Re: [kictanet] Gambia Shuts Down the Internet
With all due respect to declarations and statements, I think non-binding norms and principles are very limited in preventing technical decisions in domestic places. Much more needs to be done on the technical front to make Internet shutdowns as expensive as possible to governments. If a significant number of people are able to circumvent a partial shutdown, governments would reconsider their decisions since they lose economically with no political ends attained - in this case preventing people to assemble and organize online. Declarations help immensely to shape the long term debate but I don’t ever remember any government that failed to act on a shutdown directive because International law says so. --- Moses.
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From: Joash Moitui <joash.moitui@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Gambia Shuts Down the Internet Date: 5 December 2016 at 06:36:17 EAT To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Dear all,
As part of the civil society practicum participants in the Afrisig 2016, our first statement called for a complete denunciation of the internet shutdowns. But as we progressed on the final statement, we realized that hardline positions taken by every multi-stakeholder groups only meant that discussions couldn't proceed further. Concessions had to be made to make this joint statement a reality and this is the situation in actual 'real life' situations and negotiations that involve multi-stakeholder groups, be it in IG, climate change talks and even international trade negotiations.
Please see attached the civil society 'hardline' statement before concessions were made.
warm regards,
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On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 5:09 AM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Hi Ali,
Easy :-).
It was a consensus document by students learning Internet Governance. And the consensus was reached because participants were made to stay up until 1am (It happens in real life anyway). So some gave up so that they can catch up with their sleep. Just that you know, those who played the role of government and put that clause allowing "some shutdowns" were actually civil society practitioners in real life :)
Have you ever noticed how people change when they get into government? They literally wear a different cap. Like the reminders being sent on the list requesting some information from government. It's like asking for blood donation from a housefly.
Regards
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On 5 December 2016 at 05:44, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke <mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke>> wrote: Mwendwa
Thanks for sharing this. I'm of the hardline stance. No Internet Shutdowns. Period. Let me share some excerpts:-
We also recognize that there are cases when Internet shutdowns are a means to ensuring the wellbeing of citizens, such as during cyber attacks from outside the country, military attacks and terrorist activity. We recommend that the independent national multistakeholder commissions on Internet Shutdowns be guided by the following: National security and public order Transparency & accountability Freedom of Expression and Access to Information Necessity & proportionality
We are just opening the door to a slippery slop of legitimizing such actions. Can you imagine a Government in Africa calling 'Mulit-Stakeholders' together to determine a shutdown? You will just have a bunch of rubber stumpers trooping to 'Government House' to lend their hand.
We stand a snowball's chance in hell before that happens. Having said that I do appreciate the efforts that have gone into this and commend all the players who were involved in drafting this. If nothing else it will continue to highlight the risks we continue to face.
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On 4 Dec 2016, at 10:00 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote:
Speaking of declarations Grace Mutung'u,
The African School on Internet Governance (AFRISIG) class of 2016, in their practicum came up with a statement on Internet shutdown. All stakeholder groups, including Government, Civil Society, Academia, Business, and Technical community agreed that the statement was balanced http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/statement-on-an-intentional-internet-shutdow... <http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/statement-on-an-intentional-internet-shutdown/>
It took 4 days to produce the statement through wider consultations and consensus building. Probably this is a statement that can be expounded upon.
Regards
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On 3 December 2016 at 21:39, Grace Mutung'u via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Poncelet, Thank you for sharing. I cannot imagine the effect of a 52 hour complete and deliberate shutdown. We are glad to have you back online. Welcome back! I agree with you that we must continue to promote the African Declaration, now more than ever. Incidentally, I have not come across any pronouncements by the African Union on this matter of Internet shutdowns. Have you? Regards,
PS: The African Declaration is here: http://africaninternetrights.org/ <http://africaninternetrights.org/>
2016-12-03 17:24 GMT+03:00 Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>>: Poncelet
Congratulations to all in The Gambia. And to the incumbent for accepting the defeat even with the shut down he initiated.
One other thing..We can actually calculate the cost of Internet Shutdowns. Last year countries lost $2.4 billion. See link:-
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/intenet-shutdowns-v-3.p... <https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/intenet-shutdowns-v-3.pdf>
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On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Poncelet Ileleji via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Hi Grace,
It was 52 Hours complete shutdown starting 8"08pm on election eve on the 30th of Nov and it was officially announced on TV that it was going to be down no secret about it,International Lines cut off too later local SMS weas also cut off, we came back online 12:30pm yesterday coincidentally after the incumbent had conceded defeat to the Coalition flag bearer ending 22 years of his rule.
We need to promote more and more the African Declaration of Internet rights so our leaders know it matters in the true sense of the word the economic loss alone, we cant quantify, the joy here in the Gambia its basically the digital natives those born after the outgoing leader came to power 1994 that basically voted him out,
Well enjoy the weekend, have loads to say, but will talk later on this.
Kind Regards
Poncelet
On 2 December 2016 at 01:06, Grace Mutung'u via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Listers, Internet shutdowns are almost becoming a part of African elections and reports indicate that Gambia has taken this step ahead of elections tomorrow. With an added twist- calls also seem to be blocked.
A few months ago we discussed the Ugandan shutdown where we went at length into the techniques employed, including electricity blackouts. With our own elections round the corner, a few questions:
Is anyone concerned that Kenya may also have a shutdown come elections? In the (hopefully hypothetical) case that we had a shutdown, who would effect it? ISPs? MNOs? Kenya Power? And who would give the orders? The Government? The Regulator?
Hoping that these are just hypothetical musings.
Grace
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Any truth in the rumour that GoK is building a facility to help it do exactly that (shut down internet and/or social media if need be, monitor social media and online spaces, etc) during the 2017 election season at the Embakasi Garrison? Ominous! Edwin Kiama Thoughts become things... choose the good ones! *-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------**Social Justice Entrepreneur, Human Rights Defender, * *#DevolutionIsRevolution Champion* *The Wanjiku Agenda Kenya Foundation (WAKenya)*Ordinary, fearless Kenyans. https://www.facebook.com/wanjikurevolutionkenya https://twitter.com/WanjikuRevolt https://plus.google.com/u/1/+WanjikuMapinduzi/posts http://www.scribd.com/wmkenya "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." *~Margaret Mead* On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Mose Karanja via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
With all due respect to declarations and statements, I think non-binding norms and principles are very limited in preventing technical decisions in domestic places. Much more needs to be done on the technical front to make Internet shutdowns as expensive as possible to governments. If a significant number of people are able to circumvent a partial shutdown, governments would reconsider their decisions since they lose economically with no political ends attained - in this case preventing people to assemble and organize online.
Declarations help immensely to shape the long term debate but I don’t ever remember any government that failed to act on a shutdown directive because International law says so.
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*From: *Joash Moitui <joash.moitui@gmail.com> *Subject: **Re: [kictanet] Gambia Shuts Down the Internet* *Date: *5 December 2016 at 06:36:17 EAT *To: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Dear all,
As part of the civil society practicum participants in the Afrisig 2016, our first statement called for a complete denunciation of the internet shutdowns. But as we progressed on the final statement, we realized that hardline positions taken by every multi-stakeholder groups only meant that discussions couldn't proceed further. Concessions had to be made to make this joint statement a reality and this is the situation in actual 'real life' situations and negotiations that involve multi-stakeholder groups, be it in IG, climate change talks and even international trade negotiations.
Please see attached the civil society 'hardline' statement before concessions were made.
warm regards,
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On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 5:09 AM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Ali,
Easy :-).
It was a consensus document by students learning Internet Governance. And the consensus was reached because participants were made to stay up until 1am (It happens in real life anyway). So some gave up so that they can catch up with their sleep. Just that you know, those who played the role of government and put that clause allowing "some shutdowns" were actually civil society practitioners in real life :)
Have you ever noticed how people change when they get into government? They literally wear a different cap. Like the reminders being sent on the list requesting some information from government. It's like asking for blood donation from a housefly.
Regards
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh
On 5 December 2016 at 05:44, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Mwendwa
Thanks for sharing this. I'm of the hardline stance. No Internet Shutdowns. Period. Let me share some excerpts:-
1. We also recognize that there are cases when Internet shutdowns are a means to ensuring the wellbeing of citizens, such as during cyber attacks from outside the country, military attacks and terrorist activity.
1. We recommend that the independent national multistakeholder commissions on Internet Shutdowns be guided by the following:
- National security and public order - Transparency & accountability - Freedom of Expression and Access to Information - Necessity & proportionality
We are just opening the door to a slippery slop of legitimizing such actions. Can you imagine a Government in Africa calling 'Mulit-Stakeholders' together to determine a shutdown? You will just have a bunch of rubber stumpers trooping to 'Government House' to lend their hand.
We stand a snowball's chance in hell before that happens. Having said that I do appreciate the efforts that have gone into this and commend all the players who were involved in drafting this. If nothing else it will continue to highlight the risks we continue to face.
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On 4 Dec 2016, at 10:00 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Speaking of declarations Grace Mutung'u,
The African School on Internet Governance (AFRISIG) class of 2016, in their practicum came up with a statement on Internet shutdown. All stakeholder groups, including Government, Civil Society, Academia, Business, and Technical community agreed that the statement was balanced http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/statement-on-an-int entional-internet-shutdown/
It took 4 days to produce the statement through wider consultations and consensus building. Probably this is a statement that can be expounded upon.
Regards
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On 3 December 2016 at 21:39, Grace Mutung'u via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Poncelet, Thank you for sharing. I cannot imagine the effect of a 52 hour complete and deliberate shutdown. We are glad to have you back online. Welcome back! I agree with you that we must continue to promote the African Declaration, now more than ever. Incidentally, I have not come across any pronouncements by the African Union on this matter of Internet shutdowns. Have you? Regards,
PS: The African Declaration is here: http://africaninternetrights.org/
2016-12-03 17:24 GMT+03:00 Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>:
Poncelet
Congratulations to all in The Gambia. And to the incumbent for accepting the defeat even with the shut down he initiated.
One other thing..We can actually calculate the cost of Internet Shutdowns. Last year countries lost $2.4 billion. See link:-
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/intenet -shutdowns-v-3.pdf
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On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Poncelet Ileleji via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Grace,
It was 52 Hours complete shutdown starting 8"08pm on election eve on the 30th of Nov and it was officially announced on TV that it was going to be down no secret about it,International Lines cut off too later local SMS weas also cut off, we came back online 12:30pm yesterday coincidentally after the incumbent had conceded defeat to the Coalition flag bearer ending 22 years of his rule.
We need to promote more and more the African Declaration of Internet rights so our leaders know it matters in the true sense of the word the economic loss alone, we cant quantify, the joy here in the Gambia its basically the digital natives those born after the outgoing leader came to power 1994 that basically voted him out,
Well enjoy the weekend, have loads to say, but will talk later on this.
Kind Regards
Poncelet
On 2 December 2016 at 01:06, Grace Mutung'u via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> Listers, > Internet shutdowns are almost becoming a part of African elections > and reports indicate that Gambia has taken this step ahead of elections > tomorrow. With an added twist- calls also seem to be blocked. > > A few months ago we discussed the Ugandan shutdown where we went at > length into the techniques employed, including electricity blackouts. With > our own elections round the corner, a few questions: > > Is anyone concerned that Kenya may also have a shutdown come > elections? > In the (hopefully hypothetical) case that we had a shutdown, who > would effect it? ISPs? MNOs? Kenya Power? > And who would give the orders? The Government? The Regulator? > > Hoping that these are just hypothetical musings. > > Grace > > -- > Grace L.N. Mutung'u > Nairobi Kenya > Skype: gracebomu > Twitter: @Bomu > > <http://www.diplointernetgovernance.org/profile/GraceMutungu> > > PGP ID : 0x33A3450F > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m > ailman/options/kictanet/pileleji%40ymca.gm > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder > platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy > and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable > behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and > bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect > privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >
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Sounds unlikely.
From a practical point of view, to 'shut down' internet access would require:
(1) Telling all ISPs to switch off (is there any legal basis for doing so which would require them to comply??) (2) Gaining physical access to KIXP, and switching off (which would stop inter-ISP local traffic) (3) Gaining physical access to cable landing stations, and switching off (which would (mostly) cut us off from the rest of the world) I would guess the largest partial shut down (ie. affecting the greatest number of users) could be achieved by telling Safaricom to shut down data services, and then progressively other ISPs in order of their client base. Then there are those using VSAT services - much harder (but not impossible) to shut down. Monitoring? -- Yes, but can be done from anywhere - unlikely that Embakasi would be chosen. I have no knowledge of the veracity of the 'rumour' - but I think it is just that: a rumour - with no basis in fact ;) Cheers, Tony On 05/12/2016, Mutemi wa Kiama via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Any truth in the rumour that GoK is building a facility to help it do exactly that (shut down internet and/or social media if need be, monitor social media and online spaces, etc) during the 2017 election season at the Embakasi Garrison? Ominous!
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On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Mose Karanja via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
With all due respect to declarations and statements, I think non-binding norms and principles are very limited in preventing technical decisions in domestic places. Much more needs to be done on the technical front to make Internet shutdowns as expensive as possible to governments. If a significant number of people are able to circumvent a partial shutdown, governments would reconsider their decisions since they lose economically with no political ends attained - in this case preventing people to assemble and organize online.
Declarations help immensely to shape the long term debate but I don’t ever remember any government that failed to act on a shutdown directive because International law says so.
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Dear all,
As part of the civil society practicum participants in the Afrisig 2016, our first statement called for a complete denunciation of the internet shutdowns. But as we progressed on the final statement, we realized that hardline positions taken by every multi-stakeholder groups only meant that discussions couldn't proceed further. Concessions had to be made to make this joint statement a reality and this is the situation in actual 'real life' situations and negotiations that involve multi-stakeholder groups, be it in IG, climate change talks and even international trade negotiations.
Please see attached the civil society 'hardline' statement before concessions were made.
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On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 5:09 AM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Ali,
Easy :-).
It was a consensus document by students learning Internet Governance. And the consensus was reached because participants were made to stay up until 1am (It happens in real life anyway). So some gave up so that they can catch up with their sleep. Just that you know, those who played the role of government and put that clause allowing "some shutdowns" were actually civil society practitioners in real life :)
Have you ever noticed how people change when they get into government? They literally wear a different cap. Like the reminders being sent on the list requesting some information from government. It's like asking for blood donation from a housefly.
Regards
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On 5 December 2016 at 05:44, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Mwendwa
Thanks for sharing this. I'm of the hardline stance. No Internet Shutdowns. Period. Let me share some excerpts:-
1. We also recognize that there are cases when Internet shutdowns are a means to ensuring the wellbeing of citizens, such as during cyber attacks from outside the country, military attacks and terrorist activity.
1. We recommend that the independent national multistakeholder commissions on Internet Shutdowns be guided by the following:
- National security and public order - Transparency & accountability - Freedom of Expression and Access to Information - Necessity & proportionality
We are just opening the door to a slippery slop of legitimizing such actions. Can you imagine a Government in Africa calling 'Mulit-Stakeholders' together to determine a shutdown? You will just have a bunch of rubber stumpers trooping to 'Government House' to lend their hand.
We stand a snowball's chance in hell before that happens. Having said that I do appreciate the efforts that have gone into this and commend all the players who were involved in drafting this. If nothing else it will continue to highlight the risks we continue to face.
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On 4 Dec 2016, at 10:00 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Speaking of declarations Grace Mutung'u,
The African School on Internet Governance (AFRISIG) class of 2016, in their practicum came up with a statement on Internet shutdown. All stakeholder groups, including Government, Civil Society, Academia, Business, and Technical community agreed that the statement was balanced http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/statement-on-an-int entional-internet-shutdown/
It took 4 days to produce the statement through wider consultations and consensus building. Probably this is a statement that can be expounded upon.
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On 3 December 2016 at 21:39, Grace Mutung'u via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Poncelet, Thank you for sharing. I cannot imagine the effect of a 52 hour complete and deliberate shutdown. We are glad to have you back online. Welcome back! I agree with you that we must continue to promote the African Declaration, now more than ever. Incidentally, I have not come across any pronouncements by the African Union on this matter of Internet shutdowns. Have you? Regards,
PS: The African Declaration is here: http://africaninternetrights.org/
2016-12-03 17:24 GMT+03:00 Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>:
Poncelet
Congratulations to all in The Gambia. And to the incumbent for accepting the defeat even with the shut down he initiated.
One other thing..We can actually calculate the cost of Internet Shutdowns. Last year countries lost $2.4 billion. See link:-
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/intenet -shutdowns-v-3.pdf
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On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Poncelet Ileleji via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> Hi Grace, > > It was 52 Hours complete shutdown starting 8"08pm on election eve on > the 30th of Nov and it was officially announced on TV that it was > going to > be down no secret about it,International Lines cut off too later > local SMS > weas also cut off, we came back online 12:30pm yesterday > coincidentally > after the incumbent had conceded defeat to the Coalition flag bearer > ending > 22 years of his rule. > > We need to promote more and more the African Declaration of > Internet > rights so our leaders know it matters in the true sense of the word > the > economic loss alone, we cant quantify, the joy here in the Gambia > its > basically the digital natives those born after the outgoing leader > came to > power 1994 that basically voted him out, > > Well enjoy the weekend, have loads to say, but will talk later on > this. > > Kind Regards > > Poncelet > > On 2 December 2016 at 01:06, Grace Mutung'u via kictanet < > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > >> Listers, >> Internet shutdowns are almost becoming a part of African elections >> and reports indicate that Gambia has taken this step ahead of >> elections >> tomorrow. With an added twist- calls also seem to be blocked. >> >> A few months ago we discussed the Ugandan shutdown where we went at >> length into the techniques employed, including electricity >> blackouts. With >> our own elections round the corner, a few questions: >> >> Is anyone concerned that Kenya may also have a shutdown come >> elections? >> In the (hopefully hypothetical) case that we had a shutdown, who >> would effect it? ISPs? MNOs? Kenya Power? >> And who would give the orders? The Government? The Regulator? >> >> Hoping that these are just hypothetical musings. >> >> Grace >> >> -- >> Grace L.N. Mutung'u >> Nairobi Kenya >> Skype: gracebomu >> Twitter: @Bomu >> >> <http://www.diplointernetgovernance.org/profile/GraceMutungu> >> >> PGP ID : 0x33A3450F >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke >> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m >> ailman/options/kictanet/pileleji%40ymca.gm >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder >> platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT >> policy >> and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in >> the ICT >> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and >> development. >> >> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable >> behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's >> times and >> bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, >> respect >> privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >> > > > > -- > Poncelet O. Ileleji MBCS > Coordinator > The Gambia YMCAs Computer Training Centre & Digital Studio > MDI Road Kanifing South > P. O. Box 421 Banjul > The Gambia, West Africa > Tel: (220) 4370240 <(220)%20437-0240> > Fax:(220) 4390793 <(220)%20439-0793> > Cell:(220) 9912508 <(220)%20991-2508> > Skype: pons_utd > > > > > > > *www.ymca.gm <http://www.ymca.gm/>http://jokkolabs.net/en/ > <http://jokkolabs.net/en/>www.waigf.org > <http://www.waigf.org/>www,insistglobal.com > <http://www.itag.gm/>www.npoc.org > <http://www.npoc.org/>http://www.wsa-mobile.org/node/753 > <http://www.wsa-mobile.org/node/753>*www.diplointernetgovernance.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m > ailman/options/kictanet/info%40alyhussein.com > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder > platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT > policy > and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in > the ICT > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and > development. > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable > behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times > and > bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, > respect > privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >
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Hi Mose, What about technically savvy governments, hardware and systems are never an issue people are? whenever the US President is in town, it is normal for signals to be jammed from a security stand point, for some reason this has been legitimized yet it is equivalent to the shutdowns, we should not wish away the immense authority governments wield through relevant agencies. We should devise ways of engaging them in a language they understand otherwise this issue might be here to stay. For there to be leadership in Kenya after 24 years the cock swallowed the tractor forgetting the engine was running, the rest is history, let us think out of the box on this matter. Regards On 12/5/16, Mose Karanja via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
With all due respect to declarations and statements, I think non-binding norms and principles are very limited in preventing technical decisions in domestic places. Much more needs to be done on the technical front to make Internet shutdowns as expensive as possible to governments. If a significant number of people are able to circumvent a partial shutdown, governments would reconsider their decisions since they lose economically with no political ends attained - in this case preventing people to assemble and organize online.
Declarations help immensely to shape the long term debate but I don’t ever remember any government that failed to act on a shutdown directive because International law says so.
--- Moses.
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Dear all,
As part of the civil society practicum participants in the Afrisig 2016, our first statement called for a complete denunciation of the internet shutdowns. But as we progressed on the final statement, we realized that hardline positions taken by every multi-stakeholder groups only meant that discussions couldn't proceed further. Concessions had to be made to make this joint statement a reality and this is the situation in actual 'real life' situations and negotiations that involve multi-stakeholder groups, be it in IG, climate change talks and even international trade negotiations.
Please see attached the civil society 'hardline' statement before concessions were made.
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On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 5:09 AM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Hi Ali,
Easy :-).
It was a consensus document by students learning Internet Governance. And the consensus was reached because participants were made to stay up until 1am (It happens in real life anyway). So some gave up so that they can catch up with their sleep. Just that you know, those who played the role of government and put that clause allowing "some shutdowns" were actually civil society practitioners in real life :)
Have you ever noticed how people change when they get into government? They literally wear a different cap. Like the reminders being sent on the list requesting some information from government. It's like asking for blood donation from a housefly.
Regards
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On 5 December 2016 at 05:44, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke <mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke>> wrote: Mwendwa
Thanks for sharing this. I'm of the hardline stance. No Internet Shutdowns. Period. Let me share some excerpts:-
We also recognize that there are cases when Internet shutdowns are a means to ensuring the wellbeing of citizens, such as during cyber attacks from outside the country, military attacks and terrorist activity. We recommend that the independent national multistakeholder commissions on Internet Shutdowns be guided by the following: National security and public order Transparency & accountability Freedom of Expression and Access to Information Necessity & proportionality
We are just opening the door to a slippery slop of legitimizing such actions. Can you imagine a Government in Africa calling 'Mulit-Stakeholders' together to determine a shutdown? You will just have a bunch of rubber stumpers trooping to 'Government House' to lend their hand.
We stand a snowball's chance in hell before that happens. Having said that I do appreciate the efforts that have gone into this and commend all the players who were involved in drafting this. If nothing else it will continue to highlight the risks we continue to face.
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On 4 Dec 2016, at 10:00 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote:
Speaking of declarations Grace Mutung'u,
The African School on Internet Governance (AFRISIG) class of 2016, in their practicum came up with a statement on Internet shutdown. All stakeholder groups, including Government, Civil Society, Academia, Business, and Technical community agreed that the statement was balanced http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/statement-on-an-intentional-internet-shutdow... <http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/statement-on-an-intentional-internet-shutdown/>
It took 4 days to produce the statement through wider consultations and consensus building. Probably this is a statement that can be expounded upon.
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On 3 December 2016 at 21:39, Grace Mutung'u via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Poncelet, Thank you for sharing. I cannot imagine the effect of a 52 hour complete and deliberate shutdown. We are glad to have you back online. Welcome back! I agree with you that we must continue to promote the African Declaration, now more than ever. Incidentally, I have not come across any pronouncements by the African Union on this matter of Internet shutdowns. Have you? Regards,
PS: The African Declaration is here: http://africaninternetrights.org/ <http://africaninternetrights.org/>
2016-12-03 17:24 GMT+03:00 Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>>: Poncelet
Congratulations to all in The Gambia. And to the incumbent for accepting the defeat even with the shut down he initiated.
One other thing..We can actually calculate the cost of Internet Shutdowns. Last year countries lost $2.4 billion. See link:-
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/intenet-shutdowns-v-3.p... <https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/intenet-shutdowns-v-3.pdf>
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On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Poncelet Ileleji via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Hi Grace,
It was 52 Hours complete shutdown starting 8"08pm on election eve on the 30th of Nov and it was officially announced on TV that it was going to be down no secret about it,International Lines cut off too later local SMS weas also cut off, we came back online 12:30pm yesterday coincidentally after the incumbent had conceded defeat to the Coalition flag bearer ending 22 years of his rule.
We need to promote more and more the African Declaration of Internet rights so our leaders know it matters in the true sense of the word the economic loss alone, we cant quantify, the joy here in the Gambia its basically the digital natives those born after the outgoing leader came to power 1994 that basically voted him out,
Well enjoy the weekend, have loads to say, but will talk later on this.
Kind Regards
Poncelet
On 2 December 2016 at 01:06, Grace Mutung'u via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Listers, Internet shutdowns are almost becoming a part of African elections and reports indicate that Gambia has taken this step ahead of elections tomorrow. With an added twist- calls also seem to be blocked.
A few months ago we discussed the Ugandan shutdown where we went at length into the techniques employed, including electricity blackouts. With our own elections round the corner, a few questions:
Is anyone concerned that Kenya may also have a shutdown come elections? In the (hopefully hypothetical) case that we had a shutdown, who would effect it? ISPs? MNOs? Kenya Power? And who would give the orders? The Government? The Regulator?
Hoping that these are just hypothetical musings.
Grace
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