Would sorting out physical addressing lead to exponential growth in Nairobi?
So Nairobi is the most advanced city in East and Central Africa.... So JP Morgan has just been granted a licence to setup a rep office in Nairobi.... So most of the iNGO's and corporates have set up in Nairobi.... So Nairobi is the pioneer in alternative payment systems aka mPesa.... But does the lack of a physical addressing system stifle the potential in Nairobi? CCN previously tried address most buildings in town, but no one ever quotes the "22 Kimathi Street" when corresponding. A majority of tech startups in Kenya today are web based, with mobile technology (payment systems) providing an overwhelming support system. A friend once quoted as saying 95% of his online payments were on mobile money. We have lots of tech companies that have tried building solutions to make it easier for Nairobi's consumers.... from ordering food online, to shopping, to casual labour, to ticketing... name it. But the achilles heel always remains addressing. Where do i as a tech startup owner send your goods to in Buruburu once you have bought? Or if i have a party and order for drinks online, how does someone deliver in some flats named "Pearl apartments" deep in langata on a nodescript dirt road? Would perhaps naming of streets and physical addressing help solve lots of issues in Nairobi as well as create many mid level startups and thus jobs that we are so desperately seeking?
Ask the people who deliver things? Naked Pizza and Hashmi have stored my address with my phone number - and yes, it contains my formal street address plus the details on how to find it. When I place an order, they reconfirm that I'm still at the same address. Plus their delivery person usually has my phone number with him just in case he gets lost (yay for technology - and pizza, obvs). I think it's a bit more tedious the first time you order when you have to give detailed directions - but if a company is smart and saves those, then that cuts down on processing time with each additional order. On 20 May 2013 12:49, Andy G <andy.gesora@gmail.com> wrote:
So Nairobi is the most advanced city in East and Central Africa.... So JP Morgan has just been granted a licence to setup a rep office in Nairobi.... So most of the iNGO's and corporates have set up in Nairobi.... So Nairobi is the pioneer in alternative payment systems aka mPesa....
But does the lack of a physical addressing system stifle the potential in Nairobi? CCN previously tried address most buildings in town, but no one ever quotes the "22 Kimathi Street" when corresponding.
A majority of tech startups in Kenya today are web based, with mobile technology (payment systems) providing an overwhelming support system. A friend once quoted as saying 95% of his online payments were on mobile money. We have lots of tech companies that have tried building solutions to make it easier for Nairobi's consumers.... from ordering food online, to shopping, to casual labour, to ticketing... name it. But the achilles heel always remains addressing. Where do i as a tech startup owner send your goods to in Buruburu once you have bought? Or if i have a party and order for drinks online, how does someone deliver in some flats named "Pearl apartments" deep in langata on a nodescript dirt road?
Would perhaps naming of streets and physical addressing help solve lots of issues in Nairobi as well as create many mid level startups and thus jobs that we are so desperately seeking?
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My Door Handle is attempting to address this very problem: http://mydoorhandle.com/ However, Andy brings up an important point. The fact that one can get pizza from Naked Pizza or Hashmi or Chowpaty (excellent vegetarian Indian food btw) actually betrays the problem. These are local businesses with local knowledge. The purpose of a standard addressing system is to allow anybody to find a residential or commercial location in order to service them quickly and without requiring deep local expertise. It's not just boda boda drivers who need to know how to find places, software developers writing delivery routines in Germany need to know, and American scientists doing water distribution projects need to know, and Indian cell tower planners need to know. The answer to the question, "does the lack of a physical addressing system stifle the potential in Nairobi?" is a qualified "yes". Companies will find a way around the problem, and they'll keep on doing it so the potential of Nairobi isn't completely stifled. Nonetheless, this is one of the problems that simply has to be solved and the only question is 'when', not 'if'. I personally think it's incumbent on government leaders to be tackling all of the 'when' problems now because every year that they wait is simply another year of lower efficiency that could have been used to "promote the general Welfare". -Adam --- OpenStack for Africa: http://signup.kili.io Musings: https://twitter.com/varud About Adam: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Andrea Bohnstedt < andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> wrote:
Ask the people who deliver things?
Naked Pizza and Hashmi have stored my address with my phone number - and yes, it contains my formal street address plus the details on how to find it. When I place an order, they reconfirm that I'm still at the same address. Plus their delivery person usually has my phone number with him just in case he gets lost (yay for technology - and pizza, obvs).
I think it's a bit more tedious the first time you order when you have to give detailed directions - but if a company is smart and saves those, then that cuts down on processing time with each additional order.
On 20 May 2013 12:49, Andy G <andy.gesora@gmail.com> wrote:
So Nairobi is the most advanced city in East and Central Africa.... So JP Morgan has just been granted a licence to setup a rep office in Nairobi.... So most of the iNGO's and corporates have set up in Nairobi.... So Nairobi is the pioneer in alternative payment systems aka mPesa....
But does the lack of a physical addressing system stifle the potential in Nairobi? CCN previously tried address most buildings in town, but no one ever quotes the "22 Kimathi Street" when corresponding.
A majority of tech startups in Kenya today are web based, with mobile technology (payment systems) providing an overwhelming support system. A friend once quoted as saying 95% of his online payments were on mobile money. We have lots of tech companies that have tried building solutions to make it easier for Nairobi's consumers.... from ordering food online, to shopping, to casual labour, to ticketing... name it. But the achilles heel always remains addressing. Where do i as a tech startup owner send your goods to in Buruburu once you have bought? Or if i have a party and order for drinks online, how does someone deliver in some flats named "Pearl apartments" deep in langata on a nodescript dirt road?
Would perhaps naming of streets and physical addressing help solve lots of issues in Nairobi as well as create many mid level startups and thus jobs that we are so desperately seeking?
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Thanks Adam. Exactly my point. mydoorhandle seems a novice idea and may just provide a solution, to an extent, of Nairobi's woes. On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
My Door Handle is attempting to address this very problem:
However, Andy brings up an important point. The fact that one can get pizza from Naked Pizza or Hashmi or Chowpaty (excellent vegetarian Indian food btw) actually betrays the problem. These are local businesses with local knowledge.
The purpose of a standard addressing system is to allow anybody to find a residential or commercial location in order to service them quickly and without requiring deep local expertise. It's not just boda boda drivers who need to know how to find places, software developers writing delivery routines in Germany need to know, and American scientists doing water distribution projects need to know, and Indian cell tower planners need to know.
The answer to the question, "does the lack of a physical addressing system stifle the potential in Nairobi?" is a qualified "yes". Companies will find a way around the problem, and they'll keep on doing it so the potential of Nairobi isn't completely stifled.
Nonetheless, this is one of the problems that simply has to be solved and the only question is 'when', not 'if'. I personally think it's incumbent on government leaders to be tackling all of the 'when' problems now because every year that they wait is simply another year of lower efficiency that could have been used to "promote the general Welfare".
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On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Andrea Bohnstedt < andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> wrote:
Ask the people who deliver things?
Naked Pizza and Hashmi have stored my address with my phone number - and yes, it contains my formal street address plus the details on how to find it. When I place an order, they reconfirm that I'm still at the same address. Plus their delivery person usually has my phone number with him just in case he gets lost (yay for technology - and pizza, obvs).
I think it's a bit more tedious the first time you order when you have to give detailed directions - but if a company is smart and saves those, then that cuts down on processing time with each additional order.
On 20 May 2013 12:49, Andy G <andy.gesora@gmail.com> wrote:
So Nairobi is the most advanced city in East and Central Africa.... So JP Morgan has just been granted a licence to setup a rep office in Nairobi.... So most of the iNGO's and corporates have set up in Nairobi.... So Nairobi is the pioneer in alternative payment systems aka mPesa....
But does the lack of a physical addressing system stifle the potential in Nairobi? CCN previously tried address most buildings in town, but no one ever quotes the "22 Kimathi Street" when corresponding.
A majority of tech startups in Kenya today are web based, with mobile technology (payment systems) providing an overwhelming support system. A friend once quoted as saying 95% of his online payments were on mobile money. We have lots of tech companies that have tried building solutions to make it easier for Nairobi's consumers.... from ordering food online, to shopping, to casual labour, to ticketing... name it. But the achilles heel always remains addressing. Where do i as a tech startup owner send your goods to in Buruburu once you have bought? Or if i have a party and order for drinks online, how does someone deliver in some flats named "Pearl apartments" deep in langata on a nodescript dirt road?
Would perhaps naming of streets and physical addressing help solve lots of issues in Nairobi as well as create many mid level startups and thus jobs that we are so desperately seeking?
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We set up the National Addressing Taskforce sometime last year in partnership with Google. We have already covered the CBD as a pilot and the launch date is coming up anytime. Further the Ministry has been working with lands to get funding for the the National Cadasta (the basis of national geo-referencing). Treasury accepted to fund the project. You will begin to see some of the outcomes from early next year. Several sectors are looking forward to this important development. If you read Hernando de Soto's Mistry of Capital, you will understand why this infrastructure is important. But we also must change the culture to use mordern referencing methods. Several estates such as Buru Buru, Langata, Runda etc in Nairobi have street addresses but no one uses them. Rarely do we even make reference to street names even when they are clearly marked. Ndemo.
Thanks Adam. Exactly my point. mydoorhandle seems a novice idea and may just provide a solution, to an extent, of Nairobi's woes.
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
My Door Handle is attempting to address this very problem:
However, Andy brings up an important point. The fact that one can get pizza from Naked Pizza or Hashmi or Chowpaty (excellent vegetarian Indian food btw) actually betrays the problem. These are local businesses with local knowledge.
The purpose of a standard addressing system is to allow anybody to find a residential or commercial location in order to service them quickly and without requiring deep local expertise. It's not just boda boda drivers who need to know how to find places, software developers writing delivery routines in Germany need to know, and American scientists doing water distribution projects need to know, and Indian cell tower planners need to know.
The answer to the question, "does the lack of a physical addressing system stifle the potential in Nairobi?" is a qualified "yes". Companies will find a way around the problem, and they'll keep on doing it so the potential of Nairobi isn't completely stifled.
Nonetheless, this is one of the problems that simply has to be solved and the only question is 'when', not 'if'. I personally think it's incumbent on government leaders to be tackling all of the 'when' problems now because every year that they wait is simply another year of lower efficiency that could have been used to "promote the general Welfare".
-Adam --- OpenStack for Africa: http://signup.kili.io Musings: https://twitter.com/varud About Adam: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Andrea Bohnstedt < andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> wrote:
Ask the people who deliver things?
Naked Pizza and Hashmi have stored my address with my phone number - and yes, it contains my formal street address plus the details on how to find it. When I place an order, they reconfirm that I'm still at the same address. Plus their delivery person usually has my phone number with him just in case he gets lost (yay for technology - and pizza, obvs).
I think it's a bit more tedious the first time you order when you have to give detailed directions - but if a company is smart and saves those, then that cuts down on processing time with each additional order.
On 20 May 2013 12:49, Andy G <andy.gesora@gmail.com> wrote:
So Nairobi is the most advanced city in East and Central Africa.... So JP Morgan has just been granted a licence to setup a rep office in Nairobi.... So most of the iNGO's and corporates have set up in Nairobi.... So Nairobi is the pioneer in alternative payment systems aka mPesa....
But does the lack of a physical addressing system stifle the potential in Nairobi? CCN previously tried address most buildings in town, but no one ever quotes the "22 Kimathi Street" when corresponding.
A majority of tech startups in Kenya today are web based, with mobile technology (payment systems) providing an overwhelming support system. A friend once quoted as saying 95% of his online payments were on mobile money. We have lots of tech companies that have tried building solutions to make it easier for Nairobi's consumers.... from ordering food online, to shopping, to casual labour, to ticketing... name it. But the achilles heel always remains addressing. Where do i as a tech startup owner send your goods to in Buruburu once you have bought? Or if i have a party and order for drinks online, how does someone deliver in some flats named "Pearl apartments" deep in langata on a nodescript dirt road?
Would perhaps naming of streets and physical addressing help solve lots of issues in Nairobi as well as create many mid level startups and thus jobs that we are so desperately seeking?
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Thanks for the update. I've been told that much of the Kenyan government geo-data is owned by private corporations and licensed back to the government because of poorly written contracts and corruption. Is that the case? In this instance, what will be the licensing scheme of the underlying data? Is there a website describing the project and it's progress? Cheers, Adam --- OpenStack for Africa: http://signup.kili.io Musings: https://twitter.com/varud About Adam: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 7:32 PM, Bitange Ndemo <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
We set up the National Addressing Taskforce sometime last year in partnership with Google. We have already covered the CBD as a pilot and the launch date is coming up anytime. Further the Ministry has been working with lands to get funding for the the National Cadasta (the basis of national geo-referencing). Treasury accepted to fund the project. You will begin to see some of the outcomes from early next year. Several sectors are looking forward to this important development.
If you read Hernando de Soto's Mistry of Capital, you will understand why this infrastructure is important. But we also must change the culture to use mordern referencing methods. Several estates such as Buru Buru, Langata, Runda etc in Nairobi have street addresses but no one uses them. Rarely do we even make reference to street names even when they are clearly marked.
Ndemo.
Thanks Adam. Exactly my point. mydoorhandle seems a novice idea and may just provide a solution, to an extent, of Nairobi's woes.
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
My Door Handle is attempting to address this very problem:
However, Andy brings up an important point. The fact that one can get pizza from Naked Pizza or Hashmi or Chowpaty (excellent vegetarian Indian food btw) actually betrays the problem. These are local businesses with local knowledge.
The purpose of a standard addressing system is to allow anybody to find a residential or commercial location in order to service them quickly and without requiring deep local expertise. It's not just boda boda drivers who need to know how to find places, software developers writing delivery routines in Germany need to know, and American scientists doing water distribution projects need to know, and Indian cell tower planners need to know.
The answer to the question, "does the lack of a physical addressing system stifle the potential in Nairobi?" is a qualified "yes". Companies will find a way around the problem, and they'll keep on doing it so the potential of Nairobi isn't completely stifled.
Nonetheless, this is one of the problems that simply has to be solved and the only question is 'when', not 'if'. I personally think it's incumbent on government leaders to be tackling all of the 'when' problems now because every year that they wait is simply another year of lower efficiency that could have been used to "promote the general Welfare".
-Adam --- OpenStack for Africa: http://signup.kili.io Musings: https://twitter.com/varud About Adam: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Andrea Bohnstedt < andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> wrote:
Ask the people who deliver things?
Naked Pizza and Hashmi have stored my address with my phone number - and yes, it contains my formal street address plus the details on how to find it. When I place an order, they reconfirm that I'm still at the same address. Plus their delivery person usually has my phone number with him just in case he gets lost (yay for technology - and pizza, obvs).
I think it's a bit more tedious the first time you order when you have to give detailed directions - but if a company is smart and saves those, then that cuts down on processing time with each additional order.
On 20 May 2013 12:49, Andy G <andy.gesora@gmail.com> wrote:
So Nairobi is the most advanced city in East and Central Africa.... So JP Morgan has just been granted a licence to setup a rep office in Nairobi.... So most of the iNGO's and corporates have set up in Nairobi.... So Nairobi is the pioneer in alternative payment systems aka mPesa....
But does the lack of a physical addressing system stifle the potential in Nairobi? CCN previously tried address most buildings in town, but no one ever quotes the "22 Kimathi Street" when corresponding.
A majority of tech startups in Kenya today are web based, with mobile technology (payment systems) providing an overwhelming support system. A friend once quoted as saying 95% of his online payments were on mobile money. We have lots of tech companies that have tried building solutions to make it easier for Nairobi's consumers.... from ordering food online, to shopping, to casual labour, to ticketing... name it. But the achilles heel always remains addressing. Where do i as a tech startup owner send your goods to in Buruburu once you have bought? Or if i have a party and order for drinks online, how does someone deliver in some flats named "Pearl apartments" deep in langata on a nodescript dirt road?
Would perhaps naming of streets and physical addressing help solve lots of issues in Nairobi as well as create many mid level startups and thus jobs that we are so desperately seeking?
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Bitange Ndemo