Re: [kictanet] [Skunkworks] DEADLY THIKA ROAD - WHO IS LISTENING?
Thanks for the responses. I believe we can put all these lovely ideas together and move to address the issue. Am thinking of a mobile app, to deal with this and a host of other issues around us. One that is freely accessible and available to everyone. Some discussion points:- I need to know - . How can I proceed - I've a no. of ideas and need to work with some developers on the prototype - incubate and develop it. . How can such idea be funded, for public good. Are there avenues..? . How can we have the idea ( if viable), facilitated with relevant structures such as the legal framework for it to work..? . What would be the ideal procedure, taking the above into account, in order to arrive at a National app to make Kenya & beyond a better place..? Regards, Harry From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Barrack Otieno Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 9:34 PM To: kris njoroge Cc: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] [kictanet] DEADLY THIKA ROAD - WHO IS LISTENING? I think we are taking this matter casually yet it presents an opportunity for innovators, any time i have been driven around europe i have noted that the drivers are very weary of cameras, most of the GPS systems even detect cameras in the vicinity, this deters any drivers who are tempted to speed or commit any traffic crimes, Cameras are very effective in that they can capture a cars number plate, with these police can go after the owners of the vehicles who will in turn produce the people who were driving the car or take responsibility for the crime. In simple times technology can help the police enforce the law since human beings have a natural affinity to break the law. My 2 cents On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 9:09 PM, kris njoroge <krsnjo@gmail.com> wrote: In my view we need a total overhaul of the whole system a change of attitude by everybody drivers, pedestrians cart pusher everybody. Technology cannot operate in a vaccum so was caught on camera speeding so how do you follow up. I think we should all be forced to go back to school and made to understand what it entails to be on the carriageway. Had asked earlier what distance would be appropriate to keep between cars when traveling at 100kph? You were never taught that in school and nrever tested on it so why would you be surprised when there is a multiple pile up. We generally don't value human life is driving under the influence legal? Road signs are required everywhere not just on Thika road basically we just need to change how we relate with the road. -- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/
Harry, 1. Go into the iHub on any week day you'll find numerous developers there. 2. You could either look at an Tandaa ICT grant or a start-up fund there are lots out there. I am a managing partner at one, i4a Capital. 3. This is the crucial issue for anything that relies on government i.e. an accessible database of vehicle license plate numbers and the appropriate enforcement of any punishment you are going to struggle. Find a way not to rely on government. 4. If you build a good app, with a little bit of PR, it will be successful. N. From: Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Organization: Comtel Systems Ltd Reply-To: <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 18:54:14 +0300 To: Nicholas Dear <ndear@sundayafternoon.me.uk> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [Skunkworks] DEADLY THIKA ROAD - WHO IS LISTENING? Thanks for the responses. I believe we can put all these lovely ideas together and move to address the issue. Am thinking of a mobile app, to deal with this and a host of other issues around us. One that is freely accessible and available to everyone. Some discussion points:- I need to know - · How can I proceed I¹ve a no. of ideas and need to work with some developers on the prototype incubate and develop it. · How can such idea be funded, for public good. Are there avenues..? · How can we have the idea ( if viable), facilitated with relevant structures such as the legal framework for it to work..? · What would be the ideal procedure, taking the above into account, in order to arrive at a National app to make Kenya & beyond a better place..? Regards, Harry From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Barrack Otieno Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 9:34 PM To: kris njoroge Cc: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] [kictanet] DEADLY THIKA ROAD - WHO IS LISTENING? I think we are taking this matter casually yet it presents an opportunity for innovators, any time i have been driven around europe i have noted that the drivers are very weary of cameras, most of the GPS systems even detect cameras in the vicinity, this deters any drivers who are tempted to speed or commit any traffic crimes, Cameras are very effective in that they can capture a cars number plate, with these police can go after the owners of the vehicles who will in turn produce the people who were driving the car or take responsibility for the crime. In simple times technology can help the police enforce the law since human beings have a natural affinity to break the law. My 2 cents On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 9:09 PM, kris njoroge <krsnjo@gmail.com> wrote: In my view we need a total overhaul of the whole system a change of attitude by everybody drivers, pedestrians cart pusher everybody. Technology cannot operate in a vaccum so was caught on camera speeding so how do you follow up. I think we should all be forced to go back to school and made to understand what it entails to be on the carriageway. Had asked earlier what distance would be appropriate to keep between cars when traveling at 100kph? You were never taught that in school and nrever tested on it so why would you be surprised when there is a multiple pile up. We generally don't value human life is driving under the influence legal? Road signs are required everywhere not just on Thika road basically we just need to change how we relate with the road. -- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/ _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ndear%40sundayafternoon .me.uk The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Hey Nicholas, Many thanks for this, mate.. Am glad to note you already involved in this area and will be in close contact.. Meanwhile on your no.3 below, have really thought about it, but it still emerges that law would be a crucial to help any such kind of an app/tool, for it to have any relevance to the wider user base. I believe ministry of infocomm could be attentive to such an idea.? I settled on this gadget that almost everyone has in their hands now - the handheld phone device. We can turn this into a formidable tool/weapon to make these roads friendlier..! No option, but each of us has to seize the initiative and do it. Else, cries/complains will only pile up into the skies. Harry From: Nicholas J Dear [mailto:ndear@sundayafternoon.me.uk] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 7:03 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] [Skunkworks] DEADLY THIKA ROAD - WHO IS LISTENING? Harry, 1. Go into the iHub on any week day - you'll find numerous developers there. 2. You could either look at an Tandaa ICT grant or a start-up fund - there are lots out there. I am a managing partner at one, i4a Capital. 3. This is the crucial issue - for anything that relies on government - i.e. an accessible database of vehicle license plate numbers and the appropriate enforcement of any punishment - you are going to struggle. Find a way not to rely on government. 4. If you build a good app, with a little bit of PR, it will be successful. N. From: Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Organization: Comtel Systems Ltd Reply-To: <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 18:54:14 +0300 To: Nicholas Dear <ndear@sundayafternoon.me.uk> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [Skunkworks] DEADLY THIKA ROAD - WHO IS LISTENING? Thanks for the responses. I believe we can put all these lovely ideas together and move to address the issue. Am thinking of a mobile app, to deal with this and a host of other issues around us. One that is freely accessible and available to everyone. Some discussion points:- I need to know - . How can I proceed - I've a no. of ideas and need to work with some developers on the prototype - incubate and develop it. . How can such idea be funded, for public good. Are there avenues..? . How can we have the idea ( if viable), facilitated with relevant structures such as the legal framework for it to work..? . What would be the ideal procedure, taking the above into account, in order to arrive at a National app to make Kenya & beyond a better place..? Regards, Harry From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Barrack Otieno Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 9:34 PM To: kris njoroge Cc: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] [kictanet] DEADLY THIKA ROAD - WHO IS LISTENING? I think we are taking this matter casually yet it presents an opportunity for innovators, any time i have been driven around europe i have noted that the drivers are very weary of cameras, most of the GPS systems even detect cameras in the vicinity, this deters any drivers who are tempted to speed or commit any traffic crimes, Cameras are very effective in that they can capture a cars number plate, with these police can go after the owners of the vehicles who will in turn produce the people who were driving the car or take responsibility for the crime. In simple times technology can help the police enforce the law since human beings have a natural affinity to break the law. My 2 cents On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 9:09 PM, kris njoroge <krsnjo@gmail.com> wrote: In my view we need a total overhaul of the whole system a change of attitude by everybody drivers, pedestrians cart pusher everybody. Technology cannot operate in a vaccum so was caught on camera speeding so how do you follow up. I think we should all be forced to go back to school and made to understand what it entails to be on the carriageway. Had asked earlier what distance would be appropriate to keep between cars when traveling at 100kph? You were never taught that in school and nrever tested on it so why would you be surprised when there is a multiple pile up. We generally don't value human life is driving under the influence legal? Road signs are required everywhere not just on Thika road basically we just need to change how we relate with the road. -- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/ _______________________________________________kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ndear%40sundayafternoon .me.uk The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
do a good useful app. we 'll do the pr.
Great ideas - how will corruption be stemmed to avoid people bribing their way out of traffic offences? The app needs to make the information transparent and any fines paid automatically registered in the system and within public domain. After all our President lauded the use of ICTs (and social media) to address development challenges yesterday. I say yes to this app. Call it eBarabara! Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist Climate Change and Water Program Agriculture and Environment International Development Research Centre Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Liason House 2nd floor, State House Avenue, Nairobi, Kenya +254-20-2713160/1 | Fax: +254-20-2711063 | Mobile: +254-733-624345 eadera@idrc.ca | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Harry Delano Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 6:54 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] [Skunkworks] DEADLY THIKA ROAD - WHO IS LISTENING? Thanks for the responses. I believe we can put all these lovely ideas together and move to address the issue. Am thinking of a mobile app, to deal with this and a host of other issues around us. One that is freely accessible and available to everyone. Some discussion points:- I need to know - * How can I proceed - I've a no. of ideas and need to work with some developers on the prototype - incubate and develop it. * How can such idea be funded, for public good. Are there avenues..? * How can we have the idea ( if viable), facilitated with relevant structures such as the legal framework for it to work..? * What would be the ideal procedure, taking the above into account, in order to arrive at a National app to make Kenya & beyond a better place..? Regards, Harry From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Barrack Otieno Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 9:34 PM To: kris njoroge Cc: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] [kictanet] DEADLY THIKA ROAD - WHO IS LISTENING? I think we are taking this matter casually yet it presents an opportunity for innovators, any time i have been driven around europe i have noted that the drivers are very weary of cameras, most of the GPS systems even detect cameras in the vicinity, this deters any drivers who are tempted to speed or commit any traffic crimes, Cameras are very effective in that they can capture a cars number plate, with these police can go after the owners of the vehicles who will in turn produce the people who were driving the car or take responsibility for the crime. In simple times technology can help the police enforce the law since human beings have a natural affinity to break the law. My 2 cents On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 9:09 PM, kris njoroge <krsnjo@gmail.com<mailto:krsnjo@gmail.com>> wrote: In my view we need a total overhaul of the whole system a change of attitude by everybody drivers, pedestrians cart pusher everybody. Technology cannot operate in a vaccum so was caught on camera speeding so how do you follow up. I think we should all be forced to go back to school and made to understand what it entails to be on the carriageway. Had asked earlier what distance would be appropriate to keep between cars when traveling at 100kph? You were never taught that in school and nrever tested on it so why would you be surprised when there is a multiple pile up. We generally don't value human life is driving under the influence legal? Road signs are required everywhere not just on Thika road basically we just need to change how we relate with the road. -- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/
I think this is a great approach to Bribe awareness: http://ipaidabribe.com/ From: Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 10:53:11 +0300 To: Nicholas Dear <ndear@sundayafternoon.me.uk> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [Skunkworks] DEADLY THIKA ROAD - WHO IS LISTENING? Great ideas how will corruption be stemmed to avoid people bribing their way out of traffic offences? The app needs to make the information transparent and any fines paid automatically registered in the system and within public domain. After all our President lauded the use of ICTs (and social media) to address development challenges yesterday. I say yes to this app. Call it eBarabara! Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist Climate Change and Water Program Agriculture and Environment International Development Research Centre Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Liason House 2nd floor, State House Avenue, Nairobi, Kenya +254-20-2713160/1 | Fax: +254-20-2711063 | Mobile: +254-733-624345 eadera@idrc.ca | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Harry Delano Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 6:54 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] [Skunkworks] DEADLY THIKA ROAD - WHO IS LISTENING? Thanks for the responses. I believe we can put all these lovely ideas together and move to address the issue. Am thinking of a mobile app, to deal with this and a host of other issues around us. One that is freely accessible and available to everyone. Some discussion points:- I need to know - · How can I proceed I’ve a no. of ideas and need to work with some developers on the prototype incubate and develop it. · How can such idea be funded, for public good. Are there avenues..? · How can we have the idea ( if viable), facilitated with relevant structures such as the legal framework for it to work..? · What would be the ideal procedure, taking the above into account, in order to arrive at a National app to make Kenya & beyond a better place..? Regards, Harry From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Barrack Otieno Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 9:34 PM To: kris njoroge Cc: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] [kictanet] DEADLY THIKA ROAD - WHO IS LISTENING? I think we are taking this matter casually yet it presents an opportunity for innovators, any time i have been driven around europe i have noted that the drivers are very weary of cameras, most of the GPS systems even detect cameras in the vicinity, this deters any drivers who are tempted to speed or commit any traffic crimes, Cameras are very effective in that they can capture a cars number plate, with these police can go after the owners of the vehicles who will in turn produce the people who were driving the car or take responsibility for the crime. In simple times technology can help the police enforce the law since human beings have a natural affinity to break the law. My 2 cents On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 9:09 PM, kris njoroge <krsnjo@gmail.com> wrote: In my view we need a total overhaul of the whole system a change of attitude by everybody drivers, pedestrians cart pusher everybody. Technology cannot operate in a vaccum so was caught on camera speeding so how do you follow up. I think we should all be forced to go back to school and made to understand what it entails to be on the carriageway. Had asked earlier what distance would be appropriate to keep between cars when traveling at 100kph? You were never taught that in school and nrever tested on it so why would you be surprised when there is a multiple pile up. We generally don't value human life is driving under the influence legal? Road signs are required everywhere not just on Thika road basically we just need to change how we relate with the road. -- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/ _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ndear%40sundayafternoon .me.uk The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Meant to add. I have been reliably informed that Eng Kidenda, in-charge of Kenyan roads has been alerted to this Thika road issue raised on KICTANET. Can we have him enlisted on KICTANET (administrators?) so he can respond to issues raised and his statement should also go to all Kenyans as Thika Road is a major problem and something needs to be done urgently. Lets not wait for it to claim the live of a prominent person to act! The app idea could also be supported by KENHA Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist Climate Change and Water Program Agriculture and Environment International Development Research Centre Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Liason House 2nd floor, State House Avenue, Nairobi, Kenya +254-20-2713160/1 | Fax: +254-20-2711063 | Mobile: +254-733-624345 eadera@idrc.ca | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca From: Edith Adera Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 10:53 AM To: 'harry@comtelsys.co.ke' Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: RE: [kictanet] [Skunkworks] DEADLY THIKA ROAD - WHO IS LISTENING? Great ideas - how will corruption be stemmed to avoid people bribing their way out of traffic offences? The app needs to make the information transparent and any fines paid automatically registered in the system and within public domain. After all our President lauded the use of ICTs (and social media) to address development challenges yesterday. I say yes to this app. Call it eBarabara! Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist Climate Change and Water Program Agriculture and Environment International Development Research Centre Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Liason House 2nd floor, State House Avenue, Nairobi, Kenya +254-20-2713160/1 | Fax: +254-20-2711063 | Mobile: +254-733-624345 eadera@idrc.ca<mailto:eadera@idrc.ca> | www.idrc.ca<http://www.idrc.ca> | www.crdi.ca<http://www.crdi.ca> From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Harry Delano Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 6:54 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] [Skunkworks] DEADLY THIKA ROAD - WHO IS LISTENING? Thanks for the responses. I believe we can put all these lovely ideas together and move to address the issue. Am thinking of a mobile app, to deal with this and a host of other issues around us. One that is freely accessible and available to everyone. Some discussion points:- I need to know - * How can I proceed - I've a no. of ideas and need to work with some developers on the prototype - incubate and develop it. * How can such idea be funded, for public good. Are there avenues..? * How can we have the idea ( if viable), facilitated with relevant structures such as the legal framework for it to work..? * What would be the ideal procedure, taking the above into account, in order to arrive at a National app to make Kenya & beyond a better place..? Regards, Harry From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Barrack Otieno Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 9:34 PM To: kris njoroge Cc: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] [kictanet] DEADLY THIKA ROAD - WHO IS LISTENING? I think we are taking this matter casually yet it presents an opportunity for innovators, any time i have been driven around europe i have noted that the drivers are very weary of cameras, most of the GPS systems even detect cameras in the vicinity, this deters any drivers who are tempted to speed or commit any traffic crimes, Cameras are very effective in that they can capture a cars number plate, with these police can go after the owners of the vehicles who will in turn produce the people who were driving the car or take responsibility for the crime. In simple times technology can help the police enforce the law since human beings have a natural affinity to break the law. My 2 cents On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 9:09 PM, kris njoroge <krsnjo@gmail.com<mailto:krsnjo@gmail.com>> wrote: In my view we need a total overhaul of the whole system a change of attitude by everybody drivers, pedestrians cart pusher everybody. Technology cannot operate in a vaccum so was caught on camera speeding so how do you follow up. I think we should all be forced to go back to school and made to understand what it entails to be on the carriageway. Had asked earlier what distance would be appropriate to keep between cars when traveling at 100kph? You were never taught that in school and nrever tested on it so why would you be surprised when there is a multiple pile up. We generally don't value human life is driving under the influence legal? Road signs are required everywhere not just on Thika road basically we just need to change how we relate with the road. -- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/
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