Hi, My son's kindle crashed and Amazon sent him a replacement which arrived a few days ago. Fortunately the customs fellow accepted that it is a computer device and therefore did not charge duty and VAT but I still needed to pay 6,000/- that was categorised as GOK charges which interestingly do not apply to books. In my understanding a kindle is a book and therefore it needs to be treated as such otherwise we are shooting ourselves in the leg as we talk about e-books for use in school. Yesterday at the launch of the Safaricom Cloud both Dr. Ndemo and Bob Collimore both emphasised e-book readers but if the cost of shipping in the readers is hindered by taxes all because someone at KRA refuses to move with the times both this visionaries will remain frustrated. Regards Its interested what a free meal can bring out Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
an ebooks reader is not a book like a hotel is not food. an ebooks is a digital product so the kra is right in billing for the hardware. On 10/27/11, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
My son's kindle crashed and Amazon sent him a replacement which arrived a few days ago.
Fortunately the customs fellow accepted that it is a computer device and therefore did not charge duty and VAT but I still needed to pay 6,000/- that was categorised as GOK charges which interestingly do not apply to books.
In my understanding a kindle is a book and therefore it needs to be treated as such otherwise we are shooting ourselves in the leg as we talk about e-books for use in school.
Yesterday at the launch of the Safaricom Cloud both Dr. Ndemo and Bob Collimore both emphasised e-book readers but if the cost of shipping in the readers is hindered by taxes all because someone at KRA refuses to move with the times both this visionaries will remain frustrated.
Regards
Its interested what a free meal can bring out
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
-- Regards, Mark Mwangi http://mwangy.wordpress.com
Were the GOK charges VAT,Import Duty, or Excise Duty or just handling charges by some other authority? If not the latter,then a clarification from KRA is required. John Kariuki Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+ngethe.kariuki2007=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 09:34:30 To: <ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] is an e-book a book? an ebooks reader is not a book like a hotel is not food. an ebooks is a digital product so the kra is right in billing for the hardware. On 10/27/11, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
My son's kindle crashed and Amazon sent him a replacement which arrived a few days ago.
Fortunately the customs fellow accepted that it is a computer device and therefore did not charge duty and VAT but I still needed to pay 6,000/- that was categorised as GOK charges which interestingly do not apply to books.
In my understanding a kindle is a book and therefore it needs to be treated as such otherwise we are shooting ourselves in the leg as we talk about e-books for use in school.
Yesterday at the launch of the Safaricom Cloud both Dr. Ndemo and Bob Collimore both emphasised e-book readers but if the cost of shipping in the readers is hindered by taxes all because someone at KRA refuses to move with the times both this visionaries will remain frustrated.
Regards
Its interested what a free meal can bring out
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Hi, Your analogy raises more questions than answers such as is e-mail mail? If by law sending a notification by mail or e-mail suffices as notification, and sending me an abusive SMS text is treated as if you did the same to my face then why is it that an e-book printed in e-ink is not treated in the same way as a book printed in ink? As definitions expand so should other related functions therefore in my case printed matter goes beyond paper and ink in as far as the expanded definition, therefore by extention an ebook is a book and a kindle is a form of printed matter and should be treated the same in so long as tax treatment is concerned. If you run a shop on ebay or amazon are you liable to taxation in Kenya? Is Safaricom liable to pay tax on its income from MPesa yet the transaction actually takes place in Germany? Questions, questions and more questions but where are the answers, I ask? Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2011, 9:34 Subject: Re: [kictanet] is an e-book a book? an ebooks reader is not a book like a hotel is not food. an ebooks is a digital product so the kra is right in billing for the hardware. On 10/27/11, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
My son's kindle crashed and Amazon sent him a replacement which arrived a few days ago.
Fortunately the customs fellow accepted that it is a computer device and therefore did not charge duty and VAT but I still needed to pay 6,000/- that was categorised as GOK charges which interestingly do not apply to books.
In my understanding a kindle is a book and therefore it needs to be treated as such otherwise we are shooting ourselves in the leg as we talk about e-books for use in school.
Yesterday at the launch of the Safaricom Cloud both Dr. Ndemo and Bob Collimore both emphasised e-book readers but if the cost of shipping in the readers is hindered by taxes all because someone at KRA refuses to move with the times both this visionaries will remain frustrated.
Regards
Its interested what a free meal can bring out
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
-- Regards, Mark Mwangi http://mwangy.wordpress.com
Hi, I think Mark's point of a Kindle being a device used to access e-books, as opposed to it being an e-book is valid. Another analogy that could illustrate the same is movies. I can watch a movie on my TV set, my laptop, my ipad etc but that doesn't make those devices movies. They are merely hardware devices that allow me to access the movie content... just like the Kindle enables me to access the contents of e-books. On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 9:31 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
Your analogy raises more questions than answers such as is e-mail mail?
If by law sending a notification by mail or e-mail suffices as notification, and sending me an abusive SMS text is treated as if you did the same to my face then why is it that an e-book printed in e-ink is not treated in the same way as a book printed in ink?
As definitions expand so should other related functions therefore in my case printed matter goes beyond paper and ink in as far as the expanded definition, therefore by extention an ebook is a book and a kindle is a form of printed matter and should be treated the same in so long as tax treatment is concerned.
If you run a shop on ebay or amazon are you liable to taxation in Kenya? Is Safaricom liable to pay tax on its income from MPesa yet the transaction actually takes place in Germany?
Questions, questions and more questions but where are the answers, I ask?
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> *To:* robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
*Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Saturday, 29 October 2011, 9:34
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] is an e-book a book?
an ebooks reader is not a book like a hotel is not food. an ebooks is a digital product so the kra is right in billing for the hardware.
Hi,
My son's kindle crashed and Amazon sent him a replacement which arrived a few days ago.
Fortunately the customs fellow accepted that it is a computer device and therefore did not charge duty and VAT but I still needed to pay 6,000/-
was categorised as GOK charges which interestingly do not apply to books.
In my understanding a kindle is a book and therefore it needs to be
as such otherwise we are shooting ourselves in the leg as we talk about e-books for use in school.
Yesterday at the launch of the Safaricom Cloud both Dr. Ndemo and Bob Collimore both emphasised e-book readers but if the cost of shipping in
On 10/27/11, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: that treated the
readers is hindered by taxes all because someone at KRA refuses to move with the times both this visionaries will remain frustrated.
Regards
Its interested what a free meal can bring out
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
-- Regards,
Mark Mwangi
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A Kindle being an ebook reader, with no other functionality, makes it more of a library of books than a laptop. A Kindle uses wireless connectivity<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_network>to enable users to shop for, download, browse, and read e-books <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-book>, newspapers, magazines, blogs, and other digital media <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_media>. [1] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Kindle#cite_note-0> The Kindle hardware devices use an E Ink <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_Ink> electronic paper <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_paper> display that shows up to 16 shades of gray, minimizes power use and simulates reading on paper On 1 November 2011 10:03, Anderson Levi <anderson.levi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I think Mark's point of a Kindle being a device used to access e-books, as opposed to it being an e-book is valid. Another analogy that could illustrate the same is movies. I can watch a movie on my TV set, my laptop, my ipad etc but that doesn't make those devices movies. They are merely hardware devices that allow me to access the movie content... just like the Kindle enables me to access the contents of e-books.
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 9:31 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
Hi,
Your analogy raises more questions than answers such as is e-mail mail?
If by law sending a notification by mail or e-mail suffices as notification, and sending me an abusive SMS text is treated as if you did the same to my face then why is it that an e-book printed in e-ink is not treated in the same way as a book printed in ink?
As definitions expand so should other related functions therefore in my case printed matter goes beyond paper and ink in as far as the expanded definition, therefore by extention an ebook is a book and a kindle is a form of printed matter and should be treated the same in so long as tax treatment is concerned.
If you run a shop on ebay or amazon are you liable to taxation in Kenya? Is Safaricom liable to pay tax on its income from MPesa yet the transaction actually takes place in Germany?
Questions, questions and more questions but where are the answers, I ask?
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> *To:* robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
*Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Saturday, 29 October 2011, 9:34
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] is an e-book a book?
an ebooks reader is not a book like a hotel is not food. an ebooks is a digital product so the kra is right in billing for the hardware.
Hi,
My son's kindle crashed and Amazon sent him a replacement which arrived a few days ago.
Fortunately the customs fellow accepted that it is a computer device and therefore did not charge duty and VAT but I still needed to pay 6,000/-
was categorised as GOK charges which interestingly do not apply to books.
In my understanding a kindle is a book and therefore it needs to be
as such otherwise we are shooting ourselves in the leg as we talk about e-books for use in school.
Yesterday at the launch of the Safaricom Cloud both Dr. Ndemo and Bob Collimore both emphasised e-book readers but if the cost of shipping in
On 10/27/11, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: that treated the
readers is hindered by taxes all because someone at KRA refuses to move with the times both this visionaries will remain frustrated.
Regards
Its interested what a free meal can bring out
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
-- Regards,
Mark Mwangi
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