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http://www.internetgovernance.org/2013/10/11/the-core-internet-institutions-... Badru Ntege Sent from my Mobile
Badru Thanks for sharing. Long overdue. I'm surprised it took this long.. It will definitely be interesting to watch what goes on in the next few months/years as ICANN and other members of the community that makes the Internet work continue to exert their independence from any one particular government. We must however be vigilant and ensure that we do not throw the baby with the bath water. Some may not agree with me but I'd rather the US exert influence on International Internet Governance than see the emergence of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Russia, China and their ilk do so.. I'm just saying.. Ali Hussein +254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113 "Kujikwaa si kuanguka, bali ni kwenda mbele" (To stumble is not to fall but a sign of going forward) - Swahili Proverb Sent from my iPad
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Ali The problem is that influence is about moral authority and right now the revelations have seriously affected that authority. We cannot keep calling out others on governance issues when we are the biggest abusers. The US have allot of work to do unless we legitimize what they did and then have a new acceptable standard. Regards Badru Ntege Sent from my Mobile On 13 Oct 2013, at 15:38, "Ali Hussein" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Badru Thanks for sharing. Long overdue. I'm surprised it took this long.. It will definitely be interesting to watch what goes on in the next few months/years as ICANN and other members of the community that makes the Internet work continue to exert their independence from any one particular government. We must however be vigilant and ensure that we do not throw the baby with the bath water. Some may not agree with me but I'd rather the US exert influence on International Internet Governance than see the emergence of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Russia, China and their ilk do so.. I'm just saying.. Ali Hussein +254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113 "Kujikwaa si kuanguka, bali ni kwenda mbele" (To stumble is not to fall but a sign of going forward) - Swahili Proverb Sent from my iPad On Oct 13, 2013, at 7:21 AM, Badru Ntege <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: http://www.internetgovernance.org/2013/10/11/the-core-internet-institutions-... Badru Ntege Sent from my Mobile _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/info%40alyhussein.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Badru True that..I see the issue thus:- 1. Don't be holier than though if behind the scenes you are abusing the same kind of freedoms you purport to champion. 2. Don't get caught :) 3. That Governments can't really be truly trusted to protect the very freedoms that we vote them in to protect. In today's world its a tough call with all the terrorism and craziness going on.. 4. Multi-Stakeholderism is still the best way to ultimately protect the freedoms that we enjoy. Ali Hussein +254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113 "Kujikwaa si kuanguka, bali ni kwenda mbele" (To stumble is not to fall but a sign of going forward) - Swahili Proverb Sent from my iPad
On Oct 13, 2013, at 5:46 PM, Badru Ntege <[email protected]> wrote:
Ali
The problem is that influence is about moral authority and right now the revelations have seriously affected that authority.
We cannot keep calling out others on governance issues when we are the biggest abusers. The US have allot of work to do unless we legitimize what they did and then have a new acceptable standard.
Regards
Badru Ntege Sent from my Mobile
On 13 Oct 2013, at 15:38, "Ali Hussein" <[email protected]> wrote:
Badru
Thanks for sharing. Long overdue. I'm surprised it took this long..
It will definitely be interesting to watch what goes on in the next few months/years as ICANN and other members of the community that makes the Internet work continue to exert their independence from any one particular government.
We must however be vigilant and ensure that we do not throw the baby with the bath water. Some may not agree with me but I'd rather the US exert influence on International Internet Governance than see the emergence of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Russia, China and their ilk do so..
I'm just saying..
Ali Hussein
+254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113
"Kujikwaa si kuanguka, bali ni kwenda mbele" (To stumble is not to fall but a sign of going forward) - Swahili Proverb
Sent from my iPad
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......there is nothing like an "idea" whose "time" has come. The coxiality between idea and time is able to orchestrate the forces of nature for the required manifestation and alas the verdict is out or shall we say still unfolding. Great week. Eric here Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2013, at 17:08, Ali Hussein <[email protected]> wrote:
Badru
True that..I see the issue thus:-
1. Don't be holier than though if behind the scenes you are abusing the same kind of freedoms you purport to champion.
2. Don't get caught :)
3. That Governments can't really be truly trusted to protect the very freedoms that we vote them in to protect. In today's world its a tough call with all the terrorism and craziness going on..
4. Multi-Stakeholderism is still the best way to ultimately protect the freedoms that we enjoy.
Ali Hussein
+254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113
"Kujikwaa si kuanguka, bali ni kwenda mbele" (To stumble is not to fall but a sign of going forward) - Swahili Proverb
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 13, 2013, at 5:46 PM, Badru Ntege <[email protected]> wrote:
Ali
The problem is that influence is about moral authority and right now the revelations have seriously affected that authority.
We cannot keep calling out others on governance issues when we are the biggest abusers. The US have allot of work to do unless we legitimize what they did and then have a new acceptable standard.
Regards
Badru Ntege Sent from my Mobile
On 13 Oct 2013, at 15:38, "Ali Hussein" <[email protected]> wrote:
Badru
Thanks for sharing. Long overdue. I'm surprised it took this long..
It will definitely be interesting to watch what goes on in the next few months/years as ICANN and other members of the community that makes the Internet work continue to exert their independence from any one particular government.
We must however be vigilant and ensure that we do not throw the baby with the bath water. Some may not agree with me but I'd rather the US exert influence on International Internet Governance than see the emergence of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Russia, China and their ilk do so..
I'm just saying..
Ali Hussein
+254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113
"Kujikwaa si kuanguka, bali ni kwenda mbele" (To stumble is not to fall but a sign of going forward) - Swahili Proverb
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 13, 2013, at 7:21 AM, Badru Ntege <[email protected]> wrote:
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@Badru, Ali et. al, I support the need to share the unilateral oversight control that the US enjoys over the internet - even though I doubt if it will come to pass in my lifetime :-) Moreover, I find the recent motivation for this multistakeholder approach (e.g. stop US spying) ill-informed. Am told Brazil is even going to the extend of building its own national email (yahoo) system, its own google, and maybe in future its own facebook, twitter, etc. Wherease this may satisfy national pride, it will not stop big brother US from spying on them or anybody else on this planet. Big brother is watching each of us from the air (drones, satellite, etc), from our offices (MS-Windows?), from our smartphones /tablets etc. Building your own "internet" will not stop spying but may instead balkanize the internet into geographic silos similar to what we have in the real world. Spying is a well developed constitutional right in most democracies including ours (remember National Intelligence Security and now "Nyumab Kumi Concept?). The best way to address big brother spying errands is - yes, to spy back on him. I think China is doing this quite well, watch him watching you :-) walu. -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 10/13/13, Eric Osiakwan <[email protected]> wrote: Subject: Re: [kictanet] The core Internet institutions abandon the US Government | IGP Blog To: [email protected] Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, October 13, 2013, 6:53 PM ......there is nothing like an "idea" whose "time" has come. The coxiality between idea and time is able to orchestrate the forces of nature for the required manifestation and alas the verdict is out or shall we say still unfolding. Great week. Eric here Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2013, at 17:08, Ali Hussein <[email protected]> wrote: Badru True that..I see the issue thus:- 1. Don't be holier than though if behind the scenes you are abusing the same kind of freedoms you purport to champion. 2. Don't get caught :) 3. That Governments can't really be truly trusted to protect the very freedoms that we vote them in to protect. In today's world its a tough call with all the terrorism and craziness going on.. 4. Multi-Stakeholderism is still the best way to ultimately protect the freedoms that we enjoy. Ali Hussein +254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113 "Kujikwaa si kuanguka, bali ni kwenda mbele" (To stumble is not to fall but a sign of going forward) - Swahili Proverb Sent from my iPad On Oct 13, 2013, at 5:46 PM, Badru Ntege <[email protected]> wrote: Ali The problem is that influence is about moral authority and right now the revelations have seriously affected that authority. We cannot keep calling out others on governance issues when we are the biggest abusers. The US have allot of work to do unless we legitimize what they did and then have a new acceptable standard. Regards Badru Ntege Sent from my Mobile On 13 Oct 2013, at 15:38, "Ali Hussein" <[email protected]> wrote: Badru Thanks for sharing. Long overdue. I'm surprised it took this long.. It will definitely be interesting to watch what goes on in the next few months/years as ICANN and other members of the community that makes the Internet work continue to exert their independence from any one particular government. We must however be vigilant and ensure that we do not throw the baby with the bath water. Some may not agree with me but I'd rather the US exert influence on International Internet Governance than see the emergence of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Russia, China and their ilk do so.. I'm just saying.. Ali Hussein +254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113 "Kujikwaa si kuanguka, bali ni kwenda mbele" (To stumble is not to fall but a sign of going forward) - Swahili Proverb Sent from my iPad On Oct 13, 2013, at 7:21 AM, Badru Ntege <[email protected]> wrote: http://www.internetgovernance.org/2013/10/11/the-core-internet-institutions-... Badru Ntege Sent from my Mobile _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/info%40alyhussein.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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ICANN works under direct mandate from the US Department of Commerce. It is not about to sideline itself from the US government anytime soon ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh On 14 October 2013 01:49, Walubengo J <[email protected]> wrote:
@Badru, Ali et. al,
I support the need to share the unilateral oversight control that the US enjoys over the internet - even though I doubt if it will come to pass in my lifetime :-)
Moreover, I find the recent motivation for this multistakeholder approach (e.g. stop US spying) ill-informed. Am told Brazil is even going to the extend of building its own national email (yahoo) system, its own google, and maybe in future its own facebook, twitter, etc. Wherease this may satisfy national pride, it will not stop big brother US from spying on them or anybody else on this planet.
Big brother is watching each of us from the air (drones, satellite, etc), from our offices (MS-Windows?), from our smartphones /tablets etc. Building your own "internet" will not stop spying but may instead balkanize the internet into geographic silos similar to what we have in the real world.
Spying is a well developed constitutional right in most democracies including ours (remember National Intelligence Security and now "Nyumab Kumi Concept?). The best way to address big brother spying errands is - yes, to spy back on him. I think China is doing this quite well, watch him watching you :-)
walu.
-------------------------------------------- On Sun, 10/13/13, Eric Osiakwan <[email protected]> wrote:
Subject: Re: [kictanet] The core Internet institutions abandon the US Government | IGP Blog To: [email protected] Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, October 13, 2013, 6:53 PM
......there is nothing like an "idea" whose "time" has come. The coxiality between idea and time is able to orchestrate the forces of nature for the required manifestation and alas the verdict is out or shall we say still unfolding. Great week. Eric here
Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2013, at 17:08, Ali Hussein <[email protected]> wrote:
Badru True that..I see the issue thus:- 1. Don't be holier than though if behind the scenes you are abusing the same kind of freedoms you purport to champion. 2. Don't get caught :) 3. That Governments can't really be truly trusted to protect the very freedoms that we vote them in to protect. In today's world its a tough call with all the terrorism and craziness going on.. 4. Multi-Stakeholderism is still the best way to ultimately protect the freedoms that we enjoy.
Ali Hussein +254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113 "Kujikwaa si kuanguka, bali ni kwenda mbele" (To stumble is not to fall but a sign of going forward) - Swahili Proverb Sent from my iPad On Oct 13, 2013, at 5:46 PM, Badru Ntege <[email protected]> wrote:
Ali
The problem is that influence is about moral authority and right now the revelations have seriously affected that authority.
We cannot keep calling out others on governance issues when we are the biggest abusers. The US have allot of work to do unless we legitimize what they did and then have a new acceptable standard.
Regards
Badru Ntege Sent from my Mobile
On 13 Oct 2013, at 15:38, "Ali Hussein" <[email protected]> wrote:
Badru
Thanks for sharing. Long overdue. I'm surprised it took this long..
It will definitely be interesting to watch what goes on in the next few months/years as ICANN and other members of the community that makes the Internet work continue to exert their independence from any one particular government.
We must however be vigilant and ensure that we do not throw the baby with the bath water. Some may not agree with me but I'd rather the US exert influence on International Internet Governance than see the emergence of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Russia, China and their ilk do so..
I'm just saying..
Ali Hussein
+254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113
"Kujikwaa si kuanguka, bali ni kwenda mbele" (To stumble is not to fall but a sign of going forward) - Swahili Proverb
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 13, 2013, at 7:21 AM, Badru Ntege <[email protected]> wrote:
http://www.internetgovernance.org/2013/10/11/the-core-internet-institutions-...
Badru Ntege
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Kivuva Looks like the CEO of ICANN is going rogue then...:) Ali Hussein +254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113 "Kujikwaa si kuanguka, bali ni kwenda mbele" (To stumble is not to fall but a sign of going forward) - Swahili Proverb Sent from my iPad
On Oct 14, 2013, at 2:15 PM, Kivuva <[email protected]> wrote:
ICANN works under direct mandate from the US Department of Commerce. It is not about to sideline itself from the US government anytime soon
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh
On 14 October 2013 01:49, Walubengo J <[email protected]> wrote: @Badru, Ali et. al,
I support the need to share the unilateral oversight control that the US enjoys over the internet - even though I doubt if it will come to pass in my lifetime :-)
Moreover, I find the recent motivation for this multistakeholder approach (e.g. stop US spying) ill-informed. Am told Brazil is even going to the extend of building its own national email (yahoo) system, its own google, and maybe in future its own facebook, twitter, etc. Wherease this may satisfy national pride, it will not stop big brother US from spying on them or anybody else on this planet.
Big brother is watching each of us from the air (drones, satellite, etc), from our offices (MS-Windows?), from our smartphones /tablets etc. Building your own "internet" will not stop spying but may instead balkanize the internet into geographic silos similar to what we have in the real world.
Spying is a well developed constitutional right in most democracies including ours (remember National Intelligence Security and now "Nyumab Kumi Concept?). The best way to address big brother spying errands is - yes, to spy back on him. I think China is doing this quite well, watch him watching you :-)
walu.
-------------------------------------------- On Sun, 10/13/13, Eric Osiakwan <[email protected]> wrote:
Subject: Re: [kictanet] The core Internet institutions abandon the US Government | IGP Blog To: [email protected] Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, October 13, 2013, 6:53 PM
......there is nothing like an "idea" whose "time" has come. The coxiality between idea and time is able to orchestrate the forces of nature for the required manifestation and alas the verdict is out or shall we say still unfolding. Great week. Eric here
Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2013, at 17:08, Ali Hussein <[email protected]> wrote:
Badru True that..I see the issue thus:- 1. Don't be holier than though if behind the scenes you are abusing the same kind of freedoms you purport to champion. 2. Don't get caught :) 3. That Governments can't really be truly trusted to protect the very freedoms that we vote them in to protect. In today's world its a tough call with all the terrorism and craziness going on.. 4. Multi-Stakeholderism is still the best way to ultimately protect the freedoms that we enjoy.
Ali Hussein +254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113 "Kujikwaa si kuanguka, bali ni kwenda mbele" (To stumble is not to fall but a sign of going forward) - Swahili Proverb Sent from my iPad On Oct 13, 2013, at 5:46 PM, Badru Ntege <[email protected]> wrote:
Ali
The problem is that influence is about moral authority and right now the revelations have seriously affected that authority.
We cannot keep calling out others on governance issues when we are the biggest abusers. The US have allot of work to do unless we legitimize what they did and then have a new acceptable standard.
Regards
Badru Ntege Sent from my Mobile
On 13 Oct 2013, at 15:38, "Ali Hussein" <[email protected]> wrote:
Badru
Thanks for sharing. Long overdue. I'm surprised it took this long..
It will definitely be interesting to watch what goes on in the next few months/years as ICANN and other members of the community that makes the Internet work continue to exert their independence from any one particular government.
We must however be vigilant and ensure that we do not throw the baby with the bath water. Some may not agree with me but I'd rather the US exert influence on International Internet Governance than see the emergence of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Russia, China and their ilk do so..
I'm just saying..
Ali Hussein
+254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113
"Kujikwaa si kuanguka, bali ni kwenda mbele" (To stumble is not to fall but a sign of going forward) - Swahili Proverb
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 13, 2013, at 7:21 AM, Badru Ntege <[email protected]> wrote:
http://www.internetgovernance.org/2013/10/11/the-core-internet-institutions-...
Badru Ntege
Sent from my Mobile
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Walu, On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 5:49 AM, Walubengo J <[email protected]> wrote:
@Badru, Ali et. al,
I support the need to share the unilateral oversight control that the US enjoys over the internet -
I know you know this, but what you are talking about is a Tri-Lateral process. IANA goes thru their rootzone change process, NTIA makes sure the IANA followed their process, and Verisign actually makes the change. NB: This is NOT over the whole Internet, just over what is in the root of the DNS. Can I ask who do you want to "share" the NTIA role? Could it be the IETF? Could it be the IAB? or does it have to be an intergovernmental body? even though I doubt if it will come to pass in my lifetime :-)
Moreover, I find the recent motivation for this multistakeholder approach (e.g. stop US spying) ill-informed. Am told Brazil is even going to the extend of building its own national email (yahoo) system, its own google, and maybe in future its own facebook, twitter, etc. Wherease this may satisfy national pride, it will not stop big brother US from spying on them or anybody else on this planet.
Big brother is watching each of us from the air (drones, satellite, etc), from our offices (MS-Windows?), from our smartphones /tablets etc. Building your own "internet" will not stop spying but may instead balkanize the internet into geographic silos similar to what we have in the real world.
Spying is a well developed constitutional right in most democracies including ours (remember National Intelligence Security and now "Nyumab Kumi Concept?). The best way to address big brother spying errands is - yes, to spy back on him.
or use strong crypto. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
@McTim, Whom do I want the US to share this (NTIA) role with? If I had the answer, then there will be no need for the Internet Governance Forum (IGF) @ http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/aboutigf :-) Anyway my position is that the situation is not perfect - but it maybe the best of the alternatives as of today. Perhaps in future, the IGF may strike a better recommendation that is practicable and offers other nation states the alternative feeling that big brother US is not exploiting or manipulating this oversight role. walu. -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 10/14/13, McTim <[email protected]> wrote: Subject: Re: [kictanet] The core Internet institutions abandon the US Government | IGP Blog To: "Walubengo J" <[email protected]> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <[email protected]> Date: Monday, October 14, 2013, 10:24 PM Walu, On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 5:49 AM, Walubengo J <[email protected]> wrote:
@Badru, Ali et. al,
I support the need to share the unilateral oversight control that the US enjoys over the internet -
I know you know this, but what you are talking about is a Tri-Lateral process. IANA goes thru their rootzone change process, NTIA makes sure the IANA followed their process, and Verisign actually makes the change. NB: This is NOT over the whole Internet, just over what is in the root of the DNS. Can I ask who do you want to "share" the NTIA role? Could it be the IETF? Could it be the IAB? or does it have to be an intergovernmental body? even though I doubt if it will come to pass in my lifetime :-)
Moreover, I find the recent motivation for this
multistakeholder approach (e.g. stop US spying) ill-informed. Am told Brazil is even going to the extend of building its own national email (yahoo) system, its own google, and maybe in future its own facebook, twitter, etc. Wherease this may satisfy national pride, it will not stop big brother US from spying on them or anybody else on this planet.
Big brother is watching each of us from the air
(drones, satellite, etc), from our offices (MS-Windows?), from our smartphones /tablets etc. Building your own "internet" will not stop spying but may instead balkanize the internet into geographic silos similar to what we have in the real world.
Spying is a well developed constitutional right in most
democracies including ours (remember National Intelligence Security and now "Nyumab Kumi Concept?). The best way to address big brother spying errands is - yes, to spy back on him. or use strong crypto. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
participants (6)
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Ali Hussein -
Badru Ntege -
Eric Osiakwan -
Kivuva -
McTim -
Walubengo J