Re: [kictanet] 1 million Laptops for who?
Mr Robert, I read the article in the papers yesterday and couldn’t help but echo some of your questions on this mail list that unfortunately have not yet been responded to. Of key interest is the following: Whats the plan for procurement? tender or 'donated'? To me this is a perfect opportunity to set up a partnership for local assembly with any of the big boys - Acer, Dell, HP etc to set up an assembly plant with a 2 year clear handover to Kenyans, part of the deal should have initial 80% local employment with clear skill transfer built in so that in 18 months you have 99% local employment at the plant. Do the math 1,000,000*40,000 kshs ( assumed price) = Lots of money. This is a deal that anyone would salivate for. Will the computers have MS Office or Linux - Again do the math as its likely to be the former. What about capacity building? Planned for or just wish ful thinking? Was there a need analysis carried out to determine that it is indeed Laptops required? So to me procurement of laptops should never be an option. As we already have the madaraka project in place, why not up skill and upscale this to meet this demand for the 1 million laptops. Or is Madaraka over? Secondly , the target group, I think you have it right, whats this about 'rural'? What is rural in Kenya? is it Turkana, Marsabit, Wajir, Nyeri, Malindi, Kibira? We need a clear cut definition and probably a sector by sector prioritization based on Vision 2030 and logically what will reap benefit to the Kenyan economy. Don’t get me wrong we must develop Kenyans consistently with a strong plan not hide behind the Rural Urban divide. I raise some of these concerns because last week I was eavesdropping on a launch at one of our Key hotels in Kenya . A Major computer chip manufacturer was launching their East African offices. They showcased their effort being a certain school in Nairobi having received some special student laptops and the school was showing how learning was improved. All good, but the purpose of the Launch? To make an appeal to the PS MOE to consider 'partnering' with this company to sell 240,000 laptops to the teachers in Kenya( wow I thought what a marketing gimic is this how it’s done?)Will this lead to a pronounce from MOE of some 240,000 Laptops for teachers???? Hook and bait? Anything further than this would be speculation. I agree teachers need laptops (computers maybe), but once again can we plan collectively as a government to work in unison and benefit locals on employment and empowerment? It CAN be done. Which brings me to the reason for this email. Shouldnt there be some kinds of checks and balances in place in our Ministries? Is there a way that 'we' can be involved before some of these utterances are made? We have two PS's of different Ministries each thinking along the same paths both with good ideas, but I worry on the path to execution. Of these 1 million Laptops Ndemo speaks of - what percentage for his fellow teachers? Jua Kali artisans?, Medical students. Is there a master plan being followed? or is it pure chance ? Dr Ndemo,I am sure there is a simple enough response to the queries raised above. I sincerely hope you will take the time to respond, and put my mind and probably others as well? at rest. Ms. Basly. ______________________________________________________________________ Hi Dr. Ndemo,I felt it would not be fair to close the year with one final outburst on your ministries policies.It was good to see that the governement will be giving laptops to youth in the rural area. http://www.nation.co.ke/business/news/-/1006/499894/-/jh30hdz/-/index.html Last time I checked 80% of the students in the University are from the "rural areas" would it not make more sense to first equip them with the necessary tools. I recently talked to IT degree students at Nairobi university and was shocked to find that less than 5% have computers dedicated to them and this are not provided by the institution but have been bought privately.It is good to talk of empowering the rural folk but is this the best way, should we not begin at the top and work our way down. This computers would also provide greater mileage if we example they where to be giving to to students in teacher training colleges so that they can take technology to the schools, country wide that they will be posted to after they graduate?Also do not forget the medical students who would be able to provide better medical services if they knew how to use and had access to the internet's resources.Another major issue that is lacking from the story is how the laptops are to be procured, is there any likelihood that they will be assembled locally as if they are we shall be killing to birds with 1 stone. 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Dear Faima Basly, You are asking good questions pessimistically. what I said is that we shall start a one Million lap top campaign early next year. In otherwords we want at least one million laptops/notebooks in the hands of Kenyans from all walks of life. The strategy is to partner with whoever aligns themselves with our main policy direction - to lower the cost of accessing technology in Kenya - and specifically encouraging local assembly in order to develop capacity. Government has no intention of making any procurement arrangement for the public. This is private sector work. Ours is to facilitate. If Intel lowers cost for Laptops chips as part of of our camapign and they intend to do that, that is good since that will benefit all assemblers. We are looking at the issue from a macro level as we want as many Kenyans access technology. We are pretty sure Broadband would be affordable in less than one year from today. Having broadband will make every Kenyan a clerk but indeed help many to participate in the global economy. Asante. Ndemo.
Mr Robert,
I read the article in the papers yesterday and couldnt help but echo some of your questions on this mail list that unfortunately have not yet been responded to.
Of key interest is the following:
Whats the plan for procurement? tender or 'donated'? To me this is a perfect opportunity to set up a partnership for local assembly with any of the big boys - Acer, Dell, HP etc to set up an assembly plant with a 2 year clear handover to Kenyans, part of the deal should have initial 80% local employment with clear skill transfer built in so that in 18 months you have 99% local employment at the plant. Do the math 1,000,000*40,000 kshs ( assumed price) = Lots of money. This is a deal that anyone would salivate for. Will the computers have MS Office or Linux - Again do the math as its likely to be the former. What about capacity building? Planned for or just wish ful thinking? Was there a need analysis carried out to determine that it is indeed Laptops required?
So to me procurement of laptops should never be an option. As we already have the madaraka project in place, why not up skill and upscale this to meet this demand for the 1 million laptops. Or is Madaraka over?
Secondly , the target group, I think you have it right, whats this about 'rural'? What is rural in Kenya? is it Turkana, Marsabit, Wajir, Nyeri, Malindi, Kibira? We need a clear cut definition and probably a sector by sector prioritization based on Vision 2030 and logically what will reap benefit to the Kenyan economy. Dont get me wrong we must develop Kenyans consistently with a strong plan not hide behind the Rural Urban divide. I raise some of these concerns because last week I was eavesdropping on a launch at one of our Key hotels in Kenya . A Major computer chip manufacturer was launching their East African offices. They showcased their effort being a certain school in Nairobi having received some special student laptops and the school was showing how learning was improved. All good, but the purpose of the Launch? To make an appeal to the PS MOE to consider 'partnering' with this company to sell 240,000 laptops to the teachers in Kenya( wow I thought what a marketing gimic is this how its done?)Will this lead to a pronounce from MOE of some 240,000 Laptops for teachers???? Hook and bait? Anything further than this would be speculation.
I agree teachers need laptops (computers maybe), but once again can we plan collectively as a government to work in unison and benefit locals on employment and empowerment? It CAN be done.
Which brings me to the reason for this email.
Shouldnt there be some kinds of checks and balances in place in our Ministries? Is there a way that 'we' can be involved before some of these utterances are made?
We have two PS's of different Ministries each thinking along the same paths both with good ideas, but I worry on the path to execution. Of these 1 million Laptops Ndemo speaks of - what percentage for his fellow teachers? Jua Kali artisans?, Medical students. Is there a master plan being followed? or is it pure chance ?
Dr Ndemo,I am sure there is a simple enough response to the queries raised above. I sincerely hope you will take the time to respond, and put my mind and probably others as well? at rest.
Ms. Basly.
______________________________________________________________________
Hi Dr. Ndemo,I felt it would not be fair to close the year with one final outburst on your ministries policies.It was good to see that the governement will be giving laptops to youth in the rural area. http://www.nation.co.ke/business/news/-/1006/499894/-/jh30hdz/-/index.html Last time I checked 80% of the students in the University are from the "rural areas" would it not make more sense to first equip them with the necessary tools. I recently talked to IT degree students at Nairobi university and was shocked to find that less than 5% have computers dedicated to them and this are not provided by the institution but have been bought privately.It is good to talk of empowering the rural folk but is this the best way, should we not begin at the top and work our way down. This computers would also provide greater mileage if we example they where to be giving to to students in teacher training colleges so that they can take technology to the schools, country wide that they will be posted to after they graduate?Also do not forget the medical students who would be able to provide better medical services if they knew how to use and had access to the internet's resources.Another major issue that is lacking from the story is how the laptops are to be procured, is there any likelihood that they will be assembled locally as if they are we shall be killing to birds with 1 stone. Robert YaweKAY System Technologies LtdPhoenix House, 6th FloorP O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Check out the story... http://www.eastandard.net/InsidePage.php?id=1144001505&cid=4& I downloaded the bill @ http://www.information.go.ke/docs/DRAFT%20ICT%20BILL%202008.pdf but failed to see the contentious clause on raiding media houses ( could i be reading an older version?) What interested me however (and Skunkers?) was the clause on hacking - it is now extremely expensive to hack into a system:-300,000Ksh penalty and/or three years in prison. But it may be too soon to worry - I doubt if our capacity to investigate, collect & preserve digital evidence as well as succesfully prosecute eCrime will be upto the task...I mean last I heard was a learned friend (and many other highly qualified professionals) thinking that a digital signature was a scanned handwritten signature :-(! walu.
Walu, You are fortunate to have access to the draft bill (even if an older version) to verify the clauses. How many Kenyans are that fortunate? Most Kenyans are relying on the media to tell them what the clauses are. But what the media is doing is give its own biased interpretations of the clauses thus obscuring objectivity. If the media was impartial as they claim they are (part of the requirements of the Bill is that they give both sides of a story - a good thing, in my view), why can't they publish the Bill entirely as they did with the Waki Report so that Kenyans can decide for themselves whether the laws are draconian or otherwise; whether it is a sad day for the Press or a happy day for the public? Jotham K. Mwale --- On Thu, 12/11/08, John Walubengo <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: From: John Walubengo <jwalu@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Sad day for Press and hackers? To: jokilimo@yahoo.com Cc: "skunk" <skunkworks@my.co.ke>, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 1:33 AM Check out the story... http://www.eastandard.net/InsidePage.php?id=1144001505&cid=4& I downloaded the bill @ http://www.information.go.ke/docs/DRAFT%20ICT%20BILL%202008.pdf but failed to see the contentious clause on raiding media houses ( could i be reading an older version?) What interested me however (and Skunkers?) was the clause on hacking - it is now extremely expensive to hack into a system:-300,000Ksh penalty and/or three years in prison. But it may be too soon to worry - I doubt if our capacity to investigate, collect & preserve digital evidence as well as succesfully prosecute eCrime will be upto the task...I mean last I heard was a learned friend (and many other highly qualified professionals) thinking that a digital signature was a scanned handwritten signature :-(! walu. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: jokilimo@yahoo.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jokilimo%40yahoo.com
Hi Dr. Ndemo, Yet another of your safe answers to a very tricky question. So we will you be organising a session with "private sector" to plan the way forward? Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 10 December, 2008 20:42:00 Subject: Re: [kictanet] 1 million Laptops for who? Dear Faima Basly, You are asking good questions pessimistically. what I said is that we shall start a one Million lap top campaign early next year. In otherwords we want at least one million laptops/notebooks in the hands of Kenyans from all walks of life. The strategy is to partner with whoever aligns themselves with our main policy direction - to lower the cost of accessing technology in Kenya - and specifically encouraging local assembly in order to develop capacity. Government has no intention of making any procurement arrangement for the public. This is private sector work. Ours is to facilitate. If Intel lowers cost for Laptops chips as part of of our camapign and they intend to do that, that is good since that will benefit all assemblers. We are looking at the issue from a macro level as we want as many Kenyans access technology. We are pretty sure Broadband would be affordable in less than one year from today. Having broadband will make every Kenyan a clerk but indeed help many to participate in the global economy. Asante. Ndemo.
Mr Robert,
I read the article in the papers yesterday and couldn’t help but echo some of your questions on this mail list that unfortunately have not yet been responded to.
Of key interest is the following:
Whats the plan for procurement? tender or 'donated'? To me this is a perfect opportunity to set up a partnership for local assembly with any of the big boys - Acer, Dell, HP etc to set up an assembly plant with a 2 year clear handover to Kenyans, part of the deal should have initial 80% local employment with clear skill transfer built in so that in 18 months you have 99% local employment at the plant. Do the math 1,000,000*40,000 kshs ( assumed price) = Lots of money. This is a deal that anyone would salivate for. Will the computers have MS Office or Linux - Again do the math as its likely to be the former. What about capacity building? Planned for or just wish ful thinking? Was there a need analysis carried out to determine that it is indeed Laptops required?
So to me procurement of laptops should never be an option. As we already have the madaraka project in place, why not up skill and upscale this to meet this demand for the 1 million laptops. Or is Madaraka over?
Secondly , the target group, I think you have it right, whats this about 'rural'? What is rural in Kenya? is it Turkana, Marsabit, Wajir, Nyeri, Malindi, Kibira? We need a clear cut definition and probably a sector by sector prioritization based on Vision 2030 and logically what will reap benefit to the Kenyan economy. Don’t get me wrong we must develop Kenyans consistently with a strong plan not hide behind the Rural Urban divide. I raise some of these concerns because last week I was eavesdropping on a launch at one of our Key hotels in Kenya . A Major computer chip manufacturer was launching their East African offices. They showcased their effort being a certain school in Nairobi having received some special student laptops and the school was showing how learning was improved. All good, but the purpose of the Launch? To make an appeal to the PS MOE to consider 'partnering' with this company to sell 240,000 laptops to the teachers in Kenya( wow I thought what a marketing gimic is this how it’s done?)Will this lead to a pronounce from MOE of some 240,000 Laptops for teachers???? Hook and bait? Anything further than this would be speculation.
I agree teachers need laptops (computers maybe), but once again can we plan collectively as a government to work in unison and benefit locals on employment and empowerment? It CAN be done.
Which brings me to the reason for this email.
Shouldnt there be some kinds of checks and balances in place in our Ministries? Is there a way that 'we' can be involved before some of these utterances are made?
We have two PS's of different Ministries each thinking along the same paths both with good ideas, but I worry on the path to execution. Of these 1 million Laptops Ndemo speaks of - what percentage for his fellow teachers? Jua Kali artisans?, Medical students. Is there a master plan being followed? or is it pure chance ?
Dr Ndemo,I am sure there is a simple enough response to the queries raised above. I sincerely hope you will take the time to respond, and put my mind and probably others as well? at rest.
Ms. Basly.
______________________________________________________________________
Hi Dr. Ndemo,I felt it would not be fair to close the year with one final outburst on your ministries policies.It was good to see that the governement will be giving laptops to youth in the rural area. http://www.nation.co.ke/business/news/-/1006/499894/-/jh30hdz/-/index.html Last time I checked 80% of the students in the University are from the "rural areas" would it not make more sense to first equip them with the necessary tools. I recently talked to IT degree students at Nairobi university and was shocked to find that less than 5% have computers dedicated to them and this are not provided by the institution but have been bought privately.It is good to talk of empowering the rural folk but is this the best way, should we not begin at the top and work our way down. This computers would also provide greater mileage if we example they where to be giving to to students in teacher training colleges so that they can take technology to the schools, country wide that they will be posted to after they graduate?Also do not forget the medical students who would be able to provide better medical services if they knew how to use and had access to the internet's resources.Another major issue that is lacking from the story is how the laptops are to be procured, is there any likelihood that they will be assembled locally as if they are we shall be killing to birds with 1 stone. Robert YaweKAY System Technologies LtdPhoenix House, 6th FloorP O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Guys, You have just lost me completely.Could you please make this clear Do you mean the Minsitry of information and Communication does not have the capacity to provide the one million laptops which the private sector has ? if yes why does the ministry of information needs to facilitate the provision of the one million laptops to kenya byn the private sector? is the private sectors missing capacity to facilitate this? or this is 50-50 participation from both Government and the private sector as ameans to providing ICT to all kenyas ? Regards. Loa ________________________________ From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> To: jlobore@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:53:24 PM Subject: [kictanet] 1 million Laptops for who? Hi Dr. Ndemo, Yet another of your safe answers to a very tricky question. So we will you be organising a session with "private sector" to plan the way forward? Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo..co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 10 December, 2008 20:42:00 Subject: Re: [kictanet] 1 million Laptops for who? Dear Faima Basly, You are asking good questions pessimistically. what I said is that we shall start a one Million lap top campaign early next year. In otherwords we want at least one million laptops/notebooks in the hands of Kenyans from all walks of life.. The strategy is to partner with whoever aligns themselves with our main policy direction - to lower the cost of accessing technology in Kenya - and specifically encouraging local assembly in order to develop capacity. Government has no intention of making any procurement arrangement for the public. This is private sector work. Ours is to facilitate. If Intel lowers cost for Laptops chips as part of of our camapign and they intend to do that, that is good since that will benefit all assemblers. We are looking at the issue from a macro level as we want as many Kenyans access technology. We are pretty sure Broadband would be affordable in less than one year from today. Having broadband will make every Kenyan a clerk but indeed help many to participate in the global economy. Asante. Ndemo.
Mr Robert,
I read the article in the papers yesterday and couldn’t help but echo some of your questions on this mail list that unfortunately have not yet been responded to.
Of key interest is the following:
Whats the plan for procurement? tender or 'donated'? To me this is a perfect opportunity to set up a partnership for local assembly with any of the big boys - Acer, Dell, HP etc to set up an assembly plant with a 2 year clear handover to Kenyans, part of the deal should have initial 80% local employment with clear skill transfer built in so that in 18 months you have 99% local employment at the plant. Do the math 1,000,000*40,000 kshs ( assumed price) = Lots of money. This is a deal that anyone would salivate for. Will the computers have MS Office or Linux - Again do the math as its likely to be the former. What about capacity building? Planned for or just wish ful thinking? Was there a need analysis carried out to determine that it is indeed Laptops required?
So to me procurement of laptops should never be an option. As we already have the madaraka project in place, why not up skill and upscale this to meet this demand for the 1 million laptops. Or is Madaraka over?
Secondly , the target group, I think you have it right, whats this about 'rural'? What is rural in Kenya? is it Turkana, Marsabit, Wajir, Nyeri, Malindi, Kibira? We need a clear cut definition and probably a sector by sector prioritization based on Vision 2030 and logically what will reap benefit to the Kenyan economy. Don’t get me wrong we must develop Kenyans consistently with a strong plan not hide behind the Rural Urban divide. I raise some of these concerns because last week I was eavesdropping on a launch at one of our Key hotels in Kenya . A Major computer chip manufacturer was launching their East African offices. They showcased their effort being a certain school in Nairobi having received some special student laptops and the school was showing how learning was improved. All good, but the purpose of the Launch? To make an appeal to the PS MOE to consider 'partnering' with this company to sell 240,000 laptops to the teachers in Kenya( wow I thought what a marketing gimic is this how it’s done?)Will this lead to a pronounce from MOE of some 240,000 Laptops for teachers???? Hook and bait? Anything further than this would be speculation.
I agree teachers need laptops (computers maybe), but once again can we plan collectively as a government to work in unison and benefit locals on employment and empowerment? It CAN be done.
Which brings me to the reason for this email.
Shouldnt there be some kinds of checks and balances in place in our Ministries? Is there a way that 'we' can be involved before some of these utterances are made?
We have two PS's of different Ministries each thinking along the same paths both with good ideas, but I worry on the path to execution. Of these 1 million Laptops Ndemo speaks of - what percentage for his fellow teachers? Jua Kali artisans?, Medical students.. Is there a master plan being followed? or is it pure chance ?
Dr Ndemo,I am sure there is a simple enough response to the queries raised above. I sincerely hope you will take the time to respond, and put my mind and probably others as well? at rest.
Ms. Basly.
______________________________________________________________________
Hi Dr. Ndemo,I felt it would not be fair to close the year with one final outburst on your ministries policies.It was good to see that the governement will be giving laptops to youth in the rural area.. http://www.nation.co.ke/business/news/-/1006/499894/-/jh30hdz/-/index..html Last time I checked 80% of the students in the University are from the "rural areas" would it not make more sense to first equip them with the necessary tools. I recently talked to IT degree students at Nairobi university and was shocked to find that less than 5% have computers dedicated to them and this are not provided by the institution but have been bought privately.It is good to talk of empowering the rural folk but is this the best way, should we not begin at the top and work our way down. This computers would also provide greater mileage if we example they where to be giving to to students in teacher training colleges so that they can take technology to the schools, country wide that they will be posted to after they graduate?Also do not forget the medical students who would be able to provide better medical services if they knew how to use and had access to the internet's resources.Another major issue that is lacking from the story is how the laptops are to be procured, is there any likelihood that they will be assembled locally as if they are we shall be killing to birds with 1 stone. Robert YaweKAY System Technologies LtdPhoenix House, 6th FloorP O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Seems you are missing the point. One principal role of Government is to set/define a policy agenda. This can be interpreted as a policy statement. A definition follows: "A policy is a deliberate plan of action to guide decisions and achieve rational outcome(s). The term may apply to government, private sector organizations and groups, and individuals. ..." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Policy<http://www.google.co.ke/url?sa=X&start=3&oi=define&q=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Policy&usg=AFQjCNEycuB7SO25OFEg-TdVo3Esy5O-LQ> or A broad course of action or statements of guidance adopted by the government at the national level in pursuit of national objectives http://www.answers.com/topic/national-policy Essentially policy is necessary as a foundation against which other actors, both state and non-state can align their priorities, set their strategies, coordinate and collaborate for the fulfilment of the policy's stated objectives. One of KICTANET's main roles is to facilitate open dialogue on policy issues - and where necessary undertake interventions as necessary to provoke action. The vision of a connected Kenya - driven by an empowered information society which includes citizens from all walks of life including those who are disadvantaged due to gender, domicile (rural, underserved), disabilities and others - is an ideal to which KICTANET encourages all participants to aim towards. It is our hope that we can build this vision, one block at a time. This is why we encourage positive contributions, objective criticism and constructive dialogue. Regards, Brian 2008/12/11 Lobore Junior <jlobore@yahoo.com>
Guys,
You have just lost me completely.Could you please make this clear
Do you mean the Minsitry of information and Communication does not have the capacity to provide the one million laptops which the private sector has ? if yes why does the ministry of information needs to facilitate the provision of the one million laptops to kenya byn the private sector? is the private sectors missing capacity to facilitate this?
or this is 50-50 participation from both Government and the private sector as ameans to providing ICT to all kenyas ?
Regards.
Loa
------------------------------ *From:* robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> *To:* jlobore@yahoo.com *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:53:24 PM *Subject:* [kictanet] 1 million Laptops for who?
Hi Dr. Ndemo,
Yet another of your safe answers to a very tricky question.
So we will you be organising a session with "private sector" to plan the way forward?
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
------------------------------ *From:* "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Wednesday, 10 December, 2008 20:42:00 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] 1 million Laptops for who?
Dear Faima Basly, You are asking good questions pessimistically. what I said is that we shall start a one Million lap top campaign early next year. In otherwords we want at least one million laptops/notebooks in the hands of Kenyans from all walks of life. The strategy is to partner with whoever aligns themselves with our main policy direction - to lower the cost of accessing technology in Kenya - and specifically encouraging local assembly in order to develop capacity. Government has no intention of making any procurement arrangement for the public.. This is private sector work. Ours is to facilitate. If Intel lowers cost for Laptops chips as part of of our camapign and they intend to do that, that is good since that will benefit all assemblers.
We are looking at the issue from a macro level as we want as many Kenyans access technology. We are pretty sure Broadband would be affordable in less than one year from today. Having broadband will make every Kenyan a clerk but indeed help many to participate in the global economy.
Asante.
Ndemo.
Mr Robert,
I read the article in the papers yesterday and couldn't help but echo
of your questions on this mail list that unfortunately have not yet been responded to.
Of key interest is the following:
Whats the plan for procurement? tender or 'donated'? To me this is a perfect opportunity to set up a partnership for local assembly with any of the big boys - Acer, Dell, HP etc to set up an assembly plant with a 2 year clear handover to Kenyans, part of the deal should have initial 80% local employment with clear skill transfer built in so that in 18 months you have 99% local employment at the plant. Do the math 1,000,000*40,000 kshs ( assumed price) = Lots of money. This is a deal that anyone would salivate for. Will the computers have MS Office or Linux - Again do the math as its likely to be the former. What about capacity building? Planned for or just wish ful thinking? Was there a need analysis carried out to determine that it is indeed Laptops required?
So to me procurement of laptops should never be an option. As we already have the madaraka project in place, why not up skill and upscale this to meet this demand for the 1 million laptops. Or is Madaraka over?
Secondly , the target group, I think you have it right, whats this about 'rural'? What is rural in Kenya? is it Turkana, Marsabit, Wajir, Nyeri, Malindi, Kibira? We need a clear cut definition and probably a sector by sector prioritization based on Vision 2030 and logically what will reap benefit to the Kenyan economy. Don't get me wrong we must develop Kenyans consistently with a strong plan not hide behind the Rural Urban divide. I raise some of these concerns because last week I was eavesdropping on a launch at one of our Key hotels in Kenya . A Major computer chip manufacturer was launching their East African offices. They showcased their effort being a certain school in Nairobi having received some special student laptops and the school was showing how learning was improved. All good, but the purpose of the Launch? To make an appeal to the PS MOE to consider 'partnering' with this company to sell 240,000 laptops to the teachers in Kenya( wow I thought what a marketing gimic is this how it's done?)Will this lead to a pronounce from MOE of some 240,000 Laptops for teachers???? Hook and bait? Anything further than this would be speculation.
I agree teachers need laptops (computers maybe), but once again can we plan collectively as a government to work in unison and benefit locals on employment and empowerment? It CAN be done.
Which brings me to the reason for this email.
Shouldnt there be some kinds of checks and balances in place in our Ministries? Is there a way that 'we' can be involved before some of these utterances are made?
We have two PS's of different Ministries each thinking along the same paths both with good ideas, but I worry on the path to execution. Of
some these
1 million Laptops Ndemo speaks of - what percentage for his fellow teachers? Jua Kali artisans?, Medical students. Is there a master plan being followed? or is it pure chance ?
Dr Ndemo,I am sure there is a simple enough response to the queries raised above. I sincerely hope you will take the time to respond, and put my mind and probably others as well? at rest.
Ms. Basly.
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Hi Dr. Ndemo,I felt it would not be fair to close the year with one final outburst on your ministries policies.It was good to see that the governement will be giving laptops to youth in the rural area.
Last time I checked 80% of the students in the University are from the "rural areas" would it not make more sense to first equip them with the necessary tools. I recently talked to IT degree students at Nairobi university and was shocked to find that less than 5% have computers dedicated to them and this are not provided by the institution but have been bought privately.It is good to talk of empowering the rural folk but is this the best way, should we not begin at the top and work our way down. This computers would also provide greater mileage if we example they where to be giving to to students in teacher training colleges so that they can take technology to the schools, country wide that they will be posted to after they graduate?Also do not forget the medical students who would be able to provide better medical services if they knew how to use and had access to the internet's resources.Another major issue that is lacking from the story is how the laptops are to be procured, is there any likelihood that they will be assembled locally as if they are we shall be killing to birds with 1 stone. Robert YaweKAY System Technologies LtdPhoenix House, 6th FloorP O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Dear Mr Brian, Thank you for the explanation on policy, I think the point here is not on the policy per se, but the plan of action. I am sure even Policies require one? Its all very well to talk of a connected Kenya and launch a 1 million laptop facilitation policy. I think that Laptops will be the 3rd or 4th tier of this policy realization, wont you agree? Its like starting off by icing a cake, then gathering the ingredients to bake it. Icing ( laptops) can easily be decided by the contents of the cake ( ingredients required to make an edible cake) Its a simple example , the mail sent to Mr Ndemo was simply seeking to understand the ingredients that concluded what icing we needed this is all. For real developement to the rural areas - there are issues of energy, Infrastructure, capacity building ( ICT) , Human resource planning ( through education system right through to degree programs offered at Uni level). One can easily say that the last stage mentioned is not necessary but ideal, but 1 milliion laptops to rural folk is too blanket a policy statement to get loud ayes from some of us without a G Plan. I dont plan to take on Dr Ndemo or anyone else regarding this thread but for Policy to arise it must come forwad for facilitation purpose, to open up a new area, regulate an exisitng ,market , liberalize it etc etc. I certainly dont get that impression from the article in the papers nor the response therafter. Hence the questions raised. Ms. Basly Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:27:34 +0530From: blongwe@gmail.comSubject: Re: [kictanet] 1 million Laptops for who?CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.keTo: basly1@hotmail.comSeems you are missing the point. One principal role of Government is to set/define a policy agenda. This can be interpreted as a policy statement. A definition follows:"A policy is a deliberate plan of action to guide decisions and achieve rational outcome(s). The term may apply to government, private sector organizations and groups, and individuals. ..."en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Policyor A broad course of action or statements of guidance adopted by the government at the national level in pursuit of national objectiveshttp://www.answers.com/topic/national-policyEssentially policy is necessary as a foundation against which other actors, both state and non-state can align their priorities, set their strategies, coordinate and collaborate for the fulfilment of the policy's stated objectives.One of KICTANET's main roles is to facilitate open dialogue on policy issues - and where necessary undertake interventions as necessary to provoke action.The vision of a connected Kenya - driven by an empowered information society which includes citizens from all walks of life including those who are disadvantaged due to gender, domicile (rural, underserved), disabilities and others - is an ideal to which KICTANET encourages all participants to aim towards.It is our hope that we can build this vision, one block at a time.This is why we encourage positive contributions, objective criticism and constructive dialogue.Regards,Brian 2008/12/11 Lobore Junior <jlobore@yahoo.com> Guys, You have just lost me completely.Could you please make this clear Do you mean the Minsitry of information and Communication does not have the capacity to provide the one million laptops which the private sector has ? if yes why does the ministry of information needs to facilitate the provision of the one million laptops to kenya byn the private sector? is the private sectors missing capacity to facilitate this? or this is 50-50 participation from both Government and the private sector as ameans to providing ICT to all kenyas ? Regards. Loa From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>To: jlobore@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:53:24 PMSubject: [kictanet] 1 million Laptops for who? Hi Dr. Ndemo, Yet another of your safe answers to a very tricky question. So we will you be organising a session with "private sector" to plan the way forward? Regards Robert YaweKAY System Technologies LtdPhoenix House, 6th FloorP O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke>To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.ukCc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>Sent: Wednesday, 10 December, 2008 20:42:00Subject: Re: [kictanet] 1 million Laptops for who?Dear Faima Basly,You are asking good questions pessimistically. what I said is that weshall start a one Million lap top campaign early next year. In otherwordswe want at least one million laptops/notebooks in the hands of Kenyansfrom all walks of life. The strategy is to partner with whoever alignsthemselves with our main policy direction - to lower the cost of accessingtechnology in Kenya - and specifically encouraging local assembly in orderto develop capacity. Government has no intention of making anyprocurement arrangement for the public.. This is private sector work. Ours is to facilitate. If Intel lowers cost for Laptops chips as part ofof our camapign and they intend to do that, that is good since that willbenefit all assemblers.We are looking at the issue from a macro level as we want as many Kenyansaccess technology. We are pretty sure Broadband would be affordable inless than one year from today. Having broadband will make every Kenyan aclerk but indeed help many to participate in the global economy.Asante.Ndemo.>> Mr Robert,>> I read the article in the papers yesterday and couldn't help but echo some> of your questions on this mail list that unfortunately have not yet been> responded to.>> Of key interest is the following:>> Whats the plan for procurement? tender or 'donated'? To me this is a> perfect opportunity to set up a partnership for local assembly with any of> the big boys - Acer, Dell, HP etc to set up an assembly plant with a 2> year clear handover to Kenyans, part of the deal should have initial 80%> local employment with clear skill transfer built in so that in 18 months> you have 99% local employment at the plant. Do the math 1,000,000*40,000> kshs ( assumed price) = Lots of money. This is a deal that anyone would> salivate for.> Will the computers have MS Office or Linux - Again do the math as its> likely to be the former.> What about capacity building? Planned for or just wish ful thinking?> Was there a need analysis carried out to determine that it is indeed> Laptops required?>> So to me procurement of laptops should never be an option. As we already> have the madaraka project in place, why not up skill and upscale this to> meet this demand for the 1 million laptops. Or is Madaraka over?>> Secondly , the target group, I think you have it right, whats this about> 'rural'? What is rural in Kenya? is it Turkana, Marsabit, Wajir, Nyeri,> Malindi, Kibira? We need a clear cut definition and probably a sector by> sector prioritization based on Vision 2030 and logically what will reap> benefit to the Kenyan economy. Don't get me wrong we must develop Kenyans> consistently with a strong plan not hide behind the Rural Urban divide.> I raise some of these concerns because last week I was eavesdropping on a> launch at one of our Key hotels in Kenya . A Major computer chip> manufacturer was launching their East African offices. They showcased> their effort being a certain school in Nairobi having received some> special student laptops and the school was showing how learning was> improved. All good, but the purpose of the Launch? To make an appeal to> the PS MOE to consider 'partnering' with this company to sell 240,000> laptops to the teachers in Kenya( wow I thought what a marketing gimic is> this how it's done?)Will this lead to a pronounce from MOE of some 240,000> Laptops for teachers???? Hook and bait? Anything further than this would> be speculation.>> I agree teachers need laptops (computers maybe), but once again can we> plan collectively as a government to work in unison and benefit locals on> employment and empowerment? It CAN be done.>> Which brings me to the reason for this email.>> Shouldnt there be some kinds of checks and balances in place in our> Ministries? Is there a way that 'we' can be involved before some of these> utterances are made?>> We have two PS's of different Ministries each thinking along the same> paths both with good ideas, but I worry on the path to execution. Of these> 1 million Laptops Ndemo speaks of - what percentage for his fellow> teachers? Jua Kali artisans?, Medical students. Is there a master plan> being followed? or is it pure chance ?>> Dr Ndemo,I am sure there is a simple enough response to the queries raised> above. I sincerely hope you will take the time to respond, and put my mind> and probably others as well? at rest.>> Ms. Basly.>>>>> ______________________________________________________________________>> Hi Dr. Ndemo,I felt it would not be fair to close the year with one final> outburst on your ministries policies.It was good to see that the> governement will be giving laptops to youth in the rural area.> http://www.nation.co.ke/business/news/-/1006/499894/-/jh30hdz/-/index.html> Last time I checked 80% of the students in the University are from the> "rural areas" would it not make more sense to first equip them with the> necessary tools. I recently talked to IT degree students at Nairobi> university and was shocked to find that less than 5% have computers> dedicated to them and this are not provided by the institution but have> been bought privately.It is good to talk of empowering the rural folk but> is this the best way, should we not begin at the top and work our way> down. This computers would also provide greater mileage if we example> they where to be giving to to students in teacher training colleges so> that they can take technology to the schools, country wide that they will> be posted to after they graduate?Also do not forget the medical students> who would be able to provide better medical services if they knew how to> use and had access to the internet's resources.Another major issue that is> lacking from the story is how the laptops are to be procured, is there any> likelihood that they will be assembled locally as if they are we shall be> killing to birds with 1 stone.> Robert YaweKAY System Technologies LtdPhoenix House, 6th FloorP O Box> 55806 Nairobi, 00200Kenya> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696>> _______________________________________________kictanet mailing> listkictanet@lists.kictanet.or.kehttp://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet> _________________________________________________________________> Discover the new Windows Vista> http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vista&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE> ----------------------------------------------> This message has been scanned for viruses and> dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is> believed to be clean.> ---------------------------------------------> "easy access to the world">> _______________________________________________> kictanet mailing list> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet>> This message was sent to: bitange@jambo.co.ke> Unsubscribe or change your options at> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke>---------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses anddangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and isbelieved to be clean.---------------------------------------------"easy access to the world" _______________________________________________kictanet mailing listkictanet@lists.kictanet.or.kehttp://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanetThis message was sent to: robertyawe@yahoo.co.ukUnsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.u... mailing listkictanet@lists.kictanet.or.kehttp://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanetThis message was sent to: blongwe@gmail.comUnsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/blongwe%40gmail.com-- Brian Munyao Longwee-mail: blongwe@gmail.comcell: + 254 722 518 744blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.commeta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. 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I think you are missing the point. The private sector is driven by profit motive. Profit is never defined but a partnership with a social slant always yields moderated profit especially when efforts are made to push significant volume. Cost of computers in Kenya are high because of volume and ignorance. Our previous campaign on cost reduction led to the removal of taxes on computers. There is still room for renewed campaign. If you cannot see our role in this exercise then I rest my case. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Lobore Junior <jlobore@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 04:26:38 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] 1 million Laptops for who? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: bitange@jambo.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke
Hi, What seems to be the issue here is that as you indicated the newpaper article was carelessly extracted from a larger presentation, may what we need is the context in which you made the statement so that we are in a better position to appreciate it. The concern of those who have aired their opinions is that the statement caused more questions and we are unable to see where it fits in in relation with the government wider objective on reducing the technology divide. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, 11 December, 2008 19:05:10 Subject: Re: [kictanet] 1 million Laptops for who? I think you are missing the point. The private sector is driven by profit motive. Profit is never defined but a partnership with a social slant always yields moderated profit especially when efforts are made to push significant volume. Cost of computers in Kenya are high because of volume and ignorance. Our previous campaign on cost reduction led to the removal of taxes on computers. There is still room for renewed campaign. If you cannot see our role in this exercise then I rest my case. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Lobore Junior <jlobore@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 04:26:38 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] 1 million Laptops for who? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: bitange@jambo.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.u...
Dear Yawe, We are into early stages of negotiation with a Chip manufacturer to put together a programme with local manufacturers to produce high quality low priced lap tops. Individual manufacturers cannot achieve the level of discount we intend to push. If you recall, it was not possible for one operator to bring fibre optuic here but with Government facilitation, we have been able to achieve our objectives. Similarly, it is not possible to have one manufacturer attain the level of volume discount we desire. The Government can facilitate their coming together either by providing some subsidies or partly guaranteeing credit from banks to buy computers. There are other macro interventions we are looking at to address the cost of accessing technology in Kenya. Much of this will come in the early part of the year. You are also welcome to make suggestions before we conretize any of the negotiations. regards Ndemo.
Hi,
What seems to be the issue here is that as you indicated the newpaper article was carelessly extracted from a larger presentation, may what we need is the context in which you made the statement so that we are in a better position to appreciate it.
The concern of those who have aired their opinions is that the statement caused more questions and we are unable to see where it fits in in relation with the government wider objective on reducing the technology divide.
Regards  Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, 11 December, 2008 19:05:10 Subject: Re: [kictanet] 1 million Laptops for who?
I think you are missing the point. The private sector is driven by profit motive. Profit is never defined but a partnership with a social slant always yields moderated profit especially when efforts are made to push significant volume. Cost of computers in Kenya are high because of volume and ignorance.
Our previous campaign on cost reduction led to the removal of taxes on computers. There is still room for renewed campaign. If you cannot see our role in this exercise then I rest my case.
Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Hi Loa, Exactly my point, can Dr. Ndemo give us a clarification on his statement, his response to my post was vague. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Lobore Junior <jlobore@yahoo.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, 11 December, 2008 15:26:38 Subject: Re: [kictanet] 1 million Laptops for who? Guys, You have just lost me completely.Could you please make this clear Do you mean the Minsitry of information and Communication does not have the capacity to provide the one million laptops which the private sector has ? if yes why does the ministry of information needs to facilitate the provision of the one million laptops to kenya byn the private sector? is the private sectors missing capacity to facilitate this? or this is 50-50 participation from both Government and the private sector as ameans to providing ICT to all kenyas ? Regards. Loa ________________________________ From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> To: jlobore@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:53:24 PM Subject: [kictanet] 1 million Laptops for who? Hi Dr. Ndemo, Yet another of your safe answers to a very tricky question. So we will you be organising a session with "private sector" to plan the way forward? Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 10 December, 2008 20:42:00 Subject: Re: [kictanet] 1 million Laptops for who? Dear Faima Basly, You are asking good questions pessimistically. what I said is that we shall start a one Million lap top campaign early next year. In otherwords we want at least one million laptops/notebooks in the hands of Kenyans from all walks of life. The strategy is to partner with whoever aligns themselves with our main policy direction - to lower the cost of accessing technology in Kenya - and specifically encouraging local assembly in order to develop capacity. Government has no intention of making any procurement arrangement for the public.. This is private sector work. Ours is to facilitate. If Intel lowers cost for Laptops chips as part of of our camapign and they intend to do that, that is good since that will benefit all assemblers. We are looking at the issue from a macro level as we want as many Kenyans access technology. We are pretty sure Broadband would be affordable in less than one year from today. Having broadband will make every Kenyan a clerk but indeed help many to participate in the global economy. Asante. Ndemo.
Mr Robert,
I read the article in the papers yesterday and couldn’t help but echo some of your questions on this mail list that unfortunately have not yet been responded to.
Of key interest is the following:
Whats the plan for procurement? tender or 'donated'? To me this is a perfect opportunity to set up a partnership for local assembly with any of the big boys - Acer, Dell, HP etc to set up an assembly plant with a 2 year clear handover to Kenyans, part of the deal should have initial 80% local employment with clear skill transfer built in so that in 18 months you have 99% local employment at the plant. Do the math 1,000,000*40,000 kshs ( assumed price) = Lots of money. This is a deal that anyone would salivate for. Will the computers have MS Office or Linux - Again do the math as its likely to be the former. What about capacity building? Planned for or just wish ful thinking? Was there a need analysis carried out to determine that it is indeed Laptops required?
So to me procurement of laptops should never be an option. As we already have the madaraka project in place, why not up skill and upscale this to meet this demand for the 1 million laptops. Or is Madaraka over?
Secondly , the target group, I think you have it right, whats this about 'rural'? What is rural in Kenya? is it Turkana, Marsabit, Wajir, Nyeri, Malindi, Kibira? We need a clear cut definition and probably a sector by sector prioritization based on Vision 2030 and logically what will reap benefit to the Kenyan economy. Don’t get me wrong we must develop Kenyans consistently with a strong plan not hide behind the Rural Urban divide. I raise some of these concerns because last week I was eavesdropping on a launch at one of our Key hotels in Kenya . A Major computer chip manufacturer was launching their East African offices. They showcased their effort being a certain school in Nairobi having received some special student laptops and the school was showing how learning was improved. All good, but the purpose of the Launch? To make an appeal to the PS MOE to consider 'partnering' with this company to sell 240,000 laptops to the teachers in Kenya( wow I thought what a marketing gimic is this how it’s done?)Will this lead to a pronounce from MOE of some 240,000 Laptops for teachers???? Hook and bait? Anything further than this would be speculation.
I agree teachers need laptops (computers maybe), but once again can we plan collectively as a government to work in unison and benefit locals on employment and empowerment? It CAN be done.
Which brings me to the reason for this email.
Shouldnt there be some kinds of checks and balances in place in our Ministries? Is there a way that 'we' can be involved before some of these utterances are made?
We have two PS's of different Ministries each thinking along the same paths both with good ideas, but I worry on the path to execution. Of these 1 million Laptops Ndemo speaks of - what percentage for his fellow teachers? Jua Kali artisans?, Medical students. Is there a master plan being followed? or is it pure chance ?
Dr Ndemo,I am sure there is a simple enough response to the queries raised above. I sincerely hope you will take the time to respond, and put my mind and probably others as well? at rest.
Ms. Basly.
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Hi Dr. Ndemo,I felt it would not be fair to close the year with one final outburst on your ministries policies.It was good to see that the governement will be giving laptops to youth in the rural area. http://www.nation.co.ke/business/news/-/1006/499894/-/jh30hdz/-/index.html Last time I checked 80% of the students in the University are from the "rural areas" would it not make more sense to first equip them with the necessary tools. I recently talked to IT degree students at Nairobi university and was shocked to find that less than 5% have computers dedicated to them and this are not provided by the institution but have been bought privately.It is good to talk of empowering the rural folk but is this the best way, should we not begin at the top and work our way down. This computers would also provide greater mileage if we example they where to be giving to to students in teacher training colleges so that they can take technology to the schools, country wide that they will be posted to after they graduate?Also do not forget the medical students who would be able to provide better medical services if they knew how to use and had access to the internet's resources.Another major issue that is lacking from the story is how the laptops are to be procured, is there any likelihood that they will be assembled locally as if they are we shall be killing to birds with 1 stone. Robert YaweKAY System Technologies LtdPhoenix House, 6th FloorP O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Dear Yawe, I was addressing the private sector and challenged them that we are ready to provide the campaign leadership and we have already started to negotiate with major ICT organization for partnership. We are not forcing anyone to be part of this campaign. There isnt any cost to the Government. The newspapers picked the story from a public presentation. What is painful with this discussion are the insituations and putting more efforts on the negative. Have a nice Jamuhuri day. Regards Ndemo Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:53:24 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: [kictanet] 1 million Laptops for who? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: bitange@jambo.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke
Friends, Happy Jamhuri Day! 45 years of independence? The colonial system still stands and many are starving. Huge amounts of money have been spent on "policy" and "development", but somehow the children in my village still go hungry. While I understand that development takes time, it would take less time if the resources were distributed fairly. I have stood by Dr. Ndemo's side through thick and thin and prayed for him each day to realize the real power he has to make positive change. I have seen him use the example of my project in Sirisia as an example again and again. The barefoot mamas huddled around the solar powered computers. I have received no thanks or credit even when I was in the room, but I remained quiet and prayed, But this latest issue with the procurement of computers by the government not being part of their mandate is highway robbery. The Ministry of communications and Infomation applied for World Bank loans to assist in the development of ICT in Kenya. I have seen where a majority of these funds are going and they are not being spent in a ways that reach the intended target audience. The ICT Board recently held a conference at KICC on Local Content. The presentations were great. I learned about some amazing projects. One of the primary things I learned was that rural development and a concern with rural content generation is rhetoric. The majority of the budget of the Ministry of Communications and ICT Board is paying for two week trips to Silicon Valley, California and salaries, yet we have not seen the promised telecentres in each of the 210 constinencies. They were to be put into place last December. I have seen very little actual work and progress on the ground. If the mission of the ICT Board and the Ministry of Communications is truly socio-economic development it needs to focus more funding and effort on bringing access to information technology to the rural people who are suffering. Serve those with the most need first. The content the world needs to see from Kenya is held within these people. The wananchi. Kenya is bigger than Nairobi. To put the icing on the cake, on our independence day the Ministry of Communications puts forth a bill that puts a gag on Kenyans and refuses them the right to free speech. Don't Kenyans have rights? Is the UN Declaration of Human Rights not good enough for the Kenyan government? Mere suggestions? Stifling the people is not the answer. Putting control of the many in the hands of a few is oppressive and unjust. This is not a democracy. So Happy Jamhuri Day. It is also my 30th birthday. However, I do not thank the Ministry of Communciations and Information for their gift. I would rather have our rights. Asante sana. Crystal Kigoni On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 2:53 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Dr. Ndemo,
Yet another of your safe answers to a very tricky question.
So we will you be organising a session with "private sector" to plan the way forward?
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
------------------------------ *From:* "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Wednesday, 10 December, 2008 20:42:00 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] 1 million Laptops for who?
Dear Faima Basly, You are asking good questions pessimistically. what I said is that we shall start a one Million lap top campaign early next year. In otherwords we want at least one million laptops/notebooks in the hands of Kenyans from all walks of life. The strategy is to partner with whoever aligns themselves with our main policy direction - to lower the cost of accessing technology in Kenya - and specifically encouraging local assembly in order to develop capacity. Government has no intention of making any procurement arrangement for the public. This is private sector work. Ours is to facilitate. If Intel lowers cost for Laptops chips as part of of our camapign and they intend to do that, that is good since that will benefit all assemblers.
We are looking at the issue from a macro level as we want as many Kenyans access technology. We are pretty sure Broadband would be affordable in less than one year from today. Having broadband will make every Kenyan a clerk but indeed help many to participate in the global economy.
Asante.
Ndemo.
Mr Robert,
I read the article in the papers yesterday and couldn't help but echo
of your questions on this mail list that unfortunately have not yet been responded to.
Of key interest is the following:
Whats the plan for procurement? tender or 'donated'? To me this is a perfect opportunity to set up a partnership for local assembly with any of the big boys - Acer, Dell, HP etc to set up an assembly plant with a 2 year clear handover to Kenyans, part of the deal should have initial 80% local employment with clear skill transfer built in so that in 18 months you have 99% local employment at the plant. Do the math 1,000,000*40,000 kshs ( assumed price) = Lots of money. This is a deal that anyone would salivate for. Will the computers have MS Office or Linux - Again do the math as its likely to be the former. What about capacity building? Planned for or just wish ful thinking? Was there a need analysis carried out to determine that it is indeed Laptops required?
So to me procurement of laptops should never be an option. As we already have the madaraka project in place, why not up skill and upscale this to meet this demand for the 1 million laptops. Or is Madaraka over?
Secondly , the target group, I think you have it right, whats this about 'rural'? What is rural in Kenya? is it Turkana, Marsabit, Wajir, Nyeri, Malindi, Kibira? We need a clear cut definition and probably a sector by sector prioritization based on Vision 2030 and logically what will reap benefit to the Kenyan economy. Don't get me wrong we must develop Kenyans consistently with a strong plan not hide behind the Rural Urban divide. I raise some of these concerns because last week I was eavesdropping on a launch at one of our Key hotels in Kenya . A Major computer chip manufacturer was launching their East African offices. They showcased their effort being a certain school in Nairobi having received some special student laptops and the school was showing how learning was improved. All good, but the purpose of the Launch? To make an appeal to the PS MOE to consider 'partnering' with this company to sell 240,000 laptops to the teachers in Kenya( wow I thought what a marketing gimic is this how it's done?)Will this lead to a pronounce from MOE of some 240,000 Laptops for teachers???? Hook and bait? Anything further than this would be speculation.
I agree teachers need laptops (computers maybe), but once again can we plan collectively as a government to work in unison and benefit locals on employment and empowerment? It CAN be done.
Which brings me to the reason for this email.
Shouldnt there be some kinds of checks and balances in place in our Ministries? Is there a way that 'we' can be involved before some of these utterances are made?
We have two PS's of different Ministries each thinking along the same paths both with good ideas, but I worry on the path to execution. Of
some these
1 million Laptops Ndemo speaks of - what percentage for his fellow teachers? Jua Kali artisans?, Medical students. Is there a master plan being followed? or is it pure chance ?
Dr Ndemo,I am sure there is a simple enough response to the queries raised above. I sincerely hope you will take the time to respond, and put my mind and probably others as well? at rest.
Ms. Basly.
______________________________________________________________________
Hi Dr. Ndemo,I felt it would not be fair to close the year with one final outburst on your ministries policies.It was good to see that the governement will be giving laptops to youth in the rural area.
Last time I checked 80% of the students in the University are from the "rural areas" would it not make more sense to first equip them with the necessary tools. I recently talked to IT degree students at Nairobi university and was shocked to find that less than 5% have computers dedicated to them and this are not provided by the institution but have been bought privately.It is good to talk of empowering the rural folk but is this the best way, should we not begin at the top and work our way down. This computers would also provide greater mileage if we example they where to be giving to to students in teacher training colleges so that they can take technology to the schools, country wide that they will be posted to after they graduate?Also do not forget the medical students who would be able to provide better medical services if they knew how to use and had access to the internet's resources.Another major issue that is lacking from the story is how the laptops are to be procured, is there any likelihood that they will be assembled locally as if they are we shall be killing to birds with 1 stone. Robert YaweKAY System Technologies LtdPhoenix House, 6th FloorP O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Dear Crystal, I would be the first person to resign from my position if I know that we are putting forth a bad law. During the consultative fora I raised issues on the now contetious section 88 my intetion then and even today was to have it struck out. The stakeholders refused and because media had sent junior officials, we could not manage to remove it. Although it was not one of the substantive amendment, we asked that parliament strikes it out. MPs in their wisdom brought the sectiom back. If you know our legislative process, I have do not have power over parliament. I had hoped that media and Government could restrategize but instead media started propaganda and distorting facts at the same time inciting Kenyans to violence similar to what they did in january. As for the WB funds and computers, I shall have the Board's response. We have not procured any computers yet. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: "Crystal Watley" <crystal@voicesofafrica.org> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:01:11 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: <skunkworks@my.co.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] 1 million Laptops for who? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: bitange@jambo.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke
Dear Daktari Bitange, I understand where you are coming from especially the media ignoring that big chunk in section 88 that the 'gagging' only applies during a STATE OF EMERGENCY. To understand the magnitude of this term, even during the post election violence, the President never declared a state of emergency. Many ICT bills in Europe and the US have this provision especially after the Yugoslavia crisis. Particular reference I have in mind is Sweden where our Energy and Communication Committee of Parliament headed by Eng. James Rege visited less than a month ago. In my humble submission, I think we need a paradigm shift. It is no longer an issue of whether, we did our best in the stakeholder meetings or the media sent junior officers who did not have teeth to bite as you suggest. We do not have to get to a point where we need Koffi Anan to come and also mediate a crisis prompted by a bill recently passed in parliament. To be bold, its actually making a fool out of Kenyans. These Media guys are part and parcel of society, and besides the Executive, Judiciary and Parliament, the fourth estate lurks somewhere within but with no jurisdiction cast in any constitution of any country. We need to engage rather than apportion blame. Shelving the bill will just inculcate more anxiety in society. A small crisis at NCPB, such as flour getting finished when there are still a few hundreds lined to buy, can easily trigger a food riot as Egypt witnessed in 1984. And history will judge that the Media Bill prompted this. Its foolhardy to allow ourselves to get there. I suggest we solve this problem without letting the President have to make the decision of signing/not signing or shelving the bill since he relies on all Kenyans input before making a decisison of this magnitude. Let us also not forget that the bill also has significant clauses besides Section 88 that make alot of sense for us in the ICT industry. Business and Middleclass have always been blamed of watching as crisis unfold without contributing any tangible ideas in the thought process. The paradigm shift is that we (ICT) sit down with our brothers and sisters in Media, consider their grievances and come up with a middle ground to pass to the Minister for further consideration with His Excellency and then maybe bringing the bill back to parliament for consensus building. Conclusion: Its a no-brainer, we need to act now, or wait for Kofi Annan to come and solve another problem just becuase Kenyans cannot sit together. I, for one, volunteer to be be in the center of this process and be counted as part of the solution to this problem. On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 4:20 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Dear Crystal, I would be the first person to resign from my position if I know that we are putting forth a bad law. During the consultative fora I raised issues on the now contetious section 88 my intetion then and even today was to have it struck out. The stakeholders refused and because media had sent junior officials, we could not manage to remove it. Although it was not one of the substantive amendment, we asked that parliament strikes it out. MPs in their wisdom brought the sectiom back. If you know our legislative process, I have do not have power over parliament.
I had hoped that media and Government could restrategize but instead media started propaganda and distorting facts at the same time inciting Kenyans to violence similar to what they did in january.
As for the WB funds and computers, I shall have the Board's response. We have not procured any computers yet.
Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry(R)
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