controversial-it-practitioners-bill-re-emerges
Dear All This is back in parliament again https://www.cio.co.ke/kenyas-controversial-ict-practitioners-bill-re-emerges... <https://www.cio.co.ke/kenyas-controversial-ict-practitioners-bill-re-emerges/> regards Barry
Is there an underlying motive to pushing this bill from so many quarters in the manner they are doing? what’s the game plan? Regards, Collins Areba, Kilifi, Kenya. Tel: +254 707 750 788 / 0731 750 788 Twitter: @arebacollins. Skype: arebacollins On 19 Sep 2018, 9:21 AM +0300, Barry Macharia via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>, wrote:
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This is back in parliament again
https://www.cio.co.ke/kenyas-controversial-ict-practitioners-bill-re-emerges...
regards Barry
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laws are created to address a particular vise within the society, the more the bill delays the more the society suffer, why dont we have time limit to these bill that have over stayed their implementation coz of some selfish needs? On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 9:27 AM Collins Areba via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Is there an underlying motive to pushing this bill from so many quarters in the manner they are doing? what’s the game plan?
Regards,
Collins Areba, Kilifi, Kenya. Tel: +*254 707 750 788* / *0731 750 788* Twitter: @arebacollins. Skype: arebacollins On 19 Sep 2018, 9:21 AM +0300, Barry Macharia via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>, wrote:
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This is back in parliament again
https://www.cio.co.ke/kenyas-controversial-ict-practitioners-bill-re-emerges...
regards Barry
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Listers This bill is being pushed from all angles of the government. From the Ministry (The CS is on record that he will support or even sponsor such a bill) and it now seems Parliament. My take on this bill is that:- 1. Whilst most of us will oppose this bill we must be strategic in how we engage and ensure our voice is heard. 2. We must insist on a transparent Public Participation Process and clear feedback mechanism on how we progress on this. 3. We must be ready to go to court if need be to ensure our voice is heard. 4. We must ensure that this bill is not turned into a Rent-Seeking Mechanism and that if it does pass (that it is in the spirit of ensuring that the sector progresses to world class standards. 5. We must hold our representatives to account and ensure that they understand what it is they are proposing. 6. Last but not least the bill MUST start with a definition of who an ICT Practitioner is. This is the million dollar question that MUST be answered before we even deign to progress any conversations. I suggest that KICTANet forms a high level committee to drive our agenda. I'm asking this mainly informed by this simple fact:- If you are not at the table eating then you either of the following:- 1. You are the food. 2. You have been left out completely 3. Or you are serving the food and will probably be left with the scraps after everyone has eaten. Regards *Ali Hussein* *Principal* *AHK & Associates* Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, Chiromo Road, Westlands, Nairobi, Kenya. Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 9:22 AM Barry Macharia via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear All
This is back in parliament again
https://www.cio.co.ke/kenyas-controversial-ict-practitioners-bill-re-emerges...
regards Barry
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Thank you Hussain A task force is a must, much as i believe that there is one in place, this will ensure that the bill is not only sired, but sired in the right time and with the capacity to address the critical issues within the industry. On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 11:25 AM Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers
This bill is being pushed from all angles of the government. From the Ministry (The CS is on record that he will support or even sponsor such a bill) and it now seems Parliament. My take on this bill is that:-
1. Whilst most of us will oppose this bill we must be strategic in how we engage and ensure our voice is heard. 2. We must insist on a transparent Public Participation Process and clear feedback mechanism on how we progress on this. 3. We must be ready to go to court if need be to ensure our voice is heard. 4. We must ensure that this bill is not turned into a Rent-Seeking Mechanism and that if it does pass (that it is in the spirit of ensuring that the sector progresses to world class standards. 5. We must hold our representatives to account and ensure that they understand what it is they are proposing. 6. Last but not least the bill MUST start with a definition of who an ICT Practitioner is. This is the million dollar question that MUST be answered before we even deign to progress any conversations.
I suggest that KICTANet forms a high level committee to drive our agenda. I'm asking this mainly informed by this simple fact:-
If you are not at the table eating then you either of the following:- 1. You are the food. 2. You have been left out completely 3. Or you are serving the food and will probably be left with the scraps after everyone has eaten.
Regards
*Ali Hussein*
*Principal*
*AHK & Associates*
Tel: +254 713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing,
Chiromo Road, Westlands,
Nairobi, Kenya.
Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with.
On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 9:22 AM Barry Macharia via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear All
This is back in parliament again
https://www.cio.co.ke/kenyas-controversial-ict-practitioners-bill-re-emerges...
regards Barry
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What issues? On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 12:15 PM Hannington Oduor via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Thank you Hussain
A task force is a must, much as i believe that there is one in place, this will ensure that the bill is not only sired, but sired in the right time and with the capacity to address the critical issues within the industry.
On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 11:25 AM Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers
This bill is being pushed from all angles of the government. From the Ministry (The CS is on record that he will support or even sponsor such a bill) and it now seems Parliament. My take on this bill is that:-
1. Whilst most of us will oppose this bill we must be strategic in how we engage and ensure our voice is heard. 2. We must insist on a transparent Public Participation Process and clear feedback mechanism on how we progress on this. 3. We must be ready to go to court if need be to ensure our voice is heard. 4. We must ensure that this bill is not turned into a Rent-Seeking Mechanism and that if it does pass (that it is in the spirit of ensuring that the sector progresses to world class standards. 5. We must hold our representatives to account and ensure that they understand what it is they are proposing. 6. Last but not least the bill MUST start with a definition of who an ICT Practitioner is. This is the million dollar question that MUST be answered before we even deign to progress any conversations.
I suggest that KICTANet forms a high level committee to drive our agenda. I'm asking this mainly informed by this simple fact:-
If you are not at the table eating then you either of the following:- 1. You are the food. 2. You have been left out completely 3. Or you are serving the food and will probably be left with the scraps after everyone has eaten.
Regards
*Ali Hussein*
*Principal*
*AHK & Associates*
Tel: +254 713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing,
Chiromo Road, Westlands,
Nairobi, Kenya.
Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with.
On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 9:22 AM Barry Macharia via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear All
This is back in parliament again
https://www.cio.co.ke/kenyas-controversial-ict-practitioners-bill-re-emerges...
regards Barry
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This is a very contentious issue with multiple and divergent interests. As Ali would put it Kila mwamba ngoma is going to vuta kwake But let me start with congratulating you all for showing up to do this again, it clearly wasn't going to be a one time stand On top of just fighting, this time we must be the ones to figure it out as well. As some fight and others make noise and throw tantrums, while the majority flee and bury their heads -- in true Kenya style... I have listed below 11 key lessons we could borrow from the previous lobbying efforts in the first round. They are: 1. Find out the political reasons behind the bill --- there is always a few and they are the only ones that matter. 2. Work with the mover and chairs very very closely but don't forget the researchers, committee members and support staff. ---major influences oftenly ignored to the peril of many. 3. Lobby both one on one and committee. ---The members are smart human beings with personal views and positions that may not surface in group hearings for political and other reasons. ---The one on one's give a view into the undercurrents and nuances in the committee proceedings preparing us not to react but respond effectively. 4. Have a unified agenda and scenarios for both the fundamentals and specifics. --generalities and differences only serve to make the point that we are disorganised and don't know what we want. 5. Give specific line by line recommendations. --It easier to negotiate specifics 6. Educate the committee members about implications of each clause. --don't assume they know and or connect with your views and context. 7. This is going to be a hard, rough and windy road thus plan for both the best and worst outcomes. --Frastration is a key strategy in the making of sausages that lawmaking is. 8. That even within the sector we will detractors, armchair critics and lone ranger self seekers. ---not everyone is saying what they mean and not few things are what they seem to be. 10. Focus on what people really need beyond what what they seem to seek. -- Be open to giving more than you expect to give and take much less than you bargain for. 11. Whoever hangs on long enough will have the best chance to win. --We've done it before and we can do it again and again if that's what it takes. On Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 9:21 AM Barry Macharia via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear All
This is back in parliament again
https://www.cio.co.ke/kenyas-controversial-ict-practitioners-bill-re-emerges...
regards Barry
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I say this in jest…perhaps what’s necessary is ‘How the Internet works’ primer. That would very quickly demystify the idea that there are certain people called ‘ICT Practitioners’.
On 19 Sep 2018, at 13:44, Thomas Kaberi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
This is a very contentious issue with multiple and divergent interests.
As Ali would put it Kila mwamba ngoma is going to vuta kwake
But let me start with congratulating you all for showing up to do this again, it clearly wasn't going to be a one time stand
On top of just fighting, this time we must be the ones to figure it out as well.
As some fight and others make noise and throw tantrums, while the majority flee and bury their heads -- in true Kenya style...
I have listed below 11 key lessons we could borrow from the previous lobbying efforts in the first round.
They are:
1. Find out the political reasons behind the bill --- there is always a few and they are the only ones that matter.
2. Work with the mover and chairs very very closely but don't forget the researchers, committee members and support staff. ---major influences oftenly ignored to the peril of many.
3. Lobby both one on one and committee. ---The members are smart human beings with personal views and positions that may not surface in group hearings for political and other reasons.
---The one on one's give a view into the undercurrents and nuances in the committee proceedings preparing us not to react but respond effectively.
4. Have a unified agenda and scenarios for both the fundamentals and specifics.
--generalities and differences only serve to make the point that we are disorganised and don't know what we want.
5. Give specific line by line recommendations. --It easier to negotiate specifics
6. Educate the committee members about implications of each clause. --don't assume they know and or connect with your views and context.
7. This is going to be a hard, rough and windy road thus plan for both the best and worst outcomes. --Frastration is a key strategy in the making of sausages that lawmaking is.
8. That even within the sector we will detractors, armchair critics and lone ranger self seekers.
---not everyone is saying what they mean and not few things are what they seem to be.
10. Focus on what people really need beyond what what they seem to seek. -- Be open to giving more than you expect to give and take much less than you bargain for.
11. Whoever hangs on long enough will have the best chance to win. --We've done it before and we can do it again and again if that's what it takes.
On Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 9:21 AM Barry Macharia via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Dear All
This is back in parliament again
https://www.cio.co.ke/kenyas-controversial-ict-practitioners-bill-re-emerges... <https://www.cio.co.ke/kenyas-controversial-ict-practitioners-bill-re-emerges/>
regards Barry
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I think the sole objective of the bill, is to define an “ICT practitioner”. The only plausible reason people would be so keen to define this… well, Ill leave this up for discussion. ;-) Regards, Collins Areba, Kilifi, Kenya. Tel: +254 707 750 788 / 0731 750 788 Twitter: @arebacollins. Skype: arebacollins On 20 Sep 2018, 1:09 PM +0300, kanini mutemi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>, wrote:
I say this in jest…perhaps what’s necessary is ‘How the Internet works’ primer. That would very quickly demystify the idea that there are certain people called ‘ICT Practitioners’.
On 19 Sep 2018, at 13:44, Thomas Kaberi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
This is a very contentious issue with multiple and divergent interests.
As Ali would put it Kila mwamba ngoma is going to vuta kwake
But let me start with congratulating you all for showing up to do this again, it clearly wasn't going to be a one time stand
On top of just fighting, this time we must be the ones to figure it out as well.
As some fight and others make noise and throw tantrums, while the majority flee and bury their heads -- in true Kenya style...
I have listed below 11 key lessons we could borrow from the previous lobbying efforts in the first round.
They are:
1. Find out the political reasons behind the bill --- there is always a few and they are the only ones that matter.
2. Work with the mover and chairs very very closely but don't forget the researchers, committee members and support staff. ---major influences oftenly ignored to the peril of many.
3. Lobby both one on one and committee. ---The members are smart human beings with personal views and positions that may not surface in group hearings for political and other reasons.
---The one on one's give a view into the undercurrents and nuances in the committee proceedings preparing us not to react but respond effectively.
4. Have a unified agenda and scenarios for both the fundamentals and specifics.
--generalities and differences only serve to make the point that we are disorganised and don't know what we want.
5. Give specific line by line recommendations. --It easier to negotiate specifics
6. Educate the committee members about implications of each clause. --don't assume they know and or connect with your views and context.
7. This is going to be a hard, rough and windy road thus plan for both the best and worst outcomes. --Frastration is a key strategy in the making of sausages that lawmaking is.
8. That even within the sector we will detractors, armchair critics and lone ranger self seekers.
---not everyone is saying what they mean and not few things are what they seem to be.
10. Focus on what people really need beyond what what they seem to seek. -- Be open to giving more than you expect to give and take much less than you bargain for.
11. Whoever hangs on long enough will have the best chance to win. --We've done it before and we can do it again and again if that's what it takes.
On Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 9:21 AM Barry Macharia via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear All
This is back in parliament again
https://www.cio.co.ke/kenyas-controversial-ict-practitioners-bill-re-emerges...
regards Barry
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Let's wait for the bill to be published. Then we can connect the dots to interrogate both motive and players. Before the final doc is on the floor and we are reading it line by line our speculation may isolate potential allies. Some of the views from last time was to 1. get ahead of politicians 2. and draft a law that is holistic and progressive, it's too late for the no. 1 we can work with the good Hon. Otsoro to make no. 2 happen. I actually think he was very courteous to tell us about the bill before he brought it to the house That's a very good sign of an open minded and progressive legislator. And it's a good point to start. On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 1:54 PM Collins Areba via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I think the sole objective of the bill, is to define an “ICT practitioner”.
The only plausible reason people would be so keen to define this… well, Ill leave this up for discussion. ;-)
Regards,
Collins Areba, Kilifi, Kenya. Tel: +*254 707 750 788* / *0731 750 788* Twitter: @arebacollins. Skype: arebacollins On 20 Sep 2018, 1:09 PM +0300, kanini mutemi via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>, wrote:
I say this in jest…perhaps what’s necessary is ‘How the Internet works’ primer. That would very quickly demystify the idea that there are certain people called ‘ICT Practitioners’.
On 19 Sep 2018, at 13:44, Thomas Kaberi via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
This is a very contentious issue with multiple and divergent interests.
As Ali would put it Kila mwamba ngoma is going to vuta kwake
But let me start with congratulating you all for showing up to do this again, it clearly wasn't going to be a one time stand
On top of just fighting, this time we must be the ones to figure it out as well.
As some fight and others make noise and throw tantrums, while the majority flee and bury their heads -- in true Kenya style...
I have listed below 11 key lessons we could borrow from the previous lobbying efforts in the first round.
They are:
1. Find out the political reasons behind the bill --- there is always a few and they are the only ones that matter.
2. Work with the mover and chairs very very closely but don't forget the researchers, committee members and support staff. ---major influences oftenly ignored to the peril of many.
3. Lobby both one on one and committee. ---The members are smart human beings with personal views and positions that may not surface in group hearings for political and other reasons.
---The one on one's give a view into the undercurrents and nuances in the committee proceedings preparing us not to react but respond effectively.
4. Have a unified agenda and scenarios for both the fundamentals and specifics.
--generalities and differences only serve to make the point that we are disorganised and don't know what we want.
5. Give specific line by line recommendations. --It easier to negotiate specifics
6. Educate the committee members about implications of each clause. --don't assume they know and or connect with your views and context.
7. This is going to be a hard, rough and windy road thus plan for both the best and worst outcomes. --Frastration is a key strategy in the making of sausages that lawmaking is.
8. That even within the sector we will detractors, armchair critics and lone ranger self seekers.
---not everyone is saying what they mean and not few things are what they seem to be.
10. Focus on what people really need beyond what what they seem to seek. -- Be open to giving more than you expect to give and take much less than you bargain for.
11. Whoever hangs on long enough will have the best chance to win. --We've done it before and we can do it again and again if that's what it takes.
On Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 9:21 AM Barry Macharia via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear All
This is back in parliament again
https://www.cio.co.ke/kenyas-controversial-ict-practitioners-bill-re-emerges...
regards Barry
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Hi Thomas, Its Hon Godfrey Osotsi, not Osoro. Regards On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 21:14 Thomas Kaberi via kictanet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Let's wait for the bill to be published.
Then we can connect the dots to interrogate both motive and players.
Before the final doc is on the floor and we are reading it line by line our speculation may isolate potential allies.
Some of the views from last time was to 1. get ahead of politicians
2. and draft a law that is holistic and progressive,
it's too late for the no. 1 we can work with the good Hon. Otsoro to make no. 2 happen.
I actually think he was very courteous to tell us about the bill before he brought it to the house
That's a very good sign of an open minded and progressive legislator.
And it's a good point to start.
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 1:54 PM Collins Areba via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I think the sole objective of the bill, is to define an “ICT practitioner”.
The only plausible reason people would be so keen to define this… well, Ill leave this up for discussion. ;-)
Regards,
Collins Areba, Kilifi, Kenya. Tel: +*254 707 750 788* / *0731 750 788* Twitter: @arebacollins. Skype: arebacollins On 20 Sep 2018, 1:09 PM +0300, kanini mutemi via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>, wrote:
I say this in jest…perhaps what’s necessary is ‘How the Internet works’ primer. That would very quickly demystify the idea that there are certain people called ‘ICT Practitioners’.
On 19 Sep 2018, at 13:44, Thomas Kaberi via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
This is a very contentious issue with multiple and divergent interests.
As Ali would put it Kila mwamba ngoma is going to vuta kwake
But let me start with congratulating you all for showing up to do this again, it clearly wasn't going to be a one time stand
On top of just fighting, this time we must be the ones to figure it out as well.
As some fight and others make noise and throw tantrums, while the majority flee and bury their heads -- in true Kenya style...
I have listed below 11 key lessons we could borrow from the previous lobbying efforts in the first round.
They are:
1. Find out the political reasons behind the bill --- there is always a few and they are the only ones that matter.
2. Work with the mover and chairs very very closely but don't forget the researchers, committee members and support staff. ---major influences oftenly ignored to the peril of many.
3. Lobby both one on one and committee. ---The members are smart human beings with personal views and positions that may not surface in group hearings for political and other reasons.
---The one on one's give a view into the undercurrents and nuances in the committee proceedings preparing us not to react but respond effectively.
4. Have a unified agenda and scenarios for both the fundamentals and specifics.
--generalities and differences only serve to make the point that we are disorganised and don't know what we want.
5. Give specific line by line recommendations. --It easier to negotiate specifics
6. Educate the committee members about implications of each clause. --don't assume they know and or connect with your views and context.
7. This is going to be a hard, rough and windy road thus plan for both the best and worst outcomes. --Frastration is a key strategy in the making of sausages that lawmaking is.
8. That even within the sector we will detractors, armchair critics and lone ranger self seekers.
---not everyone is saying what they mean and not few things are what they seem to be.
10. Focus on what people really need beyond what what they seem to seek. -- Be open to giving more than you expect to give and take much less than you bargain for.
11. Whoever hangs on long enough will have the best chance to win. --We've done it before and we can do it again and again if that's what it takes.
On Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 9:21 AM Barry Macharia via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear All
This is back in parliament again
https://www.cio.co.ke/kenyas-controversial-ict-practitioners-bill-re-emerges...
regards Barry
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Thanks Barrack for the heads-up. Well Noted On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 7:44 PM Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Thomas,
Its Hon Godfrey Osotsi, not Osoro.
Regards
On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 21:14 Thomas Kaberi via kictanet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Let's wait for the bill to be published.
Then we can connect the dots to interrogate both motive and players.
Before the final doc is on the floor and we are reading it line by line our speculation may isolate potential allies.
Some of the views from last time was to 1. get ahead of politicians
2. and draft a law that is holistic and progressive,
it's too late for the no. 1 we can work with the good Hon. Otsoro to make no. 2 happen.
I actually think he was very courteous to tell us about the bill before he brought it to the house
That's a very good sign of an open minded and progressive legislator.
And it's a good point to start.
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 1:54 PM Collins Areba via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I think the sole objective of the bill, is to define an “ICT practitioner”.
The only plausible reason people would be so keen to define this… well, Ill leave this up for discussion. ;-)
Regards,
Collins Areba, Kilifi, Kenya. Tel: +*254 707 750 788* / *0731 750 788* Twitter: @arebacollins. Skype: arebacollins On 20 Sep 2018, 1:09 PM +0300, kanini mutemi via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>, wrote:
I say this in jest…perhaps what’s necessary is ‘How the Internet works’ primer. That would very quickly demystify the idea that there are certain people called ‘ICT Practitioners’.
On 19 Sep 2018, at 13:44, Thomas Kaberi via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
This is a very contentious issue with multiple and divergent interests.
As Ali would put it Kila mwamba ngoma is going to vuta kwake
But let me start with congratulating you all for showing up to do this again, it clearly wasn't going to be a one time stand
On top of just fighting, this time we must be the ones to figure it out as well.
As some fight and others make noise and throw tantrums, while the majority flee and bury their heads -- in true Kenya style...
I have listed below 11 key lessons we could borrow from the previous lobbying efforts in the first round.
They are:
1. Find out the political reasons behind the bill --- there is always a few and they are the only ones that matter.
2. Work with the mover and chairs very very closely but don't forget the researchers, committee members and support staff. ---major influences oftenly ignored to the peril of many.
3. Lobby both one on one and committee. ---The members are smart human beings with personal views and positions that may not surface in group hearings for political and other reasons.
---The one on one's give a view into the undercurrents and nuances in the committee proceedings preparing us not to react but respond effectively.
4. Have a unified agenda and scenarios for both the fundamentals and specifics.
--generalities and differences only serve to make the point that we are disorganised and don't know what we want.
5. Give specific line by line recommendations. --It easier to negotiate specifics
6. Educate the committee members about implications of each clause. --don't assume they know and or connect with your views and context.
7. This is going to be a hard, rough and windy road thus plan for both the best and worst outcomes. --Frastration is a key strategy in the making of sausages that lawmaking is.
8. That even within the sector we will detractors, armchair critics and lone ranger self seekers.
---not everyone is saying what they mean and not few things are what they seem to be.
10. Focus on what people really need beyond what what they seem to seek. -- Be open to giving more than you expect to give and take much less than you bargain for.
11. Whoever hangs on long enough will have the best chance to win. --We've done it before and we can do it again and again if that's what it takes.
On Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 9:21 AM Barry Macharia via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear All
This is back in parliament again
https://www.cio.co.ke/kenyas-controversial-ict-practitioners-bill-re-emerges...
regards Barry
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Hon Godfrey seems to be the man behind this new attempt. As someone who's known to me, I will closely follow up with him to know the motive On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 7:12 AM Thomas Kaberi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Thanks Barrack for the heads-up. Well Noted
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 7:44 PM Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Thomas,
Its Hon Godfrey Osotsi, not Osoro.
Regards
On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 21:14 Thomas Kaberi via kictanet, <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Let's wait for the bill to be published.
Then we can connect the dots to interrogate both motive and players.
Before the final doc is on the floor and we are reading it line by line our speculation may isolate potential allies.
Some of the views from last time was to 1. get ahead of politicians
2. and draft a law that is holistic and progressive,
it's too late for the no. 1 we can work with the good Hon. Otsoro to make no. 2 happen.
I actually think he was very courteous to tell us about the bill before he brought it to the house
That's a very good sign of an open minded and progressive legislator.
And it's a good point to start.
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 1:54 PM Collins Areba via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I think the sole objective of the bill, is to define an “ICT practitioner”.
The only plausible reason people would be so keen to define this… well, Ill leave this up for discussion. ;-)
Regards,
Collins Areba, Kilifi, Kenya. Tel: +254 707 750 788 / 0731 750 788 Twitter: @arebacollins. Skype: arebacollins On 20 Sep 2018, 1:09 PM +0300, kanini mutemi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>, wrote:
I say this in jest…perhaps what’s necessary is ‘How the Internet works’ primer. That would very quickly demystify the idea that there are certain people called ‘ICT Practitioners’.
On 19 Sep 2018, at 13:44, Thomas Kaberi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
This is a very contentious issue with multiple and divergent interests.
As Ali would put it Kila mwamba ngoma is going to vuta kwake
But let me start with congratulating you all for showing up to do this again, it clearly wasn't going to be a one time stand
On top of just fighting, this time we must be the ones to figure it out as well.
As some fight and others make noise and throw tantrums, while the majority flee and bury their heads -- in true Kenya style...
I have listed below 11 key lessons we could borrow from the previous lobbying efforts in the first round.
They are:
1. Find out the political reasons behind the bill --- there is always a few and they are the only ones that matter.
2. Work with the mover and chairs very very closely but don't forget the researchers, committee members and support staff. ---major influences oftenly ignored to the peril of many.
3. Lobby both one on one and committee. ---The members are smart human beings with personal views and positions that may not surface in group hearings for political and other reasons.
---The one on one's give a view into the undercurrents and nuances in the committee proceedings preparing us not to react but respond effectively.
4. Have a unified agenda and scenarios for both the fundamentals and specifics.
--generalities and differences only serve to make the point that we are disorganised and don't know what we want.
5. Give specific line by line recommendations. --It easier to negotiate specifics
6. Educate the committee members about implications of each clause. --don't assume they know and or connect with your views and context.
7. This is going to be a hard, rough and windy road thus plan for both the best and worst outcomes. --Frastration is a key strategy in the making of sausages that lawmaking is.
8. That even within the sector we will detractors, armchair critics and lone ranger self seekers.
---not everyone is saying what they mean and not few things are what they seem to be.
10. Focus on what people really need beyond what what they seem to seek. -- Be open to giving more than you expect to give and take much less than you bargain for.
11. Whoever hangs on long enough will have the best chance to win. --We've done it before and we can do it again and again if that's what it takes.
On Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 9:21 AM Barry Macharia via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear All
This is back in parliament again
https://www.cio.co.ke/kenyas-controversial-ict-practitioners-bill-re-emerges...
regards Barry
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-- ---------- Don't wait for success; hunt it down like there's no tomorrow.
I think it's a very valid point. A lot of proposals around regulation of the sector are pointers to huge knowledge gaps as to what. And how the industry works. It happened even at MZs hearings so we do need to be on the same page about who and or what is being regulated before we go to how best to do it. On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 1:08 PM kanini mutemi via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I say this in jest…perhaps what’s necessary is ‘How the Internet works’ primer. That would very quickly demystify the idea that there are certain people called ‘ICT Practitioners’.
On 19 Sep 2018, at 13:44, Thomas Kaberi via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
This is a very contentious issue with multiple and divergent interests.
As Ali would put it Kila mwamba ngoma is going to vuta kwake
But let me start with congratulating you all for showing up to do this again, it clearly wasn't going to be a one time stand
On top of just fighting, this time we must be the ones to figure it out as well.
As some fight and others make noise and throw tantrums, while the majority flee and bury their heads -- in true Kenya style...
I have listed below 11 key lessons we could borrow from the previous lobbying efforts in the first round.
They are:
1. Find out the political reasons behind the bill --- there is always a few and they are the only ones that matter.
2. Work with the mover and chairs very very closely but don't forget the researchers, committee members and support staff. ---major influences oftenly ignored to the peril of many.
3. Lobby both one on one and committee. ---The members are smart human beings with personal views and positions that may not surface in group hearings for political and other reasons.
---The one on one's give a view into the undercurrents and nuances in the committee proceedings preparing us not to react but respond effectively.
4. Have a unified agenda and scenarios for both the fundamentals and specifics.
--generalities and differences only serve to make the point that we are disorganised and don't know what we want.
5. Give specific line by line recommendations. --It easier to negotiate specifics
6. Educate the committee members about implications of each clause. --don't assume they know and or connect with your views and context.
7. This is going to be a hard, rough and windy road thus plan for both the best and worst outcomes. --Frastration is a key strategy in the making of sausages that lawmaking is.
8. That even within the sector we will detractors, armchair critics and lone ranger self seekers.
---not everyone is saying what they mean and not few things are what they seem to be.
10. Focus on what people really need beyond what what they seem to seek. -- Be open to giving more than you expect to give and take much less than you bargain for.
11. Whoever hangs on long enough will have the best chance to win. --We've done it before and we can do it again and again if that's what it takes.
On Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 9:21 AM Barry Macharia via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear All
This is back in parliament again
https://www.cio.co.ke/kenyas-controversial-ict-practitioners-bill-re-emerges...
regards Barry
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participants (9)
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Ali Hussein -
Barrack Otieno -
Barry Macharia -
Collins Areba -
Hannington Oduor -
kanini mutemi -
Peter Osotsi -
Phares Kariuki -
Thomas Kaberi