Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2011 List Discussions Day 4 Cloud Computing
Dear Listers, 1. What role should the government play to promote cloud computing in Kenya? 2. What practical steps should we take as a nation that will move cloud computing from a lofty idea into a strategic commercial resource? -- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno
Hello Barack, As a private sector entrepreneur, I think Govt's role (when it comes it Cloud Computing) should deal with the following: 1. Data Protection & Privacy Laws / Standards 2. Enabling Environment - Physical Infrastructure like roads, water etc - Streamlined and corruption free judicial & police systems - Simplified licensing & Tax regime (Double Tax Treaties with cloud node countries) - Tax incentives for server farms that want to set-up in marginal areas (Income tax rebates, VAT/Withholding tax exemptions) - Tax incentives for renewable power development & favourable pricing for resale to the national grid. - Guaranteed business from Govt should the firms set up for atleast 5 years (Buy Local Build Local) 3. Marketing & Promotion through support to private sector driven marketing campaigns 4. No meddling beyond this. We'll create the jobs and pay the taxes. Keep politics out of the sector. We can always move ... -----Original Message----- From: Barrack Otieno <[email protected]> Reply-to: Skunkworks Mailing List <[email protected]> To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[email protected]>, Skunkworks forum <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Kenya IGF 2011 List Discussions Day 4 Cloud Computing Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 21:14:08 +0300 Dear Listers, 1. What role should the government play to promote cloud computing in Kenya? 2. What practical steps should we take as a nation that will move cloud computing from a lofty idea into a strategic commercial resource? -- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list [email protected] http://orion.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke -- Regards, Joe Murithi Njeru LPI Certified Professional (www.lpi.org) Zilojo Ltd. P.O. Box 39501-00623 Nairobi Kenya. T: +254-722-787725 E: [email protected] W: http://www.zilojo.com M: http://www.mobility.co.ke/zilojo Strategy . Technology . New Media
Thanks Joe, back to basics, sounds like brick and mortar, from a policy perspective and being a new area how do you think the government should come in? Considering the fact that the policy is being updated, this might be an important take away for the policy team, listers feel free to contribute to the discussion. On 7/4/11, Joe Murithi Njeru <[email protected]> wrote:
Hello Barack,
As a private sector entrepreneur, I think Govt's role (when it comes it Cloud Computing) should deal with the following:
1. Data Protection & Privacy Laws / Standards
2. Enabling Environment - Physical Infrastructure like roads, water etc - Streamlined and corruption free judicial & police systems - Simplified licensing & Tax regime (Double Tax Treaties with cloud node countries) - Tax incentives for server farms that want to set-up in marginal areas (Income tax rebates, VAT/Withholding tax exemptions) - Tax incentives for renewable power development & favourable pricing for resale to the national grid. - Guaranteed business from Govt should the firms set up for atleast 5 years (Buy Local Build Local)
3. Marketing & Promotion through support to private sector driven marketing campaigns
4. No meddling beyond this. We'll create the jobs and pay the taxes. Keep politics out of the sector. We can always move ...
-----Original Message----- From: Barrack Otieno <[email protected]> Reply-to: Skunkworks Mailing List <[email protected]> To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[email protected]>, Skunkworks forum <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Kenya IGF 2011 List Discussions Day 4 Cloud Computing Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 21:14:08 +0300
Dear Listers,
1. What role should the government play to promote cloud computing in Kenya? 2. What practical steps should we take as a nation that will move cloud computing from a lofty idea into a strategic commercial resource?
-- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno
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-- Regards,
Joe Murithi Njeru LPI Certified Professional (www.lpi.org)
Zilojo Ltd. P.O. Box 39501-00623 Nairobi Kenya.
T: +254-722-787725 E: [email protected] W: http://www.zilojo.com M: http://www.mobility.co.ke/zilojo
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On enabling cloud computing the government has done the following: Rolled out an open access terrestrial fibre optics network to all counties; built a government data center; connected all government offices with fibre; aggressively embarked on digitalization of its registries (judiciary, state law office done but lands on progress); identified land for national data centers and about to identify a ppp partner; working on an open access LTE rollout by April 2012; supported universities with subsidized broadband (more than 10GB), disbursed funds to set up digital villages in 39 counties; held awareness seminars on the benefits of cloud computing (last one three weeks ago at Serena on medical cloud and assisting KNH to develop model cloud services); this Friday at 9.30 government launches open data initiative and more. Recent cloud achievement, an MP with court cases corruptly stole all his case files from the high court. Little did he know that the files had been digitalized and the case was to proceed. When he enquired where the digital records were kept, he was told on the cloud. He is still looking up the cloud to see if he can identify them. I must state here that it is awefully dissapointing that some of you are asking for the legal framework when we took it through a thorough stakeholder process before sending it to Cabinet. Further we cannot keep on complaining when the Government has created such an enabling environment. I look forward to the day when someone will come and complain that I started offering this type of cloud services but I am stuck here. Indeed I would stop whatever I am doing and push to see more enterprise and more jobs. Theoretical complaints to clear the road before you can but a car do not add value. Some of the practical risk free steps you must take is to digitalize your family photos, securities (land title deeds) and film and start sharing your virtual site. Soon your neighbour, your relatives and friends would ask you to do it for them. And soon it becomes a business but more importantly help our culture move from oral storage to modern knowledge based storage. This is how every successive enterprise started. Regards Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Barrack Otieno <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 21:14:08 To: <[email protected]> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<[email protected]> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2011 List Discussions Day 4 Cloud Computing _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Thanks Joe , Sam and Aki for your contributions, @ Aki I hope Dr. Ndemo has answered the issue comprehensively, thank you bwana Ps for the concise answers, I am not sure whether the Ps would want to respond on the issue of google, nonetheless, on another thread a lister (I think Bobby) raised an issue on the stability of cloud services any take on this, I believe this is an infrastructure issue as Sam would call it, any take listers? On 7/5/11, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
On enabling cloud computing the government has done the following: Rolled out an open access terrestrial fibre optics network to all counties; built a government data center; connected all government offices with fibre; aggressively embarked on digitalization of its registries (judiciary, state law office done but lands on progress); identified land for national data centers and about to identify a ppp partner; working on an open access LTE rollout by April 2012; supported universities with subsidized broadband (more than 10GB), disbursed funds to set up digital villages in 39 counties; held awareness seminars on the benefits of cloud computing (last one three weeks ago at Serena on medical cloud and assisting KNH to develop model cloud services); this Friday at 9.30 government launches open data initiative and more.
Recent cloud achievement, an MP with court cases corruptly stole all his case files from the high court. Little did he know that the files had been digitalized and the case was to proceed. When he enquired where the digital records were kept, he was told on the cloud. He is still looking up the cloud to see if he can identify them.
I must state here that it is awefully dissapointing that some of you are asking for the legal framework when we took it through a thorough stakeholder process before sending it to Cabinet. Further we cannot keep on complaining when the Government has created such an enabling environment. I look forward to the day when someone will come and complain that I started offering this type of cloud services but I am stuck here. Indeed I would stop whatever I am doing and push to see more enterprise and more jobs. Theoretical complaints to clear the road before you can but a car do not add value.
Some of the practical risk free steps you must take is to digitalize your family photos, securities (land title deeds) and film and start sharing your virtual site. Soon your neighbour, your relatives and friends would ask you to do it for them. And soon it becomes a business but more importantly help our culture move from oral storage to modern knowledge based storage. This is how every successive enterprise started.
Regards
Ndemo.
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Dear All I am aware Kenya Power have given assurances that they are tackling the power issue. However, I know this will remain a challenge for cloud computing until we have stable and sufficient power. I recently had a sad experience when a Customer could not upload data for backup because there were outages in town. I also think, we also still have a lot of ground to cover in providing power to all corners of our counties to enable this venture. Cleophas On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 8:46 AM, Barrack Otieno <[email protected]>wrote:
Thanks Joe , Sam and Aki for your contributions, @ Aki I hope Dr. Ndemo has answered the issue comprehensively, thank you bwana Ps for the concise answers, I am not sure whether the Ps would want to respond on the issue of google, nonetheless, on another thread a lister (I think Bobby) raised an issue on the stability of cloud services any take on this, I believe this is an infrastructure issue as Sam would call it, any take listers?
On enabling cloud computing the government has done the following: Rolled out an open access terrestrial fibre optics network to all counties; built a government data center; connected all government offices with fibre; aggressively embarked on digitalization of its registries (judiciary, state law office done but lands on progress); identified land for national data centers and about to identify a ppp partner; working on an open access LTE rollout by April 2012; supported universities with subsidized broadband (more than 10GB), disbursed funds to set up digital villages in 39 counties; held awareness seminars on the benefits of cloud computing (last one
On 7/5/11, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: three
weeks ago at Serena on medical cloud and assisting KNH to develop model cloud services); this Friday at 9.30 government launches open data initiative and more.
Recent cloud achievement, an MP with court cases corruptly stole all his case files from the high court. Little did he know that the files had been digitalized and the case was to proceed. When he enquired where the digital records were kept, he was told on the cloud. He is still looking up the cloud to see if he can identify them.
I must state here that it is awefully dissapointing that some of you are asking for the legal framework when we took it through a thorough stakeholder process before sending it to Cabinet. Further we cannot keep on complaining when the Government has created such an enabling environment. I look forward to the day when someone will come and complain that I started offering this type of cloud services but I am stuck here. Indeed I would stop whatever I am doing and push to see more enterprise and more jobs. Theoretical complaints to clear the road before you can but a car do not add value.
Some of the practical risk free steps you must take is to digitalize your family photos, securities (land title deeds) and film and start sharing your virtual site. Soon your neighbour, your relatives and friends would ask you to do it for them. And soon it becomes a business but more importantly help our culture move from oral storage to modern knowledge based storage. This is how every successive enterprise started.
Regards
Ndemo.
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I also agree that Kenya Power should be pushed to have adequate and reliable power since data centres and cloud users are reliable on both for such services. We also need to encourage ISPs and Telcos to get into the business of data centres rather than keep fighting over who reduced prices beyond the other. Once we have the capacity, we need to have the govt coming in with policy - favourable laws and tax incentives that will encourage the data hungry Google's and Apples to lease our data centres. KICTB also needs to come in by looking at ways in which developers can have local affordable data centre services. We are currently caught up in an egg or chicken situation where Data centre providers need adequate adoption for pricing to come down while local developers looking to cut costs opt for already established and way cheaper providers.
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 09:55, Dennis Kioko <[email protected]> wrote:
I also agree that Kenya Power should be pushed to have adequate and reliable power since data centres and cloud users are reliable on both for such services.
No one is capable of "pushing" KPLC my friend. They have a monopoly to start with. Secondly, blackouts are a direct consequence (failure) of KPLC's distribution system which we all (presumably) know about. KENGEN is generating the power but KPLC (a broker) has no systems to ensure reliable distribution. While in some countries kids read about power blackouts only in books, in Kenya, even a 4 year old kid will tell you exactly what a blackout is - even before s/he gets to that subject in school. What we need is a reliable power distribution system, and that can and will NEVER be achieved through KPLC.
We also need to encourage ISPs and Telcos to get into the business of data centres rather than keep fighting over who reduced prices beyond the other.
This too, will not be possible. How do expect to "encourage" them, without showing them the figures? Take Safaricom for example. I believe they have a hosted Messaging Service (I can't pronounce the name), but how many Corporations are using this service? The thing is, there is nothing like encouragement. The ISPs will need tangible figures to help them make such decisions which affect their bottom line. They will not invest in deadwood data centers, which will never give them the expected ROI.
Once we have the capacity, we need to have the govt coming in with policy - favourable laws and tax incentives that will encourage the data hungry Google's and Apples to lease our data centres.
Now that I have dealt a severe blow to your previous proposals, don't you see why we still need to leave this business to the likes of Google? They were born and brought up with only such business in mind. They can grow it, and make it affordable to us while we do other things, no?
KICTB also needs to come in by looking at ways in which developers can have local affordable data centre services. We are currently caught up in an egg or chicken situation where Data centre providers need adequate adoption for pricing to come down while local developers looking to cut costs opt for already established and way cheaper providers.
Wait a moment. KICTB? Excuse me for playing the Devil's Advocate, but I'd like to see Paul Kukubo's response to http://goo.gl/em2vD first. Since that blog, I have no faith in KICTB. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
Good points from Washington, Asn as for KPLC, this is why we need to be very vocal in having Sam Gichuru go face the charges facing him abroad, since we are not willing to charge him with anything. In fact , during their rebranding, KPLC should have addressed how the guy fleeced the company to a point that a Monopoly was making losses. I am not that harsh with KPLC as they have shown effort in new initiatives that include investment of circuit breakers and switches on their network to isolate problematic areas - I know that my area suffers chronic black outs because of illegal and overloaded connections in the neighbouring area - from affecting the rest of the grid. They are also in the process of having transmission cables replaced by underground cabling. This efforts need to be fast track these. As for cloud providers, I do agree that they also need to provide better solutions - the recent breed of SaaS applications go beyond the traditional Linux , PHP, Apache MySQL hosting.
Our ISP's are not quite in a position to survive the onslaught of the major telco's (Safaricom etc). They should focus their energies on becoming peering centers and hosting locations. Instead of the telco's investing in DC's they can do that. Why don't we have one of these ISP's building up a Xen based cloud (takes knowledge not $$)... KPLC are to blame, but I guess we should simply figure out a way to work without them. When they choose to deliver, well and good, if not, you are prepared. We have been moaning about them for eons. They have proven they can't change (blackouts are getting worse). Basically have a battery bank and a set of generators. Safaricom figured this out with their far flung base stations... Similar approach. On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Cleophas Barmasai <[email protected]>wrote:
Dear All
I am aware Kenya Power have given assurances that they are tackling the power issue. However, I know this will remain a challenge for cloud computing until we have stable and sufficient power. I recently had a sad experience when a Customer could not upload data for backup because there were outages in town.
I also think, we also still have a lot of ground to cover in providing power to all corners of our counties to enable this venture.
Cleophas
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 8:46 AM, Barrack Otieno <[email protected]>wrote:
Thanks Joe , Sam and Aki for your contributions, @ Aki I hope Dr. Ndemo has answered the issue comprehensively, thank you bwana Ps for the concise answers, I am not sure whether the Ps would want to respond on the issue of google, nonetheless, on another thread a lister (I think Bobby) raised an issue on the stability of cloud services any take on this, I believe this is an infrastructure issue as Sam would call it, any take listers?
On enabling cloud computing the government has done the following: Rolled out an open access terrestrial fibre optics network to all counties; built a government data center; connected all government offices with fibre; aggressively embarked on digitalization of its registries (judiciary, state law office done but lands on progress); identified land for national data centers and about to identify a ppp partner; working on an open access LTE rollout by April 2012; supported universities with subsidized broadband (more than 10GB), disbursed funds to set up digital villages in 39 counties; held awareness seminars on the benefits of cloud computing (last one
On 7/5/11, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: three
weeks ago at Serena on medical cloud and assisting KNH to develop model cloud services); this Friday at 9.30 government launches open data initiative and more.
Recent cloud achievement, an MP with court cases corruptly stole all his case files from the high court. Little did he know that the files had been digitalized and the case was to proceed. When he enquired where the digital records were kept, he was told on the cloud. He is still looking up the cloud to see if he can identify them.
I must state here that it is awefully dissapointing that some of you are asking for the legal framework when we took it through a thorough stakeholder process before sending it to Cabinet. Further we cannot keep on complaining when the Government has created such an enabling environment. I look forward to the day when someone will come and complain that I started offering this type of cloud services but I am stuck here. Indeed I would stop whatever I am doing and push to see more enterprise and more jobs. Theoretical complaints to clear the road before you can but a car do not add value.
Some of the practical risk free steps you must take is to digitalize your family photos, securities (land title deeds) and film and start sharing your virtual site. Soon your neighbour, your relatives and friends would ask you to do it for them. And soon it becomes a business but more importantly help our culture move from oral storage to modern knowledge based storage. This is how every successive enterprise started.
Regards
Ndemo.
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Let us look at things from the postive side. Challenges are the greatest opportunities. If Kengen cannot produce enough power, let us look for resources to do it instead of complaining. As far as I know, you can produce captive power and bypass KPLC. They will wake up if we take advantage of their gaps. Regards Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Cleophas Barmasai <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 09:43:11 To: <[email protected]> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<[email protected]> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2011 List Discussions Day 4 Cloud Computing _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Kenyans being as industrious, can generate enough power for their own consumption and even distribute, but the last time I checked (unless this has changed) you need to get some sort of a "nod" from KPLC to do this- and they are usually reluctant. If fiber can be guaranteed to remote locations, then the data center providers can locate the facilities in such areas where electricity can be reliably and cheaply produced; like the many falls that dot river Kucha" for instance (and many others throughout Kenya including geothermal resource locations)- translating to economic trickle down to the locals and reliable SaaS products. Best Regards, Edwin -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 11:01 AM To: Edwin Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2011 List Discussions Day 4 Cloud Computing Let us look at things from the postive side. Challenges are the greatest opportunities. If Kengen cannot produce enough power, let us look for resources to do it instead of complaining. As far as I know, you can produce captive power and bypass KPLC. They will wake up if we take advantage of their gaps. Regards Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerryR -----Original Message----- From: Cleophas Barmasai <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 09:43:11 To: <[email protected]> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<[email protected]> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2011 List Discussions Day 4 Cloud Computing _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eonchari%40lynxbits.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
The problem with raising our own power is inefficiencies - I think this is also the reason several states prefer a single power distributor. Many people will prefer using diesel generators leading to increasing reliance on imported fuel since we do not produce oil.
Thank you Dr. Ndemo, Washi and Dennis for your insightfull responses, allow me to side with Daktari that we look at our challenges from a positive angle, with all the points that you have brought up which are very valid, i take us back to Dr. Ndemo hoping i don't misquote him who outlined some key milestones that the government of Kenya has attained in so far as cloud computing is concerned, he also underscored the fact that the policy is being revised and that the policy team will be following the discussions keenly, i am not sure if i missed this in one of his responses but is there need for a National Cloud Computing Strategy given that the issues that affect the Stability of the cloud are outside the domain of Ministry of Infocom, i came across http://www.cio.gov/documents/Federal-Cloud-Computing-Strategy.pdf, your take listers? On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Dennis Kioko <[email protected]> wrote:
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1. Is Kenya government cloud computing hosted in Kenya or it is hosted in the West? 2. How can we compete with giant server farms in US and Europe if our power costs is very high? A single server farm in the US of 450,00 servers can consume in the region of 20megawatts of power. With Kengen having a capacity of 700MW, can we cope with such huge demand? Can we even afford the cost of the power bearing in mind the huge cost! 3. Germany is moving out of nuclear energy by 2022, then they will graduate to other affordable renewable energy. Is it time for Kenya to invested in nuclear energy to reach mid level economic status? That way, we will reduce the cost of energy, while growing the economy. Mwendwa -- ______________________ twitter.com/lordmwesh transworldAfrica.com <http://transworldafrica.com/> | Fluent in computing kenya.or.ke | The Kenya we know
Mwendwa, Today's data centers can greatly reduce their footprint by using various technologies like VMWare to reduce no of servers etc Traveling will more later. Lucy AWT On Jul 5, 2011, at 5:22 AM, lordmwesh <[email protected]> wrote:
1. Is Kenya government cloud computing hosted in Kenya or it is hosted in the West? 2. How can we compete with giant server farms in US and Europe if our power costs is very high? A single server farm in the US of 450,00 servers can consume in the region of 20megawatts of power. With Kengen having a capacity of 700MW, can we cope with such huge demand? Can we even afford the cost of the power bearing in mind the huge cost! 3. Germany is moving out of nuclear energy by 2022, then they will graduate to other affordable renewable energy. Is it time for Kenya to invested in nuclear energy to reach mid level economic status? That way, we will reduce the cost of energy, while growing the economy.
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Mwendwa, Here is my detailed response from this morning.... In addition to Server Virtualization to reduce today’s datacenter footprint which I mentioned earlier, in order to improve operational efficiency data center computer room air handling units can be architected in a perimeter raised floor cooling approach as a cooling solution as is evidenced in the white paper by the Green Grid who have managed to prove that there is a case to be made for energy efficient data centers. http://www.thegreengrid.org/~/media/WhitePapers/CaseStudyTheROIofCoolingSyst... Also check out their paper on An Analysis of Server Virtualization Utility Incentives (2011 Technical Forum) http://www.thegreengrid.org/en/Global/Content/white-papers/ServerVirtualizat... Well for those that wanted to know why Google? I would hazard a guess that perhaps one of the considerations was the fact that Google’s Green Data Centers have implemented a variety of practices to ensure that their data centers are running efficiently using only half the energy of a typical data center, not to mention their data protection pracices, but I am not in the know so mine is just an asumption. http://www.google.com/corporate/datacenter/best-practices.html LK --- On Tue, 7/5/11, Lucy Kimani <[email protected]> wrote: From: Lucy Kimani <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2011 List Discussions Day 4 Cloud Computing To: "lordmwesh" <[email protected]> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, July 5, 2011, 7:51 AM Mwendwa, Today's data centers can greatly reduce their footprint by using various technologies like VMWare to reduce no of servers etc Traveling will more later. Lucy On Jul 5, 2011, at 5:22 AM, lordmwesh <[email protected]> wrote: 1. Is Kenya government cloud computing hosted in Kenya or it is hosted in the West? 2. How can we compete with giant server farms in US and Europe if our power costs is very high? A single server farm in the US of 450,00 servers can consume in the region of 20megawatts of power. With Kengen having a capacity of 700MW, can we cope with such huge demand? Can we even afford the cost of the power bearing in mind the huge cost! 3. Germany is moving out of nuclear energy by 2022, then they will graduate to other affordable renewable energy. Is it time for Kenya to invested in nuclear energy to reach mid level economic status? That way, we will reduce the cost of energy, while growing the economy. Mwendwa -- ______________________ twitter.com/lordmwesh transworldAfrica.com | Fluent in computing kenya.or.ke | The Kenya we know _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/lkimani%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Paradoxically its the problems rooted in lack of a reliable grid that will drive cloud computing. Take a simple example - Equity Bank, after realising they only use a small percentage of a Tier IV datacentre, have plans to host others to use up that excess capacity. I imagine other banks and players in the enterprise space also have too much capacity - so to take the headache away i.e. each will not need to invest x billion on power back up systems and instead deploy some systems to a private cloud and leave the headache to a single party to manage in terms of storage planning, connectivity, R&D, testing, security and POWER back up. Very similar to what mobile operators are doing with their towers - selling them to tower operators who can then share the cost of operating the tower, running back up systems among two or more operators. On 5 July 2011 11:01, <[email protected]> wrote:
Let us look at things from the postive side. Challenges are the greatest opportunities. If Kengen cannot produce enough power, let us look for resources to do it instead of complaining. As far as I know, you can produce captive power and bypass KPLC. They will wake up if we take advantage of their gaps.
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@ Francis, thank you for the insights, we have a number of data centers strewn all over the City, i have made site visits to some of them, the problem is they are not talking which poses another challenge, how do we embrace the data centers when we are not sure of their existence? On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Francis Hook <[email protected]> wrote:
Paradoxically its the problems rooted in lack of a reliable grid that will drive cloud computing. Take a simple example - Equity Bank, after realising they only use a small percentage of a Tier IV datacentre, have plans to host others to use up that excess capacity. I imagine other banks and players in the enterprise space also have too much capacity - so to take the headache away i.e. each will not need to invest x billion on power back up systems and instead deploy some systems to a private cloud and leave the headache to a single party to manage in terms of storage planning, connectivity, R&D, testing, security and POWER back up.
Very similar to what mobile operators are doing with their towers - selling them to tower operators who can then share the cost of operating the tower, running back up systems among two or more operators.
On 5 July 2011 11:01, <[email protected]> wrote:
Let us look at things from the postive side. Challenges are the greatest opportunities. If Kengen cannot produce enough power, let us look for resources to do it instead of complaining. As far as I know, you can produce captive power and bypass KPLC. They will wake up if we take advantage of their gaps.
Regards
Ndemo.
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