Wow what a storm, As mentioned earlier, it seems consultations were held but some stakeholders must have been left out, David you are right in proposing for meeting of stakeholders we are in the era of GNU's and all sides must be heard, bwana PS dont get tired of our "Peculiar" habits, i guess KIE should host meeting this since going by the thread this is a matter that touches on the national education curricula, the agenda should be to address "Contentious issues", i commend those who came up with the proposals that tickled our emotions Regards On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 4:45 PM, robert yawe <[email protected]> wrote:

Lets get it right the University teaches the basics the rest is for the student to find out "I give you the power to read and do al that appertains to this degree" not "with this degree thou shall be able to develop an erp system".

Many of us did out computer applications 101 on amstrad computers and apples, yet because we got good grounding you are able to quickly learn and utilise any new application be it wordstar, wordperfect, word or open office.

A driving school does not teach night driving or how to get out of mad, they give you the basics and you pick the rest, so lets stop throwing stones when we leave in glass houses.

Regards

Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya

Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

--- On *Wed, 2/12/09, DAI <[email protected]>* wrote:

From: DAI <[email protected]>

Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] ICDL and foreign certifications forbasiccomputer usage To: "Alex Gakuru" <[email protected]>, [email protected] Cc: "robert yawe" <[email protected]>, [email protected], "Evans Ikua" <[email protected]>, "ke-users" <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, 2 December, 2009, 10:54

Dear all,

There is a danger in involving a standardisation organisation such as KEBS who deals with product standards and other fixed standards in anything which deals with rapidly developing standards.

Kenya is currently suffering from the misconception that ICT education can be standardised in terms of the content. Therefore, some braindead universities are still living in the mid-1990's, while offering ICT-educations not even worth the paper they are distributed on. They are - however - able to defend their backwardness, in that it is standard !!!!

Thus, many universities teach Waterfall Model as development model for Software, even though that model died hard more than a decade ago after numerous billion dollar scandals.

Standards in terms of software development which actually reinvents itself almost every 5th year, shall deal with the standards on a meta level, and KEBS is not in gear at all, to handle such a challenge.

Let me be concrete: You can standardise software development by saying that there shall be planning processes. You can for instance carefully talk about the V-model for project development - but making it standard would kill the universities once again. They would now think "V-Model" every time they talk project development, instead of just thinking about what should be used !!

You can standardise by specifying that a certain way of looking at software production can be beneficiary. But don't make it standard. You are at high risk of locking into our educational system a smart, modern, well thought out model, which unfortunately turns into a dinosaur after only few years because of that better systems have evolved.

Therefore - Software Development IS a scientific area because of that it develops so very very fast. Therefore one cannot lock the standards down in heavy documents and books, but should rather standardise the framework in which the standards can be recorded.

In our little institute, we revise our educational material annually, and rest assured that we are some times changing up to 40% of the content - the market is changing that rapidly, and if we don't follow suit, we will not maintain our position, ahead of the crowd.

Therefore - please stay clear of standardisation organisations when we discuss software, unless you are ready to re-standardise some every 3-4th year.

Kind regards *Digital Age Institute Ltd. *David Svarrer

----- Original Message ----- *From:* Alex Gakuru <http://mc/[email protected]> *To:* [email protected] <http://mc/[email protected]> *Cc:* robert yawe <http://mc/[email protected]> ; [email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]>; Evans Ikua <http://mc/[email protected]> ; ke-users<http://mc/[email protected]>; DAI <http://mc/[email protected]> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:21 PM *Subject:* Re: [ke-internetusers] ICDL and foreign certifications forbasiccomputer usage

Asante Dr. Ndemo for scheduled meeting with KASNEB.

I am actually typing this message from Kenya Bureau of Standards where I have been attending a Technical Committee ("TC") meeting all morning. Incidentally, KEBS would be very interested in partnering with KASNEB on an ICT Standards examinable course( eg e-Learning, Security, software, telecommunication, etc).

Daktari, kindly share this with KASNEB CEO?

regards,

Alex

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:59 PM, <[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]>> wrote:

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Robert, I am meeting with KASNEB next week to consider a local equivalent syllabus. Before we started CPA locally, we had to contend with ACCA for some time. Bottom line we need standards now as we move into more IT enabled services. Our prospective customers need the standards to gauge from where we are starting.

I understand all you are saying although it is a challenge for us to start being more patriotic in all our endeavors.

Regards

Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry®

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