Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests
Gachui What is this list for? Can we please discuss issues with open heart. One claimed that this list is not the police. Is this list also parliament to discuss bills? Please lets all handle issues openly because if we be discriminative and very rigid then we will be going nowhere JM ----- Original Message ---- From: gachuhi anthony <gachuhi.anthony@gmail.com> To: j.maina@ymail.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 7:16:22 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests Moderator Is there a way off having an online poll to know where we stand maybe from there we may be able to know who is for or against the policies being discussed. Then we can give reasons as I don't think this a list to decide who is more kenyan than the other its about what will affect us all Tony On 10/16/08, Wainaina Mungai <wainaina@madeinkenya.org> wrote:
Dear all,
What is the desired outcome of this very energised thread? (Select one)
A: That the PS (I&C) announce that policies shall be developed in an open, transparent and consultative manner. He also must organise a forum to kickstart non-emotive talks by mid-November.
B: That PS Ndemo resigns and is replaced with a person of your choice.
C: That the Econet licence, Kencall licence and related MoUs, contracts signed by PS (I&C) be cancelled.
D: That all stakeholders Govt., KICTANET, KIF, CA, etc organise an "ICT Investment" policy forum to be held in Nairobi around mid- November 2008.
I hope this shall help us focus on defining and achieving a common goal so that we desist from personal attacks on integrity, racial profiling and so on...
Good day, Wainaina
On 10/16/08, Joseph Manthi <jmanthi@gmail.com> wrote:
Edith,There are some useful lessons - but these lessons do not include:
1. How to give away your national treasures - like bandwidth - to foreign entities just because they say they can not do any business with local entrepreneurs. In fact I know this for a fact, you would never get a license to operate in UAE if this was your argument. Further to this lesson I would like to point to these additional countries that would laugh you out of town if you made that argument - US (some businesses like Airline, Military and Defense, Telecommunications (not ISP), Radio & TV), India, Singapore, Malaysia, Taiwan, Hong Kong, China, the whole of Middle East, South Africa, Japan (especially Japan)
2. How not be conned. Kenya seems to heading there with its eyes opened. When a man approaches a woman, it would be a very stupid woman, who knowing what a man is capable of, to accept the BS that the man is feeding her. And if she does then she deserves what she gets. Kenya will get what it deserves and very soon. A good example is Russia and its oligarchs - all members of the Forbes Richest.
3. Great leadership is necessary to grow a country. A leadership with intestinal fortitude to say no under pressure. Top to bottom,
4. That the local mwananchi can invest in their own country and manage its growth
5. That a great nation looks upon its diaspora to grow it - a la Israel and India
6. That a great nation does not wait to be raped twice - We seem to be following a process that will guarantee our raping despite how Kenyan some members of this committee think they are. Its just a matter of time before they pick up their bags and leave. I really do not think that as a national planner I should be putting my eggs in that basket.
Joe
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 4:55 PM, <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Anyone has taken the time to thoroughly study the secret behind Dubai's tremendous growth? (U.A.E in general). There are some useful lessons!
---- Original Message ---- From: j.maina@ymail.com To: eadera@idrc.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:03:50 -0700 (PDT)
Lizette
I think that you have racially inclined your mind.
When did KENCALL directors become Kenyans? After getting good friends to bribe their way to this country. And let me tell you that the money the so called investors are using are Kenyan money not money from foreign banks.
They have come and borrowed from Kenyan banks. How much does the most profitable telecomms companies leave in this country, very small amount. We have Telecomms companies which are on their marks. They have very inferior systems and dont actually deliver in service but make billions and run away with the billions.
Dada Lizette, we know that there are Kenyans who are white, black
coloured and all but know that I am a mixed race Kenyan and really sad when our brotehrs have to suffer because of bad policies from people like PS > >JM > > > >----- Original Message ---- >From: Lizette Kraft <lfkraft@gmail.com> >To: j.maina@ymail.com >Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> >Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 1:52:07 PM >Subject: [kictanet] Fwd: PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests > > >Just my two pennies worth here. > >Kenya is not an Island that it can survive on its own even through local investment. Most times we dont have the funds. I do agree though about the Government and banks not supporting local investors with loans etc. They must start giving them the opportunity to setup local expertise and turn them in money making ventures, if only they wouldn't fleece their own companies. Even America, the giant needs investors!!! You all have a valid point but use it for the best interests of Kenya and its people first and foremost. Not just self interest for the few. And by the way Kenyans come in all shapes, sizes, COLOURS, and creed. So please don't generalise who is kenyan and who is not!!! Kencall directors and owners are Kenyan and not outsiders if I understand correctly. When we are taxed whether individually or coorporately, the money is used for Kenya and Kenyans and not for outsiders who invested! Forcing local partnership in foreign owned companies has > its negative and positive effects. >This needs to be look at more seriously to make it a win-win situation. It has been known in the past that foreign investors with forced local partnership have been subjected to threats and intimidation by the local partners when they wanted more than their fare share, (given to them mind you). Thus the weariness o >of being forced now. This does not attract any investor. But the foreigners should not fleece the country either! > >Let us have some constructive critisism without being racially inclined. Fight to make things right no matter what but without pinpointing nationalities or colours of people. > > > > >On 10/7/08, John Maina <j.maina@ymail.com> wrote: >http://www.wananchiforums.com/showthread.php?p=3150#poest3150 > >_______________________________________________ >kictanet mailing list >kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke >http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > >This message was sent to: lfkraft@gmail.com >Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/lfkraft%40gmail. com > > > > >-- >Lizette Kraft >P.O. Box 18488, 00500 >Nairobi, Kenya >Cell: 0722-800362 > > >
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