Day 7 of 10:-IGF Discussion, Economic Issues
Morning!! Thank you all for your contribution to various aspects of internet governance. Today we start our discussions on economic issues. The internet is increasingly playing a critical role in economic development specifically in facilitating international trade. The economic issues therefore basically relate to the framework that makes e-commerce possible. The participation of developing countries in e-commerce is limited by the lack the appropriate legislation, authentication technologies and electronic payment methods. The main limitation however is the lack of appropriate legislation that is essential in the protection of consumers in relation to confidentiality, misleading advertising and delivery of faulty products. In your view, who should be responsible for protection of the consumer in light of the fact that the national legislation may be faced with the limitation of jurisdiction? Given that mobile services are available to the majority, should developing countries concentrate their efforts in enabling m-commerce to overcome the challenges of e-commerce? What private sector initiatives are there in e-commerce particularly in e-Payments? Looking forward to hearing from you. Kind regards Mwende Disclaimer: These comments are the author's own
Hi all, Well just to add on to this debate. We have various trading blocks - EAC, COMESA etc. I dont have the data on how much we trade against each of this blocks - but i would imagine that the level of trade carried out between the regions is almost equal to the amount of communications that is conducted amongst the trading parties. If thats the case, what role should Governments, regulators etc play in ensuring that communications between the various trading blocks is efficient and cost effective i.e almost as the cost of local services. IMHO this would go a long way in reducing the amount of dependence on international connectivity for regional traffic. - This may as well be a point to review on the interconnection issue - but i sort of see the relationship between the economics and interconnection. Regards, Michuki. mwende njiraini wrote:
Morning!!
Thank you all for your contribution to various aspects of internet governance. Today we start our discussions on economic issues. The internet is increasingly playing a critical role in economic development specifically in facilitating international trade.
The economic issues therefore basically relate to the framework that makes e-commerce possible. The participation of developing countries in e-commerce is limited by the lack the appropriate legislation, authentication technologies and electronic payment methods. The main limitation however is the lack of appropriate legislation that is essential in the protection of consumers in relation to confidentiality, misleading advertising and delivery of faulty products.
In your view, who should be responsible for protection of the consumer in light of the fact that the national legislation may be faced with the limitation of jurisdiction? Given that mobile services are available to the majority, should developing countries concentrate their efforts in enabling m-commerce to overcome the challenges of e-commerce? What private sector initiatives are there in e-commerce particularly in e-Payments?
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Kind regards Mwende
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I agree, there is definitely a link between economics and interconnection. For example, mobile operators have networks spanning across East and Southern Africa enabling users to communicate without incurring roaming charges thus encouraging commercial activity. Interconnection of telecommunication networks is supported by ongoing efforts to harmonize regulatory requirements in the region. This is a great accomplishment considering that Europe has over a long time battled with the introduction of roaming regulation. Though there are distinct differences between mobile and the internet interconnection, what is the limitation in providing connectivity been IXPs existing in the COMESA, EAC and SADC trading blocks? References: 1. The roaming regulation Available at: http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/activities/roaming/regulation/index_en.htm[Accessed August 2008] Disclaimer: These comments are the author's own On 8/19/08, Michuki Mwangi <michuki@swiftkenya.com> wrote:
Hi all,
Well just to add on to this debate. We have various trading blocks - EAC, COMESA etc. I dont have the data on how much we trade against each of this blocks - but i would imagine that the level of trade carried out between the regions is almost equal to the amount of communications that is conducted amongst the trading parties. If thats the case, what role should Governments, regulators etc play in ensuring that communications between the various trading blocks is efficient and cost effective i.e almost as the cost of local services. IMHO this would go a long way in reducing the amount of dependence on international connectivity for regional traffic. - This may as well be a point to review on the interconnection issue - but i sort of see the relationship between the economics and interconnection.
Regards,
Michuki.
mwende njiraini wrote:
Morning!!
Thank you all for your contribution to various aspects of internet governance. Today we start our discussions on economic issues. The internet is increasingly playing a critical role in economic development specifically in facilitating international trade.
The economic issues therefore basically relate to the framework that makes e-commerce possible. The participation of developing countries in e-commerce is limited by the lack the appropriate legislation, authentication technologies and electronic payment methods. The main limitation however is the lack of appropriate legislation that is essential in the protection of consumers in relation to confidentiality, misleading advertising and delivery of faulty products.
In your view, who should be responsible for protection of the consumer in light of the fact that the national legislation may be faced with the limitation of jurisdiction? Given that mobile services are available to the majority, should developing countries concentrate their efforts in enabling m-commerce to overcome the challenges of e-commerce? What private sector initiatives are there in e-commerce particularly in e-Payments?
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Kind regards Mwende
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Who should be responsible: I (still) suggest a regulator, supported by requisite legislation. Trust, Confidence need to be created for e-comm to thrive. I do not think developing countries can afford to move in a direction different from the rest of the world - one - because they do not make up a substantial market of their own and - two - they greatly depend on the first world. As has been said in the past, for e-commerce to thrive, there is need for trusted systems to exist, starting from CAs all the way to Governance structures supported by legislation. How about politics? All economies need to have (strong democratic) political structures in place. Economics in the third world is dependent on politics, so having national legislation that may not be respected by governments may not make it any easier. Sylvester From: kictanet-bounces+skisonzo=gmail.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+skisonzo=gmail.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of mwende njiraini Sent: 19 August 2008 11:27 To: skisonzo@gmail.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 7 of 10:-IGF Discussion, Economic Issues I agree, there is definitely a link between economics and interconnection. For example, mobile operators have networks spanning across East and Southern Africa enabling users to communicate without incurring roaming charges thus encouraging commercial activity. Interconnection of telecommunication networks is supported by ongoing efforts to harmonize regulatory requirements in the region. This is a great accomplishment considering that Europe has over a long time battled with the introduction of roaming regulation. Though there are distinct differences between mobile and the internet interconnection, what is the limitation in providing connectivity been IXPs existing in the COMESA, EAC and SADC trading blocks? References: 1. The roaming regulation Available at: http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/activities/roaming/regulation/index_ en.htm [Accessed August 2008] Disclaimer: These comments are the author's own On 8/19/08, Michuki Mwangi <michuki@swiftkenya.com> wrote: Hi all, Well just to add on to this debate. We have various trading blocks - EAC, COMESA etc. I dont have the data on how much we trade against each of this blocks - but i would imagine that the level of trade carried out between the regions is almost equal to the amount of communications that is conducted amongst the trading parties. If thats the case, what role should Governments, regulators etc play in ensuring that communications between the various trading blocks is efficient and cost effective i.e almost as the cost of local services. IMHO this would go a long way in reducing the amount of dependence on international connectivity for regional traffic. - This may as well be a point to review on the interconnection issue - but i sort of see the relationship between the economics and interconnection. Regards, Michuki. mwende njiraini wrote: Morning!! Thank you all for your contribution to various aspects of internet governance. Today we start our discussions on economic issues. The internet is increasingly playing a critical role in economic development specifically in facilitating international trade. The economic issues therefore basically relate to the framework that makes e-commerce possible. The participation of developing countries in e-commerce is limited by the lack the appropriate legislation, authentication technologies and electronic payment methods. The main limitation however is the lack of appropriate legislation that is essential in the protection of consumers in relation to confidentiality, misleading advertising and delivery of faulty products. In your view, who should be responsible for protection of the consumer in light of the fact that the national legislation may be faced with the limitation of jurisdiction? Given that mobile services are available to the majority, should developing countries concentrate their efforts in enabling m-commerce to overcome the challenges of e-commerce? What private sector initiatives are there in e-commerce particularly in e-Payments? Looking forward to hearing from you. Kind regards Mwende Disclaimer: These comments are the author's own ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: michuki@swiftkenya.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/michuki%40swiftkenya.co m
Sylvester, There is, Kenya ICT Consumer Association, with Alex Gakuru as the Chairman....what am not sure of, is whether...its a lobby group or an established office that has been ignored and needs to be recognised and given powers to perfom the tasks that you mention. On the political end....I wish we could be able to separate development and politics.....but since we cant....when we vote...lets not go for euphoria....lets select leaders who are "with It". Kind Regards, On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Sylvester Kisonzo <skisonzo@securenet.co.ke
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Who should be responsible: I (still) suggest a regulator, supported by requisite legislation. Trust, Confidence need to be created for e-comm to thrive. I do not think developing countries can afford to move in a direction different from the rest of the world – one – because they do not make up a substantial market of their own and – two – they greatly depend on the first world. As has been said in the past, for e-commerce to thrive, there is need for trusted systems to exist, starting from CAs all the way to Governance structures supported by legislation.
How about politics? All economies need to have (strong democratic) political structures in place. Economics in the third world is dependent on politics, so having national legislation that may not be respected by governments may not make it any easier.
Sylvester
*From:* kictanet-bounces+skisonzo=gmail.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto: kictanet-bounces+skisonzo <kictanet-bounces%2Bskisonzo>=gmail.com@ lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *mwende njiraini *Sent:* 19 August 2008 11:27 *To:* skisonzo@gmail.com *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Day 7 of 10:-IGF Discussion, Economic Issues
I agree, there is definitely a link between economics and interconnection. For example, mobile operators have networks spanning across East and Southern Africa enabling users to communicate without incurring roaming charges thus encouraging commercial activity.
Interconnection of telecommunication networks is supported by ongoing efforts to harmonize regulatory requirements in the region. This is a great accomplishment considering that Europe has over a long time battled with the introduction of roaming regulation. Though there are distinct differences between mobile and the internet interconnection, what is the limitation in providing connectivity been IXPs existing in the COMESA, EAC and SADC trading blocks?
References:
1. The roaming regulation Available at: http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/activities/roaming/regulation/index_en.htm[Accessed August 2008]
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On 8/19/08, *Michuki Mwangi* <michuki@swiftkenya.com> wrote:
Hi all,
Well just to add on to this debate. We have various trading blocks - EAC, COMESA etc. I dont have the data on how much we trade against each of this blocks - but i would imagine that the level of trade carried out between the regions is almost equal to the amount of communications that is conducted amongst the trading parties. If thats the case, what role should Governments, regulators etc play in ensuring that communications between the various trading blocks is efficient and cost effective i.e almost as the cost of local services. IMHO this would go a long way in reducing the amount of dependence on international connectivity for regional traffic. - This may as well be a point to review on the interconnection issue - but i sort of see the relationship between the economics and interconnection.
Regards,
Michuki.
mwende njiraini wrote:
Morning!!
Thank you all for your contribution to various aspects of internet governance. Today we start our discussions on economic issues. The internet is increasingly playing a critical role in economic development specifically in facilitating international trade.
The economic issues therefore basically relate to the framework that makes e-commerce possible. The participation of developing countries in e-commerce is limited by the lack the appropriate legislation, authentication technologies and electronic payment methods. The main limitation however is the lack of appropriate legislation that is essential in the protection of consumers in relation to confidentiality, misleading advertising and delivery of faulty products.
In your view, who should be responsible for protection of the consumer in light of the fact that the national legislation may be faced with the limitation of jurisdiction? Given that mobile services are available to the majority, should developing countries concentrate their efforts in enabling m-commerce to overcome the challenges of e-commerce? What private sector initiatives are there in e-commerce particularly in e-Payments?
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Kind regards Mwende
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On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 8:21 AM, mwende njiraini <mwende.njiraini@gmail.com>wrote:
What private sector initiatives are there in e-commerce particularly in e-Payments?
http://www.mobilepay.i360microsystems.com/shop.php I am sure Per-Erick will fill up the details on how far they have gone with this.
Mwende, Sorry for being a day behind - better late than never? My contribution in e/m-commerce follows. i) eCommerce in developed economies is hinged on elaborate eLegislation, Regulation and Infrastructure(Certificate Authorities). I think as a country we score zero on all of the above. I really wish I could get a hold of the current ICT bill, those who have seen it claim it covers some of these areas. It is widely acknowledged that developed economies will not extend their digital payment services into our markets without us addressing the above three issues. ii) mCommerce. I think here we are the leaders - thanks to Safaricom and Zain (formerly Celltel). But these MPesa-related products continue to operate in what Dr. Sihanya, the innovative lawyer and his learned friends would call a legal lacuna. All is good upto when a dispute arises. And with all the raging mobile phone SMS spamming, there will be many disputes arising. Why cant we formulate the model laws for mobile commerce (MPESA related) and export that at an international level (Oops, I heard somewhere that our good UK partners in Safaricom may have somewhat beaten us to that - at least on the trademark bit, not sure though) Anyhow, the point is, if we are unable to see the global nature of our local situations, the more we are likely to lose out. walu. --- On Tue, 8/19/08, mwende njiraini <mwende.njiraini@gmail.com> wrote:
From: mwende njiraini <mwende.njiraini@gmail.com> Subject: [kictanet] Day 7 of 10:-IGF Discussion, Economic Issues To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 9:21 AM Morning!!
Thank you all for your contribution to various aspects of internet governance. Today we start our discussions on economic issues. The internet is increasingly playing a critical role in economic development specifically in facilitating international trade.
The economic issues therefore basically relate to the framework that makes e-commerce possible. The participation of developing countries in e-commerce is limited by the lack the appropriate legislation, authentication technologies and electronic payment methods. The main limitation however is the lack of appropriate legislation that is essential in the protection of consumers in relation to confidentiality, misleading advertising and delivery of faulty products.
In your view, who should be responsible for protection of the consumer in light of the fact that the national legislation may be faced with the limitation of jurisdiction? Given that mobile services are available to the majority, should developing countries concentrate their efforts in enabling m-commerce to overcome the challenges of e-commerce? What private sector initiatives are there in e-commerce particularly in e-Payments?
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Kind regards Mwende
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participants (6)
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Bill Kagai -
John Walubengo -
Judy Okite -
Michuki Mwangi -
mwende njiraini -
Sylvester Kisonzo