Re: [kictanet] Call for opinions - CCK vs Safaricom
Wow...Thanks Andrea, goes a long way to show just how defeatist the press releases by the "miserable trio" are. Again...thanks to technology we can dig through the past to inform the future...Quite amusing. Rgds, EK
-------Original Message------- From: Andrea Bohnstedt <andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> To: emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Call for opinions - CCK vs Safaricom Sent: May 07 '10 14:57
Amusing little factoid:
In 2004, when Celtel acquired Kencell: 'Kencell, with about 1.2 million subscribers, has recently lost market share to rival Safaricom, a joint venture of Kenya's state-owned Telkom Kenya and Britain's Vodafone. Safaricom's subscribers have grown to 1.8 million, increasing its share to 60% from about 50%.
So Celtel/Zain managed to work their way down from 50% to 14% or so over the past six years. Must have been quite a slippery playing field.
([LINK: http://www.regulateonline.org/2003/intelecon/2004/May/A-Kenya-040525.htm] http://www.regulateonline.org/2003/intelecon/2004/May/A-Kenya-040525.htm)
On 7 May 2010 17:38, Walubengo J <[LINK: mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com] jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
MM,
this Kwame guy is an interesting read!. One amusing message I picked says that the regulator should be protecting consumers - not competitors ;-)
..and from the "streets" some analyst said that Safcom may have exploited its dominance position; but that was in the beginning (ref: interconnection tariff wars with Kencell 6-8yrs ago). Currently, it will be a tall order to get evidence of the yet to be defined "exploiting" dominance postion"
walu.
--- On FRI, 5/7/10, MURIUKI MUREITHI _<[LINK: MAILTO:MUREITHI@SUMMITSTRATEGIES.CO.KE] MUREITHI@SUMMITSTRATEGIES.CO.KE>_ wrote:
From: muriuki mureithi <[LINK: mailto:mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke] mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] {HIJACK} Call for opinions - CCK vs Safaricom To: [LINK: mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com] jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'" <[LINK: mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke] kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>, "'ke-users'" <[LINK: mailto:ke-internetusers@bdix.net] ke-internetusers@bdix.net> Date: Friday, May 7, 2010, 3:32 PM
Kui
For� a local context � from an economic perspective , read the attached
Regards
Muriuki Mureithi
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Kui,
For some background information� on Competition, Dominance,etc you could check on the following information resources which should be available on-line:
1.Oftel, January 2000- The application of the Competition Act in Telecommunications Sector.
2. INTUG - Anti-Competitive Conduct and Competition Policy in Telecommunications,ITU,Geneva 22 Nov.2002
[LINK: http://3.EU] 3.EU Directive 2002/19/EC 0f 7/3/2002 (Access Directive)
4. European Court of Justice in " United Brands v. Commission(1978) ECR. 207
5.Telecommunication Regulation Handbook(Module 5 - Competition Policy) by INFODEV,
Good� Luck,
John Kariuki
--- On THU, 6/5/10, MARIE-ANNE KINYANJUI _<[LINK: MAILTO:MKINYANJUI@NATION.CO.KE] MKINYANJUI@NATION.CO.KE>_ wrote:
From: Marie-Anne Kinyanjui <[LINK: mailto:mkinyanjui@nation.co.ke] mkinyanjui@nation.co.ke> Subject: [ke-internetusers] {HIJACK} Call for opinions - CCK vs Safaricom To: "McTim" <[LINK: mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com] dogwallah@gmail.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <[LINK: mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke] kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>, "ke-users" <[LINK: mailto:ke-internetusers@bdix.net] ke-internetusers@bdix.net> Date: Thursday, 6 May, 2010, 8:47
Is there anyone on the list with a firm grasp of the industry (and who is not directly involved :-) who is wiling to offer their objective views on this subject for publication in Business Daily? 400-600 words please.
Thanks.
Kui Kinyanjui Business Daily
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+mkinyanjui=nation.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:[LINK: mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bmkinyanjui] kictanet-bounces+mkinyanjui=nation.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of McTim Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 8:15 AM To: Marie-Anne Kinyanjui Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; ke-users; Angela Nganga- Mumo Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Re: {Disarmed} Re: CCK vs Safaricom?- and now Safcom vs the Rest?
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 7:35 AM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
This is great Angela. I really need to know why the 'big boy' is suddenly crying foul.
Let's re-examine our assumptions of who the "Big Boy" in the Kenyan Telecommunications market is.
The GoK owns a huge minority shareholding in Telkom.Orange (and may in future own a majority share).� When Orange makes a profit, so do its owners.
The GoK owns a huge minority shareholding in Safaricom.� When SafCom makes a profit, so do its owners.
The GoK collects a tremendous amount of VAT and other taxes from the telecoms market players.
The GoK collects a tremendous amount of license fees and frequencies fees from the telecoms market players.
The GoK sets policy via the CCK and the Ministry.
So from my POV, the GoK is the BIG BOY, it seems to me that this is the "elephant in the room" that no one is talking about.
In any case on this specific regulation, I applaud the intent of creating a level playing field.� However, I see no monetary "teeth" or enforcement measures (read fines) in this single doc (I have yet to read the others).
My main objection is the 25% rule.� My reading of this is that there MUST always be at least one dominant provider.� Let me use a poker game analogy to make my point.� Before the first hand is dealt, all players will have an equal amount of chips.� After the first hand (and subsequent hands) there will (most likely) be a "chip leader" and a "short stack".� It is not likely that there will ever be equilibrium in the game (or in the telecoms market).
I would suggest that this clause is not helpful, at least at the 25% value at which the trigger is now set.
No wonder Safaricom is complaining.
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McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there."� Jon Postel
On 06/05/2010, Carole K <mhariricarole@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you Angela, you are a star! The rest of us can now be informed
this new "unfair" regulation.
CK
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Angela Nganga- Mumo < anganga@orange-tkl.co.ke> wrote:
Dear All,
Please find a PDF copy of the regulations.
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-----Original Message----- From: ke-internetusers-bounces@bdix.net [mailto:ke-internetusers-bounces@bdix.net] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 7:41 PM To: Andrea Bohnstedt Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; ke-users Subject: [ke-internetusers] Re: {Disarmed} Re: [kictanet] CCK vs Safaricom?- and now Safcom vs the Rest?
Will send it tomorrow.
Ndemo.
I'd like to see the text, too. Dr Ndemo, could you or one of your colleagues email round a pdf with the regulations, please? Easier and a bit nicer on the environment than all of us running downtown to buy paper copies.
Thanks, Andrea
On 4 May 2010 09:32, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
the drama continues,
in a louder paid-up advert in today's press Yu, Orange and Zain support the CCK regulations and dispute yesterday's Safcom's complaint.� All these without the public (or is it me?) not having copies of what they are arguing about!
Someone told me the copies of this regulations are available at
Government Printers at a small fee.� Halloo? Assuming I leave in Lokichoggio, Should i spend two days on the road to come and
some
hard-copy regulations that should be downloadable?
Sergon, can you help me, where does this leave you with your eGovernment stories?
walu.
--- On *Mon, 5/3/10, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com>* wrote:
From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] CCK vs Safaricom? To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, May 3, 2010, 10:55 AM
Just seen a loud complaint from Safcom in today's Daily Nation.� They quoted four regulations that have been gazetted and I have searched [LINK: http://www.cck.go.ke] www.cck.go.ke to get a mouse on them but failed.
Anybody with e-copies on these regulations or specific url can
about the pickup plse
update.
walu.
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