Telecoms regulator seeks powers to spy on consumers - Another case of Silly Season or should we be concerned?
Listers Apologies for cross-posting. Kenya’s telecommunication sector regulator is seeking fresh powers to spy on consumers that could see users of voice and data services lose their privacy to State and security agencies without their knowledge. Read on:- http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Telecoms-regulator-seeks-f... Ali Hussein +254 770 906375 / 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad
Oddly enough the article cites "quality assurance" as the reason for monitoring subscriber data. Perhaps we need more information before a reasonable conclusion can be reached? -- Mark. On 20 Nov 2014, at 04:01, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <[email protected]> wrote:
Listers
Apologies for cross-posting.
Kenya’s telecommunication sector regulator is seeking fresh powers to spy on consumers that could see users of voice and data services lose their privacy to State and security agencies without their knowledge.
Read on:-
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Telecoms-regulator-seeks-f...
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@Ali, Funny, I have not come across these proposed regulations - and I often consider myself to take more than a "pedestrian" interest in this sector. I have also checked the regulators site but dont see the specific proposals @ http://www.ca.go.ke/index.php/public-consultations Anyone with a copy of the contentious proposals? KBy the way, KICTAnet has a list of about 750 ICT individuals of diverse interest groups(Academia, Media, Technical, Operator, Consumer,etc). One begins to wonder if it is by design or otherwise, that the regulator, the ministry and other government agencies have in recent times conveniently chose to ignore sending (FREE) alerts on this forum. Put differently, there must be "other" ICT stakeholders government is engaging and we may need to be told so that we also "vuka"/go there accordingly :-). walu. -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 11/20/14, Ali Hussein via isoc <[email protected]> wrote: Subject: [isoc_ke] Telecoms regulator seeks powers to spy on consumers - Another case of Silly Season or should we be concerned? To: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <[email protected]>, [email protected] Date: Thursday, November 20, 2014, 4:00 AM ListersApologies for cross-posting.Kenya’s telecommunication sector regulator is seeking fresh powers to spy on consumers that could see users of voice and data services lose their privacy to State and security agencies without their knowledge.Read on:-http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Telecoms-regulator-seeks-f... Hussein +254 770 906375 / 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassimSkype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassimBlog: www.alyhussein.com "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ isoc mailing list [email protected] http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc
@Walu That's why I asked whether its another case of Silly Season..:) On the issue of engagement on the list I don't think I need to add more. In fact I have on good authority that most of the stakeholders in government are on the list. What I can see is that maybe just may be the...the guys who do this sort of thing need to be empowered within certain parameters. Ali Hussein +254 770 906375 / 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad
On Nov 20, 2014, at 8:53 AM, Walubengo J <[email protected]> wrote:
@Ali,
Funny, I have not come across these proposed regulations - and I often consider myself to take more than a "pedestrian" interest in this sector. I have also checked the regulators site but dont see the specific proposals
@ http://www.ca.go.ke/index.php/public-consultations
Anyone with a copy of the contentious proposals?
KBy the way, KICTAnet has a list of about 750 ICT individuals of diverse interest groups(Academia, Media, Technical, Operator, Consumer,etc). One begins to wonder if it is by design or otherwise, that the regulator, the ministry and other government agencies have in recent times conveniently chose to ignore sending (FREE) alerts on this forum.
Put differently, there must be "other" ICT stakeholders government is engaging and we may need to be told so that we also "vuka"/go there accordingly :-).
walu.
-------------------------------------------- On Thu, 11/20/14, Ali Hussein via isoc <[email protected]> wrote:
Subject: [isoc_ke] Telecoms regulator seeks powers to spy on consumers - Another case of Silly Season or should we be concerned? To: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <[email protected]>, [email protected] Date: Thursday, November 20, 2014, 4:00 AM
ListersApologies for cross-posting.Kenya’s telecommunication sector regulator is seeking fresh powers to spy on consumers that could see users of voice and data services lose their privacy to State and security agencies without their knowledge.Read on:-http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Telecoms-regulator-seeks-f... Hussein +254 770 906375 / 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassimSkype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassimBlog: www.alyhussein.com
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Anyone with a copy of the proposals? Victor On 20 Nov 2014 13:10, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < [email protected]> wrote:
@Walu
That's why I asked whether its another case of Silly Season..:)
On the issue of engagement on the list I don't think I need to add more. In fact I have on good authority that most of the stakeholders in government are on the list. What I can see is that maybe just may be the...the guys who do this sort of thing need to be empowered within certain parameters.
*Ali Hussein*
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On Nov 20, 2014, at 8:53 AM, Walubengo J <[email protected]> wrote:
@Ali,
Funny, I have not come across these proposed regulations - and I often consider myself to take more than a "pedestrian" interest in this sector. I have also checked the regulators site but dont see the specific proposals
@ http://www.ca.go.ke/index.php/public-consultations
Anyone with a copy of the contentious proposals?
KBy the way, KICTAnet has a list of about 750 ICT individuals of diverse interest groups(Academia, Media, Technical, Operator, Consumer,etc). One begins to wonder if it is by design or otherwise, that the regulator, the ministry and other government agencies have in recent times conveniently chose to ignore sending (FREE) alerts on this forum.
Put differently, there must be "other" ICT stakeholders government is engaging and we may need to be told so that we also "vuka"/go there accordingly :-).
walu.
-------------------------------------------- On Thu, 11/20/14, Ali Hussein via isoc <[email protected]> wrote:
Subject: [isoc_ke] Telecoms regulator seeks powers to spy on consumers - Another case of Silly Season or should we be concerned? To: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <[email protected]>, [email protected] Date: Thursday, November 20, 2014, 4:00 AM
ListersApologies for cross-posting.Kenya's telecommunication sector regulator is seeking fresh powers to spy on consumers that could see users of voice and data services lose their privacy to State and security agencies without their knowledge.Read on:- http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Telecoms-regulator-seeks-f... Hussein +254 770 906375 / 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassimSkype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassimBlog: www.alyhussein.com
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There is high probability the author of the piece on Business Daily was referring to the proposed amendments here <http://ca.go.ke/index.php/public-consultations> to align CAK with KICA (Amendment) 2013. The public consultations are ongoing up to 15 Dec 2015. On 20 November 2014 14:23, Victor Kapiyo via isoc <[email protected]> wrote:
Anyone with a copy of the proposals?
Victor On 20 Nov 2014 13:10, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < [email protected]> wrote:
@Walu
That's why I asked whether its another case of Silly Season..:)
On the issue of engagement on the list I don't think I need to add more. In fact I have on good authority that most of the stakeholders in government are on the list. What I can see is that maybe just may be the...the guys who do this sort of thing need to be empowered within certain parameters.
*Ali Hussein*
+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
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"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein
Sent from my iPad
On Nov 20, 2014, at 8:53 AM, Walubengo J <[email protected]> wrote:
@Ali,
Funny, I have not come across these proposed regulations - and I often consider myself to take more than a "pedestrian" interest in this sector. I have also checked the regulators site but dont see the specific proposals
@ http://www.ca.go.ke/index.php/public-consultations
Anyone with a copy of the contentious proposals?
KBy the way, KICTAnet has a list of about 750 ICT individuals of diverse interest groups(Academia, Media, Technical, Operator, Consumer,etc). One begins to wonder if it is by design or otherwise, that the regulator, the ministry and other government agencies have in recent times conveniently chose to ignore sending (FREE) alerts on this forum.
Put differently, there must be "other" ICT stakeholders government is engaging and we may need to be told so that we also "vuka"/go there accordingly :-).
walu.
-------------------------------------------- On Thu, 11/20/14, Ali Hussein via isoc <[email protected]> wrote:
Subject: [isoc_ke] Telecoms regulator seeks powers to spy on consumers - Another case of Silly Season or should we be concerned? To: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <[email protected]>, [email protected] Date: Thursday, November 20, 2014, 4:00 AM
ListersApologies for cross-posting.Kenya’s telecommunication sector regulator is seeking fresh powers to spy on consumers that could see users of voice and data services lose their privacy to State and security agencies without their knowledge.Read on:- http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Telecoms-regulator-seeks-f... Hussein +254 770 906375 / 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassimSkype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassimBlog: www.alyhussein.com
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@Mose, I had already shared your link http://ca.go.ke/index.php/public-consultations there are many regulations under "consultations". But I am unable to get the specific one that best relates to the authors(Okuttah) article. The closest one seem to be the one under Compliance and Enforcement Regulations where the regulator can post inspectors to operators/licensees site...but that still doesnt fit the story @ http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Telecoms-regulator-seeks-f... Maybe @Okuttah who is onlist should just email us the document if government side is unable so that the rest of us can be discussing something solid. walu. -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 11/20/14, Mose Karanja via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote: Subject: Re: [kictanet] [isoc_ke] Telecoms regulator seeks powers to spy on consumers - Another case of Silly Season or should we be concerned? To: [email protected] Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, November 20, 2014, 3:26 PM There is high probability the author of the piece on Business Daily was referring to the proposed amendments here to align CAK with KICA (Amendment) 2013. The public consultations are ongoing up to 15 Dec 2015. On 20 November 2014 14:23, Victor Kapiyo via isoc <[email protected]> wrote: Anyone with a copy of the proposals? Victor On 20 Nov 2014 13:10, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <[email protected]> wrote: @Walu That's why I asked whether its another case of Silly Season..:) On the issue of engagement on the list I don't think I need to add more. In fact I have on good authority that most of the stakeholders in government are on the list. What I can see is that maybe just may be the...the guys who do this sort of thing need to be empowered within certain parameters. Ali Hussein +254 770 906375 / 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassimSkype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassimBlog: www.alyhussein.com "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad On Nov 20, 2014, at 8:53 AM, Walubengo J <[email protected]> wrote: @Ali, Funny, I have not come across these proposed regulations - and I often consider myself to take more than a "pedestrian" interest in this sector. I have also checked the regulators site but dont see the specific proposals @ http://www.ca.go.ke/index.php/public-consultations Anyone with a copy of the contentious proposals? KBy the way, KICTAnet has a list of about 750 ICT individuals of diverse interest groups(Academia, Media, Technical, Operator, Consumer,etc). One begins to wonder if it is by design or otherwise, that the regulator, the ministry and other government agencies have in recent times conveniently chose to ignore sending (FREE) alerts on this forum. Put differently, there must be "other" ICT stakeholders government is engaging and we may need to be told so that we also "vuka"/go there accordingly :-). walu. -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 11/20/14, Ali Hussein via isoc <[email protected]> wrote: Subject: [isoc_ke] Telecoms regulator seeks powers to spy on consumers - Another case of Silly Season or should we be concerned? To: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <[email protected]>, [email protected] Date: Thursday, November 20, 2014, 4:00 AM ListersApologies for cross-posting.Kenya’s telecommunication sector regulator is seeking fresh powers to spy on consumers that could see users of voice and data services lose their privacy to State and security agencies without their knowledge.Read on:-http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Telecoms-regulator-seeks-f... Hussein +254 770 906375 / 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassimSkype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassimBlog: www.alyhussein.com "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ isoc mailing list [email protected] http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/vkapiyo%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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Check the following clauses in the Draft Compliance and Enforcement Regulations part on the link. (3) An inspector may at all reasonable times enter into any premises owned or controlled by a licensee in which the inspector has reasonable grounds to believe that has any document, information, or apparatus relevant for ensuring compliance withthe Act or these Regulations and to examine such document, information or apparatus or remove the document, information or apparatus for examination or reproduction as the case may be. (4) Where an inspector has reason to believe that there is any communication equipment or interference causing apparatus, he may examine such equipment, apparatus, logs, books, reports, data, records, documents or other papers and remove such information, document, apparatus, or equipment for examination or reproduction. On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Walubengo J <[email protected]> wrote:
@Mose, I had already shared your link http://ca.go.ke/index.php/public-consultations there are many regulations under "consultations". But I am unable to get the specific one that best relates to the authors(Okuttah) article. The closest one seem to be the one under Compliance and Enforcement Regulations where the regulator can post inspectors to operators/licensees site...but that still doesnt fit the story @ http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Telecoms-regulator-seeks-f... Maybe @Okuttah who is onlist should just email us the document if government side is unable so that the rest of us can be discussing something solid. walu. -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 11/20/14, Mose Karanja via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote: Subject: Re: [kictanet] [isoc_ke] Telecoms regulator seeks powers to spy on consumers - Another case of Silly Season or should we be concerned? To: [email protected] Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, November 20, 2014, 3:26 PM
There is high probability the author of the piece on Business Daily was referring to the proposed amendments here to align CAK with KICA (Amendment) 2013. The public consultations are ongoing up to 15 Dec 2015. On 20 November 2014 14:23, Victor Kapiyo via isoc <[email protected]> wrote: Anyone with a copy of the proposals? Victor On 20 Nov 2014 13:10, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <[email protected]> wrote: @Walu That's why I asked whether its another case of Silly Season..:) On the issue of engagement on the list I don't think I need to add more. In fact I have on good authority that most of the stakeholders in government are on the list. What I can see is that maybe just may be the...the guys who do this sort of thing need to be empowered within certain parameters.
Ali Hussein +254 770 906375 / 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassimSkype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassimBlog: www.alyhussein.com
"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad On Nov 20, 2014, at 8:53 AM, Walubengo J <[email protected]> wrote:
@Ali,
Funny, I have not come across these proposed regulations - and I often consider myself to take more than a "pedestrian" interest in this sector. I have also checked the regulators site but dont see the specific proposals
@ http://www.ca.go.ke/index.php/public-consultations
Anyone with a copy of the contentious proposals?
KBy the way, KICTAnet has a list of about 750 ICT individuals of diverse interest groups(Academia, Media, Technical, Operator, Consumer,etc). One begins to wonder if it is by design or otherwise, that the regulator, the ministry and other government agencies have in recent times conveniently chose to ignore sending (FREE) alerts on this forum.
Put differently, there must be "other" ICT stakeholders government is engaging and we may need to be told so that we also "vuka"/go there accordingly :-).
walu.
-------------------------------------------- On Thu, 11/20/14, Ali Hussein via isoc <[email protected]> wrote:
Subject: [isoc_ke] Telecoms regulator seeks powers to spy on consumers - Another case of Silly Season or should we be concerned? To: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <[email protected]>, [email protected] Date: Thursday, November 20, 2014, 4:00 AM
ListersApologies for cross-posting.Kenya’s telecommunication sector regulator is seeking fresh powers to spy on consumers that could see users of voice and data services lose their privacy to State and security agencies without their knowledge.Read on:-http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Telecoms-regulator-seeks-f... Hussein +254 770 906375 / 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassimSkype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassimBlog: www.alyhussein.com
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Thnx Mose, I actually saw these clauses and that is why I said they are the "closest" to the authors article. However, an article title "Telecoms regulator seeks powers to spy on consumers" does NOT exactly fit these two clauses. Most Acts around the world, that relate to "Data Protection Act", "Cybercrime Act" or "Freedom of Information Act" do have provisions for the Regulator/Government Agency to appoint Auditors to inspect Licensee's premise or operations. This is NOT exactly "spying on the consumers" but providing assurance that what the Operators/licensees are submitting annually to the Regulator is actually true. Regulations that "Spy on Consumers" exist, and they explicitly instruct the operators to install and operate surveillance equipment that reports back to the Regulator or Government agency. That is a totally different game plan that would attract serious interest. Perhaps this is on the table and hence the need to really have the specific document and/or clauses come out. walu. nb: free advise though - Government may wish to use the word "Auditor" rather than "Inspector". The term inspector tends to attract un-intended connotations. -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 11/20/14, Mose Karanja <[email protected]> wrote: Subject: Re: [kictanet] [isoc_ke] Telecoms regulator seeks powers to spy on consumers - Another case of Silly Season or should we be concerned? To: "Walubengo J" <[email protected]> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, November 20, 2014, 4:29 PM Check the following clauses in the Draft Compliance and Enforcement Regulations part on the link. (3) An inspector may at all reasonable times enter into any premises owned or controlled by a licensee in which the inspector has reasonable grounds to believe that has any document, information, or apparatus relevant for ensuring compliance withthe Act or these Regulations and to examine such document, information or apparatus or remove the document, information or apparatus for examination or reproduction as the case may be. (4) Where an inspector has reason to believe that there is any communication equipment or interference causing apparatus, he may examine such equipment, apparatus, logs, books, reports, data, records, documents or other papers and remove such information, document, apparatus, or equipment for examination or reproduction. On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Walubengo J <[email protected]> wrote: @Mose, I had already shared your link http://ca.go.ke/index.php/public-consultations there are many regulations under "consultations". But I am unable to get the specific one that best relates to the authors(Okuttah) article. The closest one seem to be the one under Compliance and Enforcement Regulations where the regulator can post inspectors to operators/licensees site...but that still doesnt fit the story @ http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Telecoms-regulator-seeks-f... Maybe @Okuttah who is onlist should just email us the document if government side is unable so that the rest of us can be discussing something solid. walu. -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 11/20/14, Mose Karanja via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote: Subject: Re: [kictanet] [isoc_ke] Telecoms regulator seeks powers to spy on consumers - Another case of Silly Season or should we be concerned? To: [email protected] Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, November 20, 2014, 3:26 PM There is high probability the author of the piece on Business Daily was referring to the proposed amendments here to align CAK with KICA (Amendment) 2013. The public consultations are ongoing up to 15 Dec 2015. On 20 November 2014 14:23, Victor Kapiyo via isoc <[email protected]> wrote: Anyone with a copy of the proposals? Victor On 20 Nov 2014 13:10, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <[email protected]> wrote: @Walu That's why I asked whether its another case of Silly Season..:) On the issue of engagement on the list I don't think I need to add more. In fact I have on good authority that most of the stakeholders in government are on the list. What I can see is that maybe just may be the...the guys who do this sort of thing need to be empowered within certain parameters. Ali Hussein +254 770 906375 / 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassimSkype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassimBlog: www.alyhussein.com "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad On Nov 20, 2014, at 8:53 AM, Walubengo J <[email protected]> wrote: @Ali, Funny, I have not come across these proposed regulations - and I often consider myself to take more than a "pedestrian" interest in this sector. I have also checked the regulators site but dont see the specific proposals @ http://www.ca.go.ke/index.php/public-consultations Anyone with a copy of the contentious proposals? KBy the way, KICTAnet has a list of about 750 ICT individuals of diverse interest groups(Academia, Media, Technical, Operator, Consumer,etc). One begins to wonder if it is by design or otherwise, that the regulator, the ministry and other government agencies have in recent times conveniently chose to ignore sending (FREE) alerts on this forum. Put differently, there must be "other" ICT stakeholders government is engaging and we may need to be told so that we also "vuka"/go there accordingly :-). walu. -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 11/20/14, Ali Hussein via isoc <[email protected]> wrote: Subject: [isoc_ke] Telecoms regulator seeks powers to spy on consumers - Another case of Silly Season or should we be concerned? To: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <[email protected]>, [email protected] Date: Thursday, November 20, 2014, 4:00 AM ListersApologies for cross-posting.Kenya’s telecommunication sector regulator is seeking fresh powers to spy on consumers that could see users of voice and data services lose their privacy to State and security agencies without their knowledge.Read on:-http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Telecoms-regulator-seeks-f... Hussein +254 770 906375 / 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassimSkype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassimBlog: www.alyhussein.com "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ isoc mailing list [email protected] http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/vkapiyo%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ isoc mailing list [email protected] http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc -- Mose Karanja+254 724 162536 | @Mose_Karanja -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. Thn
From my understanding of the Information and Communications Act, intercepting of communications is explicitly forbidden. The only data that is recorded is what is provided at registration. Am I right on that? And also what data would be gathered? -- Mark. On 20 Nov 2014, at 16:30, "Mose Karanja via kictanet" <[email protected]> wrote:
Check the following clauses in the Draft Compliance and Enforcement Regulations part on the link.
(3) An inspector may at all reasonable times enter into any premises owned or controlled by a licensee in which the inspector has reasonable grounds to believe that has any document, information, or apparatus relevant for ensuring compliance withthe Act or these Regulations and to examine such document, information or apparatus or remove the document, information or apparatus for examination or reproduction as the case may be.
(4) Where an inspector has reason to believe that there is any communication equipment or interference causing apparatus, he may examine such equipment, apparatus, logs, books, reports, data, records, documents or other papers and remove such information, document, apparatus, or equipment for examination or reproduction.
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Walubengo J <[email protected]> wrote:
@Mose,
I had already shared your link http://ca.go.ke/index.php/public-consultations
there are many regulations under "consultations". But I am unable to get the specific one that best relates to the authors(Okuttah) article. The closest one seem to be the one under Compliance and Enforcement Regulations where the regulator can post inspectors to operators/licensees site...but that still doesnt fit the story @
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Telecoms-regulator-seeks-f...
Maybe @Okuttah who is onlist should just email us the document if government side is unable so that the rest of us can be discussing something solid.
walu. -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 11/20/14, Mose Karanja via kictanet <[email protected]> wrote:
Subject: Re: [kictanet] [isoc_ke] Telecoms regulator seeks powers to spy on consumers - Another case of Silly Season or should we be concerned? To: [email protected] Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, November 20, 2014, 3:26 PM
There is high probability the author of the piece on Business Daily was referring to the proposed amendments here to align CAK with KICA (Amendment) 2013. The public consultations are ongoing up to 15 Dec 2015. On 20 November 2014 14:23, Victor Kapiyo via isoc <[email protected]> wrote: Anyone with a copy of the proposals? Victor On 20 Nov 2014 13:10, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <[email protected]> wrote: @Walu That's why I asked whether its another case of Silly Season..:) On the issue of engagement on the list I don't think I need to add more. In fact I have on good authority that most of the stakeholders in government are on the list. What I can see is that maybe just may be the...the guys who do this sort of thing need to be empowered within certain parameters.
Ali Hussein +254 770 906375 / 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassimSkype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassimBlog: www.alyhussein.com
"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad On Nov 20, 2014, at 8:53 AM, Walubengo J <[email protected]> wrote:
@Ali,
Funny, I have not come across these proposed regulations - and I often consider myself to take more than a "pedestrian" interest in this sector. I have also checked the regulators site but dont see the specific proposals
@ http://www.ca.go.ke/index.php/public-consultations
Anyone with a copy of the contentious proposals?
KBy the way, KICTAnet has a list of about 750 ICT individuals of diverse interest groups(Academia, Media, Technical, Operator, Consumer,etc). One begins to wonder if it is by design or otherwise, that the regulator, the ministry and other government agencies have in recent times conveniently chose to ignore sending (FREE) alerts on this forum.
Put differently, there must be "other" ICT stakeholders government is engaging and we may need to be told so that we also "vuka"/go there accordingly :-).
walu.
-------------------------------------------- On Thu, 11/20/14, Ali Hussein via isoc <[email protected]> wrote:
Subject: [isoc_ke] Telecoms regulator seeks powers to spy on consumers - Another case of Silly Season or should we be concerned? To: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <[email protected]>, [email protected] Date: Thursday, November 20, 2014, 4:00 AM
ListersApologies for cross-posting.Kenya’s telecommunication sector regulator is seeking fresh powers to spy on consumers that could see users of voice and data services lose their privacy to State and security agencies without their knowledge.Read on:-http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Telecoms-regulator-seeks-f... Hussein +254 770 906375 / 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassimSkype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassimBlog: www.alyhussein.com
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KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
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Ali Hussein -
Mark Kipyegon -
Mose Karanja -
Victor Kapiyo -
Walubengo J