_centers/232900099
Cloud is the death knell for the PC Servers and the rebirth of the mainframe team, it is good to be back home with total and absolute control.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
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Hi, My take is that although the post has a URL to the actual IBM story, Roberts heading "IBM is Dead" is sensational. This could be viewed by many as a bare knuckled attach on a leading vendor and thus draw the wrath of stakeholders in the industry. It is true that there are people who have been reluctant to contribute on this forum for fear of the usual backlash we see unleashed. In a forum where there is little regulation, people are likely to depart from civility and engage on discourse that boarders on libel especially when castigating organisations for alleged poor services. The wise would call it speakign the truth in Love. Etinick On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
I wish I could laugh louder.When one airs opinions based on what they believe in doesn't that mean it's a valid argument based on their thinking? Robert, are you yielding to pressure such that you want to look as though you are in the wrrong?
On 18/04/2012, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Listers,
I have just received a phone call from a very respected member of this community, who shall remain unnamed for purposes of his reputation as in this case he is acting as a gun for hire.
He indicated that the post below is negative and I need to have a more positive approach to my posts.
Mine is to present my case and accept judgement in the court of peer opinion, so I ask is this post negative?
In the conversation it was said that most list members avoid contributing for fear of being flamed mainly by me, to encourage all to participate I promise not to respond to any post that relates to this issue either now or in the future.
Moderator, in the event that the majority indicate my post of the successful launch of a cloud solution by IBM is negative please delete the post and suspend my posting privileges for 1 month or any other period deemed appropriate to the extent of cancelling my membership.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 18 April 2012, 8:19 Subject: [kictanet] IBM is dead!
Hi All,
I always said that my short lived mini computer skills will serve me again soon, the big boys are back in the game and at the front of the pack is old Blue.
http://www.informationweek.com/news/hardware/data_centers/232900099
Cloud is the death knell for the PC Servers and the rebirth of the mainframe team, it is good to be back home with total and absolute control.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
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Listers, I am saddened to read Robert's email saying he got a phone call from "someone"-whoever the person is. This is EXACTLY what I mentioned in one of my comments on the reasons for low participation in Kictanet discussions. Is KICTANET supposed to be a controlled forum where one only voices "positive " comments? And what are "positive" comments? In my view, if I was IBM, I would turn around this "negative" comment and use the opportunity to educate listers on what we are doing- a good chance to capture attention of so many from this "negative" subject heading. I am therefore choosing to believe that the phone call to Robert is not from anyone associated with IBM. This caller is in fact doing IBM disservice and not giving them an opportunity to educate listers yet so much education is required. Let us not lie to ourselves that there is so much knowledge in the ICT fraternity. Listers, please, please, let us not intimidate anyone when they comment. Choose to let those it is directly touching on to correct the position- if it is wrong. After all, how do you know how many more are thinking like Robert regarding IBM and cloud computing? Is this not a good chance to educate/inform the masses? Let us learn to turn negative situations into positive situations.In my view, listers would have learned so much from this. Every organisation needs a person who can provide constructive criticism. Where it is baseless, it is treated as so. Many times, there is some truth in the criticism and organisational leaders who listen have learned so much and in many cases, it has helped the organisation evaluate certain positions or strategies. I am sure those who have studied leadership programs will agree. Robert, carry on. You will be told off or better still corrected where it seems baseless and I hope commended,where your criticism has opened eyes. Kind regards, Gilda Odera ----- Original Message ----- From: "Etinick Mutinda" <etinick@gmail.com> To: <godera@skyweb.co.ke> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] IBM is dead!
Hi,
My take is that although the post has a URL to the actual IBM story, Roberts heading "IBM is Dead" is sensational. This could be viewed by many as a bare knuckled attach on a leading vendor and thus draw the wrath of stakeholders in the industry. It is true that there are people who have been reluctant to contribute on this forum for fear of the usual backlash we see unleashed. In a forum where there is little regulation, people are likely to depart from civility and engage on discourse that boarders on libel especially when castigating organisations for alleged poor services. The wise would call it speakign the truth in Love.
Etinick
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
I wish I could laugh louder.When one airs opinions based on what they believe in doesn't that mean it's a valid argument based on their thinking? Robert, are you yielding to pressure such that you want to look as though you are in the wrrong?
On 18/04/2012, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Listers,
I have just received a phone call from a very respected member of this community, who shall remain unnamed for purposes of his reputation as in this case he is acting as a gun for hire.
He indicated that the post below is negative and I need to have a more positive approach to my posts.
Mine is to present my case and accept judgement in the court of peer opinion, so I ask is this post negative?
In the conversation it was said that most list members avoid contributing for fear of being flamed mainly by me, to encourage all to participate I promise not to respond to any post that relates to this issue either now or in the future.
Moderator, in the event that the majority indicate my post of the successful launch of a cloud solution by IBM is negative please delete the post and suspend my posting privileges for 1 month or any other period deemed appropriate to the extent of cancelling my membership.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 18 April 2012, 8:19 Subject: [kictanet] IBM is dead!
Hi All,
I always said that my short lived mini computer skills will serve me again soon, the big boys are back in the game and at the front of the pack is old Blue.
http://www.informationweek.com/news/hardware/data_centers/232900099
Cloud is the death knell for the PC Servers and the rebirth of the mainframe team, it is good to be back home with total and absolute control.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
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Yawe, Listers; My take: I believe the tone in the last few days following the post "Kictanet 2.0" has been that we are all free to critique and comment on all matters ICT. The negativity or positivity of any such critique, is relative- i.e. is in the eyes of the reader. What we however need to strive to achieve, is to have an open forum that is helping in advancing the role that ICT in the Social, Economic and Political facets of our economy. Indeed, in the past (and I am a culprit on this) we have put up posts that seem to either champion/castigate one organization/individual or the other; Let is then try to quickly move away from this so that we are a resource rich forum (yes even to our PHD students) that is near devoid of "Lurkers". This does not mean that; if there is an organization/individual that seems to be "dropping the ball; sleeping on the job, etc" should not be told as much- No, they MUST , just that is very essential and healthy that maintain a decent level of decorum and etiquette - I am working on my partJ Again, just my take. Edwin From: kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of robert yawe Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 8:50 AM To: Edwin Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] IBM is dead! Hi Listers, I have just received a phone call from a very respected member of this community, who shall remain unnamed for purposes of his reputation as in this case he is acting as a gun for hire. He indicated that the post below is negative and I need to have a more positive approach to my posts. Mine is to present my case and accept judgement in the court of peer opinion, so I ask is this post negative? In the conversation it was said that most list members avoid contributing for fear of being flamed mainly by me, to encourage all to participate I promise not to respond to any post that relates to this issue either now or in the future. Moderator, in the event that the majority indicate my post of the successful launch of a cloud solution by IBM is negative please delete the post and suspend my posting privileges for 1 month or any other period deemed appropriate to the extent of cancelling my membership. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 _____ From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 18 April 2012, 8:19 Subject: [kictanet] IBM is dead! Hi All, I always said that my short lived mini computer skills will serve me again soon, the big boys are back in the game and at the front of the pack is old Blue. http://www.informationweek.com/news/hardware/data_centers/232900099 Cloud is the death knell for the PC Servers and the rebirth of the mainframe team, it is good to be back home with total and absolute control. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.u k The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2411/4943 - Release Date: 04/17/12
Hi Robert, I personally believe in freedom of expression. This forum, IMHO, is open to all members to express their views/opinions by way of proposition, opposition and support of views expressed - but within the confines of this very platform/forum. Whoever called you is some coward who is afraid of expressing himself publicly. Oh, just tell the person they are burrreeeeeeee kabisa! :-) On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 08:49, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Listers,
I have just received a phone call from a very respected member of this community, who shall remain unnamed for purposes of his reputation as in this case he is acting as a gun for hire.
He indicated that the post below is negative and I need to have a more positive approach to my posts.
Mine is to present my case and accept judgement in the court of peer opinion, so I ask is this post negative?
In the conversation it was said that most list members avoid contributing for fear of being flamed mainly by me, to encourage all to participate I promise not to respond to any post that relates to this issue either now or in the future.
Moderator, in the event that the majority indicate my post of the successful launch of a cloud solution by IBM is negative please delete the post and suspend my posting privileges for 1 month or any other period deemed appropriate to the extent of cancelling my membership.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Wednesday, 18 April 2012, 8:19 *Subject:* [kictanet] IBM is dead!
Hi All,
I always said that my short lived mini computer skills will serve me again soon, the big boys are back in the game and at the front of the pack is old Blue.
http://www.informationweek.com/news/hardware/data_centers/232900099
Cloud is the death knell for the PC Servers and the rebirth of the mainframe team, it is good to be back home with total and absolute control.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Yawe I really do not see what is negative about IBM launching its cloud service. I am guessing the title subject of your email was meant to 'catch' the kictanet audience for a good discourse. The said 'respected member of this community' should have given his views online for a good debate rather than try to dictate to you how you should write your posts. More oil to your elbows I say! Keep on writing! Peres Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Sender: kictanet-bounces+peres_were=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 06:49:58 To: Peres Were<peres_were@yahoo.co.uk> Reply-To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] IBM is dead! _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/peres_were%40yahoo.co.u... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
As we approve and condemn the phantom caller, we should also learn to take what Robert says with a little pinch of salt On 18/04/2012, peres_were@yahoo.co.uk <peres_were@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Yawe
I really do not see what is negative about IBM launching its cloud service. I am guessing the title subject of your email was meant to 'catch' the kictanet audience for a good discourse.
The said 'respected member of this community' should have given his views online for a good debate rather than try to dictate to you how you should write your posts.
More oil to your elbows I say! Keep on writing!
Peres Sent from my BlackBerry®
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@Kivuva Since I know Yawe's style, I had indeed not taking the title too seriously and again I do know something about IBM actually being a top 5 software (not even hardware) companies and so there's no way they could be dead. But following the reactions, I had now to search and get the original post and sure enough the content was indeed +ve for IBM - but as @PKukubo said, some people would take this subject line and tweet/fb/run with it with unforseen repercussions. Moral of the story - some Listers have over time developed more *authority* or *followers* to use the tweeter analogy than others. But with that comes the responsibility that such Listers must weigh the impact of their posts more than others - because many a times their posts are more likely to be taken as gospel truth and perhaps quoted in other forums where the readers there do not know that @Yawe was posting with a pinch of salt.... walu. nb: I also tweaked his subject line to match his original content --- On Wed, 4/18/12, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote: From: Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] IBM is dead! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, April 18, 2012, 2:41 PM As we approve and condemn the phantom caller, we should also learn to take what Robert says with a little pinch of salt On 18/04/2012, peres_were@yahoo.co.uk <peres_were@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Yawe
I really do not see what is negative about IBM launching its cloud service. I am guessing the title subject of your email was meant to 'catch' the kictanet audience for a good discourse.
The said 'respected member of this community' should have given his views online for a good debate rather than try to dictate to you how you should write your posts.
More oil to your elbows I say! Keep on writing!
Peres Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Sender: kictanet-bounces+peres_were=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 06:49:58 To: Peres Were<peres_were@yahoo.co.uk> Reply-To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] IBM is dead!
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Thanks @Walu, Your clarification is a good reflection. Now some listers will understand the social mutation of kictanet, and its pecking order too. Regards 10rdmwesh On 18 April 2012 17:22, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Kivuva
Since I know Yawe's style, I had indeed not taking the title too seriously and again I do know something about IBM actually being a top 5 software (not even hardware) companies and so there's no way they could be dead.
But following the reactions, I had now to search and get the original post and sure enough the content was indeed +ve for IBM - but as @PKukubo said, some people would take this subject line and tweet/fb/run with it with unforseen repercussions.
Moral of the story - some Listers have over time developed more *authority* or *followers* to use the tweeter analogy than others. But with that comes the responsibility that such Listers must weigh the impact of their posts more than others - because many a times their posts are more likely to be taken as gospel truth and perhaps quoted in other forums where the readers there do not know that @Yawe was posting with a pinch of salt....
walu. nb: I also tweaked his subject line to match his original content --- On *Wed, 4/18/12, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>* wrote:
From: Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] IBM is dead! To: jwalu@yahoo.com
Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, April 18, 2012, 2:41 PM
As we approve and condemn the phantom caller, we should also learn to take what Robert says with a little pinch of salt
On 18/04/2012, peres_were@yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=peres_were@yahoo.co.uk><; peres_were@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=peres_were@yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:
Yawe
I really do not see what is negative about IBM launching its cloud service. I am guessing the title subject of your email was meant to 'catch' the kictanet audience for a good discourse.
The said 'respected member of this community' should have given his views online for a good debate rather than try to dictate to you how you should write your posts.
More oil to your elbows I say! Keep on writing!
Peres Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Listers , all good systems are as a result of criticism i like the way Yawe puts his thoughts across and i think this forum is for enlightening the massess like Gilda Otieno says lets not be intimidated or intimidate others we are not politicians lolhow else do we learn . On 4/18/12, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
Thanks @Walu, Your clarification is a good reflection.
Now some listers will understand the social mutation of kictanet, and its pecking order too.
Regards 10rdmwesh
On 18 April 2012 17:22, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Kivuva
Since I know Yawe's style, I had indeed not taking the title too seriously and again I do know something about IBM actually being a top 5 software (not even hardware) companies and so there's no way they could be dead.
But following the reactions, I had now to search and get the original post and sure enough the content was indeed +ve for IBM - but as @PKukubo said, some people would take this subject line and tweet/fb/run with it with unforseen repercussions.
Moral of the story - some Listers have over time developed more *authority* or *followers* to use the tweeter analogy than others. But with that comes the responsibility that such Listers must weigh the impact of their posts more than others - because many a times their posts are more likely to be taken as gospel truth and perhaps quoted in other forums where the readers there do not know that @Yawe was posting with a pinch of salt....
walu. nb: I also tweaked his subject line to match his original content --- On *Wed, 4/18/12, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>* wrote:
From: Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] IBM is dead! To: jwalu@yahoo.com
Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, April 18, 2012, 2:41 PM
As we approve and condemn the phantom caller, we should also learn to take what Robert says with a little pinch of salt
On 18/04/2012, peres_were@yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=peres_were@yahoo.co.uk><; peres_were@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=peres_were@yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:
Yawe
I really do not see what is negative about IBM launching its cloud service. I am guessing the title subject of your email was meant to 'catch' the kictanet audience for a good discourse.
The said 'respected member of this community' should have given his views online for a good debate rather than try to dictate to you how you should write your posts.
More oil to your elbows I say! Keep on writing!
Peres Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Hello Shiko, You mean "Gilda Odera", thank you:) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna shiko" <ednawanjiku@gmail.com> To: <godera@skyweb.co.ke> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] IBM is dead! Listers , all good systems are as a result of criticism i like the way Yawe puts his thoughts across and i think this forum is for enlightening the massess like Gilda Otieno says lets not be intimidated or intimidate others we are not politicians lolhow else do we learn . On 4/18/12, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
Thanks @Walu, Your clarification is a good reflection.
Now some listers will understand the social mutation of kictanet, and its pecking order too.
Regards 10rdmwesh
On 18 April 2012 17:22, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Kivuva
Since I know Yawe's style, I had indeed not taking the title too seriously and again I do know something about IBM actually being a top 5 software (not even hardware) companies and so there's no way they could be dead.
But following the reactions, I had now to search and get the original post and sure enough the content was indeed +ve for IBM - but as @PKukubo said, some people would take this subject line and tweet/fb/run with it with unforseen repercussions.
Moral of the story - some Listers have over time developed more *authority* or *followers* to use the tweeter analogy than others. But with that comes the responsibility that such Listers must weigh the impact of their posts more than others - because many a times their posts are more likely to be taken as gospel truth and perhaps quoted in other forums where the readers there do not know that @Yawe was posting with a pinch of salt....
walu. nb: I also tweaked his subject line to match his original content --- On *Wed, 4/18/12, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>* wrote:
From: Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] IBM is dead! To: jwalu@yahoo.com
Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, April 18, 2012, 2:41 PM
As we approve and condemn the phantom caller, we should also learn to take what Robert says with a little pinch of salt
On 18/04/2012, peres_were@yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=peres_were@yahoo.co.uk><; peres_were@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=peres_were@yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:
Yawe
I really do not see what is negative about IBM launching its cloud service. I am guessing the title subject of your email was meant to 'catch' the kictanet audience for a good discourse.
The said 'respected member of this community' should have given his views online for a good debate rather than try to dictate to you how you should write your posts.
More oil to your elbows I say! Keep on writing!
Peres Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Well, my two cents, Robert used Chinua Achebes literary approach :-), most of us want direct English (the twitter era). At least he has brought to fore the key issues even though the title appears sensational, the end justifies the means. Best Regards On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> wrote:
Hello Shiko,
You mean "Gilda Odera", thank you:) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna shiko" <ednawanjiku@gmail.com> To: <godera@skyweb.co.ke>
Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke**> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: [kictanet] IBM is dead!
Listers , all good systems are as a result of criticism i like the way Yawe puts his thoughts across and i think this forum is for enlightening the massess like Gilda Otieno says lets not be intimidated or intimidate others we are not politicians lolhow else do we learn .
On 4/18/12, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
Thanks @Walu, Your clarification is a good reflection.
Now some listers will understand the social mutation of kictanet, and its pecking order too.
Regards 10rdmwesh
On 18 April 2012 17:22, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Kivuva
Since I know Yawe's style, I had indeed not taking the title too seriously and again I do know something about IBM actually being a top 5 software (not even hardware) companies and so there's no way they could be dead.
But following the reactions, I had now to search and get the original post and sure enough the content was indeed +ve for IBM - but as @PKukubo said, some people would take this subject line and tweet/fb/run with it with unforseen repercussions.
Moral of the story - some Listers have over time developed more *authority* or *followers* to use the tweeter analogy than others. But with that comes the responsibility that such Listers must weigh the impact of their posts more than others - because many a times their posts are more likely to be taken as gospel truth and perhaps quoted in other forums where the readers there do not know that @Yawe was posting with a pinch of salt....
walu. nb: I also tweaked his subject line to match his original content --- On *Wed, 4/18/12, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>* wrote:
From: Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] IBM is dead! To: jwalu@yahoo.com
Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke**> Date: Wednesday, April 18, 2012, 2:41 PM
As we approve and condemn the phantom caller, we should also learn to take what Robert says with a little pinch of salt
<
wrote: Yawe
I really do not see what is negative about IBM launching its cloud service. I am guessing the title subject of your email was meant to 'catch' the kictanet audience for a good discourse.
The said 'respected member of this community' should have given his views online for a good debate rather than try to dictate to you how you should write your posts.
More oil to your elbows I say! Keep on writing!
Peres Sent from my BlackBerry®
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There is sarcasm and irony. When it gets used in public , majority don't get it. Where did our literature teachers fail ? Many have been saying IBM is dead, and this prompted Yawe to post an article that shows this is far from the truth , though using the popular thought , IBM is dead. The reactions in this list are similar to the many amusing and angry letters that follow many a Kwamchetsi Makokha's piece . Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+dmbuvi=gmail.com@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 07:17:35 To: Dennis Kioko Mbuvi<dmbuvi@gmail.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] IBM is dead! _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/dmbuvi%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Well, my two cents, Robert used Chinua Achebes literary approach :-), most of us want direct English (the twitter era). At least he has brought to fore the key issues even though the title appears sensational, the end justifies the means. Best Regards On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> wrote:
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Listers , all good systems are as a result of criticism i like the way Yawe puts his thoughts across and i think this forum is for enlightening the massess like Gilda Otieno says lets not be intimidated or intimidate others we are not politicians lolhow else do we learn .
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Thanks @Walu, Your clarification is a good reflection.
Now some listers will understand the social mutation of kictanet, and its pecking order too.
Regards 10rdmwesh
On 18 April 2012 17:22, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Kivuva
Since I know Yawe's style, I had indeed not taking the title too seriously and again I do know something about IBM actually being a top 5 software (not even hardware) companies and so there's no way they could be dead.
But following the reactions, I had now to search and get the original post and sure enough the content was indeed +ve for IBM - but as @PKukubo said, some people would take this subject line and tweet/fb/run with it with unforseen repercussions.
Moral of the story - some Listers have over time developed more *authority* or *followers* to use the tweeter analogy than others. But with that comes the responsibility that such Listers must weigh the impact of their posts more than others - because many a times their posts are more likely to be taken as gospel truth and perhaps quoted in other forums where the readers there do not know that @Yawe was posting with a pinch of salt....
walu. nb: I also tweaked his subject line to match his original content --- On *Wed, 4/18/12, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>* wrote:
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As we approve and condemn the phantom caller, we should also learn to take what Robert says with a little pinch of salt
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wrote: Yawe
I really do not see what is negative about IBM launching its cloud service. I am guessing the title subject of your email was meant to 'catch' the kictanet audience for a good discourse.
The said 'respected member of this community' should have given his views online for a good debate rather than try to dictate to you how you should write your posts.
More oil to your elbows I say! Keep on writing!
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Barrack, I would classify it as an oxymoron like an "Open secret" or to jibe at Yawe's subject: the "Living dead" I see nothing sensational about the headline. Consider the following phrases in our variant of colloquial English "IBM is deadly", "IBM is kicking" or in Sheng: "IBM ni wanoma" or "IBM wako juu mbaya". Gado, Yawe, Mado, Madd, four letter names, same stuff! Regards Regards Eugene Lidede | Chief Technology Officer | Synergy Systems Limited 6th Floor, Phoenix House, Kenyatta Ave. | Cell: +254 721 289497/476367 | Tel: +254 20 2113163 live.mystocks.co.ke | www.propertykenya.com | www.mystocks.co.ke Outstanding Online Investment Content Provider 2009 - Computer Society of Kenya From: kictanet-bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Barrack Otieno Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 11:05 AM To: Eugene Lidede Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] IBM is dead! Well, my two cents, Robert used Chinua Achebes literary approach :-), most of us want direct English (the twitter era). At least he has brought to fore the key issues even though the title appears sensational, the end justifies the means. Best Regards On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> wrote: Hello Shiko, You mean "Gilda Odera", thank you:) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna shiko" <ednawanjiku@gmail.com> To: <godera@skyweb.co.ke> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] IBM is dead! Listers , all good systems are as a result of criticism i like the way Yawe puts his thoughts across and i think this forum is for enlightening the massess like Gilda Otieno says lets not be intimidated or intimidate others we are not politicians lolhow else do we learn . On 4/18/12, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote: Thanks @Walu, Your clarification is a good reflection. Now some listers will understand the social mutation of kictanet, and its pecking order too. Regards 10rdmwesh On 18 April 2012 17:22, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: @Kivuva Since I know Yawe's style, I had indeed not taking the title too seriously and again I do know something about IBM actually being a top 5 software (not even hardware) companies and so there's no way they could be dead. But following the reactions, I had now to search and get the original post and sure enough the content was indeed +ve for IBM - but as @PKukubo said, some people would take this subject line and tweet/fb/run with it with unforseen repercussions. Moral of the story - some Listers have over time developed more *authority* or *followers* to use the tweeter analogy than others. But with that comes the responsibility that such Listers must weigh the impact of their posts more than others - because many a times their posts are more likely to be taken as gospel truth and perhaps quoted in other forums where the readers there do not know that @Yawe was posting with a pinch of salt.... walu. nb: I also tweaked his subject line to match his original content --- On *Wed, 4/18/12, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>* wrote: From: Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] IBM is dead! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, April 18, 2012, 2:41 PM As we approve and condemn the phantom caller, we should also learn to take what Robert says with a little pinch of salt On 18/04/2012, peres_were@yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=peres_were@yahoo.co.uk><; peres_were@yahoo.co.uk <http://mc/compose?to=peres_were@yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:
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I really do not see what is negative about IBM launching its cloud service. I am guessing the title subject of your email was meant to 'catch' the kictanet audience for a good discourse.
The said 'respected member of this community' should have given his views online for a good debate rather than try to dictate to you how you should write your posts.
More oil to your elbows I say! Keep on writing!
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@Kivuva Since I know Yawe's style, I had indeed not taking the title too seriously and again I do know something about IBM actually being a top 5 software (not even hardware) companies and so there's no way they could be dead. But following the reactions, I had now to search and get the original post and sure enough the content was indeed +ve for IBM - but as @PKukubo said, some people would take this subject line and tweet/fb/run with it with unforseen repercussions. Moral of the story - some Listers have over time developed more *authority* or *followers* to use the tweeter analogy than others. But with that comes the responsibility that such Listers must weigh the impact of their posts more than others - because many a times their posts are more likely to be taken as gospel truth and perhaps quoted in other forums where the readers there do not know that @Yawe was posting with a pinch of salt.... walu. nb: I also tweaked his subject line to match his original content- now tweaked! --- On Wed, 4/18/12, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote: From: Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] IBM is dead! To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, April 18, 2012, 2:41 PM As we approve and condemn the phantom caller, we should also learn to take what Robert says with a little pinch of salt On 18/04/2012, peres_were@yahoo.co.uk <peres_were@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Yawe
I really do not see what is negative about IBM launching its cloud service. I am guessing the title subject of your email was meant to 'catch' the kictanet audience for a good discourse.
The said 'respected member of this community' should have given his views online for a good debate rather than try to dictate to you how you should write your posts.
More oil to your elbows I say! Keep on writing!
Peres Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Sender: kictanet-bounces+peres_were=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 06:49:58 To: Peres Were<peres_were@yahoo.co.uk> Reply-To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] IBM is dead!
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So when is the IBM funeral and when are mini computers resurrecting .. It would have been appropriate to have it over Easter but its a tad bit too late .. On 18 April 2012 08:19, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi All,
I always said that my short lived mini computer skills will serve me again soon, the big boys are back in the game and at the front of the pack is old Blue.
http://www.informationweek.com/news/hardware/data_centers/232900099
Cloud is the death knell for the PC Servers and the rebirth of the mainframe team, it is good to be back home with total and absolute control.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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participants (14)
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Barrack Otieno -
dmbuvi＠gmail.com -
Edna shiko -
Edwin Onchari -
Etinick Mutinda -
Eugene Lidede (Synergy) -
Gilda Odera -
Kivuva -
Odhiambo Washington -
peres_were＠yahoo.co.uk -
robert yawe -
Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau -
Thomas Kibui -
Walubengo J