Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
Hi, I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, Try reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to do anything and everything under the sun that could be called ICT which includes your microwave oven and copier. Functions of Kenya ICT Board The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the Kenya Gazette Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: • To advice the government onall relevant matters pertaining to development, coordination (remember the PM post) and promotion of ICT industries in the country. • Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities for investments in ICT technology • Facilitate and manage ICT industrial incubation parks and technology parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and land. • Partner with agents within and without the country to carry out such functions as it may consider necessary. • To transform and empower society through deployment and use of ICTs. • Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT products and services. Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G, yes you guessed it I still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi. Regards
There is also another body , National Communications Secretarait. What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord and how do the two bodies relate with respect to advisory services to the governement on ICT matters? Regards Vitalis ________________________________ From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> To: volunga@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 12:03:22 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked Hi, I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, Try reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to do anything and everything under the sun that could be called ICT which includes your microwave oven and copier. Functions of Kenya ICT Board The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the Kenya Gazette Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: • To advice the government onall relevant matters pertaining to development, coordination (remember the PM post) and promotion of ICT industries in the country. • Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities for investments in ICT technology • Facilitate and manage ICT industrial incubation parks and technology parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and land. • Partner with agents within and without the country to carry out such functions as it may consider necessary. • To transform and empower society through deployment and use of ICTs. • Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT products and services. Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G, yes you guessed it I still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi. Regards
This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this questions are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can someone provide us with a list of all agencies involved in ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do some tooth comb analysis, i saw a post from Paul on what the board has achieved early this year, that was very much in order we need something from NCS as well plus any other agencies. Regards On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga <volunga@yahoo.com> wrote:
There is also another body , National Communications Secretarait. What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord and how do the two bodies relate with respect to advisory services to the governement on ICT matters?
Regards
Vitalis
________________________________ From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> To: volunga@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 12:03:22 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
Hi, I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, Try reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to do anything and everything under the sun that could be called ICT which includes your microwave oven and copier. Functions of Kenya ICT Board The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the Kenya Gazette Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: • To advice the government on all relevant matters pertaining to development, coordination (remember the PM post) and promotion of ICT industries in the country. • Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities for investments in ICT technology • Facilitate and manage ICT industrial incubation parks and technology parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and land. • Partner with agents within and without the country to carry out such functions as it may consider necessary. • To transform and empower society through deployment and use of ICTs. • Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT products and services. Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G, yes you guessed it I still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi. Regards
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Barrack, Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it will be wise if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had on Malili. Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create these agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms are good only when you point out where there are gaps. The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only one person did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya kuchongoana tu. Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy proposals that I really think should push through then arouse sufficient interest from the membership here. Ndemo.
This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this questions are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can someone provide us with a list of all agencies involved in ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do some tooth comb analysis, i saw a post from Paul on what the board has achieved early this year, that was very much in order we need something from NCS as well plus any other agencies.
Regards
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga <volunga@yahoo.com> wrote:
There is also another body , National Communications Secretarait. What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord and how do the two bodies relate with respect to advisory services to the governement on ICT matters?
Regards
Vitalis
________________________________ From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> To: volunga@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 12:03:22 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
Hi, I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, Try reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to do anything and everything under the sun that could be called ICT which includes your microwave oven and copier. Functions of Kenya ICT Board The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the Kenya Gazette Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: To advice the government on all relevant matters pertaining to development, coordination (remember the PM post) and promotion of ICT industries in the country. Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities for investments in ICT technology Facilitate and manage ICT industrial incubation parks and technology parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and land. Partner with agents within and without the country to carry out such functions as it may consider necessary. To transform and empower society through deployment and use of ICTs. Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT products and services. Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G, yes you guessed it I still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi. Regards
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On 04/04/2010, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Barrack, Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it will be wise if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had on Malili. Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create these agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms are good only when you point out where there are gaps.
The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only one person did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya kuchongoana tu.
Dakitari, with due respect, would you mind resending the policy proposals as a new thread so that interested parties may respond? If sent within this thread, I'm afraid they'll be swallowed along the way.
Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy proposals that I really think should push through then arouse sufficient interest from the membership here.
I also think you should send them so that we react to the contents!
Ndemo.
This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this questions are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can someone provide us with a list of all agencies involved in ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do some tooth comb analysis, i saw a post from Paul on what the board has achieved early this year, that was very much in order we need something from NCS as well plus any other agencies.
Regards
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga <volunga@yahoo.com> wrote:
There is also another body , National Communications Secretarait. What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord and how do the two bodies relate with respect to advisory services to the governement on ICT matters?
Regards
Vitalis
________________________________ From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> To: volunga@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 12:03:22 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
Hi, I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, Try reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to do anything and everything under the sun that could be called ICT which includes your microwave oven and copier. Functions of Kenya ICT Board The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the Kenya Gazette Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: • To advice the government on all relevant matters pertaining to development, coordination (remember the PM post) and promotion of ICT industries in the country. • Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities for investments in ICT technology • Facilitate and manage ICT industrial incubation parks and technology parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and land. • Partner with agents within and without the country to carry out such functions as it may consider necessary. • To transform and empower society through deployment and use of ICTs. • Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT products and services. Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G, yes you guessed it I still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi. Regards
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Daktari, Thank you for setting the ball rolling, not sure i saw the document as well it must have been hijacked. A town hall meeting is a welcome idea i second it, Kippra felt sufficiently philanthropic before the last town hall meeting i wonder whether they can double their offer during this easter season, bwn Magolo can we count on you. Walu can set the agenda. Regards On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
On 04/04/2010, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Barrack, Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it will be wise if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had on Malili. Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create these agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms are good only when you point out where there are gaps.
The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only one person did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya kuchongoana tu.
Dakitari, with due respect, would you mind resending the policy proposals as a new thread so that interested parties may respond? If sent within this thread, I'm afraid they'll be swallowed along the way.
Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy proposals that I really think should push through then arouse sufficient interest from the membership here.
I also think you should send them so that we react to the contents!
Ndemo.
This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this questions are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can someone provide us with a list of all agencies involved in ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do some tooth comb analysis, i saw a post from Paul on what the board has achieved early this year, that was very much in order we need something from NCS as well plus any other agencies.
Regards
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga <volunga@yahoo.com> wrote:
There is also another body , National Communications Secretarait. What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord and how do the two bodies relate with respect to advisory services to the governement on ICT matters?
Regards
Vitalis
________________________________ From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> To: volunga@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 12:03:22 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
Hi, I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, Try reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to do anything and everything under the sun that could be called ICT which includes your microwave oven and copier. Functions of Kenya ICT Board The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the Kenya Gazette Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: • To advice the government on all relevant matters pertaining to development, coordination (remember the PM post) and promotion of ICT industries in the country. • Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities for investments in ICT technology • Facilitate and manage ICT industrial incubation parks and technology parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and land. • Partner with agents within and without the country to carry out such functions as it may consider necessary. • To transform and empower society through deployment and use of ICTs. • Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT products and services. Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G, yes you guessed it I still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi. Regards
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Dear all, The discussion needs to be on the institutional framework for ICTs in Kenya, not just on KICTB. It needs to cover KICTB, NCS and DEG/GITS. It also needs to include the plethora of ICT industry associations that are not effective. I can organize such a townhall meeting in Chiromo like the first one. However, for such a meeting to be useful, it needs to be preceded by some guided discussion on the same. Alternatively, one or two persons can prepare presenations to guide the discussions, with these presentations being made available earlier for participants to acquint with them. I am also prepared to be one of those persons. tim On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
Daktari,
Thank you for setting the ball rolling, not sure i saw the document as well it must have been hijacked. A town hall meeting is a welcome idea i second it, Kippra felt sufficiently philanthropic before the last town hall meeting i wonder whether they can double their offer during this easter season, bwn Magolo can we count on you. Walu can set the agenda.
Regards
On 04/04/2010, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Barrack, Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it will be wise if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had on Malili. Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create these agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms are good only when you point out where there are gaps.
The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only one
did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya kuchongoana tu.
Dakitari, with due respect, would you mind resending the policy proposals as a new thread so that interested parties may respond? If sent within this thread, I'm afraid they'll be swallowed along the way.
Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy proposals that I really think should push through then arouse sufficient interest from
On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote: person the
membership here.
I also think you should send them so that we react to the contents!
Ndemo.
This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this questions are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can someone provide us with a list of all agencies involved in ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do some tooth comb analysis, i saw a post from Paul on what the board has achieved early this year, that was very much in order we need something from NCS as well plus any other agencies.
Regards
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga <volunga@yahoo.com>
wrote:
There is also another body , National Communications Secretarait. What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord and how do the two bodies relate with respect to advisory services to the governement on ICT matters?
Regards
Vitalis
________________________________ From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> To: volunga@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 12:03:22 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
Hi, I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, Try reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to do anything and everything under the sun that could be called ICT which includes your microwave oven and copier. Functions of Kenya ICT Board The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the Kenya Gazette Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: • To advice the government on all relevant matters pertaining to development, coordination (remember the PM post) and promotion of ICT industries in the country. • Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities for investments in ICT technology • Facilitate and manage ICT industrial incubation parks and technology parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and land. • Partner with agents within and without the country to carry out such functions as it may consider necessary. • To transform and empower society through deployment and use of ICTs. • Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT products and services. Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G, yes you guessed it I still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi. Regards
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Dear listers, Did we not have a similar meeting not too long ago? I think it was about two years or so. Cant remember who had organized it but it was there at KICC. Same theme of taking stock of all ICT bodies. Cant remember if the Government agencies were represented. Not that I have a problem with yet another similar meeting, but we need to clearly set out what we want to achieve with that kind of gathering. Its common knowledge that the ICT industry is awash with all manner of associations/organizations and Government bodies. Isn't it time that we had the sort of organization that we see with other professions like Accountants and Lawyers etc? Isn't it time that the Government created a statutory industry association? This can easily be achieved by such legislation as the policy document presented by the PS the other day, or the Communications Act that was passed not too long ago. Inasmuch as the Government so believes in the increasing importance that ICT plays in the economy, then its imperative that we have an industry body that would take care of all others, say like a CSK that is recognized by an Act of parliament. Regards, Ikua Quoting Mwololo Tim <timwololo@gmail.com>:
Dear all, The discussion needs to be on the institutional framework for ICTs in Kenya, not just on KICTB. It needs to cover KICTB, NCS and DEG/GITS. It also needs to include the plethora of ICT industry associations that are not effective. I can organize such a townhall meeting in Chiromo like the first one. However, for such a meeting to be useful, it needs to be preceded by some guided discussion on the same. Alternatively, one or two persons can prepare presenations to guide the discussions, with these presentations being made available earlier for participants to acquint with them. I am also prepared to be one of those persons. tim
On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
Daktari,
Thank you for setting the ball rolling, not sure i saw the document as well it must have been hijacked. A town hall meeting is a welcome idea i second it, Kippra felt sufficiently philanthropic before the last town hall meeting i wonder whether they can double their offer during this easter season, bwn Magolo can we count on you. Walu can set the agenda.
Regards
On 04/04/2010, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Barrack, Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it will be wise if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had on Malili. Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create these agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms are good only when you point out where there are gaps.
The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only one
did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya kuchongoana tu.
Dakitari, with due respect, would you mind resending the policy proposals as a new thread so that interested parties may respond? If sent within this thread, I'm afraid they'll be swallowed along the way.
Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy proposals that I really think should push through then arouse sufficient interest from
On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote: person the
membership here.
I also think you should send them so that we react to the contents!
Ndemo.
This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this questions are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can someone provide us with a list of all agencies involved in ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do some tooth comb analysis, i saw a post from Paul on what the board has achieved early this year, that was very much in order we need something from NCS as well plus any other agencies.
Regards
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga <volunga@yahoo.com>
wrote:
There is also another body , National Communications Secretarait. What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord and how do the two bodies relate with respect to advisory services to the governement on ICT matters?
Regards
Vitalis
________________________________ From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> To: volunga@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 12:03:22 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
Hi, I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, Try reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to do anything and everything under the sun that could be called ICT which includes your microwave oven and copier. Functions of Kenya ICT Board The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the Kenya Gazette Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: ? To advice the government on all relevant matters pertaining to development, coordination (remember the PM post) and promotion of ICT industries in the country. ? Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities for investments in ICT technology ? Facilitate and manage ICT industrial incubation parks and technology parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and land. ? Partner with agents within and without the country to carry out such functions as it may consider necessary. ? To transform and empower society through deployment and use of ICTs. ? Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT products and services. Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G, yes you guessed it I still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi. Regards
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Hi Evans, all - we have discussed the issue of a statutory body to regulate ICT professionalism on this list in the past and the discussion did not go far. Some said that we would be interfering with "innovation". Some mentioned Bill Gates as a guy who has done much but does not have any professional qualification. Yet others had other stories (e.g. the three blind men story from Brian and his note to Walu on 7/7/08:
I beg to differ. ICT is too large, too deep and too wide to have a single, authoritative, representative body. What you refer to would probably be more appropriate to some of the professional disciplines within the ICT sector e.g. Software Developers Guild, System Administrators Association, CIO/CTO Society - within which there can be certain codes of behavior, ethics, values, best practices etc...
On 10/9/08 on this list I re-introduced the topic of a statutory body such as LSK,ICPAK, ... to guide the ICT profession. In my mail I even included a "draft ICT Professionals Act". The idea received cold water except from Kamotho. One distinction between "profession" and "Industry". In my mind I see statutory bodies as more regulating "profession" rather than "industry". Industry bodies are normally private sector initiatives formed by interested persons to achieve common goals. I can be surprised to hear the government being asked to help set up an "industry" association of any type. Private sector associations engage the government, so how can the same government be involved in their set up? The other axiomatic thing about associations is that the ones that do not deliver invariably die a natural death - and there are many examples of this in Kenya even within ICT. It is not difficult to set up a membership association (just like a Church or Club which are set up under the same "Societies Act"). People cannot be stopped from setting up associations because the Constitution guarantees freedom of association. This means those who have any bright ideas that are not accommodated by existing associations cannot have an excuse or choose to take up the role of professional hecklers of existing associations. Within ICT we agreed some years to accommodate multiple associations which then converge under KEPSA umbrella to offer a unified voice. This I think is working very well as recently exemplified at the Prime Minister's Round Table where ICT issues were very well articulated. With regard to Prof's suggestion to discuss government agencies and private sector associations at the same meeting I think that would create much confusion and even opportunities for red herrings to be thrown around. It is mixing oranges and apples. The word "association" is actually a short form. The exact terminology is "membership association". An association is made up of members who voluntarily come together and run their interests. The members have their own channels to discuss their issues. It does not take much imagination to realize that someone who is NOT a "member" is unlikely to have overflowing goodwill towards (leave alone information about) the association. However, associations face a lot of challenges and a specific get together of associations to discuss best practices and ways of being sustainable and more effective would be welcome. The Business Advocacy Fund is for example doing a great and positive job in the direction of capacity building and funding. Well done to them. Another useful type of meeting is the type you refer to that was held at KICC a couple of years ago where associations can inform a wider audience about their activities and roles and, perhaps, recruit more members. Overall, an associations' meeting should be a focused one and not be mixed up with one for government agencies; and guest list should be expanded from Prof's limiting suggestion of "the plethora of ICT industry associations that are not effective" to include those which are effective so that others can learn from them as well. Waudo www.cskonline.org On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 02:38 -0500, ikua@lpakenya.org wrote:
Dear listers, Did we not have a similar meeting not too long ago? I think it was about two years or so. Cant remember who had organized it but it was there at KICC. Same theme of taking stock of all ICT bodies. Cant remember if the Government agencies were represented.
Not that I have a problem with yet another similar meeting, but we need to clearly set out what we want to achieve with that kind of gathering. Its common knowledge that the ICT industry is awash with all manner of associations/organizations and Government bodies. Isn't it time that we had the sort of organization that we see with other professions like Accountants and Lawyers etc? Isn't it time that the Government created a statutory industry association? This can easily be achieved by such legislation as the policy document presented by the PS the other day, or the Communications Act that was passed not too long ago.
Inasmuch as the Government so believes in the increasing importance that ICT plays in the economy, then its imperative that we have an industry body that would take care of all others, say like a CSK that is recognized by an Act of parliament.
Regards, Ikua
Quoting Mwololo Tim <timwololo@gmail.com>:
Dear all, The discussion needs to be on the institutional framework for ICTs in Kenya, not just on KICTB. It needs to cover KICTB, NCS and DEG/GITS. It also needs to include the plethora of ICT industry associations that are not effective. I can organize such a townhall meeting in Chiromo like the first one. However, for such a meeting to be useful, it needs to be preceded by some guided discussion on the same. Alternatively, one or two persons can prepare presenations to guide the discussions, with these presentations being made available earlier for participants to acquint with them. I am also prepared to be one of those persons. tim
On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
Daktari,
Thank you for setting the ball rolling, not sure i saw the document as well it must have been hijacked. A town hall meeting is a welcome idea i second it, Kippra felt sufficiently philanthropic before the last town hall meeting i wonder whether they can double their offer during this easter season, bwn Magolo can we count on you. Walu can set the agenda.
Regards
On 04/04/2010, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Barrack, Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it will be wise if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had on Malili. Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create these agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms are good only when you point out where there are gaps.
The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only one
did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya kuchongoana tu.
Dakitari, with due respect, would you mind resending the policy proposals as a new thread so that interested parties may respond? If sent within this thread, I'm afraid they'll be swallowed along the way.
Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy proposals that I really think should push through then arouse sufficient interest from
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membership here.
I also think you should send them so that we react to the contents!
Ndemo.
This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this questions are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can someone provide us with a list of all agencies involved in ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do some tooth comb analysis, i saw a post from Paul on what the board has achieved early this year, that was very much in order we need something from NCS as well plus any other agencies.
Regards
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga <volunga@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> There is also another body , National Communications Secretarait. What > is > the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord and how do the two bodies relate > with respect to advisory services to the governement on ICT matters? > > Regards > > > Vitalis > > ________________________________ > From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> > To: volunga@yahoo.com > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 12:03:22 PM > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked > > Hi, > I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, Try > reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to do anything > and > everything under the sun that could be called ICT which includes your > microwave oven and copier. > Functions of Kenya ICT Board > The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the Kenya Gazette > Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: > ? To advice the government on all relevant matters pertaining to > development, coordination (remember the PM post) and promotion of ICT > industries in the country. > ? Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities for > investments in ICT technology > ? Facilitate and manage ICT industrial incubation parks and technology > parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and land. > ? Partner with agents within and without the country to carry out such > functions as it may consider necessary. > ? To transform and empower society through deployment and use of ICTs. > ? Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT products and > services. > Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G, yes you guessed > it I > still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi. > Regards > > > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: otieno.barrack@gmail.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otieno.barrack%40gmail.... > >
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Dr. Siganga, Your write up makes sense, i guess we have been mixing too many issues, in other words we handle government agencies and industry associations separately, sounds like the meeting is a welcome idea, i suggest government agencies first. Regards On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 3:03 PM, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:
Hi Evans, all - we have discussed the issue of a statutory body to regulate ICT professionalism on this list in the past and the discussion did not go far. Some said that we would be interfering with "innovation". Some mentioned Bill Gates as a guy who has done much but does not have any professional qualification. Yet others had other stories (e.g. the three blind men story from Brian and his note to Walu on 7/7/08:
I beg to differ. ICT is too large, too deep and too wide to have a single, authoritative, representative body. What you refer to would probably be more appropriate to some of the professional disciplines within the ICT sector e.g. Software Developers Guild, System Administrators Association, CIO/CTO Society - within which there can be certain codes of behavior, ethics, values, best practices etc...
On 10/9/08 on this list I re-introduced the topic of a statutory body such as LSK,ICPAK, ... to guide the ICT profession. In my mail I even included a "draft ICT Professionals Act". The idea received cold water except from Kamotho.
One distinction between "profession" and "Industry". In my mind I see statutory bodies as more regulating "profession" rather than "industry". Industry bodies are normally private sector initiatives formed by interested persons to achieve common goals. I can be surprised to hear the government being asked to help set up an "industry" association of any type. Private sector associations engage the government, so how can the same government be involved in their set up? The other axiomatic thing about associations is that the ones that do not deliver invariably die a natural death - and there are many examples of this in Kenya even within ICT. It is not difficult to set up a membership association (just like a Church or Club which are set up under the same "Societies Act"). People cannot be stopped from setting up associations because the Constitution guarantees freedom of association. This means those who have any bright ideas that are not accommodated by existing associations cannot have an excuse or choose to take up the role of professional hecklers of existing associations.
Within ICT we agreed some years to accommodate multiple associations which then converge under KEPSA umbrella to offer a unified voice. This I think is working very well as recently exemplified at the Prime Minister's Round Table where ICT issues were very well articulated.
With regard to Prof's suggestion to discuss government agencies and private sector associations at the same meeting I think that would create much confusion and even opportunities for red herrings to be thrown around. It is mixing oranges and apples. The word "association" is actually a short form. The exact terminology is "membership association". An association is made up of members who voluntarily come together and run their interests. The members have their own channels to discuss their issues. It does not take much imagination to realize that someone who is NOT a "member" is unlikely to have overflowing goodwill towards (leave alone information about) the association. However, associations face a lot of challenges and a specific get together of associations to discuss best practices and ways of being sustainable and more effective would be welcome. The Business Advocacy Fund is for example doing a great and positive job in the direction of capacity building and funding. Well done to them. Another useful type of meeting is the type you refer to that was held at KICC a couple of years ago where associations can inform a wider audience about their activities and roles and, perhaps, recruit more members. Overall, an associations' meeting should be a focused one and not be mixed up with one for government agencies; and guest list should be expanded from Prof's limiting suggestion of "the plethora of ICT industry associations that are not effective" to include those which are effective so that others can learn from them as well.
Waudo www.cskonline.org
On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 02:38 -0500, ikua@lpakenya.org wrote:
Dear listers, Did we not have a similar meeting not too long ago? I think it was about two years or so. Cant remember who had organized it but it was there at KICC. Same theme of taking stock of all ICT bodies. Cant remember if the Government agencies were represented.
Not that I have a problem with yet another similar meeting, but we need to clearly set out what we want to achieve with that kind of gathering. Its common knowledge that the ICT industry is awash with all manner of associations/organizations and Government bodies. Isn't it time that we had the sort of organization that we see with other professions like Accountants and Lawyers etc? Isn't it time that the Government created a statutory industry association? This can easily be achieved by such legislation as the policy document presented by the PS the other day, or the Communications Act that was passed not too long ago.
Inasmuch as the Government so believes in the increasing importance that ICT plays in the economy, then its imperative that we have an industry body that would take care of all others, say like a CSK that is recognized by an Act of parliament.
Regards, Ikua
Quoting Mwololo Tim <timwololo@gmail.com>:
Dear all, The discussion needs to be on the institutional framework for ICTs in Kenya, not just on KICTB. It needs to cover KICTB, NCS and DEG/GITS. It also needs to include the plethora of ICT industry associations that are not effective. I can organize such a townhall meeting in Chiromo like the first one. However, for such a meeting to be useful, it needs to be preceded by some guided discussion on the same. Alternatively, one or two persons can prepare presenations to guide the discussions, with these presentations being made available earlier for participants to acquint with them. I am also prepared to be one of those persons. tim
On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
Daktari,
Thank you for setting the ball rolling, not sure i saw the document as well it must have been hijacked. A town hall meeting is a welcome idea i second it, Kippra felt sufficiently philanthropic before the last town hall meeting i wonder whether they can double their offer during this easter season, bwn Magolo can we count on you. Walu can set the agenda.
Regards
On 04/04/2010, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Barrack, Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it will be wise if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had on Malili. Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create these agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms are good only when you point out where there are gaps.
The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only one
did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya kuchongoana tu.
Dakitari, with due respect, would you mind resending the policy proposals as a new thread so that interested parties may respond? If sent within this thread, I'm afraid they'll be swallowed along the way.
Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy proposals that I really think should push through then arouse sufficient interest from
On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote: person the
membership here.
I also think you should send them so that we react to the contents!
Ndemo.
> This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this questions are > very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can someone provide us with > a list of all agencies involved in ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do > some tooth comb analysis, i saw a post from Paul on what the board > has achieved early this year, that was very much in order we need > something from NCS as well plus any other agencies. > > Regards > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga <volunga@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>> There is also another body , National Communications Secretarait. What >> is >> the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord and how do the two bodies relate >> with respect to advisory services to the governement on ICT matters? >> >> Regards >> >> >> Vitalis >> >> ________________________________ >> From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> >> To: volunga@yahoo.com >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 12:03:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked >> >> Hi, >> I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, Try >> reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to do anything >> and >> everything under the sun that could be called ICT which includes your >> microwave oven and copier. >> Functions of Kenya ICT Board >> The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the Kenya Gazette >> Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: >> ? To advice the government on all relevant matters pertaining to >> development, coordination (remember the PM post) and promotion of ICT >> industries in the country. >> ? Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities for >> investments in ICT technology >> ? Facilitate and manage ICT industrial incubation parks and technology >> parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and land. >> ? Partner with agents within and without the country to carry out such >> functions as it may consider necessary. >> ? To transform and empower society through deployment and use of ICTs. >> ? Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT products and >> services. >> Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G, yes you guessed >> it I >> still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi. >> Regards >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> This message was sent to: otieno.barrack@gmail.com >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otieno.barrack%40gmail.... >> >> > > > > -- > Barrack O. Otieno > Geneva > Skype: barrack.otieno > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: bitange@jambo.co.ke > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke > > ---------------------------------------------- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > --------------------------------------------- > "easy access to the world" > >
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Daktari, I think you are spot on on the issues raised. Until we have a body unifying the ICT Professionals we will never have a voice to effectively engage other stakeholders, say what happens when say Lawyers(LSK) demand some form of engagement with the regards to ICT law, who will be mandated to represent interest of ICT professionals, or say Health professionals body(KMA or KM&DPB) seeking our input(by our I mean ICT professionals) regarding some aspects of Health Information system, who will engage with them and how will these people claim to represent the industry? We may have previously engaged as ICT stakeholders but is this a sustainable model...I believe we cannot continue to operate in this kind of chaotic situation. Kudos to KictaNet though some useful intra-industry discussion that are very informative go on here, but more could be done. Question is how and where do we start and how do we manage it so professionally that we avoid the pitfalls of unnecessary politicking and be able to engage as ICPAK does for finance professionals of all shades (Auditors, Financial Analyst, Financial Accountants, Management Accountants) My one cent. EK -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+emmanuel.khisa=kadet.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+emmanuel.khisa=kadet.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of waudo siganga Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 4:04 PM To: emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked Hi Evans, all - we have discussed the issue of a statutory body to regulate ICT professionalism on this list in the past and the discussion did not go far. Some said that we would be interfering with "innovation". Some mentioned Bill Gates as a guy who has done much but does not have any professional qualification. Yet others had other stories (e.g. the three blind men story from Brian and his note to Walu on 7/7/08:
I beg to differ. ICT is too large, too deep and too wide to have a single, authoritative, representative body. What you refer to would probably be more appropriate to some of the professional disciplines within the ICT sector e.g. Software Developers Guild, System Administrators Association, CIO/CTO Society - within which there can be certain codes of behavior, ethics, values, best practices etc...
Dear listers, Did we not have a similar meeting not too long ago? I think it was about two years or so. Cant remember who had organized it but it was there at KICC. Same theme of taking stock of all ICT bodies. Cant remember if the Government agencies were represented.
Not that I have a problem with yet another similar meeting, but we need to clearly set out what we want to achieve with that kind of gathering. Its common knowledge that the ICT industry is awash with all manner of associations/organizations and Government bodies. Isn't it time that we had the sort of organization that we see with other professions like Accountants and Lawyers etc? Isn't it time that the Government created a statutory industry association? This can easily be achieved by such legislation as the policy document presented by the PS the other day, or the Communications Act that was passed not too long ago.
Inasmuch as the Government so believes in the increasing importance that ICT plays in the economy, then its imperative that we have an industry body that would take care of all others, say like a CSK that is recognized by an Act of parliament.
Regards, Ikua
Quoting Mwololo Tim <timwololo@gmail.com>:
Dear all, The discussion needs to be on the institutional framework for ICTs in Kenya, not just on KICTB. It needs to cover KICTB, NCS and DEG/GITS. It also needs to include the plethora of ICT industry associations that are not effective. I can organize such a townhall meeting in Chiromo like the first one. However, for such a meeting to be useful, it needs to be preceded by some guided discussion on the same. Alternatively, one or two persons can prepare presenations to guide the discussions, with these presentations being made available earlier for participants to acquint with them. I am also prepared to be one of those persons. tim
On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
Daktari,
Thank you for setting the ball rolling, not sure i saw the document as well it must have been hijacked. A town hall meeting is a welcome idea i second it, Kippra felt sufficiently philanthropic before the last town hall meeting i wonder whether they can double their offer during this easter season, bwn Magolo can we count on you. Walu can set the agenda.
Regards
On 04/04/2010, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Barrack, Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it will be wise if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had on Malili. Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create these agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms are good only when you point out where there are gaps.
The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only one
On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote: person
did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya kuchongoana tu.
Dakitari, with due respect, would you mind resending the policy proposals as a new thread so that interested parties may respond? If sent within this thread, I'm afraid they'll be swallowed along the way.
Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy proposals
really think should push through then arouse sufficient interest from the membership here.
I also think you should send them so that we react to the contents!
Ndemo.
This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this questions
are
very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can someone provide us with a list of all agencies involved in ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do some tooth comb analysis, i saw a post from Paul on what the board has achieved early this year, that was very much in order we need something from NCS as well plus any other agencies.
Regards
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga <volunga@yahoo.com> wrote: > There is also another body , National Communications Secretarait. What > is > the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord and how do the two bodies relate > with respect to advisory services to the governement on ICT matters? > > Regards > > > Vitalis > > ________________________________ > From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> > To: volunga@yahoo.com > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 12:03:22 PM > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked > > Hi, > I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, Try > reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to do anything > and > everything under the sun that could be called ICT which includes your > microwave oven and copier. > Functions of Kenya ICT Board > The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the Kenya Gazette > Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: > ? To advice the government on all relevant matters pertaining to > development, coordination (remember the PM post) and promotion of ICT > industries in the country. > ? Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities for > investments in ICT technology > ? Facilitate and manage ICT industrial incubation parks and technology > parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and land. > ? Partner with agents within and without the country to carry out such > functions as it may consider necessary. > ? To transform and empower society through deployment and use of ICTs. > ? Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT
On 10/9/08 on this list I re-introduced the topic of a statutory body such as LSK,ICPAK, ... to guide the ICT profession. In my mail I even included a "draft ICT Professionals Act". The idea received cold water except from Kamotho. One distinction between "profession" and "Industry". In my mind I see statutory bodies as more regulating "profession" rather than "industry". Industry bodies are normally private sector initiatives formed by interested persons to achieve common goals. I can be surprised to hear the government being asked to help set up an "industry" association of any type. Private sector associations engage the government, so how can the same government be involved in their set up? The other axiomatic thing about associations is that the ones that do not deliver invariably die a natural death - and there are many examples of this in Kenya even within ICT. It is not difficult to set up a membership association (just like a Church or Club which are set up under the same "Societies Act"). People cannot be stopped from setting up associations because the Constitution guarantees freedom of association. This means those who have any bright ideas that are not accommodated by existing associations cannot have an excuse or choose to take up the role of professional hecklers of existing associations. Within ICT we agreed some years to accommodate multiple associations which then converge under KEPSA umbrella to offer a unified voice. This I think is working very well as recently exemplified at the Prime Minister's Round Table where ICT issues were very well articulated. With regard to Prof's suggestion to discuss government agencies and private sector associations at the same meeting I think that would create much confusion and even opportunities for red herrings to be thrown around. It is mixing oranges and apples. The word "association" is actually a short form. The exact terminology is "membership association". An association is made up of members who voluntarily come together and run their interests. The members have their own channels to discuss their issues. It does not take much imagination to realize that someone who is NOT a "member" is unlikely to have overflowing goodwill towards (leave alone information about) the association. However, associations face a lot of challenges and a specific get together of associations to discuss best practices and ways of being sustainable and more effective would be welcome. The Business Advocacy Fund is for example doing a great and positive job in the direction of capacity building and funding. Well done to them. Another useful type of meeting is the type you refer to that was held at KICC a couple of years ago where associations can inform a wider audience about their activities and roles and, perhaps, recruit more members. Overall, an associations' meeting should be a focused one and not be mixed up with one for government agencies; and guest list should be expanded from Prof's limiting suggestion of "the plethora of ICT industry associations that are not effective" to include those which are effective so that others can learn from them as well. Waudo www.cskonline.org On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 02:38 -0500, ikua@lpakenya.org wrote: that I products
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Dear PS: It is a little discouraging to hear you say that the issues discussed in this topic are 'kuchongoana tu'. We look up to you, and others in Government and also in the private sector who are so passionate about the use of ICTs and the Internet to create opportunities for all, in Kenya, and see that ICT remains a reliable vehicle for economic growth and development. So, please don't stop listening to us, patiently and we beseech you to continue in your wisdom in dealing with these matters. This topic, 'Who is ICT Board?' as well as that of 'eGovernment is it a myth or reality?' have raised important questions that should be addressed with 'a big heart' and an open mind. As you have noted, a town hall meeting is good and always welcome. However, moving forward, it needs to be clear how ICT Board interacts with Government and how it promotes the existence of an Institutional Framework for ICT management in Government. Clearly, the ICT Board manages of a huge chunk of donor funds for ICT growth in Kenya, eGovernment and the likes (through the KTCIP), but still the Government lags behind in their ICT technical know-how and skills. While one of their mandate (the ICT Board) is Capacity Building (Providing GoK and other stakeholders with skills, capacity and funding for anchor implementation of ICT projects for development) over time we have only seen laxity in the management of ICT by Government i.e. poor websites, unsatisfactory performance of legacy systems, inconsistent DNS & IP address management, meagre IT Security (web, network, etc), little or no R&D and M&E of ICT & eGovt, etc. But may be it is not deliberate laxity, it is that the Government Officers who manage IT issues in Government are not continuously trained in all pertinent areas to raise experts and skillful personnel. I hope this is an area ICT Board can address, when they say that part of their mandate is Capacity Building, otherwise we have Government Officers who cannot do much to use broadband properly and strategically as well as make eGovernment a reality. The cabilities of these Officers should be close to, if not better than those in the private sector. And when GoK finally has real experts and engineers in ICT, a retention strategy MUST be adopted to keep them and recompense them accordingly. This is the future of Government IT, 'people who are knowledgeable and focused on a bright future'. LILIAN --- On Sun, 4/4/10, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote: From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked To: "Lilian" <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 9:42 AM Barrack, Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it will be wise if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had on Malili. Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create these agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms are good only when you point out where there are gaps. The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only one person did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya kuchongoana tu. Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy proposals that I really think should push through then arouse sufficient interest from the membership here. Ndemo.
This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this questions are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can someone provide us with a list of all agencies involved in ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do some tooth comb analysis, i saw a post from Paul on what the board has achieved early this year, that was very much in order we need something from NCS as well plus any other agencies.
Regards
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga <volunga@yahoo.com> wrote:
There is also another body , National Communications Secretarait. What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord and how do the two bodies relate with respect to advisory services to the governement on ICT matters?
Regards
Vitalis
________________________________ From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> To: volunga@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 12:03:22 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
Hi, I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, Try reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to do anything and everything under the sun that could be called ICT which includes your microwave oven and copier. Functions of Kenya ICT Board The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the Kenya Gazette Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: • To advice the government on all relevant matters pertaining to development, coordination (remember the PM post) and promotion of ICT industries in the country. • Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities for investments in ICT technology • Facilitate and manage ICT industrial incubation parks and technology parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and land. • Partner with agents within and without the country to carry out such functions as it may consider necessary. • To transform and empower society through deployment and use of ICTs. • Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT products and services. Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G, yes you guessed it I still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi. Regards
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Hi Listers, I want to assure Lilian Karanja that those of us in the Government whose duty it is to promote ICT in the country will always open both ears for listening to you guys out there. ICT Sector is the single most important agent in transformaing government. I also want to contribute on the topic touching on roles of ICT agencies in government. While it is true that the government should have one coordinating agency for ICT, it is not always practical or even desirable. The government is a very complex institution. ICT sector is also very complex. A good example is the energy sector. Currently there are about six (I could be wrong) parastatals under the Ministry of Energy, for development of energy. What we should be aiming at is to define agencies' roles very carefully and clearly to minimize duplication and apparent confusion among the public. John Sergon Ag/ICT Secretary Directorate of eGovernment On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Lilian Karanja <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear PS:
It is a little discouraging to hear you say that the issues discussed in this topic are 'kuchongoana tu'. We look up to you, and others in Government and also in the private sector who are so passionate about the use of ICTs and the Internet to create opportunities for all, in Kenya, and see that ICT remains a reliable vehicle for economic growth and development. So, please don't stop listening to us, patiently and we beseech you to continue in your wisdom in dealing with these matters.
This topic, 'Who is ICT Board?' as well as that of 'eGovernment is it a myth or reality?' have raised important questions that should be addressed with 'a big heart' and an open mind. As you have noted, a town hall meeting is good and always welcome. However, moving forward, it needs to be clear how ICT Board interacts with Government and how it promotes the existence of an Institutional Framework for ICT management in Government. Clearly, the ICT Board manages of a huge chunk of donor funds for ICT growth in Kenya, eGovernment and the likes (through the KTCIP), but still the Government lags behind in their ICT technical know-how and skills.
While one of their mandate (the ICT Board) is *Capacity Building (*Providing GoK and other stakeholders with skills, capacity and funding for anchor implementation of ICT projects for development) over time we have only seen laxity in the management of ICT by Government i.e. poor websites, unsatisfactory performance of legacy systems, inconsistent DNS & IP address management, meagre IT Security (web, network, etc), little or no R&D and M&E of ICT & eGovt, etc. But may be it is not deliberate laxity, it is that the Government Officers who manage IT issues in Government are not continuously trained in all pertinent areas to raise experts and skillful personnel.
I hope this is an area ICT Board can address, when they say that part of their mandate is *Capacity Building, *otherwise we have Government Officers who cannot do much to use broadband properly and strategically as well as make eGovernment a reality. The cabilities of these Officers should be close to, if not better than those in the private sector. And when GoK finally has real experts and engineers in ICT, a retention strategy MUST be adopted to keep them and recompense them accordingly. This is the future of Government IT, 'people who are knowledgeable and focused on a bright future'.
LILIAN
--- On *Sun, 4/4/10, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke>* wrote:
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked To: "Lilian" <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com>
Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 9:42 AM
Barrack, Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it will be wise if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had on Malili. Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create these agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms are good only when you point out where there are gaps.
The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only one person did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya kuchongoana tu. Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy proposals that I really think should push through then arouse sufficient interest from the membership here.
Ndemo.
This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this questions are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can someone provide us with a list of all agencies involved in ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do some tooth comb analysis, i saw a post from Paul on what the board has achieved early this year, that was very much in order we need something from NCS as well plus any other agencies.
Regards
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga <volunga@yahoo.com<http://us.mc452.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=volunga@yahoo.com>> wrote:
There is also another body , National Communications Secretarait. What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord and how do the two bodies relate with respect to advisory services to the governement on ICT matters?
Regards
Vitalis
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Hi Lilian, Just wanted to clarify an issue, government has some of the best trained ICT fellows and I know because I have regularly interacted with them for over 10 years. Do not be deceived by the fact that they are no fancy websites or iphone applications the men and women who keep the government systems running are basically miracle workers. How they do it is beyond my comprehension and the last thin they need is a capacity building what they need like all with the other areas of government is a co-ordinator or a Deputy Prime Minister IS. Hon Raila has definitely moved government efficiency a notch higher and without a "dream team" or expatriate consultants all he did was dust off the diamonds within. Government has a beautiful retention strategy which is we pay you for 2 hours a day and we expect you to only deliver the paid for work, if you are unable to find something profitable to do with the balance 6 hours then that is your problem. What we need is a deputy prime minister information systems or ICT or BPO whatever the name of which KICTB has proven not to be to "desilo" (term coined by Dr. Ndemo during the PM Round table meeting) the government activities. Can you government ICT gurus stick your heads out and defend your selves, I know many of you are on this listing, so be warned that next time I need to put the record strait on your behalf I will actually name names. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Lilian Karanja <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Mon, 5 April, 2010 16:58:41 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked Dear PS: It is a little discouraging to hear you say that the issues discussed in this topic are 'kuchongoana tu'. We look up to you, and others in Government and also in the private sector who are so passionate about the use of ICTs and the Internet to create opportunities for all, in Kenya, and see that ICT remains a reliable vehicle for economic growth and development. So, please don't stop listening to us, patiently and we beseech you to continue in your wisdom in dealing with these matters. This topic, 'Who is ICT Board?' as well as that of 'eGovernment is it a myth or reality?' have raised important questions that should be addressed with 'a big heart' and an open mind. As you have noted, a town hall meeting is good and always welcome. However, moving forward, it needs to be clear how ICT Board interacts with Government and how it promotes the existence of an Institutional Framework for ICT management in Government. Clearly, the ICT Board manages of a huge chunk of donor funds for ICT growth in Kenya, eGovernment and the likes (through the KTCIP), but still the Government lags behind in their ICT technical know-how and skills. While one of their mandate (the ICT Board) is Capacity Building (Providing GoK and other stakeholders with skills, capacity and funding for anchor implementation of ICT projects for development) over time we have only seen laxity in the management of ICT by Government i.e. poor websites, unsatisfactory performance of legacy systems, inconsistent DNS & IP address management, meagre IT Security (web, network, etc), little or no R&D and M&E of ICT & eGovt, etc. But may be it is not deliberate laxity, it is that the Government Officers who manage IT issues in Government are not continuously trained in all pertinent areas to raise experts and skillful personnel. I hope this is an area ICT Board can address, when they say that part of their mandate is Capacity Building, otherwise we have Government Officers who cannot do much to use broadband properly and strategically as well as make eGovernment a reality. The cabilities of these Officers should be close to, if not better than those in the private sector. And when GoK finally has real experts and engineers in ICT, a retention strategy MUST be adopted to keep them and recompense them accordingly. This is the future of Government IT, 'people who are knowledgeable and focused on a bright future'. LILIAN --- On Sun, 4/4/10, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked To: "Lilian" <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 9:42 AM
Barrack, Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it will be wise if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had on Malili. Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create these agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms are good only when you point out where there are gaps.
The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only one person did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya kuchongoana tu. Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy proposals that I really think should push through then arouse sufficient interest from the membership here.
Ndemo.
This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this questions are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can someone provide us with a list of all agencies involved in ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do some tooth comb analysis, i saw a post from Paul on what the board has achieved early this year, that was very much in order we need something from NCS as well plus any other agencies.
Regards
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There is also another body , National Communications Secretarait. What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord and how do the two bodies relate with respect to advisory services to the governement on ICT matters?
Regards
Vitalis
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Hi, I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, Try reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to do anything and everything under the sun that could be called ICT which includes your microwave oven and copier. Functions of Kenya ICT Board The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the Kenya Gazette Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: • To advice the government on all relevant matters pertaining to development, coordination (remember the PM post) and promotion of ICT industries in the country. • Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities for investments in ICT technology • Facilitate and manage ICT industrial incubation parks and technology parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and land. • Partner with agents within and without the country to carry out such functions as it may consider necessary. • To transform and empower society through deployment and use of ICTs. • Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT products and services. Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G, yes you guessed it I still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi. Regards
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Yes, Robert.......I see. Certainly, what GoK needs is ICT Governance. “Without governance you do not produce good decisions consistently. ‘Governance’ in the context of the management of ICT crafts a clear framework in which decisions are made, who makes the decisions about business and technology developments, who has input into the decision-making process and how the decisions are formed”. In my opinion, the ICT Board (under Min. Of Info Comm), the Directorate of e-Government (under OP), the GITS Department (under Min. Of Finance), and both the CCK and NCS (both under Min. Of Info Comm) seem to have related ICT goals and objectives. They (unfortunately) don’t seem to oftenly collaborate in their decision-making. I personally like the idea of a KITA like SITA/RITA. Sometime ago, the Directorate of e-Government seemed to come-up into a KITA (in the way we think of SITA/RITA), but did not ‘mature’ into the institution envisioned. GoK ICT Governance Decisions would ideally focus on: · Determining the strategic approach to e-government and ICT within GoK · How the e-government initiatives should be used in GoK, to improve services, reduce costs, develop the community, etc · How fundamental e-government and ICT is to GoK and the country at large · The way e-government and ICT is to be managed (e.g. by what mechanism and how resources are to be managed) · The way investments are to be made and policies on realising and sharing benefits · How the required skills are to be procured (through strategic partnerships, in-house, through consortium, etc) · The principles that underlie the ICT architecture · Setting priorities and determining e-government and ICT investment programmes · Managing the foundations and regulations regarding the core elements of the infrastructure: o Personnel – who will be responsible for their professional development and where certain skills should reside o Methods and techniques – what project/programme management, development and operations management standards should be used o Charging mechanisms and services standards (performance management) o Information – standards to enable the effective sharing of information o Core applications – intranet, finance systems, payroll, registries and personnel standards, etc o Technical – network, consolidated service desk, data standards o Security o Legal This has conspicuously missed within GoK, in the past years. We look to GoK greatly to spur ‘mwananchi’ by keenly committing to ‘add value’ to broadband so that their attitude, confidence and appreciation towards the use ICTs and the Internet increases (especially in the rural areas, as they access Government e-Services), thus creating an Internet Community and an IT culture. Am not sure we necessarily need support from outside to do this, even donor funds (we don’t need). We can do it on our own, as we (Kenya) are, now, known to be an emerging knowledge economy. GoK can lead the way to create a Kenyan way ‘working with’and using ICT. We have so many Youth (any way), who are jobless! Lets purposefully develop capacity of these young and use them sufficiently. I rest my case, and I apologise for any misunderstandings. LILIAN --- On Tue, 4/6/10, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building To: "Lilian Karanja" <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 12:32 AM Hi Lilian, Just wanted to clarify an issue, government has some of the best trained ICT fellows and I know because I have regularly interacted with them for over 10 years. Do not be deceived by the fact that they are no fancy websites or iphone applications the men and women who keep the government systems running are basically miracle workers. How they do it is beyond my comprehension and the last thin they need is a capacity building what they need like all with the other areas of government is a co-ordinator or a Deputy Prime Minister IS. Hon Raila has definitely moved government efficiency a notch higher and without a "dream team" or expatriate consultants all he did was dust off the diamonds within. Government has a beautiful retention strategy which is we pay you for 2 hours a day and we expect you to only deliver the paid for work, if you are unable to find something profitable to do with the balance 6 hours then that is your problem. What we need is a deputy prime minister information systems or ICT or BPO whatever the name of which KICTB has proven not to be to "desilo" (term coined by Dr. Ndemo during the PM Round table meeting) the government activities. Can you government ICT gurus stick your heads out and defend your selves, I know many of you are on this listing, so be warned that next time I need to put the record strait on your behalf I will actually name names. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 From: Lilian Karanja <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Mon, 5 April, 2010 16:58:41 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked Dear PS: It is a little discouraging to hear you say that the issues discussed in this topic are 'kuchongoana tu'. We look up to you, and others in Government and also in the private sector who are so passionate about the use of ICTs and the Internet to create opportunities for all, in Kenya, and see that ICT remains a reliable vehicle for economic growth and development. So, please don't stop listening to us, patiently and we beseech you to continue in your wisdom in dealing with these matters. This topic, 'Who is ICT Board?' as well as that of 'eGovernment is it a myth or reality?' have raised important questions that should be addressed with 'a big heart' and an open mind. As you have noted, a town hall meeting is good and always welcome. However, moving forward, it needs to be clear how ICT Board interacts with Government and how it promotes the existence of an Institutional Framework for ICT management in Government. Clearly, the ICT Board manages of a huge chunk of donor funds for ICT growth in Kenya, eGovernment and the likes (through the KTCIP), but still the Government lags behind in their ICT technical know-how and skills. While one of their mandate (the ICT Board) is Capacity Building (Providing GoK and other stakeholders with skills, capacity and funding for anchor implementation of ICT projects for development) over time we have only seen laxity in the management of ICT by Government i.e. poor websites, unsatisfactory performance of legacy systems, inconsistent DNS & IP address management, meagre IT Security (web, network, etc), little or no R&D and M&E of ICT & eGovt, etc. But may be it is not deliberate laxity, it is that the Government Officers who manage IT issues in Government are not continuously trained in all pertinent areas to raise experts and skillful personnel. I hope this is an area ICT Board can address, when they say that part of their mandate is Capacity Building, otherwise we have Government Officers who cannot do much to use broadband properly and strategically as well as make eGovernment a reality. The cabilities of these Officers should be close to, if not better than those in the private sector. And when GoK finally has real experts and engineers in ICT, a retention strategy MUST be adopted to keep them and recompense them accordingly. This is the future of Government IT, 'people who are knowledgeable and focused on a bright future'. LILIAN --- On Sun, 4/4/10, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote: From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked To: "Lilian" <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 9:42 AM Barrack, Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it will be wise if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had on Malili. Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create these agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms are good only when you point out where there are gaps. The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only one person did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya kuchongoana tu. Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy proposals that I really think should push through then arouse sufficient interest from the membership here. Ndemo.
This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this questions are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can someone provide us with a list of all agencies involved in ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do some tooth comb analysis, i saw a post from Paul on what the board has achieved early this year, that was very much in order we need something from NCS as well plus any other agencies.
Regards
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga <volunga@yahoo.com> wrote:
There is also another body , National Communications Secretarait. What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord and how do the two bodies relate with respect to advisory services to the governement on ICT matters?
Regards
Vitalis
________________________________ From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> To: volunga@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 12:03:22 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
Hi, I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, Try reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to do anything and everything under the sun that could be called ICT which includes your microwave oven and copier. Functions of Kenya ICT Board The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the Kenya Gazette Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: • To advice the government on all relevant matters pertaining to development, coordination (remember the PM post) and promotion of ICT industries in the country. • Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities for investments in ICT technology • Facilitate and manage ICT industrial incubation parks and technology parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and land. • Partner with agents within and without the country to carry out such functions as it may consider necessary. • To transform and empower society through deployment and use of ICTs. • Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT products and services. Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G, yes you guessed it I still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi. Regards
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Dear Colleagues - just to bring to your attention that the issue of an ICT Authority is a repeat of of previous discussions on this list. We could be going round in circles as evidenced by this extract from 2 years ago: From: "John Walubengo" <jwalu@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 4:13 PM (2 years ago) [1]Show original [2]Show full header Something I couldnt help floating on the list...ofcourse with permission... walu. --- [3]amugambi@jambo.co.ke further wrote: I have been following the ongoing online melodrama debate of the ICT Authority with keen interest. Here are my thoughts.. It is important to note that the issue of centralised ICT services provision to GOK has not been addressed or fully understood as this has been handled from time to time on project by project basis (e.g. the Metronet) or subject (e.g. e-Gov)depending on the flavor of the month. You see E-gov, GITS, GCCN, CCK, ICT Board, KCCT, KEPSA et al, they are all behemoths, but we should look in totality at GOK ICT Operation and Strategy Implementation within the wider context of the GOK 'ICT Management Strategy'. This would ensure that going forward and for ever that interests are managed and people only lobby those they need to. Look at this Scenario - u want to sell software/hardware to GOK ...,1. Visit CCK for authority to sell... 2. Move to ICT board for strategy and selling / budgets et al ... 3. Go to Govt GITS for implementation. It is lenghty and chaotic... No wonder nothing really gets done!! The only way you will have a clear helicopter view of the sector and be able to draw on synergies such as combined trunks, data centres, fail over and disaster recovery strategy, is to have an implementation company run and manage vendors as well as shortlist/blacklist vendors for all Governmet ICT services. And this is exactly what the ICT Authority would be doing amongst others! --- [4]amugambi@jambo.co.ke further wrote: Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:28:41 +0300 (EAT) Subject: More on ICT Authority? From: [5]amugambi@jambo.co.ke To: "John Walubengo" <[6]jwalu@yahoo.com> Walu, Further to my mail this morning, i wish to add the following. There is need for a body to manage and coordinate the management and Maintainance ICT aspects of govt (the non-exciting and zero-money stuff) as vendors have interest in all the money minting aspects above anything else. Others are being driven by the potential of creating monster projects that can be funded by the WorldBank as well as other bilateral and multilateral partners. Each player (GITS, Egov, ICT Board, CCK et al) seems to have all components of a complete self contained ICT business/market by themselves. They can and do buy, fund, implement, and use ICT products and services, so to them their systems and ICT use encompasses all aspects from design, funding, procurement,implementation, management and Maintainance with the last 2 as most neglected. The two most neglected items (ICT Management and Maintenace) could be addressed if we could take the approach where the Policy Maker becomes a Rejigged CCK (technology), ICT Board does the commercial/environment), KEBS(Standards), and Implementer could be a New Entity or Rejigged GITS (same name or a different monster and could comprise of E-gov, et al) The User would be the Government of Kenya with a Usergroup Board made of other ICT players including major GOK CITOs Other grey areas can be run by committees ... Easier to constitute, don't have to be employees of GOK and can be funded by MOIC. What do you think?? Kinoti Mugambi
By the way I have no objection to an ICT Authority....I think such an agency (RITA) has done wonders for Rwanda, founded by none other than Dr. J Oketch the current boss at eGovt. But such a body must come in to play an over-arching role over the others rather than focus on a sub-theme as it were...maybe i will take a look at the KEPSA proposal.
walu.
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First, it's a shame that e-Gov and GITS have not merged. They should, and in a 'neutral' ministry like OP.
Then, as far as the coordination need is concerned I see a number of options: - have one of the bodies convene the others to handle issues where more than one is involved - expand the mandate of one of the existing ones to cover the need identified by Waudo - the option mooted by Waudo
Mike Eldon
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I would not see any overlap Walu as the bodies you have mentioned have their specific mandates which are not encompassing the ICT universe. Roughly I think ICT Board is for marketing (Min. of INFOCOM), GITS to run Gov. ICT services (Min. of Finance) and the e-Secretariat to implement the e-Gov. strategy (Office of Pres.). I am always open to correction but meantime I am endorsing the KEPSA proposal. Waudo
Waudo,
jst wondering if we dont already have enough overlaps between ICT Board, eGovt Secretariate, Government Info-Technology Services (GITS) and now you (KEPSA?) want to add on an ICT authority?
walu.
--- waudo siganga <[16]emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote: All this ultimately suggests the necessity for the establishment of an oversight statutory ICT Authority as is being proposed by KEPSA to the ongoing Government harmonization Committee.
--- waudo siganga <[17]emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:
Actually the Government never voted and was never called upon to vote on this issue. The Government only facilitated
stakeholder committee at KEBS and national voting was done by members of that committee. The overall issue however reiterates what I see as a persistent problem regarding ICT and Government: ICT is wide and diverse, as well as being horizontal to the Governm ent structure. This sometimes leads to matters that are considered "ICT" not revolving around a central spoke in the Governemnt structure. So for example KEBS (and by extension issues of ICT standards) falls under the Ministry of trade. In the committee that handled OOXML there was no representative from the Ministry of Info and Comm., which was a mistake because the Government was a Stakeholder. All this ultimately suggests the necessity for the establishment of an oversight statutory ICT Authority as is being proposed by KEPSA to the ongoing Government harmonization Committee.
Waudo
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:14:43 -0700 (PDT), "Rebecca Wanjiku" <rebeccawanji [18]ku@yahoo.com> said:
Microsoft denies threatening to withdraw funding
Microsoft East Africa has dismissed allegations that it threatened to withdraw funding to Kenya if the government did not vote "yes" on OOXML.
Louis Otieno, Microsoft general manager in East and Southern Africa denied the allegations, saying that Microsoft EA acted appropriately.
"We've acted appropriately in all instances. And we are grateful that the National Body members engaged in this
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From: "Leonard Mware" <mleonardo@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 9:18 PM (2 years ago) [42]View as text - [43]Show original [44]Show full header I agree with Monica. Perhaps change KICTB to KICTA? Then make e-gov a department of KICTA? This would be better than creating a new outfit. Expand scope of existing Board. L ----- Original Message ---- From: Monica Kerretts-Makau <mkmakau@yahoo.co.uk> To: mleonardo@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 2:51:23 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT Authority? Waudo, While I agree that there needs to be coordination, should there not be a review of existing agencies : for scope and mandate and see if these agencies can be realigned to meet the gaps as raised rather than creating a new body? In doing so we may end up with even lesser institutions if some are merged etc? Dr. Monica Kerretts-Makau On 24/4/08 2:26 PM, "waudo siganga" <[45]emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:
Alex - actually the KEPSA proposal is not at a stage of detail. I think the first stage is for all to determine and agree, as KEPSA has done, that there is a problem of "coordination and coherence" with regard to ICT and Government. We can use a forum like this one to share experiences to determine this. For me the reality is that ICT is cross-cutting and horizontal to the Government structure while most Ministries appear structured to operate in a vertical format. The Ministry of trade will tell you that OOXML (and ICT standards in general) is their baby; so is the yet to be attended to WTO Information Technology Act; so is signing (WTO) commitments to liberalize ICT services sector. Finance will claim GITS; Immigration want to unilaterally control the entry of ICT experts into the country, etc. There is no-one stop-shop to manage or even act as an interface. In this connection an ICT Authority is just one proposal but the flesh of it would have to come from wider consultation and input of all stakeholders.
Waudo
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:03:05 -0700 (PDT), "Alex Gakuru" <[46]alex.gakuru@yahoo.com> said:
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Can the proposal be shared in this list?
I have refrained from commenting without seeing and understanding what the said proposal contains.
Alex
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Hi Chairman, I believe that the possibility of issues being regurgitated will never end in so long as there is no central depository of the kictanet discussions. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, 6 April, 2010 12:15:35 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building Dear Colleagues - just to bring to your attention that the issue of an ICT Authority is a repeat of of previous discussions on this list. We could be going round in circles as evidenced by this extract from 2 years ago: From: "John Walubengo" <jwalu@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 4:13 PM (2 years ago) Show original Show full header Something I couldnt help floating on the list...ofcourse with permission... walu. --- amugambi@jambo.co.ke further wrote: I have been following the ongoing online melodrama debate of the ICT Authority with keen interest. Here are my thoughts.. It is important to note that the issue of centralised ICT services provision to GOK has not been addressed or fully understood as this has been handled from time to time on project by project basis (e.g. the Metronet) or subject (e.g. e-Gov)depending on the flavor of the month. You see E-gov, GITS, GCCN, CCK, ICT Board, KCCT, KEPSA et al, they are all behemoths, but we should look in totality at GOK ICT Operation and Strategy Implementation within the wider context of the GOK 'ICT Management Strategy'. This would ensure that going forward and for ever that interests are managed and people only lobby those they need to. Look at this Scenario - u want to sell software/hardware to GOK ...,1. Visit CCK for authority to sell... 2. Move to ICT board for strategy and selling / budgets et al ... 3. Go to Govt GITS for implementation. It is lenghty and chaotic... No wonder nothing really gets done!! The only way you will have a clear helicopter view of the sector and be able to draw on synergies such as combined trunks, data centres, fail over and disaster recovery strategy, is to have an implementation company run and manage vendors as well as shortlist/blacklist vendors for all Governmet ICT services. And this is exactly what the ICT Authority would be doing amongst others! --- amugambi@jambo.co.ke further wrote: Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:28:41 +0300 (EAT) Subject: More on ICT Authority? From: amugambi@jambo.co.ke To: "John Walubengo" <jwalu@yahoo.com> Walu, Further to my mail this morning, i wish to add the following. There is need for a body to manage and coordinate the management and Maintainance ICT aspects of govt (the non-exciting and zero-money stuff) as vendors have interest in all the money minting aspects above anything else. Others are being driven by the potential of creating monster projects that can be funded by the WorldBank as well as other bilateral and multilateral partners. Each player (GITS, Egov, ICT Board, CCK et al) seems to have all components of a complete self contained ICT business/market by themselves. They can and do buy, fund, implement, and use ICT products and services, so to them their systems and ICT use encompasses all aspects from design, funding, procurement,implementation, management and Maintainance with the last 2 as most neglected. The two most neglected items (ICT Management and Maintenace) could be addressed if we could take the approach where the Policy Maker becomes a Rejigged CCK (technology), ICT Board does the commercial/environment), KEBS(Standards), and Implementer could be a New Entity or Rejigged GITS (same name or a different monster and could comprise of E-gov, et al) The User would be the Government of Kenya with a Usergroup Board made of other ICT players including major GOK CITOs Other grey areas can be run by committees ... Easier to constitute, don't have to be employees of GOK and can be funded by MOIC. What do you think?? Kinoti Mugambi
By the way I have no objection to an ICT Authority....I think such an agency (RITA) has done wonders for Rwanda, founded by none other than Dr. J Oketch the current boss at eGovt. But such a body must come in to play an over-arching role over the others rather than focus on a sub-theme as it were...maybe i will take a look at the KEPSA proposal.
walu.
----- Original Message ---- From: "MEldon@symphony.co.ke" <MEldon@symphony.co.ke> To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>;
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First, it's a shame that e-Gov and GITS have not merged. They should, and in a 'neutral' ministry like OP.
Then, as far as the coordination need is concerned I see a number of options: - have one of the bodies convene the others to handle issues where more than one is involved - expand the mandate of one of the existing ones to cover the need identified by Waudo - the option mooted by Waudo
Mike Eldon
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Date: 04/22/2008 05:56 PM
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I would not see any overlap Walu as the bodies you have mentioned have their specific mandates which are not encompassing the ICT universe. Roughly I think ICT Board is for marketing (Min. of INFOCOM), GITS to run Gov. ICT services (Min. of Finance) and the e-Secretariat to implement the e-Gov. strategy (Office of Pres.). I am always open to correction but meantime I am endorsing the KEPSA proposal. Waudo
Waudo,
jst wondering if we dont already have enough overlaps between ICT Board, eGovt Secretariate, Government Info-Technology Services (GITS) and now you (KEPSA?) want to add on an ICT authority?
walu.
--- waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote: All this ultimately suggests the necessity for the establishment of an oversight statutory ICT Authority as is being proposed by KEPSA to the ongoing Government harmonization Committee.
--- waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:
Actually the Government never voted and was never called upon to vote on this issue. The Government only facilitated
stakeholder committee at KEBS and national voting was done by members of that committee. The overall issue however reiterates what I see as a persistent problem regarding ICT and Government: ICT is wide and diverse, as well as being horizontal to the Governm ent structure. This sometimes leads to matters that are considered "ICT" not revolving around a central spoke in the Governemnt structure. So for example KEBS (and by extension issues of ICT standards) falls under the Ministry of trade. In the committee that handled OOXML there was no representative from the Ministry of Info and Comm., which was a mistake because the Government was a Stakeholder. All this ultimately suggests the necessity for the establishment of an oversight statutory ICT Authority as is being proposed by KEPSA to the ongoing Government harmonization Committee.
Waudo
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Louis Otieno, Microsoft general manager in East and Southern Africa denied the allegations, saying that Microsoft EA acted appropriately.
"We've acted appropriately in all instances. And we are grateful that the National Body members engaged in this
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From: "Leonard Mware" <mleonardo@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 9:18 PM (2 years ago) View as text - Show original Show full header I agree with Monica. Perhaps change KICTB to KICTA? Then make e-gov a department of KICTA? This would be better than creating a new outfit. Expand scope of existing Board. L ----- Original Message ---- From: Monica Kerretts-Makau <mkmakau@yahoo.co.uk> To: mleonardo@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 2:51:23 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT Authority? Waudo, While I agree that there needs to be coordination, should there not be a review of existing agencies : for scope and mandate and see if these agencies can be realigned to meet the gaps as raised rather than creating a new body? In doing so we may end up with even lesser institutions if some are merged etc? Dr. Monica Kerretts-Makau On 24/4/08 2:26 PM, "waudo siganga" <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:
Alex - actually the KEPSA proposal is not at a stage of detail. I think the first stage is for all to determine and agree, as KEPSA has done, that there is a problem of "coordination and coherence" with regard to ICT and Government. We can use a forum like this one to share experiences to determine this. For me the reality is that ICT is cross-cutting and horizontal to the Government structure while most Ministries appear structured to operate in a vertical format. The Ministry of trade will tell you that OOXML (and ICT standards in general) is their baby; so is the yet to be attended to WTO Information Technology Act; so is signing (WTO) commitments to liberalize ICT services sector. Finance will claim GITS; Immigration want to unilaterally control the entry of ICT experts into the country, etc. There is no-one stop-shop to manage or even act as an interface. In this connection an ICT Authority is just one proposal but the flesh of it would have to come from wider consultation and input of all stakeholders.
Waudo
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:03:05 -0700 (PDT), "Alex Gakuru" <alex.gakuru@yahoo.com> said:
--- Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Can the proposal be shared in this list?
I have refrained from commenting without seeing and understanding what the said proposal contains.
Alex
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By the way I have no objection to an ICT Authority....I think such an agency (RITA) has done wonders for Rwanda, founded by none other than Dr. J Oketch the current boss at eGovt. But such a body must come in to play an over-arching role over the others rather than focus on a sub-theme as it were...maybe i will take a look at the KEPSA proposal.
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That's true Robert. That needs to be solved. The other problem is questions like yours getting hijacked by side-shows. On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 13:39 +0000, "robert yawe" <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Hi Chairman, I believe that the possibility of issues being regurgitated will never end in so long as there is no central depository of the kictanet discussions. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ____________________________________________________________ From: waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, 6 April, 2010 12:15:35 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building Dear Colleagues - just to bring to your attention that the issue of an ICT Authority is a repeat of of previous discussions on this list. We could be going round in circles as evidenced by this extract from 2 years ago: From: "John Walubengo" <jwalu@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 4:13 PM (2 years ago) [1]Show original [2]Show full header Something I couldnt help floating on the list...ofcourse with permission... walu. --- FastMail.FM WARNING: URL text and host don't match, possible phishing attempt. URL disabled. Original URL='https://www.fastmail.fm/mail/?MLS=MR-**f4103020u39635*;SMB-C F=4103020;SMB-CS=subject%3A%22ict%20authority%22;SMR-PT=;SMR -UM=f4103020u39635;UDm=119;Ust=cd83a1d9!b53341a5;MSignal=MC- FN*U-1*amugambi%40jambo.co.ke'. Original text='<span style="color:#333366;line-height:130%;">amugambi@jambo.co.ke</spa n>'. For more information on phishing click further wrote:here. I have been following the ongoing online melodrama debate of the ICT Authority with keen interest. Here are my thoughts.. 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The only way you will have a clear helicopter view of the sector and be able to draw on synergies such as combined trunks, data centres, fail over and disaster recovery strategy, is to have an implementation company run and manage vendors as well as shortlist/blacklist vendors for all Governmet ICT services. And this is exactly what the ICT Authority would be doing amongst others! --- FastMail.FM WARNING: URL text and host don't match, possible phishing attempt. URL disabled. Original URL='https://www.fastmail.fm/mail/?MLS=MR-**f4103020u39635*;SMB-C F=4103020;SMB-CS=subject%3A%22ict%20authority%22;SMR-PT=;SMR -UM=f4103020u39635;UDm=119;Ust=cd83a1d9!b53341a5;MSignal=MC- FN*U-1*amugambi%40jambo.co.ke'. Original text='<span style="color:#333366;line-height:130%;">amugambi@jambo.co.ke</spa n>'. For more information on phishing click further wrote:here. Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:28:41 +0300 (EAT) Subject: More on ICT Authority? 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Walu, Further to my mail this morning, i wish to add the following. There is need for a body to manage and coordinate the management and Maintainance ICT aspects of govt (the non-exciting and zero-money stuff) as vendors have interest in all the money minting aspects above anything else. Others are being driven by the potential of creating monster projects that can be funded by the WorldBank as well as other bilateral and multilateral partners. Each player (GITS, Egov, ICT Board, CCK et al) seems to have all components of a complete self contained ICT business/market by themselves. They can and do buy, fund, implement, and use ICT products and services, so to them their systems and ICT use encompasses all aspects from design, funding, procurement,implementation, management and Maintainance with the last 2 as most neglected. The two most neglected items (ICT Management and Maintenace) could be addressed if we could take the approach where the Policy Maker becomes a Rejigged CCK (technology), ICT Board does the commercial/environment), KEBS(Standards), and Implementer could be a New Entity or Rejigged GITS (same name or a different monster and could comprise of E-gov, et al) The User would be the Government of Kenya with a Usergroup Board made of other ICT players including major GOK CITOs Other grey areas can be run by committees ... Easier to constitute, don't have to be employees of GOK and can be funded by MOIC. What do you think?? Kinoti Mugambi possible phishing attempt. URL disabled. Original URL='https://www.fastmail.fm/mail/?MLS=MR-**f4103020u39635*;SMB-C F=4103020;SMB-CS=subject%3A%22ict%20authority%22;SMR-PT=;SMR -UM=f4103020u39635;UDm=119;Ust=cd83a1d9!b53341a5;MSignal=MC- FN*U-1*MEldon%40symphony.co.ke'. 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First, it's a shame that e-Gov and GITS have not merged. They should, and in a 'neutral' ministry like OP.
Then, as far as the coordination need is concerned I see a number of options: - have one of the bodies convene the others to handle issues where more than one is involved - expand the mandate of one of the existing ones to cover the need identified by Waudo - the option mooted by Waudo
Mike Eldon
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT Authority?
I would not see any overlap Walu as the bodies you have
their specific mandates which are not encompassing the ICT universe. Roughly I think ICT Board is for marketing (Min. of INFOCOM), GITS to run Gov. ICT services (Min. of Finance) and the e-Secretariat to implement the e-Gov. strategy (Office of Pres.). I am always open to correction but meantime I am endorsing the KEPSA
mentioned have proposal.
Waudo
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 04:23:50 -0700 (PDT), "John Walubengo" <FastMail.FM WARNING: URL text and host don't match, possible
Waudo,
jst wondering if we dont already have enough overlaps between ICT Board, eGovt Secretariate, Government Info-Technology Services (GITS) and now you (KEPSA?) want to add on an ICT authority?
walu.
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All this ultimately suggests the necessity for the establishment of an oversight statutory ICT Authority as is being proposed by KEPSA to the ongoing Government harmonization Committee.
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Actually the Government never voted and was never
upon to vote on this issue. The Government only facilitated
called the
stakeholder committee at KEBS and national voting was done by members of that committee. The overall issue however reiterates what I see as a persistent problem regarding ICT and Government: ICT is wide and diverse, as well as being horizontal to the Governm ent structure. This sometimes leads to matters that are considered "ICT" not revolving around a central spoke in the Governemnt structure. So for example KEBS (and by extension issues of ICT standards) falls under the Ministry of trade. In the committee that handled OOXML there was no representative from the Ministry of Info and Comm., which was a mistake because the Government was a Stakeholder. All this ultimately suggests the necessity for the establishment of an oversight statutory ICT Authority as is being proposed by KEPSA to the ongoing Government harmonization Committee.
Waudo
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From: "Leonard Mware" <mleonardo@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 9:18 PM (2 years ago) [22]View as text - [23]Show original [24]Show full header I agree with Monica. Perhaps change KICTB to KICTA? Then make e-gov a department of KICTA? This would be better than creating a new outfit. Expand scope of existing Board. L ----- Original Message ---- From: Monica Kerretts-Makau <mkmakau@yahoo.co.uk> To: mleonardo@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 2:51:23 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT Authority? Waudo, While I agree that there needs to be coordination, should there not be a review of existing agencies : for scope and mandate and see if these agencies can be realigned to meet the gaps as raised rather than creating a new body? In doing so we may end up with even lesser institutions if some are merged etc? Dr. Monica Kerretts-Makau On 24/4/08 2:26 PM, "waudo siganga" <[25]emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:
Alex - actually the KEPSA proposal is not at a stage of detail. I think the first stage is for all to determine and agree, as KEPSA has done, that there is a problem of "coordination and coherence" with regard to ICT and Government. We can use a forum like this one to share experiences to determine this. For me the reality is that ICT is cross-cutting and horizontal to the Government structure while most Ministries appear structured to operate in a vertical format. The Ministry of trade will tell you that OOXML (and ICT standards in general) is their baby; so is the yet to be attended to WTO Information Technology Act; so is signing (WTO) commitments to liberalize ICT services sector. Finance will claim GITS; Immigration want to unilaterally control the entry of ICT experts into the country, etc. There is no-one stop-shop to manage or even act as an interface. In this connection an ICT Authority is just one proposal but the flesh of it would have to come from wider consultation and input of all stakeholders.
Waudo
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:03:05 -0700 (PDT), "Alex Gakuru" <[26]alex.gakuru@yahoo.com> said:
--- Edith Adera <[27]eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Can the proposal be shared in this list?
I have refrained from commenting without seeing and understanding what the said proposal contains.
Alex
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On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 4:39 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Chairman,
I believe that the possibility of issues being regurgitated will never end in so long as there is no central depository of the kictanet discussions.
Hi Robert, That central depository already exists at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/pipermail/kictanet/. There is a search box at the top which isn't working but a fix is being worked on. In the meantime Google comes to the rescue: You can use google to search the archives by (as you may already be knowing) site: http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/pipermail/kictanet/ "keyword(s)" -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
Hi, We are raising issues about the government not being able to provide a central view of its activities to the mwanainchi yet we ourselves do not have such a feature. Can we be the example to the rest on how technology can be used painlessly, we do we keep the current format yet the cost of the technology to implement a better solution exists? Lets appreciate the fact that new people keep joining the list and like the flickering clocks that we used to have on our VCR systems we never read manuals, come to think of it does facebook have a manual? Lets mover this list to the next level where issues raised can easily be followed to a logical conclusion and make it easier for newbies to see historical threads. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, 6 April, 2010 18:00:24 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Regurgitated of topics On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 4:39 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Chairman,
I believe that the possibility of issues being regurgitated will never end in so long as there is no central depository of the kictanet discussions.
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Lilian, This is so comprehensive.. Hope, notes are being taken from these resourceful discussions coming in. Mine, is just a proposal. Clearly, the different agencies existing, happen to work within some form of mandate in their own areas of jurisdiction or so, whether the mandates are competing mandates or a duplication, it may be quite difficult to just "merge" them.. Clearly, Listers - one thing that is now clear, is that ICT is a huge phenomenon, that cuts' out across the entire spectrum of Govt and ministries - beyond INFOCOM. This means, stakeholders from other Govt. sectors need to be brought into the fold to harmonize strategy.. I suppose therefore, this may call for an oversight body - to which, each of the Govt agencies can have a representation. This oversight, could encompass reps, from all sectors, private , and govt. All interests should be declared as a pre-requisite to serving on this panel for purposes of accountability and transparency.. If in order, I could float some names for such a body, such as:- * National ICT Task Force - (NICTAF) * National ICT Agency of Kenya - (NICTAK) * National ICT Oversight Board -(NICTOB) Other names are welcome.. Harry _____ From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Lilian Karanja Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 11:43 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building Yes, Robert.......I see. Certainly, what GoK needs is ICT Governance. "Without governance you do not produce good decisions consistently. 'Governance' in the context of the management of ICT crafts a clear framework in which decisions are made, who makes the decisions about business and technology developments, who has input into the decision-making process and how the decisions are formed". In my opinion, the ICT Board (under Min. Of Info Comm), the Directorate of e-Government (under OP), the GITS Department (under Min. Of Finance), and both the CCK and NCS (both under Min. Of Info Comm) seem to have related ICT goals and objectives. They (unfortunately) don't seem to oftenly collaborate in their decision-making. I personally like the idea of a KITA like SITA/RITA. Sometime ago, the Directorate of e-Government seemed to come-up into a KITA (in the way we think of SITA/RITA), but did not 'mature' into the institution envisioned. GoK ICT Governance Decisions would ideally focus on: . Determining the strategic approach to e-government and ICT within GoK . How the e-government initiatives should be used in GoK, to improve services, reduce costs, develop the community, etc . How fundamental e-government and ICT is to GoK and the country at large . The way e-government and ICT is to be managed (e.g. by what mechanism and how resources are to be managed) . The way investments are to be made and policies on realising and sharing benefits . How the required skills are to be procured (through strategic partnerships, in-house, through consortium, etc) . The principles that underlie the ICT architecture . Setting priorities and determining e-government and ICT investment programmes . Managing the foundations and regulations regarding the core elements of the infrastructure: o Personnel - who will be responsible for their professional development and where certain skills should reside o Methods and techniques - what project/programme management, development and operations management standards should be used o Charging mechanisms and services standards (performance management) o Information - standards to enable the effective sharing of information o Core applications - intranet, finance systems, payroll, registries and personnel standards, etc o Technical - network, consolidated service desk, data standards o Security o Legal This has conspicuously missed within GoK, in the past years. We look to GoK greatly to spur 'mwananchi' by keenly committing to 'add value' to broadband so that their attitude, confidence and appreciation towards the use ICTs and the Internet increases (especially in the rural areas, as they access Government e-Services), thus creating an Internet Community and an IT culture. Am not sure we necessarily need support from outside to do this, even donor funds (we don't need). We can do it on our own, as we (Kenya) are, now, known to be an emerging knowledge economy. GoK can lead the way to create a Kenyan way 'working with'and using ICT. We have so many Youth (any way), who are jobless! Lets purposefully develop capacity of these young and use them sufficiently. I rest my case, and I apologise for any misunderstandings. LILIAN --- On Tue, 4/6/10, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building To: "Lilian Karanja" <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 12:32 AM Hi Lilian, Just wanted to clarify an issue, government has some of the best trained ICT fellows and I know because I have regularly interacted with them for over 10 years. Do not be deceived by the fact that they are no fancy websites or iphone applications the men and women who keep the government systems running are basically miracle workers. How they do it is beyond my comprehension and the last thin they need is a capacity building what they need like all with the other areas of government is a co-ordinator or a Deputy Prime Minister IS. Hon Raila has definitely moved government efficiency a notch higher and without a "dream team" or expatriate consultants all he did was dust off the diamonds within. Government has a beautiful retention strategy which is we pay you for 2 hours a day and we expect you to only deliver the paid for work, if you are unable to find something profitable to do with the balance 6 hours then that is your problem. What we need is a deputy prime minister information systems or ICT or BPO whatever the name of which KICTB has proven not to be to "desilo" (term coined by Dr. Ndemo during the PM Round table meeting) the government activities. Can you government ICT gurus stick your heads out and defend your selves, I know many of you are on this listing, so be warned that next time I need to put the record strait on your behalf I will actually name names. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 _____ From: Lilian Karanja <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Mon, 5 April, 2010 16:58:41 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked Dear PS: It is a little discouraging to hear you say that the issues discussed in this topic are 'kuchongoana tu'. We look up to you, and others in Government and also in the private sector who are so passionate about the use of ICTs and the Internet to create opportunities for all, in Kenya, and see that ICT remains a reliable vehicle for economic growth and development. So, please don't stop listening to us, patiently and we beseech you to continue in your wisdom in dealing with these matters. This topic, 'Who is ICT Board?' as well as that of 'eGovernment is it a myth or reality?' have raised important questions that should be addressed with 'a big heart' and an open mind. As you have noted, a town hall meeting is good and always welcome. However, moving forward, it needs to be clear how ICT Board interacts with Government and how it promotes the existence of an Institutional Framework for ICT management in Government. Clearly, the ICT Board manages of a huge chunk of donor funds for ICT growth in Kenya, eGovernment and the likes (through the KTCIP), but still the Government lags behind in their ICT technical know-how and skills. While one of their mandate (the ICT Board) is Capacity Building (Providing GoK and other stakeholders with skills, capacity and funding for anchor implementation of ICT projects for development) over time we have only seen laxity in the management of ICT by Government i.e. poor websites, unsatisfactory performance of legacy systems, inconsistent DNS & IP address management, meagre IT Security (web, network, etc), little or no R&D and M&E of ICT & eGovt, etc. But may be it is not deliberate laxity, it is that the Government Officers who manage IT issues in Government are not continuously trained in all pertinent areas to raise experts and skillful personnel. I hope this is an area ICT Board can address, when they say that part of their mandate is Capacity Building, otherwise we have Government Officers who cannot do much to use broadband properly and strategically as well as make eGovernment a reality. The cabilities of these Officers should be close to, if not better than those in the private sector. And when GoK finally has real experts and engineers in ICT, a retention strategy MUST be adopted to keep them and recompense them accordingly. This is the future of Government IT, 'people who are knowledgeable and focused on a bright future'. LILIAN --- On Sun, 4/4/10, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote: From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked To: "Lilian" <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 9:42 AM Barrack, Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it will be wise if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had on Malili. Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create these agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms are good only when you point out where there are gaps. The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only one person did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya kuchongoana tu. Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy proposals that I really think should push through then arouse sufficient interest from the membership here. Ndemo.
This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this questions are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can someone provide us with a list of all agencies involved in ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do some tooth comb analysis, i saw a post from Paul on what the board has achieved early this year, that was very much in order we need something from NCS as well plus any other agencies.
Regards
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga <volunga@yahoo.com <http://us.mc452.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=volunga@yahoo.com> > wrote:
There is also another body , National Communications Secretarait. What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord and how do the two bodies relate with respect to advisory services to the governement on ICT matters?
Regards
Vitalis
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Hi, I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, Try reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to do anything and everything under the sun that could be called ICT which includes your microwave oven and copier. Functions of Kenya ICT Board The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the Kenya Gazette Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: . To advice the government on all relevant matters pertaining to development, coordination (remember the PM post) and promotion of ICT industries in the country. . Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities for investments in ICT technology . Facilitate and manage ICT industrial incubation parks and technology parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and land. . Partner with agents within and without the country to carry out such functions as it may consider necessary. . To transform and empower society through deployment and use of ICTs. . Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT products and services. Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G, yes you guessed it I still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi. Regards
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A perspective that might enrich the forthcoming meeting. At the onset, I will suggest we cast our net wider to include anyone who might not be on this list for that meeting. 1. The public sector is busy transforming in a way that matters to the common citizen, and in a way that will long term impact. - As an example, Public sector leaders presented 5 interesting case studies in government automation at the just ended connected government workshop (all slides on www.ict.go.ke/connectedgov) - Kenya Revenue Authority on their progress since inception on automation, By their IT Head Mr Saina - The automation of the Company registry including the initial reorganization of the registry, the on-going digitization and future service targets for citizens benefit. Presentation by Mr Wanjuki Muchemi, Solicitor General - The Integrated Population Registry System, presented by both the PS Immigrations Mr Emmanuel Kisombe and his team. Of note here is the role this would play in giving the government a 'single point of truth' of the citizen. - The on-going automation of the Kenya Medical Supplies Agency (KEMSA). Presented by the Director KEMSA - The Government Data Centre, presented by John Sergon Ag Director E Government. - Private sector was surprised by how committed and well thought and these projects are. These are just examples and they illustrate a government committed to laying the foundation for better citizen services. - Those projects, when combined with the Government's role in TEAMs, the just commenced shared services project, the project to digitize the judiciary and the Ministry of Lands point to clear priorities. Private sector should align themselves around the opportunities presented by government. ( I cannot stop preaching this). - Vision 2030 Director General provided an update on the work to develop a national value proposition proposed to anchored around Kenya's core strength as a hub and a centre of entrepreneurship and innovation within Africa. - Indeed in his wrap up, PS Dr Ndemo re-iterated the level of opportunity this all represented, but also stressed that there was still work to be done to get to where we want to get to. 2. While there can be no shortage of ideas on how the government can and should be structured the debate could be enriched by discussion around where greater co-operation could break down silos and the role private sector might play. Indeed PS Ndemo pointed this issue out during the Prime Minister's Round Table recently. Private Sector, Civil Society and Academia add value by providing case studies of successes and failures locally with IT deployments, how the common citizen may be better served, even within the current reality. Good examples of successes include Safaricom's roll out 3G services even in very remote parts of Kenya to enable citizens have better broadband experience, Cisco is rolling out training in their Net Academies to enrich the digital villages concept by enabling training in rural communities and Oracle is investing in the capacity of IT leaders both government and private sector, to understand how to deploy complex technologies that are necessary, in order that we have simplified IT access. (as you know there is always complex systems behind simplified access. If you doubt that, try rolling out a WIMAX network, or running a BPO firm.). 3. Some private sector participant observed to me that there might be a trend perhaps among a few on always putting forward suggestions without knowledge on what is on the ground, always proposing alternatives and not building on ideas and listening without internalization. While there is no harm in this, I would suggest a greater role for private sector, civil society and academia. These sectors could use their constituencies (if these are professional bodies, or associations, or working groups) to create forums for discourse on the issues and provide leadership and guidance, that is seen to be drawn from the constituencies themselves. The ICT Board interacts with many stakeholders and indeed many of them are also themselves looking for a suitable professional home. (be it the CIO Forum, KIFF, TESPOK, Kictanet, Skunkworks, Mobile Monday, Mobile Value Added Service Providers, the BPO sector, the systems intergrators, the Multinationals Forum, Pasha Trainees. They have diverse needs. Before the town hall meeting, my team could provide a brief summary of our observation in interacting with all them. Indeed in doing the rounds, we have not covered many of them. They are many.. 4. It is entrepreneurs who will build a true ICT sector, one business at a time. Fortunately we have plenty of them in Kenya. Many who seek guidance and counsel on where to direct their energies. There are some who believe IT is fibre optic and others still in the 'buy ICT equipment and sell mode". We are always encouraging them at forums such as the Tandaa Conferences and the Mobile Boot camp to widen their view into applications, solutions, project management, consultancy, new media development (animation, web marketing, mobile marketing) etc. This requires concerted effort. During the Connected Gov workshop, we showcased animations developed by Home Boys Studios in Kenya using local talent (who had no prior animation training). These animations are being shown on UK TV. Local companies like Symbiotic, Cellulant gave case studies of the challenges and opportunities entrepreuners face, and Seven Seas a large Kenyan system integrator demonstrated how the government could deploy a digital dashboard and how partnering with Safaricom, they have developed capacity building program to train for IT. 5. One last observation is that as ICT becomes more sophisticated, perhaps we can look at the role of the CIO and the CTO within both private sector and public sector structures. On this score, a few private sector firms in Kenya provide examples of ideal IT governance structure and we all could welcome them to share their experiences. Paul Kukubo Chief Executive Officer, Kenya ICT Board PO Box 27150 - 00100 Nairobi, Kenya 12th Floor, Teleposta Towers Koinange Street Tel +254 20 2089061, +254 20 2211960 Fax: +254 20 2211962 website: www.ict.go.ke local content project: www.tandaa.co.ke, www.facebook.com/tandaakenya twitter:@tandaaKENYA BPO Project: www. doitinkenya.co.ke Digital Villages Project: www.pasha.co.ke personal contacts _______________ Cell: + 254 717 180001 skype: kukubopaul googletalk: pkukubo personal blog: www.paulkukubo.co.ke personal twitter: @pkukubo ____________________ Vision: Kenya becomes a top ten global ICT hub Mission: To champion and actively enable Kenya to adopt and exploit ICT, through promotion of partnerships, investments and infrastructure growth for socio economic enrichment On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Lilian,
This is so comprehensive.. Hope, notes are being taken from these resourceful discussions coming in.
Mine, is just a proposal. Clearly, the different agencies existing, happen to work within some form of mandate in their own areas of jurisdiction or so, whether the mandates are competing mandates or a duplication, it may be quite difficult to just "merge" them..
Clearly, Listers - one thing that is now clear, is that ICT is a huge phenomenon, that cuts' out across the entire spectrum of Govt and ministries - beyond INFOCOM. This means, stakeholders from other Govt. sectors need to be brought into the fold to harmonize strategy..
I suppose therefore, this may call for an oversight body - to which, each of the Govt agencies can have a representation. This oversight, could encompass reps, from all sectors, private , and govt. All interests should be declared as a pre-requisite to serving on this panel for purposes of accountability and transparency..
If in order, I could float some names for such a body, such as:-
- National ICT Task Force - (NICTAF) - National ICT Agency of Kenya - (NICTAK) - National ICT Oversight Board -(NICTOB)
Other names are welcome..
Harry
------------------------------ *From:* kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke[mailto: kictanet-bounces+harry <kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>=comtelsys.co.ke@ lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Lilian Karanja *Sent:* Tuesday, April 06, 2010 11:43 AM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke
*Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building
Yes, Robert.......I see.
Certainly, what GoK needs is ICT Governance. “Without governance you do not produce good decisions consistently. ‘Governance’ in the context of the management of ICT crafts a clear framework in which decisions are made, who makes the decisions about business and technology developments, who has input into the decision-making process and how the decisions are formed”.
In my opinion, the ICT Board (under Min. Of Info Comm), the Directorate of e-Government (under OP), the GITS Department (under Min. Of Finance), and both the CCK and NCS (both under Min. Of Info Comm) seem to have related ICT goals and objectives. They (unfortunately) don’t seem to oftenly collaborate in their decision-making. I personally like the idea of a KITA like SITA/RITA. Sometime ago, the Directorate of e-Government seemed to come-up into a KITA (in the way we think of SITA/RITA), but did not ‘mature’ into the institution envisioned.
*GoK ICT Governance Decisions would ideally focus on:***
· *Determining the strategic approach to e-government and ICT within GoK*
· *How the e-government initiatives should be used in GoK, to improve services, reduce costs, develop the community, etc*
· *How fundamental e-government and ICT is to GoK and the country at large*
· *The way e-government and ICT is to be managed (e.g. by what mechanism and how resources are to be managed)*
· * **The way investments are to be made and policies on realising and sharing benefits*
· * **How the required skills are to be procured (through strategic partnerships, in-house, through consortium, etc)*
· * **The principles that underlie the ICT architecture*
· * **Setting priorities and determining e-government and ICT investment programmes*
· * **Managing the foundations and regulations regarding the core elements of the infrastructure:*
o *Personnel – who will be responsible for their professional development and where certain skills should reside*
o * **Methods and techniques – what project/programme management, development and operations management standards should be used*
o * **Charging mechanisms and services standards (performance management)*
o *Information – standards to enable the effective sharing of information*
o * **Core applications – intranet, finance systems, payroll, registries and personnel standards, etc*
o *Technical – network, consolidated service desk, data standards*
o * **Security***
o * **Legal***
* *
This has conspicuously missed within GoK, in the past years. We look to GoK greatly to spur ‘mwananchi’ by keenly committing to ‘add value’ to broadband so that their attitude, confidence and appreciation towards the use ICTs and the Internet increases (especially in the rural areas, as they access Government e-Services), thus creating an Internet Community and an IT culture. Am not sure we necessarily need support from outside to do this, even donor funds (we don’t need). We can do it on our own, as we (Kenya) are, now, known to be an emerging knowledge economy. GoK can lead the way to create a Kenyan way ‘working with’and using ICT. We have so many Youth (any way), who are jobless! Lets purposefully develop capacity of these young and use them sufficiently.
I rest my case, and I apologise for any misunderstandings.
LILIAN
--- On *Tue, 4/6/10, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>* wrote:
From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building To: "Lilian Karanja" <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 12:32 AM
Hi Lilian,
Just wanted to clarify an issue, government has some of the best trained ICT fellows and I know because I have regularly interacted with them for over 10 years. Do not be deceived by the fact that they are no fancy websites or iphone applications the men and women who keep the government systems running are basically miracle workers.
How they do it is beyond my comprehension and the last thin they need is a capacity building what they need like all with the other areas of government is a co-ordinator or a Deputy Prime Minister IS. Hon Raila has definitely moved government efficiency a notch higher and without a "dream team" or expatriate consultants all he did was dust off the diamonds within.
Government has a beautiful retention strategy which is we pay you for 2 hours a day and we expect you to only deliver the paid for work, if you are unable to find something profitable to do with the balance 6 hours then that is your problem.
What we need is a deputy prime minister information systems or ICT or BPO whatever the name of which KICTB has proven not to be to "desilo" (term coined by Dr. Ndemo during the PM Round table meeting) the government activities.
Can you government ICT gurus stick your heads out and defend your selves, I know many of you are on this listing, so be warned that next time I need to put the record strait on your behalf I will actually name names.
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
------------------------------ *From:* Lilian Karanja <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Mon, 5 April, 2010 16:58:41 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
Dear PS:
It is a little discouraging to hear you say that the issues discussed in this topic are 'kuchongoana tu'. We look up to you, and others in Government and also in the private sector who are so passionate about the use of ICTs and the Internet to create opportunities for all, in Kenya, and see that ICT remains a reliable vehicle for economic growth and development. So, please don't stop listening to us, patiently and we beseech you to continue in your wisdom in dealing with these matters.
This topic, 'Who is ICT Board?' as well as that of 'eGovernment is it a myth or reality?' have raised important questions that should be addressed with 'a big heart' and an open mind. As you have noted, a town hall meeting is good and always welcome. However, moving forward, it needs to be clear how ICT Board interacts with Government and how it promotes the existence of an Institutional Framework for ICT management in Government. Clearly, the ICT Board manages of a huge chunk of donor funds for ICT growth in Kenya, eGovernment and the likes (through the KTCIP), but still the Government lags behind in their ICT technical know-how and skills.
While one of their mandate (the ICT Board) is *Capacity Building (*Providing GoK and other stakeholders with skills, capacity and funding for anchor implementation of ICT projects for development) over time we have only seen laxity in the management of ICT by Government i.e. poor websites, unsatisfactory performance of legacy systems, inconsistent DNS & IP address management, meagre IT Security (web, network, etc), little or no R&D and M&E of ICT & eGovt, etc. But may be it is not deliberate laxity, it is that the Government Officers who manage IT issues in Government are not continuously trained in all pertinent areas to raise experts and skillful personnel.
I hope this is an area ICT Board can address, when they say that part of their mandate is *Capacity Building, *otherwise we have Government Officers who cannot do much to use broadband properly and strategically as well as make eGovernment a reality. The cabilities of these Officers should be close to, if not better than those in the private sector. And when GoK finally has real experts and engineers in ICT, a retention strategy MUST be adopted to keep them and recompense them accordingly. This is the future of Government IT, 'people who are knowledgeable and focused on a bright future'.
LILIAN
--- On *Sun, 4/4/10, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke>* wrote:
From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked To: "Lilian" <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 9:42 AM
Barrack, Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it will be wise if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had on Malili. Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create these agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms are good only when you point out where there are gaps.
The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only one person did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya kuchongoana tu. Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy proposals that I really think should push through then arouse sufficient interest from the membership here.
Ndemo.
This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this questions are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can someone provide us with a list of all agencies involved in ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do some tooth comb analysis, i saw a post from Paul on what the board has achieved early this year, that was very much in order we need something from NCS as well plus any other agencies.
Regards
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There is also another body , National Communications Secretarait. What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord and how do the two bodies relate with respect to advisory services to the governement on ICT matters?
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Hi, I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, Try reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to do anything and everything under the sun that could be called ICT which includes your microwave oven and copier. Functions of Kenya ICT Board The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the Kenya Gazette Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: • To advice the government on all relevant matters pertaining to development, coordination (remember the PM post) and promotion of ICT industries in the country. • Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities for investments in ICT technology • Facilitate and manage ICT industrial incubation parks and technology parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and land. • Partner with agents within and without the country to carry out such functions as it may consider necessary. • To transform and empower society through deployment and use of ICTs. • Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT products and services. Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G, yes you guessed it I still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi. Regards
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Thanks Paul, for this comprehensive and insightful feedback This would really be good - casting the net wider to have a wider representation as much as possible, and for views to be incorporated. The efforts being made out there and the gains made are very much in the open for all to see - Looking at the various accomplishments by different Govt agencies. . However, I suppose from most of the feedback on the list, all the well meaning efforts should be harnessed at some kind of a centralized point - That has a mandate for oversight & Audit - which would hold the implementing agencies accountable. Again, it might call for some piece of legislation to give such an oversight the requisite teeth and a clear mandate to govern, and bring order across the entire ICT landscape - on the Govt front. How do we approach it..? Will it meet resistance..? Lastly, how do we make sure, all possible participants & stakeholders can be reached to attend the townhall meeting...? Regards, Harry _____ From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Paul Kukubo Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 8:09 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building A perspective that might enrich the forthcoming meeting. At the onset, I will suggest we cast our net wider to include anyone who might not be on this list for that meeting. 1. The public sector is busy transforming in a way that matters to the common citizen, and in a way that will long term impact. * As an example, Public sector leaders presented 5 interesting case studies in government automation at the just ended connected government workshop (all slides on www.ict.go.ke/connectedgov) * Kenya Revenue Authority on their progress since inception on automation, By their IT Head Mr Saina * The automation of the Company registry including the initial reorganization of the registry, the on-going digitization and future service targets for citizens benefit. Presentation by Mr Wanjuki Muchemi, Solicitor General * The Integrated Population Registry System, presented by both the PS Immigrations Mr Emmanuel Kisombe and his team. Of note here is the role this would play in giving the government a 'single point of truth' of the citizen. * The on-going automation of the Kenya Medical Supplies Agency (KEMSA). Presented by the Director KEMSA * The Government Data Centre, presented by John Sergon Ag Director E Government. * Private sector was surprised by how committed and well thought and these projects are. These are just examples and they illustrate a government committed to laying the foundation for better citizen services. * Those projects, when combined with the Government's role in TEAMs, the just commenced shared services project, the project to digitize the judiciary and the Ministry of Lands point to clear priorities. Private sector should align themselves around the opportunities presented by government. ( I cannot stop preaching this). * Vision 2030 Director General provided an update on the work to develop a national value proposition proposed to anchored around Kenya's core strength as a hub and a centre of entrepreneurship and innovation within Africa. * Indeed in his wrap up, PS Dr Ndemo re-iterated the level of opportunity this all represented, but also stressed that there was still work to be done to get to where we want to get to. 2. While there can be no shortage of ideas on how the government can and should be structured the debate could be enriched by discussion around where greater co-operation could break down silos and the role private sector might play. Indeed PS Ndemo pointed this issue out during the Prime Minister's Round Table recently. Private Sector, Civil Society and Academia add value by providing case studies of successes and failures locally with IT deployments, how the common citizen may be better served, even within the current reality. Good examples of successes include Safaricom's roll out 3G services even in very remote parts of Kenya to enable citizens have better broadband experience, Cisco is rolling out training in their Net Academies to enrich the digital villages concept by enabling training in rural communities and Oracle is investing in the capacity of IT leaders both government and private sector, to understand how to deploy complex technologies that are necessary, in order that we have simplified IT access. (as you know there is always complex systems behind simplified access. If you doubt that, try rolling out a WIMAX network, or running a BPO firm.). 3. Some private sector participant observed to me that there might be a trend perhaps among a few on always putting forward suggestions without knowledge on what is on the ground, always proposing alternatives and not building on ideas and listening without internalization. While there is no harm in this, I would suggest a greater role for private sector, civil society and academia. These sectors could use their constituencies (if these are professional bodies, or associations, or working groups) to create forums for discourse on the issues and provide leadership and guidance, that is seen to be drawn from the constituencies themselves. The ICT Board interacts with many stakeholders and indeed many of them are also themselves looking for a suitable professional home. (be it the CIO Forum, KIFF, TESPOK, Kictanet, Skunkworks, Mobile Monday, Mobile Value Added Service Providers, the BPO sector, the systems intergrators, the Multinationals Forum, Pasha Trainees. They have diverse needs. Before the town hall meeting, my team could provide a brief summary of our observation in interacting with all them. Indeed in doing the rounds, we have not covered many of them. They are many.. 4. It is entrepreneurs who will build a true ICT sector, one business at a time. Fortunately we have plenty of them in Kenya. Many who seek guidance and counsel on where to direct their energies. There are some who believe IT is fibre optic and others still in the 'buy ICT equipment and sell mode". We are always encouraging them at forums such as the Tandaa Conferences and the Mobile Boot camp to widen their view into applications, solutions, project management, consultancy, new media development (animation, web marketing, mobile marketing) etc. This requires concerted effort. During the Connected Gov workshop, we showcased animations developed by Home Boys Studios in Kenya using local talent (who had no prior animation training). These animations are being shown on UK TV. Local companies like Symbiotic, Cellulant gave case studies of the challenges and opportunities entrepreuners face, and Seven Seas a large Kenyan system integrator demonstrated how the government could deploy a digital dashboard and how partnering with Safaricom, they have developed capacity building program to train for IT. 5. One last observation is that as ICT becomes more sophisticated, perhaps we can look at the role of the CIO and the CTO within both private sector and public sector structures. On this score, a few private sector firms in Kenya provide examples of ideal IT governance structure and we all could welcome them to share their experiences. Paul Kukubo Chief Executive Officer, Kenya ICT Board PO Box 27150 - 00100 Nairobi, Kenya 12th Floor, Teleposta Towers Koinange Street Tel +254 20 2089061, +254 20 2211960 Fax: +254 20 2211962 website: www.ict.go.ke local content project: www.tandaa.co.ke, www.facebook.com/tandaakenya twitter:@tandaaKENYA BPO Project: www. doitinkenya.co.ke Digital Villages Project: www.pasha.co.ke personal contacts _______________ Cell: + 254 717 180001 skype: kukubopaul googletalk: pkukubo personal blog: www.paulkukubo.co.ke personal twitter: @pkukubo ____________________ Vision: Kenya becomes a top ten global ICT hub Mission: To champion and actively enable Kenya to adopt and exploit ICT, through promotion of partnerships, investments and infrastructure growth for socio economic enrichment On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: Lilian, This is so comprehensive.. Hope, notes are being taken from these resourceful discussions coming in. Mine, is just a proposal. Clearly, the different agencies existing, happen to work within some form of mandate in their own areas of jurisdiction or so, whether the mandates are competing mandates or a duplication, it may be quite difficult to just "merge" them.. Clearly, Listers - one thing that is now clear, is that ICT is a huge phenomenon, that cuts' out across the entire spectrum of Govt and ministries - beyond INFOCOM. This means, stakeholders from other Govt. sectors need to be brought into the fold to harmonize strategy.. I suppose therefore, this may call for an oversight body - to which, each of the Govt agencies can have a representation. This oversight, could encompass reps, from all sectors, private , and govt. All interests should be declared as a pre-requisite to serving on this panel for purposes of accountability and transparency.. If in order, I could float some names for such a body, such as:- * National ICT Task Force - (NICTAF) * National ICT Agency of Kenya - (NICTAK) * National ICT Oversight Board -(NICTOB) Other names are welcome.. Harry _____ From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry <mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bharry> =comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Lilian Karanja Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 11:43 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building Yes, Robert.......I see. Certainly, what GoK needs is ICT Governance. "Without governance you do not produce good decisions consistently. 'Governance' in the context of the management of ICT crafts a clear framework in which decisions are made, who makes the decisions about business and technology developments, who has input into the decision-making process and how the decisions are formed". In my opinion, the ICT Board (under Min. Of Info Comm), the Directorate of e-Government (under OP), the GITS Department (under Min. Of Finance), and both the CCK and NCS (both under Min. Of Info Comm) seem to have related ICT goals and objectives. They (unfortunately) don't seem to oftenly collaborate in their decision-making. I personally like the idea of a KITA like SITA/RITA. Sometime ago, the Directorate of e-Government seemed to come-up into a KITA (in the way we think of SITA/RITA), but did not 'mature' into the institution envisioned. GoK ICT Governance Decisions would ideally focus on: . Determining the strategic approach to e-government and ICT within GoK . How the e-government initiatives should be used in GoK, to improve services, reduce costs, develop the community, etc . How fundamental e-government and ICT is to GoK and the country at large . The way e-government and ICT is to be managed (e.g. by what mechanism and how resources are to be managed) . The way investments are to be made and policies on realising and sharing benefits . How the required skills are to be procured (through strategic partnerships, in-house, through consortium, etc) . The principles that underlie the ICT architecture . Setting priorities and determining e-government and ICT investment programmes . Managing the foundations and regulations regarding the core elements of the infrastructure: o Personnel - who will be responsible for their professional development and where certain skills should reside o Methods and techniques - what project/programme management, development and operations management standards should be used o Charging mechanisms and services standards (performance management) o Information - standards to enable the effective sharing of information o Core applications - intranet, finance systems, payroll, registries and personnel standards, etc o Technical - network, consolidated service desk, data standards o Security o Legal This has conspicuously missed within GoK, in the past years. We look to GoK greatly to spur 'mwananchi' by keenly committing to 'add value' to broadband so that their attitude, confidence and appreciation towards the use ICTs and the Internet increases (especially in the rural areas, as they access Government e-Services), thus creating an Internet Community and an IT culture. Am not sure we necessarily need support from outside to do this, even donor funds (we don't need). We can do it on our own, as we (Kenya) are, now, known to be an emerging knowledge economy. GoK can lead the way to create a Kenyan way 'working with'and using ICT. We have so many Youth (any way), who are jobless! Lets purposefully develop capacity of these young and use them sufficiently. I rest my case, and I apologise for any misunderstandings. LILIAN --- On Tue, 4/6/10, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building To: "Lilian Karanja" <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 12:32 AM Hi Lilian, Just wanted to clarify an issue, government has some of the best trained ICT fellows and I know because I have regularly interacted with them for over 10 years. Do not be deceived by the fact that they are no fancy websites or iphone applications the men and women who keep the government systems running are basically miracle workers. How they do it is beyond my comprehension and the last thin they need is a capacity building what they need like all with the other areas of government is a co-ordinator or a Deputy Prime Minister IS. Hon Raila has definitely moved government efficiency a notch higher and without a "dream team" or expatriate consultants all he did was dust off the diamonds within. Government has a beautiful retention strategy which is we pay you for 2 hours a day and we expect you to only deliver the paid for work, if you are unable to find something profitable to do with the balance 6 hours then that is your problem. What we need is a deputy prime minister information systems or ICT or BPO whatever the name of which KICTB has proven not to be to "desilo" (term coined by Dr. Ndemo during the PM Round table meeting) the government activities. Can you government ICT gurus stick your heads out and defend your selves, I know many of you are on this listing, so be warned that next time I need to put the record strait on your behalf I will actually name names. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 _____ From: Lilian Karanja <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Mon, 5 April, 2010 16:58:41 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked Dear PS: It is a little discouraging to hear you say that the issues discussed in this topic are 'kuchongoana tu'. We look up to you, and others in Government and also in the private sector who are so passionate about the use of ICTs and the Internet to create opportunities for all, in Kenya, and see that ICT remains a reliable vehicle for economic growth and development. So, please don't stop listening to us, patiently and we beseech you to continue in your wisdom in dealing with these matters. This topic, 'Who is ICT Board?' as well as that of 'eGovernment is it a myth or reality?' have raised important questions that should be addressed with 'a big heart' and an open mind. As you have noted, a town hall meeting is good and always welcome. However, moving forward, it needs to be clear how ICT Board interacts with Government and how it promotes the existence of an Institutional Framework for ICT management in Government. Clearly, the ICT Board manages of a huge chunk of donor funds for ICT growth in Kenya, eGovernment and the likes (through the KTCIP), but still the Government lags behind in their ICT technical know-how and skills. While one of their mandate (the ICT Board) is Capacity Building (Providing GoK and other stakeholders with skills, capacity and funding for anchor implementation of ICT projects for development) over time we have only seen laxity in the management of ICT by Government i.e. poor websites, unsatisfactory performance of legacy systems, inconsistent DNS & IP address management, meagre IT Security (web, network, etc), little or no R&D and M&E of ICT & eGovt, etc. But may be it is not deliberate laxity, it is that the Government Officers who manage IT issues in Government are not continuously trained in all pertinent areas to raise experts and skillful personnel. I hope this is an area ICT Board can address, when they say that part of their mandate is Capacity Building, otherwise we have Government Officers who cannot do much to use broadband properly and strategically as well as make eGovernment a reality. The cabilities of these Officers should be close to, if not better than those in the private sector. And when GoK finally has real experts and engineers in ICT, a retention strategy MUST be adopted to keep them and recompense them accordingly. This is the future of Government IT, 'people who are knowledgeable and focused on a bright future'. LILIAN --- On Sun, 4/4/10, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote: From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked To: "Lilian" <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 9:42 AM Barrack, Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it will be wise if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had on Malili. Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create these agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms are good only when you point out where there are gaps. The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only one person did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya kuchongoana tu. Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy proposals that I really think should push through then arouse sufficient interest from the membership here. Ndemo.
This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this questions are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can someone provide us with a list of all agencies involved in ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do some tooth comb analysis, i saw a post from Paul on what the board has achieved early this year, that was very much in order we need something from NCS as well plus any other agencies.
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There is also another body , National Communications Secretarait. What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord and how do the two bodies relate with respect to advisory services to the governement on ICT matters?
Regards
Vitalis
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Hi, I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, Try reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to do anything and everything under the sun that could be called ICT which includes your microwave oven and copier. Functions of Kenya ICT Board The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the Kenya Gazette Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: . To advice the government on all relevant matters pertaining to development, coordination (remember the PM post) and promotion of ICT industries in the country. . Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities for investments in ICT technology . Facilitate and manage ICT industrial incubation parks and technology parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and land. . Partner with agents within and without the country to carry out such functions as it may consider necessary. . To transform and empower society through deployment and use of ICTs. . Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT products and services. Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G, yes you guessed it I still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi. Regards
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Hi, This is a well presented posting but is has muddled the issue even more in that the tentacles of the board seem to be everywhere. What we need as I remember from my programming class was that you need a flow chart to be able to better visualise the entire project and better appreciate the dependences of the system being developed. Can we get a quick chart they show the workings of the board and how it complements the silo activities of the various arms of government. During Tandaa the question "what information does the public want from their government?" which unfortunately was not answered. We had the issue of the requirement for birth certificates by all class 8 candidates, if a student has gotten to class 8 without a birth certificate then clearly we have a much more basic problem than the automation. If a manual system does not work automating it will not resolve the issue if anything it will make it worse. In your document you have mentioned TEAMS and country wide 3G (excluding South C), the question is how do this fit into a bigger picture of providing service to the public. I am concerned that we are getting snippets of the issues and thus hope that when we have the town hall meeting we can receive an aerial view of what is being planned. Thanks for the comprehensive report and we look forward to interacting with you so that we can get a better understanding of the board and the government initiatives. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Paul Kukubo <pkukubo@ict.go.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, 6 April, 2010 20:08:36 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building A perspective that might enrich the forthcoming meeting. At the onset, I will suggest we cast our net wider to include anyone who might not be on this list for that meeting. 1. The public sector is busy transforming in a way that matters to the common citizen, and in a way that will long term impact. * As an example, Public sector leaders presented 5 interesting case studies in government automation at the just ended connected government workshop (all slides on www.ict.go.ke/connectedgov) * Kenya Revenue Authority on their progress since inception on automation, By their IT Head Mr Saina * The automation of the Company registry including the initial reorganization of the registry, the on-going digitization and future service targets for citizens benefit. Presentation by Mr Wanjuki Muchemi, Solicitor General * The Integrated Population Registry System, presented by both the PS Immigrations Mr Emmanuel Kisombe and his team. Of note here is the role this would play in giving the government a 'single point of truth' of the citizen. * The on-going automation of the Kenya Medical Supplies Agency (KEMSA). Presented by the Director KEMSA * The Government Data Centre, presented by John Sergon Ag Director E Government. * Private sector was surprised by how committed and well thought and these projects are. These are just examples and they illustrate a government committed to laying the foundation for better citizen services. * Those projects, when combined with the Government's role in TEAMs, the just commenced shared services project, the project to digitize the judiciary and the Ministry of Lands point to clear priorities. Private sector should align themselves around the opportunities presented by government. ( I cannot stop preaching this). * Vision 2030 Director General provided an update on the work to develop a national value proposition proposed to anchored around Kenya's core strength as a hub and a centre of entrepreneurship and innovation within Africa. * Indeed in his wrap up, PS Dr Ndemo re-iterated the level of opportunity this all represented, but also stressed that there was still work to be done to get to where we want to get to. 2. While there can be no shortage of ideas on how the government can and should be structured the debate could be enriched by discussion around where greater co-operation could break down silos and the role private sector might play. Indeed PS Ndemo pointed this issue out during the Prime Minister's Round Table recently. Private Sector, Civil Society and Academia add value by providing case studies of successes and failures locally with IT deployments, how the common citizen may be better served, even within the current reality. Good examples of successes include Safaricom's roll out 3G services even in very remote parts of Kenya to enable citizens have better broadband experience, Cisco is rolling out training in their Net Academies to enrich the digital villages concept by enabling training in rural communities and Oracle is investing in the capacity of IT leaders both government and private sector, to understand how to deploy complex technologies that are necessary, in order that we have simplified IT access. (as you know there is always complex systems behind simplified access. If you doubt that, try rolling out a WIMAX network, or running a BPO firm.). 3. Some private sector participant observed to me that there might be a trend perhaps among a few on always putting forward suggestions without knowledge on what is on the ground, always proposing alternatives and not building on ideas and listening without internalization. While there is no harm in this, I would suggest a greater role for private sector, civil society and academia. These sectors could use their constituencies (if these are professional bodies, or associations, or working groups) to create forums for discourse on the issues and provide leadership and guidance, that is seen to be drawn from the constituencies themselves. The ICT Board interacts with many stakeholders and indeed many of them are also themselves looking for a suitable professional home. (be it the CIO Forum, KIFF, TESPOK, Kictanet, Skunkworks, Mobile Monday, Mobile Value Added Service Providers, the BPO sector, the systems intergrators, the Multinationals Forum, Pasha Trainees. They have diverse needs. Before the town hall meeting, my team could provide a brief summary of our observation in interacting with all them. Indeed in doing the rounds, we have not covered many of them. They are many.. 4. It is entrepreneurs who will build a true ICT sector, one business at a time. Fortunately we have plenty of them in Kenya. Many who seek guidance and counsel on where to direct their energies. There are some who believe IT is fibre optic and others still in the 'buy ICT equipment and sell mode". We are always encouraging them at forums such as the Tandaa Conferences and the Mobile Boot camp to widen their view into applications, solutions, project management, consultancy, new media development (animation, web marketing, mobile marketing) etc. This requires concerted effort. During the Connected Gov workshop, we showcased animations developed by Home Boys Studios in Kenya using local talent (who had no prior animation training). These animations are being shown on UK TV. Local companies like Symbiotic, Cellulant gave case studies of the challenges and opportunities entrepreuners face, and Seven Seas a large Kenyan system integrator demonstrated how the government could deploy a digital dashboard and how partnering with Safaricom, they have developed capacity building program to train for IT. 5. One last observation is that as ICT becomes more sophisticated, perhaps we can look at the role of the CIO and the CTO within both private sector and public sector structures. On this score, a few private sector firms in Kenya provide examples of ideal IT governance structure and we all could welcome them to share their experiences. Paul Kukubo Chief Executive Officer, Kenya ICT Board PO Box 27150 - 00100 Nairobi, Kenya 12th Floor, Teleposta Towers Koinange Street Tel +254 20 2089061, +254 20 2211960 Fax: +254 20 2211962 website: www.ict.go.ke local content project: www.tandaa.co.ke, www.facebook.com/tandaakenya twitter:@tandaaKENYA BPO Project: www. doitinkenya.co.ke Digital Villages Project: www.pasha.co.ke personal contacts _______________ Cell: + 254 717 180001 skype: kukubopaul googletalk: pkukubo personal blog: www.paulkukubo.co.ke personal twitter: @pkukubo ____________________ Vision: Kenya becomes a top ten global ICT hub Mission: To champion and actively enable Kenya to adopt and exploit ICT, through promotion of partnerships, investments and infrastructure growth for socio economic enrichment On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Lilian, This is so comprehensive.. Hope, notes are being taken from these resourceful discussions coming in. Mine, is just a proposal. Clearly, the different agencies existing, happen to work within some form of mandate in their own areas of jurisdiction or so, whether the mandates are competing mandates or a duplication, it may be quite difficult to just "merge" them..
Clearly, Listers - one thing that is now clear, is that ICT is a huge phenomenon, that cuts' out across the entire spectrum of Govt and ministries - beyond INFOCOM. This means, stakeholders from other Govt. sectors need to be brought into the fold to harmonize strategy..
I suppose therefore, this may call for an oversight body - to which, each of the Govt agencies can have a representation. This oversight, could encompass reps, from all sectors, private , and govt. All interests should be declared as a pre-requisite to serving on this panel for purposes of accountability and transparency..
If in order, I could float some names for such a body, such as:-
* National ICT Task Force - (NICTAF) * National ICT Agency of Kenya - (NICTAK) * National ICT Oversight Board -(NICTOB) Other names are welcome..
Harry
________________________________ From: >kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke >[mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On
Behalf Of Lilian Karanja Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 11:43 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building
Yes, Robert.......I see.
Certainly, what GoK needs is ICT Governance. “Without governance you do not produce good decisions consistently. ‘Governance’ in the context of the management of ICT crafts a clear framework in which decisions are made, who makes the decisions about business and technology developments, who has input into the decision-making process and how the decisions are formed”.
In my opinion, the ICT Board (under Min. Of Info Comm), the Directorate of e-Government (under OP), the GITS Department (under Min. Of Finance), and both the CCK and NCS (both under Min. Of Info Comm) seem to have related ICT goals and objectives. They (unfortunately) don’t seem to oftenly collaborate in their decision-making. I personally like the idea of a KITA like SITA/RITA. Sometime ago, the Directorate of e-Government seemed to come-up into a KITA (in the way we think of SITA/RITA), but did not ‘mature’ into the institution envisioned. GoK ICT Governance Decisions would ideally focus on: · Determining the strategic approach to e-government and ICT within GoK · How the e-government initiatives should be used in GoK, to improve services, reduce costs, develop the community, etc · How fundamental e-government and ICT is to GoK and the country at large · The way e-government and ICT is to be managed (e.g. by what mechanism and how resources are to be managed) · The way investments are to be made and policies on realising and sharing benefits · How the required skills are to be procured (through strategic partnerships, in-house, through consortium, etc) · The principles that underlie the ICT architecture · Setting priorities and determining e-government and ICT investment programmes · Managing the foundations and regulations regarding the core elements of the infrastructure: o Personnel – who will be responsible for their professional development and where certain skills should reside o Methods and techniques – what project/programme management, development and operations management standards should be used o Charging mechanisms and services standards (performance management) o Information – standards to enable the effective sharing of information o Core applications – intranet, finance systems, payroll, registries and personnel standards, etc o Technical – network, consolidated service desk, data standards o Security o Legal
This has conspicuously missed within GoK, in the past years. We look to GoK greatly to spur ‘mwananchi’ by keenly committing to ‘add value’ to broadband so that their attitude, confidence and appreciation towards the use ICTs and the Internet increases (especially in the rural areas, as they access Government e-Services), thus creating an Internet Community and an IT culture. Am not sure we necessarily need support from outside to do this, even donor funds (we don’t need). We can do it on our own, as we (Kenya) are, now, known to be an emerging knowledge economy. GoK can lead the way to create a Kenyan way ‘working with’and using ICT. We have so many Youth (any way), who are jobless! Lets purposefully develop capacity of these young and use them sufficiently.
I rest my case, and I apologise for any misunderstandings.
LILIAN
--- On Tue, 4/6/10, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> > wrote:
From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building To: "Lilian Karanja" <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 12:32 AM
Hi Lilian,
Just wanted to clarify an issue, government has some of the best trained ICT fellows and I know because I have regularly interacted with them for over 10 years. Do not be deceived by the fact that they are no fancy websites or iphone applications the men and women who keep the government systems running are basically miracle workers.
How they do it is beyond my comprehension and the last thin they need is a capacity building what they need like all with the other areas of government is a co-ordinator or a Deputy Prime Minister IS. Hon Raila has definitely moved government efficiency a notch higher and without a "dream team" or expatriate consultants all he did was dust off the diamonds within.
Government has a beautiful retention strategy which is we pay you for 2 hours a day and we expect you to only deliver the paid for work, if you are unable to find something profitable to do with the balance 6 hours then that is your problem.
What we need is a deputy prime minister information systems or ICT or BPO whatever the name of which KICTB has proven not to be to "desilo" (term coined by Dr. Ndemo during the PM Round table meeting) the government activities.
Can you government ICT gurus stick your heads out and defend your selves, I know many of you are on this listing, so be warned that next time I need to put the record strait on your behalf I will actually name names. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
From: Lilian Karanja
<l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Mon, 5 April, 2010 16:58:41 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
Dear PS:
It is a little discouraging to hear you say that the issues discussed in this topic are 'kuchongoana tu'. We look up to you, and others in Government and also in the private sector who are so passionate about the use of ICTs and the Internet to create opportunities for all, in Kenya, and see that ICT remains a reliable vehicle for economic growth and development. So, please don't stop listening to us, patiently and we beseech you to continue in your wisdom in dealing with these matters.
This topic, 'Who is ICT Board?' as well as that of 'eGovernment is it a myth or reality?' have raised important questions that should be addressed with 'a big heart' and an open mind. As you have noted, a town hall meeting is good and always welcome. However, moving forward, it needs to be clear how ICT Board interacts with Government and how it promotes the existence of an Institutional Framework for ICT management in Government. Clearly, the ICT Board manages of a huge chunk of donor funds for ICT growth in Kenya, eGovernment and the likes (through the KTCIP), but still the Government lags behind in their ICT technical know-how and skills.
While one of their mandate (the ICT Board) is Capacity Building (Providing GoK and other stakeholders with skills, capacity and funding for anchor implementation of ICT projects for development) over time we have only seen laxity in the management of ICT by Government i.e. poor websites, unsatisfactory performance of legacy systems, inconsistent DNS & IP address management, meagre IT Security (web, network, etc), little or no R&D and M&E of ICT & eGovt, etc. But may be it is not deliberate laxity, it is that the Government Officers who manage IT issues in Government are not continuously trained in all pertinent areas to raise experts and skillful personnel.
I hope this is an area ICT Board can address, when they say that part of their mandate is Capacity Building, otherwise we have Government Officers who cannot do much to use broadband properly and strategically as well as make eGovernment a reality. The cabilities of these Officers should be close to, if not better than those in the private sector. And when GoK finally has real experts and engineers in ICT, a retention strategy MUST be adopted to keep them and recompense them accordingly. This is the future of Government IT, 'people who are knowledgeable and focused on a bright future'.
LILIAN
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From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked To: "Lilian" <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 9:42 AM
Barrack, Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it will be wise if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had on Malili.
Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create these agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms are good only when you point out where there are gaps.
The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only one person did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya kuchongoana tu. Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy proposals that I really think should push through then arouse sufficient interest from the membership here.
Ndemo.
This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this questions are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can someone provide us with a list of all agencies involved in ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do some tooth comb analysis, i saw a post from Paul on what the board has achieved early this year, that was very much in order we need
something from NCS as well plus any other agencies.
Regards
On Sat, Apr 3,
2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga <volunga@yahoo.com> wrote:
There is also another body , National Communications Secretarait. What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord and how do the two bodies relate with respect to advisory services to the governement on ICT matters?
Regards
Vitalis
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Hi,
I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, Try reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to do anything and everything under the sun that could be called ICT which includes your
microwave oven and copier.
Functions of Kenya ICT Board The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the Kenya Gazette Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: • To advice the government on all relevant matters pertaining to development, coordination (remember the PM post) and promotion of ICT industries in the country. • Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities for
investments in ICT technology
• Facilitate and manage ICT industrial incubation parks and technology parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and land. • Partner with agents within and without the country to carry out such functions as it may consider necessary. • To transform and empower society through deployment and use of ICTs. • Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT products and services. Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G, yes you guessed it I still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi.
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Good suggestions Harry, but while I am not a pessimist, I have a feeling that with time, whatever body will be formed will still face the same attacks/questions from the industry on the mandate etc Perhaps the upcoming public forum will begin to shed some light in the direction ICT development in Kenya should follow? From: kictanet-bounces+emuchiri=andestbites.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+emuchiri=andestbites.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Harry Delano Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 6:21 PM To: emuchiri@andestbites.com Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building Lilian, This is so comprehensive.. Hope, notes are being taken from these resourceful discussions coming in. Mine, is just a proposal. Clearly, the different agencies existing, happen to work within some form of mandate in their own areas of jurisdiction or so, whether the mandates are competing mandates or a duplication, it may be quite difficult to just "merge" them.. Clearly, Listers - one thing that is now clear, is that ICT is a huge phenomenon, that cuts' out across the entire spectrum of Govt and ministries - beyond INFOCOM. This means, stakeholders from other Govt. sectors need to be brought into the fold to harmonize strategy.. I suppose therefore, this may call for an oversight body - to which, each of the Govt agencies can have a representation. This oversight, could encompass reps, from all sectors, private , and govt. All interests should be declared as a pre-requisite to serving on this panel for purposes of accountability and transparency.. If in order, I could float some names for such a body, such as:- * National ICT Task Force - (NICTAF) * National ICT Agency of Kenya - (NICTAK) * National ICT Oversight Board -(NICTOB) Other names are welcome.. Harry _____ From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Lilian Karanja Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 11:43 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building Yes, Robert.......I see. Certainly, what GoK needs is ICT Governance. "Without governance you do not produce good decisions consistently. 'Governance' in the context of the management of ICT crafts a clear framework in which decisions are made, who makes the decisions about business and technology developments, who has input into the decision-making process and how the decisions are formed". In my opinion, the ICT Board (under Min. Of Info Comm), the Directorate of e-Government (under OP), the GITS Department (under Min. Of Finance), and both the CCK and NCS (both under Min. Of Info Comm) seem to have related ICT goals and objectives. They (unfortunately) don't seem to oftenly collaborate in their decision-making. I personally like the idea of a KITA like SITA/RITA. Sometime ago, the Directorate of e-Government seemed to come-up into a KITA (in the way we think of SITA/RITA), but did not 'mature' into the institution envisioned. GoK ICT Governance Decisions would ideally focus on: . Determining the strategic approach to e-government and ICT within GoK . How the e-government initiatives should be used in GoK, to improve services, reduce costs, develop the community, etc . How fundamental e-government and ICT is to GoK and the country at large . The way e-government and ICT is to be managed (e.g. by what mechanism and how resources are to be managed) . The way investments are to be made and policies on realising and sharing benefits . How the required skills are to be procured (through strategic partnerships, in-house, through consortium, etc) . The principles that underlie the ICT architecture . Setting priorities and determining e-government and ICT investment programmes . Managing the foundations and regulations regarding the core elements of the infrastructure: o Personnel - who will be responsible for their professional development and where certain skills should reside o Methods and techniques - what project/programme management, development and operations management standards should be used o Charging mechanisms and services standards (performance management) o Information - standards to enable the effective sharing of information o Core applications - intranet, finance systems, payroll, registries and personnel standards, etc o Technical - network, consolidated service desk, data standards o Security o Legal This has conspicuously missed within GoK, in the past years. We look to GoK greatly to spur 'mwananchi' by keenly committing to 'add value' to broadband so that their attitude, confidence and appreciation towards the use ICTs and the Internet increases (especially in the rural areas, as they access Government e-Services), thus creating an Internet Community and an IT culture. Am not sure we necessarily need support from outside to do this, even donor funds (we don't need). We can do it on our own, as we (Kenya) are, now, known to be an emerging knowledge economy. GoK can lead the way to create a Kenyan way 'working with'and using ICT. We have so many Youth (any way), who are jobless! Lets purposefully develop capacity of these young and use them sufficiently. I rest my case, and I apologise for any misunderstandings. LILIAN --- On Tue, 4/6/10, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building To: "Lilian Karanja" <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 12:32 AM Hi Lilian, Just wanted to clarify an issue, government has some of the best trained ICT fellows and I know because I have regularly interacted with them for over 10 years. Do not be deceived by the fact that they are no fancy websites or iphone applications the men and women who keep the government systems running are basically miracle workers. How they do it is beyond my comprehension and the last thin they need is a capacity building what they need like all with the other areas of government is a co-ordinator or a Deputy Prime Minister IS. Hon Raila has definitely moved government efficiency a notch higher and without a "dream team" or expatriate consultants all he did was dust off the diamonds within. Government has a beautiful retention strategy which is we pay you for 2 hours a day and we expect you to only deliver the paid for work, if you are unable to find something profitable to do with the balance 6 hours then that is your problem. What we need is a deputy prime minister information systems or ICT or BPO whatever the name of which KICTB has proven not to be to "desilo" (term coined by Dr. Ndemo during the PM Round table meeting) the government activities. Can you government ICT gurus stick your heads out and defend your selves, I know many of you are on this listing, so be warned that next time I need to put the record strait on your behalf I will actually name names. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 _____ From: Lilian Karanja <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Mon, 5 April, 2010 16:58:41 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked Dear PS: It is a little discouraging to hear you say that the issues discussed in this topic are 'kuchongoana tu'. We look up to you, and others in Government and also in the private sector who are so passionate about the use of ICTs and the Internet to create opportunities for all, in Kenya, and see that ICT remains a reliable vehicle for economic growth and development. So, please don't stop listening to us, patiently and we beseech you to continue in your wisdom in dealing with these matters. This topic, 'Who is ICT Board?' as well as that of 'eGovernment is it a myth or reality?' have raised important questions that should be addressed with 'a big heart' and an open mind. As you have noted, a town hall meeting is good and always welcome. However, moving forward, it needs to be clear how ICT Board interacts with Government and how it promotes the existence of an Institutional Framework for ICT management in Government. Clearly, the ICT Board manages of a huge chunk of donor funds for ICT growth in Kenya, eGovernment and the likes (through the KTCIP), but still the Government lags behind in their ICT technical know-how and skills. While one of their mandate (the ICT Board) is Capacity Building (Providing GoK and other stakeholders with skills, capacity and funding for anchor implementation of ICT projects for development) over time we have only seen laxity in the management of ICT by Government i.e. poor websites, unsatisfactory performance of legacy systems, inconsistent DNS & IP address management, meagre IT Security (web, network, etc), little or no R&D and M&E of ICT & eGovt, etc. But may be it is not deliberate laxity, it is that the Government Officers who manage IT issues in Government are not continuously trained in all pertinent areas to raise experts and skillful personnel. I hope this is an area ICT Board can address, when they say that part of their mandate is Capacity Building, otherwise we have Government Officers who cannot do much to use broadband properly and strategically as well as make eGovernment a reality. The cabilities of these Officers should be close to, if not better than those in the private sector. And when GoK finally has real experts and engineers in ICT, a retention strategy MUST be adopted to keep them and recompense them accordingly. This is the future of Government IT, 'people who are knowledgeable and focused on a bright future'. LILIAN --- On Sun, 4/4/10, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote: From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked To: "Lilian" <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 9:42 AM Barrack, Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it will be wise if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had on Malili. Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create these agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms are good only when you point out where there are gaps. The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only one person did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya kuchongoana tu. Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy proposals that I really think should push through then arouse sufficient interest from the membership here. Ndemo.
This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this questions are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can someone provide us with a list of all agencies involved in ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do some tooth comb analysis, i saw a post from Paul on what the board has achieved early this year, that was very much in order we need something from NCS as well plus any other agencies.
Regards
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga <volunga@yahoo.com <http://us.mc452.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=volunga@yahoo.com> > wrote:
There is also another body , National Communications Secretarait. What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord and how do the two bodies relate with respect to advisory services to the governement on ICT matters?
Regards
Vitalis
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Hi, I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, Try reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to do anything and everything under the sun that could be called ICT which includes your microwave oven and copier. Functions of Kenya ICT Board The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the Kenya Gazette Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: . To advice the government on all relevant matters pertaining to development, coordination (remember the PM post) and promotion of ICT industries in the country. . Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities for investments in ICT technology . Facilitate and manage ICT industrial incubation parks and technology parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and land. . Partner with agents within and without the country to carry out such functions as it may consider necessary. . To transform and empower society through deployment and use of ICTs. . Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT products and services. Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G, yes you guessed it I still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi. Regards
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Hey Esther, Thanks alot. However, I have a feeling that such a body should be representative of those in industry (elective representation), and the Govt agencies side.. ( as effectively representative as possible). Solely charged with the mandate to drive ICT forward in this country. I think there is a general feeling that vested interests and turf wars might take an upper hand (unless reigned in) at the detriment of progress in this vital sector and to avoid numerous duplication of effort in the process. Regards, Harry _____ From: Esther Muchiri [mailto:emuchiri@andestbites.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 9:55 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: RE: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building Good suggestions Harry, but while I am not a pessimist, I have a feeling that with time, whatever body will be formed will still face the same attacks/questions from the industry on the mandate etc Perhaps the upcoming public forum will begin to shed some light in the direction ICT development in Kenya should follow? From: kictanet-bounces+emuchiri=andestbites.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+emuchiri=andestbites.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Harry Delano Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 6:21 PM To: emuchiri@andestbites.com Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building Lilian, This is so comprehensive.. Hope, notes are being taken from these resourceful discussions coming in. Mine, is just a proposal. Clearly, the different agencies existing, happen to work within some form of mandate in their own areas of jurisdiction or so, whether the mandates are competing mandates or a duplication, it may be quite difficult to just "merge" them.. Clearly, Listers - one thing that is now clear, is that ICT is a huge phenomenon, that cuts' out across the entire spectrum of Govt and ministries - beyond INFOCOM. This means, stakeholders from other Govt. sectors need to be brought into the fold to harmonize strategy.. I suppose therefore, this may call for an oversight body - to which, each of the Govt agencies can have a representation. This oversight, could encompass reps, from all sectors, private , and govt. All interests should be declared as a pre-requisite to serving on this panel for purposes of accountability and transparency.. If in order, I could float some names for such a body, such as:- * National ICT Task Force - (NICTAF) * National ICT Agency of Kenya - (NICTAK) * National ICT Oversight Board -(NICTOB) Other names are welcome.. Harry _____ From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Lilian Karanja Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 11:43 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building Yes, Robert.......I see. Certainly, what GoK needs is ICT Governance. "Without governance you do not produce good decisions consistently. 'Governance' in the context of the management of ICT crafts a clear framework in which decisions are made, who makes the decisions about business and technology developments, who has input into the decision-making process and how the decisions are formed". In my opinion, the ICT Board (under Min. Of Info Comm), the Directorate of e-Government (under OP), the GITS Department (under Min. Of Finance), and both the CCK and NCS (both under Min. Of Info Comm) seem to have related ICT goals and objectives. They (unfortunately) don't seem to oftenly collaborate in their decision-making. I personally like the idea of a KITA like SITA/RITA. Sometime ago, the Directorate of e-Government seemed to come-up into a KITA (in the way we think of SITA/RITA), but did not 'mature' into the institution envisioned. GoK ICT Governance Decisions would ideally focus on: . Determining the strategic approach to e-government and ICT within GoK . How the e-government initiatives should be used in GoK, to improve services, reduce costs, develop the community, etc . How fundamental e-government and ICT is to GoK and the country at large . The way e-government and ICT is to be managed (e.g. by what mechanism and how resources are to be managed) . The way investments are to be made and policies on realising and sharing benefits . How the required skills are to be procured (through strategic partnerships, in-house, through consortium, etc) . The principles that underlie the ICT architecture . Setting priorities and determining e-government and ICT investment programmes . Managing the foundations and regulations regarding the core elements of the infrastructure: o Personnel - who will be responsible for their professional development and where certain skills should reside o Methods and techniques - what project/programme management, development and operations management standards should be used o Charging mechanisms and services standards (performance management) o Information - standards to enable the effective sharing of information o Core applications - intranet, finance systems, payroll, registries and personnel standards, etc o Technical - network, consolidated service desk, data standards o Security o Legal This has conspicuously missed within GoK, in the past years. We look to GoK greatly to spur 'mwananchi' by keenly committing to 'add value' to broadband so that their attitude, confidence and appreciation towards the use ICTs and the Internet increases (especially in the rural areas, as they access Government e-Services), thus creating an Internet Community and an IT culture. Am not sure we necessarily need support from outside to do this, even donor funds (we don't need). We can do it on our own, as we (Kenya) are, now, known to be an emerging knowledge economy. GoK can lead the way to create a Kenyan way 'working with'and using ICT. We have so many Youth (any way), who are jobless! Lets purposefully develop capacity of these young and use them sufficiently. I rest my case, and I apologise for any misunderstandings. LILIAN --- On Tue, 4/6/10, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building To: "Lilian Karanja" <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 12:32 AM Hi Lilian, Just wanted to clarify an issue, government has some of the best trained ICT fellows and I know because I have regularly interacted with them for over 10 years. Do not be deceived by the fact that they are no fancy websites or iphone applications the men and women who keep the government systems running are basically miracle workers. How they do it is beyond my comprehension and the last thin they need is a capacity building what they need like all with the other areas of government is a co-ordinator or a Deputy Prime Minister IS. Hon Raila has definitely moved government efficiency a notch higher and without a "dream team" or expatriate consultants all he did was dust off the diamonds within. Government has a beautiful retention strategy which is we pay you for 2 hours a day and we expect you to only deliver the paid for work, if you are unable to find something profitable to do with the balance 6 hours then that is your problem. What we need is a deputy prime minister information systems or ICT or BPO whatever the name of which KICTB has proven not to be to "desilo" (term coined by Dr. Ndemo during the PM Round table meeting) the government activities. Can you government ICT gurus stick your heads out and defend your selves, I know many of you are on this listing, so be warned that next time I need to put the record strait on your behalf I will actually name names. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 _____ From: Lilian Karanja <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Mon, 5 April, 2010 16:58:41 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked Dear PS: It is a little discouraging to hear you say that the issues discussed in this topic are 'kuchongoana tu'. We look up to you, and others in Government and also in the private sector who are so passionate about the use of ICTs and the Internet to create opportunities for all, in Kenya, and see that ICT remains a reliable vehicle for economic growth and development. So, please don't stop listening to us, patiently and we beseech you to continue in your wisdom in dealing with these matters. This topic, 'Who is ICT Board?' as well as that of 'eGovernment is it a myth or reality?' have raised important questions that should be addressed with 'a big heart' and an open mind. As you have noted, a town hall meeting is good and always welcome. However, moving forward, it needs to be clear how ICT Board interacts with Government and how it promotes the existence of an Institutional Framework for ICT management in Government. Clearly, the ICT Board manages of a huge chunk of donor funds for ICT growth in Kenya, eGovernment and the likes (through the KTCIP), but still the Government lags behind in their ICT technical know-how and skills. While one of their mandate (the ICT Board) is Capacity Building (Providing GoK and other stakeholders with skills, capacity and funding for anchor implementation of ICT projects for development) over time we have only seen laxity in the management of ICT by Government i.e. poor websites, unsatisfactory performance of legacy systems, inconsistent DNS & IP address management, meagre IT Security (web, network, etc), little or no R&D and M&E of ICT & eGovt, etc. But may be it is not deliberate laxity, it is that the Government Officers who manage IT issues in Government are not continuously trained in all pertinent areas to raise experts and skillful personnel. I hope this is an area ICT Board can address, when they say that part of their mandate is Capacity Building, otherwise we have Government Officers who cannot do much to use broadband properly and strategically as well as make eGovernment a reality. The cabilities of these Officers should be close to, if not better than those in the private sector. And when GoK finally has real experts and engineers in ICT, a retention strategy MUST be adopted to keep them and recompense them accordingly. This is the future of Government IT, 'people who are knowledgeable and focused on a bright future'. LILIAN --- On Sun, 4/4/10, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote: From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked To: "Lilian" <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 9:42 AM Barrack, Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it will be wise if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had on Malili. Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create these agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms are good only when you point out where there are gaps. The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only one person did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya kuchongoana tu. Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy proposals that I really think should push through then arouse sufficient interest from the membership here. Ndemo.
This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this questions are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can someone provide us with a list of all agencies involved in ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do some tooth comb analysis, i saw a post from Paul on what the board has achieved early this year, that was very much in order we need something from NCS as well plus any other agencies.
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There is also another body , National Communications Secretarait. What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord and how do the two bodies relate with respect to advisory services to the governement on ICT matters?
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Vitalis
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Hi, I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, Try reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to do anything and everything under the sun that could be called ICT which includes your microwave oven and copier. Functions of Kenya ICT Board The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the Kenya Gazette Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: . To advice the government on all relevant matters pertaining to development, coordination (remember the PM post) and promotion of ICT industries in the country. . Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities for investments in ICT technology . Facilitate and manage ICT industrial incubation parks and technology parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and land. . Partner with agents within and without the country to carry out such functions as it may consider necessary. . To transform and empower society through deployment and use of ICTs. . Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT products and services. Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G, yes you guessed it I still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi. Regards
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For effective and long term strategic development, the system needs to be looked at as a whole, from "helicopter view, or bird's eye view perspective. The right hand needs to know what the left is doing. Duplication of roles and many centres of powers can only deter development. Starting from the global perspective, it was a big debate to arrive at the jus the name "Information, Commuinications and Techonologies." It took the world nations a number of forums and numerous dicussions and dialogue sessions, before a concensus could be reached to coin the name, ICT. The main reason was the the complexity due rapidly changing technologcal innovations, the changing needs of the people, the needs for governments to develop policicies, etc., Some polcies were were based on comand-and-control sytems approach, in the indutries or sub-sectors, in what is now commonly known as the ICT sector. At the beginning the indutry boundaries were distinct, mainly revolving around telecommunications and broadcasting. The life was easy because the enviroment was stable and the future was easily predicable. With the techlological innovations in computing and communications, and the converegence of variuous technologies, industry boundaries have become more maleable. This this is a challenge as well as an oppotunity that we are facing and need to be addressed, at all times. There is need for an umbrella body "from a bird's eye view perspective " to guide in formulation and coordination of strategies in ICT sector to achieve the long-term national objectives. Otherwise we will end-up with fragmented development plans, with very little impact on the sytem as whole at the national level. Controbutions have been made including mentioning about professional bodies/assocaiations in othe fields, e.g. ICPAK, KMA, etc. Also there are variuos governmental authorities in this country. Apart from the ICT Board, there are the Roads Boad, Coffee Board, etc. which may or may not be professionally based. However, it is important to note that ICT is wide and cuts across many sectors (just like other professional fields), and it may not be very easy to bring all the stakeholders under one umbrella body, but it is worth to try. There are other organizations which may need to be considered for inclution, some of which could be having resources to guide in the ICT policy formalation and implemetaion. For example, the Institution of Engineers of Kenya, the Kenya Enginners Regitration Board, the locatal chapter of Intutution of Electrical and Electronic Engineers, etc. The organizers of the propsed forum could extend invitation to such professional bodies as well. Regards Vitalis Vitalis ________________________________ From: Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> To: volunga@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, April 6, 2010 10:14:26 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building Hey Esther, Thanks alot. However, I have a feeling that such a body should be representative of those in industry (elective representation), and the Govt agencies side.. ( as effectively representative as possible). Solely charged with the mandate to drive ICT forward in this country. I think there is a general feeling that vested interests and turf wars might take an upper hand (unless reigned in) at the detriment of progress in this vital sector and to avoid numerous duplication of effort in the process. Regards,Harry ________________________________ From: Esther Muchiri [mailto:emuchiri@andestbites.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 9:55 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: RE: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building Good suggestions Harry, but while I am not a pessimist, I have a feeling that with time, whatever body will be formed will still face the same attacks/questions from the industry on the mandate etc Perhaps the upcoming public forum will begin to shed some light in the direction ICT development in Kenya should follow? From:kictanet-bounces+emuchiri=andestbites.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+emuchiri=andestbites.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Harry Delano Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 6:21 PM To: emuchiri@andestbites.com Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building Lilian, This is so comprehensive.. Hope, notes are being taken from these resourceful discussions coming in. Mine, is just a proposal. Clearly, the different agencies existing, happen to work within some form of mandate in their own areas of jurisdiction or so, whether the mandates are competing mandates or a duplication, it may be quite difficult to just "merge" them.. Clearly, Listers - one thing that is now clear, is that ICT is a huge phenomenon, that cuts' out across the entire spectrum of Govt and ministries - beyond INFOCOM. This means, stakeholders from other Govt. sectors need to be brought into the fold to harmonize strategy.. I suppose therefore, this may call for an oversight body - to which, each of the Govt agencies can have a representation. This oversight, could encompass reps, from all sectors, private , and govt. All interests should be declared as a pre-requisite to serving on this panel for purposes of accountability and transparency.. If in order, I could float some names for such a body, such as:- * National ICT Task Force - (NICTAF) * National ICT Agency of Kenya - (NICTAK) * National ICT Oversight Board -(NICTOB) Other names are welcome.. Harry ________________________________ From:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Lilian Karanja Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 11:43 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building Yes, Robert.......I see. Certainly, what GoK needs is ICT Governance. “Without governance you do not produce good decisions consistently. ‘Governance’ in the context of the management of ICT crafts a clear framework in which decisions are made, who makes the decisions about business and technology developments, who has input into the decision-making process and how the decisions are formed”. In my opinion, the ICT Board (under Min. Of Info Comm), the Directorate of e-Government (under OP), the GITS Department (under Min. Of Finance), and both the CCK and NCS (both under Min. Of Info Comm) seem to have related ICT goals and objectives. They (unfortunately) don’t seem to oftenly collaborate in their decision-making. I personally like the idea of a KITA like SITA/RITA. Sometime ago, the Directorate of e-Government seemed to come-up into a KITA (in the way we think of SITA/RITA), but did not ‘mature’ into the institution envisioned. GoK ICT Governance Decisions would ideally focus on: · Determining the strategic approach to e-government and ICT within GoK · How the e-government initiatives should be used in GoK, to improve services, reduce costs, develop the community, etc · How fundamental e-government and ICT is to GoK and the country at large · The way e-government and ICT is to be managed (e.g. by what mechanism and how resources are to be managed) · The way investments are to be made and policies on realising and sharing benefits · How the required skills are to be procured (through strategic partnerships, in-house, through consortium, etc) · The principles that underlie the ICT architecture · Setting priorities and determining e-government and ICT investment programmes · Managing the foundations and regulations regarding the core elements of the infrastructure: o Personnel – who will be responsible for their professional development and where certain skills should reside o Methods and techniques – what project/programme management, development and operations management standards should be used o Charging mechanisms and services standards (performance management) o Information – standards to enable the effective sharing of information o Core applications – intranet, finance systems, payroll, registries and personnel standards, etc o Technical – network, consolidated service desk, data standards o Security o Legal This has conspicuously missed within GoK, in the past years. We look to GoK greatly to spur ‘mwananchi’ by keenly committing to ‘add value’ to broadband so that their attitude, confidence and appreciation towards the use ICTs and the Internet increases (especially in the rural areas, as they access Government e-Services), thus creating an Internet Community and an IT culture. Am not sure we necessarily need support from outside to do this, even donor funds (we don’t need). We can do it on our own, as we (Kenya) are, now, known to be an emerging knowledge economy. GoK can lead the way to create a Kenyan way ‘working with’and using ICT. We have so many Youth (any way), who are jobless! Lets purposefully develop capacity of these young and use them sufficiently. I rest my case, and I apologise for any misunderstandings. LILIAN --- On Tue, 4/6/10, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building To: "Lilian Karanja" <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 12:32 AM Hi Lilian, Just wanted to clarify an issue, government has some of the best trained ICT fellows and I know because I have regularly interacted with them for over 10 years. Do not be deceived by the fact that they are no fancy websites or iphone applications the men and women who keep the government systems running are basically miracle workers. How they do it is beyond my comprehension and the last thin they need is a capacity building what they need like all with the other areas of government is a co-ordinator or a Deputy Prime Minister IS. Hon Raila has definitely moved government efficiency a notch higher and without a "dream team" or expatriate consultants all he did was dust off the diamonds within. Government has a beautiful retention strategy which is we pay you for 2 hours a day and we expect you to only deliver the paid for work, if you are unable to find something profitable to do with the balance 6 hours then that is your problem. What we need is a deputy prime minister information systems or ICT or BPO whatever the name of which KICTB has proven not to be to "desilo" (term coined by Dr. Ndemo during the PM Round table meeting) the government activities. Can you government ICT gurus stick your heads out and defend your selves, I know many of you are on this listing, so be warned that next time I need to put the record strait on your behalf I will actually name names. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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From:Lilian Karanja <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Mon, 5 April, 2010 16:58:41 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked Dear PS: It is a little discouraging to hear you say that the issues discussed in this topic are 'kuchongoana tu'. We look up to you, and others in Government and also in the private sector who are so passionate about the use of ICTs and the Internet to create opportunities for all, in Kenya, and see that ICT remains a reliable vehicle for economic growth and development. So, please don't stop listening to us, patiently and we beseech you to continue in your wisdom in dealing with these matters. This topic, 'Who is ICT Board?' as well as that of 'eGovernment is it a myth or reality?' have raised important questions that should be addressed with 'a big heart' and an open mind. As you have noted, a town hall meeting is good and always welcome. However, moving forward, it needs to be clear how ICT Board interacts with Government and how it promotes the existence of an Institutional Framework for ICT management in Government. Clearly, the ICT Board manages of a huge chunk of donor funds for ICT growth in Kenya, eGovernment and the likes (through the KTCIP), but still the Government lags behind in their ICT technical know-how and skills. While one of their mandate (the ICT Board) is Capacity Building (Providing GoK and other stakeholders with skills, capacity and funding for anchor implementation of ICT projects for development) over time we have only seen laxity in the management of ICT by Government i.e. poor websites, unsatisfactory performance of legacy systems, inconsistent DNS & IP address management, meagre IT Security (web, network, etc), little or no R&D and M&E of ICT & eGovt, etc. But may be it is not deliberate laxity, it is that the Government Officers who manage IT issues in Government are not continuously trained in all pertinent areas to raise experts and skillful personnel. I hope this is an area ICT Board can address, when they say that part of their mandate is Capacity Building, otherwise we have Government Officers who cannot do much to use broadband properly and strategically as well as make eGovernment a reality. The cabilities of these Officers should be close to, if not better than those in the private sector. And when GoK finally has real experts and engineers in ICT, a retention strategy MUST be adopted to keep them and recompense them accordingly. This is the future of Government IT, 'people who are knowledgeable and focused on a bright future'. LILIAN --- On Sun, 4/4/10, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked To: "Lilian" <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 9:42 AM Barrack, Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it will be wise if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had on Malili. Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create these agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms are good only when you point out where there are gaps.
The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only one person did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya kuchongoana tu. Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy proposals that I really think should push through then arouse sufficient interest from the membership here.
Ndemo.
This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this questions are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can someone provide us with a list of all agencies involved in ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do some tooth comb analysis, i saw a post from Paul on what the board has achieved early this year, that was very much in order we need something from NCS as well plus any other agencies.
Regards
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga <volunga@yahoo.com> wrote:
There is also another body , National Communications Secretarait. What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord and how do the two bodies relate with respect to advisory services to the governement on ICT matters?
Regards
Vitalis
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Hi, I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, Try reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to do anything and everything under the sun that could be called ICT which includes your microwave oven and copier. Functions of Kenya ICT Board The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the Kenya Gazette Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: • To advice the government on all relevant matters pertaining to development, coordination (remember the PM post) and promotion of ICT industries in the country. • Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities for investments in ICT technology • Facilitate and manage ICT industrial incubation parks and technology parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and land. • Partner with agents within and without the country to carry out such functions as it may consider necessary. • To transform and empower society through deployment and use of ICTs. • Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT products and services. Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G, yes you guessed it I still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi. Regards
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Vitalis, Brother Siganga and Kamotho are best placed to comment on your post. Ndemo.
For effective and long term strategic development, the system needs to be looked at as a whole, from "helicopter view, or bird's eye view perspective. The right hand needs to know what the left is doing. Duplication of roles and many centres of powers can only deter development. Starting from the global perspective, it was a big debate to arrive at the jus the name "Information, Commuinications and Techonologies." It took the world nations a number of forums and numerous dicussions and dialogue sessions, before a concensus could be reached to coin the name, ICT. The main reason was the the complexity due rapidly changing technologcal innovations, the changing needs of the people, the needs for governments to develop policicies, etc., Some polcies were were based on comand-and-control sytems approach, in the indutries or sub-sectors, in what is now commonly known as the ICT sector. At the beginning the indutry boundaries were distinct, mainly revolving around telecommunications and broadcasting. The life was easy because the enviroment was stable and the future was easily predicable. With the techlological innovations in computing and communications, and the converegence of variuous technologies, industry boundaries have become more maleable. This this is a challenge as well as an oppotunity that we are facing and need to be addressed, at all times. There is need for an umbrella body "from a bird's eye view perspective " to guide in formulation and coordination of strategies in ICT sector to achieve the long-term national objectives. Otherwise we will end-up with fragmented development plans, with very little impact on the sytem as whole at the national level.  Â
Controbutions have been made including mentioning about professional bodies/assocaiations in othe fields, e.g. ICPAK, KMA, etc. Also there are variuos governmental authorities in this country. Apart from the ICT Board, there are the Roads Boad, Coffee Board, etc. which may or may not be professionally based. However, it is important to note that ICT is wide %
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Vitalis, Your view on the need to form an umbrella body "from a bird's eye view perspective " to guide the formulation and coordination of strategies in ICT sector is quite valid and realizable. There is absolutely no excuse for not having an authoritative reference point for such an enormous industry/pofession. But as you observe the process of getting every eligible person to see the need to board the common vehicle that you envision marks the point where the rubber meets the road. Its bound to be complex but as you say worth trying. For any solid progress to be registered the following realities attributable to the existing state of affairs warrant consideration. 1. ICT is a multifaceted discipline. It has seperate elements to do with Software design, Database issues, AI, Web Design, E-Learning, Mobiles, Hardware....Consequently there are those who argue that the specifics of ICT can not be accomodated in the wider ICT umbrella. The thrust of this opinion is not fully conceivable. 2. There is a peculiar propensity amongst the ICT folk to create multiple versions (splinter lobby groups) at the slightest excuse.eg we currently have some like ICT Association, Computer Association, Linux Association, BPO Association, ICT Consumers Society, IT Standards Association. In fact if the trend continues you will expect some associations to come in the following further versions: Mobile phone society of Kenya, Laptop Association of Kenya, Flashdisk consumers Association of Kenya, M-Pesa customers federation, Windows XP alliance. Word 2007 Self Help group, Blackberry movement of Kenya... name them. It's tantamount to having more preachers than the target congregation. 3. A large section of ICT people are indifferent. They love to mind their own business not the profession nor the industry. They dont see the quagmire Advancement is possible if all stakeholders decide to abandon mediocrity. Kamotho Njenga On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 7:33 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Vitalis,
Brother Siganga and Kamotho are best placed to comment on your post.
Ndemo.
For effective and long term strategic development, the system needs to be looked at as a whole, from "helicopter view, or bird's eye view perspective. The right hand needs to know what the left is doing. Duplication of roles and many centres of powers can only deter development. Starting from the global perspective, it was a big debate to arrive at the jus the name "Information, Commuinications and Techonologies." It took the world nations a number of forums and numerous dicussions and dialogue sessions, before a concensus could be reached to coin the name, ICT. The main reason was the the complexity due rapidly changing technologcal innovations, the changing needs of the people, the needs for governments to develop policicies, etc., Some polcies were were based on comand-and-control sytems approach, in the indutries or sub-sectors, in what is now commonly known as the ICT sector. At the beginning the indutry boundaries were distinct, mainly revolving around telecommunications and broadcasting. The life was easy because the enviroment was stable and the future was easily predicable. With the techlological innovations in computing and communications, and the converegence of variuous technologies, industry boundaries have become more maleable. This this is a challenge as well as an oppotunity that we are facing and need to be addressed, at all times. There is need for an umbrella body "from a bird's eye view perspective " to guide in formulation and coordination of strategies in ICT sector to achieve the long-term national objectives. Otherwise we will end-up with fragmented development plans, with very little impact on the sytem as whole at the national level.  Â
Controbutions have been made including mentioning about professional bodies/assocaiations in othe fields, e.g. ICPAK, KMA, etc. Also there are variuos governmental authorities in this country. Apart from the ICT Board, there are the Roads Boad, Coffee Board, etc. which may or may not be professionally based. However, it is important to note that ICT is wide %
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Hi, I think we need to stop thinking that ICT is so wide and vast, have you tried to look at areas such as medicine or engineering yet all have professional bodies. A surgeon is different from a physician or a psychiatrist but at the focal point is the general practitioner who sees the patient as a single entity. The neurologist sees a specific function, the ophthalmologist sees another we need a generalist entity that does not spend its energy on the finer details. As I said in a separate thread we need to look at this issues from a focal point, the other issues are details. When the president says he has created a district it is not for him to operationalise the act, that is why there are bureaucrats on the government payroll. Unfortunately we do not have a "president" to give similar directives on ICT, I can assure you that if the President made a proclamation tomorrow that government should have a single contact number it will be effected the day after. I therefore concur with a statement that the government is suffering from a governance issue and the ICT Board is not able to fill those shoes which is why this discussion is not ending. Lets look towards getting a focal point for governments ICT issues, someone who can include those directives in the presidents speeches. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Kamotho Njenga <kamothonjenga@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wed, 7 April, 2010 10:23:29 Subject: Re: [kictanet] {Disarmed} Re: Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building Vitalis, Your view on the need to form an umbrella body "from a bird's eye view perspective " to guide the formulation and coordination of strategies in ICT sector is quite valid and realizable. There is absolutely no excuse for not having an authoritative reference point for such an enormous industry/pofession. But as you observe the process of getting every eligible person to see the need to board the common vehicle that you envision marks the point where the rubber meets the road. Its bound to be complex but as you say worth trying. For any solid progress to be registered the following realities attributable to the existing state of affairs warrant consideration. 1. ICT is a multifaceted discipline. It has seperate elements to do with Software design, Database issues, AI, Web Design, E-Learning, Mobiles, Hardware....Consequently there are those who argue that the specifics of ICT can not be accomodated in the wider ICT umbrella. The thrust of this opinion is not fully conceivable. 2. There is a peculiar propensity amongst the ICT folk to create multiple versions (splinter lobby groups) at the slightest excuse.eg we currently have some like ICT Association, Computer Association, Linux Association, BPO Association, ICT Consumers Society, IT Standards Association. In fact if the trend continues you will expect some associations to come in the following further versions: Mobile phone society of Kenya, Laptop Association of Kenya, Flashdisk consumers Association of Kenya, M-Pesa customers federation, Windows XP alliance. Word 2007 Self Help group, Blackberry movement of Kenya... name them. It's tantamount to having more preachers than the target congregation. 3. A large section of ICT people are indifferent. They love to mind their own business not the profession nor the industry. They dont see the quagmire Advancement is possible if all stakeholders decide to abandon mediocrity. Kamotho Njenga On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 7:33 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote: Vitalis,
Brother Siganga and Kamotho are best placed to comment on your post.
Ndemo.
Duplication of roles and many centres of powers can only deter development. Starting from the global perspective, it was a big debate to arrive at the jus the name "Information, Commuinications and Techonologies." It took the world nations a number of forums and numerous dicussions and dialogue sessions, before a concensus could be reached to coin the name, ICT. The main reason was the the complexity due rapidly changing technologcal innovations, the changing needs of the
the indutries or sub-sectors, in what is now commonly known as the ICT sector. At the beginning the indutry boundaries were distinct,
was easy because the enviroment was stable and the future was easily
For effective and long term strategic development, the system needs to be looked at as a whole, from "helicopter view, or bird's eye view perspective. The right hand needs to know what the left is doing. people, the needs for governments to develop policicies, etc., Some polcies were were based on comand-and-control sytems approach, in mainly revolving around telecommunications and broadcasting. The life predicable. With the techlological innovations in computing and communications, and the converegence of variuous technologies, industry
boundaries have become more maleable. This this is a challenge as well as an oppotunity that we are facing and need to be addressed, at all times. There is need for an umbrella body "from a bird's eye view perspective " to guide in formulation and coordination of strategies in ICT sector to achieve the long-term national objectives. Otherwise we will end-up with fragmented development plans, with very little impact on the sytem as whole at the national level.  Â
Controbutions have been made including mentioning about professional bodies/assocaiations in othe fields, e.g. ICPAK, KMA, etc. Also there are
variuos governmental authorities in this country. Apart from the ICT Board, there are the Roads Boad, Coffee Board, etc. which may or may not be professionally based. However, it is important to note that ICT is wide %
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For effective and long term strategic development, the system needs to be looked at as a whole, from "helicopter view, or bird's eye view perspective. The right hand needs to know what the left is doing. Duplication of roles and many centres of powers can only deter development. Starting from the global perspective, it was a big debate to arrive at the jus the name "Information, Commuinications and Techonologies." It took the world nations a number of forums and numerous dicussions and dialogue sessions, before a concensus could be reached to coin the name, ICT. The main reason was the
due rapidly changing technologcal innovations, the changing needs of the people, the needs for governments to develop policicies, etc., Some polcies were were based on comand-and-control sytems approach, in the indutries or sub-sectors, in what is now commonly known as the ICT sector. At the beginning the indutry boundaries were distinct, mainly revolving around telecommunications and broadcasting. The life was easy because the enviroment was stable and the future was easily predicable. With the techlological innovations in computing and communications, and the converegence of variuous technologies, industry boundaries have become more maleable. This this is a challenge as well as an oppotunity that we are facing and need to be addressed, at all times. There is need for an umbrella body "from a bird's eye view perspective " to guide in formulation and coordination of strategies in ICT sector to achieve the long-term national objectives. Otherwise we will end-up with fragmented development plans, with very
the sytem as whole at the national level. Â Â
Controbutions have been made including mentioning about
bodies/assocaiations in othe fields, e.g. ICPAK, KMA, etc. Also there are variuos governmental authorities in this country. Apart from
Board, there are the Roads Boad, Coffee Board, etc. which may or may not be professionally based. However, it is important to note
Bw Kamotho - perhaps you cross-check your two mails from yesterday and today as there are some apparent contradictions. Yesterday you wrote that some time back together with some friends you decided to form an association. Today you are writing that "There is a peculiar propensity amongst the ICT folk to create multiple versions (splinter lobby groups) at the slightest excuse.eg ". Yesterday you also wrote "There are many ongoing efforts within the ICT sector but they are too fragmentary to realize any substantial gains. " - which is not consistent with forming yet another association. The issue of an umbrella organization is another one that is being regurgitated on this list. KIF comprehensively dealt with this issue some years back. The other associations you mention such as LINUX, BPO, etc are to me also doing a good job except maybe ITSA which I think was formed by Prof and his buddies but appears non-operational. Finally are there some achievements or activities of your association that you could share and is your association willing to work WITH others e.g. under KEPSA? Waudo On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 10:23 +0300, "Kamotho Njenga" <kamothonjenga@gmail.com> wrote: Vitalis, Your view on the need to form an umbrella body "from a bird's eye view perspective " to guide the formulation and coordination of strategies in ICT sector is quite valid and realizable. There is absolutely no excuse for not having an authoritative reference point for such an enormous industry/pofession. But as you observe the process of getting every eligible person to see the need to board the common vehicle that you envision marks the point where the rubber meets the road. Its bound to be complex but as you say worth trying. For any solid progress to be registered the following realities attributable to the existing state of affairs warrant consideration. 1. ICT is a multifaceted discipline. It has seperate elements to do with Software design, Database issues, AI, Web Design, E-Learning, Mobiles, Hardware....Consequently there are those who argue that the specifics of ICT can not be accomodated in the wider ICT umbrella. The thrust of this opinion is not fully conceivable. 2. There is a peculiar propensity amongst the ICT folk to create multiple versions (splinter lobby groups) at the slightest [1]excuse.eg we currently have some like ICT Association, Computer Association, Linux Association, BPO Association, ICT Consumers Society, IT Standards Association. In fact if the trend continues you will expect some associations to come in the following further versions: Mobile phone society of Kenya, Laptop Association of Kenya, Flashdisk consumers Association of Kenya, M-Pesa customers federation, Windows XP alliance. Word 2007 Self Help group, Blackberry movement of Kenya... name them. It's tantamount to having more preachers than the target congregation. 3. A large section of ICT people are indifferent. They love to mind their own business not the profession nor the industry. They dont see the quagmire Advancement is possible if all stakeholders decide to abandon mediocrity. Kamotho Njenga On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 7:33 AM, <[2]bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote: Vitalis, Brother Siganga and Kamotho are best placed to comment on your post. Ndemo. the complexity little impact on professional the ICT that ICT is wide % ---------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --------------------------------------------- "easy access to the world" _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [3]kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke [4]http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: [5]kamothonjenga@gmail.com Unsubscribe or change your options at [6]http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/kamothonj enga%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: emailsignet@mailcan.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman /options/kictanet/emailsignet%40mailcan.com References 1. http://excuse.eg/ 2. mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke 3. mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke 4. http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet 5. mailto:kamothonjenga@gmail.com 6. http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/kamothonjenga%40gmail.c...
Dr Waudo, I have absolutely nothing personal against any entity or person whatsoever. The freedom to voluntarily associate under whatever banner is universally guaranteed and no one can purport to interfere with the same. The case I am trying to bring forth is straight forward: We stand to achieve more for the industry if we work jointly rather than in isolation. The raging debate appertains to the current status of Kenyan ICT institutional framework. Probably the reason why the matter keeps resurfacing is because its yet to receive a sufficient blow. The proposal to have a town hall gathering a reality offers an opportunity for all of us to take stock of the industry/profession. In so doing we might be able to celebrate the successes and if we are willing to ruthlessly face the failures/gaps resulting from our individual and collective misjudgements. By pointing out certain issues that are glaringly out of order, I am not doing so to demean any organization or because of what my organization has achieved. In deed I consider myself a culprit as far as the whole quagmire relates. My contributions are informed by some sense of reflection triggered by the unfoldings of this thread. As to whether I would be willing to work under KEPSA, I would have no hesitation if my contribution would facilitate improvement. In my humble opinion it would be additionally important to have a professional point of reference for the industry. Obviously there exists some variations between the interests of the private sector and those of professionals and Academia. Regarding the matter you have cited on formation of another association my position is clear. I am not advocating for the formation of an extra association. What would be more appropriate if agreeable is to have the different associations dissolve voluntarily so that we can reconstitute a formidable umbrella entity that would have structures to accomodate the various activity scopes of the multiple associations. My conviction is that if all the organizations can operate under one roof there would be more synergy since despite being detachable, all the facets of ICT are interdependent. Surely, it would be considerably easier to engage each other when working from a common secretariat than when there are organizational demarcations. Kamotho Njenga On 4/7/10, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:
Bw Kamotho - perhaps you cross-check your two mails from yesterday and today as there are some apparent contradictions. Yesterday you wrote that some time back together with some friends you decided to form an association. Today you are writing that "There is a peculiar propensity amongst the ICT folk to create multiple versions (splinter lobby groups) at the slightest excuse.eg ". Yesterday you also wrote "There are many ongoing efforts within the ICT sector but they are too fragmentary to realize any substantial gains. " - which is not consistent with forming yet another association.
The issue of an umbrella organization is another one that is being regurgitated on this list. KIF comprehensively dealt with this issue some years back. The other associations you mention such as LINUX, BPO, etc are to me also doing a good job except maybe ITSA which I think was formed by Prof and his buddies but appears non-operational.
Finally are there some achievements or activities of your association that you could share and is your association willing to work WITH others e.g. under KEPSA?
Waudo
On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 10:23 +0300, "Kamotho Njenga" <kamothonjenga@gmail.com> wrote:
Vitalis, Your view on the need to form an umbrella body "from a bird's eye view perspective " to guide the formulation and coordination of strategies in ICT sector is quite valid and realizable. There is absolutely no excuse for not having an authoritative reference point for such an enormous industry/pofession. But as you observe the process of getting every eligible person to see the need to board the common vehicle that you envision marks the point where the rubber meets the road. Its bound to be complex but as you say worth trying. For any solid progress to be registered the following realities attributable to the existing state of affairs warrant consideration.
1. ICT is a multifaceted discipline. It has seperate elements to do with Software design, Database issues, AI, Web Design, E-Learning, Mobiles, Hardware....Consequently there are those who argue that the specifics of ICT can not be accomodated in the wider ICT umbrella. The thrust of this opinion is not fully conceivable.
2. There is a peculiar propensity amongst the ICT folk to create multiple versions (splinter lobby groups) at the slightest excuse.eg we currently have some like ICT Association, Computer Association, Linux Association, BPO Association, ICT Consumers Society, IT Standards Association. In fact if the trend continues you will expect some associations to come in the following further versions: Mobile phone society of Kenya, Laptop Association of Kenya, Flashdisk consumers Association of Kenya, M-Pesa customers federation, Windows XP alliance. Word 2007 Self Help group, Blackberry movement of Kenya... name them. It's tantamount to having more preachers than the target congregation.
3. A large section of ICT people are indifferent. They love to mind their own business not the profession nor the industry. They dont see the quagmire
Advancement is possible if all stakeholders decide to abandon mediocrity.
Kamotho Njenga
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 7:33 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Vitalis,
Brother Siganga and Kamotho are best placed to comment on your post.
Ndemo.
For effective and long term strategic development, the system needs to be looked at as a whole, from "helicopter view, or bird's eye view perspective. The right hand needs to know what the left is doing. Duplication of roles and many centres of powers can only deter development. Starting from the global perspective, it was a big debate to arrive at the jus the name "Information, Commuinications and Techonologies." It took the world nations a number of forums and numerous dicussions and dialogue sessions, before a concensus could be reached to coin the name, ICT. The main reason was the the complexity due rapidly changing technologcal innovations, the changing needs of the people, the needs for governments to develop policicies, etc., Some polcies were were based on comand-and-control sytems approach, in the indutries or sub-sectors, in what is now commonly known as the ICT sector. At the beginning the indutry boundaries were distinct, mainly revolving around telecommunications and broadcasting. The life was easy because the enviroment was stable and the future was easily predicable. With the techlological innovations in computing and communications, and the converegence of variuous technologies, industry boundaries have become more maleable. This this is a challenge as well as an oppotunity that we are facing and need to be addressed, at all times. There is need for an umbrella body "from a bird's eye view perspective " to guide in formulation and coordination of strategies in ICT sector to achieve the long-term national objectives. Otherwise we will end-up with fragmented development plans, with very little impact on the sytem as whole at the national level.  Â
Controbutions have been made including mentioning about professional bodies/assocaiations in othe fields, e.g. ICPAK, KMA, etc. Also there are variuos governmental authorities in this country. Apart from the ICT Board, there are the Roads Boad, Coffee Board, etc. which may or may not be professionally based. However, it is important to note that ICT is wide %
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Just for comparison’s sake: The Government of South Australia has an ‘ICT Board’. Their ICT Board provides strategic leadership and governance of ICT services and initiatives, and oversees strategic ICT planning activities, for the whole of the Government of South Australia. The ICT Board directs, monitors and oversees the evaluation and impact of all policy and planning decisions on ICT capacity and capability. Visit their ICT Board page for more information. You can also visit their ICT Governance Framework page for more information on realizing ICT Governance Framework. As a result, I think the Gilda Team is ‘on course’ to help GoK and the Country to 'get it right' because as it is, even though ‘it is not broken’, the future is very bleak if GoK doesn't change their ‘same-old-lax’ way of doing things. Am afraid, neither our ICT Board (in my opinion, as it is today) can get us to ‘Canaan’ nor the Directorate of eGovernment. There is need for an informed Institutional Framework for ICT management in GoK. As the Gilda Team gears forward in forming committees or working teams/groups, (in borrowing examples from others) top on the list should be: 1. Governance of ICT committee – One that will engender and promote the concepts of good governance of ICT in Government and the ICT industry at large; 2. ICT Security and Risk Steering Committee – One that should aim to assure that processes to address threats to government ICT assets (as well as Critical Information Infrastructure for Kenya) are implemented, maintained and reviewed appropriately. 3. Shared Services Committee – Following the ‘connected government summit’, such a committee would be quite useful in coordinating effective and efficient use of sharable resources and ensure effective development of sustainable ‘shared capacity’, to avoid duplication resulting to wastage. LILIAN --- On Wed, 4/7/10, Kamotho Njenga <kamothonjenga@gmail.com> wrote: From: Kamotho Njenga <kamothonjenga@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building To: "Lilian" <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 10:16 AM Dr Waudo, I have absolutely nothing personal against any entity or person whatsoever. The freedom to voluntarily associate under whatever banner is universally guaranteed and no one can purport to interfere with the same. The case I am trying to bring forth is straight forward: We stand to achieve more for the industry if we work jointly rather than in isolation. The raging debate appertains to the current status of Kenyan ICT institutional framework. Probably the reason why the matter keeps resurfacing is because its yet to receive a sufficient blow. The proposal to have a town hall gathering a reality offers an opportunity for all of us to take stock of the industry/profession. In so doing we might be able to celebrate the successes and if we are willing to ruthlessly face the failures/gaps resulting from our individual and collective misjudgements. By pointing out certain issues that are glaringly out of order, I am not doing so to demean any organization or because of what my organization has achieved. In deed I consider myself a culprit as far as the whole quagmire relates. My contributions are informed by some sense of reflection triggered by the unfoldings of this thread. As to whether I would be willing to work under KEPSA, I would have no hesitation if my contribution would facilitate improvement. In my humble opinion it would be additionally important to have a professional point of reference for the industry. Obviously there exists some variations between the interests of the private sector and those of professionals and Academia. Regarding the matter you have cited on formation of another association my position is clear. I am not advocating for the formation of an extra association. What would be more appropriate if agreeable is to have the different associations dissolve voluntarily so that we can reconstitute a formidable umbrella entity that would have structures to accomodate the various activity scopes of the multiple associations. My conviction is that if all the organizations can operate under one roof there would be more synergy since despite being detachable, all the facets of ICT are interdependent. Surely, it would be considerably easier to engage each other when working from a common secretariat than when there are organizational demarcations. Kamotho Njenga On 4/7/10, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote: Bw Kamotho - perhaps you cross-check your two mails from yesterday and today as there are some apparent contradictions. Yesterday you wrote that some time back together with some friends you decided to form an association. Today you are writing that "There is a peculiar propensity amongst the ICT folk to create multiple versions (splinter lobby groups) at the slightest excuse.eg ". Yesterday you also wrote "There are many ongoing efforts within the ICT sector but they are too fragmentary to realize any substantial gains. " - which is not consistent with forming yet another association. The issue of an umbrella organization is another one that is being regurgitated on this list. KIF comprehensively dealt with this issue some years back. The other associations you mention such as LINUX, BPO, etc are to me also doing a good job except maybe ITSA which I think was formed by Prof and his buddies but appears non-operational. Finally are there some achievements or activities of your association that you could share and is your association willing to work WITH others e.g. under KEPSA? Waudo On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 10:23 +0300, "Kamotho Njenga" <kamothonjenga@gmail.com> wrote: Vitalis, Your view on the need to form an umbrella body "from a bird's eye view perspective " to guide the formulation and coordination of strategies in ICT sector is quite valid and realizable. There is absolutely no excuse for not having an authoritative reference point for such an enormous industry/pofession. But as you observe the process of getting every eligible person to see the need to board the common vehicle that you envision marks the point where the rubber meets the road. Its bound to be complex but as you say worth trying. For any solid progress to be registered the following realities attributable to the existing state of affairs warrant consideration. 1. ICT is a multifaceted discipline. It has seperate elements to do with Software design, Database issues, AI, Web Design, E-Learning, Mobiles, Hardware....Consequently there are those who argue that the specifics of ICT can not be accomodated in the wider ICT umbrella. The thrust of this opinion is not fully conceivable. 2. There is a peculiar propensity amongst the ICT folk to create multiple versions (splinter lobby groups) at the slightest excuse.eg we currently have some like ICT Association, Computer Association, Linux Association, BPO Association, ICT Consumers Society, IT Standards Association. In fact if the trend continues you will expect some associations to come in the following further versions: Mobile phone society of Kenya, Laptop Association of Kenya, Flashdisk consumers Association of Kenya, M-Pesa customers federation, Windows XP alliance. Word 2007 Self Help group, Blackberry movement of Kenya... name them. It's tantamount to having more preachers than the target congregation. 3. A large section of ICT people are indifferent. They love to mind their own business not the profession nor the industry. They dont see the quagmire Advancement is possible if all stakeholders decide to abandon mediocrity. Kamotho Njenga On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 7:33 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote: Vitalis, Brother Siganga and Kamotho are best placed to comment on your post. Ndemo.
For effective and long term strategic development, the system needs to be
looked at as a whole, from "helicopter view, or bird's eye view perspective. The right hand needs to know what the left is doing. Duplication of roles and many centres of powers can only deter
development. Starting from the global perspective, it was a big debate to arrive at the jus the name "Information, Commuinications and Techonologies." It took the world nations a number of forums and
numerous dicussions and dialogue sessions, before a concensus could be reached to coin the name, ICT. The main reason was the the complexity due rapidly changing technologcal innovations, the changing needs of the
people, the needs for governments to develop policicies, etc., Some polcies were were based on comand-and-control sytems approach, in the indutries or sub-sectors, in what is now commonly known as the ICT
sector. At the beginning the indutry boundaries were distinct, mainly revolving around telecommunications and broadcasting. The life was easy because the enviroment was stable and the future was easily
predicable. With the techlological innovations in computing and communications, and the converegence of variuous technologies, industry boundaries have become more maleable. This this is a challenge as well
as an oppotunity that we are facing and need to be addressed, at all times. There is need for an umbrella body "from a bird's eye view perspective " to guide in formulation and coordination of strategies in
ICT sector to achieve the long-term national objectives. Otherwise we will end-up with fragmented development plans, with very little impact on the sytem as whole at the national level.  Â
Controbutions have been made including mentioning about professional bodies/assocaiations in othe fields, e.g. ICPAK, KMA, etc. Also there are variuos governmental authorities in this country. Apart from the ICT
Board, there are the Roads Boad, Coffee Board, etc. which may or may not be professionally based. However, it is important to note that ICT is wide %
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Listers, I think this is a very healthy debate for the industry. Esther, whereas whatever body will face the same queries over their mandate, in my view, what is most important is that each respective body plays it part to the full and possibly even surpass the expectations of the industry. As long as they are all forging towards one goal (making Kenya the ICT Hub in Africa)in all their activities, the industry will have gained. What is important is that all these bodies do not fight each other, rather complement one another to grow this industry. We must all work together for good of this industry and nation. Gilda Odera Chair, BPO/ITES Working Group at the Office of the Prime Minister (For those not aware, a group of 6 persons from Private Sector and Government was recently put together for a two year term to advise on all these issues being raised in this list. Your views are being noted.) Quoting Esther Muchiri <emuchiri@andestbites.com>:
Good suggestions Harry, but while I am not a pessimist, I have a feeling that with time, whatever body will be formed will still face the same attacks/questions from the industry on the mandate etc
Perhaps the upcoming public forum will begin to shed some light in the direction ICT development in Kenya should follow?
From: kictanet-bounces+emuchiri=andestbites.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+emuchiri=andestbites.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Harry Delano Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 6:21 PM To: emuchiri@andestbites.com Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building
Lilian,
This is so comprehensive.. Hope, notes are being taken from these resourceful discussions coming in.
Mine, is just a proposal. Clearly, the different agencies existing, happen to work within some form of
mandate in their own areas of jurisdiction or so, whether the mandates are competing mandates or
a duplication, it may be quite difficult to just "merge" them..
Clearly, Listers - one thing that is now clear, is that ICT is a huge phenomenon, that cuts' out across
the entire spectrum of Govt and ministries - beyond INFOCOM. This means, stakeholders from other
Govt. sectors need to be brought into the fold to harmonize strategy..
I suppose therefore, this may call for an oversight body - to which, each of the Govt agencies can have a
representation. This oversight, could encompass reps, from all sectors, private , and govt. All interests
should be declared as a pre-requisite to serving on this panel for purposes of accountability and
transparency..
If in order, I could float some names for such a body, such as:-
* National ICT Task Force - (NICTAF) * National ICT Agency of Kenya - (NICTAK) * National ICT Oversight Board -(NICTOB)
Other names are welcome..
Harry
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From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Lilian Karanja Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 11:43 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building
Yes, Robert.......I see.
Certainly, what GoK needs is ICT Governance. "Without governance you do not produce good decisions consistently. 'Governance' in the context of the management of ICT crafts a clear framework in which decisions are made, who makes the decisions about business and technology developments, who has input into the decision-making process and how the decisions are formed".
In my opinion, the ICT Board (under Min. Of Info Comm), the Directorate of e-Government (under OP), the GITS Department (under Min. Of Finance), and both the CCK and NCS (both under Min. Of Info Comm) seem to have related ICT goals and objectives. They (unfortunately) don't seem to oftenly collaborate in their decision-making. I personally like the idea of a KITA like SITA/RITA. Sometime ago, the Directorate of e-Government seemed to come-up into a KITA (in the way we think of SITA/RITA), but did not 'mature' into the institution envisioned.
GoK ICT Governance Decisions would ideally focus on:
. Determining the strategic approach to e-government and ICT within GoK
. How the e-government initiatives should be used in GoK, to improve services, reduce costs, develop the community, etc
. How fundamental e-government and ICT is to GoK and the country at large
. The way e-government and ICT is to be managed (e.g. by what mechanism and how resources are to be managed)
. The way investments are to be made and policies on realising and sharing benefits
. How the required skills are to be procured (through strategic partnerships, in-house, through consortium, etc)
. The principles that underlie the ICT architecture
. Setting priorities and determining e-government and ICT investment programmes
. Managing the foundations and regulations regarding the core elements of the infrastructure:
o Personnel - who will be responsible for their professional development and where certain skills should reside
o Methods and techniques - what project/programme management, development and operations management standards should be used
o Charging mechanisms and services standards (performance management)
o Information - standards to enable the effective sharing of information
o Core applications - intranet, finance systems, payroll, registries and personnel standards, etc
o Technical - network, consolidated service desk, data standards
o Security
o Legal
This has conspicuously missed within GoK, in the past years. We look to GoK greatly to spur 'mwananchi' by keenly committing to 'add value' to broadband so that their attitude, confidence and appreciation towards the use ICTs and the Internet increases (especially in the rural areas, as they access Government e-Services), thus creating an Internet Community and an IT culture. Am not sure we necessarily need support from outside to do this, even donor funds (we don't need). We can do it on our own, as we (Kenya) are, now, known to be an emerging knowledge economy. GoK can lead the way to create a Kenyan way 'working with'and using ICT. We have so many Youth (any way), who are jobless! Lets purposefully develop capacity of these young and use them sufficiently.
I rest my case, and I apologise for any misunderstandings.
LILIAN
--- On Tue, 4/6/10, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building To: "Lilian Karanja" <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 12:32 AM
Hi Lilian,
Just wanted to clarify an issue, government has some of the best trained ICT fellows and I know because I have regularly interacted with them for over 10 years. Do not be deceived by the fact that they are no fancy websites or iphone applications the men and women who keep the government systems running are basically miracle workers.
How they do it is beyond my comprehension and the last thin they need is a capacity building what they need like all with the other areas of government is a co-ordinator or a Deputy Prime Minister IS. Hon Raila has definitely moved government efficiency a notch higher and without a "dream team" or expatriate consultants all he did was dust off the diamonds within.
Government has a beautiful retention strategy which is we pay you for 2 hours a day and we expect you to only deliver the paid for work, if you are unable to find something profitable to do with the balance 6 hours then that is your problem.
What we need is a deputy prime minister information systems or ICT or BPO whatever the name of which KICTB has proven not to be to "desilo" (term coined by Dr. Ndemo during the PM Round table meeting) the government activities.
Can you government ICT gurus stick your heads out and defend your selves, I know many of you are on this listing, so be warned that next time I need to put the record strait on your behalf I will actually name names.
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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From: Lilian Karanja <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Mon, 5 April, 2010 16:58:41 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
Dear PS:
It is a little discouraging to hear you say that the issues discussed in this topic are 'kuchongoana tu'. We look up to you, and others in Government and also in the private sector who are so passionate about the use of ICTs and the Internet to create opportunities for all, in Kenya, and see that ICT remains a reliable vehicle for economic growth and development. So, please don't stop listening to us, patiently and we beseech you to continue in your wisdom in dealing with these matters.
This topic, 'Who is ICT Board?' as well as that of 'eGovernment is it a myth or reality?' have raised important questions that should be addressed with 'a big heart' and an open mind. As you have noted, a town hall meeting is good and always welcome. However, moving forward, it needs to be clear how ICT Board interacts with Government and how it promotes the existence of an Institutional Framework for ICT management in Government. Clearly, the ICT Board manages of a huge chunk of donor funds for ICT growth in Kenya, eGovernment and the likes (through the KTCIP), but still the Government lags behind in their ICT technical know-how and skills.
While one of their mandate (the ICT Board) is Capacity Building (Providing GoK and other stakeholders with skills, capacity and funding for anchor implementation of ICT projects for development) over time we have only seen laxity in the management of ICT by Government i.e. poor websites, unsatisfactory performance of legacy systems, inconsistent DNS & IP address management, meagre IT Security (web, network, etc), little or no R&D and M&E of ICT & eGovt, etc. But may be it is not deliberate laxity, it is that the Government Officers who manage IT issues in Government are not continuously trained in all pertinent areas to raise experts and skillful personnel.
I hope this is an area ICT Board can address, when they say that part of their mandate is Capacity Building, otherwise we have Government Officers who cannot do much to use broadband properly and strategically as well as make eGovernment a reality. The cabilities of these Officers should be close to, if not better than those in the private sector. And when GoK finally has real experts and engineers in ICT, a retention strategy MUST be adopted to keep them and recompense them accordingly. This is the future of Government IT, 'people who are knowledgeable and focused on a bright future'.
LILIAN
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From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked To: "Lilian" <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 9:42 AM
Barrack, Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it will be wise if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had on Malili. Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create these agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms are good only when you point out where there are gaps.
The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only one person did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya kuchongoana tu. Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy proposals that I really think should push through then arouse sufficient interest from the membership here.
Ndemo.
This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this questions are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can someone provide us with a list of all agencies involved in ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do some tooth comb analysis, i saw a post from Paul on what the board has achieved early this year, that was very much in order we need something from NCS as well plus any other agencies.
Regards
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There is also another body , National Communications Secretarait. What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord and how do the two bodies relate with respect to advisory services to the governement on ICT matters?
Regards
Vitalis
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Hi, I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, Try reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to do anything and everything under the sun that could be called ICT which includes your microwave oven and copier. Functions of Kenya ICT Board The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the Kenya Gazette Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: . To advice the government on all relevant matters pertaining to development, coordination (remember the PM post) and promotion of ICT industries in the country. . Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities for investments in ICT technology . Facilitate and manage ICT industrial incubation parks and technology parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and land. . Partner with agents within and without the country to carry out such functions as it may consider necessary. . To transform and empower society through deployment and use of ICTs. . Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT products and services. Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G, yes you guessed it I still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi. Regards
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I fully agree with this approach suggested by Gilda. It is positive and this is the way to build Kenya. Trying to tear each other down as a pre-requisite for development does not work. Waudo On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 11:39 +0300, godera@skyweb.co.ke wrote:
Listers,
I think this is a very healthy debate for the industry. Esther, whereas whatever body will face the same queries over their mandate, in my view, what is most important is that each respective body plays it part to the full and possibly even surpass the expectations of the industry. As long as they are all forging towards one goal (making Kenya the ICT Hub in Africa)in all their activities, the industry will have gained. What is important is that all these bodies do not fight each other, rather complement one another to grow this industry. We must all work together for good of this industry and nation.
Gilda Odera Chair, BPO/ITES Working Group at the Office of the Prime Minister
(For those not aware, a group of 6 persons from Private Sector and Government was recently put together for a two year term to advise on all these issues being raised in this list. Your views are being noted.)
Quoting Esther Muchiri <emuchiri@andestbites.com>:
Good suggestions Harry, but while I am not a pessimist, I have a feeling that with time, whatever body will be formed will still face the same attacks/questions from the industry on the mandate etc
Perhaps the upcoming public forum will begin to shed some light in the direction ICT development in Kenya should follow?
From: kictanet-bounces+emuchiri=andestbites.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+emuchiri=andestbites.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Harry Delano Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 6:21 PM To: emuchiri@andestbites.com Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building
Lilian,
This is so comprehensive.. Hope, notes are being taken from these resourceful discussions coming in.
Mine, is just a proposal. Clearly, the different agencies existing, happen to work within some form of
mandate in their own areas of jurisdiction or so, whether the mandates are competing mandates or
a duplication, it may be quite difficult to just "merge" them..
Clearly, Listers - one thing that is now clear, is that ICT is a huge phenomenon, that cuts' out across
the entire spectrum of Govt and ministries - beyond INFOCOM. This means, stakeholders from other
Govt. sectors need to be brought into the fold to harmonize strategy..
I suppose therefore, this may call for an oversight body - to which, each of the Govt agencies can have a
representation. This oversight, could encompass reps, from all sectors, private , and govt. All interests
should be declared as a pre-requisite to serving on this panel for purposes of accountability and
transparency..
If in order, I could float some names for such a body, such as:-
* National ICT Task Force - (NICTAF) * National ICT Agency of Kenya - (NICTAK) * National ICT Oversight Board -(NICTOB)
Other names are welcome..
Harry
_____
From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Lilian Karanja Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 11:43 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building
Yes, Robert.......I see.
Certainly, what GoK needs is ICT Governance. "Without governance you do not produce good decisions consistently. 'Governance' in the context of the management of ICT crafts a clear framework in which decisions are made, who makes the decisions about business and technology developments, who has input into the decision-making process and how the decisions are formed".
In my opinion, the ICT Board (under Min. Of Info Comm), the Directorate of e-Government (under OP), the GITS Department (under Min. Of Finance), and both the CCK and NCS (both under Min. Of Info Comm) seem to have related ICT goals and objectives. They (unfortunately) don't seem to oftenly collaborate in their decision-making. I personally like the idea of a KITA like SITA/RITA. Sometime ago, the Directorate of e-Government seemed to come-up into a KITA (in the way we think of SITA/RITA), but did not 'mature' into the institution envisioned.
GoK ICT Governance Decisions would ideally focus on:
. Determining the strategic approach to e-government and ICT within GoK
. How the e-government initiatives should be used in GoK, to improve services, reduce costs, develop the community, etc
. How fundamental e-government and ICT is to GoK and the country at large
. The way e-government and ICT is to be managed (e.g. by what mechanism and how resources are to be managed)
. The way investments are to be made and policies on realising and sharing benefits
. How the required skills are to be procured (through strategic partnerships, in-house, through consortium, etc)
. The principles that underlie the ICT architecture
. Setting priorities and determining e-government and ICT investment programmes
. Managing the foundations and regulations regarding the core elements of the infrastructure:
o Personnel - who will be responsible for their professional development and where certain skills should reside
o Methods and techniques - what project/programme management, development and operations management standards should be used
o Charging mechanisms and services standards (performance management)
o Information - standards to enable the effective sharing of information
o Core applications - intranet, finance systems, payroll, registries and personnel standards, etc
o Technical - network, consolidated service desk, data standards
o Security
o Legal
This has conspicuously missed within GoK, in the past years. We look to GoK greatly to spur 'mwananchi' by keenly committing to 'add value' to broadband so that their attitude, confidence and appreciation towards the use ICTs and the Internet increases (especially in the rural areas, as they access Government e-Services), thus creating an Internet Community and an IT culture. Am not sure we necessarily need support from outside to do this, even donor funds (we don't need). We can do it on our own, as we (Kenya) are, now, known to be an emerging knowledge economy. GoK can lead the way to create a Kenyan way 'working with'and using ICT. We have so many Youth (any way), who are jobless! Lets purposefully develop capacity of these young and use them sufficiently.
I rest my case, and I apologise for any misunderstandings.
LILIAN
--- On Tue, 4/6/10, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building To: "Lilian Karanja" <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 12:32 AM
Hi Lilian,
Just wanted to clarify an issue, government has some of the best trained ICT fellows and I know because I have regularly interacted with them for over 10 years. Do not be deceived by the fact that they are no fancy websites or iphone applications the men and women who keep the government systems running are basically miracle workers.
How they do it is beyond my comprehension and the last thin they need is a capacity building what they need like all with the other areas of government is a co-ordinator or a Deputy Prime Minister IS. Hon Raila has definitely moved government efficiency a notch higher and without a "dream team" or expatriate consultants all he did was dust off the diamonds within.
Government has a beautiful retention strategy which is we pay you for 2 hours a day and we expect you to only deliver the paid for work, if you are unable to find something profitable to do with the balance 6 hours then that is your problem.
What we need is a deputy prime minister information systems or ICT or BPO whatever the name of which KICTB has proven not to be to "desilo" (term coined by Dr. Ndemo during the PM Round table meeting) the government activities.
Can you government ICT gurus stick your heads out and defend your selves, I know many of you are on this listing, so be warned that next time I need to put the record strait on your behalf I will actually name names.
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
_____
From: Lilian Karanja <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Mon, 5 April, 2010 16:58:41 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
Dear PS:
It is a little discouraging to hear you say that the issues discussed in this topic are 'kuchongoana tu'. We look up to you, and others in Government and also in the private sector who are so passionate about the use of ICTs and the Internet to create opportunities for all, in Kenya, and see that ICT remains a reliable vehicle for economic growth and development. So, please don't stop listening to us, patiently and we beseech you to continue in your wisdom in dealing with these matters.
This topic, 'Who is ICT Board?' as well as that of 'eGovernment is it a myth or reality?' have raised important questions that should be addressed with 'a big heart' and an open mind. As you have noted, a town hall meeting is good and always welcome. However, moving forward, it needs to be clear how ICT Board interacts with Government and how it promotes the existence of an Institutional Framework for ICT management in Government. Clearly, the ICT Board manages of a huge chunk of donor funds for ICT growth in Kenya, eGovernment and the likes (through the KTCIP), but still the Government lags behind in their ICT technical know-how and skills.
While one of their mandate (the ICT Board) is Capacity Building (Providing GoK and other stakeholders with skills, capacity and funding for anchor implementation of ICT projects for development) over time we have only seen laxity in the management of ICT by Government i.e. poor websites, unsatisfactory performance of legacy systems, inconsistent DNS & IP address management, meagre IT Security (web, network, etc), little or no R&D and M&E of ICT & eGovt, etc. But may be it is not deliberate laxity, it is that the Government Officers who manage IT issues in Government are not continuously trained in all pertinent areas to raise experts and skillful personnel.
I hope this is an area ICT Board can address, when they say that part of their mandate is Capacity Building, otherwise we have Government Officers who cannot do much to use broadband properly and strategically as well as make eGovernment a reality. The cabilities of these Officers should be close to, if not better than those in the private sector. And when GoK finally has real experts and engineers in ICT, a retention strategy MUST be adopted to keep them and recompense them accordingly. This is the future of Government IT, 'people who are knowledgeable and focused on a bright future'.
LILIAN
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From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked To: "Lilian" <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 9:42 AM
Barrack, Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it will be wise if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had on Malili. Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create these agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms are good only when you point out where there are gaps.
The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only one person did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya kuchongoana tu. Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy proposals that I really think should push through then arouse sufficient interest from the membership here.
Ndemo.
This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this questions are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can someone provide us with a list of all agencies involved in ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do some tooth comb analysis, i saw a post from Paul on what the board has achieved early this year, that was very much in order we need something from NCS as well plus any other agencies.
Regards
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga <volunga@yahoo.com <http://us.mc452.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=volunga@yahoo.com> > wrote:
There is also another body , National Communications Secretarait. What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord and how do the two bodies relate with respect to advisory services to the governement on ICT matters?
Regards
Vitalis
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Hi, I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, Try reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to do anything and everything under the sun that could be called ICT which includes your microwave oven and copier. Functions of Kenya ICT Board The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the Kenya Gazette Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: . To advice the government on all relevant matters pertaining to development, coordination (remember the PM post) and promotion of ICT industries in the country. . Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities for investments in ICT technology . Facilitate and manage ICT industrial incubation parks and technology parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and land. . Partner with agents within and without the country to carry out such functions as it may consider necessary. . To transform and empower society through deployment and use of ICTs. . Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT products and services. Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G, yes you guessed it I still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi. Regards
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Hey Gilda, Thanks a lot for these positive comments, Apparently, I suppose we need to be exposed to all these good teams, being put up out there, so that we can interact, and all these good suggestions and comments presented.. Maybe for a starter, can you please unveil/unmask this "six" man/women team - so that we can know them..? Harry -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of godera@skyweb.co.ke Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 11:39 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building Listers, I think this is a very healthy debate for the industry. Esther, whereas whatever body will face the same queries over their mandate, in my view, what is most important is that each respective body plays it part to the full and possibly even surpass the expectations of the industry. As long as they are all forging towards one goal (making Kenya the ICT Hub in Africa)in all their activities, the industry will have gained. What is important is that all these bodies do not fight each other, rather complement one another to grow this industry. We must all work together for good of this industry and nation. Gilda Odera Chair, BPO/ITES Working Group at the Office of the Prime Minister (For those not aware, a group of 6 persons from Private Sector and Government was recently put together for a two year term to advise on all these issues being raised in this list. Your views are being noted.) Quoting Esther Muchiri <emuchiri@andestbites.com>:
Good suggestions Harry, but while I am not a pessimist, I have a feeling that with time, whatever body will be formed will still face the same attacks/questions from the industry on the mandate etc
Perhaps the upcoming public forum will begin to shed some light in the direction ICT development in Kenya should follow?
From: kictanet-bounces+emuchiri=andestbites.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+emuchiri=andestbites.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke ] On Behalf Of Harry Delano Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 6:21 PM To: emuchiri@andestbites.com Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building
Lilian,
This is so comprehensive.. Hope, notes are being taken from these resourceful discussions coming in.
Mine, is just a proposal. Clearly, the different agencies existing, happen to work within some form of
mandate in their own areas of jurisdiction or so, whether the mandates are competing mandates or
a duplication, it may be quite difficult to just "merge" them..
Clearly, Listers - one thing that is now clear, is that ICT is a huge phenomenon, that cuts' out across
the entire spectrum of Govt and ministries - beyond INFOCOM. This means, stakeholders from other
Govt. sectors need to be brought into the fold to harmonize strategy..
I suppose therefore, this may call for an oversight body - to which, each of the Govt agencies can have a
representation. This oversight, could encompass reps, from all sectors, private , and govt. All interests
should be declared as a pre-requisite to serving on this panel for purposes of accountability and
transparency..
If in order, I could float some names for such a body, such as:-
* National ICT Task Force - (NICTAF) * National ICT Agency of Kenya - (NICTAK) * National ICT Oversight Board -(NICTOB)
Other names are welcome..
Harry
_____
From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Lilian Karanja Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 11:43 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building
Yes, Robert.......I see.
Certainly, what GoK needs is ICT Governance. "Without governance you do not produce good decisions consistently. 'Governance' in the context of the management of ICT crafts a clear framework in which decisions are made, who makes the decisions about business and technology developments, who has input into the decision-making process and how the decisions are formed".
In my opinion, the ICT Board (under Min. Of Info Comm), the Directorate of e-Government (under OP), the GITS Department (under Min. Of Finance), and both the CCK and NCS (both under Min. Of Info Comm) seem to have related ICT goals and objectives. They (unfortunately) don't seem to oftenly collaborate in their decision-making. I personally like the idea of a KITA like SITA/RITA. Sometime ago, the Directorate of e-Government seemed to come-up into a KITA (in the way we think of SITA/RITA), but did not 'mature' into the institution envisioned.
GoK ICT Governance Decisions would ideally focus on:
. Determining the strategic approach to e-government and ICT within GoK
. How the e-government initiatives should be used in GoK, to improve services, reduce costs, develop the community, etc
. How fundamental e-government and ICT is to GoK and the country at large
. The way e-government and ICT is to be managed (e.g. by what mechanism and how resources are to be managed)
. The way investments are to be made and policies on realising and sharing benefits
. How the required skills are to be procured (through strategic partnerships, in-house, through consortium, etc)
. The principles that underlie the ICT architecture
. Setting priorities and determining e-government and ICT investment programmes
. Managing the foundations and regulations regarding the core elements of the infrastructure:
o Personnel - who will be responsible for their professional development and where certain skills should reside
o Methods and techniques - what project/programme management, development and operations management standards should be used
o Charging mechanisms and services standards (performance management)
o Information - standards to enable the effective sharing of information
o Core applications - intranet, finance systems, payroll, registries
personnel standards, etc
o Technical - network, consolidated service desk, data standards
o Security
o Legal
This has conspicuously missed within GoK, in the past years. We look to GoK greatly to spur 'mwananchi' by keenly committing to 'add value' to broadband so that their attitude, confidence and appreciation towards the use ICTs and the Internet increases (especially in the rural areas, as they access Government e-Services), thus creating an Internet Community and an IT culture. Am not sure we necessarily need support from outside to do this, even donor funds (we don't need). We can do it on our own, as we (Kenya) are, now, known to be an emerging knowledge economy. GoK can lead the way to create a Kenyan way 'working with'and using ICT. We have so many Youth (any way), who are jobless! Lets purposefully develop capacity of these young and use them sufficiently.
I rest my case, and I apologise for any misunderstandings.
LILIAN
--- On Tue, 4/6/10, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building To: "Lilian Karanja" <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 12:32 AM
Hi Lilian,
Just wanted to clarify an issue, government has some of the best trained ICT fellows and I know because I have regularly interacted with them for over 10 years. Do not be deceived by the fact that they are no fancy websites or iphone applications the men and women who keep the government systems running are basically miracle workers.
How they do it is beyond my comprehension and the last thin they need is a capacity building what they need like all with the other areas of government is a co-ordinator or a Deputy Prime Minister IS. Hon Raila has definitely moved government efficiency a notch higher and without a "dream team" or expatriate consultants all he did was dust off the diamonds within.
Government has a beautiful retention strategy which is we pay you for 2 hours a day and we expect you to only deliver the paid for work, if you are unable to find something profitable to do with the balance 6 hours then that is your problem.
What we need is a deputy prime minister information systems or ICT or BPO whatever the name of which KICTB has proven not to be to "desilo" (term coined by Dr. Ndemo during the PM Round table meeting) the government activities.
Can you government ICT gurus stick your heads out and defend your selves, I know many of you are on this listing, so be warned that next time I need to put the record strait on your behalf I will actually name names.
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
_____
From: Lilian Karanja <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Mon, 5 April, 2010 16:58:41 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
Dear PS:
It is a little discouraging to hear you say that the issues discussed in this topic are 'kuchongoana tu'. We look up to you, and others in Government and also in the private sector who are so passionate about the use of ICTs and the Internet to create opportunities for all, in Kenya, and see that ICT remains a reliable vehicle for economic growth and development. So, please don't stop listening to us, patiently and we beseech you to continue in your wisdom in dealing with these matters.
This topic, 'Who is ICT Board?' as well as that of 'eGovernment is it a myth or reality?' have raised important questions that should be addressed with 'a big heart' and an open mind. As you have noted, a town hall meeting is good and always welcome. However, moving forward, it needs to be clear how ICT Board interacts with Government and how it promotes the existence of an Institutional Framework for ICT management in Government. Clearly, the ICT Board manages of a huge chunk of donor funds for ICT growth in Kenya, eGovernment and the likes (through the KTCIP), but still the Government lags behind in their ICT technical know-how and skills.
While one of their mandate (the ICT Board) is Capacity Building (Providing GoK and other stakeholders with skills, capacity and funding for anchor implementation of ICT projects for development) over time we have only seen laxity in the management of ICT by Government i.e. poor websites, unsatisfactory performance of legacy systems, inconsistent DNS & IP address management, meagre IT Security (web, network, etc), little or no R&D and M&E of ICT & eGovt, etc. But may be it is not deliberate laxity, it is that the Government Officers who manage IT issues in Government are not continuously trained in all
and pertinent areas to raise experts and skillful personnel.
I hope this is an area ICT Board can address, when they say that part of their mandate is Capacity Building, otherwise we have Government Officers who cannot do much to use broadband properly and strategically as well as make eGovernment a reality. The cabilities of these Officers should be close to, if not better than those in the private sector. And when GoK finally has real experts and engineers in ICT, a retention strategy MUST be adopted to keep them and recompense them accordingly. This is the future of Government IT, 'people who are
knowledgeable and focused on a bright future'.
LILIAN
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From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked To: "Lilian" <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 9:42 AM
Barrack, Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it will be wise if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had on
Malili.
Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create these agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms are good only when you point out where there are gaps.
The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only one person did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya kuchongoana tu. Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy proposals that I really think should push through then arouse sufficient interest from the membership here.
Ndemo.
This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this questions are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can someone provide us with a list of all agencies involved in ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do some tooth comb analysis, i saw a post from Paul on what the board has achieved early this year, that was very much in order we need something from NCS as well plus any other agencies.
Regards
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga <volunga@yahoo.com <http://us.mc452.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=volunga@yahoo.com> > wrote:
There is also another body , National Communications Secretarait. What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord and how do the two bodies relate with respect to advisory services to the governement on ICT matters?
Regards
Vitalis
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To: volunga@yahoo.com <http://us.mc452.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=volunga@yahoo.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://us.mc452.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet. or.ke>
Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 12:03:22 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
Hi, I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, Try reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to do anything and everything under the sun that could be called ICT which includes your microwave oven and copier. Functions of Kenya ICT Board The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the Kenya Gazette Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: . To advice the government on all relevant matters pertaining to development, coordination (remember the PM post) and promotion of ICT industries in the country. . Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities for investments in ICT technology . Facilitate and manage ICT industrial incubation parks and technology parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and land. . Partner with agents within and without the country to carry out such functions as it may consider necessary. . To transform and empower society through deployment and use of ICTs. . Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT products and services. Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G, yes you guessed it I still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi. Regards
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Hi, They are: 1. Gilda Odera (Chair) 2. Sammy Burachara 3. Nik Nesbitt 4. Victor Kyalo (Joint Secretary) 5. Peres Were (Joint Secretary) 6. Dickson Ogola (Secretariat) Headed by Sylvester Kasuku, Infrastructure Advisor at the OPM. The team is mandated to form committees (I prefer to call them working teams), to come up with the required strategies/advise/recommendations for various issues in the sector. These committees will be formed by persons from both private and public sector. Those with strengths in various capacities will be called upon to drive the committees. The committees are as wide/narrow as required. The team is to ensure that the silo way of operation is set aside through mechanisms to be put in place by way of actionable recommendations. Best, Gilda Quoting Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke>:
Hey Gilda,
Thanks a lot for these positive comments,
Apparently, I suppose we need to be exposed to all these good teams, being put up out there, so that we can interact, and all these good suggestions and comments presented..
Maybe for a starter, can you please unveil/unmask this "six" man/women team - so that we can know them..?
Harry
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of godera@skyweb.co.ke Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 11:39 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building
Listers,
I think this is a very healthy debate for the industry. Esther, whereas whatever body will face the same queries over their mandate, in my view, what is most important is that each respective body plays it part to the full and possibly even surpass the expectations of the industry. As long as they are all forging towards one goal (making Kenya the ICT Hub in Africa)in all their activities, the industry will have gained. What is important is that all these bodies do not fight each other, rather complement one another to grow this industry. We must all work together for good of this industry and nation.
Gilda Odera Chair, BPO/ITES Working Group at the Office of the Prime Minister
(For those not aware, a group of 6 persons from Private Sector and Government was recently put together for a two year term to advise on all these issues being raised in this list. Your views are being noted.)
Quoting Esther Muchiri <emuchiri@andestbites.com>:
Good suggestions Harry, but while I am not a pessimist, I have a feeling that with time, whatever body will be formed will still face the same attacks/questions from the industry on the mandate etc
Perhaps the upcoming public forum will begin to shed some light in the direction ICT development in Kenya should follow?
From: kictanet-bounces+emuchiri=andestbites.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+emuchiri=andestbites.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke ] On Behalf Of Harry Delano Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 6:21 PM To: emuchiri@andestbites.com Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building
Lilian,
This is so comprehensive.. Hope, notes are being taken from these resourceful discussions coming in.
Mine, is just a proposal. Clearly, the different agencies existing, happen to work within some form of
mandate in their own areas of jurisdiction or so, whether the mandates are competing mandates or
a duplication, it may be quite difficult to just "merge" them..
Clearly, Listers - one thing that is now clear, is that ICT is a huge phenomenon, that cuts' out across
the entire spectrum of Govt and ministries - beyond INFOCOM. This means, stakeholders from other
Govt. sectors need to be brought into the fold to harmonize strategy..
I suppose therefore, this may call for an oversight body - to which, each of the Govt agencies can have a
representation. This oversight, could encompass reps, from all sectors, private , and govt. All interests
should be declared as a pre-requisite to serving on this panel for purposes of accountability and
transparency..
If in order, I could float some names for such a body, such as:-
* National ICT Task Force - (NICTAF) * National ICT Agency of Kenya - (NICTAK) * National ICT Oversight Board -(NICTOB)
Other names are welcome..
Harry
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From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Lilian Karanja Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 11:43 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building
Yes, Robert.......I see.
Certainly, what GoK needs is ICT Governance. "Without governance you do not produce good decisions consistently. 'Governance' in the context of the management of ICT crafts a clear framework in which decisions are made, who makes the decisions about business and technology developments, who has input into the decision-making process and how the decisions are formed".
In my opinion, the ICT Board (under Min. Of Info Comm), the Directorate of e-Government (under OP), the GITS Department (under Min. Of Finance), and both the CCK and NCS (both under Min. Of Info Comm) seem to have related ICT goals and objectives. They (unfortunately) don't seem to oftenly collaborate in their decision-making. I personally like the idea of a KITA like SITA/RITA. Sometime ago, the Directorate of e-Government seemed to come-up into a KITA (in the way we think of SITA/RITA), but did not 'mature' into the institution envisioned.
GoK ICT Governance Decisions would ideally focus on:
. Determining the strategic approach to e-government and ICT within GoK
. How the e-government initiatives should be used in GoK, to improve services, reduce costs, develop the community, etc
. How fundamental e-government and ICT is to GoK and the country at large
. The way e-government and ICT is to be managed (e.g. by what mechanism and how resources are to be managed)
. The way investments are to be made and policies on realising and sharing benefits
. How the required skills are to be procured (through strategic partnerships, in-house, through consortium, etc)
. The principles that underlie the ICT architecture
. Setting priorities and determining e-government and ICT investment programmes
. Managing the foundations and regulations regarding the core elements of the infrastructure:
o Personnel - who will be responsible for their professional development and where certain skills should reside
o Methods and techniques - what project/programme management, development and operations management standards should be used
o Charging mechanisms and services standards (performance management)
o Information - standards to enable the effective sharing of information
o Core applications - intranet, finance systems, payroll, registries
personnel standards, etc
o Technical - network, consolidated service desk, data standards
o Security
o Legal
This has conspicuously missed within GoK, in the past years. We look to GoK greatly to spur 'mwananchi' by keenly committing to 'add value' to broadband so that their attitude, confidence and appreciation towards the use ICTs and the Internet increases (especially in the rural areas, as they access Government e-Services), thus creating an Internet Community and an IT culture. Am not sure we necessarily need support from outside to do this, even donor funds (we don't need). We can do it on our own, as we (Kenya) are, now, known to be an emerging knowledge economy. GoK can lead the way to create a Kenyan way 'working with'and using ICT. We have so many Youth (any way), who are jobless! Lets purposefully develop capacity of these young and use them sufficiently.
I rest my case, and I apologise for any misunderstandings.
LILIAN
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From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building To: "Lilian Karanja" <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 12:32 AM
Hi Lilian,
Just wanted to clarify an issue, government has some of the best trained ICT fellows and I know because I have regularly interacted with them for over 10 years. Do not be deceived by the fact that they are no fancy websites or iphone applications the men and women who keep the government systems running are basically miracle workers.
How they do it is beyond my comprehension and the last thin they need is a capacity building what they need like all with the other areas of government is a co-ordinator or a Deputy Prime Minister IS. Hon Raila has definitely moved government efficiency a notch higher and without a "dream team" or expatriate consultants all he did was dust off the diamonds within.
Government has a beautiful retention strategy which is we pay you for 2 hours a day and we expect you to only deliver the paid for work, if you are unable to find something profitable to do with the balance 6 hours then that is your problem.
What we need is a deputy prime minister information systems or ICT or BPO whatever the name of which KICTB has proven not to be to "desilo" (term coined by Dr. Ndemo during the PM Round table meeting) the government activities.
Can you government ICT gurus stick your heads out and defend your selves, I know many of you are on this listing, so be warned that next time I need to put the record strait on your behalf I will actually name names.
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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From: Lilian Karanja <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Mon, 5 April, 2010 16:58:41 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
Dear PS:
It is a little discouraging to hear you say that the issues discussed in this topic are 'kuchongoana tu'. We look up to you, and others in Government and also in the private sector who are so passionate about the use of ICTs and the Internet to create opportunities for all, in Kenya, and see that ICT remains a reliable vehicle for economic growth and development. So, please don't stop listening to us, patiently and we beseech you to continue in your wisdom in dealing with these matters.
This topic, 'Who is ICT Board?' as well as that of 'eGovernment is it a myth or reality?' have raised important questions that should be addressed with 'a big heart' and an open mind. As you have noted, a town hall meeting is good and always welcome. However, moving forward, it needs to be clear how ICT Board interacts with Government and how it promotes the existence of an Institutional Framework for ICT management in Government. Clearly, the ICT Board manages of a huge chunk of donor funds for ICT growth in Kenya, eGovernment and the likes (through the KTCIP), but still the Government lags behind in their ICT technical know-how and skills.
While one of their mandate (the ICT Board) is Capacity Building (Providing GoK and other stakeholders with skills, capacity and funding for anchor implementation of ICT projects for development) over time we have only seen laxity in the management of ICT by Government i.e. poor websites, unsatisfactory performance of legacy systems, inconsistent DNS & IP address management, meagre IT Security (web, network, etc), little or no R&D and M&E of ICT & eGovt, etc. But may be it is not deliberate laxity, it is that the Government Officers who manage IT issues in Government are not continuously trained in all
and pertinent areas to raise experts and skillful personnel.
I hope this is an area ICT Board can address, when they say that part of their mandate is Capacity Building, otherwise we have Government Officers who cannot do much to use broadband properly and strategically as well as make eGovernment a reality. The cabilities of these Officers should be close to, if not better than those in the private sector. And when GoK finally has real experts and engineers in ICT, a retention strategy MUST be adopted to keep them and recompense them accordingly. This is the future of Government IT, 'people who are
knowledgeable and focused on a bright future'.
LILIAN
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From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked To: "Lilian" <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 9:42 AM
Barrack, Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it will be wise if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had on
Malili.
Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create these agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms are good only when you point out where there are gaps.
The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only one person did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya kuchongoana tu. Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy proposals that I really think should push through then arouse sufficient interest from the membership here.
Ndemo.
This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this questions are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can someone provide us with a list of all agencies involved in ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do some tooth comb analysis, i saw a post from Paul on what the board has achieved early this year, that was very much in order we need something from NCS as well plus any other agencies.
Regards
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There is also another body , National Communications Secretarait. What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord and how do the two bodies relate with respect to advisory services to the governement on ICT matters?
Regards
Vitalis
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Hi, I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, Try reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to do anything and everything under the sun that could be called ICT which includes your microwave oven and copier. Functions of Kenya ICT Board The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the Kenya Gazette Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: . To advice the government on all relevant matters pertaining to development, coordination (remember the PM post) and promotion of ICT industries in the country. . Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities for investments in ICT technology . Facilitate and manage ICT industrial incubation parks and technology parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and land. . Partner with agents within and without the country to carry out such functions as it may consider necessary. . To transform and empower society through deployment and use of ICTs. . Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT products and services. Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G, yes you guessed it I still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi. Regards
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Thanks a lot, Gilda, for this feedback. Listers, I suppose the floor is open, to ask all the queries, on this [Taskforce], I suppose Gilda...? Especially on the mandate, and how to interact with it. I believe this could be one of the avenues offered to make voices heard, and drive agenda forward.. Views please.. Harry -----Original Message----- From: godera@skyweb.co.ke [mailto:godera@skyweb.co.ke] Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 4:32 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: RE: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building Hi, They are: 1. Gilda Odera (Chair) 2. Sammy Burachara 3. Nik Nesbitt 4. Victor Kyalo (Joint Secretary) 5. Peres Were (Joint Secretary) 6. Dickson Ogola (Secretariat) Headed by Sylvester Kasuku, Infrastructure Advisor at the OPM. The team is mandated to form committees (I prefer to call them working teams), to come up with the required strategies/advise/recommendations for various issues in the sector. These committees will be formed by persons from both private and public sector. Those with strengths in various capacities will be called upon to drive the committees. The committees are as wide/narrow as required. The team is to ensure that the silo way of operation is set aside through mechanisms to be put in place by way of actionable recommendations. Best, Gilda Quoting Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke>:
Hey Gilda,
Thanks a lot for these positive comments,
Apparently, I suppose we need to be exposed to all these good teams, being put up out there, so that we can interact, and all these good suggestions and comments presented..
Maybe for a starter, can you please unveil/unmask this "six" man/women team - so that we can know them..?
Harry
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Listers,
I think this is a very healthy debate for the industry. Esther, whereas whatever body will face the same queries over their mandate, in my view, what is most important is that each respective body plays it part to the full and possibly even surpass the expectations
of the industry.
As long as they are all forging towards one goal (making Kenya the ICT Hub in Africa)in all their activities, the industry will have gained. What is important is that all these bodies do not fight each other, rather complement one another to grow this industry. We must all work together for good of this industry and nation.
Gilda Odera Chair, BPO/ITES Working Group at the Office of the Prime Minister
(For those not aware, a group of 6 persons from Private Sector and Government was recently put together for a two year term to advise on all these issues being raised in this list. Your views are being noted.)
Quoting Esther Muchiri <emuchiri@andestbites.com>:
Good suggestions Harry, but while I am not a pessimist, I have a feeling that with time, whatever body will be formed will still face the same attacks/questions from the industry on the mandate etc
Perhaps the upcoming public forum will begin to shed some light in the direction ICT development in Kenya should follow?
From: kictanet-bounces+emuchiri=andestbites.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+emuchiri=andestbites.com@lists.kictanet.or. ke ] On Behalf Of Harry Delano Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 6:21 PM To: emuchiri@andestbites.com Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building
Lilian,
This is so comprehensive.. Hope, notes are being taken from these resourceful discussions coming in.
Mine, is just a proposal. Clearly, the different agencies existing, happen to work within some form of
mandate in their own areas of jurisdiction or so, whether the mandates are competing mandates or
a duplication, it may be quite difficult to just "merge" them..
Clearly, Listers - one thing that is now clear, is that ICT is a huge phenomenon, that cuts' out across
the entire spectrum of Govt and ministries - beyond INFOCOM. This means, stakeholders from other
Govt. sectors need to be brought into the fold to harmonize strategy..
I suppose therefore, this may call for an oversight body - to which, each of the Govt agencies can have a
representation. This oversight, could encompass reps, from all sectors, private , and govt. All interests
should be declared as a pre-requisite to serving on this panel for purposes of accountability and
transparency..
If in order, I could float some names for such a body, such as:-
* National ICT Task Force - (NICTAF) * National ICT Agency of Kenya - (NICTAK) * National ICT Oversight Board -(NICTOB)
Other names are welcome..
Harry
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From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Lilian Karanja Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 11:43 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building
Yes, Robert.......I see.
Certainly, what GoK needs is ICT Governance. "Without governance you do not produce good decisions consistently. 'Governance' in the context of the management of ICT crafts a clear framework in which decisions are made, who makes the decisions about business and technology developments, who has input into the decision-making process and how the decisions are formed".
In my opinion, the ICT Board (under Min. Of Info Comm), the Directorate of e-Government (under OP), the GITS Department (under Min. Of Finance), and both the CCK and NCS (both under Min. Of Info Comm) seem to have related ICT goals and objectives. They (unfortunately) don't seem to oftenly collaborate in their decision-making. I personally like the idea of a KITA like SITA/RITA. Sometime ago, the Directorate of e-Government seemed to come-up into a KITA (in the way we think of SITA/RITA), but did not 'mature' into the institution envisioned.
GoK ICT Governance Decisions would ideally focus on:
. Determining the strategic approach to e-government and ICT within GoK
. How the e-government initiatives should be used in GoK, to improve services, reduce costs, develop the community, etc
. How fundamental e-government and ICT is to GoK and the country at large
. The way e-government and ICT is to be managed (e.g. by what mechanism and how resources are to be managed)
. The way investments are to be made and policies on realising and sharing benefits
. How the required skills are to be procured (through strategic partnerships, in-house, through consortium, etc)
. The principles that underlie the ICT architecture
. Setting priorities and determining e-government and ICT investment programmes
. Managing the foundations and regulations regarding the core elements of the infrastructure:
o Personnel - who will be responsible for their professional development and where certain skills should reside
o Methods and techniques - what project/programme management, development and operations management standards should be used
o Charging mechanisms and services standards (performance management)
o Information - standards to enable the effective sharing of
information
o Core applications - intranet, finance systems, payroll, registries
personnel standards, etc
o Technical - network, consolidated service desk, data standards
o Security
o Legal
This has conspicuously missed within GoK, in the past years. We look to GoK greatly to spur 'mwananchi' by keenly committing to 'add value' to broadband so that their attitude, confidence and appreciation towards the use ICTs and the Internet increases (especially in the rural areas, as they access Government e-Services), thus creating an Internet Community and an IT culture. Am not sure we necessarily need support from outside to do this, even donor funds (we don't need). We can do it on our own, as we (Kenya) are, now, known to be an emerging knowledge economy. GoK can lead the way to create a Kenyan way 'working with'and using ICT. We have so many Youth (any way), who are jobless! Lets purposefully develop capacity of these young and use them sufficiently.
I rest my case, and I apologise for any misunderstandings.
LILIAN
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From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building To: "Lilian Karanja" <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 12:32 AM
Hi Lilian,
Just wanted to clarify an issue, government has some of the best trained ICT fellows and I know because I have regularly interacted with them for over 10 years. Do not be deceived by the fact that they are no fancy websites or iphone applications the men and women who keep the government systems running are basically miracle workers.
How they do it is beyond my comprehension and the last thin they need is a capacity building what they need like all with the other areas of government is a co-ordinator or a Deputy Prime Minister IS. Hon Raila has definitely moved government efficiency a notch higher and without a "dream team" or expatriate consultants all he did was dust off the diamonds within.
Government has a beautiful retention strategy which is we pay you for 2 hours a day and we expect you to only deliver the paid for work, if you are unable to find something profitable to do with the balance 6 hours then that is your problem.
What we need is a deputy prime minister information systems or ICT or BPO whatever the name of which KICTB has proven not to be to "desilo" (term coined by Dr. Ndemo during the PM Round table meeting) the government activities.
Can you government ICT gurus stick your heads out and defend your selves, I know many of you are on this listing, so be warned that next time I need to put the record strait on your behalf I will actually name names.
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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From: Lilian Karanja <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Mon, 5 April, 2010 16:58:41 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
Dear PS:
It is a little discouraging to hear you say that the issues discussed in this topic are 'kuchongoana tu'. We look up to you, and others in Government and also in the private sector who are so passionate about the use of ICTs and the Internet to create opportunities for all, in Kenya, and see that ICT remains a reliable vehicle for economic growth and development. So, please don't stop listening to us, patiently and we beseech you to continue in your wisdom in dealing with these matters.
This topic, 'Who is ICT Board?' as well as that of 'eGovernment is it a myth or reality?' have raised important questions that should be addressed with 'a big heart' and an open mind. As you have noted, a town hall meeting is good and always welcome. However, moving forward, it needs to be clear how ICT Board interacts with Government and how it promotes the existence of an Institutional Framework for ICT management in Government. Clearly, the ICT Board manages of a huge chunk of donor funds for ICT growth in Kenya, eGovernment and the likes (through the KTCIP), but still the Government lags behind in their ICT technical know-how and skills.
While one of their mandate (the ICT Board) is Capacity Building (Providing GoK and other stakeholders with skills, capacity and funding for anchor implementation of ICT projects for development) over time we have only seen laxity in the management of ICT by Government i.e. poor websites, unsatisfactory performance of legacy systems, inconsistent DNS & IP address management, meagre IT Security (web, network, etc), little or no R&D and M&E of ICT & eGovt, etc. But may be it is not deliberate laxity, it is that the Government Officers who manage IT issues in Government are not continuously trained in all
and pertinent areas to raise experts and skillful personnel.
I hope this is an area ICT Board can address, when they say that part of their mandate is Capacity Building, otherwise we have Government Officers who cannot do much to use broadband properly and strategically as well as make eGovernment a reality. The cabilities of these Officers should be close to, if not better than those in the private sector. And when GoK finally has real experts and engineers in ICT, a retention strategy MUST be adopted to keep them and recompense them accordingly. This is the future of Government IT, 'people who are
knowledgeable and focused on a bright future'.
LILIAN
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From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked To: "Lilian" <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 9:42 AM
Barrack, Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it will be wise if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had on
Malili.
Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create these agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms are good only when you point out where there are gaps.
The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only one person did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya kuchongoana tu. Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy proposals that I really think should push through then arouse sufficient interest from the membership here.
Ndemo.
This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this questions are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can someone provide us with a list of all agencies involved in ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do some tooth comb analysis, i saw a post from Paul on what the board has achieved early this year, that was very much in order we need something from NCS as well plus any other agencies.
Regards
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There is also another body , National Communications Secretarait. What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord and how do the two bodies relate with respect to advisory services to the governement on ICT matters?
Regards
Vitalis
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Hi, I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, Try reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to do anything and everything under the sun that could be called ICT which includes your microwave oven and copier. Functions of Kenya ICT Board The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the Kenya Gazette Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: . To advice the government on all relevant matters pertaining to development, coordination (remember the PM post) and promotion of ICT industries in the country. . Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities for investments in ICT technology . Facilitate and manage ICT industrial incubation parks and technology parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and land. . Partner with agents within and without the country to carry out such functions as it may consider necessary. . To transform and empower society through deployment and use of ICTs. . Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT products and services. Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G, yes you guessed it I still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi. Regards
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Correct Harry. Quoting Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke>:
Thanks a lot, Gilda, for this feedback.
Listers, I suppose the floor is open, to ask all the queries, on this [Taskforce], I suppose Gilda...?
Especially on the mandate, and how to interact with it. I believe this could be one of the avenues offered to make voices heard, and drive agenda forward..
Views please..
Harry
-----Original Message----- From: godera@skyweb.co.ke [mailto:godera@skyweb.co.ke] Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 4:32 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: RE: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building
Hi,
They are:
1. Gilda Odera (Chair) 2. Sammy Burachara 3. Nik Nesbitt 4. Victor Kyalo (Joint Secretary) 5. Peres Were (Joint Secretary) 6. Dickson Ogola (Secretariat) Headed by Sylvester Kasuku, Infrastructure Advisor at the OPM.
The team is mandated to form committees (I prefer to call them working teams), to come up with the required strategies/advise/recommendations for various issues in the sector. These committees will be formed by persons from both private and public sector. Those with strengths in various capacities will be called upon to drive the committees. The committees are as wide/narrow as required. The team is to ensure that the silo way of operation is set aside through mechanisms to be put in place by way of actionable recommendations.
Best,
Gilda
Quoting Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke>:
Hey Gilda,
Thanks a lot for these positive comments,
Apparently, I suppose we need to be exposed to all these good teams, being put up out there, so that we can interact, and all these good suggestions and comments presented..
Maybe for a starter, can you please unveil/unmask this "six" man/women team - so that we can know them..?
Harry
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of godera@skyweb.co.ke Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 11:39 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building
Listers,
I think this is a very healthy debate for the industry. Esther, whereas whatever body will face the same queries over their mandate, in my view, what is most important is that each respective body plays it part to the full and possibly even surpass the expectations
of the industry.
As long as they are all forging towards one goal (making Kenya the ICT Hub in Africa)in all their activities, the industry will have gained. What is important is that all these bodies do not fight each other, rather complement one another to grow this industry. We must all work together for good of this industry and nation.
Gilda Odera Chair, BPO/ITES Working Group at the Office of the Prime Minister
(For those not aware, a group of 6 persons from Private Sector and Government was recently put together for a two year term to advise on all these issues being raised in this list. Your views are being noted.)
Quoting Esther Muchiri <emuchiri@andestbites.com>:
Good suggestions Harry, but while I am not a pessimist, I have a feeling that with time, whatever body will be formed will still face the same attacks/questions from the industry on the mandate etc
Perhaps the upcoming public forum will begin to shed some light in the direction ICT development in Kenya should follow?
From: kictanet-bounces+emuchiri=andestbites.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+emuchiri=andestbites.com@lists.kictanet.or. ke ] On Behalf Of Harry Delano Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 6:21 PM To: emuchiri@andestbites.com Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building
Lilian,
This is so comprehensive.. Hope, notes are being taken from these resourceful discussions coming in.
Mine, is just a proposal. Clearly, the different agencies existing, happen to work within some form of
mandate in their own areas of jurisdiction or so, whether the mandates are competing mandates or
a duplication, it may be quite difficult to just "merge" them..
Clearly, Listers - one thing that is now clear, is that ICT is a huge phenomenon, that cuts' out across
the entire spectrum of Govt and ministries - beyond INFOCOM. This means, stakeholders from other
Govt. sectors need to be brought into the fold to harmonize strategy..
I suppose therefore, this may call for an oversight body - to which, each of the Govt agencies can have a
representation. This oversight, could encompass reps, from all sectors, private , and govt. All interests
should be declared as a pre-requisite to serving on this panel for purposes of accountability and
transparency..
If in order, I could float some names for such a body, such as:-
* National ICT Task Force - (NICTAF) * National ICT Agency of Kenya - (NICTAK) * National ICT Oversight Board -(NICTOB)
Other names are welcome..
Harry
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From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Lilian Karanja Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 11:43 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building
Yes, Robert.......I see.
Certainly, what GoK needs is ICT Governance. "Without governance you do not produce good decisions consistently. 'Governance' in the context of the management of ICT crafts a clear framework in which decisions are made, who makes the decisions about business and technology developments, who has input into the decision-making process and how the decisions are formed".
In my opinion, the ICT Board (under Min. Of Info Comm), the Directorate of e-Government (under OP), the GITS Department (under Min. Of Finance), and both the CCK and NCS (both under Min. Of Info Comm) seem to have related ICT goals and objectives. They (unfortunately) don't seem to oftenly collaborate in their decision-making. I personally like the idea of a KITA like SITA/RITA. Sometime ago, the Directorate of e-Government seemed to come-up into a KITA (in the way we think of SITA/RITA), but did not 'mature' into the institution envisioned.
GoK ICT Governance Decisions would ideally focus on:
. Determining the strategic approach to e-government and ICT within GoK
. How the e-government initiatives should be used in GoK, to improve services, reduce costs, develop the community, etc
. How fundamental e-government and ICT is to GoK and the country at large
. The way e-government and ICT is to be managed (e.g. by what mechanism and how resources are to be managed)
. The way investments are to be made and policies on realising and sharing benefits
. How the required skills are to be procured (through strategic partnerships, in-house, through consortium, etc)
. The principles that underlie the ICT architecture
. Setting priorities and determining e-government and ICT investment programmes
. Managing the foundations and regulations regarding the core elements of the infrastructure:
o Personnel - who will be responsible for their professional development and where certain skills should reside
o Methods and techniques - what project/programme management, development and operations management standards should be used
o Charging mechanisms and services standards (performance management)
o Information - standards to enable the effective sharing of
information
o Core applications - intranet, finance systems, payroll, registries
personnel standards, etc
o Technical - network, consolidated service desk, data standards
o Security
o Legal
This has conspicuously missed within GoK, in the past years. We look to GoK greatly to spur 'mwananchi' by keenly committing to 'add value' to broadband so that their attitude, confidence and appreciation towards the use ICTs and the Internet increases (especially in the rural areas, as they access Government e-Services), thus creating an Internet Community and an IT culture. Am not sure we necessarily need support from outside to do this, even donor funds (we don't need). We can do it on our own, as we (Kenya) are, now, known to be an emerging knowledge economy. GoK can lead the way to create a Kenyan way 'working with'and using ICT. We have so many Youth (any way), who are jobless! Lets purposefully develop capacity of these young and use them sufficiently.
I rest my case, and I apologise for any misunderstandings.
LILIAN
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From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building To: "Lilian Karanja" <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 12:32 AM
Hi Lilian,
Just wanted to clarify an issue, government has some of the best trained ICT fellows and I know because I have regularly interacted with them for over 10 years. Do not be deceived by the fact that they are no fancy websites or iphone applications the men and women who keep the government systems running are basically miracle workers.
How they do it is beyond my comprehension and the last thin they need is a capacity building what they need like all with the other areas of government is a co-ordinator or a Deputy Prime Minister IS. Hon Raila has definitely moved government efficiency a notch higher and without a "dream team" or expatriate consultants all he did was dust off the diamonds within.
Government has a beautiful retention strategy which is we pay you for 2 hours a day and we expect you to only deliver the paid for work, if you are unable to find something profitable to do with the balance 6 hours then that is your problem.
What we need is a deputy prime minister information systems or ICT or BPO whatever the name of which KICTB has proven not to be to "desilo" (term coined by Dr. Ndemo during the PM Round table meeting) the government activities.
Can you government ICT gurus stick your heads out and defend your selves, I know many of you are on this listing, so be warned that next time I need to put the record strait on your behalf I will actually name names.
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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From: Lilian Karanja <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Mon, 5 April, 2010 16:58:41 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
Dear PS:
It is a little discouraging to hear you say that the issues discussed in this topic are 'kuchongoana tu'. We look up to you, and others in Government and also in the private sector who are so passionate about the use of ICTs and the Internet to create opportunities for all, in Kenya, and see that ICT remains a reliable vehicle for economic growth and development. So, please don't stop listening to us, patiently and we beseech you to continue in your wisdom in dealing with these matters.
This topic, 'Who is ICT Board?' as well as that of 'eGovernment is it a myth or reality?' have raised important questions that should be addressed with 'a big heart' and an open mind. As you have noted, a town hall meeting is good and always welcome. However, moving forward, it needs to be clear how ICT Board interacts with Government and how it promotes the existence of an Institutional Framework for ICT management in Government. Clearly, the ICT Board manages of a huge chunk of donor funds for ICT growth in Kenya, eGovernment and the likes (through the KTCIP), but still the Government lags behind in their ICT technical know-how and skills.
While one of their mandate (the ICT Board) is Capacity Building (Providing GoK and other stakeholders with skills, capacity and funding for anchor implementation of ICT projects for development) over time we have only seen laxity in the management of ICT by Government i.e. poor websites, unsatisfactory performance of legacy systems, inconsistent DNS & IP address management, meagre IT Security (web, network, etc), little or no R&D and M&E of ICT & eGovt, etc. But may be it is not deliberate laxity, it is that the Government Officers who manage IT issues in Government are not continuously trained in all
and pertinent areas to raise experts and skillful personnel.
I hope this is an area ICT Board can address, when they say that part of their mandate is Capacity Building, otherwise we have Government Officers who cannot do much to use broadband properly and strategically as well as make eGovernment a reality. The cabilities of these Officers should be close to, if not better than those in the private sector. And when GoK finally has real experts and engineers in ICT, a retention strategy MUST be adopted to keep them and recompense them accordingly. This is the future of Government IT, 'people who are
knowledgeable and focused on a bright future'.
LILIAN
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From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked To: "Lilian" <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 9:42 AM
Barrack, Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it will be wise if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had on
Malili.
Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create these agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms are good only when you point out where there are gaps.
The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only one person did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya kuchongoana tu. Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy proposals that I really think should push through then arouse sufficient interest from the membership here.
Ndemo.
This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this questions are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can someone provide us with a list of all agencies involved in ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do some tooth comb analysis, i saw a post from Paul on what the board has achieved early this year, that was very much in order we need something from NCS as well plus any other agencies.
Regards
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There is also another body , National Communications Secretarait. What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord and how do the two bodies relate with respect to advisory services to the governement on ICT matters?
Regards
Vitalis
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Hi, I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, Try reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to do anything and everything under the sun that could be called ICT which includes your microwave oven and copier. Functions of Kenya ICT Board The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the Kenya Gazette Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: . To advice the government on all relevant matters pertaining to development, coordination (remember the PM post) and promotion of ICT industries in the country. . Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities for investments in ICT technology . Facilitate and manage ICT industrial incubation parks and technology parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and land. . Partner with agents within and without the country to carry out such functions as it may consider necessary. . To transform and empower society through deployment and use of ICTs. . Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT products and services. Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G, yes you guessed it I still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi. Regards
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Thanks Gilda, If you'd allow me, then let me kindly ask some direct questions on your taskforce.. Have you a name for the Taskforce..? What is the mandate of this Taskforce and who is it accountable to...? What are it's objectives, on the wider ICT Landscape, and it's goals..? How is participation on the TF arrived at...? How can the larger community of stakeholders in the industry interact more with it...? Regards, Harry -----Original Message----- From: godera@skyweb.co.ke [mailto:godera@skyweb.co.ke] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 1:54 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: RE: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building Correct Harry. Quoting Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke>:
Thanks a lot, Gilda, for this feedback.
Listers, I suppose the floor is open, to ask all the queries, on this [Taskforce], I suppose Gilda...?
Especially on the mandate, and how to interact with it. I believe this could be one of the avenues offered to make voices heard, and drive agenda forward..
Views please..
Harry
-----Original Message----- From: godera@skyweb.co.ke [mailto:godera@skyweb.co.ke] Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 4:32 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: RE: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building
Hi,
They are:
1. Gilda Odera (Chair) 2. Sammy Burachara 3. Nik Nesbitt 4. Victor Kyalo (Joint Secretary) 5. Peres Were (Joint Secretary) 6. Dickson Ogola (Secretariat) Headed by Sylvester Kasuku, Infrastructure Advisor at the OPM.
The team is mandated to form committees (I prefer to call them working teams), to come up with the required strategies/advise/recommendations for various issues in the sector. These committees will be formed by persons from both private and public sector. Those with strengths in various capacities will be called upon to drive the committees. The committees are as wide/narrow as required. The team is to ensure that the silo way of operation is set aside through mechanisms to be put in place by way of actionable
recommendations.
Best,
Gilda
Quoting Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke>:
Hey Gilda,
Thanks a lot for these positive comments,
Apparently, I suppose we need to be exposed to all these good teams, being put up out there, so that we can interact, and all these good suggestions and comments presented..
Maybe for a starter, can you please unveil/unmask this "six" man/women team - so that we can know them..?
Harry
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of godera@skyweb.co.ke Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 11:39 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building
Listers,
I think this is a very healthy debate for the industry. Esther, whereas whatever body will face the same queries over their mandate, in my view, what is most important is that each respective body plays it part to the full and possibly even surpass the expectations
of the industry.
As long as they are all forging towards one goal (making Kenya the ICT Hub in Africa)in all their activities, the industry will have
gained.
What is important is that all these bodies do not fight each other, rather complement one another to grow this industry. We must all work together for good of this industry and nation.
Gilda Odera Chair, BPO/ITES Working Group at the Office of the Prime Minister
(For those not aware, a group of 6 persons from Private Sector and Government was recently put together for a two year term to advise on all these issues being raised in this list. Your views are being noted.)
Quoting Esther Muchiri <emuchiri@andestbites.com>:
Good suggestions Harry, but while I am not a pessimist, I have a feeling that with time, whatever body will be formed will still face the same attacks/questions from the industry on the mandate etc
Perhaps the upcoming public forum will begin to shed some light in the direction ICT development in Kenya should follow?
From: kictanet-bounces+emuchiri=andestbites.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+emuchiri=andestbites.com@lists.kictanet.or. ke ] On Behalf Of Harry Delano Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 6:21 PM To: emuchiri@andestbites.com Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building
Lilian,
This is so comprehensive.. Hope, notes are being taken from these resourceful discussions coming in.
Mine, is just a proposal. Clearly, the different agencies existing, happen to work within some form of
mandate in their own areas of jurisdiction or so, whether the mandates are competing mandates or
a duplication, it may be quite difficult to just "merge" them..
Clearly, Listers - one thing that is now clear, is that ICT is a huge phenomenon, that cuts' out across
the entire spectrum of Govt and ministries - beyond INFOCOM. This means, stakeholders from other
Govt. sectors need to be brought into the fold to harmonize strategy..
I suppose therefore, this may call for an oversight body - to which, each of the Govt agencies can have a
representation. This oversight, could encompass reps, from all sectors, private , and govt. All interests
should be declared as a pre-requisite to serving on this panel for purposes of accountability and
transparency..
If in order, I could float some names for such a body, such as:-
* National ICT Task Force - (NICTAF) * National ICT Agency of Kenya - (NICTAK) * National ICT Oversight Board -(NICTOB)
Other names are welcome..
Harry
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From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.k e] On Behalf Of Lilian Karanja Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 11:43 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building
Yes, Robert.......I see.
Certainly, what GoK needs is ICT Governance. "Without governance you do not produce good decisions consistently. 'Governance' in the context of the management of ICT crafts a clear framework in which decisions are made, who makes the decisions about business and technology developments, who has input into the decision-making process and how the decisions are formed".
In my opinion, the ICT Board (under Min. Of Info Comm), the Directorate of e-Government (under OP), the GITS Department (under Min. Of Finance), and both the CCK and NCS (both under Min. Of Info Comm) seem to have related ICT goals and objectives. They (unfortunately) don't seem to oftenly collaborate in their decision-making. I personally like the idea of a KITA like SITA/RITA. Sometime ago, the Directorate of e-Government seemed to come-up into a KITA (in the way we think of SITA/RITA), but did not 'mature' into the institution envisioned.
GoK ICT Governance Decisions would ideally focus on:
. Determining the strategic approach to e-government and ICT within GoK
. How the e-government initiatives should be used in GoK, to improve services, reduce costs, develop the community, etc
. How fundamental e-government and ICT is to GoK and the country at large
. The way e-government and ICT is to be managed (e.g. by what mechanism and how resources are to be managed)
. The way investments are to be made and policies on realising and sharing benefits
. How the required skills are to be procured (through strategic partnerships, in-house, through consortium, etc)
. The principles that underlie the ICT architecture
. Setting priorities and determining e-government and ICT investment programmes
. Managing the foundations and regulations regarding the core elements of the infrastructure:
o Personnel - who will be responsible for their professional development and where certain skills should reside
o Methods and techniques - what project/programme management, development and operations management standards should be used
o Charging mechanisms and services standards (performance management)
o Information - standards to enable the effective sharing of
information
o Core applications - intranet, finance systems, payroll,
personnel standards, etc
o Technical - network, consolidated service desk, data standards
o Security
o Legal
This has conspicuously missed within GoK, in the past years. We look to GoK greatly to spur 'mwananchi' by keenly committing to 'add value' to broadband so that their attitude, confidence and appreciation towards the use ICTs and the Internet increases (especially in the rural areas, as they access Government e-Services), thus creating an Internet Community and an IT culture. Am not sure we necessarily need support from outside to do this, even donor funds (we don't need). We can do it on our own, as we (Kenya) are, now, known to be an emerging knowledge economy. GoK can lead the way to create a Kenyan way 'working with'and using ICT. We have so many Youth (any way), who are jobless! Lets purposefully develop capacity of these young and use them sufficiently.
I rest my case, and I apologise for any misunderstandings.
LILIAN
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From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building To: "Lilian Karanja" <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 12:32 AM
Hi Lilian,
Just wanted to clarify an issue, government has some of the best trained ICT fellows and I know because I have regularly interacted with them for over 10 years. Do not be deceived by the fact that they are no fancy websites or iphone applications the men and women who keep the government systems running are basically miracle workers.
How they do it is beyond my comprehension and the last thin they need is a capacity building what they need like all with the other areas of government is a co-ordinator or a Deputy Prime Minister IS. Hon Raila has definitely moved government efficiency a notch higher and without a "dream team" or expatriate consultants all he did was dust off the diamonds within.
Government has a beautiful retention strategy which is we pay you for 2 hours a day and we expect you to only deliver the paid for work, if you are unable to find something profitable to do with the balance 6 hours then that is your problem.
What we need is a deputy prime minister information systems or ICT or BPO whatever the name of which KICTB has proven not to be to "desilo" (term coined by Dr. Ndemo during the PM Round table meeting) the government activities.
Can you government ICT gurus stick your heads out and defend your selves, I know many of you are on this listing, so be warned that next time I need to put the record strait on your behalf I will actually name names.
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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From: Lilian Karanja <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Mon, 5 April, 2010 16:58:41 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
Dear PS:
It is a little discouraging to hear you say that the issues discussed in this topic are 'kuchongoana tu'. We look up to you, and others in Government and also in the private sector who are so passionate about the use of ICTs and the Internet to create opportunities for all, in Kenya, and see that ICT remains a reliable vehicle for economic growth and development. So, please don't stop listening to us, patiently and we beseech you to continue in your wisdom in dealing with these matters.
This topic, 'Who is ICT Board?' as well as that of 'eGovernment is it a myth or reality?' have raised important questions that should be addressed with 'a big heart' and an open mind. As you have noted, a town hall meeting is good and always welcome. However, moving forward, it needs to be clear how ICT Board interacts with Government and how it promotes the existence of an Institutional Framework for ICT management in Government. Clearly, the ICT Board manages of a huge chunk of donor funds for ICT growth in Kenya, eGovernment and the likes (through the KTCIP), but still the Government lags behind in their ICT technical know-how and skills.
While one of their mandate (the ICT Board) is Capacity Building (Providing GoK and other stakeholders with skills, capacity and funding for anchor implementation of ICT projects for development) over time we have only seen laxity in the management of ICT by Government i.e. poor websites, unsatisfactory performance of legacy systems, inconsistent DNS & IP address management, meagre IT Security (web, network, etc), little or no R&D and M&E of ICT & eGovt, etc. But may be it is not deliberate laxity, it is that the Government Officers who manage IT issues in Government are not continuously trained in all
registries and pertinent areas to raise experts and skillful personnel.
I hope this is an area ICT Board can address, when they say that part of their mandate is Capacity Building, otherwise we have Government Officers who cannot do much to use broadband properly and strategically as well as make eGovernment a reality. The cabilities of these Officers should be close to, if not better than those in the private sector. And when GoK finally has real experts and engineers in ICT, a retention strategy MUST be adopted to keep them and recompense them accordingly. This is the future of Government IT, 'people who are
knowledgeable and focused on a bright future'.
LILIAN
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From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked To: "Lilian" <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 9:42 AM
Barrack, Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it will be wise if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had on
Malili.
Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create these agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms are good only when you point out where there are gaps.
The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only one person did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya kuchongoana tu. Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy proposals that I really think should push through then arouse sufficient interest from the membership here.
Ndemo.
This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this questions are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can someone provide us with a list of all agencies involved in ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do some tooth comb analysis, i saw a post from Paul on what the board has achieved early this year, that was very much in order we need something from NCS as well plus any other agencies.
Regards
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga <volunga@yahoo.com <http://us.mc452.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=volunga@yahoo.com> > wrote:
There is also another body , National Communications Secretarait. What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord and how do the two bodies relate with respect to advisory services to the governement on ICT matters?
Regards
Vitalis
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Hi, I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, Try reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to do anything and everything under the sun that could be called ICT which includes your microwave oven and copier. Functions of Kenya ICT Board The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the Kenya Gazette Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007: . To advice the government on all relevant matters pertaining to development, coordination (remember the PM post) and promotion of ICT industries in the country. . Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities for investments in ICT technology . Facilitate and manage ICT industrial incubation parks and technology parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and land. . Partner with agents within and without the country to carry out such functions as it may consider necessary. . To transform and empower society through deployment and use of ICTs. . Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT products and services. Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G, yes you guessed it I still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi. Regards
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Dear Lilian, There is a tendency in Kenya to dislike whatever that in place. Indeed you can advance an hypothesis that Kenyans are averse to systems. We replace a costitution that has worked for 50 years with some experimental one. SITA or RITA or whatever you want to call it. Kenyans will still complain none of that system is like IDA of Singapore. Yet ICT Board is fashioned around IDA. If we focus on economic expansion we can actually do it even with the Ethiopian framework. See what China has done with free market fundermentaks using a communist manifesto. Three years ago we heaped our none performance on lack of infrastructure. Today we say we cannot progress without structure. Let us truely be honest with ourselves. We have a problem. How come every foreigner I meet sees only opportunities in Kenya? Just a thought. Ndemo Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Lilian Karanja <l_wkaranja@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 01:43:26 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: {Disarmed} Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: bitange@jambo.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke
The laying of the sysytems is a sure way of taking us there. We can't just talk about models if at all there are no set fframworks. Experimentals do not go far if there is no fall back plan. Sincerity here is the key. Shifting goal posts will make us the ugly duckling if we are unsure of what we really need to achieve. Capacity building goes beyond the dichotomy of giving people skills but what are yher skills meant for either economically, social development, economic creation etc. On 06/04/2010, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Dear Lilian, There is a tendency in Kenya to dislike whatever that in place. Indeed you can advance an hypothesis that Kenyans are averse to systems. We replace a costitution that has worked for 50 years with some experimental one.
SITA or RITA or whatever you want to call it. Kenyans will still complain none of that system is like IDA of Singapore. Yet ICT Board is fashioned around IDA. If we focus on economic expansion we can actually do it even with the Ethiopian framework. See what China has done with free market fundermentaks using a communist manifesto.
Three years ago we heaped our none performance on lack of infrastructure. Today we say we cannot progress without structure. Let us truely be honest with ourselves. We have a problem. How come every foreigner I meet sees only opportunities in Kenya?
Just a thought.
Ndemo Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Barrack Otieno -
bitange＠jambo.co.ke -
Emmanuel Khisa -
Esther Muchiri -
godera＠skyweb.co.ke -
Harry Delano -
ikua＠lpakenya.org -
John Sergon -
Kamotho Njenga -
Lilian Karanja -
Mwololo Tim -
Odhiambo Washington -
Paul Kukubo -
robert yawe -
Solomon Mburu Kamau -
Vitalis Olunga -
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