Re: [Kictanet] Day 8 of 10 : - Projected Impact of OFC on the Stakeholders
Thanks Walu for the discussion moderation. I am doing something on the regulatory framework and will post by day 10. On operators I would expect that there woulda be a reciprocation in price and QOS issues. I would expect that there would be publicly accessible interconnection agreements under the non-discriminatory technology-neutral Open Access principles . I would also expect that there would have to bea busines realignment to conform with new entrants at the local lvel who the operators would indeed agree not to want to "take over" asa soon asa a ROI looks good. On the regulator, the paradigm shift in allowing competition and enforcing it would be key.Competition alone despite all that is siad about it is not known to benefit consumers largely where duopolies or oligopolies exits. product and price shadowing takes centre stage and one is not sure that the alternatives are not exhorbitant. The regulator must also enforce QOS. The consumer must be ready for a vibrant market and take up alternatives that make the best "cents".He /She must be able to walk out..and perhaps to an ombudsman(regulator) where QOS is not as per SLA or other "promises.Whining loudly may help(See South Africans vs Telkom SA in the Daily News recently) Kihanya ----- Original Message ---- From: John Walubengo <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: kihanyajn@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 10:11:24 AM Subject: [Kictanet] Day 8 of 10 : - Projected Impact of OFC on the Stakeholders I must thank all for your valuable views shared over the last two days regarding the previous theme :- what are the Best Models for Provisioning submarine OFC. Three models seem to have persisted throughout the discussion, namely, Open Access (EASsy), Private-led (Flag), and our famous Consortium models. Where Mucheru mentions separation of Cable ownership from Cable Management fits in squarely with the Open Access thinking, whereby, the investors in the cable (Govt, Public, Private Companies) appoint an independent management Agent (at a fee) to Operate the Cable on their behalf on a cost-recovery, open access basis. i.e Open to current and future Operators wishing to connect to the landing points or invest further in the cable on equal basis). The cable becomes an essential service or public good, from where Operators can compete to offer (other) Services at a Profit. Flag- a Private Investment initiative came in with a variant model where the cable is privately owned but promises to open access to the Landing points - but aims to maximise returns on the investments made on the cable infrastructure by reselling capacity at market rates. They also aim to play only at the Infrastructure level, rather than at all levels, namely Infrastructure (cable) and Services (Network and Application), opting to leave that to ISPs and ASP(Application Service Providers) Nobody really pushed the Consortium model, but probably Badru did hint strongly for such a model when he mentioned that Commercial interest should be let loose to play dynamically with the market forces. The Consortium model is where a group of Operators get into a private, closed, commercial agreement aiming to build, own and operate a submarine cable with aim of maximising their returns (profit) in the shortest time possible social connotation notwithstanding. And this is where the Consumer has suffered. The short-terms interests of investors must be balanced against the long-term social benefits that would accrue from a affordable bandwidth provisions. Alex and LK seem to be voice of the consumer here, urging the Regulator to flex their muscle probably now and more in future when the OFC is laid-out. In all this, the various financing options were not so pronounced as noted by Michael J. Apart from IPO recommendation from Kai and Bill, the financing models (Equity, Debt, etc) has not quite come through and I hope someone could make comment on that within the remaining three days as we discuss our next theme:- What is the likely impact of the above models on the existing stakeholders (Operators, Regulator and Consumers)? That is, what do we see as the roles of the above stakeholders in the new dispensation of the Optical Submarine Cable. The efloor is again open and we have two days on this one. walu. Nb: a Face2Face meeting will follow up after this online discussion where all these issues will be streamlined. ~~~~~000~~~~~~ Theme Reminder: 1) Why OFC (1day) 2) Existing Business Models for OFC provisioning (2days) 3) Existing/Appropriate Regulatory Models for OFC (2days) 4) Best Model (Business+Regulatory) for E. Africans (2days) <Ongoing-Open> 5) Projected Impact on Stakeholders (2days) <Pending> 6) Reconciling Stakeholder interests/Conclusions (1day) <Pending> ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! 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Cool! u r on e-record- we expect something Regulatory from you on or before Day 10. thanx, walu. --- joseph kihanya <kihanyajn@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thanks Walu for the discussion moderation.
I am doing something on the regulatory framework and will post by day 10.
On operators I would expect that there woulda be a reciprocation in price and QOS issues. I would expect that there would be publicly accessible interconnection agreements under the non-discriminatory technology-neutral Open Access principles . I would also expect that there would have to bea busines realignment to conform with new entrants at the local lvel who the operators would indeed agree not to want to "take over" asa soon asa a ROI looks good.
On the regulator, the paradigm shift in allowing competition and enforcing it would be key.Competition alone despite all that is siad about it is not known to benefit consumers largely where duopolies or oligopolies exits. product and price shadowing takes centre stage and one is not sure that the alternatives are not exhorbitant.
The regulator must also enforce QOS.
The consumer must be ready for a vibrant market and take up alternatives that make the best "cents".He /She must be able to walk out..and perhaps to an ombudsman(regulator) where QOS is not as per SLA or other "promises.Whining loudly may help(See South Africans vs Telkom SA in the Daily News recently)
Kihanya
----- Original Message ---- From: John Walubengo <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: kihanyajn@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 10:11:24 AM Subject: [Kictanet] Day 8 of 10 : - Projected Impact of OFC on the Stakeholders
I must thank all for your valuable views shared over the last two days regarding the previous theme :- what are the Best Models for Provisioning submarine OFC.
Three models seem to have persisted throughout the discussion, namely, Open Access (EASsy), Private-led (Flag), and our famous Consortium models. Where Mucheru mentions separation of Cable ownership from Cable Management fits in squarely with the Open Access thinking, whereby, the investors in the cable (Govt, Public, Private Companies) appoint an independent management Agent (at a fee) to Operate the Cable on their behalf on a cost-recovery, open access basis. i.e Open to current and future Operators wishing to connect to the landing points or invest further in the cable on equal basis). The cable becomes an essential service or public good, from where Operators can compete to offer (other) Services at a Profit.
Flag- a Private Investment initiative came in with a variant model where the cable is privately owned but promises to open access to the Landing points - but aims to maximise returns on the investments made on the cable infrastructure by reselling capacity at market rates. They also aim to play only at the Infrastructure level, rather than at all levels, namely Infrastructure (cable) and Services (Network and Application), opting to leave that to ISPs and ASP(Application Service Providers)
Nobody really pushed the Consortium model, but probably Badru did hint strongly for such a model when he mentioned that Commercial interest should be let loose to play dynamically with the market forces. The Consortium model is where a group of Operators get into a private, closed, commercial agreement aiming to build, own and operate a submarine cable with aim of maximising their returns (profit) in the shortest time possible social connotation notwithstanding.
And this is where the Consumer has suffered. The short-terms interests of investors must be balanced against the long-term social benefits that would accrue from a affordable bandwidth provisions. Alex and LK seem to be voice of the consumer here, urging the Regulator to flex their muscle probably now and more in future when the OFC is laid-out.
In all this, the various financing options were not so pronounced as noted by Michael J. Apart from IPO recommendation from Kai and Bill, the financing models (Equity, Debt, etc) has not quite come through and I hope someone could make comment on that within the remaining three days as we discuss our next theme:- What is the likely impact of the above models on the existing stakeholders (Operators, Regulator and Consumers)? That is, what do we see as the roles of the above stakeholders in the new dispensation of the Optical Submarine Cable. The efloor is again open and we have two days on this one.
walu. Nb: a Face2Face meeting will follow up after this online discussion where all these issues will be streamlined. ~~~~~000~~~~~~ Theme Reminder: 1) Why OFC (1day) 2) Existing Business Models for OFC provisioning (2days) 3) Existing/Appropriate Regulatory Models for OFC (2days) 4) Best Model (Business+Regulatory) for E. Africans (2days) <Ongoing-Open> 5) Projected Impact on Stakeholders (2days) <Pending> 6) Reconciling Stakeholder interests/Conclusions (1day) <Pending>
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Wednesday evening news: the minister sounded committed when signing the survey by Tyco, he expressed the ministry's desire to reduce the cost of international bandwith from the current $7,500 to the more competitive $200 charged by India, i just hope that this venture will mean more outsourcing jobs for kenyans and the same commitment in terms of regulation, for instance, the minister talked about the connectivity of every village in India, if it happens, it would tie well with the whole issue of universal access what will happen to Telkom, now that it will be easier and cheaper to send data, voice and images via IP?? R Rebecca Wanjiku, journalist, p.o box 33515, Nairobi.00600 Kenya. Tel. 254 720 318 925 blog:http://beckyit.blogspot.com/ --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business.
As you may have noted, TKL are in the fore front in bringing this technology to the country and they will therefore not only benefit as investors, they will also significantly reduce the cost of their bandwidth. Today they have to pay satellite providers very high fees and therefore they also charge higher prices. It will be a win win for all concerned including the customer. -- Joseph Mucheru Executive Director mucheru@wananchi.com Wananchi Online Ltd Voted ISP of the Year 2006 Computer Society of Kenya Annual Awards 30th November 2006 Panari Hotel, Nairobi Are you hosting your domain name with the leaders??: See http://webhosting.info/webhosts/tophosts/Country/KE
From: Rebecca Wanjiku <rebeccawanjiku@yahoo.com> Reply-To: Kenya ICT Action Network - KICTANet <kictanet@kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:59:10 -0800 (PST) To: <mucheru@wananchi.com> Subject: [Kictanet] impact
Wednesday evening news: the minister sounded committed when signing the survey by Tyco, he expressed the ministry's desire to reduce the cost of international bandwith from the current $7,500 to the more competitive $200 charged by India,
i just hope that this venture will mean more outsourcing jobs for kenyans and the same commitment in terms of regulation, for instance, the minister talked about the connectivity of every village in India, if it happens, it would tie well with the whole issue of universal access
what will happen to Telkom, now that it will be easier and cheaper to send data, voice and images via IP??
R
Rebecca Wanjiku, journalist, p.o box 33515, Nairobi.00600 Kenya.
Tel. 254 720 318 925
blog:http://beckyit.blogspot.com/
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Mucheru, apparently the benefits occassioned by (whichever) submarine optical fiber will not be maximised due to prevailing market structures. Roland (2006) argues that our current market(Regulatory) structures have not adopted to the realities of a converged market and therefore continue to constrain the potential benefits that OFC may bring about. I have copied a snapshot of Roland's thinking below which I feel is a must read for all of us... ~~~000~~~~ How can African governments get telecommunications moving in the right direction? Roland H. Alden Telecommunications networks require capital investment, customers who can support that investment, and a clear regulatory environment that is not disruptive or counterproductive. In Africa, all three inputs have been in short supply.... The story continues @ http://www.ralden.com/C6/A%20Way%20Forward/default.aspx walu. --- Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@wananchi.com> wrote:
As you may have noted, TKL are in the fore front in bringing this technology to the country and they will therefore not only benefit as investors, they will also significantly reduce the cost of their bandwidth. Today they have to pay satellite providers very high fees and therefore they also charge higher prices. It will be a win win for all concerned including the customer.
-- Joseph Mucheru Executive Director mucheru@wananchi.com
Wananchi Online Ltd Voted ISP of the Year 2006 Computer Society of Kenya Annual Awards 30th November 2006 Panari Hotel, Nairobi
Are you hosting your domain name with the leaders??: See http://webhosting.info/webhosts/tophosts/Country/KE
From: Rebecca Wanjiku <rebeccawanjiku@yahoo.com> Reply-To: Kenya ICT Action Network - KICTANet <kictanet@kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:59:10 -0800 (PST) To: <mucheru@wananchi.com> Subject: [Kictanet] impact
Wednesday evening news: the minister sounded committed when signing the survey by Tyco, he expressed the ministry's desire to reduce the cost of international bandwith from the current $7,500 to the more competitive $200 charged by India,
i just hope that this venture will mean more outsourcing jobs for kenyans and the same commitment in terms of regulation, for instance, the minister talked about the connectivity of every village in India, if it happens, it would tie well with the whole issue of universal access
what will happen to Telkom, now that it will be easier and cheaper to send data, voice and images via IP??
R
Rebecca Wanjiku, journalist, p.o box 33515, Nairobi.00600 Kenya.
Tel. 254 720 318 925
blog:http://beckyit.blogspot.com/
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Mucheru, apparently the benefits occassioned by (whichever) submarine optical fiber will not be maximised due to prevailing market structures. Roland (2006) argues that our current market(Regulatory) structures have not adopted to the realities of a converged market and therefore continue to constrain the potential benefits that OFC may bring about. I have copied a snapshot of Roland's thinking below which I feel is a must read for all of us... ~~~000~~~~ How can African governments get telecommunications moving in the right direction? Roland H. Alden Telecommunications networks require capital investment, customers who can support that investment, and a clear regulatory environment that is not disruptive or counterproductive. In Africa, all three inputs have been in short supply.... The story continues @ http://www.ralden.com/C6/A%20Way%20Forward/default.aspx walu. --- Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@wananchi.com> wrote:
As you may have noted, TKL are in the fore front in bringing this technology to the country and they will therefore not only benefit as investors, they will also significantly reduce the cost of their bandwidth. Today they have to pay satellite providers very high fees and therefore they also charge higher prices. It will be a win win for all concerned including the customer.
-- Joseph Mucheru Executive Director mucheru@wananchi.com
Wananchi Online Ltd Voted ISP of the Year 2006 Computer Society of Kenya Annual Awards 30th November 2006 Panari Hotel, Nairobi
Are you hosting your domain name with the leaders??: See http://webhosting.info/webhosts/tophosts/Country/KE
From: Rebecca Wanjiku <rebeccawanjiku@yahoo.com> Reply-To: Kenya ICT Action Network - KICTANet <kictanet@kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:59:10 -0800 (PST) To: <mucheru@wananchi.com> Subject: [Kictanet] impact
Wednesday evening news: the minister sounded committed when signing the survey by Tyco, he expressed the ministry's desire to reduce the cost of international bandwith from the current $7,500 to the more competitive $200 charged by India,
i just hope that this venture will mean more outsourcing jobs for kenyans and the same commitment in terms of regulation, for instance, the minister talked about the connectivity of every village in India, if it happens, it would tie well with the whole issue of universal access
what will happen to Telkom, now that it will be easier and cheaper to send data, voice and images via IP??
R
Rebecca Wanjiku, journalist, p.o box 33515, Nairobi.00600 Kenya.
Tel. 254 720 318 925
blog:http://beckyit.blogspot.com/
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yes, OFC will be a win win situation, but are there any negative impact that we should be worried about??? any environmental impact??? somebody??????? Rebecca Wanjiku, journalist, p.o box 33515, Nairobi.00600 Kenya. Tel. 254 720 318 925 blog:http://beckyit.blogspot.com/ --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.
Dear Ms Wanjiku, We are working on the RFP for the Environmental Impact. The tender should be out before the construction of the cable begins. Regards Bitange Ndemo.
yes, OFC will be a win win situation, but are there any negative impact that we should be worried about??? any environmental impact???
somebody???????
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Tel. 254 720 318 925
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