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Eh!! Alex,I didn't know such figures existed thats interesting.I will visit there offices and ask.Tomorrow I should have an answer. Best Regards, Jose' Njuki-Imwe Ngunjiri || +254 722 336754 || ----- Original Message ---- From: Alex Gakuru <alex.gakuru@yahoo.com> To: ngunjirijnr@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 4:07:50 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Sasanet not working? There were 400 million sms sent were from Safaricom and Celtel in (NOTE) 2005 when we had about half the current 8 GSM million subscribers. At 5/= per sms this amounts to shs 2 billion additional revenue to the networks. Assuming per user texting levels remained in 2006 when the subscribers doubled then the number of sms could have also doubled, implying shillings 4 billion to the two (Telkom CDMA sms of shillings 2.5 may not have had a big impact). SMS traffic usually increases wherever affordability lessens...... but I am looking for the actual data. Considering a company such as Kenya Breweries' annual profits last year were 1 billion, I am convinced it would not be unreasonable nor unfair to ascertain the real reasons why *little* sasanet is down? We only want to ascertain that no extraneous forces are at play here than we are all happy to have this piece of information. Regards, Alex Judy Okite <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote: In simpler English, Sasanet gives its subscribers an opportunity to send 10 sms's free to the local network(celtel or safcom)a total of 90 characters...then an advert takes up the rest of the characters,to make 160(a norm sms). For this service to be provided..sasanet fully depends on the sposnsors(adverts),like any other business definately you cannot give your clients the real reason as to why the services are not available.........but there are no sponsors...as per now to support the free sms......if any one one has been using this services,frequently,then you can agree that it has been an ON/OFF...kind of service...but since its free why make noise? just keep checking till it works......So there's no need to panic, it has nothing to with AT&T or something fishy,reading between the lines..... Kind Regards, On 2/21/07, Jose' <ngunjirijnr@yahoo.com> wrote: Hi Walu, What Alex is expressing is the free sms service that sasanet gives.Everything else is up and running except the free sms service thats why we use it. I copied and pasted this from the site FYI "Due to a system upgrade that is currently in progress, the Sasanet Free sms service and purchase of sms credits are temporarily unavailable. Please check back again later." We sincerely apologise for any inconvenience caused, but strive to continually improve our service to you. Best Regards, Njuki-Imwe ----- Original Message ---- From: John Walubengo <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: ngunjirijnr@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:45:48 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Sasanet not working? well, am not a subscriber to them - i got jittery when their registration form had too many of what I thought were personal questions without equivalent demonstration of how they would secure my data... Nway, I just checked their website and it is up and running...so what do you mean when you say they are no longer working? walu. --- Alex Gakuru <alex.gakuru@yahoo.com> wrote:
Wouldn't you be curious to find out a very popular free internet-based www.sasanet.co.ke is now no longer working? I wonder why?
/Alex
Mike Theuri <mike.theuri@gmail.com> wrote: Alex,
Thank you for sharing the blog on the anti-consumer setting in the country. The blog has very useful information that is not being shared with Kenyan consumers and it is key that consumer rights are upheld. Your blog out to be brought to more attention of key stakeholders in ICT and to consumers alike.
Yes, the Ministry and CCK are best placed to authoritatively comment on such an issue. However I believe that what AT&T is discontinuing is the ability to use a "call back" number from Kenya to the US. It is very likely that the call back numbers which are 0800 numbers are no longer profitable for AT&T especially given that they cost as high as $3/min. Technically they are supposed to be cheaper to use than if one was to "call back" the US direct from any other country be it Kenya or the UK. However with AT&T's rate to call the US from Kenya as high as it is and with local providers beating their tariffs they may have opted to drop this service. What this might do, is it might leave AT&T US based
cards for what would otherwise be exorbitant prices.
The wording of the AT&T notice on the lack of no future support for calls originating from Kenya wasn't very clear and after some digging around it appears that it referred to users of AT&T who utilize call back services while traveling overseas, it might just be due to stiff competition now that VOIP has been deregulated and tariffs have fallen (though not low enough) and that no one in their right mind would be willing to pay $3+ per minute for a call to the US when for a extremely small fraction one could make the same phone call at a lower rate.
Even then the tariffs in general are not fair enough for Kenyan consumers and it is an uphill battle to enforce changes when some of the largest tax
customers unable to call the US using their AT&T calling payers happen to be
communication providers. It is unthinkable that the government would do much to jeopardize a large and steady tax revenue stream to save the honorable consumer. Increasingly huge profits in a formerly depressed and now recovering economy like ours raise the question whether the consumer is getting a fair deal. It is akin to oil companies making several times over some nations GDP in profits and claiming that they are struggling themselves and offering the best prices possible. Price regulation in the industry is something that should be looked into to further to try and strike a fair balance between consumers needs and investors return on equity.
Mike
On 2/18/07, Alex Gakuru <alex.gakuru@yahoo.com> wrote: Mike:
Although this is a consumer issue, you may notice we have quite some domestic wars with the prevailing anti-consumer setting, http://ictconsumer.blogspot.com/ for example.
By engaging foreign networks, I am afraid the ICT Consumers Association of Kenya could be considered acting ultra vires thus the Ministry of Information and Communications, CCK, and perhaps also Foreign Affairs are best suited to comment.
Would a provocative question, like "why has a private US telco unilaterally cut-off communication from Kenya to the US jeopardizing both a basic human right and the national outsourcing strategy" earn a quick response from government?
rgds,
Alex
Mike Theuri <mike.theuri@gmail.com > wrote: As an after thought, this may mean calls dialed through this number which by itself is a very expensive option and which may reflect the effects of voip and lowered costs of international calls:
Kenya 0-800-2201-15 (608)
On 2/18/07, Mike Theuri <mike.theuri@gmail.com > wrote: Does anyone know why the below might be the case ? AT&T printed this in small print on bills sent to customer in January. Considering that AT&T is the largest telco in the US this is a serious issue :
International Call Origination: Effective March 1, 2007, our International Call Origination service will change. Current access numbers for calls originating internationally will change. Please visit att.com/dialing-guide to print the new dialing-guide for your reference; or call the number on your bill to order a new dialing guide. Calls from Kenya to US will no longer be supported. International to international calling from St. Martin will no longer be supported. Also, International service will be expanded to over 60 additional countries. To find out rates and countries where we provide service, please visit att.com/intl-rates.
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Hi all, Alex may have a point about there being some foul play involved wih sasanet. But there are others who provide a similar service. Check out http://www.afritext.com/. They also let you send 10 free sms a day but there is a catch. You must buy credits from them at least once a month (I think). Joan Walumbe ----- Original Message ----- From: Jose' To: Kenya ICT Action Network - KICTANet Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Sasanet not working? Eh!! Alex,I didn't know such figures existed thats interesting.I will visit there offices and ask.Tomorrow I should have an answer. Best Regards, Jose' Njuki-Imwe Ngunjiri || +254 722 336754 || ----- Original Message ---- From: Alex Gakuru <alex.gakuru@yahoo.com> To: ngunjirijnr@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 4:07:50 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Sasanet not working? There were 400 million sms sent were from Safaricom and Celtel in (NOTE) 2005 when we had about half the current 8 GSM million subscribers. At 5/= per sms this amounts to shs 2 billion additional revenue to the networks. Assuming per user texting levels remained in 2006 when the subscribers doubled then the number of sms could have also doubled, implying shillings 4 billion to the two (Telkom CDMA sms of shillings 2.5 may not have had a big impact). SMS traffic usually increases wherever affordability lessens...... but I am looking for the actual data. Considering a company such as Kenya Breweries' annual profits last year were 1 billion, I am convinced it would not be unreasonable nor unfair to ascertain the real reasons why *little* sasanet is down? We only want to ascertain that no extraneous forces are at play here than we are all happy to have this piece of information. Regards, Alex Judy Okite <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote: In simpler English, Sasanet gives its subscribers an opportunity to send 10 sms's free to the local network(celtel or safcom)a total of 90 characters...then an advert takes up the rest of the characters,to make 160(a norm sms). For this service to be provided..sasanet fully depends on the sposnsors(adverts),like any other business definately you cannot give your clients the real reason as to why the services are not available.........but there are no sponsors...as per now to support the free sms......if any one one has been using this services,frequently,then you can agree that it has been an ON/OFF...kind of service...but since its free why make noise? just keep checking till it works......So there's no need to panic, it has nothing to with AT&T or something fishy,reading between the lines..... Kind Regards, On 2/21/07, Jose' <ngunjirijnr@yahoo.com> wrote: Hi Walu, What Alex is expressing is the free sms service that sasanet gives.Everything else is up and running except the free sms service thats why we use it. I copied and pasted this from the site FYI "Due to a system upgrade that is currently in progress, the Sasanet Free sms service and purchase of sms credits are temporarily unavailable. Please check back again later." We sincerely apologise for any inconvenience caused, but strive to continually improve our service to you. Best Regards, Njuki-Imwe ----- Original Message ---- From: John Walubengo <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: ngunjirijnr@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:45:48 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Sasanet not working? well, am not a subscriber to them - i got jittery when their registration form had too many of what I thought were personal questions without equivalent demonstration of how they would secure my data... Nway, I just checked their website and it is up and running...so what do you mean when you say they are no longer working? walu. --- Alex Gakuru <alex.gakuru@yahoo.com> wrote: > Wouldn't you be curious to find out a very popular free > internet-based www.sasanet.co.ke is now no longer > working? I wonder why? > > /Alex > > Mike Theuri <mike.theuri@gmail.com> wrote: Alex, > > Thank you for sharing the blog on the anti-consumer > setting in the country. The blog has very useful > information that is not being shared with Kenyan > consumers and it is key that consumer rights are upheld. > Your blog out to be brought to more attention of key > stakeholders in ICT and to consumers alike. > > Yes, the Ministry and CCK are best placed to > authoritatively comment on such an issue. However I > believe that what AT&T is discontinuing is the ability to > use a "call back" number from Kenya to the US. It is very > likely that the call back numbers which are 0800 numbers > are no longer profitable for AT&T especially given that > they cost as high as $3/min. Technically they are > supposed to be cheaper to use than if one was to "call > back" the US direct from any other country be it Kenya or > the UK. However with AT&T's rate to call the US from > Kenya as high as it is and with local providers beating > their tariffs they may have opted to drop this service. > What this might do, is it might leave AT&T US based > customers unable to call the US using their AT&T calling > cards for what would otherwise be exorbitant prices. > > The wording of the AT&T notice on the lack of no future > support for calls originating from Kenya wasn't very > clear and after some digging around it appears that it > referred to users of AT&T who utilize call back services > while traveling overseas, it might just be due to stiff > competition now that VOIP has been deregulated and > tariffs have fallen (though not low enough) and that no > one in their right mind would be willing to pay $3+ per > minute for a call to the US when for a extremely small > fraction one could make the same phone call at a lower > rate. > > Even then the tariffs in general are not fair enough for > Kenyan consumers and it is an uphill battle to enforce > changes when some of the largest tax payers happen to be > communication providers. It is unthinkable that the > government would do much to jeopardize a large and steady > tax revenue stream to save the honorable consumer. > Increasingly huge profits in a formerly depressed and now > recovering economy like ours raise the question whether > the consumer is getting a fair deal. It is akin to oil > companies making several times over some nations GDP in > profits and claiming that they are struggling themselves > and offering the best prices possible. Price regulation > in the industry is something that should be looked into > to further to try and strike a fair balance between > consumers needs and investors return on equity. > > Mike > > On 2/18/07, Alex Gakuru <alex.gakuru@yahoo.com> wrote: > Mike: > > Although this is a consumer issue, you may notice we have > quite some domestic wars with the prevailing > anti-consumer setting, http://ictconsumer.blogspot.com/ > for example. > > By engaging foreign networks, I am afraid the ICT > Consumers Association of Kenya could be considered acting > ultra vires thus the Ministry of Information and > Communications, CCK, and perhaps also Foreign Affairs are > best suited to comment. > > Would a provocative question, like "why has a private US > telco unilaterally cut-off communication from Kenya to > the US jeopardizing both a basic human right and the > national outsourcing strategy" earn a quick response from > government? > > rgds, > > Alex > > Mike Theuri <mike.theuri@gmail.com > wrote: As an after > thought, this may mean calls dialed through this number > which by itself is a very expensive option and which may > reflect the effects of voip and lowered costs of > international calls: > > Kenya 0-800-2201-15 (608) > > On 2/18/07, Mike Theuri <mike.theuri@gmail.com > wrote: > Does anyone know why the below might be the case ? AT&T > printed this in small print on bills sent to customer in > January. Considering > that AT&T is the largest telco in the US this is a > serious issue : > > International Call Origination: > Effective March 1, 2007, our International Call > Origination service will change. Current access > numbers for calls originating internationally > will change. Please visit att.com/dialing-guide > to print the new dialing-guide for your reference; > or call the number on your bill to order a new > dialing guide. Calls from Kenya to US will > no longer be supported. International to > international calling from St. Martin will no > longer be supported. Also, International > service will be expanded to over 60 additional > countries. 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It is working now alright BUT .... Goodbye to Free SMS? Joan Walumbe <jwalumbe@globalnetcorps.org> wrote: DIV { MARGIN: 0px } Hi all, Alex may have a point about there being some foul play involved wih sasanet. But there are others who provide a similar service. Check out http://www.afritext.com/. They also let you send 10 free sms a day but there is a catch. You must buy credits from them at least once a month (I think). Joan Walumbe ----- Original Message ----- From: Jose' To: Kenya ICT Action Network - KICTANet Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Sasanet not working? Eh!! Alex,I didn't know such figures existed thats interesting.I will visit there offices and ask.Tomorrow I should have an answer. Best Regards, Jose' Njuki-Imwe Ngunjiri || +254 722 336754 || ----- Original Message ---- From: Alex Gakuru <alex.gakuru@yahoo.com> To: ngunjirijnr@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 4:07:50 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Sasanet not working? There were 400 million sms sent were from Safaricom and Celtel in (NOTE) 2005 when we had about half the current 8 GSM million subscribers. At 5/= per sms this amounts to shs 2 billion additional revenue to the networks. Assuming per user texting levels remained in 2006 when the subscribers doubled then the number of sms could have also doubled, implying shillings 4 billion to the two (Telkom CDMA sms of shillings 2.5 may not have had a big impact). SMS traffic usually increases wherever affordability lessens...... but I am looking for the actual data. Considering a company such as Kenya Breweries' annual profits last year were 1 billion, I am convinced it would not be unreasonable nor unfair to ascertain the real reasons why *little* sasanet is down? We only want to ascertain that no extraneous forces are at play here than we are all happy to have this piece of information. Regards, Alex Judy Okite <judyokite@gmail.com> wrote: In simpler English, Sasanet gives its subscribers an opportunity to send 10 sms's free to the local network(celtel or safcom)a total of 90 characters...then an advert takes up the rest of the characters,to make 160(a norm sms). For this service to be provided..sasanet fully depends on the sposnsors(adverts),like any other business definately you cannot give your clients the real reason as to why the services are not available.........but there are no sponsors...as per now to support the free sms......if any one one has been using this services,frequently,then you can agree that it has been an ON/OFF...kind of service...but since its free why make noise? just keep checking till it works......So there's no need to panic, it has nothing to with AT&T or something fishy,reading between the lines..... Kind Regards, On 2/21/07, Jose' <ngunjirijnr@yahoo.com> wrote: Hi Walu, What Alex is expressing is the free sms service that sasanet gives.Everything else is up and running except the free sms service thats why we use it. I copied and pasted this from the site FYI "Due to a system upgrade that is currently in progress, the Sasanet Free sms service and purchase of sms credits are temporarily unavailable. Please check back again later." We sincerely apologise for any inconvenience caused, but strive to continually improve our service to you. Best Regards, Njuki-Imwe ----- Original Message ---- From: John Walubengo <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: ngunjirijnr@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:45:48 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Sasanet not working? well, am not a subscriber to them - i got jittery when their registration form had too many of what I thought were personal questions without equivalent demonstration of how they would secure my data... Nway, I just checked their website and it is up and running...so what do you mean when you say they are no longer working? walu. --- Alex Gakuru <alex.gakuru@yahoo.com> wrote:
Wouldn't you be curious to find out a very popular free internet-based www.sasanet.co.ke is now no longer working? I wonder why?
/Alex
Mike Theuri <mike.theuri@gmail.com> wrote: Alex,
Thank you for sharing the blog on the anti-consumer setting in the country. The blog has very useful information that is not being shared with Kenyan consumers and it is key that consumer rights are upheld. Your blog out to be brought to more attention of key stakeholders in ICT and to consumers alike.
Yes, the Ministry and CCK are best placed to authoritatively comment on such an issue. However I believe that what AT&T is discontinuing is the ability to use a "call back" number from Kenya to the US. It is very likely that the call back numbers which are 0800 numbers are no longer profitable for AT&T especially given that they cost as high as $3/min. Technically they are supposed to be cheaper to use than if one was to "call back" the US direct from any other country be it Kenya or the UK. However with AT&T's rate to call the US from Kenya as high as it is and with local providers beating their tariffs they may have opted to drop this service. What this might do, is it might leave AT&T US based customers unable to call the US using their AT&T calling cards for what would otherwise be exorbitant prices.
The wording of the AT&T notice on the lack of no future support for calls originating from Kenya wasn't very clear and after some digging around it appears that it referred to users of AT&T who utilize call back services while traveling overseas, it might just be due to stiff competition now that VOIP has been deregulated and tariffs have fallen (though not low enough) and that no one in their right mind would be willing to pay $3+ per minute for a call to the US when for a extremely small fraction one could make the same phone call at a lower rate.
Even then the tariffs in general are not fair enough for Kenyan consumers and it is an uphill battle to enforce changes when some of the largest tax payers happen to be communication providers. It is unthinkable that the government would do much to jeopardize a large and steady tax revenue stream to save the honorable consumer. Increasingly huge profits in a formerly depressed and now recovering economy like ours raise the question whether the consumer is getting a fair deal. It is akin to oil companies making several times over some nations GDP in profits and claiming that they are struggling themselves and offering the best prices possible. Price regulation in the industry is something that should be looked into to further to try and strike a fair balance between consumers needs and investors return on equity.
Mike
On 2/18/07, Alex Gakuru <alex.gakuru@yahoo.com> wrote: Mike:
Although this is a consumer issue, you may notice we have quite some domestic wars with the prevailing anti-consumer setting, http://ictconsumer.blogspot.com/ for example.
By engaging foreign networks, I am afraid the ICT Consumers Association of Kenya could be considered acting ultra vires thus the Ministry of Information and Communications, CCK, and perhaps also Foreign Affairs are best suited to comment.
Would a provocative question, like "why has a private US telco unilaterally cut-off communication from Kenya to the US jeopardizing both a basic human right and the national outsourcing strategy" earn a quick response from government?
rgds,
Alex
Mike Theuri <mike.theuri@gmail.com > wrote: As an after thought, this may mean calls dialed through this number which by itself is a very expensive option and which may reflect the effects of voip and lowered costs of international calls:
Kenya 0-800-2201-15 (608)
On 2/18/07, Mike Theuri <mike.theuri@gmail.com > wrote: Does anyone know why the below might be the case ? AT&T printed this in small print on bills sent to customer in January. Considering that AT&T is the largest telco in the US this is a serious issue :
International Call Origination: Effective March 1, 2007, our International Call Origination service will change. Current access numbers for calls originating internationally will change. Please visit att.com/dialing-guide to print the new dialing-guide for your reference; or call the number on your bill to order a new dialing guide. Calls from Kenya to US will no longer be supported. International to international calling from St. Martin will no longer be supported. Also, International service will be expanded to over 60 additional countries. To find out rates and countries where we provide service, please visit att.com/intl-rates.
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Last week on Wed 21st/Thrs 22nd, I had the opportunity to attend the above regional (East African) meeting on eHealth at the Nairobi Safari Club. Member states (Ke, Ug, Tz, Rw, & Burundi) were showcasing their eHealth projects and sharing experiences. As usual, Rwanda's experience was way ahead of the pack. The chaps are pretty focused and have established eHealth Task forces that have been on the ground for over five years. The have a comprehensive (Vision, Mission, Objective, Activities, etc) eHealth Strategy that is well integrated into their National Health Plan (Solved their Budget/Funding Wars that way). Amongst some of the acitivities they have implemented was to link up their three National Referral Hospitals with fiber and are running Telemedicine & Other applications such as: Doctor-to-Doctor Consultations, Doctor-to-patient consultations(e.g. sharing digitized X-rays), Drug Inventory Control & Monitoring, Blood Bank Control & Monitoring, Epidemic Surveillance amongst others. They are currently looking forward to mapping their Health Information Systems (HIMS) onto a Geographical Information Systems (GIS) in order to extract 'Health-Intelligence' from their data. For example, using the two systems, they would be able to 'see' why consumption of Malaria drugs is higher in some locations as compared to the other - probably due to the surrounding swampy conditions. This would get their Health managers to intervene by way of treating the swampy conditions rather than just increasing the stock levels of Malaria drugs for that region. {I think that is clever} It always beats me:- How comes we are having to learn from Rwanda every now and then and yet we are supposedly the 'big brother'? walu. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather
Walu, John Walubengo wrote:
It always beats me:- How comes we are having to learn from Rwanda every now and then and yet we are supposedly the 'big brother'?
Maybe we talk too much? ;) I first heard of tele-medicine back in 2001 - 2002, its been 5yrs since not sure how much has been done as a result of the forums and discussions held back then. -- Michuki Mwangi KENIC
Hello, I too had a chance to attend the same workshop .And relate to what Walu is saying.I have studied many African countries and I can simply state that the difference between Kenya and the likes of Rwanda and Namibia is that Kenya we are GREAT In policy making BUT not as GREAT when it comes to implementation! Kenya got GREAT plans/policies but challenged when it comes to fast implementation. SA ,Namibia Morocco,Egypt, Tunisia and the Rwandas of Africa have their govt supporting ICT fully, same here our government does , but then why is the implementation speed so low. What must we do to expedite implementing of these.. WE NEED ACTION ACTION ACTION!! albest, Pauline
Last week on Wed 21st/Thrs 22nd, I had the opportunity to attend the above regional (East African) meeting on eHealth at the Nairobi Safari Club. Member states (Ke, Ug, Tz, Rw, & Burundi) were showcasing their eHealth projects and sharing experiences.
As usual, Rwanda's experience was way ahead of the pack. The chaps are pretty focused and have established eHealth Task forces that have been on the ground for over five years. The have a comprehensive (Vision, Mission, Objective, Activities, etc) eHealth Strategy that is well integrated into their National Health Plan (Solved their Budget/Funding Wars that way).
Amongst some of the acitivities they have implemented was to link up their three National Referral Hospitals with fiber and are running Telemedicine & Other applications such as: Doctor-to-Doctor Consultations, Doctor-to-patient consultations(e.g. sharing digitized X-rays), Drug Inventory Control & Monitoring, Blood Bank Control & Monitoring, Epidemic Surveillance amongst others.
They are currently looking forward to mapping their Health Information Systems (HIMS) onto a Geographical Information Systems (GIS) in order to extract 'Health-Intelligence' from their data. For example, using the two systems, they would be able to 'see' why consumption of Malaria drugs is higher in some locations as compared to the other - probably due to the surrounding swampy conditions. This would get their Health managers to intervene by way of treating the swampy conditions rather than just increasing the stock levels of Malaria drugs for that region. {I think that is clever}
It always beats me:- How comes we are having to learn from Rwanda every now and then and yet we are supposedly the 'big brother'?
walu.
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Dear Colleagues, Rwanda is not where they are by accident, neither is it by fluke! I can attribute their success to four main factors: Right policies, careful planning, strategic thinking and leadership. From the onset, ICT was strategically positioned in the countries development agenda and, therefore, part of the development effort. As a result ICT has been embedded in the sector strategies (Health, Agriculture, Trade etc) and is no longer considered as ICT for its sake. For one, this guarantees that sectorial ICT initiatives are allocated funds from the national budget under their respective ministry as opposed to having the Ministry of IC to justify the use of ICT in Agriculture! Try convincing treasury to equip Agricultural extension workers with PDAs for collecting data while in the field, then you will understand what I'm saying. If you look at the structure of Rwanda's NICI 2005-2010, it has a total of about 256 programmes, with sub-programmes which form their eGov strategy. Now these programmes are all "owned" by sector ministries and agencies and not by Rwanda IT Authority (RITA) whose role is only to co-ordinate, monitor and support. This strategy removes the ICT-bias in the implementation of the programmes and focuses the deliverables to the sectorial ICT needs and requirements as articulated by the domain experts in the said sector. This way, ICT becomes a developmental tool acceptable by all and easier to fund, as opposed to being a geeky fad! Projects and programmes are owned and driven by the users (demand driven) as opposed to the ICT experts (supply driven). Then of cource there is the leadership thing, ICT in Rwanda is driven by President Kagame himself; play around with ICT and you face his wrath! As one of the presenters at the eHealth workshop said, the demand for implementation of these projects is driven by the leadership and not "us" the techies! So pressure is on the techies to deliver to the leadership! Which I suspect is the other way round in our case. Regards Harry NB: I have the NICI 2005-2010 for those interested. It's a big doc to share on the list. -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+harry=africanedevelopment.org@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=africanedevelopment.org@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Pauline Muthigani Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 9:13 AM To: harry@africanedevelopment.org Subject: Re: [kictanet] 2-Day eHealth Workshop closes with a suprise Hello, I too had a chance to attend the same workshop .And relate to what Walu is saying.I have studied many African countries and I can simply state that the difference between Kenya and the likes of Rwanda and Namibia is that Kenya we are GREAT In policy making BUT not as GREAT when it comes to implementation! Kenya got GREAT plans/policies but challenged when it comes to fast implementation. SA ,Namibia Morocco,Egypt, Tunisia and the Rwandas of Africa have their govt supporting ICT fully, same here our government does , but then why is the implementation speed so low. What must we do to expedite implementing of these.. WE NEED ACTION ACTION ACTION!! albest, Pauline
Last week on Wed 21st/Thrs 22nd, I had the opportunity to attend the above regional (East African) meeting on eHealth at the Nairobi Safari Club. Member states (Ke, Ug, Tz, Rw, & Burundi) were showcasing their eHealth projects and sharing experiences.
As usual, Rwanda's experience was way ahead of the pack. The chaps are pretty focused and have established eHealth Task forces that have been on the ground for over five years. The have a comprehensive (Vision, Mission, Objective, Activities, etc) eHealth Strategy that is well integrated into their National Health Plan (Solved their Budget/Funding Wars that way).
Amongst some of the acitivities they have implemented was to link up their three National Referral Hospitals with fiber and are running Telemedicine & Other applications such as: Doctor-to-Doctor Consultations, Doctor-to-patient consultations(e.g. sharing digitized X-rays), Drug Inventory Control & Monitoring, Blood Bank Control & Monitoring, Epidemic Surveillance amongst others.
They are currently looking forward to mapping their Health Information Systems (HIMS) onto a Geographical Information Systems (GIS) in order to extract 'Health-Intelligence' from their data. For example, using the two systems, they would be able to 'see' why consumption of Malaria drugs is higher in some locations as compared to the other - probably due to the surrounding swampy conditions. This would get their Health managers to intervene by way of treating the swampy conditions rather than just increasing the stock levels of Malaria drugs for that region. {I think that is clever}
It always beats me:- How comes we are having to learn from Rwanda every now and then and yet we are supposedly the 'big brother'?
walu.
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Well said, Harry. We seriously need to pause and take a look at our current structure's and how we engage and disengage on policy and strategic issues. Who are the thinkers, players, implementers of strategy and who are the policy makers, can we separate policy and/from strategy? As we develop the performance contracts can we link these contracts to the strategy itself. In which case the Key objectives and success indicators are pegged to the President who then makes sure that the success rate of each objective is adhered to cohesively and holistically. This is not a task that can be delegated away from the CEO of the country. As this is an election year, I hope we can think through some of these existing challenges as we vote. We have some major challenges on implementation all around us, what we must remember is that the solution is related to matching competencies with job objectives or vise versa. My two cents. Njeri, On 3/27/07 11:43 AM, "Harry Hare" <harry@africanedevelopment.org> wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
Rwanda is not where they are by accident, neither is it by fluke! I can attribute their success to four main factors: Right policies, careful planning, strategic thinking and leadership. From the onset, ICT was strategically positioned in the countries development agenda and, therefore, part of the development effort. As a result ICT has been embedded in the sector strategies (Health, Agriculture, Trade etc) and is no longer considered as ICT for its sake.
For one, this guarantees that sectorial ICT initiatives are allocated funds from the national budget under their respective ministry as opposed to having the Ministry of IC to justify the use of ICT in Agriculture! Try convincing treasury to equip Agricultural extension workers with PDAs for collecting data while in the field, then you will understand what I'm saying.
If you look at the structure of Rwanda's NICI 2005-2010, it has a total of about 256 programmes, with sub-programmes which form their eGov strategy. Now these programmes are all "owned" by sector ministries and agencies and not by Rwanda IT Authority (RITA) whose role is only to co-ordinate, monitor and support. This strategy removes the ICT-bias in the implementation of the programmes and focuses the deliverables to the sectorial ICT needs and requirements as articulated by the domain experts in the said sector.
This way, ICT becomes a developmental tool acceptable by all and easier to fund, as opposed to being a geeky fad! Projects and programmes are owned and driven by the users (demand driven) as opposed to the ICT experts (supply driven).
Then of cource there is the leadership thing, ICT in Rwanda is driven by President Kagame himself; play around with ICT and you face his wrath! As one of the presenters at the eHealth workshop said, the demand for implementation of these projects is driven by the leadership and not "us" the techies! So pressure is on the techies to deliver to the leadership! Which I suspect is the other way round in our case.
Regards Harry NB: I have the NICI 2005-2010 for those interested. It's a big doc to share on the list.
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+harry=africanedevelopment.org@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=africanedevelopment.org@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Pauline Muthigani Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 9:13 AM To: harry@africanedevelopment.org Subject: Re: [kictanet] 2-Day eHealth Workshop closes with a suprise
Hello, I too had a chance to attend the same workshop .And relate to what Walu is saying.I have studied many African countries and I can simply state that the difference between Kenya and the likes of Rwanda and Namibia is that Kenya we are GREAT In policy making BUT not as GREAT when it comes to implementation! Kenya got GREAT plans/policies but challenged when it comes to fast implementation.
SA ,Namibia Morocco,Egypt, Tunisia and the Rwandas of Africa have their govt supporting ICT fully, same here our government does , but then why is the implementation speed so low. What must we do to expedite implementing of these.. WE NEED ACTION ACTION ACTION!!
albest,
Pauline
Last week on Wed 21st/Thrs 22nd, I had the opportunity to attend the above regional (East African) meeting on eHealth at the Nairobi Safari Club. Member states (Ke, Ug, Tz, Rw, & Burundi) were showcasing their eHealth projects and sharing experiences.
As usual, Rwanda's experience was way ahead of the pack. The chaps are pretty focused and have established eHealth Task forces that have been on the ground for over five years. The have a comprehensive (Vision, Mission, Objective, Activities, etc) eHealth Strategy that is well integrated into their National Health Plan (Solved their Budget/Funding Wars that way).
Amongst some of the acitivities they have implemented was to link up their three National Referral Hospitals with fiber and are running Telemedicine & Other applications such as: Doctor-to-Doctor Consultations, Doctor-to-patient consultations(e.g. sharing digitized X-rays), Drug Inventory Control & Monitoring, Blood Bank Control & Monitoring, Epidemic Surveillance amongst others.
They are currently looking forward to mapping their Health Information Systems (HIMS) onto a Geographical Information Systems (GIS) in order to extract 'Health-Intelligence' from their data. For example, using the two systems, they would be able to 'see' why consumption of Malaria drugs is higher in some locations as compared to the other - probably due to the surrounding swampy conditions. This would get their Health managers to intervene by way of treating the swampy conditions rather than just increasing the stock levels of Malaria drugs for that region. {I think that is clever}
It always beats me:- How comes we are having to learn from Rwanda every now and then and yet we are supposedly the 'big brother'?
walu.
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I would like to mention that we (Safaricom) will be commencing a trial of an e-medicine project with the GSMA (GSM Association) later this year using the mobile terminals as a means to collate, transfer and collect medical data for use in remote areas. A similar trial is underway in Rwanda now and I have managed to persuade the GSMA to allow and sponsor a similar trial here in Kenya. Regards, Michael CEO Safaricom Limited -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Pauline Muthigani Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 9:13 AM To: Michael Joseph Subject: Re: [kictanet] 2-Day eHealth Workshop closes with a suprise Hello, I too had a chance to attend the same workshop .And relate to what Walu is saying.I have studied many African countries and I can simply state that the difference between Kenya and the likes of Rwanda and Namibia is that Kenya we are GREAT In policy making BUT not as GREAT when it comes to implementation! Kenya got GREAT plans/policies but challenged when it comes to fast implementation. SA ,Namibia Morocco,Egypt, Tunisia and the Rwandas of Africa have their govt supporting ICT fully, same here our government does , but then why is the implementation speed so low. What must we do to expedite implementing of these.. WE NEED ACTION ACTION ACTION!! albest, Pauline
Last week on Wed 21st/Thrs 22nd, I had the opportunity to attend the above regional (East African) meeting on eHealth at the Nairobi Safari Club. Member states (Ke, Ug, Tz, Rw, & Burundi) were showcasing their eHealth projects and sharing experiences.
As usual, Rwanda's experience was way ahead of the pack. The chaps are pretty focused and have established eHealth Task forces that have been on the ground for over five years. The have a comprehensive (Vision, Mission, Objective, Activities, etc) eHealth Strategy that is well integrated into their National Health Plan (Solved their Budget/Funding Wars that way).
Amongst some of the acitivities they have implemented was to link up their three National Referral Hospitals with fiber and are running Telemedicine & Other applications such as: Doctor-to-Doctor Consultations, Doctor-to-patient consultations(e.g. sharing digitized X-rays), Drug Inventory Control & Monitoring, Blood Bank Control & Monitoring, Epidemic Surveillance amongst others.
They are currently looking forward to mapping their Health Information Systems (HIMS) onto a Geographical Information Systems (GIS) in order to extract 'Health-Intelligence' from their data. For example, using the two systems, they would be able to 'see' why consumption of Malaria drugs is higher in some locations as compared to the other - probably due to the surrounding swampy conditions. This would get their Health managers to intervene by way of treating the swampy conditions rather than just increasing the stock levels of Malaria drugs for that region. {I think that is clever}
It always beats me:- How comes we are having to learn from Rwanda every now and then and yet we are supposedly the 'big brother'?
walu.
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In short, if you(r) relative is unwell, ailment data will be managed by the celcos absent patient data and doctor confidentiality framework? To avoid talking too much, yes we could jump into this newest patchwork ICT solution, totally ignoring infoethics and the impact on consumers. Sorry, the system will fail and see where Kenya's patchwork ICT adoption in have consumers today? We have to talk, talk, talk until we finish talking. After all, was it not the reason we all assembled at Mombasa to conclude the ICT policy? [UNESCO Report on the ethical implications of identity management http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0014/001499/149992E.pdf ] Gakuru Michael Joseph <MJoseph@Safaricom.co.ke> wrote: I would like to mention that we (Safaricom) will be commencing a trial of an e-medicine project with the GSMA (GSM Association) later this year using the mobile terminals as a means to collate, transfer and collect medical data for use in remote areas. A similar trial is underway in Rwanda now and I have managed to persuade the GSMA to allow and sponsor a similar trial here in Kenya. Regards, Michael CEO Safaricom Limited -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Pauline Muthigani Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 9:13 AM To: Michael Joseph Subject: Re: [kictanet] 2-Day eHealth Workshop closes with a suprise Hello, I too had a chance to attend the same workshop .And relate to what Walu is saying.I have studied many African countries and I can simply state that the difference between Kenya and the likes of Rwanda and Namibia is that Kenya we are GREAT In policy making BUT not as GREAT when it comes to implementation! Kenya got GREAT plans/policies but challenged when it comes to fast implementation. SA ,Namibia Morocco,Egypt, Tunisia and the Rwandas of Africa have their govt supporting ICT fully, same here our government does , but then why is the implementation speed so low. What must we do to expedite implementing of these.. WE NEED ACTION ACTION ACTION!! albest, Pauline
Last week on Wed 21st/Thrs 22nd, I had the opportunity to attend the above regional (East African) meeting on eHealth at the Nairobi Safari Club. Member states (Ke, Ug, Tz, Rw, & Burundi) were showcasing their eHealth projects and sharing experiences.
As usual, Rwanda's experience was way ahead of the pack. The chaps are pretty focused and have established eHealth Task forces that have been on the ground for over five years. The have a comprehensive (Vision, Mission, Objective, Activities, etc) eHealth Strategy that is well integrated into their National Health Plan (Solved their Budget/Funding Wars that way).
Amongst some of the acitivities they have implemented was to link up their three National Referral Hospitals with fiber and are running Telemedicine & Other applications such as: Doctor-to-Doctor Consultations, Doctor-to-patient consultations(e.g. sharing digitized X-rays), Drug Inventory Control & Monitoring, Blood Bank Control & Monitoring, Epidemic Surveillance amongst others.
They are currently looking forward to mapping their Health Information Systems (HIMS) onto a Geographical Information Systems (GIS) in order to extract 'Health-Intelligence' from their data. For example, using the two systems, they would be able to 'see' why consumption of Malaria drugs is higher in some locations as compared to the other - probably due to the surrounding swampy conditions. This would get their Health managers to intervene by way of treating the swampy conditions rather than just increasing the stock levels of Malaria drugs for that region. {I think that is clever}
It always beats me:- How comes we are having to learn from Rwanda every now and then and yet we are supposedly the 'big brother'?
walu.
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There is always so much expected of the government but i though i know not what is in Govt's coffers nor pretend to speak for it, i think it will be hard to expect government to provide people with infrastructure and connectivity. The best it can do is get enabling policies, remove taxes but above all provide CONTENT-give people a reason to use ICTs as an alternative channel to government services like the recently launched public service job recruitment system. Then people like Safaricom will come in and say the phone can do banking, the phone is the doctors' tool, the phone is your job hunter and so on. Michael Joseph <MJoseph@Safaricom.co.ke> wrote: I would like to mention that we (Safaricom) will be commencing a trial of an e-medicine project with the GSMA (GSM Association) later this year using the mobile terminals as a means to collate, transfer and collect medical data for use in remote areas. A similar trial is underway in Rwanda now and I have managed to persuade the GSMA to allow and sponsor a similar trial here in Kenya. Regards, Michael CEO Safaricom Limited -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Pauline Muthigani Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 9:13 AM To: Michael Joseph Subject: Re: [kictanet] 2-Day eHealth Workshop closes with a suprise Hello, I too had a chance to attend the same workshop .And relate to what Walu is saying.I have studied many African countries and I can simply state that the difference between Kenya and the likes of Rwanda and Namibia is that Kenya we are GREAT In policy making BUT not as GREAT when it comes to implementation! Kenya got GREAT plans/policies but challenged when it comes to fast implementation. SA ,Namibia Morocco,Egypt, Tunisia and the Rwandas of Africa have their govt supporting ICT fully, same here our government does , but then why is the implementation speed so low. What must we do to expedite implementing of these.. WE NEED ACTION ACTION ACTION!! albest, Pauline
Last week on Wed 21st/Thrs 22nd, I had the opportunity to attend the above regional (East African) meeting on eHealth at the Nairobi Safari Club. Member states (Ke, Ug, Tz, Rw, & Burundi) were showcasing their eHealth projects and sharing experiences.
As usual, Rwanda's experience was way ahead of the pack. The chaps are pretty focused and have established eHealth Task forces that have been on the ground for over five years. The have a comprehensive (Vision, Mission, Objective, Activities, etc) eHealth Strategy that is well integrated into their National Health Plan (Solved their Budget/Funding Wars that way).
Amongst some of the acitivities they have implemented was to link up their three National Referral Hospitals with fiber and are running Telemedicine & Other applications such as: Doctor-to-Doctor Consultations, Doctor-to-patient consultations(e.g. sharing digitized X-rays), Drug Inventory Control & Monitoring, Blood Bank Control & Monitoring, Epidemic Surveillance amongst others.
They are currently looking forward to mapping their Health Information Systems (HIMS) onto a Geographical Information Systems (GIS) in order to extract 'Health-Intelligence' from their data. For example, using the two systems, they would be able to 'see' why consumption of Malaria drugs is higher in some locations as compared to the other - probably due to the surrounding swampy conditions. This would get their Health managers to intervene by way of treating the swampy conditions rather than just increasing the stock levels of Malaria drugs for that region. {I think that is clever}
It always beats me:- How comes we are having to learn from Rwanda every now and then and yet we are supposedly the 'big brother'?
walu.
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HI ALL The telemedicine concept started in 1990s and ITU was willing to sponsor trial projects as it did with telecentres. It is unfortunate that though we are good in policy making we are poor in implementation. In 1998 a local company was to sponsor atrial in Nairobi but the trial was frustrated at the last minute. The Government owns the public health institutions and it should be the first to experiment with the new technologies before the private sector adopts the technologies. Let the Government draw policies and guidelines from their working systems. I proposed a wide area network to ministry of health in 2004 to connect the referral hospitals but no response was given. ICT will ease the management of the health services and procurement of drugs throughout the country. The technical personnel should assist the government in rolling out the networks The ministry of infornation and communication is doing a commendable job in driving the OFC proposals for the benefit of the consumers. Njorohio Andrew Limo <andrew.limo@yahoo.com> wrote: There is always so much expected of the government but i though i know not what is in Govt's coffers nor pretend to speak for it, i think it will be hard to expect government to provide people with infrastructure and connectivity. The best it can do is get enabling policies, remove taxes but above all provide CONTENT-give people a reason to use ICTs as an alternative channel to government services like the recently launched public service job recruitment system. Then people like Safaricom will come in and say the phone can do banking, the phone is the doctors' tool, the phone is your job hunter and so on. Michael Joseph <MJoseph@Safaricom.co.ke> wrote: I would like to mention that we (Safaricom) will be commencing a trial of an e-medicine project with the GSMA (GSM Association) later this year using the mobile terminals as a means to collate, transfer and collect medical data for use in remote areas. A similar trial is underway in Rwanda now and I have managed to persuade the GSMA to allow and sponsor a similar trial here in Kenya. Regards, Michael CEO Safaricom Limited -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Pauline Muthigani Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 9:13 AM To: Michael Joseph Subject: Re: [kictanet] 2-Day eHealth Workshop closes with a suprise Hello, I too had a chance to attend the same workshop .And relate to what Walu is saying.I have studied many African countries and I can simply state that the difference between Kenya and the likes of Rwanda and Namibia is that Kenya we are GREAT In policy making BUT not as GREAT when it comes to implementation! Kenya got GREAT plans/policies but challenged when it comes to fast implementation. SA ,Namibia Morocco,Egypt, Tunisia and the Rwandas of Africa have their govt supporting ICT fully, same here our government does , but then why is the implementation speed so low. What must we do to expedite implementing of these.. WE NEED ACTION ACTION ACTION!! albest, Pauline
Last week on Wed 21st/Thrs 22nd, I had the opportunity to attend the above regional (East African) meeting on eHealth at the Nairobi Safari Club. Member states (Ke, Ug, Tz, Rw, & Burundi) were showcasing their eHealth projects and sharing experiences.
As usual, Rwanda's experience was way ahead of the pack. The chaps are pretty focused and have established eHealth Task forces that have been on the ground for over five years. The have a comprehensive (Vision, Mission, Objective, Activities, etc) eHealth Strategy that is well integrated into their National Health Plan (Solved their Budget/Funding Wars that way).
Amongst some of the acitivities they have implemented was to link up their three National Referral Hospitals with fiber and are running Telemedicine & Other applications such as: Doctor-to-Doctor Consultations, Doctor-to-patient consultations(e.g. sharing digitized X-rays), Drug Inventory Control & Monitoring, Blood Bank Control & Monitoring, Epidemic Surveillance amongst others.
They are currently looking forward to mapping their Health Information Systems (HIMS) onto a Geographical Information Systems (GIS) in order to extract 'Health-Intelligence' from their data. For example, using the two systems, they would be able to 'see' why consumption of Malaria drugs is higher in some locations as compared to the other - probably due to the surrounding swampy conditions. This would get their Health managers to intervene by way of treating the swampy conditions rather than just increasing the stock levels of Malaria drugs for that region. {I think that is clever}
It always beats me:- How comes we are having to learn from Rwanda every now and then and yet we are supposedly the 'big brother'?
walu.
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Hello, I too had a chance to attend the same workshop .And relate to what Walu is saying.I have studied many African countries and I can simply state that the difference between Kenya and the likes of Rwanda and Namibia is that Kenya we are GREAT In policy making BUT not as GREAT when it comes to implementation! Kenya got GREAT plans/policies but challenged when it comes to fast implementation. SA ,Namibia Morocco,Egypt, Tunisia and the Rwandas of Africa have their govt supporting ICT fully, same here our government does , but then why is the implementation speed so low. What must we do to expedite implementing of these.. WE NEED ACTION ACTION ACTION!! albest, Pauline
Last week on Wed 21st/Thrs 22nd, I had the opportunity to attend the above regional (East African) meeting on eHealth at the Nairobi Safari Club. Member states (Ke, Ug, Tz, Rw, & Burundi) were showcasing their eHealth projects and sharing experiences.
As usual, Rwanda's experience was way ahead of the pack. The chaps are pretty focused and have established eHealth Task forces that have been on the ground for over five years. The have a comprehensive (Vision, Mission, Objective, Activities, etc) eHealth Strategy that is well integrated into their National Health Plan (Solved their Budget/Funding Wars that way).
Amongst some of the acitivities they have implemented was to link up their three National Referral Hospitals with fiber and are running Telemedicine & Other applications such as: Doctor-to-Doctor Consultations, Doctor-to-patient consultations(e.g. sharing digitized X-rays), Drug Inventory Control & Monitoring, Blood Bank Control & Monitoring, Epidemic Surveillance amongst others.
They are currently looking forward to mapping their Health Information Systems (HIMS) onto a Geographical Information Systems (GIS) in order to extract 'Health-Intelligence' from their data. For example, using the two systems, they would be able to 'see' why consumption of Malaria drugs is higher in some locations as compared to the other - probably due to the surrounding swampy conditions. This would get their Health managers to intervene by way of treating the swampy conditions rather than just increasing the stock levels of Malaria drugs for that region. {I think that is clever}
It always beats me:- How comes we are having to learn from Rwanda every now and then and yet we are supposedly the 'big brother'?
walu.
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participants (11)
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Alex Gakuru -
Andrew Limo -
gathuri njorohio -
Harry Hare -
Joan Walumbe -
John Walubengo -
Jose' -
Michael Joseph -
Michuki Mwangi -
Njeri Rionge -
Pauline Muthigani