Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Re: PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests
For Your Information, Those intending to continue with this conversation please remove ke-users <ke-internetusers@bdix.net> from your circulation. I have just suspended John from that mailing list and we do not wish to receive any more messages under this thread. Thank you Alex Gakuru On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com> wrote:
John,
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2008/10/7 John Maina <j.maina@ymail.com>:
And you dont have to boast of your Kenyanness because having an American Tatoo will never make me an American nor is having to exploit a young ignorant African
----- Original Message ---- From: Crystal Watley <crystal@voicesofafrica.org> To: nicholasnesbitt <nnesbitt@kencall.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>; ke-users <ke-internetusers@bdix.net> Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2008 7:34:47 PM Subject: [ke-internetusers] Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests
Again. I like honesty. I know how a real Kenyan lives, obviously there is much you don't know about me, and I would never use a personal smear in such a discussion. Well, then maybe you are RIGHT. If that is the mark of a Kenyan.
I have suffered poverty and hunger in the village alongside women. I have carried water on my head for kilometers. Every day for over a year I hiked everywhere with my three year old daughter tied to my back in a kanga.
Sir, what is the mark of a Kenyan?
I have given everything I owned to Kenya twice. Once when I moved here and once when I had to evacuate the post-election violence. How many would be willing to give up everything they owned and live in poverty in a rural village to understand Kenya?
I respect you as a professional, but you have no right to judge my "Kenyanness" through a list forum.
Thank you.
Crystal
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 11:13 AM, nicholasnesbitt <nnesbitt@kencall.com> wrote:
I agree totally. Sounds like someone needs to do something more productive than try to insinuate there is anything wrong here with Kenya becoming a more investor friendly and respectful environment... Perhaps this person needs to put their own money where their mouth is and then they will get a very different perspective about how they would like their money to be used if they were to invest in anything substantial in Kenya... It is Econet's investors' money. It is not Kenya's money... Do we want the investment in Kenya, the competition, the jobs, the participation of Essar, or do we want to play a nationalistic game based on rich and passively investing Kenyans getting the lion's share of someone's investment in Kenya, just because they are powerful and the law mandates that they they should have a piece of someone else's hard earned investment? The wananchi wouldn't share in any Econet investment even if it were still required by the law to have a local partner, it would be some Mobiletea kinds of individuals who would slide up to Econet and scare them into partnering with the locals... just the same way as it always has been in Kenya and in such countries that adopt such market distorting and investment unfriendly policies... Bravo, Daktari Ndemo!
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Fastest Growing Top 100 company On Oct 7, 2008, at 7:01 PM, Crystal Watley wrote:
I have known Dr. Ndemo for some time now and have found him to be nothing less than a man of integrity. I have seen his name drawn through the mud next to other politicians in the past. Let me be very honest and frank in this matter.
When are we in Kenya going to get past this political mud slinging and look at the actual WORK performance of our leaders? When I watch the news I see very few Kenyan political leaders really working. They are always campaigning and pretending THAT is their job. In many cases it IS their way of making money, although it is NOT what we pay them for doing.
Most of our political leaders do not have the ACTUAL work performance record of Dr. Ndemo. We know the long hours he works. I have been in his office at 7 am and at 7 pm. Those of us of who know him have seen this is the rule NOT the exception.
Someday I hope in Kenya we understand we must judge everyone in public office by their actual work PERFORMANCE. Politicians are OUR employees. They work for the people of Kenya. They should be judged as an employer views an employee. How hard are they working for develoment? What good comes from their initiatives? Are they professional? Are they in the office working? We need to set higher standards for our government. This is not accomplished by breaking the good ones down.
Asante sana.
Crystal
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <brian@caret.net> wrote:
Smells like a smear campaign to me.
I see nothing that Ndemo has done wrong.
B
On Oct 7, 2008, at 8:43 AM, John Maina wrote:
http://www.wananchiforums.com/showthread.php?p=3150#post3150
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Dear All,
I am catching up with the ongoing debate but rather late.Much as it is right for me to ventilate my personal views openly without fear, it is also my duty to have courtesy and decorum. I may be wrong but better discuss the emotive issue with PS Ndemo in his office rather than engage him and stakeholders through the internet showdown.
Good day!
David S. Malaba
--- On Tue, 10/7/08, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Re: PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests
> To: sdmalaba@yahoo.com
> Cc: "ke-users" <ke-internetusers@bdix.net>, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 10:28 AM
> For Your Information,
>
> Those intending to continue with this conversation please
> remove
> ke-users <ke-internetusers@bdix.net> from your
> circulation.
> I have just suspended John from that mailing list and we do
> not wish
> to receive any more messages under this thread.
>
> Thank you
>
> Alex Gakuru
>
> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Alex Gakuru
> <gakuru@gmail.com> wrote:
> > John,
> >
> > I am afraid I am forced to suspend your subscription
> from this list
> > and will not allow this conversation to continue.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Alex
> >
> > 2008/10/7 John Maina <j.maina@ymail.com>:
> >> And you dont have to boast of your Kenyanness
> because having an American
> >> Tatoo will never make me an American nor is having
> to exploit a young
> >> ignorant African
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----
> >> From: Crystal Watley
> <crystal@voicesofafrica.org>
> >> To: nicholasnesbitt <nnesbitt@kencall.com>
> >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>;
> >> ke-users <ke-internetusers@bdix.net>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2008 7:34:47 PM
> >> Subject: [ke-internetusers] Re: [kictanet] PS
> Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand
> >> Vested Interests
> >>
> >> Again. I like honesty. I know how a real Kenyan
> lives, obviously there is
> >> much you don't know about me, and I would
> never use a personal smear in such
> >> a discussion. Well, then maybe you are RIGHT. If
> that is the mark of a
> >> Kenyan.
> >>
> >> I have suffered poverty and hunger in the village
> alongside women. I have
> >> carried water on my head for kilometers. Every day
> for over a year I hiked
> >> everywhere with my three year old daughter tied to
> my back in a kanga.
> >>
> >> Sir, what is the mark of a Kenyan?
> >>
> >> I have given everything I owned to Kenya twice.
> Once when I moved here and
> >> once when I had to evacuate the post-election
> violence. How many would be
> >> willing to give up everything they owned and live
> in poverty in a rural
> >> village to understand Kenya?
> >>
> >> I respect you as a professional, but you have no
> right to judge my
> >> "Kenyanness" through a list forum.
> >>
> >> Thank you.
> >>
> >> Crystal
> >>
> >> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 11:13 AM, nicholasnesbitt
> <nnesbitt@kencall.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I agree totally.
> >>> Sounds like someone needs to do something more
> productive than try to
> >>> insinuate there is anything wrong here with
> Kenya becoming a more investor
> >>> friendly and respectful environment...
> Perhaps this person needs to put
> >>> their own money where their mouth is and then
> they will get a very different
> >>> perspective about how they would like their
> money to be used if they were to
> >>> invest in anything substantial in Kenya...
> >>> It is Econet's investors' money. It
> is not Kenya's money...
> >>> Do we want the investment in Kenya, the
> competition, the jobs, the
> >>> participation of Essar, or do we want to play
> a nationalistic game based on
> >>> rich and passively investing Kenyans getting
> the lion's share of someone's
> >>> investment in Kenya, just because they are
> powerful and the law mandates
> >>> that they they should have a piece of someone
> else's hard earned investment?
> >>> The wananchi wouldn't share in any Econet
> investment even if it were still
> >>> required by the law to have a local partner,
> it would be some Mobiletea
> >>> kinds of individuals who would slide up to
> Econet and scare them into
> >>> partnering with the locals... just the same
> way as it always has been in
> >>> Kenya and in such countries that adopt such
> market distorting and investment
> >>> unfriendly policies...
> >>> Bravo, Daktari Ndemo!
> >>>
> >>> Nicholas A. Nesbitt
> >>> Chief Executive Officer
> >>> KenCall EPZ Ltd
> >>> P.O. Box 27507 - 00506
> >>> Sameer Industrial Park, Mombasa Road
> >>> Nairobi, Kenya
> >>> +254.20.660.2000 (office)
> >>> +254.20.660.2222 (fax)
> >>> +254.721.458.458 (cell)
> >>> nnesbitt@kencall.com
> >>> www.kencall.com
> >>> BEST Non-European Contact Centre 2008
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Fastest Growing Top 100 company
> >>> On Oct 7, 2008, at 7:01 PM, Crystal Watley
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I have known Dr. Ndemo for some time now and
> have found him to be nothing
> >>> less than a man of integrity. I have seen his
> name drawn through the mud
> >>> next to other politicians in the past. Let me
> be very honest and frank in
> >>> this matter.
> >>>
> >>> When are we in Kenya going to get past this
> political mud slinging and
> >>> look at the actual WORK performance of our
> leaders? When I watch the news I
> >>> see very few Kenyan political leaders really
> working. They are always
> >>> campaigning and pretending THAT is their job.
> In many cases it IS their way
> >>> of making money, although it is NOT what we
> pay them for doing.
> >>>
> >>> Most of our political leaders do not have the
> ACTUAL work performance
> >>> record of Dr. Ndemo. We know the long hours he
> works. I have been in his
> >>> office at 7 am and at 7 pm. Those of us of who
> know him have seen this is
> >>> the rule NOT the exception.
> >>>
> >>> Someday I hope in Kenya we understand we must
> judge everyone in public
> >>> office by their actual work PERFORMANCE.
> Politicians are OUR employees. They
> >>> work for the people of Kenya. They should be
> judged as an employer views an
> >>> employee. How hard are they working for
> develoment? What good comes from
> >>> their initiatives? Are they professional? Are
> they in the office working? We
> >>> need to set higher standards for our
> government. This is not accomplished by
> >>> breaking the good ones down.
> >>>
> >>> Asante sana.
> >>>
> >>> Crystal
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Brian Munyao
> Longwe <brian@caret.net>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Smells like a smear campaign to me.
> >>>>
> >>>> I see nothing that Ndemo has done wrong.
> >>>>
> >>>> B
> >>>>
> >>>> On Oct 7, 2008, at 8:43 AM, John Maina
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> >
> http://www.wananchiforums.com/showthread.php?p=3150#post3150
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
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> >> Voices of Africa
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