Security Situation in Kenya
Listers, In case you might not have heard, there has been a very serious security breach that has occurred in Mpeketoni, Lamu that has so far claimed close to 50 persons. The details on this are here http://www.nation.co.ke/news/mpeketoni-Lamu-gunfire-al-shabaab-terrorism/-/1... To put this into context, Mpeketoni is the largest town, bar Lamu, between the Somali Border and Malindi and the center of commercial activity in the region. So, as much as a lot of us might not know it, the fact that Al-Shabbab could drive trucks full of fighters into such a town and commit these crimes and then leave should send all the security-bells that we have ringing. This is exactly how Boko Haram started in Nigeria and we are seeing it played out here right infront of us. I think its time that we spoke as the local ICT Community and came up with a stand on what in our opinion needs to be done in ICT Terms to secure this nation. As an example, it would actually be very irresponsible of us to let a few gentlemen to come together and tell us the solution to our current security problems, from an ICT perspective, is a police network deal that largely puts CCTV Cameras in Nairobi & Mombasa, when maybe nothing is being spent to secure our porous borders as well as actual on-the-ground intelligence collection. We could send this as a proposal to the powers that be as well as the parliamentary ICT Committee and hope, nay, push, until something gets done. The way I see this working is, we draft a document, brief and simple with what our recommendations are, then Listers can comment on it. If largely agreeable, we send it to the powers that be. Let me now what your thoughts are, and we could see what we can do about this. -- *Regards,* *Wait**haka Ngigi* Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi Synod Building T + 254 (0) 20 2333 471 |Office Mobile: +254 786 28 28 28 | M + 254 737 811 000 www.at.co.ke
Kenyan Government needs to install the concept of Command, Control, Communications, Computers, Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance "C4ISR", like the US and Israel did. The youth are capable of helping in such an initiative, and the Govt needs to use the youth instead of denying them projects, when we are the ones who know how to write applications, use computer networks to implement ICT Products that cant effectively and efficiently help Kenyan Security ./Chucks On 6/16/14, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
In case you might not have heard, there has been a very serious security breach that has occurred in Mpeketoni, Lamu that has so far claimed close to 50 persons.
The details on this are here http://www.nation.co.ke/news/mpeketoni-Lamu-gunfire-al-shabaab-terrorism/-/1...
To put this into context, Mpeketoni is the largest town, bar Lamu, between the Somali Border and Malindi and the center of commercial activity in the region.
So, as much as a lot of us might not know it, the fact that Al-Shabbab could drive trucks full of fighters into such a town and commit these crimes and then leave should send all the security-bells that we have ringing.
This is exactly how Boko Haram started in Nigeria and we are seeing it played out here right infront of us.
I think its time that we spoke as the local ICT Community and came up with a stand on what in our opinion needs to be done in ICT Terms to secure this nation.
As an example, it would actually be very irresponsible of us to let a few gentlemen to come together and tell us the solution to our current security problems, from an ICT perspective, is a police network deal that largely puts CCTV Cameras in Nairobi & Mombasa, when maybe nothing is being spent to secure our porous borders as well as actual on-the-ground intelligence collection.
We could send this as a proposal to the powers that be as well as the parliamentary ICT Committee and hope, nay, push, until something gets done. The way I see this working is, we draft a document, brief and simple with what our recommendations are, then Listers can comment on it. If largely agreeable, we send it to the powers that be.
Let me now what your thoughts are, and we could see what we can do about this.
-- *Regards,*
*Wait**haka Ngigi* Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi Synod Building T + 254 (0) 20 2333 471 |Office Mobile: +254 786 28 28 28 | M + 254 737 811 000 www.at.co.ke
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I'm not convinced it's a technology issue, rather a lack of will. We've got people who benefit from the lack of security (ivory trade, drugs etc), so the government is not incentivised to fight crime in general. What the government fails to realise is that petty crime finances larger crimes. Al Shabaab does not have an investment bank where they can get a convertible note to finance a terror attack, it can't really list on the NSE. They traffic drugs, ivory etc. The solution is a thorough crack down on crime which generally tends to provide the intelligence bodies with much needed intel. We can't eat our cake and have it too. The government seems to think that they can have lax security policy and still somehow secure the country. We additionally need to look at who is in charge of security policy. It's absurd to have someone who thinks that a crack down on tint (an illegal crack down no less) is in charge of the police force. The individual charged with enforcing the law does not understand or respect the law. The internal security minister is, frankly, clueless. We've got no cohesive security policy. Crime has always been an issue. You might have technology, but it's worth precious little if it takes the armed forces 4-5 hours to respond, or if they will try and shake down the terrorist for bribes. A lot of this technology was not there in the eighties, nineties and noughties. At this point, there is a shortage of police because they are busy washing cars in the judiciary or guarding "VIP's". There is a shortage of police cars because every "VIP" gets a chase car to ensure that they are insulated from their policy failures (traffic, insecurity etc). The state at this point does not really care about the citizen and it's primary concern is extracting the citizen (corporate included) to finance rent seekers who have no economic value. Our taxes keep increasing and because the state has a monopoly on violence, we are not really allowed to question how the state mis-uses our taxes. What we have is not a technology problem but rather general failure of an arm of government. On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Kenyan Government needs to install the concept of Command, Control, Communications, Computers, Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance "C4ISR", like the US and Israel did. The youth are capable of helping in such an initiative, and the Govt needs to use the youth instead of denying them projects, when we are the ones who know how to write applications, use computer networks to implement ICT Products that cant effectively and efficiently help Kenyan Security
./Chucks
On 6/16/14, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
In case you might not have heard, there has been a very serious security breach that has occurred in Mpeketoni, Lamu that has so far claimed close to 50 persons.
The details on this are here
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/mpeketoni-Lamu-gunfire-al-shabaab-terrorism/-/1...
To put this into context, Mpeketoni is the largest town, bar Lamu,
the Somali Border and Malindi and the center of commercial activity in
region.
So, as much as a lot of us might not know it, the fact that Al-Shabbab could drive trucks full of fighters into such a town and commit these crimes and then leave should send all the security-bells that we have ringing.
This is exactly how Boko Haram started in Nigeria and we are seeing it played out here right infront of us.
I think its time that we spoke as the local ICT Community and came up with a stand on what in our opinion needs to be done in ICT Terms to secure
between the this
nation.
As an example, it would actually be very irresponsible of us to let a few gentlemen to come together and tell us the solution to our current security problems, from an ICT perspective, is a police network deal that largely puts CCTV Cameras in Nairobi & Mombasa, when maybe nothing is being spent to secure our porous borders as well as actual on-the-ground intelligence collection.
We could send this as a proposal to the powers that be as well as the parliamentary ICT Committee and hope, nay, push, until something gets done. The way I see this working is, we draft a document, brief and simple with what our recommendations are, then Listers can comment on it. If largely agreeable, we send it to the powers that be.
Let me now what your thoughts are, and we could see what we can do about this.
-- *Regards,*
*Wait**haka Ngigi* Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi Synod Building T + 254 (0) 20 2333 471 |Office Mobile: +254 786 28 28 28 | M + 254 737 811 000 www.at.co.ke
-- -- Gichuki John Ndirangu, C.E.H , C.P.T.P, O.S.C.P I.T Security Analyst and Penetration Tester jgichuki at inbox d0t com
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Phares, Even saying "...this is not a technology problem ..." can be quite the answer to the problem. One of the problems I am seeing with the recent trend is where there is this belief that once this 3G, 4G, 5G etc police network gets up, we will have gotten to the root of the problem. Its the classic case of having the only tool being a hammer, and no wonder the solution is Networks. IMO, you would probably get more bang for your buck if you put half of the Ksh 15B budget into human intelligence i.e buying information from informants than through spending it on to getting real-time images from our cities. Rgds On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Phares Kariuki via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I'm not convinced it's a technology issue, rather a lack of will. We've got people who benefit from the lack of security (ivory trade, drugs etc), so the government is not incentivised to fight crime in general. What the government fails to realise is that petty crime finances larger crimes. Al Shabaab does not have an investment bank where they can get a convertible note to finance a terror attack, it can't really list on the NSE. They traffic drugs, ivory etc. The solution is a thorough crack down on crime which generally tends to provide the intelligence bodies with much needed intel. We can't eat our cake and have it too. The government seems to think that they can have lax security policy and still somehow secure the country.
We additionally need to look at who is in charge of security policy. It's absurd to have someone who thinks that a crack down on tint (an illegal crack down no less) is in charge of the police force. The individual charged with enforcing the law does not understand or respect the law. The internal security minister is, frankly, clueless. We've got no cohesive security policy.
Crime has always been an issue. You might have technology, but it's worth precious little if it takes the armed forces 4-5 hours to respond, or if they will try and shake down the terrorist for bribes. A lot of this technology was not there in the eighties, nineties and noughties.
At this point, there is a shortage of police because they are busy washing cars in the judiciary or guarding "VIP's". There is a shortage of police cars because every "VIP" gets a chase car to ensure that they are insulated from their policy failures (traffic, insecurity etc). The state at this point does not really care about the citizen and it's primary concern is extracting the citizen (corporate included) to finance rent seekers who have no economic value. Our taxes keep increasing and because the state has a monopoly on violence, we are not really allowed to question how the state mis-uses our taxes.
What we have is not a technology problem but rather general failure of an arm of government.
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Kenyan Government needs to install the concept of Command, Control, Communications, Computers, Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance "C4ISR", like the US and Israel did. The youth are capable of helping in such an initiative, and the Govt needs to use the youth instead of denying them projects, when we are the ones who know how to write applications, use computer networks to implement ICT Products that cant effectively and efficiently help Kenyan Security
./Chucks
On 6/16/14, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
In case you might not have heard, there has been a very serious security breach that has occurred in Mpeketoni, Lamu that has so far claimed close to 50 persons.
The details on this are here
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/mpeketoni-Lamu-gunfire-al-shabaab-terrorism/-/1...
To put this into context, Mpeketoni is the largest town, bar Lamu,
the Somali Border and Malindi and the center of commercial activity in
region.
So, as much as a lot of us might not know it, the fact that Al-Shabbab could drive trucks full of fighters into such a town and commit these crimes and then leave should send all the security-bells that we have ringing.
This is exactly how Boko Haram started in Nigeria and we are seeing it played out here right infront of us.
I think its time that we spoke as the local ICT Community and came up with a stand on what in our opinion needs to be done in ICT Terms to secure
between the this
nation.
As an example, it would actually be very irresponsible of us to let a few gentlemen to come together and tell us the solution to our current security problems, from an ICT perspective, is a police network deal that largely puts CCTV Cameras in Nairobi & Mombasa, when maybe nothing is being spent to secure our porous borders as well as actual on-the-ground intelligence collection.
We could send this as a proposal to the powers that be as well as the parliamentary ICT Committee and hope, nay, push, until something gets done. The way I see this working is, we draft a document, brief and simple with what our recommendations are, then Listers can comment on it. If largely agreeable, we send it to the powers that be.
Let me now what your thoughts are, and we could see what we can do about this.
-- *Regards,*
*Wait**haka Ngigi* Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi Synod Building T + 254 (0) 20 2333 471 |Office Mobile: +254 786 28 28 28 | M + 254 737 811 000 www.at.co.ke
-- -- Gichuki John Ndirangu, C.E.H , C.P.T.P, O.S.C.P I.T Security Analyst and Penetration Tester jgichuki at inbox d0t com
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A few weeks ago, the Western world warned of an impending attack at the Kenyan Coastal region. Some tourists were evacuated... Then, as they predicted; this happens. I am sure they must be using "something technologically advanced" to intercept Al-Shabaab communication. In my view, that is where ICT has to come in. We need to find and own "that something" which will alert us when somebody is planning to do something sinister against our innocent citizens.... On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Phares,
Even saying "...this is not a technology problem ..." can be quite the answer to the problem.
One of the problems I am seeing with the recent trend is where there is this belief that once this 3G, 4G, 5G etc police network gets up, we will have gotten to the root of the problem. Its the classic case of having the only tool being a hammer, and no wonder the solution is Networks.
IMO, you would probably get more bang for your buck if you put half of the Ksh 15B budget into human intelligence i.e buying information from informants than through spending it on to getting real-time images from our cities.
Rgds
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Phares Kariuki via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I'm not convinced it's a technology issue, rather a lack of will. We've got people who benefit from the lack of security (ivory trade, drugs etc), so the government is not incentivised to fight crime in general. What the government fails to realise is that petty crime finances larger crimes. Al Shabaab does not have an investment bank where they can get a convertible note to finance a terror attack, it can't really list on the NSE. They traffic drugs, ivory etc. The solution is a thorough crack down on crime which generally tends to provide the intelligence bodies with much needed intel. We can't eat our cake and have it too. The government seems to think that they can have lax security policy and still somehow secure the country.
We additionally need to look at who is in charge of security policy. It's absurd to have someone who thinks that a crack down on tint (an illegal crack down no less) is in charge of the police force. The individual charged with enforcing the law does not understand or respect the law. The internal security minister is, frankly, clueless. We've got no cohesive security policy.
Crime has always been an issue. You might have technology, but it's worth precious little if it takes the armed forces 4-5 hours to respond, or if they will try and shake down the terrorist for bribes. A lot of this technology was not there in the eighties, nineties and noughties.
At this point, there is a shortage of police because they are busy washing cars in the judiciary or guarding "VIP's". There is a shortage of police cars because every "VIP" gets a chase car to ensure that they are insulated from their policy failures (traffic, insecurity etc). The state at this point does not really care about the citizen and it's primary concern is extracting the citizen (corporate included) to finance rent seekers who have no economic value. Our taxes keep increasing and because the state has a monopoly on violence, we are not really allowed to question how the state mis-uses our taxes.
What we have is not a technology problem but rather general failure of an arm of government.
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Kenyan Government needs to install the concept of Command, Control, Communications, Computers, Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance "C4ISR", like the US and Israel did. The youth are capable of helping in such an initiative, and the Govt needs to use the youth instead of denying them projects, when we are the ones who know how to write applications, use computer networks to implement ICT Products that cant effectively and efficiently help Kenyan Security
./Chucks
On 6/16/14, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
In case you might not have heard, there has been a very serious security breach that has occurred in Mpeketoni, Lamu that has so far claimed close to 50 persons.
The details on this are here
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/mpeketoni-Lamu-gunfire-al-shabaab-terrorism/-/1...
To put this into context, Mpeketoni is the largest town, bar Lamu,
the Somali Border and Malindi and the center of commercial activity in
region.
So, as much as a lot of us might not know it, the fact that Al-Shabbab could drive trucks full of fighters into such a town and commit these crimes and then leave should send all the security-bells that we have ringing.
This is exactly how Boko Haram started in Nigeria and we are seeing it played out here right infront of us.
I think its time that we spoke as the local ICT Community and came up with a stand on what in our opinion needs to be done in ICT Terms to secure
between the this
nation.
As an example, it would actually be very irresponsible of us to let a few gentlemen to come together and tell us the solution to our current security problems, from an ICT perspective, is a police network deal that largely puts CCTV Cameras in Nairobi & Mombasa, when maybe nothing is being spent to secure our porous borders as well as actual on-the-ground intelligence collection.
We could send this as a proposal to the powers that be as well as the parliamentary ICT Committee and hope, nay, push, until something gets done. The way I see this working is, we draft a document, brief and simple with what our recommendations are, then Listers can comment on it. If largely agreeable, we send it to the powers that be.
Let me now what your thoughts are, and we could see what we can do about this.
-- *Regards,*
*Wait**haka Ngigi* Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi Synod Building T + 254 (0) 20 2333 471 |Office Mobile: +254 786 28 28 28 | M + 254 737 811 000 www.at.co.ke
-- -- Gichuki John Ndirangu, C.E.H , C.P.T.P, O.S.C.P I.T Security Analyst and Penetration Tester jgichuki at inbox d0t com
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Ask yourself, why did US embassy shut down before this, and why did UK Embassy do the same last week? Did they get this information earlier? How did they get it? On 6/16/14, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Phares,
Even saying "...this is not a technology problem ..." can be quite the answer to the problem.
One of the problems I am seeing with the recent trend is where there is this belief that once this 3G, 4G, 5G etc police network gets up, we will have gotten to the root of the problem. Its the classic case of having the only tool being a hammer, and no wonder the solution is Networks.
IMO, you would probably get more bang for your buck if you put half of the Ksh 15B budget into human intelligence i.e buying information from informants than through spending it on to getting real-time images from our cities.
Rgds
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Phares Kariuki via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I'm not convinced it's a technology issue, rather a lack of will. We've got people who benefit from the lack of security (ivory trade, drugs etc), so the government is not incentivised to fight crime in general. What the government fails to realise is that petty crime finances larger crimes. Al Shabaab does not have an investment bank where they can get a convertible note to finance a terror attack, it can't really list on the NSE. They traffic drugs, ivory etc. The solution is a thorough crack down on crime which generally tends to provide the intelligence bodies with much needed intel. We can't eat our cake and have it too. The government seems to think that they can have lax security policy and still somehow secure the country.
We additionally need to look at who is in charge of security policy. It's absurd to have someone who thinks that a crack down on tint (an illegal crack down no less) is in charge of the police force. The individual charged with enforcing the law does not understand or respect the law. The internal security minister is, frankly, clueless. We've got no cohesive security policy.
Crime has always been an issue. You might have technology, but it's worth precious little if it takes the armed forces 4-5 hours to respond, or if they will try and shake down the terrorist for bribes. A lot of this technology was not there in the eighties, nineties and noughties.
At this point, there is a shortage of police because they are busy washing cars in the judiciary or guarding "VIP's". There is a shortage of police cars because every "VIP" gets a chase car to ensure that they are insulated from their policy failures (traffic, insecurity etc). The state at this point does not really care about the citizen and it's primary concern is extracting the citizen (corporate included) to finance rent seekers who have no economic value. Our taxes keep increasing and because the state has a monopoly on violence, we are not really allowed to question how the state mis-uses our taxes.
What we have is not a technology problem but rather general failure of an arm of government.
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Kenyan Government needs to install the concept of Command, Control, Communications, Computers, Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance "C4ISR", like the US and Israel did. The youth are capable of helping in such an initiative, and the Govt needs to use the youth instead of denying them projects, when we are the ones who know how to write applications, use computer networks to implement ICT Products that cant effectively and efficiently help Kenyan Security
./Chucks
On 6/16/14, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
In case you might not have heard, there has been a very serious security breach that has occurred in Mpeketoni, Lamu that has so far claimed close to 50 persons.
The details on this are here
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/mpeketoni-Lamu-gunfire-al-shabaab-terrorism/-/1...
To put this into context, Mpeketoni is the largest town, bar Lamu,
the Somali Border and Malindi and the center of commercial activity in
region.
So, as much as a lot of us might not know it, the fact that Al-Shabbab could drive trucks full of fighters into such a town and commit these crimes and then leave should send all the security-bells that we have ringing.
This is exactly how Boko Haram started in Nigeria and we are seeing it played out here right infront of us.
I think its time that we spoke as the local ICT Community and came up with a stand on what in our opinion needs to be done in ICT Terms to secure
between the this
nation.
As an example, it would actually be very irresponsible of us to let a few gentlemen to come together and tell us the solution to our current security problems, from an ICT perspective, is a police network deal that largely puts CCTV Cameras in Nairobi & Mombasa, when maybe nothing is being spent to secure our porous borders as well as actual on-the-ground intelligence collection.
We could send this as a proposal to the powers that be as well as the parliamentary ICT Committee and hope, nay, push, until something gets done. The way I see this working is, we draft a document, brief and simple with what our recommendations are, then Listers can comment on it. If largely agreeable, we send it to the powers that be.
Let me now what your thoughts are, and we could see what we can do about this.
-- *Regards,*
*Wait**haka Ngigi* Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi Synod Building T + 254 (0) 20 2333 471 |Office Mobile: +254 786 28 28 28 | M + 254 737 811 000 www.at.co.ke
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Gichuki, These are questions that are also very troubling to me. If you think about it, the British Consulate in Mombasa, maybe the oldest consulate was closed last week amid terrorism fears. This not from any other Country, but UK, one country that has arguably the largest investment in Kenya, where a decision like that is not taken lightly. And not even a week later, we get hit at Mpeketoni. Now, we might not have been able to stop it, but the least we would have done, having gotten the signals from our friends who were closing their Consulates at the coast, is to have been very well prepared. I am told these guys hit at 20:00hrs and up until morning hours when they left no one had arrived to counter them. Yet, from the word go, the communication about the attack was all over, including social media. If this sounds familiar, its exactly what happened at Westgate. I don't know what school you would have gone to if after these two very-similiar attacks you can recommend that our terrorism problems are quickly sorted by using an upgraded technology network. IMO, it is time we talked the truth and called a spade a spade, starting with the fact that what has been recommended thus far is a white elephant and what we need more is more motivated & dedicated cops topped of with good leadership and quality intelligence. Rgds On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia < chuksjonia@gmail.com> wrote:
Ask yourself, why did US embassy shut down before this, and why did UK Embassy do the same last week?
Did they get this information earlier?
How did they get it?
Phares,
Even saying "...this is not a technology problem ..." can be quite the answer to the problem.
One of the problems I am seeing with the recent trend is where there is this belief that once this 3G, 4G, 5G etc police network gets up, we will have gotten to the root of the problem. Its the classic case of having
only tool being a hammer, and no wonder the solution is Networks.
IMO, you would probably get more bang for your buck if you put half of
Ksh 15B budget into human intelligence i.e buying information from informants than through spending it on to getting real-time images from our cities.
Rgds
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Phares Kariuki via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I'm not convinced it's a technology issue, rather a lack of will. We've got people who benefit from the lack of security (ivory trade, drugs etc), so the government is not incentivised to fight crime in general. What
On 6/16/14, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: the the the
government fails to realise is that petty crime finances larger crimes. Al Shabaab does not have an investment bank where they can get a convertible note to finance a terror attack, it can't really list on the NSE. They traffic drugs, ivory etc. The solution is a thorough crack down on crime which generally tends to provide the intelligence bodies with much needed intel. We can't eat our cake and have it too. The government seems to think that they can have lax security policy and still somehow secure the country.
We additionally need to look at who is in charge of security policy. It's absurd to have someone who thinks that a crack down on tint (an illegal crack down no less) is in charge of the police force. The individual charged with enforcing the law does not understand or respect the law. The internal security minister is, frankly, clueless. We've got no cohesive security policy.
Crime has always been an issue. You might have technology, but it's worth precious little if it takes the armed forces 4-5 hours to respond, or if they will try and shake down the terrorist for bribes. A lot of this technology was not there in the eighties, nineties and noughties.
At this point, there is a shortage of police because they are busy washing cars in the judiciary or guarding "VIP's". There is a shortage of police cars because every "VIP" gets a chase car to ensure that they are insulated from their policy failures (traffic, insecurity etc). The state at this point does not really care about the citizen and it's primary concern is extracting the citizen (corporate included) to finance rent seekers who have no economic value. Our taxes keep increasing and because the state has a monopoly on violence, we are not really allowed to question how the state mis-uses our taxes.
What we have is not a technology problem but rather general failure of an arm of government.
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Kenyan Government needs to install the concept of Command, Control, Communications, Computers, Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance "C4ISR", like the US and Israel did. The youth are capable of helping in such an initiative, and the Govt needs to use the youth instead of denying them projects, when we are the ones who know how to write applications, use computer networks to implement ICT Products that cant effectively and efficiently help Kenyan Security
./Chucks
On 6/16/14, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke
wrote:
Listers,
In case you might not have heard, there has been a very serious security breach that has occurred in Mpeketoni, Lamu that has so far claimed close to 50 persons.
The details on this are here
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/mpeketoni-Lamu-gunfire-al-shabaab-terrorism/-/1...
To put this into context, Mpeketoni is the largest town, bar Lamu,
the Somali Border and Malindi and the center of commercial activity in
region.
So, as much as a lot of us might not know it, the fact that Al-Shabbab could drive trucks full of fighters into such a town and commit these crimes and then leave should send all the security-bells that we have ringing.
This is exactly how Boko Haram started in Nigeria and we are seeing it played out here right infront of us.
I think its time that we spoke as the local ICT Community and came up with a stand on what in our opinion needs to be done in ICT Terms to secure
between the this
nation.
As an example, it would actually be very irresponsible of us to let a few gentlemen to come together and tell us the solution to our current security problems, from an ICT perspective, is a police network deal that largely puts CCTV Cameras in Nairobi & Mombasa, when maybe nothing is being spent to secure our porous borders as well as actual on-the-ground intelligence collection.
We could send this as a proposal to the powers that be as well as the parliamentary ICT Committee and hope, nay, push, until something gets done. The way I see this working is, we draft a document, brief and simple with what our recommendations are, then Listers can comment on it. If largely agreeable, we send it to the powers that be.
Let me now what your thoughts are, and we could see what we can do about this.
-- *Regards,*
*Wait**haka Ngigi* Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi Synod Building T + 254 (0) 20 2333 471 |Office Mobile: +254 786 28 28 28 | M + 254 737 811 000 www.at.co.ke
-- -- Gichuki John Ndirangu, C.E.H , C.P.T.P, O.S.C.P I.T Security Analyst and Penetration Tester jgichuki at inbox d0t com
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We'll be able to judge how seriously GoK takes this by how high up the person is who gets fired. I suspect nobody will just like after Westgate ... and that's exactly how seriously they take it. -Adam -- Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> More Musings: varud.com About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Gichuki,
These are questions that are also very troubling to me.
If you think about it, the British Consulate in Mombasa, maybe the oldest consulate was closed last week amid terrorism fears. This not from any other Country, but UK, one country that has arguably the largest investment in Kenya, where a decision like that is not taken lightly.
And not even a week later, we get hit at Mpeketoni. Now, we might not have been able to stop it, but the least we would have done, having gotten the signals from our friends who were closing their Consulates at the coast, is to have been very well prepared.
I am told these guys hit at 20:00hrs and up until morning hours when they left no one had arrived to counter them. Yet, from the word go, the communication about the attack was all over, including social media. If this sounds familiar, its exactly what happened at Westgate.
I don't know what school you would have gone to if after these two very-similiar attacks you can recommend that our terrorism problems are quickly sorted by using an upgraded technology network.
IMO, it is time we talked the truth and called a spade a spade, starting with the fact that what has been recommended thus far is a white elephant and what we need more is more motivated & dedicated cops topped of with good leadership and quality intelligence.
Rgds
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia < chuksjonia@gmail.com> wrote:
Ask yourself, why did US embassy shut down before this, and why did UK Embassy do the same last week?
Did they get this information earlier?
How did they get it?
Phares,
Even saying "...this is not a technology problem ..." can be quite the answer to the problem.
One of the problems I am seeing with the recent trend is where there is this belief that once this 3G, 4G, 5G etc police network gets up, we will have gotten to the root of the problem. Its the classic case of having
only tool being a hammer, and no wonder the solution is Networks.
IMO, you would probably get more bang for your buck if you put half of
Ksh 15B budget into human intelligence i.e buying information from informants than through spending it on to getting real-time images from our cities.
Rgds
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Phares Kariuki via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I'm not convinced it's a technology issue, rather a lack of will. We've got people who benefit from the lack of security (ivory trade, drugs etc), so the government is not incentivised to fight crime in general. What
government fails to realise is that petty crime finances larger crimes. Al Shabaab does not have an investment bank where they can get a convertible note to finance a terror attack, it can't really list on the NSE. They traffic drugs, ivory etc. The solution is a thorough crack down on crime which generally tends to provide the intelligence bodies with much needed intel. We can't eat our cake and have it too. The government seems to think that they can have lax security policy and still somehow secure the country.
We additionally need to look at who is in charge of security policy. It's absurd to have someone who thinks that a crack down on tint (an illegal crack down no less) is in charge of the police force. The individual charged with enforcing the law does not understand or respect the law. The internal security minister is, frankly, clueless. We've got no cohesive security policy.
Crime has always been an issue. You might have technology, but it's worth precious little if it takes the armed forces 4-5 hours to respond, or if they will try and shake down the terrorist for bribes. A lot of this technology was not there in the eighties, nineties and noughties.
At this point, there is a shortage of police because they are busy washing cars in the judiciary or guarding "VIP's". There is a shortage of
cars because every "VIP" gets a chase car to ensure that they are insulated from their policy failures (traffic, insecurity etc). The state at this point does not really care about the citizen and it's primary concern is extracting the citizen (corporate included) to finance rent seekers who have no economic value. Our taxes keep increasing and because the state has a monopoly on violence, we are not really allowed to question how the state mis-uses our taxes.
What we have is not a technology problem but rather general failure of an arm of government.
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Kenyan Government needs to install the concept of Command, Control, Communications, Computers, Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance "C4ISR", like the US and Israel did. The youth are capable of helping in such an initiative, and the Govt needs to use the youth instead of denying them projects, when we are the ones who know how to write applications, use computer networks to implement ICT Products that cant effectively and efficiently help Kenyan Security
./Chucks
On 6/16/14, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
In case you might not have heard, there has been a very serious security breach that has occurred in Mpeketoni, Lamu that has so far claimed close to 50 persons.
The details on this are here
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/mpeketoni-Lamu-gunfire-al-shabaab-terrorism/-/1...
To put this into context, Mpeketoni is the largest town, bar Lamu,
the Somali Border and Malindi and the center of commercial activity in
between the
region.
So, as much as a lot of us might not know it, the fact that Al-Shabbab could drive trucks full of fighters into such a town and commit
crimes and then leave should send all the security-bells that we have ringing.
This is exactly how Boko Haram started in Nigeria and we are seeing it played out here right infront of us.
I think its time that we spoke as the local ICT Community and came up with a stand on what in our opinion needs to be done in ICT Terms to secure this nation.
As an example, it would actually be very irresponsible of us to let a few gentlemen to come together and tell us the solution to our current security problems, from an ICT perspective, is a police network deal that largely puts CCTV Cameras in Nairobi & Mombasa, when maybe nothing is being spent to secure our porous borders as well as actual on-the-ground intelligence collection.
We could send this as a proposal to the powers that be as well as
parliamentary ICT Committee and hope, nay, push, until something gets done. The way I see this working is, we draft a document, brief and simple with what our recommendations are, then Listers can comment on it. If largely agreeable, we send it to the powers that be.
Let me now what your thoughts are, and we could see what we can do about this.
-- *Regards,*
*Wait**haka Ngigi* Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi Synod Building T + 254 (0) 20 2333 471 |Office Mobile: +254 786 28 28 28 | M + 254 737 811 000 www.at.co.ke
-- -- Gichuki John Ndirangu, C.E.H , C.P.T.P, O.S.C.P I.T Security Analyst and Penetration Tester jgichuki at inbox d0t com
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During Westgate, 4 terrorists were able to hold back our military for 4-days. All that time, our top security officers were camping out there with misleading updates (such like 10 to 15 armed so and so...). In the end, the building went up in smoke days later and up to date; no one knows how that happened. Of cause in this country, that is such a small matter that nobody should be answerable over the miss-steps... And if Westgate was "small"; then Mpeketoni may not even warrant a scrutiny! On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Adam Nelson via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
We'll be able to judge how seriously GoK takes this by how high up the person is who gets fired. I suspect nobody will just like after Westgate ... and that's exactly how seriously they take it.
-Adam -- Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> More Musings: varud.com About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Gichuki,
These are questions that are also very troubling to me.
If you think about it, the British Consulate in Mombasa, maybe the oldest consulate was closed last week amid terrorism fears. This not from any other Country, but UK, one country that has arguably the largest investment in Kenya, where a decision like that is not taken lightly.
And not even a week later, we get hit at Mpeketoni. Now, we might not have been able to stop it, but the least we would have done, having gotten the signals from our friends who were closing their Consulates at the coast, is to have been very well prepared.
I am told these guys hit at 20:00hrs and up until morning hours when they left no one had arrived to counter them. Yet, from the word go, the communication about the attack was all over, including social media. If this sounds familiar, its exactly what happened at Westgate.
I don't know what school you would have gone to if after these two very-similiar attacks you can recommend that our terrorism problems are quickly sorted by using an upgraded technology network.
IMO, it is time we talked the truth and called a spade a spade, starting with the fact that what has been recommended thus far is a white elephant and what we need more is more motivated & dedicated cops topped of with good leadership and quality intelligence.
Rgds
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia < chuksjonia@gmail.com> wrote:
Ask yourself, why did US embassy shut down before this, and why did UK Embassy do the same last week?
Did they get this information earlier?
How did they get it?
Phares,
Even saying "...this is not a technology problem ..." can be quite the answer to the problem.
One of the problems I am seeing with the recent trend is where there is this belief that once this 3G, 4G, 5G etc police network gets up, we will have gotten to the root of the problem. Its the classic case of having
only tool being a hammer, and no wonder the solution is Networks.
IMO, you would probably get more bang for your buck if you put half of
Ksh 15B budget into human intelligence i.e buying information from informants than through spending it on to getting real-time images from our cities.
Rgds
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Phares Kariuki via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I'm not convinced it's a technology issue, rather a lack of will. We've got people who benefit from the lack of security (ivory trade, drugs etc), so the government is not incentivised to fight crime in general. What
government fails to realise is that petty crime finances larger crimes. Al Shabaab does not have an investment bank where they can get a convertible note to finance a terror attack, it can't really list on the NSE. They traffic drugs, ivory etc. The solution is a thorough crack down on crime which generally tends to provide the intelligence bodies with much needed intel. We can't eat our cake and have it too. The government seems to think that they can have lax security policy and still somehow secure the country.
We additionally need to look at who is in charge of security policy. It's absurd to have someone who thinks that a crack down on tint (an illegal crack down no less) is in charge of the police force. The individual charged with enforcing the law does not understand or respect the law. The internal security minister is, frankly, clueless. We've got no cohesive security policy.
Crime has always been an issue. You might have technology, but it's worth precious little if it takes the armed forces 4-5 hours to respond, or if they will try and shake down the terrorist for bribes. A lot of this technology was not there in the eighties, nineties and noughties.
At this point, there is a shortage of police because they are busy washing cars in the judiciary or guarding "VIP's". There is a shortage of
cars because every "VIP" gets a chase car to ensure that they are insulated from their policy failures (traffic, insecurity etc). The state at
point does not really care about the citizen and it's primary concern is extracting the citizen (corporate included) to finance rent seekers who have no economic value. Our taxes keep increasing and because the state has a monopoly on violence, we are not really allowed to question how the state mis-uses our taxes.
What we have is not a technology problem but rather general failure of an arm of government.
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Kenyan Government needs to install the concept of Command, Control, Communications, Computers, Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance "C4ISR", like the US and Israel did. The youth are capable of helping in such an initiative, and the Govt needs to use the youth instead of denying them projects, when we are the ones who know how to write applications, use computer networks to implement ICT Products that cant effectively and efficiently help Kenyan Security
./Chucks
On 6/16/14, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > Listers, > > In case you might not have heard, there has been a very serious > security > breach that has occurred in Mpeketoni, Lamu that has so far claimed close > to 50 persons. > > The details on this are here >
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/mpeketoni-Lamu-gunfire-al-shabaab-terrorism/-/1...
> > To put this into context, Mpeketoni is the largest town, bar Lamu, between > the Somali Border and Malindi and the center of commercial activity in the > region. > > So, as much as a lot of us might not know it, the fact that Al-Shabbab > could drive trucks full of fighters into such a town and commit
> crimes and then leave should send all the security-bells that we have > ringing. > > This is exactly how Boko Haram started in Nigeria and we are seeing it > played out here right infront of us. > > I think its time that we spoke as the local ICT Community and came up with > a stand on what in our opinion needs to be done in ICT Terms to secure this > nation. > > As an example, it would actually be very irresponsible of us to let a few > gentlemen to come together and tell us the solution to our current security > problems, from an ICT perspective, is a police network deal that > largely > puts CCTV Cameras in Nairobi & Mombasa, when maybe nothing is being spent > to secure our porous borders as well as actual on-the-ground intelligence > collection. > > We could send this as a proposal to the powers that be as well as
> parliamentary ICT Committee and hope, nay, push, until something gets done. > The way I see this working is, we draft a document, brief and simple with > what our recommendations are, then Listers can comment on it. If > largely > agreeable, we send it to the powers that be. > > Let me now what your thoughts are, and we could see what we can do > about > this. > > -- > *Regards,* > > *Wait**haka Ngigi* > Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi Synod > Building > T + 254 (0) 20 2333 471 |Office Mobile: +254 786 28 28 28 | M + 254 737 811 > 000 > www.at.co.ke >
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On Jun 16, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Philip Adar via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
During Westgate, 4 terrorists were able to hold back our military for 4-days. All that time, our top security officers were camping out there with misleading updates (such like 10 to 15 armed so and so...).
In the end, the building went up in smoke days later and up to date; no one knows how that happened.
Of cause in this country, that is such a small matter that nobody should be answerable over the miss-steps...
And if Westgate was "small"; then Mpeketoni may not even warrant a scrutiny!
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Adam Nelson via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: We'll be able to judge how seriously GoK takes this by how high up the person is who gets fired. I suspect nobody will just like after Westgate ... and that's exactly how seriously they take it.
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On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Gichuki,
These are questions that are also very troubling to me.
If you think about it, the British Consulate in Mombasa, maybe the oldest consulate was closed last week amid terrorism fears. This not from any other Country, but UK, one country that has arguably the largest investment in Kenya, where a decision like that is not taken lightly.
And not even a week later, we get hit at Mpeketoni. Now, we might not have been able to stop it, but the least we would have done, having gotten the signals from our friends who were closing their Consulates at the coast, is to have been very well prepared.
I am told these guys hit at 20:00hrs and up until morning hours when they left no one had arrived to counter them. Yet, from the word go, the communication about the attack was all over, including social media. If this sounds familiar, its exactly what happened at Westgate.
I don't know what school you would have gone to if after these two very-similiar attacks you can recommend that our terrorism problems are quickly sorted by using an upgraded technology network.
IMO, it is time we talked the truth and called a spade a spade, starting with the fact that what has been recommended thus far is a white elephant and what we need more is more motivated & dedicated cops topped of with good leadership and quality intelligence.
Rgds
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia <chuksjonia@gmail.com> wrote: Ask yourself, why did US embassy shut down before this, and why did UK Embassy do the same last week?
Did they get this information earlier?
How did they get it?
On 6/16/14, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Phares,
Even saying "...this is not a technology problem ..." can be quite the answer to the problem.
One of the problems I am seeing with the recent trend is where there is this belief that once this 3G, 4G, 5G etc police network gets up, we will have gotten to the root of the problem. Its the classic case of having the only tool being a hammer, and no wonder the solution is Networks.
IMO, you would probably get more bang for your buck if you put half of the Ksh 15B budget into human intelligence i.e buying information from informants than through spending it on to getting real-time images from our cities.
Rgds
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Phares Kariuki via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I'm not convinced it's a technology issue, rather a lack of will. We've got people who benefit from the lack of security (ivory trade, drugs etc), so the government is not incentivised to fight crime in general. What the government fails to realise is that petty crime finances larger crimes. Al Shabaab does not have an investment bank where they can get a convertible note to finance a terror attack, it can't really list on the NSE. They traffic drugs, ivory etc. The solution is a thorough crack down on crime which generally tends to provide the intelligence bodies with much needed intel. We can't eat our cake and have it too. The government seems to think that they can have lax security policy and still somehow secure the country.
We additionally need to look at who is in charge of security policy. It's absurd to have someone who thinks that a crack down on tint (an illegal crack down no less) is in charge of the police force. The individual charged with enforcing the law does not understand or respect the law. The internal security minister is, frankly, clueless. We've got no cohesive security policy.
Crime has always been an issue. You might have technology, but it's worth precious little if it takes the armed forces 4-5 hours to respond, or if they will try and shake down the terrorist for bribes. A lot of this technology was not there in the eighties, nineties and noughties.
At this point, there is a shortage of police because they are busy washing cars in the judiciary or guarding "VIP's". There is a shortage of police cars because every "VIP" gets a chase car to ensure that they are insulated from their policy failures (traffic, insecurity etc). The state at this point does not really care about the citizen and it's primary concern is extracting the citizen (corporate included) to finance rent seekers who have no economic value. Our taxes keep increasing and because the state has a monopoly on violence, we are not really allowed to question how the state mis-uses our taxes.
What we have is not a technology problem but rather general failure of an arm of government.
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> Kenyan Government needs to install the concept of Command, Control, > Communications, Computers, Intelligence, Surveillance and > Reconnaissance "C4ISR", like the US and Israel did. The youth are > capable of helping in such an initiative, and the Govt needs to use > the youth instead of denying them projects, when we are the ones who > know how to write applications, use computer networks to implement ICT > Products that cant effectively and efficiently help Kenyan Security > > ./Chucks > > On 6/16/14, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > wrote: > > Listers, > > > > In case you might not have heard, there has been a very serious > > security > > breach that has occurred in Mpeketoni, Lamu that has so far claimed > close > > to 50 persons. > > > > The details on this are here > > > http://www.nation.co.ke/news/mpeketoni-Lamu-gunfire-al-shabaab-terrorism/-/1... > > > > To put this into context, Mpeketoni is the largest town, bar Lamu, > between > > the Somali Border and Malindi and the center of commercial activity in > the > > region. > > > > So, as much as a lot of us might not know it, the fact that Al-Shabbab > > could drive trucks full of fighters into such a town and commit these > > crimes and then leave should send all the security-bells that we have > > ringing. > > > > This is exactly how Boko Haram started in Nigeria and we are seeing it > > played out here right infront of us. > > > > I think its time that we spoke as the local ICT Community and came up > with > > a stand on what in our opinion needs to be done in ICT Terms to secure > this > > nation. > > > > As an example, it would actually be very irresponsible of us to let a > few > > gentlemen to come together and tell us the solution to our current > security > > problems, from an ICT perspective, is a police network deal that > > largely > > puts CCTV Cameras in Nairobi & Mombasa, when maybe nothing is being > spent > > to secure our porous borders as well as actual on-the-ground > intelligence > > collection. > > > > We could send this as a proposal to the powers that be as well as the > > parliamentary ICT Committee and hope, nay, push, until something gets > done. > > The way I see this working is, we draft a document, brief and simple > with > > what our recommendations are, then Listers can comment on it. If > > largely > > agreeable, we send it to the powers that be. > > > > Let me now what your thoughts are, and we could see what we can do > > about > > this. > > > > -- > > *Regards,* > > > > *Wait**haka Ngigi* > > Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi Synod > > Building > > T + 254 (0) 20 2333 471 |Office Mobile: +254 786 28 28 28 | M + 254 > 737 811 > > 000 > > www.at.co.ke > > > > > -- > -- > Gichuki John Ndirangu, C.E.H , C.P.T.P, O.S.C.P > I.T Security Analyst and Penetration Tester > jgichuki at inbox d0t com > > {FORUM}http://lists.my.co.ke/pipermail/security/ > http://chuksjonia.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/pkariuki%40gmail.com > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform > for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and > regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and > development. > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors > online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and > bandwidth, > share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, > do > not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >
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In my opinion this squarely falls in the docket of the executive branch of Government. Technology solves nothing without the will to use it. 40 armed militia are not impossible to track whether in thick forest or open savannah. As Adam said, if no heads roll then it signals that no-one is at fault and we should accept it just like all the other incidents. The police are well trained. poorly equipped and lets not forget that they follow orders. The reason that no one responded for hours is because they were ordered not to. The reason the Killing of Satao was possible is because those that can stop it are deliberately ill equipped. Its not rocket science. None of this happens in Ethiopia where they have been beating up Alshabab till the Indian ocean for decades. They dont tolerate any crap. We tolerate alot of it. On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 7:51 PM, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Wagging the dog?
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On Jun 16, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Philip Adar via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
During Westgate, 4 terrorists were able to hold back our military for 4-days. All that time, our top security officers were camping out there with misleading updates (such like 10 to 15 armed so and so...).
In the end, the building went up in smoke days later and up to date; no one knows how that happened.
Of cause in this country, that is such a small matter that nobody should be answerable over the miss-steps...
And if Westgate was "small"; then Mpeketoni may not even warrant a scrutiny!
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Adam Nelson via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
We'll be able to judge how seriously GoK takes this by how high up the person is who gets fired. I suspect nobody will just like after Westgate ... and that's exactly how seriously they take it.
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On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Gichuki,
These are questions that are also very troubling to me.
If you think about it, the British Consulate in Mombasa, maybe the oldest consulate was closed last week amid terrorism fears. This not from any other Country, but UK, one country that has arguably the largest investment in Kenya, where a decision like that is not taken lightly.
And not even a week later, we get hit at Mpeketoni. Now, we might not have been able to stop it, but the least we would have done, having gotten the signals from our friends who were closing their Consulates at the coast, is to have been very well prepared.
I am told these guys hit at 20:00hrs and up until morning hours when they left no one had arrived to counter them. Yet, from the word go, the communication about the attack was all over, including social media. If this sounds familiar, its exactly what happened at Westgate.
I don't know what school you would have gone to if after these two very-similiar attacks you can recommend that our terrorism problems are quickly sorted by using an upgraded technology network.
IMO, it is time we talked the truth and called a spade a spade, starting with the fact that what has been recommended thus far is a white elephant and what we need more is more motivated & dedicated cops topped of with good leadership and quality intelligence.
Rgds
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia < chuksjonia@gmail.com> wrote:
Ask yourself, why did US embassy shut down before this, and why did UK Embassy do the same last week?
Did they get this information earlier?
How did they get it?
Phares,
Even saying "...this is not a technology problem ..." can be quite the answer to the problem.
One of the problems I am seeing with the recent trend is where there is this belief that once this 3G, 4G, 5G etc police network gets up, we will have gotten to the root of the problem. Its the classic case of having the only tool being a hammer, and no wonder the solution is Networks.
IMO, you would probably get more bang for your buck if you put half of the Ksh 15B budget into human intelligence i.e buying information from informants than through spending it on to getting real-time images from our cities.
Rgds
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Phares Kariuki via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I'm not convinced it's a technology issue, rather a lack of will. We've got people who benefit from the lack of security (ivory trade, drugs etc), so the government is not incentivised to fight crime in general. What the government fails to realise is that petty crime finances larger crimes. Al Shabaab does not have an investment bank where they can get a convertible note to finance a terror attack, it can't really list on the NSE. They traffic drugs, ivory etc. The solution is a thorough crack down on crime which generally tends to provide the intelligence bodies with much needed intel. We can't eat our cake and have it too. The government seems to think that they can have lax security policy and still somehow secure the country.
We additionally need to look at who is in charge of security policy. It's absurd to have someone who thinks that a crack down on tint (an illegal crack down no less) is in charge of the police force. The individual charged with enforcing the law does not understand or respect the law. The internal security minister is, frankly, clueless. We've got no cohesive security policy.
Crime has always been an issue. You might have technology, but it's worth precious little if it takes the armed forces 4-5 hours to respond, or if they will try and shake down the terrorist for bribes. A lot of this technology was not there in the eighties, nineties and noughties.
At this point, there is a shortage of police because they are busy washing cars in the judiciary or guarding "VIP's". There is a shortage of
cars because every "VIP" gets a chase car to ensure that they are insulated from their policy failures (traffic, insecurity etc). The state at
point does not really care about the citizen and it's primary concern is extracting the citizen (corporate included) to finance rent seekers who have no economic value. Our taxes keep increasing and because the state has a monopoly on violence, we are not really allowed to question how the state mis-uses our taxes.
What we have is not a technology problem but rather general failure of an arm of government.
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> Kenyan Government needs to install the concept of Command, Control, > Communications, Computers, Intelligence, Surveillance and > Reconnaissance "C4ISR", like the US and Israel did. The youth are > capable of helping in such an initiative, and the Govt needs to use > the youth instead of denying them projects, when we are the ones who > know how to write applications, use computer networks to implement ICT > Products that cant effectively and efficiently help Kenyan Security > > ./Chucks > > On 6/16/14, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > wrote: > > Listers, > > > > In case you might not have heard, there has been a very serious > > security > > breach that has occurred in Mpeketoni, Lamu that has so far claimed > close > > to 50 persons. > > > > The details on this are here > > > http://www.nation.co.ke/news/mpeketoni-Lamu-gunfire-al-shabaab-terrorism/-/1... > > > > To put this into context, Mpeketoni is the largest town, bar Lamu, > between > > the Somali Border and Malindi and the center of commercial activity in > the > > region. > > > > So, as much as a lot of us might not know it, the fact that Al-Shabbab > > could drive trucks full of fighters into such a town and commit
> > crimes and then leave should send all the security-bells that we have > > ringing. > > > > This is exactly how Boko Haram started in Nigeria and we are seeing it > > played out here right infront of us. > > > > I think its time that we spoke as the local ICT Community and came up > with > > a stand on what in our opinion needs to be done in ICT Terms to secure > this > > nation. > > > > As an example, it would actually be very irresponsible of us to let a > few > > gentlemen to come together and tell us the solution to our current > security > > problems, from an ICT perspective, is a police network deal that > > largely > > puts CCTV Cameras in Nairobi & Mombasa, when maybe nothing is being > spent > > to secure our porous borders as well as actual on-the-ground > intelligence > > collection. > > > > We could send this as a proposal to the powers that be as well as
> > parliamentary ICT Committee and hope, nay, push, until something gets > done. > > The way I see this working is, we draft a document, brief and simple > with > > what our recommendations are, then Listers can comment on it. If > > largely > > agreeable, we send it to the powers that be. > > > > Let me now what your thoughts are, and we could see what we can do > > about > > this. > > > > -- > > *Regards,* > > > > *Wait**haka Ngigi* > > Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi Synod > > Building > > T + 254 (0) 20 2333 471 |Office Mobile: +254 786 28 28 28 | M + 254 > 737 811 > > 000 > > www.at.co.ke > > > > > -- > -- > Gichuki John Ndirangu, C.E.H , C.P.T.P, O.S.C.P > I.T Security Analyst and Penetration Tester > jgichuki at inbox d0t com > > {FORUM}http://lists.my.co.ke/pipermail/security/ > http://chuksjonia.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/pkariuki%40gmail.com > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder
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In India, when a train derails, the Minister of transport resigns. A train to which he has no control of. We Kenyans demand so little. Enough said. On 16/06/2014, Mark Mwangi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
In my opinion this squarely falls in the docket of the executive branch of Government. Technology solves nothing without the will to use it. 40 armed militia are not impossible to track whether in thick forest or open savannah. As Adam said, if no heads roll then it signals that no-one is at fault and we should accept it just like all the other incidents.
The police are well trained. poorly equipped and lets not forget that they follow orders. The reason that no one responded for hours is because they were ordered not to. The reason the Killing of Satao was possible is because those that can stop it are deliberately ill equipped. Its not rocket science.
None of this happens in Ethiopia where they have been beating up Alshabab till the Indian ocean for decades. They dont tolerate any crap. We tolerate alot of it.
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 7:51 PM, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
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On Jun 16, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Philip Adar via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
During Westgate, 4 terrorists were able to hold back our military for 4-days. All that time, our top security officers were camping out there with misleading updates (such like 10 to 15 armed so and so...).
In the end, the building went up in smoke days later and up to date; no one knows how that happened.
Of cause in this country, that is such a small matter that nobody should be answerable over the miss-steps...
And if Westgate was "small"; then Mpeketoni may not even warrant a scrutiny!
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Adam Nelson via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
We'll be able to judge how seriously GoK takes this by how high up the person is who gets fired. I suspect nobody will just like after Westgate ... and that's exactly how seriously they take it.
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On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Gichuki,
These are questions that are also very troubling to me.
If you think about it, the British Consulate in Mombasa, maybe the oldest consulate was closed last week amid terrorism fears. This not from any other Country, but UK, one country that has arguably the largest investment in Kenya, where a decision like that is not taken lightly.
And not even a week later, we get hit at Mpeketoni. Now, we might not have been able to stop it, but the least we would have done, having gotten the signals from our friends who were closing their Consulates at the coast, is to have been very well prepared.
I am told these guys hit at 20:00hrs and up until morning hours when they left no one had arrived to counter them. Yet, from the word go, the communication about the attack was all over, including social media. If this sounds familiar, its exactly what happened at Westgate.
I don't know what school you would have gone to if after these two very-similiar attacks you can recommend that our terrorism problems are quickly sorted by using an upgraded technology network.
IMO, it is time we talked the truth and called a spade a spade, starting with the fact that what has been recommended thus far is a white elephant and what we need more is more motivated & dedicated cops topped of with good leadership and quality intelligence.
Rgds
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia < chuksjonia@gmail.com> wrote:
Ask yourself, why did US embassy shut down before this, and why did UK Embassy do the same last week?
Did they get this information earlier?
How did they get it?
Phares,
Even saying "...this is not a technology problem ..." can be quite the answer to the problem.
One of the problems I am seeing with the recent trend is where there is this belief that once this 3G, 4G, 5G etc police network gets up, we will have gotten to the root of the problem. Its the classic case of having the only tool being a hammer, and no wonder the solution is Networks.
IMO, you would probably get more bang for your buck if you put half of the Ksh 15B budget into human intelligence i.e buying information from informants than through spending it on to getting real-time images from our cities.
Rgds
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Phares Kariuki via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> I'm not convinced it's a technology issue, rather a lack of will. We've > got people who benefit from the lack of security (ivory trade, > drugs > etc), > so the government is not incentivised to fight crime in general. What the > government fails to realise is that petty crime finances larger crimes. > Al > Shabaab does not have an investment bank where they can get a convertible > note to finance a terror attack, it can't really list on the NSE. They > traffic drugs, ivory etc. The solution is a thorough crack down on crime > which generally tends to provide the intelligence bodies with much needed > intel. We can't eat our cake and have it too. The government seems > to > think > that they can have lax security policy and still somehow secure the > country. > > We additionally need to look at who is in charge of security > policy. It's > absurd to have someone who thinks that a crack down on tint (an illegal > crack down no less) is in charge of the police force. The > individual > charged with enforcing the law does not understand or respect the law. > The > internal security minister is, frankly, clueless. We've got no cohesive > security policy. > > Crime has always been an issue. You might have technology, but it's worth > precious little if it takes the armed forces 4-5 hours to respond, or if > they will try and shake down the terrorist for bribes. A lot of > this > technology was not there in the eighties, nineties and noughties. > > At this point, there is a shortage of police because they are busy > washing > cars in the judiciary or guarding "VIP's". There is a shortage of
> cars because every "VIP" gets a chase car to ensure that they are > insulated > from their policy failures (traffic, insecurity etc). The state at
> point does not really care about the citizen and it's primary concern is > extracting the citizen (corporate included) to finance rent seekers who > have no economic value. Our taxes keep increasing and because the state > has > a monopoly on violence, we are not really allowed to question how > the > state > mis-uses our taxes. > > What we have is not a technology problem but rather general failure of an > arm of government. > > > On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia via kictanet < > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > >> Kenyan Government needs to install the concept of Command, >> Control, >> Communications, Computers, Intelligence, Surveillance and >> Reconnaissance "C4ISR", like the US and Israel did. The youth are >> capable of helping in such an initiative, and the Govt needs to >> use >> the youth instead of denying them projects, when we are the ones >> who >> know how to write applications, use computer networks to implement ICT >> Products that cant effectively and efficiently help Kenyan >> Security >> >> ./Chucks >> >> On 6/16/14, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> wrote: >> > Listers, >> > >> > In case you might not have heard, there has been a very serious >> > security >> > breach that has occurred in Mpeketoni, Lamu that has so far claimed >> close >> > to 50 persons. >> > >> > The details on this are here >> > >> http://www.nation.co.ke/news/mpeketoni-Lamu-gunfire-al-shabaab-terrorism/-/1... >> > >> > To put this into context, Mpeketoni is the largest town, bar >> > Lamu, >> between >> > the Somali Border and Malindi and the center of commercial activity in >> the >> > region. >> > >> > So, as much as a lot of us might not know it, the fact that Al-Shabbab >> > could drive trucks full of fighters into such a town and commit
>> > crimes and then leave should send all the security-bells that we have >> > ringing. >> > >> > This is exactly how Boko Haram started in Nigeria and we are seeing it >> > played out here right infront of us. >> > >> > I think its time that we spoke as the local ICT Community and came up >> with >> > a stand on what in our opinion needs to be done in ICT Terms to secure >> this >> > nation. >> > >> > As an example, it would actually be very irresponsible of us to let a >> few >> > gentlemen to come together and tell us the solution to our >> > current >> security >> > problems, from an ICT perspective, is a police network deal that >> > largely >> > puts CCTV Cameras in Nairobi & Mombasa, when maybe nothing is being >> spent >> > to secure our porous borders as well as actual on-the-ground >> intelligence >> > collection. >> > >> > We could send this as a proposal to the powers that be as well >> > as
>> > parliamentary ICT Committee and hope, nay, push, until something gets >> done. >> > The way I see this working is, we draft a document, brief and simple >> with >> > what our recommendations are, then Listers can comment on it. If >> > largely >> > agreeable, we send it to the powers that be. >> > >> > Let me now what your thoughts are, and we could see what we can >> > do >> > about >> > this. >> > >> > -- >> > *Regards,* >> > >> > *Wait**haka Ngigi* >> > Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi Synod >> > Building >> > T + 254 (0) 20 2333 471 |Office Mobile: +254 786 28 28 28 | M + 254 >> 737 811 >> > 000 >> > www.at.co.ke >> > >> >> >> -- >> -- >> Gichuki John Ndirangu, C.E.H , C.P.T.P, O.S.C.P >> I.T Security Analyst and Penetration Tester >> jgichuki at inbox d0t com >> >> {FORUM}http://lists.my.co.ke/pipermail/security/ >> http://chuksjonia.blogspot.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke >> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/pkariuki%40gmail.com >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder
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In South Korea, when a ferry sinks and people are killed; the prime minister resign even though he was not the captain of the ship, neither did he own it. On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 9:46 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
In India, when a train derails, the Minister of transport resigns. A train to which he has no control of. We Kenyans demand so little.
Enough said.
In my opinion this squarely falls in the docket of the executive branch of Government. Technology solves nothing without the will to use it. 40 armed militia are not impossible to track whether in thick forest or open savannah. As Adam said, if no heads roll then it signals that no-one is at fault and we should accept it just like all the other incidents.
The police are well trained. poorly equipped and lets not forget that
follow orders. The reason that no one responded for hours is because they were ordered not to. The reason the Killing of Satao was possible is because those that can stop it are deliberately ill equipped. Its not rocket science.
None of this happens in Ethiopia where they have been beating up Alshabab till the Indian ocean for decades. They dont tolerate any crap. We tolerate alot of it.
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 7:51 PM, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Wagging the dog?
http://www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2014/06/political-link-likely-in-mpeketoni-a...
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On Jun 16, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Philip Adar via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
During Westgate, 4 terrorists were able to hold back our military for 4-days. All that time, our top security officers were camping out there with misleading updates (such like 10 to 15 armed so and so...).
In the end, the building went up in smoke days later and up to date; no one knows how that happened.
Of cause in this country, that is such a small matter that nobody should be answerable over the miss-steps...
And if Westgate was "small"; then Mpeketoni may not even warrant a scrutiny!
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Adam Nelson via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
We'll be able to judge how seriously GoK takes this by how high up the person is who gets fired. I suspect nobody will just like after Westgate ... and that's exactly how seriously they take it.
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On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Gichuki,
These are questions that are also very troubling to me.
If you think about it, the British Consulate in Mombasa, maybe the oldest consulate was closed last week amid terrorism fears. This not from any other Country, but UK, one country that has arguably the largest investment in Kenya, where a decision like that is not taken lightly.
And not even a week later, we get hit at Mpeketoni. Now, we might not have been able to stop it, but the least we would have done, having gotten the signals from our friends who were closing their Consulates at the coast, is to have been very well prepared.
I am told these guys hit at 20:00hrs and up until morning hours when they left no one had arrived to counter them. Yet, from the word go, the communication about the attack was all over, including social media. If this sounds familiar, its exactly what happened at Westgate.
I don't know what school you would have gone to if after these two very-similiar attacks you can recommend that our terrorism problems are quickly sorted by using an upgraded technology network.
IMO, it is time we talked the truth and called a spade a spade, starting with the fact that what has been recommended thus far is a white elephant and what we need more is more motivated & dedicated cops topped of with good leadership and quality intelligence.
Rgds
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia < chuksjonia@gmail.com> wrote:
Ask yourself, why did US embassy shut down before this, and why did UK Embassy do the same last week?
Did they get this information earlier?
How did they get it?
On 6/16/14, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > Phares, > > Even saying "...this is not a technology problem ..." can be quite > the > answer to the problem. > > One of the problems I am seeing with the recent trend is where
is > this belief that once this 3G, 4G, 5G etc police network gets up, we will > have gotten to the root of the problem. Its the classic case of having the > only tool being a hammer, and no wonder the solution is Networks. > > IMO, you would probably get more bang for your buck if you put half of the > Ksh 15B budget into human intelligence i.e buying information from > informants than through spending it on to getting real-time images from our > cities. > > Rgds > > > On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Phares Kariuki via kictanet < > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > >> I'm not convinced it's a technology issue, rather a lack of will. We've >> got people who benefit from the lack of security (ivory trade, >> drugs >> etc), >> so the government is not incentivised to fight crime in general. What the >> government fails to realise is that petty crime finances larger crimes. >> Al >> Shabaab does not have an investment bank where they can get a convertible >> note to finance a terror attack, it can't really list on the NSE. They >> traffic drugs, ivory etc. The solution is a thorough crack down on crime >> which generally tends to provide the intelligence bodies with much needed >> intel. We can't eat our cake and have it too. The government seems >> to >> think >> that they can have lax security policy and still somehow secure
>> country. >> >> We additionally need to look at who is in charge of security >> policy. It's >> absurd to have someone who thinks that a crack down on tint (an illegal >> crack down no less) is in charge of the police force. The >> individual >> charged with enforcing the law does not understand or respect the law. >> The >> internal security minister is, frankly, clueless. We've got no cohesive >> security policy. >> >> Crime has always been an issue. You might have technology, but it's worth >> precious little if it takes the armed forces 4-5 hours to respond, or if >> they will try and shake down the terrorist for bribes. A lot of >> this >> technology was not there in the eighties, nineties and noughties. >> >> At this point, there is a shortage of police because they are busy >> washing >> cars in the judiciary or guarding "VIP's". There is a shortage of police >> cars because every "VIP" gets a chase car to ensure that they are >> insulated >> from their policy failures (traffic, insecurity etc). The state at this >> point does not really care about the citizen and it's primary concern is >> extracting the citizen (corporate included) to finance rent seekers who >> have no economic value. Our taxes keep increasing and because the state >> has >> a monopoly on violence, we are not really allowed to question how >> the >> state >> mis-uses our taxes. >> >> What we have is not a technology problem but rather general failure of an >> arm of government. >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia via kictanet < >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >> >>> Kenyan Government needs to install the concept of Command, >>> Control, >>> Communications, Computers, Intelligence, Surveillance and >>> Reconnaissance "C4ISR", like the US and Israel did. The youth are >>> capable of helping in such an initiative, and the Govt needs to >>> use >>> the youth instead of denying them projects, when we are the ones >>> who >>> know how to write applications, use computer networks to implement ICT >>> Products that cant effectively and efficiently help Kenyan >>> Security >>> >>> ./Chucks >>> >>> On 6/16/14, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> >>> wrote: >>> > Listers, >>> > >>> > In case you might not have heard, there has been a very serious >>> > security >>> > breach that has occurred in Mpeketoni, Lamu that has so far claimed >>> close >>> > to 50 persons. >>> > >>> > The details on this are here >>> > >>>
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Looks like alshabab have the capability to use Cyber Space domain of war, by jamming networks, when even we are not ready for such Information Warfare tactics. On 6/17/14, Philip Adar via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
In South Korea, when a ferry sinks and people are killed; the prime minister resign even though he was not the captain of the ship, neither did he own it.
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 9:46 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
In India, when a train derails, the Minister of transport resigns. A train to which he has no control of. We Kenyans demand so little.
Enough said.
In my opinion this squarely falls in the docket of the executive branch of Government. Technology solves nothing without the will to use it. 40 armed militia are not impossible to track whether in thick forest or open savannah. As Adam said, if no heads roll then it signals that no-one is at fault and we should accept it just like all the other incidents.
The police are well trained. poorly equipped and lets not forget that
follow orders. The reason that no one responded for hours is because they were ordered not to. The reason the Killing of Satao was possible is because those that can stop it are deliberately ill equipped. Its not rocket science.
None of this happens in Ethiopia where they have been beating up Alshabab till the Indian ocean for decades. They dont tolerate any crap. We tolerate alot of it.
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 7:51 PM, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Wagging the dog?
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On Jun 16, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Philip Adar via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
During Westgate, 4 terrorists were able to hold back our military for 4-days. All that time, our top security officers were camping out there with misleading updates (such like 10 to 15 armed so and so...).
In the end, the building went up in smoke days later and up to date; no one knows how that happened.
Of cause in this country, that is such a small matter that nobody should be answerable over the miss-steps...
And if Westgate was "small"; then Mpeketoni may not even warrant a scrutiny!
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Adam Nelson via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
We'll be able to judge how seriously GoK takes this by how high up the person is who gets fired. I suspect nobody will just like after Westgate ... and that's exactly how seriously they take it.
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On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Gichuki,
These are questions that are also very troubling to me.
If you think about it, the British Consulate in Mombasa, maybe the oldest consulate was closed last week amid terrorism fears. This not from any other Country, but UK, one country that has arguably the largest investment in Kenya, where a decision like that is not taken lightly.
And not even a week later, we get hit at Mpeketoni. Now, we might not have been able to stop it, but the least we would have done, having gotten the signals from our friends who were closing their Consulates at the coast, is to have been very well prepared.
I am told these guys hit at 20:00hrs and up until morning hours when they left no one had arrived to counter them. Yet, from the word go, the communication about the attack was all over, including social media. If this sounds familiar, its exactly what happened at Westgate.
I don't know what school you would have gone to if after these two very-similiar attacks you can recommend that our terrorism problems are quickly sorted by using an upgraded technology network.
IMO, it is time we talked the truth and called a spade a spade, starting with the fact that what has been recommended thus far is a white elephant and what we need more is more motivated & dedicated cops topped of with good leadership and quality intelligence.
Rgds
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> Ask yourself, why did US embassy shut down before this, and why did UK > Embassy do the same last week? > > Did they get this information earlier? > > How did they get it? > > > > On 6/16/14, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet > <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > wrote: > > Phares, > > > > Even saying "...this is not a technology problem ..." can be > > quite > > the > > answer to the problem. > > > > One of the problems I am seeing with the recent trend is where
> is > > this belief that once this 3G, 4G, 5G etc police network gets up, we > will > > have gotten to the root of the problem. Its the classic case of > having the > > only tool being a hammer, and no wonder the solution is Networks. > > > > IMO, you would probably get more bang for your buck if you put > > half > of the > > Ksh 15B budget into human intelligence i.e buying information > > from > > informants than through spending it on to getting real-time > > images > from our > > cities. > > > > Rgds > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Phares Kariuki via kictanet < > > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > > >> I'm not convinced it's a technology issue, rather a lack of > >> will. > We've > >> got people who benefit from the lack of security (ivory trade, > >> drugs > >> etc), > >> so the government is not incentivised to fight crime in general. > What the > >> government fails to realise is that petty crime finances larger > crimes. > >> Al > >> Shabaab does not have an investment bank where they can get a > convertible > >> note to finance a terror attack, it can't really list on the > >> NSE. > They > >> traffic drugs, ivory etc. The solution is a thorough crack down > >> on > crime > >> which generally tends to provide the intelligence bodies with > >> much > needed > >> intel. We can't eat our cake and have it too. The government > >> seems > >> to > >> think > >> that they can have lax security policy and still somehow secure
> >> country. > >> > >> We additionally need to look at who is in charge of security > >> policy. > It's > >> absurd to have someone who thinks that a crack down on tint (an > illegal > >> crack down no less) is in charge of the police force. The > >> individual > >> charged with enforcing the law does not understand or respect > >> the > law. > >> The > >> internal security minister is, frankly, clueless. We've got no > cohesive > >> security policy. > >> > >> Crime has always been an issue. You might have technology, but it's > worth > >> precious little if it takes the armed forces 4-5 hours to > >> respond, > or if > >> they will try and shake down the terrorist for bribes. A lot of > >> this > >> technology was not there in the eighties, nineties and > >> noughties. > >> > >> At this point, there is a shortage of police because they are > >> busy > >> washing > >> cars in the judiciary or guarding "VIP's". There is a shortage > >> of > police > >> cars because every "VIP" gets a chase car to ensure that they > >> are > >> insulated > >> from their policy failures (traffic, insecurity etc). The state > >> at > this > >> point does not really care about the citizen and it's primary > concern is > >> extracting the citizen (corporate included) to finance rent seekers > who > >> have no economic value. Our taxes keep increasing and because > >> the > state > >> has > >> a monopoly on violence, we are not really allowed to question > >> how > >> the > >> state > >> mis-uses our taxes. > >> > >> What we have is not a technology problem but rather general failure > of an > >> arm of government. > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia via > kictanet < > >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > >> > >>> Kenyan Government needs to install the concept of Command, > >>> Control, > >>> Communications, Computers, Intelligence, Surveillance and > >>> Reconnaissance "C4ISR", like the US and Israel did. The youth > >>> are > >>> capable of helping in such an initiative, and the Govt needs to > >>> use > >>> the youth instead of denying them projects, when we are the > >>> ones > >>> who > >>> know how to write applications, use computer networks to implement > ICT > >>> Products that cant effectively and efficiently help Kenyan > >>> Security > >>> > >>> ./Chucks > >>> > >>> On 6/16/14, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > >>> wrote: > >>> > Listers, > >>> > > >>> > In case you might not have heard, there has been a very > >>> > serious > >>> > security > >>> > breach that has occurred in Mpeketoni, Lamu that has so far > claimed > >>> close > >>> > to 50 persons. > >>> > > >>> > The details on this are here > >>> > > >>> > http://www.nation.co.ke/news/mpeketoni-Lamu-gunfire-al-shabaab-terrorism/-/1... > >>> > > >>> > To put this into context, Mpeketoni is the largest town, bar > >>> > Lamu, > >>> between > >>> > the Somali Border and Malindi and the center of commercial > activity in > >>> the > >>> > region. > >>> > > >>> > So, as much as a lot of us might not know it, the fact that > Al-Shabbab > >>> > could drive trucks full of fighters into such a town and > >>> > commit > these > >>> > crimes and then leave should send all the security-bells that we > have > >>> > ringing. > >>> > > >>> > This is exactly how Boko Haram started in Nigeria and we are > seeing it > >>> > played out here right infront of us. > >>> > > >>> > I think its time that we spoke as the local ICT Community and > came up > >>> with > >>> > a stand on what in our opinion needs to be done in ICT Terms > >>> > to > secure > >>> this > >>> > nation. > >>> > > >>> > As an example, it would actually be very irresponsible of us > >>> > to > let a > >>> few > >>> > gentlemen to come together and tell us the solution to our > >>> > current > >>> security > >>> > problems, from an ICT perspective, is a police network deal
> >>> > largely > >>> > puts CCTV Cameras in Nairobi & Mombasa, when maybe nothing is > being > >>> spent > >>> > to secure our porous borders as well as actual on-the-ground > >>> intelligence > >>> > collection. > >>> > > >>> > We could send this as a proposal to the powers that be as > >>> > well > >>> > as > the > >>> > parliamentary ICT Committee and hope, nay, push, until something > gets > >>> done. > >>> > The way I see this working is, we draft a document, brief and > simple > >>> with > >>> > what our recommendations are, then Listers can comment on it. If > >>> > largely > >>> > agreeable, we send it to the powers that be. > >>> > > >>> > Let me now what your thoughts are, and we could see what we > >>> > can > >>> > do > >>> > about > >>> > this. > >>> > > >>> > -- > >>> > *Regards,* > >>> > > >>> > *Wait**haka Ngigi* > >>> > Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi > Synod > >>> > Building > >>> > T + 254 (0) 20 2333 471 |Office Mobile: +254 786 28 28 28 | M > >>> > + > 254 > >>> 737 811 > >>> > 000 > >>> > www.at.co.ke > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> -- > >>> Gichuki John Ndirangu, C.E.H , C.P.T.P, O.S.C.P > >>> I.T Security Analyst and Penetration Tester > >>> jgichuki at inbox d0t com > >>> > >>> {FORUM}http://lists.my.co.ke/pipermail/security/ > >>> http://chuksjonia.blogspot.com/ > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> kictanet mailing list > >>> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > >>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > >>> > >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at > >>> > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/pkariuki%40gmail.com > >>> > >>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder > platform > >>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT > >>> policy > and > >>> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in > >>> the > ICT > >>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and > >>> development. > >>> > >>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable > behaviors > >>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and > >>> bandwidth, > >>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect > privacy, > >>> do > >>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Warm Regards, > >> > >> Phares Kariuki > >> > >> *E*: pkariuki@gmail.com | *Twitter*: kaboro |* Skype*: > kariukiphares | > >> *B* > >> : http://www.kaboro.com/ | > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> kictanet mailing list > >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > >> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > >> > >> Unsubscribe or change your options at > >> > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ngigi%40at.co.ke > >> > >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder > platform > >> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT > >> policy > >> and > >> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in
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Phares, You have just hit it but how do we resolve? * We have a new constitution but it is not protecting us enough. * Very often we get new legislation but they are only widening the gaps. * Budgets read year in year out only promoting same ills; increased tax burden on certain sectors to bear the reduced tax on others etc Regards, Okech JM My blog On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 11:33 AM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Looks like alshabab have the capability to use Cyber Space domain of war, by jamming networks, when even we are not ready for such Information Warfare tactics. On 6/17/14, Philip Adar via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
In South Korea, when a ferry sinks and people are killed; the prime minister resign even though he was not the captain of the ship, neither did he own it.
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 9:46 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
In India, when a train derails, the Minister of transport resigns. A train to which he has no control of. We Kenyans demand so little.
Enough said.
In my opinion this squarely falls in the docket of the executive branch of Government. Technology solves nothing without the will to use it. 40 armed militia are not impossible to track whether in thick forest or open savannah. As Adam said, if no heads roll then it signals that no-one is at fault and we should accept it just like all the other incidents.
The police are well trained. poorly equipped and lets not forget that
follow orders. The reason that no one responded for hours is because they were ordered not to. The reason the Killing of Satao was possible is because those that can stop it are deliberately ill equipped. Its not rocket science.
None of this happens in Ethiopia where they have been beating up Alshabab till the Indian ocean for decades. They dont tolerate any crap. We tolerate alot of it.
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 7:51 PM, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Wagging the dog?
http://www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2014/06/political-link-likely-in-mpeketoni-a...
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On Jun 16, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Philip Adar via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
During Westgate, 4 terrorists were able to hold back our military for 4-days. All that time, our top security officers were camping out there with misleading updates (such like 10 to 15 armed so and so...).
In the end, the building went up in smoke days later and up to date; no one knows how that happened.
Of cause in this country, that is such a small matter that nobody should be answerable over the miss-steps...
And if Westgate was "small"; then Mpeketoni may not even warrant a scrutiny!
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Adam Nelson via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
We'll be able to judge how seriously GoK takes this by how high up the person is who gets fired. I suspect nobody will just like after Westgate ... and that's exactly how seriously they take it.
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On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Gichuki,
These are questions that are also very troubling to me.
If you think about it, the British Consulate in Mombasa, maybe the oldest consulate was closed last week amid terrorism fears. This not from any other Country, but UK, one country that has arguably the largest investment in Kenya, where a decision like that is not taken lightly.
And not even a week later, we get hit at Mpeketoni. Now, we might not have been able to stop it, but the least we would have done, having gotten the signals from our friends who were closing their Consulates at the coast, is to have been very well prepared.
I am told these guys hit at 20:00hrs and up until morning hours when they left no one had arrived to counter them. Yet, from the word go, the communication about the attack was all over, including social media. If this sounds familiar, its exactly what happened at Westgate.
I don't know what school you would have gone to if after these two very-similiar attacks you can recommend that our terrorism problems are quickly sorted by using an upgraded technology network.
IMO, it is time we talked the truth and called a spade a spade, starting with the fact that what has been recommended thus far is a white elephant and what we need more is more motivated & dedicated cops topped of with good leadership and quality intelligence.
Rgds
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia < chuksjonia@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ask yourself, why did US embassy shut down before this, and why did UK > Embassy do the same last week? > > Did they get this information earlier? > > How did they get it? > > > > On 6/16/14, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet > <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > wrote: > > Phares, > > > > Even saying "...this is not a technology problem ..." can be > > quite > > the > > answer to the problem. > > > > One of the problems I am seeing with the recent trend is where
> is > > this belief that once this 3G, 4G, 5G etc police network gets up, we > will > > have gotten to the root of the problem. Its the classic case of > having the > > only tool being a hammer, and no wonder the solution is Networks. > > > > IMO, you would probably get more bang for your buck if you put > > half > of the > > Ksh 15B budget into human intelligence i.e buying information > > from > > informants than through spending it on to getting real-time > > images > from our > > cities. > > > > Rgds > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Phares Kariuki via kictanet < > > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > > >> I'm not convinced it's a technology issue, rather a lack of > >> will. > We've > >> got people who benefit from the lack of security (ivory trade, > >> drugs > >> etc), > >> so the government is not incentivised to fight crime in general. > What the > >> government fails to realise is that petty crime finances larger > crimes. > >> Al > >> Shabaab does not have an investment bank where they can get a > convertible > >> note to finance a terror attack, it can't really list on the > >> NSE. > They > >> traffic drugs, ivory etc. The solution is a thorough crack down > >> on > crime > >> which generally tends to provide the intelligence bodies with > >> much > needed > >> intel. We can't eat our cake and have it too. The government > >> seems > >> to > >> think > >> that they can have lax security policy and still somehow secure
> >> country. > >> > >> We additionally need to look at who is in charge of security > >> policy. > It's > >> absurd to have someone who thinks that a crack down on tint (an > illegal > >> crack down no less) is in charge of the police force. The > >> individual > >> charged with enforcing the law does not understand or respect > >> the > law. > >> The > >> internal security minister is, frankly, clueless. We've got no > cohesive > >> security policy. > >> > >> Crime has always been an issue. You might have technology, but it's > worth > >> precious little if it takes the armed forces 4-5 hours to > >> respond, > or if > >> they will try and shake down the terrorist for bribes. A lot of > >> this > >> technology was not there in the eighties, nineties and > >> noughties. > >> > >> At this point, there is a shortage of police because they are > >> busy > >> washing > >> cars in the judiciary or guarding "VIP's". There is a shortage > >> of > police > >> cars because every "VIP" gets a chase car to ensure that they > >> are > >> insulated > >> from their policy failures (traffic, insecurity etc). The state > >> at > this > >> point does not really care about the citizen and it's primary > concern is > >> extracting the citizen (corporate included) to finance rent seekers > who > >> have no economic value. Our taxes keep increasing and because > >> the > state > >> has > >> a monopoly on violence, we are not really allowed to question > >> how > >> the > >> state > >> mis-uses our taxes. > >> > >> What we have is not a technology problem but rather general failure > of an > >> arm of government. > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia via > kictanet < > >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > >> > >>> Kenyan Government needs to install the concept of Command, > >>> Control, > >>> Communications, Computers, Intelligence, Surveillance and > >>> Reconnaissance "C4ISR", like the US and Israel did. The youth > >>> are > >>> capable of helping in such an initiative, and the Govt needs to > >>> use > >>> the youth instead of denying them projects, when we are the > >>> ones > >>> who > >>> know how to write applications, use computer networks to implement > ICT > >>> Products that cant effectively and efficiently help Kenyan > >>> Security > >>> > >>> ./Chucks > >>> > >>> On 6/16/14, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > >>> wrote: > >>> > Listers, > >>> > > >>> > In case you might not have heard, there has been a very > >>> > serious > >>> > security > >>> > breach that has occurred in Mpeketoni, Lamu that has so far > claimed > >>> close > >>> > to 50 persons. > >>> > > >>> > The details on this are here > >>> > > >>> > http://www.nation.co.ke/news/mpeketoni-Lamu-gunfire-al-shabaab-terrorism/-/1... > >>> > > >>> > To put this into context, Mpeketoni is the largest town, bar > >>> > Lamu, > >>> between > >>> > the Somali Border and Malindi and the center of commercial > activity in > >>> the > >>> > region. > >>> > > >>> > So, as much as a lot of us might not know it, the fact that > Al-Shabbab > >>> > could drive trucks full of fighters into such a town and > >>> > commit > these > >>> > crimes and then leave should send all the security-bells that we > have > >>> > ringing. > >>> > > >>> > This is exactly how Boko Haram started in Nigeria and we are > seeing it > >>> > played out here right infront of us. > >>> > > >>> > I think its time that we spoke as the local ICT Community and > came up > >>> with > >>> > a stand on what in our opinion needs to be done in ICT Terms > >>> > to > secure > >>> this > >>> > nation. > >>> > > >>> > As an example, it would actually be very irresponsible of us > >>> > to > let a > >>> few > >>> > gentlemen to come together and tell us the solution to our > >>> > current > >>> security > >>> > problems, from an ICT perspective, is a police network deal
> >>> > largely > >>> > puts CCTV Cameras in Nairobi & Mombasa, when maybe nothing is > being > >>> spent > >>> > to secure our porous borders as well as actual on-the-ground > >>> intelligence > >>> > collection. > >>> > > >>> > We could send this as a proposal to the powers that be as > >>> > well > >>> > as > the > >>> > parliamentary ICT Committee and hope, nay, push, until something > gets > >>> done. > >>> > The way I see this working is, we draft a document, brief and > simple > >>> with > >>> > what our recommendations are, then Listers can comment on it. If > >>> > largely > >>> > agreeable, we send it to the powers that be. > >>> > > >>> > Let me now what your thoughts are, and we could see what we > >>> > can > >>> > do > >>> > about > >>> > this. > >>> > > >>> > -- > >>> > *Regards,* > >>> > > >>> > *Wait**haka Ngigi* > >>> > Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi > Synod > >>> > Building > >>> > T + 254 (0) 20 2333 471 |Office Mobile: +254 786 28 28 28 | M > >>> > + > 254 > >>> 737 811 > >>> > 000 > >>> > www.at.co.ke > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> -- > >>> Gichuki John Ndirangu, C.E.H , C.P.T.P, O.S.C.P > >>> I.T Security Analyst and Penetration Tester > >>> jgichuki at inbox d0t com > >>> > >>> {FORUM}http://lists.my.co.ke/pipermail/security/ > >>> http://chuksjonia.blogspot.com/ > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> kictanet mailing list > >>> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > >>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > >>> > >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at > >>> > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/pkariuki%40gmail.com > >>> > >>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder > platform > >>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT > >>> policy > and > >>> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in > >>> the > ICT > >>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and > >>> development. > >>> > >>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable > behaviors > >>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and > >>> bandwidth, > >>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect > privacy, > >>> do > >>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Warm Regards, > >> > >> Phares Kariuki > >> > >> *E*: pkariuki@gmail.com | *Twitter*: kaboro |* Skype*: > kariukiphares | > >> *B* > >> : http://www.kaboro.com/ | > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> kictanet mailing list > >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > >> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > >> > >> Unsubscribe or change your options at > >> > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ngigi%40at.co.ke > >> > >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder > platform > >> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT > >> policy > >> and > >> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in
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On Tuesday, 17 June 2014, Okech via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Phares, You have just hit it but how do we resolve?
- We have a new constitution but it is not protecting us enough. - Very often we get new legislation but they are only widening the gaps.
"The antidote to a bad law is not a good law, but the repeal of the bad law."
- - Budgets read year in year out only promoting same ills; increased tax burden on certain sectors to bear the reduced tax on others etc
Regards, Okech JM My blog <http://james-okech.blogspot.com/>
On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 11:33 AM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke');>> wrote:
Looks like alshabab have the capability to use Cyber Space domain of war, by jamming networks, when even we are not ready for such Information Warfare tactics.
In South Korea, when a ferry sinks and people are killed; the prime minister resign even though he was not the captain of the ship, neither did he own it.
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 9:46 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke');>> wrote:
In India, when a train derails, the Minister of transport resigns. A train to which he has no control of. We Kenyans demand so little.
Enough said.
In my opinion this squarely falls in the docket of the executive branch of Government. Technology solves nothing without the will to use it. 40 armed militia are not impossible to track whether in thick forest or open savannah. As Adam said, if no heads roll then it signals that no-one is at fault and we should accept it just like all the other incidents.
The police are well trained. poorly equipped and lets not forget that
On 16/06/2014, Mark Mwangi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke');>> wrote: they
follow orders. The reason that no one responded for hours is because they were ordered not to. The reason the Killing of Satao was possible is because those that can stop it are deliberately ill equipped. Its not rocket science.
None of this happens in Ethiopia where they have been beating up Alshabab till the Indian ocean for decades. They dont tolerate any crap. We tolerate alot of it.
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 7:51 PM, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke');>> wrote:
Wagging the dog?
http://www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2014/06/political-link-likely-in-mpeketoni-a...
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On Jun 16, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Philip Adar via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke');>> wrote:
During Westgate, 4 terrorists were able to hold back our military for 4-days. All that time, our top security officers were camping out there with misleading updates (such like 10 to 15 armed so and so...).
In the end, the building went up in smoke days later and up to date; no one knows how that happened.
Of cause in this country, that is such a small matter that nobody should be answerable over the miss-steps...
And if Westgate was "small"; then Mpeketoni may not even warrant a scrutiny!
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Adam Nelson via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke');>> wrote:
We'll be able to judge how seriously GoK takes this by how high up the person is who gets fired. I suspect nobody will just like after Westgate ... and that's exactly how seriously they take it.
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On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke');>> wrote:
> Gichuki, > > These are questions that are also very troubling to me. > > If you think about it, the British Consulate in Mombasa, maybe the > oldest consulate was closed last week amid terrorism fears. This not > from > any other Country, but UK, one country that has arguably the largest > investment in Kenya, where a decision like that is not taken > lightly. > > And not even a week later, we get hit at Mpeketoni. Now, we might > not > have been able to stop it, but the least we would have done, having > gotten > the signals from our friends who were closing their Consulates at > the > coast, is to have been very well prepared. > > I am told these guys hit at 20:00hrs and up until morning hours when > they left no one had arrived to counter them. Yet, from the word go, > the > communication about the attack was all over, including social media. If > this sounds familiar, its exactly what happened at Westgate. > > I don't know what school you would have gone to if after these two > very-similiar attacks you can recommend that our terrorism problems are > quickly sorted by using an upgraded technology network. > > IMO, it is time we talked the truth and called a spade a spade, > starting > with the fact that what has been recommended thus far is a white > elephant > and what we need more is more motivated & dedicated cops topped of with > good leadership and quality intelligence. > > Rgds > > > On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia < > chuksjonia@gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','chuksjonia@gmail.com');>> wrote: > >> Ask yourself, why did US embassy shut down before this, and why did UK >> Embassy do the same last week? >> >> Did they get this information earlier? >> >> How did they get it? >> >> >> >> On 6/16/14, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet >> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke');>> >> wrote: >> > Phares, >> > >> > Even saying "...this is not a technology problem ..." can be >> > quite >> > the >> > answer to the problem. >> > >> > One of the problems I am seeing with the recent trend is where
>> is >> > this belief that once this 3G, 4G, 5G etc police network gets up, we >> will >> > have gotten to the root of the problem. Its the classic case of >> having the >> > only tool being a hammer, and no wonder the solution is Networks. >> > >> > IMO, you would probably get more bang for your buck if you put >> > half >> of the >> > Ksh 15B budget into human intelligence i.e buying information >> > from >> > informants than through spending it on to getting real-time >> > images >> from our >> > cities. >> > >> > Rgds >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Phares Kariuki via kictanet < >> > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke');>> wrote: >> > >> >> I'm not convinced it's a technology issue, rather a lack of >> >> will. >> We've >> >> got people who benefit from the lack of security (ivory trade, >> >> drugs >> >> etc), >> >> so the government is not incentivised to fight crime in general. >> What the >> >> government fails to realise is that petty crime finances larger >> crimes. >> >> Al >> >> Shabaab does not have an investment bank where they can get a >> convertible >> >> note to finance a terror attack, it can't really list on the >> >> NSE. >> They >> >> traffic drugs, ivory etc. The solution is a thorough crack down >> >> on >> crime >> >> which generally tends to provide the intelligence bodies with >> >> much >> needed >> >> intel. We can't eat our cake and have it too. The government >> >> seems >> >> to >> >> think >> >> that they can have lax security policy and still somehow secure
will there the
>> >> country. >> >> >> >> We additionally need to look at who is in charge of security >> >> policy. >> It's >> >> absurd to have someone who thinks that a crack down on tint (an >> illegal >> >> crack down no less) is in charge of the police force. The >> >> individual >> >> charged with enforcing the law does not understand or respect >> >> the >> law. >> >> The >> >> internal security minister is, frankly, clueless. We've got no >> cohesive >> >> security policy. >> >> >> >> Crime has always been an issue. You might have technology, but it's >> worth >> >> precious little if it takes the armed forces 4-5 hours to >> >> respond, >> or if >> >> they will try and shake down the terrorist for bribes. A lot of >> >> this >> >> technology was not there in the eighties, nineties and >> >> noughties. >> >> >> >> At this point, there is a shortage of police because they are >> >> busy >> >> washing >> >> cars in the judiciary or guarding "VIP's". There is a shortage >> >> of >> police >> >> cars because every "VIP" gets a chase car to ensure that they >> >> are >> >> insulated >> >> from their policy failures (traffic, insecurity etc). The state >> >> at >> this >> >> point does not really care about the citizen and it's primary >> concern is >> >> extracting the citizen (corporate included) to finance rent seekers >> who >> >> have no economic value. Our taxes keep increasing and because >> >> the >> state >> >> has >> >> a monopoly on violence, we are not really allowed to question >> >> how >> >> the >> >> state >> >> mis-uses our taxes. >> >> >> >> What we have is not a technology problem but rather general failure >> of an >> >> arm of government. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia via >> kictanet < >> >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke');>> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Kenyan Government needs to install the concept of Command, >> >>> Control, >> >>> Communications, Computers, Intelligence, Surveillance and >> >>> Reconnaissance "C4ISR", like the US and Israel did. The youth >> >>> are >> >>> capable of helping in such an initiative, and the Govt needs to >> >>> use >> >>> the youth instead of denying them projects, when we are the >> >>> ones >> >>> who >> >>> know how to write applications, use computer networks to implement >> ICT >> >>> Products that cant effectively and efficiently help Kenyan >> >>> Security >> >>> >> >>> ./Chucks >> >>> >> >>> On 6/16/14, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke');>> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> > Listers, >> >>> > >> >>> > In case you might not have heard, there has been a very >> >>> > serious >> >>> > security >> >>> > breach that has occurred in Mpeketoni, Lamu that has so far >> claimed >> >>> close >> >>> > to 50 persons. >> >>> > >> >>> > The details on this are here >> >>> > >> >>> >>
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/mpeketoni-Lamu-gunfire-al-shabaab-terrorism/-/1...
>> >>> > >> >>> > To put this into context, Mpeketoni is the largest town, bar >> >>> > Lamu, >> >>> between >> >>> > the Somali Border and Malindi and the center of commercial >> activity in >> >>> the >> >>> > region. >> >>> > >> >>> > So, as much as a lot of us might not know it, the fact that >> Al-Shabbab >> >>> > could drive trucks full of fighters into such a town and >> >>> > commit >> these >> >>> > crimes and then leave should send all the security-bells
>> have >> >>> > ringing. >> >>> > >> >>> > This is exactly how Boko Haram started in Nigeria and we are >> seeing it >> >>> > played out here right infront of us. >> >>> > >> >>> > I think its time that we spoke as the local ICT Community and >> came up >> >>> with >> >>> > a stand on what in our opinion needs to be done in ICT Terms >> >>> > to >> secure >> >>> this >> >>> > nation. >> >>> > >> >>> > As an example, it would actually be very irresponsible of us >> >>> > to >> let a >> >>> few >> >>> > gentlemen to come together and tell us the solution to our >> >>> > current >> >>> security >> >>> > problems, from an ICT perspective, is a police network deal
we that
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Looks like alshabab have the capability to use Cyber Space domain of war, by jamming networks, when even we are not ready for such Information Warfare tactics.
In South Korea, when a ferry sinks and people are killed; the prime minister resign even though he was not the captain of the ship, neither did he own it.
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 9:46 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
In India, when a train derails, the Minister of transport resigns. A train to which he has no control of. We Kenyans demand so little.
Enough said.
In my opinion this squarely falls in the docket of the executive branch of Government. Technology solves nothing without the will to use it. 40 armed militia are not impossible to track whether in thick forest or open savannah. As Adam said, if no heads roll then it signals that no-one is at fault and we should accept it just like all the other incidents.
The police are well trained. poorly equipped and lets not forget that
On 16/06/2014, Mark Mwangi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: they
follow orders. The reason that no one responded for hours is because they were ordered not to. The reason the Killing of Satao was possible is because those that can stop it are deliberately ill equipped. Its not rocket science.
None of this happens in Ethiopia where they have been beating up Alshabab till the Indian ocean for decades. They dont tolerate any crap. We tolerate alot of it.
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 7:51 PM, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Wagging the dog?
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On Jun 16, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Philip Adar via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
During Westgate, 4 terrorists were able to hold back our military for 4-days. All that time, our top security officers were camping out there with misleading updates (such like 10 to 15 armed so and so...).
In the end, the building went up in smoke days later and up to date; no one knows how that happened.
Of cause in this country, that is such a small matter that nobody should be answerable over the miss-steps...
And if Westgate was "small"; then Mpeketoni may not even warrant a scrutiny!
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Adam Nelson via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
We'll be able to judge how seriously GoK takes this by how high up the person is who gets fired. I suspect nobody will just like after Westgate ... and that's exactly how seriously they take it.
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> Gichuki, > > These are questions that are also very troubling to me. > > If you think about it, the British Consulate in Mombasa, maybe the > oldest consulate was closed last week amid terrorism fears. This not > from > any other Country, but UK, one country that has arguably the largest > investment in Kenya, where a decision like that is not taken > lightly. > > And not even a week later, we get hit at Mpeketoni. Now, we might > not > have been able to stop it, but the least we would have done, having > gotten > the signals from our friends who were closing their Consulates at > the > coast, is to have been very well prepared. > > I am told these guys hit at 20:00hrs and up until morning hours when > they left no one had arrived to counter them. Yet, from the word go, > the > communication about the attack was all over, including social media. If > this sounds familiar, its exactly what happened at Westgate. > > I don't know what school you would have gone to if after these two > very-similiar attacks you can recommend that our terrorism problems are > quickly sorted by using an upgraded technology network. > > IMO, it is time we talked the truth and called a spade a spade, > starting > with the fact that what has been recommended thus far is a white > elephant > and what we need more is more motivated & dedicated cops topped of with > good leadership and quality intelligence. > > Rgds > > > On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia < > chuksjonia@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Ask yourself, why did US embassy shut down before this, and why did UK >> Embassy do the same last week? >> >> Did they get this information earlier? >> >> How did they get it? >> >> >> >> On 6/16/14, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet >> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> wrote: >> > Phares, >> > >> > Even saying "...this is not a technology problem ..." can be >> > quite >> > the >> > answer to the problem. >> > >> > One of the problems I am seeing with the recent trend is where
>> is >> > this belief that once this 3G, 4G, 5G etc police network gets up, we >> will >> > have gotten to the root of the problem. Its the classic case of >> having the >> > only tool being a hammer, and no wonder the solution is Networks. >> > >> > IMO, you would probably get more bang for your buck if you put >> > half >> of the >> > Ksh 15B budget into human intelligence i.e buying information >> > from >> > informants than through spending it on to getting real-time >> > images >> from our >> > cities. >> > >> > Rgds >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Phares Kariuki via kictanet < >> > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >> > >> >> I'm not convinced it's a technology issue, rather a lack of >> >> will. >> We've >> >> got people who benefit from the lack of security (ivory trade, >> >> drugs >> >> etc), >> >> so the government is not incentivised to fight crime in general. >> What the >> >> government fails to realise is that petty crime finances larger >> crimes. >> >> Al >> >> Shabaab does not have an investment bank where they can get a >> convertible >> >> note to finance a terror attack, it can't really list on the >> >> NSE. >> They >> >> traffic drugs, ivory etc. The solution is a thorough crack down >> >> on >> crime >> >> which generally tends to provide the intelligence bodies with >> >> much >> needed >> >> intel. We can't eat our cake and have it too. The government >> >> seems >> >> to >> >> think >> >> that they can have lax security policy and still somehow secure
will there the
>> >> country. >> >> >> >> We additionally need to look at who is in charge of security >> >> policy. >> It's >> >> absurd to have someone who thinks that a crack down on tint (an >> illegal >> >> crack down no less) is in charge of the police force. The >> >> individual >> >> charged with enforcing the law does not understand or respect >> >> the >> law. >> >> The >> >> internal security minister is, frankly, clueless. We've got no >> cohesive >> >> security policy. >> >> >> >> Crime has always been an issue. You might have technology, but it's >> worth >> >> precious little if it takes the armed forces 4-5 hours to >> >> respond, >> or if >> >> they will try and shake down the terrorist for bribes. A lot of >> >> this >> >> technology was not there in the eighties, nineties and >> >> noughties. >> >> >> >> At this point, there is a shortage of police because they are >> >> busy >> >> washing >> >> cars in the judiciary or guarding "VIP's". There is a shortage >> >> of >> police >> >> cars because every "VIP" gets a chase car to ensure that they >> >> are >> >> insulated >> >> from their policy failures (traffic, insecurity etc). The state >> >> at >> this >> >> point does not really care about the citizen and it's primary >> concern is >> >> extracting the citizen (corporate included) to finance rent seekers >> who >> >> have no economic value. Our taxes keep increasing and because >> >> the >> state >> >> has >> >> a monopoly on violence, we are not really allowed to question >> >> how >> >> the >> >> state >> >> mis-uses our taxes. >> >> >> >> What we have is not a technology problem but rather general failure >> of an >> >> arm of government. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia via >> kictanet < >> >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Kenyan Government needs to install the concept of Command, >> >>> Control, >> >>> Communications, Computers, Intelligence, Surveillance and >> >>> Reconnaissance "C4ISR", like the US and Israel did. The youth >> >>> are >> >>> capable of helping in such an initiative, and the Govt needs to >> >>> use >> >>> the youth instead of denying them projects, when we are the >> >>> ones >> >>> who >> >>> know how to write applications, use computer networks to implement >> ICT >> >>> Products that cant effectively and efficiently help Kenyan >> >>> Security >> >>> >> >>> ./Chucks >> >>> >> >>> On 6/16/14, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> > Listers, >> >>> > >> >>> > In case you might not have heard, there has been a very >> >>> > serious >> >>> > security >> >>> > breach that has occurred in Mpeketoni, Lamu that has so far >> claimed >> >>> close >> >>> > to 50 persons. >> >>> > >> >>> > The details on this are here >> >>> > >> >>> >>
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/mpeketoni-Lamu-gunfire-al-shabaab-terrorism/-/1...
>> >>> > >> >>> > To put this into context, Mpeketoni is the largest town, bar >> >>> > Lamu, >> >>> between >> >>> > the Somali Border and Malindi and the center of commercial >> activity in >> >>> the >> >>> > region. >> >>> > >> >>> > So, as much as a lot of us might not know it, the fact that >> Al-Shabbab >> >>> > could drive trucks full of fighters into such a town and >> >>> > commit >> these >> >>> > crimes and then leave should send all the security-bells
>> have >> >>> > ringing. >> >>> > >> >>> > This is exactly how Boko Haram started in Nigeria and we are >> seeing it >> >>> > played out here right infront of us. >> >>> > >> >>> > I think its time that we spoke as the local ICT Community and >> came up >> >>> with >> >>> > a stand on what in our opinion needs to be done in ICT Terms >> >>> > to >> secure >> >>> this >> >>> > nation. >> >>> > >> >>> > As an example, it would actually be very irresponsible of us >> >>> > to >> let a >> >>> few >> >>> > gentlemen to come together and tell us the solution to our >> >>> > current >> >>> security >> >>> > problems, from an ICT perspective, is a police network deal
we that
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Ngigi, Who tells you that " ... we might not have been able to stop it ...?" My thesis is our security agents know more than we credit them for. Why they do not act, that can only be answered by Political science scholars. Do Kenyans want efficient security policies? Then Strip ALL dignitaries in Kenya of home security, body guards, e.t.c. Let them feel insecure and naked like the rest of us the taxpayers. ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh "There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson On 16 June 2014 15:49, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Gichuki,
These are questions that are also very troubling to me.
If you think about it, the British Consulate in Mombasa, maybe the oldest consulate was closed last week amid terrorism fears. This not from any other Country, but UK, one country that has arguably the largest investment in Kenya, where a decision like that is not taken lightly.
And not even a week later, we get hit at Mpeketoni. Now, we might not have been able to stop it, but the least we would have done, having gotten the signals from our friends who were closing their Consulates at the coast, is to have been very well prepared.
I am told these guys hit at 20:00hrs and up until morning hours when they left no one had arrived to counter them. Yet, from the word go, the communication about the attack was all over, including social media. If this sounds familiar, its exactly what happened at Westgate.
I don't know what school you would have gone to if after these two very-similiar attacks you can recommend that our terrorism problems are quickly sorted by using an upgraded technology network.
IMO, it is time we talked the truth and called a spade a spade, starting with the fact that what has been recommended thus far is a white elephant and what we need more is more motivated & dedicated cops topped of with good leadership and quality intelligence.
Rgds
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia < chuksjonia@gmail.com> wrote:
Ask yourself, why did US embassy shut down before this, and why did UK Embassy do the same last week?
Did they get this information earlier?
How did they get it?
Phares,
Even saying "...this is not a technology problem ..." can be quite the answer to the problem.
One of the problems I am seeing with the recent trend is where there is this belief that once this 3G, 4G, 5G etc police network gets up, we will have gotten to the root of the problem. Its the classic case of having
only tool being a hammer, and no wonder the solution is Networks.
IMO, you would probably get more bang for your buck if you put half of
Ksh 15B budget into human intelligence i.e buying information from informants than through spending it on to getting real-time images from our cities.
Rgds
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Phares Kariuki via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I'm not convinced it's a technology issue, rather a lack of will. We've got people who benefit from the lack of security (ivory trade, drugs etc), so the government is not incentivised to fight crime in general. What
government fails to realise is that petty crime finances larger crimes. Al Shabaab does not have an investment bank where they can get a convertible note to finance a terror attack, it can't really list on the NSE. They traffic drugs, ivory etc. The solution is a thorough crack down on crime which generally tends to provide the intelligence bodies with much needed intel. We can't eat our cake and have it too. The government seems to think that they can have lax security policy and still somehow secure the country.
We additionally need to look at who is in charge of security policy. It's absurd to have someone who thinks that a crack down on tint (an illegal crack down no less) is in charge of the police force. The individual charged with enforcing the law does not understand or respect the law. The internal security minister is, frankly, clueless. We've got no cohesive security policy.
Crime has always been an issue. You might have technology, but it's worth precious little if it takes the armed forces 4-5 hours to respond, or if they will try and shake down the terrorist for bribes. A lot of this technology was not there in the eighties, nineties and noughties.
At this point, there is a shortage of police because they are busy washing cars in the judiciary or guarding "VIP's". There is a shortage of
cars because every "VIP" gets a chase car to ensure that they are insulated from their policy failures (traffic, insecurity etc). The state at this point does not really care about the citizen and it's primary concern is extracting the citizen (corporate included) to finance rent seekers who have no economic value. Our taxes keep increasing and because the state has a monopoly on violence, we are not really allowed to question how the state mis-uses our taxes.
What we have is not a technology problem but rather general failure of an arm of government.
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Kenyan Government needs to install the concept of Command, Control, Communications, Computers, Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance "C4ISR", like the US and Israel did. The youth are capable of helping in such an initiative, and the Govt needs to use the youth instead of denying them projects, when we are the ones who know how to write applications, use computer networks to implement ICT Products that cant effectively and efficiently help Kenyan Security
./Chucks
On 6/16/14, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
In case you might not have heard, there has been a very serious security breach that has occurred in Mpeketoni, Lamu that has so far claimed close to 50 persons.
The details on this are here
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/mpeketoni-Lamu-gunfire-al-shabaab-terrorism/-/1...
To put this into context, Mpeketoni is the largest town, bar Lamu,
the Somali Border and Malindi and the center of commercial activity in
between the
region.
So, as much as a lot of us might not know it, the fact that Al-Shabbab could drive trucks full of fighters into such a town and commit
crimes and then leave should send all the security-bells that we have ringing.
This is exactly how Boko Haram started in Nigeria and we are seeing it played out here right infront of us.
I think its time that we spoke as the local ICT Community and came up with a stand on what in our opinion needs to be done in ICT Terms to secure this nation.
As an example, it would actually be very irresponsible of us to let a few gentlemen to come together and tell us the solution to our current security problems, from an ICT perspective, is a police network deal that largely puts CCTV Cameras in Nairobi & Mombasa, when maybe nothing is being spent to secure our porous borders as well as actual on-the-ground intelligence collection.
We could send this as a proposal to the powers that be as well as
parliamentary ICT Committee and hope, nay, push, until something gets done. The way I see this working is, we draft a document, brief and simple with what our recommendations are, then Listers can comment on it. If largely agreeable, we send it to the powers that be.
Let me now what your thoughts are, and we could see what we can do about this.
-- *Regards,*
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High chances of being caught and fewer opportunities for crime is deterring criminals in other parts of the world. http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21582041-rich-world-seeing-less-and-less-crime-even-face-high-unemployment-and-economic?zid=312&ah=da4ed4425e74339883d473adf5773841 In Kenya, there is little chance of being caught and lots of opportunities to commit crimes.... On 16 June 2014 16:01, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Ngigi,
Who tells you that " ... we might not have been able to stop it ...?" My thesis is our security agents know more than we credit them for. Why they do not act, that can only be answered by Political science scholars.
Do Kenyans want efficient security policies? Then Strip ALL dignitaries in Kenya of home security, body guards, e.t.c. Let them feel insecure and naked like the rest of us the taxpayers.
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh
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On 16 June 2014 15:49, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Gichuki,
These are questions that are also very troubling to me.
If you think about it, the British Consulate in Mombasa, maybe the oldest consulate was closed last week amid terrorism fears. This not from any other Country, but UK, one country that has arguably the largest investment in Kenya, where a decision like that is not taken lightly.
And not even a week later, we get hit at Mpeketoni. Now, we might not have been able to stop it, but the least we would have done, having gotten the signals from our friends who were closing their Consulates at the coast, is to have been very well prepared.
I am told these guys hit at 20:00hrs and up until morning hours when they left no one had arrived to counter them. Yet, from the word go, the communication about the attack was all over, including social media. If this sounds familiar, its exactly what happened at Westgate.
I don't know what school you would have gone to if after these two very-similiar attacks you can recommend that our terrorism problems are quickly sorted by using an upgraded technology network.
IMO, it is time we talked the truth and called a spade a spade, starting with the fact that what has been recommended thus far is a white elephant and what we need more is more motivated & dedicated cops topped of with good leadership and quality intelligence.
Rgds
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia < chuksjonia@gmail.com> wrote:
Ask yourself, why did US embassy shut down before this, and why did UK Embassy do the same last week?
Did they get this information earlier?
How did they get it?
Phares,
Even saying "...this is not a technology problem ..." can be quite the answer to the problem.
One of the problems I am seeing with the recent trend is where there is this belief that once this 3G, 4G, 5G etc police network gets up, we will have gotten to the root of the problem. Its the classic case of having
only tool being a hammer, and no wonder the solution is Networks.
IMO, you would probably get more bang for your buck if you put half of
Ksh 15B budget into human intelligence i.e buying information from informants than through spending it on to getting real-time images from our cities.
Rgds
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Phares Kariuki via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I'm not convinced it's a technology issue, rather a lack of will. We've got people who benefit from the lack of security (ivory trade, drugs etc), so the government is not incentivised to fight crime in general. What
government fails to realise is that petty crime finances larger crimes. Al Shabaab does not have an investment bank where they can get a convertible note to finance a terror attack, it can't really list on the NSE. They traffic drugs, ivory etc. The solution is a thorough crack down on crime which generally tends to provide the intelligence bodies with much needed intel. We can't eat our cake and have it too. The government seems to think that they can have lax security policy and still somehow secure the country.
We additionally need to look at who is in charge of security policy. It's absurd to have someone who thinks that a crack down on tint (an illegal crack down no less) is in charge of the police force. The individual charged with enforcing the law does not understand or respect the law. The internal security minister is, frankly, clueless. We've got no cohesive security policy.
Crime has always been an issue. You might have technology, but it's worth precious little if it takes the armed forces 4-5 hours to respond, or if they will try and shake down the terrorist for bribes. A lot of this technology was not there in the eighties, nineties and noughties.
At this point, there is a shortage of police because they are busy washing cars in the judiciary or guarding "VIP's". There is a shortage of
cars because every "VIP" gets a chase car to ensure that they are insulated from their policy failures (traffic, insecurity etc). The state at
point does not really care about the citizen and it's primary concern is extracting the citizen (corporate included) to finance rent seekers who have no economic value. Our taxes keep increasing and because the state has a monopoly on violence, we are not really allowed to question how the state mis-uses our taxes.
What we have is not a technology problem but rather general failure of an arm of government.
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Kenyan Government needs to install the concept of Command, Control, Communications, Computers, Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance "C4ISR", like the US and Israel did. The youth are capable of helping in such an initiative, and the Govt needs to use the youth instead of denying them projects, when we are the ones who know how to write applications, use computer networks to implement ICT Products that cant effectively and efficiently help Kenyan Security
./Chucks
On 6/16/14, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > Listers, > > In case you might not have heard, there has been a very serious > security > breach that has occurred in Mpeketoni, Lamu that has so far claimed close > to 50 persons. > > The details on this are here >
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/mpeketoni-Lamu-gunfire-al-shabaab-terrorism/-/1...
> > To put this into context, Mpeketoni is the largest town, bar Lamu, between > the Somali Border and Malindi and the center of commercial activity in the > region. > > So, as much as a lot of us might not know it, the fact that Al-Shabbab > could drive trucks full of fighters into such a town and commit
> crimes and then leave should send all the security-bells that we have > ringing. > > This is exactly how Boko Haram started in Nigeria and we are seeing it > played out here right infront of us. > > I think its time that we spoke as the local ICT Community and came up with > a stand on what in our opinion needs to be done in ICT Terms to secure this > nation. > > As an example, it would actually be very irresponsible of us to let a few > gentlemen to come together and tell us the solution to our current security > problems, from an ICT perspective, is a police network deal that > largely > puts CCTV Cameras in Nairobi & Mombasa, when maybe nothing is being spent > to secure our porous borders as well as actual on-the-ground intelligence > collection. > > We could send this as a proposal to the powers that be as well as
> parliamentary ICT Committee and hope, nay, push, until something gets done. > The way I see this working is, we draft a document, brief and simple with > what our recommendations are, then Listers can comment on it. If > largely > agreeable, we send it to the powers that be. > > Let me now what your thoughts are, and we could see what we can do > about > this. > > -- > *Regards,* > > *Wait**haka Ngigi* > Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi Synod > Building > T + 254 (0) 20 2333 471 |Office Mobile: +254 786 28 28 28 | M + 254 737 811 > 000 > www.at.co.ke >
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No doubt after the terrorists attacked the police station and stole weapons, other police hesitated in confronting the perpetrators. It is what we get for mixing bad local politics and violent religion. Gichuki, These are questions that are also very troubling to me. If you think about it, the British Consulate in Mombasa, maybe the oldest consulate was closed last week amid terrorism fears. This not from any other Country, but UK, one country that has arguably the largest investment in Kenya, where a decision like that is not taken lightly. And not even a week later, we get hit at Mpeketoni. Now, we might not have been able to stop it, but the least we would have done, having gotten the signals from our friends who were closing their Consulates at the coast, is to have been very well prepared. I am told these guys hit at 20:00hrs and up until morning hours when they left no one had arrived to counter them. Yet, from the word go, the communication about the attack was all over, including social media. If this sounds familiar, its exactly what happened at Westgate. I don't know what school you would have gone to if after these two very-similiar attacks you can recommend that our terrorism problems are quickly sorted by using an upgraded technology network. IMO, it is time we talked the truth and called a spade a spade, starting with the fact that what has been recommended thus far is a white elephant and what we need more is more motivated & dedicated cops topped of with good leadership and quality intelligence. Rgds On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia < chuksjonia@gmail.com> wrote:
Ask yourself, why did US embassy shut down before this, and why did UK Embassy do the same last week?
Did they get this information earlier?
How did they get it?
Phares,
Even saying "...this is not a technology problem ..." can be quite the answer to the problem.
One of the problems I am seeing with the recent trend is where there is this belief that once this 3G, 4G, 5G etc police network gets up, we will have gotten to the root of the problem. Its the classic case of having
only tool being a hammer, and no wonder the solution is Networks.
IMO, you would probably get more bang for your buck if you put half of
Ksh 15B budget into human intelligence i.e buying information from informants than through spending it on to getting real-time images from our cities.
Rgds
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Phares Kariuki via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I'm not convinced it's a technology issue, rather a lack of will. We've got people who benefit from the lack of security (ivory trade, drugs etc), so the government is not incentivised to fight crime in general. What
On 6/16/14, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: the the the
government fails to realise is that petty crime finances larger crimes. Al Shabaab does not have an investment bank where they can get a convertible note to finance a terror attack, it can't really list on the NSE. They traffic drugs, ivory etc. The solution is a thorough crack down on crime which generally tends to provide the intelligence bodies with much needed intel. We can't eat our cake and have it too. The government seems to think that they can have lax security policy and still somehow secure the country.
We additionally need to look at who is in charge of security policy. It's absurd to have someone who thinks that a crack down on tint (an illegal crack down no less) is in charge of the police force. The individual charged with enforcing the law does not understand or respect the law. The internal security minister is, frankly, clueless. We've got no cohesive security policy.
Crime has always been an issue. You might have technology, but it's worth precious little if it takes the armed forces 4-5 hours to respond, or if they will try and shake down the terrorist for bribes. A lot of this technology was not there in the eighties, nineties and noughties.
At this point, there is a shortage of police because they are busy washing cars in the judiciary or guarding "VIP's". There is a shortage of police cars because every "VIP" gets a chase car to ensure that they are insulated from their policy failures (traffic, insecurity etc). The state at this point does not really care about the citizen and it's primary concern is extracting the citizen (corporate included) to finance rent seekers who have no economic value. Our taxes keep increasing and because the state has a monopoly on violence, we are not really allowed to question how the state mis-uses our taxes.
What we have is not a technology problem but rather general failure of an arm of government.
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Kenyan Government needs to install the concept of Command, Control, Communications, Computers, Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance "C4ISR", like the US and Israel did. The youth are capable of helping in such an initiative, and the Govt needs to use the youth instead of denying them projects, when we are the ones who know how to write applications, use computer networks to implement ICT Products that cant effectively and efficiently help Kenyan Security
./Chucks
On 6/16/14, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke
wrote:
Listers,
In case you might not have heard, there has been a very serious security breach that has occurred in Mpeketoni, Lamu that has so far claimed close to 50 persons.
The details on this are here
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/mpeketoni-Lamu-gunfire-al-shabaab-terrorism/-/1...
To put this into context, Mpeketoni is the largest town, bar Lamu,
the Somali Border and Malindi and the center of commercial activity in
region.
So, as much as a lot of us might not know it, the fact that Al-Shabbab could drive trucks full of fighters into such a town and commit these crimes and then leave should send all the security-bells that we have ringing.
This is exactly how Boko Haram started in Nigeria and we are seeing it played out here right infront of us.
I think its time that we spoke as the local ICT Community and came up with a stand on what in our opinion needs to be done in ICT Terms to secure
between the this
nation.
As an example, it would actually be very irresponsible of us to let a few gentlemen to come together and tell us the solution to our current security problems, from an ICT perspective, is a police network deal that largely puts CCTV Cameras in Nairobi & Mombasa, when maybe nothing is being spent to secure our porous borders as well as actual on-the-ground intelligence collection.
We could send this as a proposal to the powers that be as well as the parliamentary ICT Committee and hope, nay, push, until something gets done. The way I see this working is, we draft a document, brief and simple with what our recommendations are, then Listers can comment on it. If largely agreeable, we send it to the powers that be.
Let me now what your thoughts are, and we could see what we can do about this.
-- *Regards,*
*Wait**haka Ngigi* Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi Synod Building T + 254 (0) 20 2333 471 |Office Mobile: +254 786 28 28 28 | M + 254 737 811 000 www.at.co.ke
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I agree. We won't have gotten to the root of the problem when we get 4G etc. We need to invest in intelligence. Phillip, There have been ways of collecting intelligence without technology for years - for instance, during the cold war (yes, technology improved intelligence gathering, but inserting sleeper agents, interrogation of arrested criminals and general crime crackdowns yield more than a surveillance state). Think about it - the UK/US knew about the attacks - they don't have camera's monitoring Lamu. They do, however, have well oiled intelligence mechanisms. My point here is - the incentives that the entire police machinery in Kenya have is not providing security, but rather, rent seeking. That is what needs to change. When that changes, they will have an incentive to use the technology anyway, but when the Inspector General rewards his police officers by allowing them to shake down innocent civilians (being arrested for not scanning people for bombs, absurd tint directives etc), he's basically sending a message that the citizens security is not his priority. On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
Phares,
Even saying "...this is not a technology problem ..." can be quite the answer to the problem.
One of the problems I am seeing with the recent trend is where there is this belief that once this 3G, 4G, 5G etc police network gets up, we will have gotten to the root of the problem. Its the classic case of having the only tool being a hammer, and no wonder the solution is Networks.
IMO, you would probably get more bang for your buck if you put half of the Ksh 15B budget into human intelligence i.e buying information from informants than through spending it on to getting real-time images from our cities.
Rgds
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Phares Kariuki via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I'm not convinced it's a technology issue, rather a lack of will. We've got people who benefit from the lack of security (ivory trade, drugs etc), so the government is not incentivised to fight crime in general. What the government fails to realise is that petty crime finances larger crimes. Al Shabaab does not have an investment bank where they can get a convertible note to finance a terror attack, it can't really list on the NSE. They traffic drugs, ivory etc. The solution is a thorough crack down on crime which generally tends to provide the intelligence bodies with much needed intel. We can't eat our cake and have it too. The government seems to think that they can have lax security policy and still somehow secure the country.
We additionally need to look at who is in charge of security policy. It's absurd to have someone who thinks that a crack down on tint (an illegal crack down no less) is in charge of the police force. The individual charged with enforcing the law does not understand or respect the law. The internal security minister is, frankly, clueless. We've got no cohesive security policy.
Crime has always been an issue. You might have technology, but it's worth precious little if it takes the armed forces 4-5 hours to respond, or if they will try and shake down the terrorist for bribes. A lot of this technology was not there in the eighties, nineties and noughties.
At this point, there is a shortage of police because they are busy washing cars in the judiciary or guarding "VIP's". There is a shortage of police cars because every "VIP" gets a chase car to ensure that they are insulated from their policy failures (traffic, insecurity etc). The state at this point does not really care about the citizen and it's primary concern is extracting the citizen (corporate included) to finance rent seekers who have no economic value. Our taxes keep increasing and because the state has a monopoly on violence, we are not really allowed to question how the state mis-uses our taxes.
What we have is not a technology problem but rather general failure of an arm of government.
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Kenyan Government needs to install the concept of Command, Control, Communications, Computers, Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance "C4ISR", like the US and Israel did. The youth are capable of helping in such an initiative, and the Govt needs to use the youth instead of denying them projects, when we are the ones who know how to write applications, use computer networks to implement ICT Products that cant effectively and efficiently help Kenyan Security
./Chucks
On 6/16/14, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
In case you might not have heard, there has been a very serious security breach that has occurred in Mpeketoni, Lamu that has so far claimed close to 50 persons.
The details on this are here
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/mpeketoni-Lamu-gunfire-al-shabaab-terrorism/-/1...
To put this into context, Mpeketoni is the largest town, bar Lamu,
the Somali Border and Malindi and the center of commercial activity in
region.
So, as much as a lot of us might not know it, the fact that Al-Shabbab could drive trucks full of fighters into such a town and commit these crimes and then leave should send all the security-bells that we have ringing.
This is exactly how Boko Haram started in Nigeria and we are seeing it played out here right infront of us.
I think its time that we spoke as the local ICT Community and came up with a stand on what in our opinion needs to be done in ICT Terms to secure
between the this
nation.
As an example, it would actually be very irresponsible of us to let a few gentlemen to come together and tell us the solution to our current security problems, from an ICT perspective, is a police network deal that largely puts CCTV Cameras in Nairobi & Mombasa, when maybe nothing is being spent to secure our porous borders as well as actual on-the-ground intelligence collection.
We could send this as a proposal to the powers that be as well as the parliamentary ICT Committee and hope, nay, push, until something gets done. The way I see this working is, we draft a document, brief and simple with what our recommendations are, then Listers can comment on it. If largely agreeable, we send it to the powers that be.
Let me now what your thoughts are, and we could see what we can do about this.
-- *Regards,*
*Wait**haka Ngigi* Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi Synod Building T + 254 (0) 20 2333 471 |Office Mobile: +254 786 28 28 28 | M + 254 737 811 000 www.at.co.ke
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http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/13/opinion/13iht-edrobin_ed3_.html http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/aug/24/20040824-103659-8598r/ On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree. We won't have gotten to the root of the problem when we get 4G etc. We need to invest in intelligence.
Phillip,
There have been ways of collecting intelligence without technology for years - for instance, during the cold war (yes, technology improved intelligence gathering, but inserting sleeper agents, interrogation of arrested criminals and general crime crackdowns yield more than a surveillance state). Think about it - the UK/US knew about the attacks - they don't have camera's monitoring Lamu. They do, however, have well oiled intelligence mechanisms.
My point here is - the incentives that the entire police machinery in Kenya have is not providing security, but rather, rent seeking. That is what needs to change. When that changes, they will have an incentive to use the technology anyway, but when the Inspector General rewards his police officers by allowing them to shake down innocent civilians (being arrested for not scanning people for bombs, absurd tint directives etc), he's basically sending a message that the citizens security is not his priority.
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
Phares,
Even saying "...this is not a technology problem ..." can be quite the answer to the problem.
One of the problems I am seeing with the recent trend is where there is this belief that once this 3G, 4G, 5G etc police network gets up, we will have gotten to the root of the problem. Its the classic case of having the only tool being a hammer, and no wonder the solution is Networks.
IMO, you would probably get more bang for your buck if you put half of the Ksh 15B budget into human intelligence i.e buying information from informants than through spending it on to getting real-time images from our cities.
Rgds
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Phares Kariuki via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I'm not convinced it's a technology issue, rather a lack of will. We've got people who benefit from the lack of security (ivory trade, drugs etc), so the government is not incentivised to fight crime in general. What the government fails to realise is that petty crime finances larger crimes. Al Shabaab does not have an investment bank where they can get a convertible note to finance a terror attack, it can't really list on the NSE. They traffic drugs, ivory etc. The solution is a thorough crack down on crime which generally tends to provide the intelligence bodies with much needed intel. We can't eat our cake and have it too. The government seems to think that they can have lax security policy and still somehow secure the country.
We additionally need to look at who is in charge of security policy. It's absurd to have someone who thinks that a crack down on tint (an illegal crack down no less) is in charge of the police force. The individual charged with enforcing the law does not understand or respect the law. The internal security minister is, frankly, clueless. We've got no cohesive security policy.
Crime has always been an issue. You might have technology, but it's worth precious little if it takes the armed forces 4-5 hours to respond, or if they will try and shake down the terrorist for bribes. A lot of this technology was not there in the eighties, nineties and noughties.
At this point, there is a shortage of police because they are busy washing cars in the judiciary or guarding "VIP's". There is a shortage of police cars because every "VIP" gets a chase car to ensure that they are insulated from their policy failures (traffic, insecurity etc). The state at this point does not really care about the citizen and it's primary concern is extracting the citizen (corporate included) to finance rent seekers who have no economic value. Our taxes keep increasing and because the state has a monopoly on violence, we are not really allowed to question how the state mis-uses our taxes.
What we have is not a technology problem but rather general failure of an arm of government.
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Kenyan Government needs to install the concept of Command, Control, Communications, Computers, Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance "C4ISR", like the US and Israel did. The youth are capable of helping in such an initiative, and the Govt needs to use the youth instead of denying them projects, when we are the ones who know how to write applications, use computer networks to implement ICT Products that cant effectively and efficiently help Kenyan Security
./Chucks
On 6/16/14, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
In case you might not have heard, there has been a very serious security breach that has occurred in Mpeketoni, Lamu that has so far claimed close to 50 persons.
The details on this are here
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/mpeketoni-Lamu-gunfire-al-shabaab-terrorism/-/1...
To put this into context, Mpeketoni is the largest town, bar Lamu,
between
the Somali Border and Malindi and the center of commercial activity in the region.
So, as much as a lot of us might not know it, the fact that Al-Shabbab could drive trucks full of fighters into such a town and commit these crimes and then leave should send all the security-bells that we have ringing.
This is exactly how Boko Haram started in Nigeria and we are seeing it played out here right infront of us.
I think its time that we spoke as the local ICT Community and came up with a stand on what in our opinion needs to be done in ICT Terms to secure this nation.
As an example, it would actually be very irresponsible of us to let a few gentlemen to come together and tell us the solution to our current security problems, from an ICT perspective, is a police network deal that largely puts CCTV Cameras in Nairobi & Mombasa, when maybe nothing is being spent to secure our porous borders as well as actual on-the-ground intelligence collection.
We could send this as a proposal to the powers that be as well as the parliamentary ICT Committee and hope, nay, push, until something gets done. The way I see this working is, we draft a document, brief and simple with what our recommendations are, then Listers can comment on it. If largely agreeable, we send it to the powers that be.
Let me now what your thoughts are, and we could see what we can do about this.
-- *Regards,*
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The insecurity situation this country cannot be solved by mere installation of CCTV using 4G network, and installation of CCTV does not necessary require a 4G network. Security networks exis in other countries without 4G technology, which is just a new innovation coming into the market. The security network should be designed and implemented by experts with skills and experience in this areas, and should meet internationally accepted standards. The cellular mobile operators or telecommunications service providers around the world, including Vodafone of which Safaricom is part, have not specilised in providing security networks and services. Though Safaricom can outsource to a third party to do it for them, but this is not right thing to do for this country. This looks just like but a way exploiting the insecurity situation, to get 4G spectrum allocation to Safaricom without paying for it. This is not good for the market, and not being fair for other competitors as well. Securing our porous borders is more crucial than installing CCTV using 4G spectrum for free. it is very sad that even more people have been killed in the same area today . On Monday, June 16, 2014 3:37 PM, Phares Kariuki via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: I agree. We won't have gotten to the root of the problem when we get 4G etc. We need to invest in intelligence. Phillip, There have been ways of collecting intelligence without technology for years - for instance, during the cold war (yes, technology improved intelligence gathering, but inserting sleeper agents, interrogation of arrested criminals and general crime crackdowns yield more than a surveillance state). Think about it - the UK/US knew about the attacks - they don't have camera's monitoring Lamu. They do, however, have well oiled intelligence mechanisms. My point here is - the incentives that the entire police machinery in Kenya have is not providing security, but rather, rent seeking. That is what needs to change. When that changes, they will have an incentive to use the technology anyway, but when the Inspector General rewards his police officers by allowing them to shake down innocent civilians (being arrested for not scanning people for bombs, absurd tint directives etc), he's basically sending a message that the citizens security is not his priority. On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote: Phares,
Even saying "...this is not a technology problem ..." can be quite the answer to the problem.
One of the problems I am seeing with the recent trend is where there is this belief that once this 3G, 4G, 5G etc police network gets up, we will have gotten to the root of the problem. Its the classic case of having the only tool being a hammer, and no wonder the solution is Networks.
IMO, you would probably get more bang for your buck if you put half of the Ksh 15B budget into human intelligence i.e buying information from informants than through spending it on to getting real-time images from our cities.
Rgds
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Phares Kariuki via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I'm not convinced it's a technology issue, rather a lack of will. We've got people who benefit from the lack of security (ivory trade, drugs etc), so the government is not incentivised to fight crime in general. What the government fails to realise is that petty crime finances larger crimes. Al Shabaab does not have an investment bank where they can get a convertible note to finance a terror attack, it can't really list on the NSE. They traffic drugs, ivory etc. The solution is a thorough crack down on crime which generally tends to provide the intelligence bodies with much needed intel. We can't eat our cake and have it too. The government seems to think that they can have lax security policy and still somehow secure the country.
We additionally need to look at who is in charge of security policy. It's absurd to have someone who thinks that a crack down on tint (an illegal crack down no less) is in charge of the police force. The individual charged with enforcing the law does not understand or respect the law. The internal security minister is, frankly, clueless. We've got no cohesive security policy.
Crime has always been an issue. You might have technology, but it's worth precious little if it takes the armed forces 4-5 hours to respond, or if they will try and shake down the terrorist for bribes. A lot of this technology was not there in the eighties, nineties and noughties.
At this point, there is a shortage of police because they are busy washing cars in the judiciary or guarding "VIP's". There is a shortage of police cars because every "VIP" gets a chase car to ensure that they are insulated from their policy failures (traffic, insecurity etc). The state at this point does not really care about the citizen and it's primary concern is extracting the citizen (corporate included) to finance rent seekers who have no economic value. Our taxes keep increasing and because the state has a monopoly on violence, we are not really allowed to question how the state mis-uses our taxes.
What we have is not a technology problem but rather general failure of an arm of government.
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Kenyan Government needs to install the concept of Command, Control,
Communications, Computers, Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance "C4ISR", like the US and Israel did. The youth are capable of helping in such an initiative, and the Govt needs to use the youth instead of denying them projects, when we are the ones who know how to write applications, use computer networks to implement ICT Products that cant effectively and efficiently help Kenyan Security
./Chucks
On 6/16/14, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
In case you might not have heard, there has been a very serious security breach that has occurred in Mpeketoni, Lamu that has so far claimed close to 50 persons.
The details on this are here http://www.nation.co.ke/news/mpeketoni-Lamu-gunfire-al-shabaab-terrorism/-/1...
To put this into context, Mpeketoni is the largest town, bar Lamu, between the Somali Border and Malindi and the center of commercial activity in the region.
So, as much as a lot of us might not know it, the fact that Al-Shabbab could drive trucks full of fighters into such a town and commit these crimes and then leave should send all the security-bells that we have ringing.
This is exactly how Boko Haram started in Nigeria and we are seeing it played out here right infront of us.
I think its time that we spoke as the local ICT Community and came up with a stand on what in our opinion needs to be done in ICT Terms to secure this nation.
As an example, it would actually be very irresponsible of us to let a few gentlemen to come together and tell us the solution to our current security problems, from an ICT perspective, is a police network deal that largely puts CCTV Cameras in Nairobi & Mombasa, when maybe nothing is being spent to secure our porous borders as well as actual on-the-ground intelligence collection.
We could send this as a proposal to the powers that be as well as the parliamentary ICT Committee and hope, nay, push, until something gets done. The way I see this working is, we draft a document, brief and simple with what our recommendations are, then Listers can comment on it. If largely agreeable, we send it to the powers that be.
Let me now what your thoughts are, and we could see what we can do about this.
-- *Regards,*
*Wait**haka Ngigi*
Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi Synod Building T + 254 (0) 20 2333 471 |Office Mobile: +254 786 28 28 28 | M + 254 737 811 000 www.at.co.ke
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@Ngigi, You seem to have read my tomorrows blog in advance. You must be extra-terrestrial :-). Things dont look too good for us. But tragedy should serve to bring us together in order to overcome. I wish there was something "ICT" we could do to get us out of this terrorist mess, but then again I am afraid that technology on its own will not stop that terrorist. There is that element of corruption that will defeat every innovation you throw at insecurity... walu. -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 6/16/14, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Subject: [kictanet] Security Situation in Kenya To: jwalu@yahoo.com Date: Monday, June 16, 2014, 9:46 AM Listers, In case you might not have heard, there has been a very serious security breach that has occurred in Mpeketoni, Lamu that has so far claimed close to 50 persons. The details on this are here http://www.nation.co.ke/news/mpeketoni-Lamu-gunfire-al-shabaab-terrorism/-/1... To put this into context, Mpeketoni is the largest town, bar Lamu, between the Somali Border and Malindi and the center of commercial activity in the region. So, as much as a lot of us might not know it, the fact that Al-Shabbab could drive trucks full of fighters into such a town and commit these crimes and then leave should send all the security-bells that we have ringing. This is exactly how Boko Haram started in Nigeria and we are seeing it played out here right infront of us. I think its time that we spoke as the local ICT Community and came up with a stand on what in our opinion needs to be done in ICT Terms to secure this nation. As an example, it would actually be very irresponsible of us to let a few gentlemen to come together and tell us the solution to our current security problems, from an ICT perspective, is a police network deal that largely puts CCTV Cameras in Nairobi & Mombasa, when maybe nothing is being spent to secure our porous borders as well as actual on-the-ground intelligence collection. We could send this as a proposal to the powers that be as well as the parliamentary ICT Committee and hope, nay, push, until something gets done. The way I see this working is, we draft a document, brief and simple with what our recommendations are, then Listers can comment on it. If largely agreeable, we send it to the powers that be. Let me now what your thoughts are, and we could see what we can do about this. -- Regards, Waithaka Ngigi Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi Synod Building T + 254 (0) 20 2333 471 |Office Mobile: +254 786 28 28 28 | M + 254 737 811 000 www.at.co.ke -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Walu, There is something about "...great minds thinking alike...", so I might have just confirmed that you are one.... :-) If I remember correctly, after the Westgate Attack a committee headed by Dr Ndemo was setup to look into what needs to be done to avoid another Westgate Type Attack happening. Thereafter, there was total silence from this committee, the next time I heard anything come out of this committee is when they recommended the Secure Network deal with Safaricom. Naturally, it then leads you to believe that after some "....deep analysis..." what this country needs is a Secure Network as a first step to combating the terrorist threads. But, and as I think quite a lot of us have said in these forums, that is NOT a solution. Personally I think its probably not even a priority and unfortunately our silence in the ICT community will be taken to mean that we are agreeable that 'more-technology' is what this country needs. Rgds On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Ngigi,
You seem to have read my tomorrows blog in advance. You must be extra-terrestrial :-).
Things dont look too good for us. But tragedy should serve to bring us together in order to overcome. I wish there was something "ICT" we could do to get us out of this terrorist mess, but then again I am afraid that technology on its own will not stop that terrorist.
There is that element of corruption that will defeat every innovation you throw at insecurity...
walu.
-------------------------------------------- On Mon, 6/16/14, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Subject: [kictanet] Security Situation in Kenya To: jwalu@yahoo.com Date: Monday, June 16, 2014, 9:46 AM
Listers,
In case you might not have heard, there has been a very serious security breach that has occurred in Mpeketoni, Lamu that has so far claimed close to 50 persons.
The details on this are here
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/mpeketoni-Lamu-gunfire-al-shabaab-terrorism/-/1...
To put this into context, Mpeketoni is the largest town, bar Lamu, between the Somali Border and Malindi and the center of commercial activity in the region.
So, as much as a lot of us might not know it, the fact that Al-Shabbab could drive trucks full of fighters into such a town and commit these crimes and then leave should send all the security-bells that we have ringing.
This is exactly how Boko Haram started in Nigeria and we are seeing it played out here right infront of us.
I think its time that we spoke as the local ICT Community and came up with a stand on what in our opinion needs to be done in ICT Terms to secure this nation.
As an example, it would actually be very irresponsible of us to let a few gentlemen to come together and tell us the solution to our current security problems, from an ICT perspective, is a police network deal that largely puts CCTV Cameras in Nairobi & Mombasa, when maybe nothing is being spent to secure our porous borders as well as actual on-the-ground intelligence collection.
We could send this as a proposal to the powers that be as well as the parliamentary ICT Committee and hope, nay, push, until something gets done. The way I see this working is, we draft a document, brief and simple with what our recommendations are, then Listers can comment on it. If largely agreeable, we send it to the powers that be.
Let me now what your thoughts are, and we could see what we can do about this.
--
Regards, Waithaka Ngigi
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Phares Kariuki -
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Vitalis Olunga -
Walubengo J