The Information Communication Technology Practitioners Bill, 2016 - Taking effect???
Hello Listers, Sorry to interfere with the debate on CA spying on us. There is a short break as Okiya Omtatah fights for and maintains our freedoms... Please read the attachment and let me know what you think... It looks like the ICTA/MoICT are implementing something ... -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft."
Hi Wash, This is a different issue. It has to do with standardization of IT processes using ISO Standards that are domesticated at Kenya Bureau of Standards like the ISO 27000 series that focus on IT Security and Governance. ICTA and KEBS have been engaging on how this can be achieved for the past year. Regards On 2/20/17, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hello Listers,
Sorry to interfere with the debate on CA spying on us. There is a short break as Okiya Omtatah fights for and maintains our freedoms...
Please read the attachment and let me know what you think...
It looks like the ICTA/MoICT are implementing something ...
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft."
-- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254733206359 Skype: barrack.otieno PGP ID: 0x2611D86A
Hi Barrack, So that standardization also requires the Registration of ICT practitioners, with an annual renewal fees? Well, I must be a little confused I admit. Please explain to me what this form means -> http://icta.go.ke/pdf/tenders/ICT%20AUTHORITY%20MEMBER%20REGISTRATION%20FORM... To get Tenders (I suppose in the govt) one must be registered with ICTA?? On 20 February 2017 at 21:30, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Wash,
This is a different issue. It has to do with standardization of IT processes using ISO Standards that are domesticated at Kenya Bureau of Standards like the ISO 27000 series that focus on IT Security and Governance. ICTA and KEBS have been engaging on how this can be achieved for the past year.
Regards
On 2/20/17, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hello Listers,
Sorry to interfere with the debate on CA spying on us. There is a short break as Okiya Omtatah fights for and maintains our freedoms...
Please read the attachment and let me know what you think...
It looks like the ICTA/MoICT are implementing something ...
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft."
-- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254733206359 Skype: barrack.otieno PGP ID: 0x2611D86A
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft."
If I may I think what Wash, is saying is that many on this list may not be aware of what is being implemented a.k.a. the noise of other issues is obscuring it. On 20 Feb 2017 21:31, "Barrack Otieno via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Wash,
This is a different issue. It has to do with standardization of IT processes using ISO Standards that are domesticated at Kenya Bureau of Standards like the ISO 27000 series that focus on IT Security and Governance. ICTA and KEBS have been engaging on how this can be achieved for the past year.
Regards
On 2/20/17, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hello Listers,
Sorry to interfere with the debate on CA spying on us. There is a short break as Okiya Omtatah fights for and maintains our freedoms...
Please read the attachment and let me know what you think...
It looks like the ICTA/MoICT are implementing something ...
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft."
-- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254733206359 Skype: barrack.otieno PGP ID: 0x2611D86A
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Listers, We may need to ask ourselves what public participation means. I remember we had a long debate here in December 2016 about this regulation of the profession through the backdoor. Many listers raised valid points about the issue. Why then would the Ministry through ICTA proceed to implement the problematic directive anyway? At a policy level there is even more confusion. The government states that it wants to get more youth to enjoy the benefits of government tendering. The same government acknowledges that the youth are significant players in ICT services/goods. Then the same government goes ahead to give a policy that will lead to more hurdles for ordinary youth and their eventual exclusion in tendering for ICT services. What is! At the risk of repetition, here is a link to Kwame Owino's article <http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/kwame/2274474-3463774-nfi96n/>on policy corruption. He argues that some policies are designed to favour certain elite people and this ICTA directive (as read with our discussions <https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/pipermail/kictanet/2016-December/thread.html>in December 2016) seems to be just that. One can even argue that this policy excludes ICT procurement from the AGPO policy and the ease of doing business in Kenya aspirations. I will not even get into the issue of basis. How does a government entity wake up and decide to start a licencing regime? Does anyone understand what legal provision they are anchoring this on? I hope that ICTA or the Ministry can favour us with an explanation. Regards, 2017-02-20 22:42 GMT+03:00 Anderson Levi via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>:
If I may I think what Wash, is saying is that many on this list may not be aware of what is being implemented a.k.a. the noise of other issues is obscuring it.
On 20 Feb 2017 21:31, "Barrack Otieno via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Wash,
This is a different issue. It has to do with standardization of IT processes using ISO Standards that are domesticated at Kenya Bureau of Standards like the ISO 27000 series that focus on IT Security and Governance. ICTA and KEBS have been engaging on how this can be achieved for the past year.
Regards
On 2/20/17, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hello Listers,
Sorry to interfere with the debate on CA spying on us. There is a short break as Okiya Omtatah fights for and maintains our freedoms...
Please read the attachment and let me know what you think...
It looks like the ICTA/MoICT are implementing something ...
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft."
-- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 <+254%20721%20325277> +254733206359 <+254%20733%20206359> Skype: barrack.otieno PGP ID: 0x2611D86A
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GB and listers This simply is incredulous. We seem to have come to a point where we have a ministry which seems to be speaking a different language to the community and country it purposes to serve. Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle Sent from my iPad
On 21 Feb 2017, at 12:51 AM, Grace B via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers, We may need to ask ourselves what public participation means. I remember we had a long debate here in December 2016 about this regulation of the profession through the backdoor. Many listers raised valid points about the issue. Why then would the Ministry through ICTA proceed to implement the problematic directive anyway?
At a policy level there is even more confusion. The government states that it wants to get more youth to enjoy the benefits of government tendering. The same government acknowledges that the youth are significant players in ICT services/goods. Then the same government goes ahead to give a policy that will lead to more hurdles for ordinary youth and their eventual exclusion in tendering for ICT services. What is!
At the risk of repetition, here is a link to Kwame Owino's article on policy corruption. He argues that some policies are designed to favour certain elite people and this ICTA directive (as read with our discussions in December 2016) seems to be just that. One can even argue that this policy excludes ICT procurement from the AGPO policy and the ease of doing business in Kenya aspirations.
I will not even get into the issue of basis. How does a government entity wake up and decide to start a licencing regime? Does anyone understand what legal provision they are anchoring this on? I hope that ICTA or the Ministry can favour us with an explanation.
Regards,
2017-02-20 22:42 GMT+03:00 Anderson Levi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>:
If I may I think what Wash, is saying is that many on this list may not be aware of what is being implemented a.k.a. the noise of other issues is obscuring it.
On 20 Feb 2017 21:31, "Barrack Otieno via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Hi Wash,
This is a different issue. It has to do with standardization of IT processes using ISO Standards that are domesticated at Kenya Bureau of Standards like the ISO 27000 series that focus on IT Security and Governance. ICTA and KEBS have been engaging on how this can be achieved for the past year.
Regards
On 2/20/17, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hello Listers,
Sorry to interfere with the debate on CA spying on us. There is a short break as Okiya Omtatah fights for and maintains our freedoms...
Please read the attachment and let me know what you think...
It looks like the ICTA/MoICT are implementing something ...
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft."
-- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254733206359 Skype: barrack.otieno PGP ID: 0x2611D86A
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Hi Wash, Many thanks for your email. I encourage you to have a look at the ISO 27,000 Series of Standards. They are very good Standards for Information Security(see https://www.itgovernance.co.uk/iso27000-family) for a quick explanation. Actually it is good practice to have public and private organizations certified just as we had the ISO 9000 series quality management standards that were part of the government appraisal system. The Standards are very good for managing streamlining internal information system processes including the management of suppliers and other people interfacing with the organizations systems, however stakeholder engagement and involvement to ensure there is buy in is highly recommended. I suspect this is where ICTA has missed the point albeit being well intentioned. I think the only organization that is certified or is ready to be certified is CA on this series of standards. Kenya through Kenya Bureau of Standards is a voting member (P) in the International Standards Organization and domesticates most of this standards which are then referred to as KENISO Standards. Most are very good standards that can be used in the public and private sector but require understanding. They are also very cheap (ranging from KES 3000). I encourage listers who have time to visit the KEBS library and see for themselves what is available. Meanwhile ICTA needs to engage the public to explain what they are trying to achieve since this is where they slipped. This is however different from the issue of practitioners. Regards On 2/21/17, Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
GB and listers
This simply is incredulous. We seem to have come to a point where we have a ministry which seems to be speaking a different language to the community and country it purposes to serve.
Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle
Sent from my iPad
On 21 Feb 2017, at 12:51 AM, Grace B via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers, We may need to ask ourselves what public participation means. I remember we had a long debate here in December 2016 about this regulation of the profession through the backdoor. Many listers raised valid points about the issue. Why then would the Ministry through ICTA proceed to implement the problematic directive anyway?
At a policy level there is even more confusion. The government states that it wants to get more youth to enjoy the benefits of government tendering. The same government acknowledges that the youth are significant players in ICT services/goods. Then the same government goes ahead to give a policy that will lead to more hurdles for ordinary youth and their eventual exclusion in tendering for ICT services. What is!
At the risk of repetition, here is a link to Kwame Owino's article on policy corruption. He argues that some policies are designed to favour certain elite people and this ICTA directive (as read with our discussions in December 2016) seems to be just that. One can even argue that this policy excludes ICT procurement from the AGPO policy and the ease of doing business in Kenya aspirations.
I will not even get into the issue of basis. How does a government entity wake up and decide to start a licencing regime? Does anyone understand what legal provision they are anchoring this on? I hope that ICTA or the Ministry can favour us with an explanation.
Regards,
2017-02-20 22:42 GMT+03:00 Anderson Levi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>:
If I may I think what Wash, is saying is that many on this list may not be aware of what is being implemented a.k.a. the noise of other issues is obscuring it.
On 20 Feb 2017 21:31, "Barrack Otieno via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Hi Wash,
This is a different issue. It has to do with standardization of IT processes using ISO Standards that are domesticated at Kenya Bureau of Standards like the ISO 27000 series that focus on IT Security and Governance. ICTA and KEBS have been engaging on how this can be achieved for the past year.
Regards
On 2/20/17, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hello Listers,
Sorry to interfere with the debate on CA spying on us. There is a short break as Okiya Omtatah fights for and maintains our freedoms...
Please read the attachment and let me know what you think...
It looks like the ICTA/MoICT are implementing something ...
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft."
-- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254733206359 Skype: barrack.otieno PGP ID: 0x2611D86A
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Barrack You make a valid point. Thought I'm not yet convinced. One of the key issues here is about Communications. If the relevant agencies can just have the foresight to engage we probably would be discussing these issues with a lot more sobriety. Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle Sent from my iPad
On 21 Feb 2017, at 6:22 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Wash,
Many thanks for your email. I encourage you to have a look at the ISO 27,000 Series of Standards. They are very good Standards for Information Security(see https://www.itgovernance.co.uk/iso27000-family) for a quick explanation.
Actually it is good practice to have public and private organizations certified just as we had the ISO 9000 series quality management standards that were part of the government appraisal system. The Standards are very good for managing streamlining internal information system processes including the management of suppliers and other people interfacing with the organizations systems, however stakeholder engagement and involvement to ensure there is buy in is highly recommended. I suspect this is where ICTA has missed the point albeit being well intentioned. I think the only organization that is certified or is ready to be certified is CA on this series of standards. Kenya through Kenya Bureau of Standards is a voting member (P) in the International Standards Organization and domesticates most of this standards which are then referred to as KENISO Standards. Most are very good standards that can be used in the public and private sector but require understanding. They are also very cheap (ranging from KES 3000). I encourage listers who have time to visit the KEBS library and see for themselves what is available. Meanwhile ICTA needs to engage the public to explain what they are trying to achieve since this is where they slipped. This is however different from the issue of practitioners.
Regards
On 2/21/17, Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: GB and listers
This simply is incredulous. We seem to have come to a point where we have a ministry which seems to be speaking a different language to the community and country it purposes to serve.
Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle
Sent from my iPad
On 21 Feb 2017, at 12:51 AM, Grace B via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers, We may need to ask ourselves what public participation means. I remember we had a long debate here in December 2016 about this regulation of the profession through the backdoor. Many listers raised valid points about the issue. Why then would the Ministry through ICTA proceed to implement the problematic directive anyway?
At a policy level there is even more confusion. The government states that it wants to get more youth to enjoy the benefits of government tendering. The same government acknowledges that the youth are significant players in ICT services/goods. Then the same government goes ahead to give a policy that will lead to more hurdles for ordinary youth and their eventual exclusion in tendering for ICT services. What is!
At the risk of repetition, here is a link to Kwame Owino's article on policy corruption. He argues that some policies are designed to favour certain elite people and this ICTA directive (as read with our discussions in December 2016) seems to be just that. One can even argue that this policy excludes ICT procurement from the AGPO policy and the ease of doing business in Kenya aspirations.
I will not even get into the issue of basis. How does a government entity wake up and decide to start a licencing regime? Does anyone understand what legal provision they are anchoring this on? I hope that ICTA or the Ministry can favour us with an explanation.
Regards,
2017-02-20 22:42 GMT+03:00 Anderson Levi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>:
If I may I think what Wash, is saying is that many on this list may not be aware of what is being implemented a.k.a. the noise of other issues is obscuring it.
On 20 Feb 2017 21:31, "Barrack Otieno via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Hi Wash,
This is a different issue. It has to do with standardization of IT processes using ISO Standards that are domesticated at Kenya Bureau of Standards like the ISO 27000 series that focus on IT Security and Governance. ICTA and KEBS have been engaging on how this can be achieved for the past year.
Regards
On 2/20/17, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hello Listers,
Sorry to interfere with the debate on CA spying on us. There is a short break as Okiya Omtatah fights for and maintains our freedoms...
Please read the attachment and let me know what you think...
It looks like the ICTA/MoICT are implementing something ...
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft."
-- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254733206359 Skype: barrack.otieno PGP ID: 0x2611D86A
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I agree Ali, i am speaking from a point of knowledge even though i cannot speak for the entities involved. I do hope a representative from the concerned organizations can speak up and clarify. Regards On Feb 21, 2017 8:19 AM, "Ali Hussein" <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Barrack
You make a valid point. Thought I'm not yet convinced. One of the key issues here is about Communications. If the relevant agencies can just have the foresight to engage we probably would be discussing these issues with a lot more sobriety.
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On 21 Feb 2017, at 6:22 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Wash,
Many thanks for your email. I encourage you to have a look at the ISO 27,000 Series of Standards. They are very good Standards for Information Security(see https://www.itgovernance.co.uk/iso27000-family) for a quick explanation.
Actually it is good practice to have public and private organizations certified just as we had the ISO 9000 series quality management standards that were part of the government appraisal system. The Standards are very good for managing streamlining internal information system processes including the management of suppliers and other people interfacing with the organizations systems, however stakeholder engagement and involvement to ensure there is buy in is highly recommended. I suspect this is where ICTA has missed the point albeit being well intentioned. I think the only organization that is certified or is ready to be certified is CA on this series of standards. Kenya through Kenya Bureau of Standards is a voting member (P) in the International Standards Organization and domesticates most of this standards which are then referred to as KENISO Standards. Most are very good standards that can be used in the public and private sector but require understanding. They are also very cheap (ranging from KES 3000). I encourage listers who have time to visit the KEBS library and see for themselves what is available. Meanwhile ICTA needs to engage the public to explain what they are trying to achieve since this is where they slipped. This is however different from the issue of practitioners.
Regards
On 2/21/17, Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
GB and listers
This simply is incredulous. We seem to have come to a point where we have a
ministry which seems to be speaking a different language to the community
and country it purposes to serve.
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On 21 Feb 2017, at 12:51 AM, Grace B via kictanet
<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
We may need to ask ourselves what public participation means. I remember
we had a long debate here in December 2016 about this regulation of the
profession through the backdoor. Many listers raised valid points about
the issue.
Why then would the Ministry through ICTA proceed to implement the
problematic directive anyway?
At a policy level there is even more confusion. The government states that
it wants to get more youth to enjoy the benefits of government tendering.
The same government acknowledges that the youth are significant players in
ICT services/goods. Then the same government goes ahead to give a policy
that will lead to more hurdles for ordinary youth and their eventual
exclusion in tendering for ICT services. What is!
At the risk of repetition, here is a link to Kwame Owino's article on
policy corruption. He argues that some policies are designed to favour
certain elite people and this ICTA directive (as read with our discussions
in December 2016) seems to be just that. One can even argue that this
policy excludes ICT procurement from the AGPO policy and the ease of doing
business in Kenya aspirations.
I will not even get into the issue of basis. How does a government entity
wake up and decide to start a licencing regime? Does anyone understand
what legal provision they are anchoring this on? I hope that ICTA or the
Ministry can favour us with an explanation.
Regards,
2017-02-20 22:42 GMT+03:00 Anderson Levi via kictanet
<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>:
If I may I think what Wash, is saying is that many on this list may not
be aware of what is being implemented a.k.a. the noise of other issues is
obscuring it.
On 20 Feb 2017 21:31, "Barrack Otieno via kictanet"
<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Wash,
This is a different issue. It has to do with standardization of IT
processes using ISO Standards that are domesticated at Kenya Bureau of
Standards like the ISO 27000 series that focus on IT Security and
Governance. ICTA and KEBS have been engaging on how this can be
achieved for the past year.
Regards
On 2/20/17, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet
<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hello Listers,
Sorry to interfere with the debate on CA spying on us. There is a
short
break as Okiya Omtatah fights for and maintains our freedoms...
Please read the attachment and let me know what you think...
It looks like the ICTA/MoICT are implementing something ...
--
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Nairobi,KE
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Barrack, The essence of certification is to avoid 3rd party audits like KICTA is trying to do. If I have already been certified by an international ( or local) organization, why do they need to register and vet me again? Best Regards, Alex Watila Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Barrack Otieno via kictanet Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 9:30 PM To: awatila@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Barrack Otieno Subject: Re: [kictanet] The Information Communication TechnologyPractitioners Bill, 2016 - Taking effect??? Hi Wash, This is a different issue. It has to do with standardization of IT processes using ISO Standards that are domesticated at Kenya Bureau of Standards like the ISO 27000 series that focus on IT Security and Governance. ICTA and KEBS have been engaging on how this can be achieved for the past year. Regards On 2/20/17, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hello Listers,
Sorry to interfere with the debate on CA spying on us. There is a short break as Okiya Omtatah fights for and maintains our freedoms...
Please read the attachment and let me know what you think...
It looks like the ICTA/MoICT are implementing something ...
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Alex, This is why i said there is confusion and mix up of issues.ICTA can shed light on the issue so that stakeholders can be enlightened. Regards On Feb 21, 2017 2:31 PM, <awatila@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Barrack,
The essence of certification is to avoid 3rd party audits like KICTA is trying to do.
If I have already been certified by an international ( or local) organization, why do they need to register and vet me again?
Best Regards,
Alex Watila
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*From: *Barrack Otieno via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent: *Monday, February 20, 2017 9:30 PM *To: *awatila@yahoo.co.uk *Cc: *Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] The Information Communication TechnologyPractitioners Bill, 2016 - Taking effect???
Hi Wash,
This is a different issue. It has to do with standardization of IT
processes using ISO Standards that are domesticated at Kenya Bureau of
Standards like the ISO 27000 series that focus on IT Security and
Governance. ICTA and KEBS have been engaging on how this can be
achieved for the past year.
Regards
On 2/20/17, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet
<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hello Listers,
Sorry to interfere with the debate on CA spying on us. There is a short
break as Okiya Omtatah fights for and maintains our freedoms...
Please read the attachment and let me know what you think...
It looks like the ICTA/MoICT are implementing something ...
--
Best regards,
Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
Nairobi,KE
+254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223
"Oh, the cruft."
--
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Hello Fellows, Here is a serious breakdown in communication and for sure we as a community are not at fault on this issue. However, all we know is that all of a sudden there is a wave to accredit parties to do various things under the sun all of a sudden. And multiple number of times has the community raised this issue as specifically a not going to work model. Valid there may be divergent opinions on this matter but then a bigger question for the implementing party to answer is what are the guidelines to measure accreditation and who will be in a position to measure it (and we may still argue back and forth about how these accreditations have made Kenya a tech hub lets put that aside for now and just focus on the question - and I am sure we will realize that the Accrediting Party - in all its respects - will still be as human an entity as all of us are - that is if ever there have been globally recognized frameworks to pull this off on a nation's scale). In a world where the user's competence is available a LinkedIn Profile click away - are we still looking at papers or CVs to drive the tech sector? On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 2:54 PM, Barrack Otieno via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Alex,
This is why i said there is confusion and mix up of issues.ICTA can shed light on the issue so that stakeholders can be enlightened.
Regards On Feb 21, 2017 2:31 PM, <awatila@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Barrack,
The essence of certification is to avoid 3rd party audits like KICTA is trying to do.
If I have already been certified by an international ( or local) organization, why do they need to register and vet me again?
Best Regards,
Alex Watila
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*From: *Barrack Otieno via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent: *Monday, February 20, 2017 9:30 PM *To: *awatila@yahoo.co.uk *Cc: *Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] The Information Communication TechnologyPractitioners Bill, 2016 - Taking effect???
Hi Wash,
This is a different issue. It has to do with standardization of IT
processes using ISO Standards that are domesticated at Kenya Bureau of
Standards like the ISO 27000 series that focus on IT Security and
Governance. ICTA and KEBS have been engaging on how this can be
achieved for the past year.
Regards
On 2/20/17, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet
<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hello Listers,
Sorry to interfere with the debate on CA spying on us. There is a short
break as Okiya Omtatah fights for and maintains our freedoms...
Please read the attachment and let me know what you think...
It looks like the ICTA/MoICT are implementing something ...
--
Best regards,
Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
Nairobi,KE
+254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223
"Oh, the cruft."
--
Barrack O. Otieno
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Just as a follow up, ICTA seems to imply that there was stakeholder engagement in the process of Standards developement. It would be good if we can be brought up to speed as to the process and outcome of this stakeholder engagement. It seems ICTA does not engage the public, how i miss the ICT board under Paul Kukubo, always at hand to clarify issues however tough the conversation was. Regards On 2/21/17, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Alex,
This is why i said there is confusion and mix up of issues.ICTA can shed light on the issue so that stakeholders can be enlightened.
Regards On Feb 21, 2017 2:31 PM, <awatila@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Barrack,
The essence of certification is to avoid 3rd party audits like KICTA is trying to do.
If I have already been certified by an international ( or local) organization, why do they need to register and vet me again?
Best Regards,
Alex Watila
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
*From: *Barrack Otieno via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent: *Monday, February 20, 2017 9:30 PM *To: *awatila@yahoo.co.uk *Cc: *Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] The Information Communication TechnologyPractitioners Bill, 2016 - Taking effect???
Hi Wash,
This is a different issue. It has to do with standardization of IT
processes using ISO Standards that are domesticated at Kenya Bureau of
Standards like the ISO 27000 series that focus on IT Security and
Governance. ICTA and KEBS have been engaging on how this can be
achieved for the past year.
Regards
On 2/20/17, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet
<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hello Listers,
Sorry to interfere with the debate on CA spying on us. There is a short
break as Okiya Omtatah fights for and maintains our freedoms...
Please read the attachment and let me know what you think...
It looks like the ICTA/MoICT are implementing something ...
--
Best regards,
Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
Nairobi,KE
+254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223
"Oh, the cruft."
--
Barrack O. Otieno
+254721325277 <0721%20325277>
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Skype: barrack.otieno
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Barrack, ICTA is implementing bits of the ICT Practitioners Bill (not Act! ) through the backdoor. That's where that licensing bit comes in. I don't know how you fail to notice that. On 21 February 2017 at 15:55, Barrack Otieno via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Just as a follow up, ICTA seems to imply that there was stakeholder engagement in the process of Standards developement. It would be good if we can be brought up to speed as to the process and outcome of this stakeholder engagement. It seems ICTA does not engage the public, how i miss the ICT board under Paul Kukubo, always at hand to clarify issues however tough the conversation was.
Regards
On 2/21/17, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Alex,
This is why i said there is confusion and mix up of issues.ICTA can shed light on the issue so that stakeholders can be enlightened.
Regards On Feb 21, 2017 2:31 PM, <awatila@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Barrack,
The essence of certification is to avoid 3rd party audits like KICTA is trying to do.
If I have already been certified by an international ( or local) organization, why do they need to register and vet me again?
Best Regards,
Alex Watila
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
*From: *Barrack Otieno via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent: *Monday, February 20, 2017 9:30 PM *To: *awatila@yahoo.co.uk *Cc: *Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] The Information Communication TechnologyPractitioners Bill, 2016 - Taking effect???
Hi Wash,
This is a different issue. It has to do with standardization of IT
processes using ISO Standards that are domesticated at Kenya Bureau of
Standards like the ISO 27000 series that focus on IT Security and
Governance. ICTA and KEBS have been engaging on how this can be
achieved for the past year.
Regards
On 2/20/17, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet
<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hello Listers,
Sorry to interfere with the debate on CA spying on us. There is a short
break as Okiya Omtatah fights for and maintains our freedoms...
Please read the attachment and let me know what you think...
It looks like the ICTA/MoICT are implementing something ...
--
Best regards,
Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
Nairobi,KE
+254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223
"Oh, the cruft."
--
Barrack O. Otieno
+254721325277 <0721%20325277>
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Skype: barrack.otieno
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Barrack Otieno -
Grace B -
Odhiambo Washington