MPs open probe on data expiry, Safaricom Bonga points
Parliament will probe telecommunications firms for imposing expiry dates on data bundles, airtime and loyalty programmes such as Safaricom’s Bonga Points, setting the stage for a fresh battle between the lawmakers and the operators. The National Assembly’s committee on Communications, Information and Innovation says it will also inquire into the widespread Internet speed throttling practice by internet service providers (ISPs). *Read more: * https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/bd/economy/mps-open-probe-on-data-expiry... *Victor Kapiyo* Partner | *Lawmark Partners LLP* *Suite No. 8, Centro House, Westlands, Nairobi | **Web: www.lawmark.co.ke <http://www.lawmark.co.ke> * ==================================================== *“Your attitude, not your aptitude, will determine your altitude” Zig Ziglar*
Good catch on throttling. Does anyone else experience different speeds when they buy different data bundles on Safaricom (especially with 'daily deals') or is that in the T&Cs? On Sun, Nov 27, 2022 at 4:57 PM Victor Kapiyo via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Parliament will probe telecommunications firms for imposing expiry dates on data bundles, airtime and loyalty programmes such as Safaricom’s Bonga Points, setting the stage for a fresh battle between the lawmakers and the operators.
The National Assembly’s committee on Communications, Information and Innovation says it will also inquire into the widespread Internet speed throttling practice by internet service providers (ISPs).
*Read more: * https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/bd/economy/mps-open-probe-on-data-expiry...
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Victor Thanks for sharing this. This is what happens when we lack a clear policy on Net Neutrality and the usage in general. What the lawmakers are doing is what we in Kiswahili call 'kutapatapa' or in English to be all over the place. Let this be something that we as an industry take up with the lawmakers and work with them to come up with solid policies to address this issue. Regards *Ali Hussein* Fintech | Digital Transformation Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim LinkedIn: Ali's Profile <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Sun, Nov 27, 2022 at 4:40 PM Victor Kapiyo via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Parliament will probe telecommunications firms for imposing expiry dates on data bundles, airtime and loyalty programmes such as Safaricom’s Bonga Points, setting the stage for a fresh battle between the lawmakers and the operators.
The National Assembly’s committee on Communications, Information and Innovation says it will also inquire into the widespread Internet speed throttling practice by internet service providers (ISPs).
*Read more: * https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/bd/economy/mps-open-probe-on-data-expiry...
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Should Internet Data Bundles Expire? This week’s article by Mr John Walubengo reviews the issues from the customers’, mobile operators, and regulatory (and legal) points of view. https://bit.ly/3ONagcU On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 11:22 AM Ali Hussein via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Victor
Thanks for sharing this. This is what happens when we lack a clear policy on Net Neutrality and the usage in general. What the lawmakers are doing is what we in Kiswahili call 'kutapatapa' or in English to be all over the place.
Let this be something that we as an industry take up with the lawmakers and work with them to come up with solid policies to address this issue.
Regards
*Ali Hussein*
Fintech | Digital Transformation
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On Sun, Nov 27, 2022 at 4:40 PM Victor Kapiyo via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Parliament will probe telecommunications firms for imposing expiry dates on data bundles, airtime and loyalty programmes such as Safaricom’s Bonga Points, setting the stage for a fresh battle between the lawmakers and the operators.
The National Assembly’s committee on Communications, Information and Innovation says it will also inquire into the widespread Internet speed throttling practice by internet service providers (ISPs).
*Read more: * https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/bd/economy/mps-open-probe-on-data-expiry...
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I agree with @John Walubengo <jwalubengo@kictanet.or.ke>. Sustainability is a key issue for any infrastructure or application service provider. I guess it is a component of digital literacy that end users should be made aware of continually. Best Regards On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 8:48 AM David Indeje via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Should Internet Data Bundles Expire? This week’s article by Mr John Walubengo reviews the issues from the customers’, mobile operators, and regulatory (and legal) points of view. https://bit.ly/3ONagcU
On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 11:22 AM Ali Hussein via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Victor
Thanks for sharing this. This is what happens when we lack a clear policy on Net Neutrality and the usage in general. What the lawmakers are doing is what we in Kiswahili call 'kutapatapa' or in English to be all over the place.
Let this be something that we as an industry take up with the lawmakers and work with them to come up with solid policies to address this issue.
Regards
*Ali Hussein*
Fintech | Digital Transformation
Tel: +254 713 601113
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On Sun, Nov 27, 2022 at 4:40 PM Victor Kapiyo via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Parliament will probe telecommunications firms for imposing expiry dates on data bundles, airtime and loyalty programmes such as Safaricom’s Bonga Points, setting the stage for a fresh battle between the lawmakers and the operators.
The National Assembly’s committee on Communications, Information and Innovation says it will also inquire into the widespread Internet speed throttling practice by internet service providers (ISPs).
*Read more: * https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/bd/economy/mps-open-probe-on-data-expiry...
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@Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> I vehemently disagree. This is absolutely insane. No argument can deter me from my conviction that this is wrong. Once bought there should be no expiry date. @Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>, @Walubengo, and all you proponents of this expiry manenos. Let me ask you this - What exactly is the issue here? Why do telcos want to expire our bundles when we have paid for them? What are the technical limitations here? Or financial? Please explain it to me like I'm a six-year-old. Regards *Ali Hussein* Fintech | Digital Transformation Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim LinkedIn: Ali's Profile <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 12:34 PM Barrack Otieno via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I agree with @John Walubengo <jwalubengo@kictanet.or.ke>. Sustainability is a key issue for any infrastructure or application service provider. I guess it is a component of digital literacy that end users should be made aware of continually.
Best Regards
On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 8:48 AM David Indeje via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Should Internet Data Bundles Expire? This week’s article by Mr John Walubengo reviews the issues from the customers’, mobile operators, and regulatory (and legal) points of view. https://bit.ly/3ONagcU
On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 11:22 AM Ali Hussein via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Victor
Thanks for sharing this. This is what happens when we lack a clear policy on Net Neutrality and the usage in general. What the lawmakers are doing is what we in Kiswahili call 'kutapatapa' or in English to be all over the place.
Let this be something that we as an industry take up with the lawmakers and work with them to come up with solid policies to address this issue.
Regards
*Ali Hussein*
Fintech | Digital Transformation
Tel: +254 713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
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On Sun, Nov 27, 2022 at 4:40 PM Victor Kapiyo via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Parliament will probe telecommunications firms for imposing expiry dates on data bundles, airtime and loyalty programmes such as Safaricom’s Bonga Points, setting the stage for a fresh battle between the lawmakers and the operators.
The National Assembly’s committee on Communications, Information and Innovation says it will also inquire into the widespread Internet speed throttling practice by internet service providers (ISPs).
*Read more: * https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/bd/economy/mps-open-probe-on-data-expiry...
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Chairman @Ali Hussein <ahussein@kictanet.or.ke> even house rent is not perpetual to guarantee engagement between the landlord and tenant, expiry ensures that engagement between the service providers and the customer is maintained. Operating costs are also elastic. Regards On Wed, 30 Nov 2022, 2:11 pm Ali Hussein, <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
@Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> I vehemently disagree.
This is absolutely insane. No argument can deter me from my conviction that this is wrong. Once bought there should be no expiry date.
@Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>, @Walubengo, and all you proponents of this expiry manenos. Let me ask you this - What exactly is the issue here? Why do telcos want to expire our bundles when we have paid for them? What are the technical limitations here? Or financial? Please explain it to me like I'm a six-year-old.
Regards
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On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 12:34 PM Barrack Otieno via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I agree with @John Walubengo <jwalubengo@kictanet.or.ke>. Sustainability is a key issue for any infrastructure or application service provider. I guess it is a component of digital literacy that end users should be made aware of continually.
Best Regards
On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 8:48 AM David Indeje via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Should Internet Data Bundles Expire? This week’s article by Mr John Walubengo reviews the issues from the customers’, mobile operators, and regulatory (and legal) points of view. https://bit.ly/3ONagcU
On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 11:22 AM Ali Hussein via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Victor
Thanks for sharing this. This is what happens when we lack a clear policy on Net Neutrality and the usage in general. What the lawmakers are doing is what we in Kiswahili call 'kutapatapa' or in English to be all over the place.
Let this be something that we as an industry take up with the lawmakers and work with them to come up with solid policies to address this issue.
Regards
*Ali Hussein*
Fintech | Digital Transformation
Tel: +254 713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
LinkedIn: Ali's Profile <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
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On Sun, Nov 27, 2022 at 4:40 PM Victor Kapiyo via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Parliament will probe telecommunications firms for imposing expiry dates on data bundles, airtime and loyalty programmes such as Safaricom’s Bonga Points, setting the stage for a fresh battle between the lawmakers and the operators.
The National Assembly’s committee on Communications, Information and Innovation says it will also inquire into the widespread Internet speed throttling practice by internet service providers (ISPs).
*Read more: * https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/bd/economy/mps-open-probe-on-data-expiry...
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Boss. Wrong analogy. I pay my rent for the month. I don't expect my landlord to tell me my rent has expired before the end of the month! As for operating costs, please plan ahead and cost it accordingly. Your lack of planning or understanding of your operating costs should not be the reason you become unfair to me. I don't understand why the Telco industry thinks that if they use jargon we'll all be awed and be ok with it. This is 2022! We are not awed. We are asking the right questions. And it seems the Legislators are too. Time to review this archaic rule. Regards *Ali Hussein* Fintech | Digital Transformation Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim LinkedIn: Ali's Profile <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 2:26 PM Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Chairman @Ali Hussein <ahussein@kictanet.or.ke> even house rent is not perpetual to guarantee engagement between the landlord and tenant, expiry ensures that engagement between the service providers and the customer is maintained. Operating costs are also elastic.
Regards
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022, 2:11 pm Ali Hussein, <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
@Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> I vehemently disagree.
This is absolutely insane. No argument can deter me from my conviction that this is wrong. Once bought there should be no expiry date.
@Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>, @Walubengo, and all you proponents of this expiry manenos. Let me ask you this - What exactly is the issue here? Why do telcos want to expire our bundles when we have paid for them? What are the technical limitations here? Or financial? Please explain it to me like I'm a six-year-old.
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On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 12:34 PM Barrack Otieno via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I agree with @John Walubengo <jwalubengo@kictanet.or.ke>. Sustainability is a key issue for any infrastructure or application service provider. I guess it is a component of digital literacy that end users should be made aware of continually.
Best Regards
On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 8:48 AM David Indeje via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Should Internet Data Bundles Expire? This week’s article by Mr John Walubengo reviews the issues from the customers’, mobile operators, and regulatory (and legal) points of view. https://bit.ly/3ONagcU
On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 11:22 AM Ali Hussein via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Victor
Thanks for sharing this. This is what happens when we lack a clear policy on Net Neutrality and the usage in general. What the lawmakers are doing is what we in Kiswahili call 'kutapatapa' or in English to be all over the place.
Let this be something that we as an industry take up with the lawmakers and work with them to come up with solid policies to address this issue.
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On Sun, Nov 27, 2022 at 4:40 PM Victor Kapiyo via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Parliament will probe telecommunications firms for imposing expiry dates on data bundles, airtime and loyalty programmes such as Safaricom’s Bonga Points, setting the stage for a fresh battle between the lawmakers and the operators.
The National Assembly’s committee on Communications, Information and Innovation says it will also inquire into the widespread Internet speed throttling practice by internet service providers (ISPs).
*Read more: * https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/bd/economy/mps-open-probe-on-data-expiry...
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@Ali what of the 'air-ticket' analogy? Would the airlines be acting harshly if they expired your ticket? As in you must use it within a certain timeframe otherwise it becomes null and void...aka 'hot-air' ;-) walu On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 02:53:48 PM GMT+3, Ali Hussein via KICTANet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Boss. Wrong analogy. I pay my rent for the month. I don't expect my landlord to tell me my rent has expired before the end of the month! As for operating costs, please plan ahead and cost it accordingly. Your lack of planning or understanding of your operating costs should not be the reason you become unfair to me. I don't understand why the Telco industry thinks that if they use jargon we'll all be awed and be ok with it. This is 2022! We are not awed. We are asking the right questions. And it seems the Legislators are too. Time to review this archaic rule. Regards AliHussein Fintech | Digital Transformation Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim LinkedIn: Ali's Profile Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 2:26 PM Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: Chairman @Ali Hussein even house rent is not perpetual to guarantee engagement between the landlord and tenant, expiry ensures that engagement between the service providers and the customer is maintained. Operating costs are also elastic. Regards On Wed, 30 Nov 2022, 2:11 pm Ali Hussein, <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote: @Barrack Otieno I vehemently disagree. This is absolutely insane. No argument can deter me from my conviction that this is wrong. Once bought there should be no expiry date. @Barrack Otieno, @Walubengo, and all you proponents of this expiry manenos. Let me ask you this - What exactly is the issue here? Why do telcos want to expire our bundles when we have paid for them? What are the technical limitations here? Or financial? Please explain it to me like I'm a six-year-old. Regards AliHussein Fintech | Digital Transformation Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim LinkedIn: Ali's Profile Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 12:34 PM Barrack Otieno via KICTANet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: I agree with @John Walubengo. Sustainability is a key issue for any infrastructure or application service provider. I guess it is a component of digital literacy that end users should be made aware of continually. Best Regards On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 8:48 AM David Indeje via KICTANet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Should Internet Data Bundles Expire? This week’s article by Mr John Walubengo reviews the issues from the customers’, mobile operators, and regulatory (and legal) points of view. https://bit.ly/3ONagcU On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 11:22 AM Ali Hussein via KICTANet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Victor Thanks for sharing this. This is what happens when we lack a clear policy on Net Neutrality and the usage in general. What the lawmakers are doing is what we in Kiswahili call 'kutapatapa' or in English to be all over the place. Let this be something that we as an industry take up with the lawmakers and work with them to come up with solid policies to address this issue. Regards AliHussein Fintech | Digital Transformation Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim LinkedIn: Ali's Profile Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Sun, Nov 27, 2022 at 4:40 PM Victor Kapiyo via KICTANet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Parliament will probe telecommunications firms for imposing expiry dates on data bundles, airtime and loyalty programmes such as Safaricom’s Bonga Points, setting the stage for a fresh battle between the lawmakers and the operators. The National Assembly’s committee on Communications, Information and Innovation says it will also inquire into the widespread Internet speed throttling practice by internet service providers (ISPs). Read more: https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/bd/economy/mps-open-probe-on-data-expiry... 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Walu You have clearly chosen to ignore my mention of IATA etc...Let me refresh your memory by repeating the gist of the message below. The airline industry rules and regulations are governed by IATA (International Air Travel Association) and the airlines follow these rules strictly on pain of death. Literally. What governs the Telcos' rules and regulations about the expiry of bundles? Is it in the ITU regulations perhaps? Or the Communications Authority perhaps? These arbitrary ways of dealing with people's hard-earned money need to stop and policymakers and regulators need to step in. Once we know what the rules of the game are then we can make wise wallet decisions. Meanwhile, we continue to suffer bila chuki. Regards *Ali Hussein* Fintech | Digital Transformation Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim LinkedIn: Ali's Profile <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 7:11 PM Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Ali
what of the 'air-ticket' analogy?
Would the airlines be acting harshly if they expired your ticket? As in you must use it within a certain timeframe otherwise it becomes null and void...aka 'hot-air' ;-)
walu
On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 02:53:48 PM GMT+3, Ali Hussein via KICTANet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Boss. Wrong analogy. I pay my rent for the month. I don't expect my landlord to tell me my rent has expired before the end of the month!
As for operating costs, please plan ahead and cost it accordingly. Your lack of planning or understanding of your operating costs should not be the reason you become unfair to me.
I don't understand why the Telco industry thinks that if they use jargon we'll all be awed and be ok with it. This is 2022! We are not awed. We are asking the right questions. And it seems the Legislators are too. Time to review this archaic rule.
Regards
*Ali Hussein*
Fintech | Digital Transformation
Tel: +254 713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
LinkedIn: Ali's Profile <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with.
On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 2:26 PM Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Chairman @Ali Hussein <ahussein@kictanet.or.ke> even house rent is not perpetual to guarantee engagement between the landlord and tenant, expiry ensures that engagement between the service providers and the customer is maintained. Operating costs are also elastic.
Regards
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022, 2:11 pm Ali Hussein, <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
@Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> I vehemently disagree.
This is absolutely insane. No argument can deter me from my conviction that this is wrong. Once bought there should be no expiry date.
@Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>, @Walubengo, and all you proponents of this expiry manenos. Let me ask you this - What exactly is the issue here? Why do telcos want to expire our bundles when we have paid for them? What are the technical limitations here? Or financial? Please explain it to me like I'm a six-year-old.
Regards
*Ali Hussein*
Fintech | Digital Transformation
Tel: +254 713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
LinkedIn: Ali's Profile <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
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On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 12:34 PM Barrack Otieno via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I agree with @John Walubengo <jwalubengo@kictanet.or.ke>. Sustainability is a key issue for any infrastructure or application service provider. I guess it is a component of digital literacy that end users should be made aware of continually.
Best Regards
On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 8:48 AM David Indeje via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Should Internet Data Bundles Expire? This week’s article by Mr John Walubengo reviews the issues from the customers’, mobile operators, and regulatory (and legal) points of view. https://bit.ly/3ONagcU
On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 11:22 AM Ali Hussein via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Victor
Thanks for sharing this. This is what happens when we lack a clear policy on Net Neutrality and the usage in general. What the lawmakers are doing is what we in Kiswahili call 'kutapatapa' or in English to be all over the place.
Let this be something that we as an industry take up with the lawmakers and work with them to come up with solid policies to address this issue.
Regards
*Ali Hussein*
Fintech | Digital Transformation
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Parliament will probe telecommunications firms for imposing expiry dates on data bundles, airtime and loyalty programmes such as Safaricom’s Bonga Points, setting the stage for a fresh battle between the lawmakers and the operators.
The National Assembly’s committee on Communications, Information and Innovation says it will also inquire into the widespread Internet speed throttling practice by internet service providers (ISPs).
*Read more: * https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/bd/economy/mps-open-probe-on-data-expiry...
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Barack, We can't argue from both sides of our mouths....one one hand say that data should expire so that the infrastructure use is optimized, on the other hand, punish those who are using the infrastructure, by throttling. Choose one struggle. Of course throttling is mostly illegal from a network management perspective. In the US, the FCC made this clear via the Open Internet Order of 2015. Locally, it would seem KICA regs have yet to get throttling rules, but nonetheless, the practice is manifestly illegal under the Consumer Protection Act, 2012 for False Advertising and Misrepresentation. You cannot purport to offer, and proceed to provide, someone with a 10Mbps link, for a period of one month, and then later decide to degrade that to 1Mbps, for "traffic management" reasons. That is misrepresentation and false advertising/fraud...and could be tantamount to unconscionable conduct. @Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> The expiry of Bonga points more closely tracks that of airline miles, not the tickets. Tickets on the face of them, typically have the dates you wish to travel on them, and under fair contract rules, the airline is only expected to keep that ticket valid for the price you paid for a certain period. Hata, quotations we send usually have a valid period, because prices may be subject to change (inflation, global upheavals etc). However, the earned airline miles, continue to exist even after you have used the ticket. Same with Bonga Points which persist after you have used the airtime you bought to earn them. I also note this para in the BD story: "The value of outstanding or unredeemed points has been going up over the years—hitting Sh4.5 billion in March 2022 from Sh3 billion in 2015— despite the company expanding the options for redemption to include the purchase of shares at the Nairobi Securities Exchange (NSE), airtime, phones and even flight tickets." Just the fact that you cannot convert them to shares at the NSE, presumably making them legal consideration, and those shares can subsequently be surrendered to UFAA if unclaimed, tells me, that Bonga points should be considered unclaimed assets and given the same treatment. And surrendered to UFAA. Regards. JG On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 12:46 PM Barrack Otieno via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I agree with @John Walubengo <jwalubengo@kictanet.or.ke>. Sustainability is a key issue for any infrastructure or application service provider. I guess it is a component of digital literacy that end users should be made aware of continually.
Best Regards
On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 8:48 AM David Indeje via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Should Internet Data Bundles Expire? This week’s article by Mr John Walubengo reviews the issues from the customers’, mobile operators, and regulatory (and legal) points of view. https://bit.ly/3ONagcU
On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 11:22 AM Ali Hussein via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Victor
Thanks for sharing this. This is what happens when we lack a clear policy on Net Neutrality and the usage in general. What the lawmakers are doing is what we in Kiswahili call 'kutapatapa' or in English to be all over the place.
Let this be something that we as an industry take up with the lawmakers and work with them to come up with solid policies to address this issue.
Regards
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On Sun, Nov 27, 2022 at 4:40 PM Victor Kapiyo via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Parliament will probe telecommunications firms for imposing expiry dates on data bundles, airtime and loyalty programmes such as Safaricom’s Bonga Points, setting the stage for a fresh battle between the lawmakers and the operators.
The National Assembly’s committee on Communications, Information and Innovation says it will also inquire into the widespread Internet speed throttling practice by internet service providers (ISPs).
*Read more: * https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/bd/economy/mps-open-probe-on-data-expiry...
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My 2 cents... Let's admit that demand for services is at such an accelerated mode that policies and legislation are playing catch-up. Whilst innovated services are at the 100th rung up the ladder, rules are not even settled at the 1st! *Expired Bundles*
From a user's perspective, as @walu put it, *my money my bundles*... We need to appreciate that when we buy bread, we don't argue with Supa Loaf et al why they have put an expiry date on the loaf.
On a personal level, I did make a lot of noise at AIRTEL sometime ago on this issue and I felt jilted. However, after the bitterness ebbed off and sanity return, the bread analogy helped me appreciate. However, having said that, the telcos need to be fair too. Why would one having 100GB of mobile data not be allowed to sambaza the same to others yet if he doesn't finish them get them expired? So dear telcos, while we are on this, we expect you to allow us to use our data as we choose (i.e. within the confines of the law). *Bonga Points* SAFCOM again needs to be sensitive on this. There should be a drive to encourage users to redeem their points e.g. issuance of phones, bill payment etc. To quote the saying, "do well by doing good". Telcos need to make this their mantra. To have you guys listed as the best tax payers, most profitable company... Yet be seen to be squeezing the life off your subscribers is a bitter pill to swallow. *Policy drivers* KICTANET has set the bar in as far as policy making in matters ICT are concerned. We should take this on and unpack it the best way that only KICTANET can. Once done, seek audience with the telcos and legislators. With all due respect to our legislators, they need to stand down an let this be done professional. Knee jerk reactions never resolved matters. Good night On Wed, Nov 30, 2022, 20:41 James Mbugua via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Barack,
We can't argue from both sides of our mouths....one one hand say that data should expire so that the infrastructure use is optimized, on the other hand, punish those who are using the infrastructure, by throttling. Choose one struggle.
Of course throttling is mostly illegal from a network management perspective. In the US, the FCC made this clear via the Open Internet Order of 2015.
Locally, it would seem KICA regs have yet to get throttling rules, but nonetheless, the practice is manifestly illegal under the Consumer Protection Act, 2012 for False Advertising and Misrepresentation.
You cannot purport to offer, and proceed to provide, someone with a 10Mbps link, for a period of one month, and then later decide to degrade that to 1Mbps, for "traffic management" reasons. That is misrepresentation and false advertising/fraud...and could be tantamount to unconscionable conduct.
@Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com>
The expiry of Bonga points more closely tracks that of airline miles, not the tickets. Tickets on the face of them, typically have the dates you wish to travel on them, and under fair contract rules, the airline is only expected to keep that ticket valid for the price you paid for a certain period. Hata, quotations we send usually have a valid period, because prices may be subject to change (inflation, global upheavals etc).
However, the earned airline miles, continue to exist even after you have used the ticket. Same with Bonga Points which persist after you have used the airtime you bought to earn them.
I also note this para in the BD story: "The value of outstanding or unredeemed points has been going up over the years—hitting Sh4.5 billion in March 2022 from Sh3 billion in 2015— despite the company expanding the options for redemption to include the purchase of shares at the Nairobi Securities Exchange (NSE), airtime, phones and even flight tickets."
Just the fact that you cannot convert them to shares at the NSE, presumably making them legal consideration, and those shares can subsequently be surrendered to UFAA if unclaimed, tells me, that Bonga points should be considered unclaimed assets and given the same treatment. And surrendered to UFAA.
Regards.
JG
On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 12:46 PM Barrack Otieno via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I agree with @John Walubengo <jwalubengo@kictanet.or.ke>. Sustainability is a key issue for any infrastructure or application service provider. I guess it is a component of digital literacy that end users should be made aware of continually.
Best Regards
On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 8:48 AM David Indeje via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Should Internet Data Bundles Expire? This week’s article by Mr John Walubengo reviews the issues from the customers’, mobile operators, and regulatory (and legal) points of view. https://bit.ly/3ONagcU
On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 11:22 AM Ali Hussein via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Victor
Thanks for sharing this. This is what happens when we lack a clear policy on Net Neutrality and the usage in general. What the lawmakers are doing is what we in Kiswahili call 'kutapatapa' or in English to be all over the place.
Let this be something that we as an industry take up with the lawmakers and work with them to come up with solid policies to address this issue.
Regards
*Ali Hussein*
Fintech | Digital Transformation
Tel: +254 713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
LinkedIn: Ali's Profile <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
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On Sun, Nov 27, 2022 at 4:40 PM Victor Kapiyo via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Parliament will probe telecommunications firms for imposing expiry dates on data bundles, airtime and loyalty programmes such as Safaricom’s Bonga Points, setting the stage for a fresh battle between the lawmakers and the operators.
The National Assembly’s committee on Communications, Information and Innovation says it will also inquire into the widespread Internet speed throttling practice by internet service providers (ISPs).
*Read more: * https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/bd/economy/mps-open-probe-on-data-expiry...
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Legislators should focus on making effective legislation. Maybe legislation to establish a stronger consumer protection agency is required? Possibly like is in Egypt[0]? There is an act[1]. As J.G. Mbugua indicated, there are several bodies working in this area[2][3]. However, it seems the effectiveness of these existing bodies could be improved[4][5]. 0) https://www.cpa.gov.eg/en-us/ 1) http://www.parliament.go.ke/sites/default/files/2017-05/ConsumerProtectionAc... 2) https://www.cak.go.ke/what-we-do/consumer-protection/overview 3) https://www.cofek.africa/ 4) https://ieakenya.or.ke/blog/the-constitutional-right-of-consumer-protection-... 5) https://www.oraro.co.ke/2018/10/17/consumer-protection-law-in-kenya/
Listers, Under the Doctrine of Escheat, I believe Safaricom should surrender the Unclaimed value to the Public Trustee or to the Unclaimed Financial Assets Authority. Valuation of the same has already been given by the company itself and is carried as a liability in its books. Regards, James Mbugua On Sun, 27 Nov 2022, 16:40 Victor Kapiyo via KICTANet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Parliament will probe telecommunications firms for imposing expiry dates on data bundles, airtime and loyalty programmes such as Safaricom’s Bonga Points, setting the stage for a fresh battle between the lawmakers and the operators.
The National Assembly’s committee on Communications, Information and Innovation says it will also inquire into the widespread Internet speed throttling practice by internet service providers (ISPs).
*Read more: * https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/bd/economy/mps-open-probe-on-data-expiry...
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+1 😇😎 On Wednesday, November 30, 2022, James Mbugua via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
Under the Doctrine of Escheat, I believe Safaricom should surrender the Unclaimed value to the Public Trustee or to the Unclaimed Financial Assets Authority.
Valuation of the same has already been given by the company itself and is carried as a liability in its books.
Regards,
James Mbugua
On Sun, 27 Nov 2022, 16:40 Victor Kapiyo via KICTANet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Parliament will probe telecommunications firms for imposing expiry dates on data bundles, airtime and loyalty programmes such as Safaricom’s Bonga Points, setting the stage for a fresh battle between the lawmakers and the operators.
The National Assembly’s committee on Communications, Information and Innovation says it will also inquire into the widespread Internet speed throttling practice by internet service providers (ISPs).
*Read more: *https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/bd/ economy/mps-open-probe-on-data-expiry-safaricom-bonga-points--4032338
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Ali Hussein -
Barrack Otieno -
Benson Muite -
David Indeje -
James Mbugua -
kanini mutemi -
Twahir Hussein Kassim -
Victor Kapiyo -
Wainaina Mungai -
Walubengo J