Fwd: [Skunkworks] Do commercial web portals and sites fall into Content Service Provider category?
Interesting discussion that might have some policy implications in light of the shift towards content management ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: aki <aki275@googlemail.com> Date: Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 8:44 PM Subject: [Skunkworks] Do commercial web portals and sites fall into Content Service Provider category? To: Skunkworks forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Does anyone know if the above case is so? And what happens to the informal ICT sector where professional, experienced individuals or small office/home office types, self employed want to develop the above as legit business? Looking into the details of the category license, reveals a concealed fate for small investors, which means a non-starter : -"*Content Services*" means information of any kind normally provided at a fee and is delivered over electronic communications networks and services. They include broadcasting content, financial information services and other information society services. -Within NINE (9) months from the Effective Date, the Licensee shall establish and maintain efficient information services to assist any person to answer questions regarding products, services, and any other reasonable questions relating to the Licensed Services - Within nine (9) months from the Effective Date, the Licensee shall submit to the Commission the accounting principles which relating to the running of the Licensed Systems and which allows the recording of investments, expenses and revenues in accordance with Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP) in Kenya.15.2. Within sixty (60) days of the end of each fiscal year of the Licensee, the Licensee shall deliver to the Commission its balance sheet as at the end of such fiscal year and the related statements of operations, equity and cash flows, in each case accompanied by a report thereon of independent auditors stating that such financial statements fairly present the financial position of the Licensee at the dates indicated and were prepared in accordance with accounting principles submitted to the Commission in accordance with 15.1 above. -In particular, by the 15th July of every year or as agreed by the Commission, the Licensee shall submit a Compliance Report detailing the performance of the previous operational year ended 30th June. - The Licensee shall pay to the Commission:21.1. An initial Licence fee amounting to Kenya Shillings one hundred thousand (KShs.100,000). -On 1st July of each year, an annual operating fee equivalent to zero-point-five percent (0.5%) of the audited annual gross revenues accruing from the Licensed Services during the previous financial year or Kenya shillings one hundred thousand (KShs. 100,000) only whichever is higher. *I highlight these point as at some stage it will affect many. Who knows, you could be selling things from your site portal using mpesa/zap etc and the next thing you know you are operating illegally.* ** *Rgds.* _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general -- Barrack O. Otieno Administrative Manager Afriregister Ltd (Ke) P.o.Box 21682 Nairobi 00100 Tel: +254721325277 +254733206359 Riara Road, Bamboo Lane www.afriregister.com ICANN accredited registrar.
Barrack, Informal enterprise means outside of formal legal framework of enterprise. The standard threshold for moving from informality into legal small enterprise is at 5 million in sales (KRA threshold for paying taxes). Let us not use the absence of law for not advancing our entrepreneurialism. We must constantly pursue enterprise as long as we are within our moral values. If we wake up every morning to check the legality of our actions, we may never develop. Laws are simply guidelines. What matters most is our intentions and and the values that we embrace. It is for exaple illegal to carry a rungu or panga in Kenya since the British outlawed these as offensive weapons but the Masai indeed carry these tools and it. Is perfectly correct within their cultural values. At some point we should correct such mischivious laws as well as the ones that would impede enterprise growth. As for CCK it must work within the legal framework to avoid creating too many loopholes. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 20:59:26 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: [kictanet] Fwd: [Skunkworks] Do commercial web portals and sites fall into Content Service Provider category? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: bitange@jambo.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke
Dear Hon Ndemo, thank you very much for the clarity below which is a real big help towards starting out on our goals. This sets the ground for us to move kenya ahead towards more content driven in the form of web portals. This is indeed a very positive development for some of us. Asante sana. @Barrack, thank you for refering my query to the correct list. @Skunks and web developers, the challenge is now open to to move from a static web site types to more meaningful internet data which inturn will see creation of diverse content. Great development below, comments from Hon Ndemo surely have created a clear skies day for many. There are some nice guidelines in the content license that help on self regulation of posted data i.e non-offensive etc and would be a good basis of the portals. Sorry for the cross posting. Rgds. On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 8:34 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Barrack, Informal enterprise means outside of formal legal framework of enterprise. The standard threshold for moving from informality into legal small enterprise is at 5 million in sales (KRA threshold for paying taxes). Let us not use the absence of law for not advancing our entrepreneurialism. We must constantly pursue enterprise as long as we are within our moral values. If we wake up every morning to check the legality of our actions, we may never develop. Laws are simply guidelines. What matters most is our intentions and and the values that we embrace.
It is for exaple illegal to carry a rungu or panga in Kenya since the British outlawed these as offensive weapons but the Masai indeed carry these tools and it. Is perfectly correct within their cultural values. At some point we should correct such mischivious laws as well as the ones that would impede enterprise growth. As for CCK it must work within the legal framework to avoid creating too many loopholes.
Ndemo.
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Thanks Bw Ndemo, we appreciate your proactive leadership and inspiration as demostrated by the response, Aki, that was an important question and we got the answers from the right quarters On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 8:34 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Barrack, Informal enterprise means outside of formal legal framework of enterprise. The standard threshold for moving from informality into legal small enterprise is at 5 million in sales (KRA threshold for paying taxes). Let us not use the absence of law for not advancing our entrepreneurialism. We must constantly pursue enterprise as long as we are within our moral values. If we wake up every morning to check the legality of our actions, we may never develop. Laws are simply guidelines. What matters most is our intentions and and the values that we embrace.
It is for exaple illegal to carry a rungu or panga in Kenya since the British outlawed these as offensive weapons but the Masai indeed carry these tools and it. Is perfectly correct within their cultural values. At some point we should correct such mischivious laws as well as the ones that would impede enterprise growth. As for CCK it must work within the legal framework to avoid creating too many loopholes.
Ndemo.
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Just to quote from PS. Ndemo's speech during the EA-IGF: * "Our regulatory authorities must therefore ensure that process to accessing broadband are similar and affordable across the region to allow access to the internet for all our people" "Internet is about enabling access to the world's information and knowledge of the world's information, in all its languages" "...localise the internet to preserve our cultures and knowledge, and to share our knowledge with the rest of the world..." *In my thinking, if the content is locally developed, for the local markets, then the regulators, in this case, CCK, will have to formulate some policies which are based on the existing trends so as not to alienate the communities from accessing the internet, and allowing more entrepreneurs to showcase their ideas. At times, we find the local entrepreneurs shying away from competing with existing, mostly international businesses, because there is no specific law protecting them, thus leading to unfair competition. May be the CCK consultations and regulations, will help in creating an avenue for protecting local commercial web portals/ entrepreneurs from this exploitation. PS: If I'm out of context, in regards to this thread... apologies! My views! * * 2009/9/21 Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>
Thanks Bw Ndemo, we appreciate your proactive leadership and inspiration as demostrated by the response, Aki, that was an important question and we got the answers from the right quarters
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 8:34 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Barrack, Informal enterprise means outside of formal legal framework of enterprise. The standard threshold for moving from informality into legal small enterprise is at 5 million in sales (KRA threshold for paying taxes). Let us not use the absence of law for not advancing our entrepreneurialism. We must constantly pursue enterprise as long as we are within our moral values. If we wake up every morning to check the legality of our actions, we may never develop. Laws are simply guidelines. What matters most is our intentions and and the values that we embrace.
It is for exaple illegal to carry a rungu or panga in Kenya since the British outlawed these as offensive weapons but the Masai indeed carry these tools and it. Is perfectly correct within their cultural values. At some point we should correct such mischivious laws as well as the ones that would impede enterprise growth. As for CCK it must work within the legal framework to avoid creating too many loopholes.
Ndemo.
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Dear Colleagues, One of the 8 main sessions at the IGF in Sharm -el-Sheikh will have as its theme "Emerging Issues: Impact of Social Networks". [Social networks include Facebook, Twitter, MySpace, Youtube, ..] We on th IGF-MAG are planning a panel for this session of about 5 persons to lead the discussions and we need a young person (i.e. under 30 years) to be part of the panel. If you are interested or know someone who could be please contact me and we will try and solicit funding, at least for the air-ticket. It would be helpful if we can find a young person who is using social media to enhance or facilitate a business venture. Kind Regards, Waudo
Dear Listeners, On the 18 September, 2009 University of Nairobi held its graduation where quite a number of people turned up. However, i noted that no calls could be made from or to the venue. I disparately called a 0721... 0720... from my 0722... number between around 10AM to 2:00PM thereabouts with little success. My wonder is, was this deliberate courtesy of University of Nairobi, does it mean that the service providers run into problems when a huge number of subscribers gather at a central point or what could course this. It is important to get an explanation for good planning in future since telephony has become part of our lives. Regards, Sam __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Sam, Thats a good question. And you are not the first to experiences poor or lack of services in similar circumstances. Would this then mean that our CellCo providers are unable to anticipate this kind of scenarios? every year there will be a graduation and every year there will be more cell phone users. Are the transmitter base stations in these trouble spots not able to perform Cell Breathing which is meant to provide a form of Load balancing when one or more base stations experience high traffic? Maybe it's high time our major providers introduces the PPT (Push to Talk) service on your phone it will at least free up some of the frequency available since your traditional hand set will consume some frequency for "listening" and for transition whereas in a PPT scenario you only use frequency while actually transmitting or receiving, effectively making your phone a two way radio. SammyG On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Sam Aguyo <saguyo@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Listeners,
On the 18 September, 2009 University of Nairobi held its graduation where quite a number of people turned up. However, i noted that no calls could be made from or to the venue. I disparately called a 0721... 0720... from my 0722... number between around 10AM to 2:00PM thereabouts with little success.
My wonder is, was this deliberate courtesy of University of Nairobi, does it mean that the service providers run into problems when a huge number of subscribers gather at a central point or what could course this. It is important to get an explanation for good planning in future since telephony has become part of our lives.
Regards,
Sam
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Solomon, Over regulation is bad. It curtails innovation. My prayer is to have as many Kenyans online as possible. This can only be achieved by developing relevant content. I want to know for example the origin of the names Mwangi, Omolo, Ndemo etc. Only local people can do this. Genealogical data will occupy us online more than anything. We therefore need a local wikipedia. Once local corporations realize that five million of us are online, digital adverts would follow. It is estimated that more than 60 percent of adverts would be online. In other words it is up to us to create content that will take most our people online. On pricing of Broadband, I will do anything within the law to ensure it is affordable -- that is below 200 dollars a MB. Let us allow competition to drive it down. Teams was ready for service on Sept. 15 and I gues some operators are waiting to see who takes a plunge with attractive offers. Whichever way someone will bolt out. Once again, let us not always put the law in front. If you break it in the process of innovation, we all shall understand and possibly make something. Let us emulate the Brits with their Common Law. Use common sense, always have good intetions and embrace great moral standards. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:09:00 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>; <kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: [Skunkworks] Do commercial web portals and sitesfall into Content Service Provider category? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: bitange@jambo.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke
Dear Bw Ndemo, I'd like to share some information, though a bit lengthy. One of the greatest challenges facing many sectors and including our tech sector is that Innovation may not come from big companies or multi-nationals. Mostly they will always follow the tried and tested ideas, technologies and systems that create return revenues. And so much of innovation will never make it to any end users which is quite unfortunate. But there is a hope of changing this. Innovation or innovative methods to generate interest lives with much smaller entities who spend quite of their time towards improving and testing systems, ideas or technologies. There are many of us have been doing this for a long time but innovations is not a guaranteed system of over night success but rather a process of development which can take years. And this is where big businesses can come in and take the ideas or innovations into bigger deployments. This is what Kenya needs. And we should create an enviroment through less stricter policies and licensing regulations for smaller entities to develop, test and distribute so that investors or other interested parties can see the show case of what can be achieved. I'd like to list an example, though there are many : Voice Over IP Today we have so many skype users and all voice traffic and rates are paid to directly to some foreign nation. About few years ago I had thought of developing a local server using the asterisk open source server that would allow voice sip handsets and even chat software to allow for calls. The system included a billing system that provided itemised call billing analysis that would be mailed to the end user on a monthly basis. I tested the server for many months and was confident it was the way to go. I had now completed my tech part of R & D and was now ready with a system. - Skype has no termination into any network in kenya. I worked on the same. - Skype has a software that allows chat and international calls. I worked on a software available that would easily allow calls and in future have the capability for video conferencing over the same hardware. - All Skype calls have to be paid to them, internationaly. I worked on keep the calls billed at local rates and paid locally. - Skype was bandwidth intensive and critical. I worked on G729 encoder that consumes just about 8kbps over any internet link. - My system offered IVR message facility. When I went to the CCK website to see how to go about setting my deployment and check the details of the voip criteria , it became clear that I was now in an industry that was way way beyond and out of my reach. I shelved the entire system and program and moved onto other tech things. Today, when I see skype users make calls etc, I wonder. They all depend on international servers while kenya is loosing out on revenue. So how can we think of competing against the likes of skype? The R & D is there, the technology is there to produce something local. But treating Software As a Service in the likes of a telco or service provider category killed all local innovation. And not that telcos nor providers have been stopped by anyone, they have the licenses, the ability and the financial might. Its just that they may have started now, something the small sector would have been able to offer a few years ago. I hope that smaller entities will be given a break through an informal sector approach which in the long run will produce results for many. I'm sure it will benefit thousands in the ICT sector who are innovative and adaptive to kenyans needs. The answer to cheaper internet access also lies here. My amatuer thots. Asante sana. Rgds. On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 3:09 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Solomon, Over regulation is bad. It curtails innovation. My prayer is to have as many Kenyans online as possible. This can only be achieved by developing relevant content. I want to know for example the origin of the names Mwangi, Omolo, Ndemo etc. Only local people can do this. Genealogical data will occupy us online more than anything. We therefore need a local wikipedia.
Once local corporations realize that five million of us are online, digital adverts would follow. It is estimated that more than 60 percent of adverts would be online. In other words it is up to us to create content that will take most our people online.
On pricing of Broadband, I will do anything within the law to ensure it is affordable -- that is below 200 dollars a MB. Let us allow competition to drive it down. Teams was ready for service on Sept. 15 and I gues some operators are waiting to see who takes a plunge with attractive offers. Whichever way someone will bolt out.
Once again, let us not always put the law in front. If you break it in the process of innovation, we all shall understand and possibly make something. Let us emulate the Brits with their Common Law. Use common sense, always have good intetions and embrace great moral standards.
Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Hi,
From your response Mr. Ndemo we can assume that the 100,000/- fee payable to "content services" will soon be waived or scraped entirely as a means to clear the way for content generators?
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 --- On Mon, 21/9/09, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote: From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: [Skunkworks] Do commercial web portals andsitesfall into Content Service Provider category? To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, 21 September, 2009, 1:09 PM Solomon, Over regulation is bad. It curtails innovation. My prayer is to have as many Kenyans online as possible. This can only be achieved by developing relevant content. I want to know for example the origin of the names Mwangi, Omolo, Ndemo etc. Only local people can do this. Genealogical data will occupy us online more than anything. We therefore need a local wikipedia. Once local corporations realize that five million of us are online, digital adverts would follow. It is estimated that more than 60 percent of adverts would be online. In other words it is up to us to create content that will take most our people online. On pricing of Broadband, I will do anything within the law to ensure it is affordable -- that is below 200 dollars a MB. Let us allow competition to drive it down. Teams was ready for service on Sept. 15 and I gues some operators are waiting to see who takes a plunge with attractive offers. Whichever way someone will bolt out. Once again, let us not always put the law in front. If you break it in the process of innovation, we all shall understand and possibly make something. Let us emulate the Brits with their Common Law. Use common sense, always have good intetions and embrace great moral standards. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:09:00 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>; <kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: [Skunkworks] Do commercial web portals and sitesfall into Content Service Provider category? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: bitange@jambo.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.u...
Bob, i doubt this is what the Ps meant, read through the threads starting with the genesis On 9/22/09, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
From your response Mr. Ndemo we can assume that the 100,000/- fee payable to "content services" will soon be waived or scraped entirely as a means to clear the way for content generators?
Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: [Skunkworks] Do commercial web portals andsitesfall into Content Service Provider category? To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, 21 September, 2009, 1:09 PM
Solomon, Over regulation is bad. It curtails innovation. My prayer is to have as many Kenyans online as possible. This can only be achieved by developing relevant content. I want to know for example the origin of the names Mwangi, Omolo, Ndemo etc. Only local people can do this. Genealogical data will occupy us online more than anything. We therefore need a local wikipedia.
Once local corporations realize that five million of us are online, digital adverts would follow. It is estimated that more than 60 percent of adverts would be online. In other words it is up to us to create content that will take most our people online.
On pricing of Broadband, I will do anything within the law to ensure it is affordable -- that is below 200 dollars a MB. Let us allow competition to drive it down. Teams was ready for service on Sept. 15 and I gues some operators are waiting to see who takes a plunge with attractive offers. Whichever way someone will bolt out.
Once again, let us not always put the law in front. If you break it in the process of innovation, we all shall understand and possibly make something. Let us emulate the Brits with their Common Law. Use common sense, always have good intetions and embrace great moral standards.
Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Yawe, To mr knowledege, nobody has ever asked the Government to lower the fee. The fee is not the problem. Make the content first then I will fight for you tooth and nail. Regards Ndemo.
Hi,
From your response Mr. Ndemo we can assume that the 100,000/- fee payable to "content services" will soon be waived or scraped entirely as a means to clear the way for content generators?
Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: [Skunkworks] Do commercial web portals andsitesfall into Content Service Provider category? To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, 21 September, 2009, 1:09 PM
Solomon, Over regulation is bad. It curtails innovation. My prayer is to have as many Kenyans online as possible. This can only be achieved by developing relevant content. I want to know for example the origin of the names Mwangi, Omolo, Ndemo etc. Only local people can do this. Genealogical data will occupy us online more than anything. We therefore need a local wikipedia.
Once local corporations realize that five million of us are online, digital adverts would follow. It is estimated that more than 60 percent of adverts would be online. In other words it is up to us to create content that will take most our people online.
On pricing of Broadband, I will do anything within the law to ensure it is affordable -- that is below 200 dollars a MB. Let us allow competition to drive it down. Teams was ready for service on Sept. 15 and I gues some operators are waiting to see who takes a plunge with attractive offers. Whichever way someone will bolt out.
Once again, let us not always put the law in front. If you break it in the process of innovation, we all shall understand and possibly make something. Let us emulate the Brits with their Common Law. Use common sense, always have good intetions and embrace great moral standards.
Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:09:00 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>; <kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: [Skunkworks] Do commercial web portals and sitesfall into Content Service Provider category?
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Yes, we develop content and the fee will be waived or lowered, altogether. Perhaps it is high time, developers should stop putting the cart before the donkey. On another angle, will the government make it possible, through cost reduction mechanism, make .ke domains servers be locally hosted, Dr. Ndemo? Imagine the statehousekenya.go.ke server being hosted in the US? On 22/09/2009, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Yawe, To mr knowledege, nobody has ever asked the Government to lower the fee. The fee is not the problem. Make the content first then I will fight for you tooth and nail.
Regards
Ndemo.
Hi,
From your response Mr. Ndemo we can assume that the 100,000/- fee payable to "content services" will soon be waived or scraped entirely as a means to clear the way for content generators?
Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
--- On Mon, 21/9/09, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: [Skunkworks] Do commercial web portals andsitesfall into Content Service Provider category? To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, 21 September, 2009, 1:09 PM
Solomon, Over regulation is bad. It curtails innovation. My prayer is to have as many Kenyans online as possible. This can only be achieved by developing relevant content. I want to know for example the origin of the names Mwangi, Omolo, Ndemo etc. Only local people can do this. Genealogical data will occupy us online more than anything. We therefore need a local wikipedia.
Once local corporations realize that five million of us are online, digital adverts would follow. It is estimated that more than 60 percent of adverts would be online. In other words it is up to us to create content that will take most our people online.
On pricing of Broadband, I will do anything within the law to ensure it is affordable -- that is below 200 dollars a MB. Let us allow competition to drive it down. Teams was ready for service on Sept. 15 and I gues some operators are waiting to see who takes a plunge with attractive offers. Whichever way someone will bolt out.
Once again, let us not always put the law in front. If you break it in the process of innovation, we all shall understand and possibly make something. Let us emulate the Brits with their Common Law. Use common sense, always have good intetions and embrace great moral standards.
Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Yes, we develop content and the fee will be waived or lowered, altogether. Perhaps it is high time, developers should stop putting the cart before the donkey. On another angle, will the government make it possible, through cost reduction mechanism, make .ke domains servers be locally hosted, especially .go.ke, Dr. Ndemo? Imagine the statehousekenya.go.ke server being hosted in the outside Kenya? On 22/09/2009, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, we develop content and the fee will be waived or lowered, altogether. Perhaps it is high time, developers should stop putting the cart before the donkey. On another angle, will the government make it possible, through cost reduction mechanism, make .ke domains servers be locally hosted, Dr. Ndemo? Imagine the statehousekenya.go.ke server being hosted in the US?
On 22/09/2009, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Yawe, To mr knowledege, nobody has ever asked the Government to lower the fee. The fee is not the problem. Make the content first then I will fight for you tooth and nail.
Regards
Ndemo.
Hi,
From your response Mr. Ndemo we can assume that the 100,000/- fee payable to "content services" will soon be waived or scraped entirely as a means to clear the way for content generators?
Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: [Skunkworks] Do commercial web portals andsitesfall into Content Service Provider category? To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, 21 September, 2009, 1:09 PM
Solomon, Over regulation is bad. It curtails innovation. My prayer is to have as many Kenyans online as possible. This can only be achieved by developing relevant content. I want to know for example the origin of the names Mwangi, Omolo, Ndemo etc. Only local people can do this. Genealogical data will occupy us online more than anything. We therefore need a local wikipedia.
Once local corporations realize that five million of us are online, digital adverts would follow. It is estimated that more than 60 percent of adverts would be online. In other words it is up to us to create content that will take most our people online.
On pricing of Broadband, I will do anything within the law to ensure it is affordable -- that is below 200 dollars a MB. Let us allow competition to drive it down. Teams was ready for service on Sept. 15 and I gues some operators are waiting to see who takes a plunge with attractive offers. Whichever way someone will bolt out.
Once again, let us not always put the law in front. If you break it in the process of innovation, we all shall understand and possibly make something. Let us emulate the Brits with their Common Law. Use common sense, always have good intetions and embrace great moral standards.
Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Solomon, I think .go.ke is locally hosted (Treasury Hosts most government domains). Occasionally, mirrors (for high availability) may have other dimensions. Rgds B. K. Sang -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+bksang=education.go.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+bksang=education.go.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Solomon Mburu Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 8:12 PM To: Barnabas K. Sang Cc: Kictanet Mail list Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: [Skunkworks] Do commercial web portals andsitesfall into Content Service Provider category? Yes, we develop content and the fee will be waived or lowered, altogether. Perhaps it is high time, developers should stop putting the cart before the donkey. On another angle, will the government make it possible, through cost reduction mechanism, make .ke domains servers be locally hosted, especially .go.ke, Dr. Ndemo? Imagine the statehousekenya.go.ke server being hosted in the outside Kenya? On 22/09/2009, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, we develop content and the fee will be waived or lowered, altogether. Perhaps it is high time, developers should stop putting the cart before the donkey. On another angle, will the government make it possible, through cost reduction mechanism, make .ke domains servers be locally hosted, Dr. Ndemo? Imagine the statehousekenya.go.ke server being hosted in the US?
On 22/09/2009, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Yawe, To mr knowledege, nobody has ever asked the Government to lower the fee. The fee is not the problem. Make the content first then I will fight for you tooth and nail.
Regards
Ndemo.
Hi,
From your response Mr. Ndemo we can assume that the 100,000/- fee payable to "content services" will soon be waived or scraped entirely as a means to clear the way for content generators?
Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
--- On Mon, 21/9/09, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: [Skunkworks] Do commercial web portals andsitesfall into Content Service Provider category? To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, 21 September, 2009, 1:09 PM
Solomon, Over regulation is bad. It curtails innovation. My prayer is to have as many Kenyans online as possible. This can only be achieved by developing relevant content. I want to know for example the origin of the names Mwangi, Omolo, Ndemo etc. Only local people can do this. Genealogical data will occupy us online more than anything. We therefore need a local wikipedia.
Once local corporations realize that five million of us are online, digital adverts would follow. It is estimated that more than 60 percent of adverts would be online. In other words it is up to us to create content that will take most our people online.
On pricing of Broadband, I will do anything within the law to ensure it is affordable -- that is below 200 dollars a MB. Let us allow competition to drive it down. Teams was ready for service on Sept. 15 and I gues some operators are waiting to see who takes a plunge with attractive offers. Whichever way someone will bolt out.
Once again, let us not always put the law in front. If you break it in the process of innovation, we all shall understand and possibly make something. Let us emulate the Brits with their Common Law. Use common sense, always have good intetions and embrace great moral standards.
Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Solomon, There is nothing impossible if we talked or e-talked. Most of the questions here are solvable. We have considered Government to be something outside the realm. We reduced BPO registration at CCK from 100,000 to 10,000. On hosting, give us a bit of time. Local data centers will sort this out. Regards Ndemo.
Yes, we develop content and the fee will be waived or lowered, altogether. Perhaps it is high time, developers should stop putting the cart before the donkey. On another angle, will the government make it possible, through cost reduction mechanism, make .ke domains servers be locally hosted, Dr. Ndemo? Imagine the statehousekenya.go.ke server being hosted in the US?
On 22/09/2009, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Yawe, To mr knowledege, nobody has ever asked the Government to lower the fee. The fee is not the problem. Make the content first then I will fight for you tooth and nail.
Regards
Ndemo.
Hi,
From your response Mr. Ndemo we can assume that the 100,000/- fee payable to "content services" will soon be waived or scraped entirely as a means to clear the way for content generators?
Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
--- On Mon, 21/9/09, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: [Skunkworks] Do commercial web portals andsitesfall into Content Service Provider category? To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, 21 September, 2009, 1:09 PM
Solomon, Over regulation is bad. It curtails innovation. My prayer is to have as many Kenyans online as possible. This can only be achieved by developing relevant content. I want to know for example the origin of the names Mwangi, Omolo, Ndemo etc. Only local people can do this. Genealogical data will occupy us online more than anything. We therefore need a local wikipedia.
Once local corporations realize that five million of us are online, digital adverts would follow. It is estimated that more than 60 percent of adverts would be online. In other words it is up to us to create content that will take most our people online.
On pricing of Broadband, I will do anything within the law to ensure it is affordable -- that is below 200 dollars a MB. Let us allow competition to drive it down. Teams was ready for service on Sept. 15 and I gues some operators are waiting to see who takes a plunge with attractive offers. Whichever way someone will bolt out.
Once again, let us not always put the law in front. If you break it in the process of innovation, we all shall understand and possibly make something. Let us emulate the Brits with their Common Law. Use common sense, always have good intetions and embrace great moral standards.
Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry®
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I'd like to share some thoughts and please note this is my techie opinion. After reading the contribution about domains hosting etc, I'd like to introduce into the discussion about some work that some of us have been pushing through its incubation and testing since late last year. Though I wanted to avoid listing it at the moment until ready, I think the issues are no longer about simple things like domains nor mail hosting. The next generation of services to come will be based on what is commonly known as Content Delivery Networks. ( CDN ) CDN will be a platform that will allow kenyans not a miss a moment of any important events in their lives. Using the internet to deliver services like Live streaming and Video on Demand, the stage is set for the next important development cycle in technology for our sector. While not complete, it has taken many months of various tests, setups and simulations to come up with a working model and costs dynamics. but due to unavoidable reasons ( not technical ones ), I expect the next few months to have something that will show case this. If others are thinking along the same axis, that's brilliant and shows we are much ahead than in the development cycle. Please bear with the example below, which now deals with a real life event that bring rich social content into people's lives : - Imagine a wedding scenario where the wedding will take place in Nairobi. You have very close relatives in Mombasa, Kisumu, The US, The UK and Australia. To provide air travel or stay expenses would break the bank. And those relatives who can travel are restricted due to employment or work commitments. As the bride or groom, you wish they could be present during your special event. Well......big problem! Well, actually not. Using content delivery, they will be able to capture their wedding live as it happens and stream it to any part of the world that has internet access. So while the marriage event takes place in Nairobi, all those who were not present can watch it on their computers in the UK, US or Australia and share in the happy moments.... There are many applications to the technology and the social content that it can carry. It all depends on many factors that make projects successful and as innovations go, success is not usually a guarantee but a step towards development. I hope serious providers will be looking into this, else we may catchup to them. :-) With Rgds.
Hi, It is good to see that there are many people out there who are developing content I feel we need to form a platform where we can share information of what we are doing to reduce duplication and create opportunities for collaboration. But what we are fighting for right now is to have this punitive licensing fees for those who would like to charge for their content. Dr. Ndemo gave a process for how we should make money from advertising after the content has been offered for free, but what about those who want to pay for the content without being bombarded with advertising? Why do we want to have the developers start off with a 100,000/- deficit that has gone towards licensing yet it would have been better utilised in product development? It is encouraging that the PS has indicated he is more than willing to walk with us to have this licensing charges lowered or waived on a case by case basis. So lets look at the media act and any other that might be acting as bottlenecks to developing content and any other ICT issues. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 --- On Tue, 22/9/09, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
From: aki <aki275@googlemail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: [Skunkworks] Do commercial web portals andsitesfall into Content Service Provider category? To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, 22 September, 2009, 9:45 PM I'd like to share some thoughts and please note this is my techie opinion. After reading the contribution about domains hosting etc, I'd like to introduce into the discussion about some work that some of us have been pushing through its incubation and testing since late last year. Though I wanted to avoid listing it at the moment until ready, I think the issues are no longer about simple things like domains nor mail hosting.
The next generation of services to come will be based on what is commonly known as Content Delivery Networks. ( CDN ) CDN will be a platform that will allow kenyans not a miss a moment of any important events in their lives. Using the internet to deliver services like Live streaming and Video on Demand, the stage is set for the next important development cycle in technology for our sector. While not complete, it has taken many months of various tests, setups and simulations to come up with a working model and costs dynamics. but due to unavoidable reasons ( not technical ones ), I expect the next few months to have something that will show case this. If others are thinking along the same axis, that's brilliant and shows we are much ahead than in the development cycle.
Please bear with the example below, which now deals with a real life event that bring rich social content into people's lives : - Imagine a wedding scenario where the wedding will take place in Nairobi. You have very close relatives in Mombasa, Kisumu, The US, The UK and Australia. To provide air travel or stay expenses would break the bank. And those relatives who can travel are restricted due to employment or work commitments. As the bride or groom, you wish they could be present during your special event. Well......big problem!
Well, actually not. Using content delivery, they will be able to capture their wedding live as it happens and stream it to any part of the world that has internet access. So while the marriage event takes place in Nairobi, all those who were not present can watch it on their computers in the UK, US or Australia and share in the happy moments....
There are many applications to the technology and the social content that it can carry. It all depends on many factors that make projects successful and as innovations go, success is not usually a guarantee but a step towards development. I hope serious providers will be looking into this, else we may catchup to them. :-)
With Rgds.
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Hi Robert, Please refer to my earlier email - you have misunderstood the target group and basis for the content provider license. Brian On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:44 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
Hi,
It is good to see that there are many people out there who are developing content I feel we need to form a platform where we can share information of what we are doing to reduce duplication and create opportunities for collaboration.
But what we are fighting for right now is to have this punitive licensing fees for those who would like to charge for their content.
Dr. Ndemo gave a process for how we should make money from advertising after the content has been offered for free, but what about those who want to pay for the content without being bombarded with advertising?
Why do we want to have the developers start off with a 100,000/- deficit that has gone towards licensing yet it would have been better utilised in product development?
It is encouraging that the PS has indicated he is more than willing to walk with us to have this licensing charges lowered or waived on a case by case basis. So lets look at the media act and any other that might be acting as bottlenecks to developing content and any other ICT issues.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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From: aki <aki275@googlemail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: [Skunkworks] Do commercial web portals andsitesfall into Content Service Provider category? To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, 22 September, 2009, 9:45 PM I'd like to share some thoughts and please note this is my techie opinion. After reading the contribution about domains hosting etc, I'd like to introduce into the discussion about some work that some of us have been pushing through its incubation and testing since late last year. Though I wanted to avoid listing it at the moment until ready, I think the issues are no longer about simple things like domains nor mail hosting.
The next generation of services to come will be based on what is commonly known as Content Delivery Networks. ( CDN ) CDN will be a platform that will allow kenyans not a miss a moment of any important events in their lives. Using the internet to deliver services like Live streaming and Video on Demand, the stage is set for the next important development cycle in technology for our sector. While not complete, it has taken many months of various tests, setups and simulations to come up with a working model and costs dynamics. but due to unavoidable reasons ( not technical ones ), I expect the next few months to have something that will show case this. If others are thinking along the same axis, that's brilliant and shows we are much ahead than in the development cycle.
Please bear with the example below, which now deals with a real life event that bring rich social content into people's lives :
- Imagine a wedding scenario where the wedding will take place in Nairobi. You have very close relatives in Mombasa, Kisumu, The US, The UK and Australia. To provide air travel or stay expenses would break the bank. And those relatives who can travel are restricted due to employment or work commitments. As the bride or groom, you wish they could be present during your special event. Well......big problem!
Well, actually not. Using content delivery, they will be able to capture their wedding live as it happens and stream it to any part of the world that has internet access. So while the marriage event takes place in Nairobi, all those who were not present can watch it on their computers in the UK, US or Australia and share in the happy moments....
There are many applications to the technology and the social content that it can carry. It all depends on many factors that make projects successful and as innovations go, success is not usually a guarantee but a step towards development. I hope serious providers will be looking into this, else we may catchup to them. :-)
With Rgds.
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Hi Sir, PLease visit the following sites that we currently have that have content which we have been offering free of charge for over 3 years and have just put in place a revenue model which we are now afraid of activitating due to the licensing issues covered in the media bill. www.mystocks.co.ke live.mystocks.co.ke live.mystocks.co.ke/tv.php www.propertykenya.com Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 --- On Tue, 22/9/09, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: [Skunkworks] Do commercial web portals andsitesfall into Content Service Provider category? To: "robert yawe" <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: bitange@jambo.co.ke, "Kictanet Mail list" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, 22 September, 2009, 5:18 PM Yawe, To mr knowledege, nobody has ever asked the Government to lower the fee. The fee is not the problem. Make the content first then I will fight for you tooth and nail.
Regards
Ndemo.
Hi,
From your response Mr. Ndemo we can assume that the 100,000/- fee payable to "content services" will soon be waived or scraped entirely as a means to clear the way for content generators?
Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: [Skunkworks] Do commercial web portals andsitesfall into Content Service Provider category? To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, 21 September, 2009, 1:09 PM
Solomon, Over regulation is bad. It curtails innovation. My prayer is to have as many Kenyans online as possible. This can only be achieved by developing relevant content. I want to know for example the origin of the names Mwangi, Omolo, Ndemo etc. Only local people can do this. Genealogical data will occupy us online more than anything. We therefore need a local wikipedia.
Once local corporations realize that five million of us are online, digital adverts would follow. It is estimated that more than 60 percent of adverts would be online. In other words it is up to us to create content that will take most our people online.
On pricing of Broadband, I will do anything within the law to ensure it is affordable -- that is below 200 dollars a MB. Let us allow competition to drive it down. Teams was ready for service on Sept. 15 and I gues some operators are waiting to see who takes a plunge with attractive offers. Whichever way someone will bolt out.
Once again, let us not always put the law in front. If you break it in the process of innovation, we all shall understand and possibly make something. Let us emulate the Brits with their Common Law. Use common sense, always have good intetions and embrace great moral standards.
Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Hi y'all, My small contribution. It seems that many of you have not tracked the evolution of the licensing framework and market structure as CCK has undertaken over the past 10yrs. The seeming 'contentious' Content Service Providers license - does not apply to web sites - but more to business that make money by hosting/distributing content - perfect example, the former "PRSP" licensees i.e. Premium Rate Service Provider - these are the people who deal in premium rate calls and sms - also provide stuff like ringtone downloads, MMS images etc.... Several years ago a foreign consultant commented about Kenyans' attitude towards laws and regulations, he said that we'd rather hold back from doing something until we are sure that it is within law and regulation rather than innovate, do it, and then let the laws and regulations catch up - as happens everywhere else in the world. So, let us shake off this 'regulo-phobia' - get out there, innovate and grow the economy, for sure, neither CCK nor the Ministry will stand in our way. Regards, Brian On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:53 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Sir,
PLease visit the following sites that we currently have that have content which we have been offering free of charge for over 3 years and have just put in place a revenue model which we are now afraid of activitating due to the licensing issues covered in the media bill.
www.mystocks.co.ke live.mystocks.co.ke live.mystocks.co.ke/tv.php www.propertykenya.com
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
--- On Tue, 22/9/09, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: [Skunkworks] Do commercial web portals andsitesfall into Content Service Provider category? To: "robert yawe" <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: bitange@jambo.co.ke, "Kictanet Mail list" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, 22 September, 2009, 5:18 PM Yawe, To mr knowledege, nobody has ever asked the Government to lower the fee. The fee is not the problem. Make the content first then I will fight for you tooth and nail.
Regards
Ndemo.
Hi,
From your response Mr. Ndemo we can assume that the 100,000/- fee payable to "content services" will soon be waived or scraped entirely as a means to clear the way for content generators?
Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
--- On Mon, 21/9/09, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: [Skunkworks] Do commercial web portals andsitesfall into Content Service Provider category? To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, 21 September, 2009, 1:09 PM
Solomon, Over regulation is bad. It curtails innovation. My prayer is to have as many Kenyans online as possible. This can only be achieved by developing relevant content. I want to know for example the origin of the names Mwangi, Omolo, Ndemo etc. Only local people can do this. Genealogical data will occupy us online more than anything. We therefore need a local wikipedia.
Once local corporations realize that five million of us are online, digital adverts would follow. It is estimated that more than 60 percent of adverts would be online. In other words it is up to us to create content that will take most our people online.
On pricing of Broadband, I will do anything within the law to ensure it is affordable -- that is below 200 dollars a MB. Let us allow competition to drive it down. Teams was ready for service on Sept. 15 and I gues some operators are waiting to see who takes a plunge with attractive offers. Whichever way someone will bolt out.
Once again, let us not always put the law in front. If you break it in the process of innovation, we all shall understand and possibly make something. Let us emulate the Brits with their Common Law. Use common sense, always have good intetions and embrace great moral standards.
Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Hi, Thanks for the kick in the bat we keep putting road blocks in our way, sometimes to stop us from taking action. We shall proceed and let CCK make an interpretation of the same. See you online. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 --- On Wed, 23/9/09, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: [Skunkworks] Do commercial web portals andsitesfall into Content Service Provider category? To: "robert yawe" <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: "Kictanet Mail list" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, 23 September, 2009, 8:08 AM Hi y'all,
My small contribution. It seems that many of you have not tracked the evolution of the licensing framework and market structure as CCK has undertaken over the past 10yrs.
The seeming 'contentious' Content Service Providers license - does not apply to web sites - but more to business that make money by hosting/distributing content - perfect example, the former "PRSP" licensees i.e. Premium Rate Service Provider - these are the people who deal in premium rate calls and sms - also provide stuff like ringtone downloads, MMS images etc....
Several years ago a foreign consultant commented about Kenyans' attitude towards laws and regulations, he said that we'd rather hold back from doing something until we are sure that it is within law and regulation rather than innovate, do it, and then let the laws and regulations catch up - as happens everywhere else in the world. So, let us shake off this 'regulo-phobia' - get out there, innovate and grow the economy, for sure, neither CCK nor the Ministry will stand in our way.
Regards,
Brian
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:53 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Sir,
PLease visit the following sites that we currently have that have content which we have been offering free of charge for over 3 years and have just put in place a revenue model which we are now afraid of activitating due to the licensing issues covered in the media bill.
www.mystocks.co.ke
live.mystocks.co.ke
live.mystocks.co.ke/tv.php
www.propertykenya.com
Regards
Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
--- On Tue, 22/9/09, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: [Skunkworks] Do commercial web portals andsitesfall into Content Service Provider category?
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Cc: bitange@jambo.co.ke, "Kictanet Mail list" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Date: Tuesday, 22 September, 2009, 5:18 PM
Yawe,
To mr knowledege, nobody has ever asked the Government to
lower the fee.
The fee is not the problem. Make the content first
then I will fight for
you tooth and nail.
Regards
Ndemo.
Hi,
From your response Mr. Ndemo we can assume that the
100,000/- fee payable
to "content services" will soon be waived or scraped
entirely as a means
to clear the way for content generators?
Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
--- On Mon, 21/9/09, bitange@jambo.co.ke
<bitange@jambo.co.ke>
wrote:
From: bitange@jambo.co.ke
<bitange@jambo.co.ke>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: [Skunkworks] Do
commercial web portals
andsitesfall into Content Service Provider category?
To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk
Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Date: Monday, 21 September, 2009, 1:09 PM
Solomon,
Over regulation is bad. It curtails innovation. My
prayer is to have as
many Kenyans online as possible. This can only be
achieved by developing
relevant content. I want to know for example the
origin of the names
Mwangi, Omolo, Ndemo etc. Only local people can do
this. Genealogical
data will occupy us online more than anything. We
therefore need a local
wikipedia.
Once local corporations realize that five million of
us are online,
digital adverts would follow. It is estimated that
more than 60 percent
of adverts would be online. In other words it is up
to us to create
content that will take most our people online.
On pricing of Broadband, I will do anything within the
law to ensure it is
affordable -- that is below 200 dollars a MB. Let us
allow competition to
drive it down. Teams was ready for service on Sept.
15 and I gues some
operators are waiting to see who takes a plunge with
attractive offers.
Whichever way someone will bolt out.
Once again, let us not always put the law in front.
If you break it in
the process of innovation, we all shall understand and
possibly make
something. Let us emulate the Brits with their
Common Law. Use common
sense, always have good intetions and embrace great
moral standards.
Ndemo.
Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Hi Robert, Regarding websites and content, please check out what I did a few months ago www.chekelea.com which will give you an idea of the ICT product diversity in kenya. The site does not generate any money but is a reference point. Going back to what needs to be done to allow many in the industry to come out and go all out in development portals, technologies etc, I think the same approach used by KRA i.e upto Ksh 5million per year that describes informal sector should also apply in the communications sector. This will allow many small entities to devote time and efforts towards goals. Once a certain thresh hold is achieved, then it would become necessary to move into the bigger picture. On the license categories issues, one of the biggest challenges to innovation will always be these. Because innovation always starts with the end result in mind, it will always be in conflict with officialness when the time to deployments comes. I hope the commission will consider a new approach towards liberating the smaller tech sectors. Then the positive battles for content, distribution, service availability and diversity can begin proper. My simple thots. Rgds.
A final contribution to this thread. By empowering the " jua kali " ICT sector, big businesses do not loose out on anything. And nor does the informal sector offer any competition to them. The maximum amount of competitve threat of growth or otherwise will depend on the financial capability of the small sector, which we know is no where near even 0.001% of the main players. If we succeed to change the licensing and regulation laws in the favour of the small sector investor, or the worker ants of the tech sector, we will have started a process of allowing developers, testers, thinkers and those who fall in this category room to create, test and officially sell. And while big business takes its time to develop sectors with its own profitablility and objectives, it will keep an eye on the smaller ones who maybe setting the pace. The best sale point to any serious investor or big business or even financial institutions are working profitable models which they can take to better heights. What better way than to be able to do that locally. Until then, we may still be wondering why so much that can happen is not happening. Thank you for your patience, Asante Sana.
On 23/09/2009, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Sir,
PLease visit the following sites that we currently have that have content which we have been offering free of charge for over 3 years and have just put in place a revenue model which we are now afraid of activitating due to the licensing issues covered in the media bill.
www.mystocks.co.ke live.mystocks.co.ke live.mystocks.co.ke/tv.php www.propertykenya.com
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: [Skunkworks] Do commercial web portals andsitesfall into Content Service Provider category? To: "robert yawe" <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: bitange@jambo.co.ke, "Kictanet Mail list" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, 22 September, 2009, 5:18 PM Yawe, To mr knowledege, nobody has ever asked the Government to lower the fee. The fee is not the problem. Make the content first then I will fight for you tooth and nail.
Regards
Ndemo.
Hi,
From your response Mr. Ndemo we can assume that the 100,000/- fee payable to "content services" will soon be waived or scraped entirely as a means to clear the way for content generators?
Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: [Skunkworks] Do commercial web portals andsitesfall into Content Service Provider category? To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, 21 September, 2009, 1:09 PM
Solomon, Over regulation is bad. It curtails innovation. My prayer is to have as many Kenyans online as possible. This can only be achieved by developing relevant content. I want to know for example the origin of the names Mwangi, Omolo, Ndemo etc. Only local people can do this. Genealogical data will occupy us online more than anything. We therefore need a local wikipedia.
Once local corporations realize that five million of us are online, digital adverts would follow. It is estimated that more than 60 percent of adverts would be online. In other words it is up to us to create content that will take most our people online.
On pricing of Broadband, I will do anything within the law to ensure it is affordable -- that is below 200 dollars a MB. Let us allow competition to drive it down. Teams was ready for service on Sept. 15 and I gues some operators are waiting to see who takes a plunge with attractive offers. Whichever way someone will bolt out.
Once again, let us not always put the law in front. If you break it in the process of innovation, we all shall understand and possibly make something. Let us emulate the Brits with their Common Law. Use common sense, always have good intetions and embrace great moral standards.
Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry®
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"Regulo - Phobia", thats tickling, i agree with you Mblayo, maybe this regulations should be availed at the Kenya National Library services which promotes the reading culture :-) On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
On 23/09/2009, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Sir,
PLease visit the following sites that we currently have that have content which we have been offering free of charge for over 3 years and have just put in place a revenue model which we are now afraid of activitating due to the licensing issues covered in the media bill.
www.mystocks.co.ke live.mystocks.co.ke live.mystocks.co.ke/tv.php www.propertykenya.com
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
--- On Tue, 22/9/09, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: [Skunkworks] Do commercial web portals andsitesfall into Content Service Provider category? To: "robert yawe" <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: bitange@jambo.co.ke, "Kictanet Mail list" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, 22 September, 2009, 5:18 PM Yawe, To mr knowledege, nobody has ever asked the Government to lower the fee. The fee is not the problem. Make the content first then I will fight for you tooth and nail.
Regards
Ndemo.
Hi,
From your response Mr. Ndemo we can assume that the 100,000/- fee payable to "content services" will soon be waived or scraped entirely as a means to clear the way for content generators?
Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
--- On Mon, 21/9/09, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: [Skunkworks] Do commercial web portals andsitesfall into Content Service Provider category? To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, 21 September, 2009, 1:09 PM
Solomon, Over regulation is bad. It curtails innovation. My prayer is to have as many Kenyans online as possible. This can only be achieved by developing relevant content. I want to know for example the origin of the names Mwangi, Omolo, Ndemo etc. Only local people can do this. Genealogical data will occupy us online more than anything. We therefore need a local wikipedia.
Once local corporations realize that five million of us are online, digital adverts would follow. It is estimated that more than 60 percent of adverts would be online. In other words it is up to us to create content that will take most our people online.
On pricing of Broadband, I will do anything within the law to ensure it is affordable -- that is below 200 dollars a MB. Let us allow competition to drive it down. Teams was ready for service on Sept. 15 and I gues some operators are waiting to see who takes a plunge with attractive offers. Whichever way someone will bolt out.
Once again, let us not always put the law in front. If you break it in the process of innovation, we all shall understand and possibly make something. Let us emulate the Brits with their Common Law. Use common sense, always have good intetions and embrace great moral standards.
Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:09:00 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>; <kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: [Skunkworks] Do commercial web portals and sitesfall into Content Service Provider category?
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Robert, I will check the sites. More important, please go a head and launch. In tomorrow's CCK meeting I shall introduce a regime for SMEs where you simply register with CCK and you pay nothing as long as you file returns every year. We then establish some threshold upon which you must pay a licence fee. Encourage as many folks as possible. We must fight foreign content with all our power. Regards Ndemo.
Hi Sir,
PLease visit the following sites that we currently have that have content which we have been offering free of charge for over 3 years and have just put in place a revenue model which we are now afraid of activitating due to the licensing issues covered in the media bill.
www.mystocks.co.ke live.mystocks.co.ke live.mystocks.co.ke/tv.php www.propertykenya.com
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
--- On Tue, 22/9/09, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: [Skunkworks] Do commercial web portals andsitesfall into Content Service Provider category? To: "robert yawe" <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: bitange@jambo.co.ke, "Kictanet Mail list" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, 22 September, 2009, 5:18 PM Yawe, To mr knowledege, nobody has ever asked the Government to lower the fee. The fee is not the problem. Make the content first then I will fight for you tooth and nail.
Regards
Ndemo.
Hi,
From your response Mr. Ndemo we can assume that the 100,000/- fee payable to "content services" will soon be waived or scraped entirely as a means to clear the way for content generators?
Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
--- On Mon, 21/9/09, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: [Skunkworks] Do commercial web portals andsitesfall into Content Service Provider category? To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, 21 September, 2009, 1:09 PM
Solomon, Over regulation is bad. It curtails innovation. My prayer is to have as many Kenyans online as possible. This can only be achieved by developing relevant content. I want to know for example the origin of the names Mwangi, Omolo, Ndemo etc. Only local people can do this. Genealogical data will occupy us online more than anything. We therefore need a local wikipedia.
Once local corporations realize that five million of us are online, digital adverts would follow. It is estimated that more than 60 percent of adverts would be online. In other words it is up to us to create content that will take most our people online.
On pricing of Broadband, I will do anything within the law to ensure it is affordable -- that is below 200 dollars a MB. Let us allow competition to drive it down. Teams was ready for service on Sept. 15 and I gues some operators are waiting to see who takes a plunge with attractive offers. Whichever way someone will bolt out.
Once again, let us not always put the law in front. If you break it in the process of innovation, we all shall understand and possibly make something. Let us emulate the Brits with their Common Law. Use common sense, always have good intetions and embrace great moral standards.
Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Dear Bwana Ndemo, Thank you. Below will be a milestone for many and I'd like to kindly request that content hosting services and hardware deployments also be considered for review in the SME category, just as domain and email hosting is done at the moment. Without local hardware platforms, content will still continue to be hosted outside while it is important to keep content on traffic local thus allowing Service Providers and Telcos higher up in the chain have their networks utilized which will help create more uptake of capacity and cheaper prices in the long term. Asante sana. Rgds, Aki. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:33 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Robert, I will check the sites. More important, please go a head and launch. In tomorrow's CCK meeting I shall introduce a regime for SMEs where you simply register with CCK and you pay nothing as long as you file returns every year. We then establish some threshold upon which you must pay a licence fee. Encourage as many folks as possible. We must fight foreign content with all our power.
Regards
Ndemo.
participants (10)
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aki -
Barnabas K. Sang -
Barrack Otieno -
bitange＠jambo.co.ke -
Brian Munyao Longwe -
robert yawe -
Sam Aguyo -
Sam Gatere -
Solomon Mburu -
waudo siganga