Re: [kictanet] Day-time Vulgar Conversations on Kenya Media
Two comments - Kudos Robert Yawe for the you take in the presence of vulgar stuff. Good for you. That said, ask yourself how many hours you spend with your kids in a day. If you are as busy as most parents are, you will find that your children are spending more time with other people than with you. And those that interact with, what they do when together, what they share when they so interact you probably wouldn't know. But eh! You are doing the best in challenged circumstances! - Peter Kenduiywo: Even in societies (like in the west with a high degree of liberalism) there are guidelines on these matters. Everything that is shown on TV, theatre, etc.has a code and (where necessary) there are warning before and during the show asking those that don't want such content to switch channels or choose to watch. In fact, there are strict guidelines on in public, even when people know it happens. Peter: there is no absolute freedom; indeed, yours ends where mine stops. That said, social mores and what is acceptable in public or not changes with time. For instance I recall debates regarding women wearing trousers, mini-skirts and the like, which today will likely look out of order. Finally on homosexuality, former Canadian PM (the late Pierre Trudeau) had it right: what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their homes is their business. Just don't shove things in others' faces. Vulgar material in Kenyan media is like the latter: shoving stuff in our faces, regardless of our feelings. Kudos CCK for the initiative. I hope the process will be speeded up. Have a good weekend. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matunda Nyanchama, PhD, CISSP; mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com Agano Consulting Inc.; www.aganoconsulting.com; Twitter: nmatunda; Skype: okiambe ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Manage your ICT risks! We are the experts you need! The trusted partners you deserve! Call: +1-888-587-1150 (Canada) +254-20-267-0743 (Kenya) or info@aganoconsulting.com In Kenya - Licensed by Communications Commission of Kenya (CCK) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The best revenge is massive success" - Frank Sinatra----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail, including attachments, may be privileged and may contain confidential or proprietary information intended only for the addressee(s). Any other distribution, copying, use, or disclosure is unauthorized and strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete the message, including any attachments, without making a copy. Thank you.
@Matunda, I spend at least 3 hours a day with my children on weekdays and more over the weekend they then spend the next 9 hours in school 90% of which is with their peers & another 9 hours is spent sleeping I did not take my children to boarding school, I do not frequent those places where men claim they have gone to discuss issues on national importance, I do not play golf on Saturday morning, I do not take the car for washing at conveniently located car washes and I only read the paper after they have gone to bed. Note, finding time to be with your children is a matter of choice so we need to stop abdicating our responsibilities to the government, schools, churches, house help (whose retirement we have refused to fund), parliament, the senate, the judiciary, governors, matrons, television and radio, maybe we should also have abdicated the process of creating them also. But that is besides the point, you need to inculcate the right values in your children after which you can safely release them into the world knowing that they are armed to face the temptations of this world and come through unscathed. There is a clear reason why the government says that the children are you responsibility until they get to the age of 21 after which your abilities as a parent shall be tested by the society at large, our failures are visible in Kamiti and Asumbi. On the other end many of us are the decision makers in organisations that support the vulgar media through advertising revenue then we twit about the content, We claim to be a faith based society, my foot, yet the presenters of those vulgar shows appear in the mosques, churches, temples and tents during the sabbath and are accepted with open arms, hypocrites is what many of us are. If you feed anything be it a habit, animal plant or virtue it will inevitably grow. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Matunda Nyanchama <mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, 28 June 2013, 17:01 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day-time Vulgar Conversations on Kenya Media Two comments - Kudos Robert Yawe for the you take in the presence of vulgar stuff. Good for you. That said, ask yourself how many hours you spend with your kids in a day. If you are as busy as most parents are, you will find that your children are spending more time with other people than with you. And those that interact with, what they do when together, what they share when they so interact you probably wouldn't know. But eh! You are doing the best in challenged circumstances! - Peter Kenduiywo: Even in societies (like in the west with a high degree of liberalism) there are guidelines on these matters. Everything that is shown on TV, theatre, etc.has a code and (where necessary) there are warning before and during the show asking those that don't want such content to switch channels or choose to watch. In fact, there are strict guidelines on in public, even when people know it happens. Peter: there is no absolute freedom; indeed, yours ends where mine stops. That said, social mores and what is acceptable in public or not changes with time. For instance I recall debates regarding women wearing trousers, mini-skirts and the like, which today will likely look out of order. Finally on homosexuality, former Canadian PM (the late Pierre Trudeau) had it right: what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their homes is their business. Just don't shove things in others' faces. Vulgar material in Kenyan media is like the latter: shoving stuff in our faces, regardless of our feelings. Kudos CCK for the initiative. I hope the process will be speeded up. Have a good weekend. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matunda Nyanchama, PhD, CISSP; mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com Agano Consulting Inc.; www.aganoconsulting.com; Twitter: nmatunda; Skype: okiambe ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Manage your ICT risks! We are the experts you need! The trusted partners you deserve! 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+1Million :) On Jul 1, 2013 7:46 AM, "robert yawe" <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
@Matunda,
I spend at least 3 hours a day with my children on weekdays and more over the weekend they then spend the next 9 hours in school 90% of which is with their peers & another 9 hours is spent sleeping
I did not take my children to boarding school, I do not frequent those places where men claim they have gone to discuss issues on national importance, I do not play golf on Saturday morning, I do not take the car for washing at conveniently located car washes and I only read the paper after they have gone to bed.
Note, finding time to be with your children is a matter of choice so we need to stop abdicating our responsibilities to the government, schools, churches, house help (whose retirement we have refused to fund), parliament, the senate, the judiciary, governors, matrons, television and radio, maybe we should also have abdicated the process of creating them also.
But that is besides the point, you need to inculcate the right values in your children after which you can safely release them into the world knowing that they are armed to face the temptations of this world and come through unscathed. There is a clear reason why the government says that the children are you responsibility until they get to the age of 21 after which your abilities as a parent shall be tested by the society at large, our failures are visible in Kamiti and Asumbi.
On the other end many of us are the decision makers in organisations that support the vulgar media through advertising revenue then we twit about the content,
We claim to be a faith based society, my foot, yet the presenters of those vulgar shows appear in the mosques, churches, temples and tents during the sabbath and are accepted with open arms, hypocrites is what many of us are.
If you feed anything be it a habit, animal plant or virtue it will inevitably grow.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* Matunda Nyanchama <mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Friday, 28 June 2013, 17:01 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Day-time Vulgar Conversations on Kenya Media
Two comments
- Kudos Robert Yawe for the you take in the presence of vulgar stuff. Good for you. That said, ask yourself how many hours you spend with your kids in a day. If you are as busy as most parents are, you will find that your children are spending more time with other people than with you. And those that interact with, what they do when together, what they share when they so interact you probably wouldn't know. But eh! You are doing the best in challenged circumstances!
- Peter Kenduiywo: Even in societies (like in the west with a high degree of liberalism) there are guidelines on these matters. Everything that is shown on TV, theatre, etc.has a code and (where necessary) there are warning before and during the show asking those that don't want such content to switch channels or choose to watch. In fact, there are strict guidelines on in public, even when people know it happens. Peter: there is no absolute freedom; indeed, yours ends where mine stops. That said, social mores and what is acceptable in public or not changes with time. For instance I recall debates regarding women wearing trousers, mini-skirts and the like, which today will likely look out of order. Finally on homosexuality, former Canadian PM (the late Pierre Trudeau) had it right: what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their homes is their business. Just don't shove things in others' faces. Vulgar material in Kenyan media is like the latter: shoving stuff in our faces, regardless of our feelings.
Kudos CCK for the initiative. I hope the process will be speeded up.
Have a good weekend.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matunda Nyanchama, PhD, CISSP; mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com Agano Consulting Inc.; www.aganoconsulting.com; Twitter: nmatunda; <http://twitter.com/#%21/nmatunda>Skype: okiambe
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Well put Yawe, We need to take responsibility in parenting and especially regulation of what our children watch. Regards Sammy From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Reply-To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Monday, July 1, 2013 7:45 AM To: Sammy Buruchara <Buruchara@me.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day-time Vulgar Conversations on Kenya Media @Matunda, I spend at least 3 hours a day with my children on weekdays and more over the weekend they then spend the next 9 hours in school 90% of which is with their peers & another 9 hours is spent sleeping I did not take my children to boarding school, I do not frequent those places where men claim they have gone to discuss issues on national importance, I do not play golf on Saturday morning, I do not take the car for washing at conveniently located car washes and I only read the paper after they have gone to bed. Note, finding time to be with your children is a matter of choice so we need to stop abdicating our responsibilities to the government, schools, churches, house help (whose retirement we have refused to fund), parliament, the senate, the judiciary, governors, matrons, television and radio, maybe we should also have abdicated the process of creating them also. But that is besides the point, you need to inculcate the right values in your children after which you can safely release them into the world knowing that they are armed to face the temptations of this world and come through unscathed. There is a clear reason why the government says that the children are you responsibility until they get to the age of 21 after which your abilities as a parent shall be tested by the society at large, our failures are visible in Kamiti and Asumbi. On the other end many of us are the decision makers in organisations that support the vulgar media through advertising revenue then we twit about the content, We claim to be a faith based society, my foot, yet the presenters of those vulgar shows appear in the mosques, churches, temples and tents during the sabbath and are accepted with open arms, hypocrites is what many of us are. If you feed anything be it a habit, animal plant or virtue it will inevitably grow. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 From: Matunda Nyanchama <mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, 28 June 2013, 17:01 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day-time Vulgar Conversations on Kenya Media Two comments - Kudos Robert Yawe for the you take in the presence of vulgar stuff. Good for you. That said, ask yourself how many hours you spend with your kids in a day. If you are as busy as most parents are, you will find that your children are spending more time with other people than with you. And those that interact with, what they do when together, what they share when they so interact you probably wouldn't know. But eh! You are doing the best in challenged circumstances! - Peter Kenduiywo: Even in societies (like in the west with a high degree of liberalism) there are guidelines on these matters. Everything that is shown on TV, theatre, etc.has a code and (where necessary) there are warning before and during the show asking those that don't want such content to switch channels or choose to watch. In fact, there are strict guidelines on in public, even when people know it happens. Peter: there is no absolute freedom; indeed, yours ends where mine stops. That said, social mores and what is acceptable in public or not changes with time. For instance I recall debates regarding women wearing trousers, mini-skirts and the like, which today will likely look out of order. Finally on homosexuality, former Canadian PM (the late Pierre Trudeau) had it right: what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their homes is their business. Just don't shove things in others' faces. Vulgar material in Kenyan media is like the latter: shoving stuff in our faces, regardless of our feelings. Kudos CCK for the initiative. I hope the process will be speeded up. Have a good weekend. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------ Matunda Nyanchama, PhD, CISSP; mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com Agano Consulting Inc.; www.aganoconsulting.com <http://www.aganoconsulting.com/> ; Twitter: nmatunda; <http://twitter.com/#%21/nmatunda> Skype: okiambe ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------ Manage your ICT risks! We are the experts you need! The trusted partners you deserve! Call: +1-888-587-1150 (Canada) +254-20-267-0743 (Kenya) or info@aganoconsulting.com In Kenya - Licensed by Communications Commission of Kenya (CCK) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------- "The best revenge is massive success" - Frank Sinatra ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------- This e-mail, including attachments, may be privileged and may contain confidential or proprietary information intended only for the addressee(s). Any other distribution, copying, use, or disclosure is unauthorized and strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete the message, including any attachments, without making a copy. 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Matunda Nyanchama -
robert yawe -
S.M. Muraya -
Sammy Buruchara