ICT Bill is not going away
http://www.nation.co.ke/business/Our-hands-tied-in-ICT-Bill/996-3324824-5hai... We need a proper public consultation on this, in the same way as the current Cybercrimes bill, and the recent ICT policy. Just another thought that has not so far been raised: Engineers are also 'ICT Practitioners', so are some lawyers, so are some doctors, so are many other professions, which each already have their own registration. So they now must ALSO be registered as ICT practitioners? -- Tony White
they are not being honest. based on the views they have received they can recommend its withdrawal. regards, Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, 1 Aug, 2016 at 9:50, Tony White via kictanet<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: http://www.nation.co.ke/business/Our-hands-tied-in-ICT-Bill/996-3324824-5hai... We need a proper public consultation on this, in the same way as the current Cybercrimes bill, and the recent ICT policy. Just another thought that has not so far been raised: Engineers are also 'ICT Practitioners', so are some lawyers, so are some doctors, so are many other professions, which each already have their own registration. So they now must ALSO be registered as ICT practitioners? -- Tony White _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/awatila%40yahoo.co.uk The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
I had a very frightening conversation on Thursday, where a self-proclaimed "Tech Person" and leader of a business networking association declared the following: - "The techies of Kenya were getting out of control and taking over the direction of the country without supervision" - "Private businesses should choose their employees with the help of the government (via this bill's licensing and certification)" - "Kenya is happy to be the only country in the world [besides Ethiopia] with such stringent measures because it is a leader" -"Doctors need to be licensed and so do Techies" ... when I responded that I would have to fire 8 young Kenyan female employees who are well-paid and highly competent because they don't have the appropriate license, they said "the government should be involved in who you can hire." I was shocked at the misinformation and views. This is akin to the way Trump supporters spew misinformation they receive from Fox News. Most of it seems to stem from a lack of knowledge on what defines a "techie" and what they are and are not capable of. It seems as some people think there is an army of robots about to take over this country from the innocents. Who has been driving this narrative? On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 10:08 AM, Watila Alex via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
they are not being honest.
based on the views they have received they can recommend its withdrawal.
regards,
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On Mon, 1 Aug, 2016 at 9:50, Tony White via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
http://www.nation.co.ke/business/Our-hands-tied-in-ICT-Bill/996-3324824-5hai...
We need a proper public consultation on this, in the same way as the current Cybercrimes bill, and the recent ICT policy.
Just another thought that has not so far been raised: Engineers are also 'ICT Practitioners', so are some lawyers, so are some doctors, so are many other professions, which each already have their own registration. So they now must ALSO be registered as ICT practitioners?
-- Tony White
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Hi Elizabeth, Its a shame indeed, we have a habit of leaders reaping where they did not sow, i am glad with the new constitutional dispensation there is no room for such leaders who happen to be erstwhile tenderpreneurs who reap at the expense of hardworking innovators, the ICT community should step up its game and say no to such leadership, time to take full control of the sector including the leaders we send to Parliament . Its a pity that the legislators claim they are not in a position to help stakeholders as reported, i think we should send the correct message they normally understand and send them out of bunge using twitter, 2017 is a few months away. Regards Regards On 8/1/16, Elizabeth Rossiello via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I had a very frightening conversation on Thursday, where a self-proclaimed "Tech Person" and leader of a business networking association declared the following:
- "The techies of Kenya were getting out of control and taking over the direction of the country without supervision" - "Private businesses should choose their employees with the help of the government (via this bill's licensing and certification)" - "Kenya is happy to be the only country in the world [besides Ethiopia] with such stringent measures because it is a leader" -"Doctors need to be licensed and so do Techies"
... when I responded that I would have to fire 8 young Kenyan female employees who are well-paid and highly competent because they don't have the appropriate license, they said "the government should be involved in who you can hire."
I was shocked at the misinformation and views. This is akin to the way Trump supporters spew misinformation they receive from Fox News. Most of it seems to stem from a lack of knowledge on what defines a "techie" and what they are and are not capable of. It seems as some people think there is an army of robots about to take over this country from the innocents.
Who has been driving this narrative?
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 10:08 AM, Watila Alex via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
they are not being honest.
based on the views they have received they can recommend its withdrawal.
regards,
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On Mon, 1 Aug, 2016 at 9:50, Tony White via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
http://www.nation.co.ke/business/Our-hands-tied-in-ICT-Bill/996-3324824-5hai...
We need a proper public consultation on this, in the same way as the current Cybercrimes bill, and the recent ICT policy.
Just another thought that has not so far been raised: Engineers are also 'ICT Practitioners', so are some lawyers, so are some doctors, so are many other professions, which each already have their own registration. So they now must ALSO be registered as ICT practitioners?
-- Tony White
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Apologies in advance for my ignorance-What kind of formal or informal engagement has happened related to the ICT bill? From: kictanet <kictanet-bounces+ebeleokobi=fb.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet-bounces+ebeleokobi=fb.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> on behalf of Watila Alex via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> Reply-To: "awatila@yahoo.co.uk<mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk>" <awatila@yahoo.co.uk<mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk>>, KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> Date: Monday, August 1, 2016 at 8:08 AM To: Ebele Okobi <ebeleokobi@fb.com<mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com>> Cc: Watila Alex <awatila@yahoo.co.uk<mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT Bill is not going away they are not being honest. based on the views they have received they can recommend its withdrawal. regards, Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__overview.mail.yahoo.com_mobile_-3F.src-3DAndroid&d=CwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=BZxtaq8uB3fDkITH9MWyMaigfl_Ub9Yxp9hzPdF1JUY&s=c0QWcXg0iF8hJ9PpLKsOiIvnCwHvmCcuAUIJW2VaWm0&e=> On Mon, 1 Aug, 2016 at 9:50, Tony White via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: http://www.nation.co.ke/business/Our-hands-tied-in-ICT-Bill/996-3324824-5haiq1/index.html<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.nation.co.ke_business_Our-2Dhands-2Dtied-2Din-2DICT-2DBill_996-2D3324824-2D5haiq1_index.html&d=CwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=BZxtaq8uB3fDkITH9MWyMaigfl_Ub9Yxp9hzPdF1JUY&s=zOWuhu_gDOEWte3yGoN03JKtk9YhvqV_48EsZnao4vA&e=> We need a proper public consultation on this, in the same way as the current Cybercrimes bill, and the recent ICT policy. Just another thought that has not so far been raised: Engineers are also 'ICT Practitioners', so are some lawyers, so are some doctors, so are many other professions, which each already have their own registration. So they now must ALSO be registered as ICT practitioners? -- Tony White _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<javascript:return> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.kictanet.or.ke_mailman_listinfo_kictanet&d=CwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=BZxtaq8uB3fDkITH9MWyMaigfl_Ub9Yxp9hzPdF1JUY&s=ZClUlFE_eX-PWgEFDX24yDQVeJFx71KJfa_Of5bLBpk&e=> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/awatila%40yahoo.co.uk<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.kictanet.or.ke_mailman_options_kictanet_awatila-2540yahoo.co.uk&d=CwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=BZxtaq8uB3fDkITH9MWyMaigfl_Ub9Yxp9hzPdF1JUY&s=2-RSLwnKGTEjO7BftLgSrtxN1BNkeyFWVtx-9QqNk-0&e=> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
For this particular ICT bill. No known engagement has happened. Jgitau On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Ebele Okobi via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Apologies in advance for my ignorance-What kind of formal or informal engagement has happened related to the ICT bill?
From: kictanet <kictanet-bounces+ebeleokobi=fb.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke> on behalf of Watila Alex via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Reply-To: "awatila@yahoo.co.uk" <awatila@yahoo.co.uk>, KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, August 1, 2016 at 8:08 AM To: Ebele Okobi <ebeleokobi@fb.com> Cc: Watila Alex <awatila@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT Bill is not going away
they are not being honest.
based on the views they have received they can recommend its withdrawal.
regards,
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On Mon, 1 Aug, 2016 at 9:50, Tony White via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
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We need a proper public consultation on this, in the same way as the current Cybercrimes bill, and the recent ICT policy.
Just another thought that has not so far been raised: Engineers are also 'ICT Practitioners', so are some lawyers, so are some doctors, so are many other professions, which each already have their own registration. So they now must ALSO be registered as ICT practitioners?
-- Tony White
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KICTANet together with others (KEPSA, TESPOK, BAKE, KITOS, iHub) presented a memorandum to the Energy and ICT Committee opposing the Bill on 26th July. We were advised about the process of withdrawal of a Bill, which is that only the sponsor can withdraw it, with the leave of the Speaker. We nevertheless presented our memorandum and our position was similar to the Ministry's position- that the Bill is not grounded on sound policy and should be withdrawn. Committee insisted that they had 21 days in which to report back the Bill. They asked for proposals to amend what we thought were problematic clauses and there was another hearing before the committee on 28th July. Committee is still discussing stakeholder views before reporting back the Bill. Regards, 2016-08-01 12:11 GMT+03:00 John Gitau via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>:
For this particular ICT bill. No known engagement has happened.
Jgitau
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Ebele Okobi via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Apologies in advance for my ignorance-What kind of formal or informal engagement has happened related to the ICT bill?
From: kictanet <kictanet-bounces+ebeleokobi=fb.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke> on behalf of Watila Alex via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Reply-To: "awatila@yahoo.co.uk" <awatila@yahoo.co.uk>, KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, August 1, 2016 at 8:08 AM To: Ebele Okobi <ebeleokobi@fb.com> Cc: Watila Alex <awatila@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT Bill is not going away
they are not being honest.
based on the views they have received they can recommend its withdrawal.
regards,
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On Mon, 1 Aug, 2016 at 9:50, Tony White via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
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We need a proper public consultation on this, in the same way as the current Cybercrimes bill, and the recent ICT policy.
Just another thought that has not so far been raised: Engineers are also 'ICT Practitioners', so are some lawyers, so are some doctors, so are many other professions, which each already have their own registration. So they now must ALSO be registered as ICT practitioners?
-- Tony White
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This is so helpful, thank you! Is the sponsor open to conversations? Has he said what problem he is trying to solve with this? Is there a sense that if this bill is voted on, it will pass? If it’s not possible for it to be withdrawn or appropriately amended (although it’s hard for me to see how it could be appropriately amended), is there room for KICTAnet to engage directly with legislators? From: kictanet <kictanet-bounces+ebeleokobi=fb.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet-bounces+ebeleokobi=fb.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> on behalf of "Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> Reply-To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> Date: Monday, August 1, 2016 at 10:47 AM To: Ebele Okobi <ebeleokobi@fb.com<mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com>> Cc: "Grace Mutung'u (Bomu)" <nmutungu@gmail.com<mailto:nmutungu@gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT Bill is not going away KICTANet together with others (KEPSA, TESPOK, BAKE, KITOS, iHub) presented a memorandum to the Energy and ICT Committee opposing the Bill on 26th July. We were advised about the process of withdrawal of a Bill, which is that only the sponsor can withdraw it, with the leave of the Speaker. We nevertheless presented our memorandum and our position was similar to the Ministry's position- that the Bill is not grounded on sound policy and should be withdrawn. Committee insisted that they had 21 days in which to report back the Bill. They asked for proposals to amend what we thought were problematic clauses and there was another hearing before the committee on 28th July. Committee is still discussing stakeholder views before reporting back the Bill. Regards, 2016-08-01 12:11 GMT+03:00 John Gitau via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>>: For this particular ICT bill. No known engagement has happened. Jgitau On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Ebele Okobi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Apologies in advance for my ignorance-What kind of formal or informal engagement has happened related to the ICT bill? From: kictanet <kictanet-bounces+ebeleokobi=fb.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet-bounces+ebeleokobi=fb.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> on behalf of Watila Alex via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> Reply-To: "awatila@yahoo.co.uk<mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk>" <awatila@yahoo.co.uk<mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk>>, KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> Date: Monday, August 1, 2016 at 8:08 AM To: Ebele Okobi <ebeleokobi@fb.com<mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com>> Cc: Watila Alex <awatila@yahoo.co.uk<mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT Bill is not going away they are not being honest. based on the views they have received they can recommend its withdrawal. regards, Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__overview.mail.yahoo.com_mobile_-3F.src-3DAndroid&d=CwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=BZxtaq8uB3fDkITH9MWyMaigfl_Ub9Yxp9hzPdF1JUY&s=c0QWcXg0iF8hJ9PpLKsOiIvnCwHvmCcuAUIJW2VaWm0&e=> On Mon, 1 Aug, 2016 at 9:50, Tony White via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: http://www.nation.co.ke/business/Our-hands-tied-in-ICT-Bill/996-3324824-5haiq1/index.html<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.nation.co.ke_business_Our-2Dhands-2Dtied-2Din-2DICT-2DBill_996-2D3324824-2D5haiq1_index.html&d=CwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=BZxtaq8uB3fDkITH9MWyMaigfl_Ub9Yxp9hzPdF1JUY&s=zOWuhu_gDOEWte3yGoN03JKtk9YhvqV_48EsZnao4vA&e=> We need a proper public consultation on this, in the same way as the current Cybercrimes bill, and the recent ICT policy. Just another thought that has not so far been raised: Engineers are also 'ICT Practitioners', so are some lawyers, so are some doctors, so are many other professions, which each already have their own registration. So they now must ALSO be registered as ICT practitioners? -- Tony White _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.kictanet.or.ke_mailman_listinfo_kictanet&d=CwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=BZxtaq8uB3fDkITH9MWyMaigfl_Ub9Yxp9hzPdF1JUY&s=ZClUlFE_eX-PWgEFDX24yDQVeJFx71KJfa_Of5bLBpk&e=> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/awatila%40yahoo.co.uk<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.kictanet.or.ke_mailman_options_kictanet_awatila-2540yahoo.co.uk&d=CwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=BZxtaq8uB3fDkITH9MWyMaigfl_Ub9Yxp9hzPdF1JUY&s=2-RSLwnKGTEjO7BftLgSrtxN1BNkeyFWVtx-9QqNk-0&e=> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.kictanet.or.ke_mailman_listinfo_kictanet&d=CwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=bnwdL5Igs_vM94ZukTHWZmdjP0RFEmDv_MziWs9RXTI&s=8DKeeUfpgUAiCzl2T_SaCEc9VlAacVi-L_-6DsQpftQ&e=> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jgitau%40gmail.com<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.kictanet.or.ke_mailman_options_kictanet_jgitau-2540gmail.com&d=CwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=bnwdL5Igs_vM94ZukTHWZmdjP0RFEmDv_MziWs9RXTI&s=kzEfXvezdw89oK8k4Kk0hvtx6LzqJy6rcpI8lzTkTxM&e=> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- **Gitau _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.kictanet.or.ke_mailman_listinfo_kictanet&d=CwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=bnwdL5Igs_vM94ZukTHWZmdjP0RFEmDv_MziWs9RXTI&s=8DKeeUfpgUAiCzl2T_SaCEc9VlAacVi-L_-6DsQpftQ&e=> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/nmutungu%40gmail.com<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.kictanet.or.ke_mailman_options_kictanet_nmutungu-2540gmail.com&d=CwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=bnwdL5Igs_vM94ZukTHWZmdjP0RFEmDv_MziWs9RXTI&s=u619vBheY957o0iwIEy5zU77cr5SCTLVaTidhCc_rao&e=> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- Grace L.N. Mutung'u Nairobi Kenya Skype: gracebomu Twitter: @Bomu <http://www.diplointernetgovernance.org/profile/GraceMutungu<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.diplointernetgovernance.org_profile_GraceMutungu&d=CwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=bnwdL5Igs_vM94ZukTHWZmdjP0RFEmDv_MziWs9RXTI&s=q3dPfoyEyUfuJTm3DI7cPb-9HtonCBQL27hzTMSbtbU&e=>> PGP ID : 0x33A3450F
It is a strange situation. The sponsor is the leader of government business yet he is pushing a bill that is not in line with GoK policy. Regards, Alex From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Ebele Okobi via kictanet Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 12:53 PM To: awatila@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Ebele Okobi <ebeleokobi@fb.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT Bill is not going away This is so helpful, thank you! Is the sponsor open to conversations? Has he said what problem he is trying to solve with this? Is there a sense that if this bill is voted on, it will pass? If it's not possible for it to be withdrawn or appropriately amended (although it's hard for me to see how it could be appropriately amended), is there room for KICTAnet to engage directly with legislators? From: kictanet <kictanet-bounces+ebeleokobi=fb.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet-bounces+ebeleokobi=fb.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > on behalf of "Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Reply-To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Date: Monday, August 1, 2016 at 10:47 AM To: Ebele Okobi <ebeleokobi@fb.com <mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com> > Cc: "Grace Mutung'u (Bomu)" <nmutungu@gmail.com <mailto:nmutungu@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT Bill is not going away KICTANet together with others (KEPSA, TESPOK, BAKE, KITOS, iHub) presented a memorandum to the Energy and ICT Committee opposing the Bill on 26th July. We were advised about the process of withdrawal of a Bill, which is that only the sponsor can withdraw it, with the leave of the Speaker. We nevertheless presented our memorandum and our position was similar to the Ministry's position- that the Bill is not grounded on sound policy and should be withdrawn. Committee insisted that they had 21 days in which to report back the Bill. They asked for proposals to amend what we thought were problematic clauses and there was another hearing before the committee on 28th July. Committee is still discussing stakeholder views before reporting back the Bill. Regards, 2016-08-01 12:11 GMT+03:00 John Gitau via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> >: For this particular ICT bill. No known engagement has happened. Jgitau On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Ebele Okobi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > wrote: Apologies in advance for my ignorance-What kind of formal or informal engagement has happened related to the ICT bill? From: kictanet <kictanet-bounces+ebeleokobi=fb.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet-bounces+ebeleokobi=fb.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > on behalf of Watila Alex via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Reply-To: "awatila@yahoo.co.uk <mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk> " <awatila@yahoo.co.uk <mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk> >, KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Date: Monday, August 1, 2016 at 8:08 AM To: Ebele Okobi <ebeleokobi@fb.com <mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com> > Cc: Watila Alex <awatila@yahoo.co.uk <mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT Bill is not going away they are not being honest. based on the views they have received they can recommend its withdrawal. regards, Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__overview.mail.yahoo.co m_mobile_-3F.src-3DAndroid&d=CwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_ X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=BZxtaq8uB3fDkITH9MWyMaigfl_Ub9Yxp9hzPdF1JUY &s=c0QWcXg0iF8hJ9PpLKsOiIvnCwHvmCcuAUIJW2VaWm0&e=> On Mon, 1 Aug, 2016 at 9:50, Tony White via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > wrote: http://www.nation.co.ke/business/Our-hands-tied-in-ICT-Bill/996-3324824-5hai q1/index.html <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.nation.co.ke_busine ss_Our-2Dhands-2Dtied-2Din-2DICT-2DBill_996-2D3324824-2D5haiq1_index.html&d= CwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOT E&m=BZxtaq8uB3fDkITH9MWyMaigfl_Ub9Yxp9hzPdF1JUY&s=zOWuhu_gDOEWte3yGoN03JKtk9 YhvqV_48EsZnao4vA&e=> We need a proper public consultation on this, in the same way as the current Cybercrimes bill, and the recent ICT policy. Just another thought that has not so far been raised: Engineers are also 'ICT Practitioners', so are some lawyers, so are some doctors, so are many other professions, which each already have their own registration. So they now must ALSO be registered as ICT practitioners? -- Tony White _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.kictanet.or.ke_m ailman_listinfo_kictanet&d=CwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9 xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=BZxtaq8uB3fDkITH9MWyMaigfl_Ub9Yxp9hzPdF1JUY&s =ZClUlFE_eX-PWgEFDX24yDQVeJFx71KJfa_Of5bLBpk&e=> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/awatila%40yahoo.co.uk <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.kictanet.or.ke_m ailman_options_kictanet_awatila-2540yahoo.co.uk&d=CwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41 b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=BZxtaq8uB3fDkITH9MWyMa igfl_Ub9Yxp9hzPdF1JUY&s=2-RSLwnKGTEjO7BftLgSrtxN1BNkeyFWVtx-9QqNk-0&e=> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.kictanet.or.ke_m ailman_listinfo_kictanet&d=CwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9 xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=bnwdL5Igs_vM94ZukTHWZmdjP0RFEmDv_MziWs9RXTI&s =8DKeeUfpgUAiCzl2T_SaCEc9VlAacVi-L_-6DsQpftQ&e=> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jgitau%40gmail.com <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.kictanet.or.ke_m ailman_options_kictanet_jgitau-2540gmail.com&d=CwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3M Uw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=bnwdL5Igs_vM94ZukTHWZmdjP 0RFEmDv_MziWs9RXTI&s=kzEfXvezdw89oK8k4Kk0hvtx6LzqJy6rcpI8lzTkTxM&e=> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- **Gitau _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.kictanet.or.ke_m ailman_listinfo_kictanet&d=CwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9 xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=bnwdL5Igs_vM94ZukTHWZmdjP0RFEmDv_MziWs9RXTI&s =8DKeeUfpgUAiCzl2T_SaCEc9VlAacVi-L_-6DsQpftQ&e=> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/nmutungu%40gmail.com <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.kictanet.or.ke_m ailman_options_kictanet_nmutungu-2540gmail.com&d=CwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b 3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=bnwdL5Igs_vM94ZukTHWZmd jP0RFEmDv_MziWs9RXTI&s=u619vBheY957o0iwIEy5zU77cr5SCTLVaTidhCc_rao&e=> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. 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Bomu et al, The stakeholders need to push for its complete withdrawal instead of amendment since it does not have the support of majority of the stakeholders. The committee is allowed to recommend the withdrawal of the bill on the basis of the submissions received. Regards, Alex From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via kictanet Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 12:48 PM To: awatila@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <nmutungu@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT Bill is not going away KICTANet together with others (KEPSA, TESPOK, BAKE, KITOS, iHub) presented a memorandum to the Energy and ICT Committee opposing the Bill on 26th July. We were advised about the process of withdrawal of a Bill, which is that only the sponsor can withdraw it, with the leave of the Speaker. We nevertheless presented our memorandum and our position was similar to the Ministry's position- that the Bill is not grounded on sound policy and should be withdrawn. Committee insisted that they had 21 days in which to report back the Bill. They asked for proposals to amend what we thought were problematic clauses and there was another hearing before the committee on 28th July. Committee is still discussing stakeholder views before reporting back the Bill. Regards, 2016-08-01 12:11 GMT+03:00 John Gitau via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> >: For this particular ICT bill. No known engagement has happened. Jgitau On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Ebele Okobi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > wrote: Apologies in advance for my ignorance-What kind of formal or informal engagement has happened related to the ICT bill? From: kictanet <kictanet-bounces+ebeleokobi=fb.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet-bounces+ebeleokobi=fb.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > on behalf of Watila Alex via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Reply-To: "awatila@yahoo.co.uk <mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk> " <awatila@yahoo.co.uk <mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk> >, KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Date: Monday, August 1, 2016 at 8:08 AM To: Ebele Okobi <ebeleokobi@fb.com <mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com> > Cc: Watila Alex <awatila@yahoo.co.uk <mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT Bill is not going away they are not being honest. based on the views they have received they can recommend its withdrawal. regards, Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__overview.mail.yahoo.com_mobile_-3F.src-3DAndroid&d=CwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=BZxtaq8uB3fDkITH9MWyMaigfl_Ub9Yxp9hzPdF1JUY&s=c0QWcXg0iF8hJ9PpLKsOiIvnCwHvmCcuAUIJW2VaWm0&e=> On Mon, 1 Aug, 2016 at 9:50, Tony White via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > wrote: http://www.nation.co.ke/business/Our-hands-tied-in-ICT-Bill/996-3324824-5hai... <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.nation.co.ke_business_Our-2Dhands-2Dtied-2Din-2DICT-2DBill_996-2D3324824-2D5haiq1_index.html&d=CwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=BZxtaq8uB3fDkITH9MWyMaigfl_Ub9Yxp9hzPdF1JUY&s=zOWuhu_gDOEWte3yGoN03JKtk9YhvqV_48EsZnao4vA&e=> We need a proper public consultation on this, in the same way as the current Cybercrimes bill, and the recent ICT policy. Just another thought that has not so far been raised: Engineers are also 'ICT Practitioners', so are some lawyers, so are some doctors, so are many other professions, which each already have their own registration. 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The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jgitau%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- **Gitau _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/nmutungu%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. 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John That's incorrect. Lots of engagement with parliament and sector players has happened. I think for the first time we are seeing a concerted effort across the industry to kill this bill. Progress is being made. Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad
On 1 Aug 2016, at 12:11 PM, John Gitau via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
For this particular ICT bill. No known engagement has happened.
Jgitau
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Ebele Okobi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Apologies in advance for my ignorance-What kind of formal or informal engagement has happened related to the ICT bill?
From: kictanet <kictanet-bounces+ebeleokobi=fb.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke> on behalf of Watila Alex via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Reply-To: "awatila@yahoo.co.uk" <awatila@yahoo.co.uk>, KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, August 1, 2016 at 8:08 AM To: Ebele Okobi <ebeleokobi@fb.com> Cc: Watila Alex <awatila@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT Bill is not going away
they are not being honest.
based on the views they have received they can recommend its withdrawal.
regards,
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
On Mon, 1 Aug, 2016 at 9:50, Tony White via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: http://www.nation.co.ke/business/Our-hands-tied-in-ICT-Bill/996-3324824-5hai...
We need a proper public consultation on this, in the same way as the current Cybercrimes bill, and the recent ICT policy.
Just another thought that has not so far been raised: Engineers are also 'ICT Practitioners', so are some lawyers, so are some doctors, so are many other professions, which each already have their own registration. So they now must ALSO be registered as ICT practitioners?
-- Tony White
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Alex Watila -
Ali Hussein -
Barrack Otieno -
Ebele Okobi -
Elizabeth Rossiello -
Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) -
John Gitau -
Tony White -
Watila Alex