Re: [kictanet] Nothing like free dinner
One could easily get into (registered for) an ICANN session by providing a Business Card. That said, how do college students get in when ICANN attendants are required to produce Job ID cards? What about unemployed techies or technocrats seeking to learn more about Internet Governance but are not Tech Entreprenuers? Must say the Kenya IGF meeting really opened my mind as to how the Internet Community thinks & functions. -----Original Message----- From: waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 18:02 To: murigi.muraya@gmail.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Nothing like free dinner Hi all - after attending this ICANN meetings for some years I can add that those who want to make contributions and influence the decision makers have both the formal sessions and the informal social functions. The social functions are justa as important to get close one-on-one with the decision makers. For example at yesterday's cross-constituency (free) breakfast with the ICANN Board the 5 Kenyans who were present were requested to make addresses and Evelyn Rono, Robert Yawe, Doris Ofisi, Anthony Karanja and Harry Hare made full use of the opportunity to make impressive points directly to the Board members. Waudo Since flew to Mombasa On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 01:29 -0800, "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: Wamuyu, I want to believe you and Tim are both right about Kenyan involvement in the ICANN process. You could be right in that very few KENYAN voices are being heard and this could be because for most Kenyans this is their 1st ICANN Meeting - and one must learn their environment before engaging their mouths. However, Tim is also right in that the ICANN meeting has many parallel programs (away from the main hall) that are technical and very engaging. I have found many Kenyans enjoying their time in these other forums that are equally important but less visible (glamorous?) That said, it may be good that next time(maybe it was done), the core Kenyan team (KENIC, CCK, Gov?) would elicit Kenyan positions on various issues and strategically plant some Kenyans in the "crowd" to present those views when the ICANN board/councils open the floor for discussions. Methinks that that is what other countries, business communities and other stakeholders do. Like today I was shocked to hear a verbal submission from the guys who want to run something called the dot.gay domain...Needless to say I couldnt contribute because I was simply undergoing some cultural-shock just by staring at THIS guy and not hearing what he was saying (but that's a story for another day ;-) Yeah, looks like the internet is not just about wires and cables... walu. walu. --- On Wed, 3/10/10, Wamuyu Gatheru <wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: Wamuyu Gatheru <wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Nothing like free dinner To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 12:41 PM Tim, please substantiate. Yesterday I was at the county code NSO meeting, than later at the commercial actors meeting and finally at the GAC/ICANN board meetings. No Kenyan spoke at the first two meetings (if they were present). Alice and Michael (CCK) made an important intervention on the distraction and unfairness to Kenya of the security hollabalu - but no one else was around to support them in defending Kenya. Note also that this was the meeting where the ICANN board was trying once more to conclude the EOI issue on generic TLDs - businesses from developed countries can barely wait for this decision to be made. Actually, I think the weak Kenyan engagement is genuine and not one that we should necessarily be defensive about. Am new to ICANN and if I had not made the decision to attend the meeting a little while ago, I would never have understood its agenda and whats at stake. Those who have been involved in ICANN longer may have points to contribute on increasing Kenya's involvement. regards, Wamuyu From: McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> To: Wamuyu Gatheru <wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, 9 March, 2010 23:30:56 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Nothing like free dinner On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Wamuyu Gatheru <wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
nothing to do with Kenya. There must be good reasons why European, American, Asian and Australian businesspeople and their governments have hyper involvement while their Kenyan hosts are minding their shugulis...?
Are we attending different meetings? I've been in a dozen meetings, and their have always been Kenyans in each one, many of them actively participating. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: jwalu@yahoo.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: emailsignet@mailcan.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/emailsignet%40mailcan.c...
hi, On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 8:36 PM, S.Murigi Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com>wrote:
One could easily get into (registered for) an ICANN session by providing a Business Card. That said, how do college students get in when ICANN attendants are required to produce Job ID cards?
I was not required to produce such a document (but I pre-registered).
What about unemployed techies or technocrats seeking to learn more about Internet Governance but are not Tech Entreprenuers?
I am an unemployed techie, and I sat next to an unemployed Kenyan techie at the SSAC mtg, so obviously we are able to attend. As many (if not most) of the attendees ARE technocrats they are also obviously able to get in.
Must say the Kenya IGF meeting really opened my mind as to how the Internet Community thinks & functions.
How so? -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
Was not pre-registered. Technocrats must have been pre-registered or they provided Job ID cards. The Kenyan yuppies at the registration desk are probably nicer to non Africans. They were not hostile though. Will just spare them another visit without the docs they required ... The Kenya & EA-IGF meets opened my mind to the 'bottom up' way of doing things. Understood then that the internet is 'owned' by local & regional communities on the ground that show up for these meets to participate in decision making. On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 12:22 AM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
hi,
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 8:36 PM, S.Murigi Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com>wrote:
One could easily get into (registered for) an ICANN session by providing a Business Card. That said, how do college students get in when ICANN attendants are required to produce Job ID cards?
I was not required to produce such a document (but I pre-registered).
What about unemployed techies or technocrats seeking to learn more about Internet Governance but are not Tech Entreprenuers?
I am an unemployed techie, and I sat next to an unemployed Kenyan techie at the SSAC mtg, so obviously we are able to attend.
As many (if not most) of the attendees ARE technocrats they are also obviously able to get in.
Must say the Kenya IGF meeting really opened my mind as to how the Internet Community thinks & functions.
How so?
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
Hi, On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 12:27 PM, S.Murigi Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com> wrote:
Was not pre-registered. Technocrats must have been pre-registered or they provided Job ID cards.
The Kenyan yuppies at the registration desk are probably nicer to non Africans. They were not hostile though.
Will just spare them another visit without the docs they required ...
The Kenya & EA-IGF meets opened my mind to the 'bottom up' way of doing things.
but those are discussion and capacity builkding ONLY.
Understood then that the internet is 'owned' by local & regional communities on the ground that show up for these meets to participate in decision making.
In part this is true, however there is scope for individual participation, particualrly on mailing lists of the ICANN processes. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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